Real Kyper & Bourne - Canadian Contenders

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start the second hour by checking in on some of the Martin Luther King Jr. Day matinee games across the league today. They welcome in Sportsnet's Garry Galley (5:23), who chats Nathan McKinnon's case for Hart, the Canadiens' size deficiency, Canada's cup contenders and whether old-school coaching tactics still work. Later, news and notes - Terry Ryan checks in on emergency basis for the Newfoundland Growlers on his 47th birthday, Patrick Kane exits early on Sunday and the Senators demote their goalie coach.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome back into the real kipper and born show this is the national edition of our program nick kiprios justin born sammy mckee derrick brandeo general nick all here in the next hour once again let's acknowledge our friend south of the border, Martin Luther King Jr. Day, which meant afternoon games, including one played by the Vancouver Canucks, losing in a shootout. This game finished, I think, when we just started. But the final score, 4-3, because Vancouver can't win them all.

Well, pretty close, but they had a rough ride, right? They were from Buffalo. They sent their gear to Toronto. They stayed here, I think, and then went to Columbus. They've had a bit of a runaround. Maybe if they had Quinn Hughes at center, they would have won. I forgot about that.

Well, wherever you are, Sportsnet. Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver. Sportsnet 960 in Calgary. We're glad you're aboard this hour of Real Kipper and Born, brought to you by Bet365. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Gary Gally, former NHLer, Sportsnet Hockey Night in Canada, as he is in Montreal teeing up the Colorado Avalanche

and the Montreal Canadiens. General Manager Kent Hughes also met the media today. We'll talk about that in our news and notes. But six games completed, Sammy, up until now? Or we still have a few in progress? I think L.A. Five done. Five done.

L.A. and Carolina are playing right now, and it's 1-1. The Sabres beat the Sharks. Boston beat the Devils. CBJ got past Vancouver. I'm doing a scoreboard here. And I beat Florida, and Pittsburgh beat Seattle. Florida was up 4-2 and ended up losing 5-4. Just call me the Raj, baby.

I'm doing a scoreboard. And how are Buffalo Bills doing? By the time someone shovels and finds their seat, this game could be over. I mean, what a workout to get to your seat. Still 7-10, so there you go. But you mentioned McKinnon playing on Monday Night Hockey tonight in Colorado. Guys, he is an absolute animal.

He is. At this point of the season, I would vote for him for the Hartrope. He is so, so dominant. I think he only ended up with a golden assist in that game against the Leafs. But watching him play, I talked about this on Leafs Talk a little bit, just made me less worried about best on best. People are like, oh, Canada, America wins one world juniors. They're like, we're the best now.

And it's like, you don't have that. David McKinnon. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, he's not even our best guy. And he's unbelievable. Yeah. He really, like, he pulls the game. He has such a gravity.

It's just like, he's so fast. He's so big and strong. So passionate. What a player. Saturday night, the Leafs jump to a 3-0 lead. And I can only imagine what that dressing room intermission was like for that team. And I appreciate Jared Bednar as a good coach, a Stanley Cup champion coach. but Nate McKinnon in that room would have had a bigger impact on the next 40 minutes than their head coach that guy is the most intense guy out there Connor's up there Connor's a little sleepier in terms of people understanding how intense nate mckinnon is

but he leads the charge on guys teammates maybe being yeah nervous around him you remember the chickpea pasta thing guys were like this guy's nuts nuts love that nuts but but it works like there's no question he the impact he had you can't address you can't teach what he has in terms of that just internal i don't know what it is it's a intensity nastiness there's just something about him that's just quintessentially canadian hockey that's what it is it's just he just he's what it is. I watch him play and I'm just so blown away. And then you watch his, he may not even be the best Canadian on his team. Like, Keel McCart is the puck on the stick

the whole game. It's, those two together are incredible. It is January 15th. In the month of January, the Avalanche have beat the Islanders, the Dallas Stars, the Boston Bruins, the Vegas Golden Knights, and the Toronto Maple Leafs this month. Yeah, pretty good. Love them.

And just an overall threat to score, to pass, separation speed, like, there's nothing that this guy cannot do with power and intensity that even exceeds Connor McDavid

when it comes to sheer power. Yeah, if you go to the NHL's edge data, do speed bursts, whether by 22-plus miles per hour or 20-plus miles per hour, he has the most 2-to-1 over McDavid. He's first in the league in every department. Really? Yeah. He's the fastest guy in the league consistently.

Wow, that surprises me. Who gets to talk about him tonight is Gary Gally, former NHL or color analyst with Sportsnet Hockey Night in Canada. He's getting ready for the big guy, Nate the Dog, against the Montreal Canadiens. Gals, how are you, man? Thanks for joining us. Doing great, guys.

Happy New Year. Okay, so where do we put Nateate uh you know this season so far when it comes to the impact he's had for his club if he's if he's not leading an mvp voting in your mind up until this point like how close is he i would think right now a lot of people have him as the Hart Trophy winner at this juncture of the season. Of course, there's half a season left to go here, but he has been incredible. I mean, I think by definition of the Hart Trophy, the most valuable to his team, I think he would fit that.

I think most valuable in the league, period. I think you'd have to look at him in the top one or two players there. So I think he's had a fantastic year. I think that it's, I guess to say that it's not surprising me because he doesn't play, he's more of a straightforward player. He's a bit of a bull, but he's not a bull in a china shop like somebody who's just rambling around, a big guy banging around. This guy's got some incredible skill sets.

His 0-60 is so quick and he's powerful. And because of all those attributes that he has, he's a tough guy to contain. And he also has the ability to be the flavor of the moment. He can get it done like in Toronto the other night. He can turn it up very quickly. And this is a team that never feels like they're out of a game. They've got so many game breakers on this team. And I remember having a conversation with Sidney Crosby a few years back,

and we were talking about teams that, you know, we thought might be vying for a Stanley Cup that year and teams that were good in the league. And when I mentioned a couple of teams, the one thing he would say to me was, I don't think they've got enough game breakers there. And I a couple teams the one thing he would say to me was i don't think they got enough game breakers there and i think that's the one thing that sometimes we we forget that how big a game breakers if you have a quite a few game breakers on your team then you're a tough team to play against because it's a 60 minute game all the

time because if you let down for a split second a team like colorado i mean they can dial you in like they did to the leafs the other night g Gary, so you're calling that game with Colorado and Montreal. Montreal, I think, had a press conference today, sort of a halfway through the season checkpoint. Where are the Canadians at at this point? What can we expect from them? We haven't talked about them a whole lot on our show this season because they haven't been as competitive.

What are your thoughts on the Habs? You know, I think we're seeing exactly what we thought we were going to see. I mean, this is a team that's, they're not going to give up. They're going to play hard. They're going to let the losses go. They're not going to let losses fester or a combination of losses fester. I think Marty St. Louis has kind of become the guy that has calmed his team down to, okay, keep moving forward, keep moving forward,

keep getting better. I think he's asking for more, but I think he also knows the limitations of his hockey club. So, you know, I think a lot of people were down on Slavkovsky for quite a while. They thought maybe this guy should go down. What does he do?

He moves him onto the top line, you know, with Caulfield and suzuki and says oh we're gonna let the kid play here for a while and he hasn't looked bad on there he hasn't produced as much but you know what no one on that team's producing and that is the biggest problem they have is they just can't seem to score enough goals i mean as of late especially you know they're just not putting the you know the puck in the net and when you leave yourself with not scoring a lot of goals and you've got to win 2-1 hockey games and 3-2 hockey games,

those are difficult to do. And like I said earlier about game breakers, they don't have a ton of game breakers. And a guy like Caulfield, who is a game breaker, his shooting percentage has dropped about 4% or 5%. So he is not scoring at the rate that he was scoring at or should be scoring at for the amount of chances that he gets. So I think a few things change, and shooting percentages go up,

and goaltending even gets a bit better. I don't think the goaltending has been bad here, but three goalies rotating I don't think is a great thing in my opinion. But I just think the scoring has been a big issue for Montreal, and that's not going to, I don't think, going to get a lot better as the season moves along. We're talking to Gary Gally, color analyst for Sportsnet Hockey Night in Canada.

Gals, when it comes to the Montreal Canadiens, I know they got Josh Anderson, but do they need to get bigger? Well, they're going to be small. I mean, you look at the New jersey devils right i mean that's a lot of their star players are smaller size players and it's been proven in marty san luis the guy behind their bench is living proof of it is that you can play a lot bigger than your size and if you're a durable player and you're and you and you're productive player it really doesn't matter how big you are but um i think that a lot of people would tell

you that when you get into the heart of playoff hockey and you get down to the to the you know the top four teams that are battling it out for the stanley cup you know they're big heavy strong teams that play heavy uh they're hard to get through uh you know neutral zones get you know battle zones and and get won and lost and And sometimes size is a factor in those things. To me, it's always been the attitude of the player more than the size of the player. Some players aren't big, but their attitude is they think they're six foot five

and they go into every area battling. And like I said, Marty St. Louis is one of those guys where I don't think he uses size as a reference to what he thinks or how a player is going to play. But, you know, I do think the Montrealadians uh would like to get a bit bigger i would think that every team wants to have big players who can skate uh we all know that if you have a good size team and that team's got some good motion in it they're a difficult team to contain so uh i do think that i agree with you i think they could use to get bigger, but I know that I watched the New Jersey Devils last year,

and they had a real solid year, and they're not a big team, but they are struggling a bit this year, and that could possibly be for a lot of reasons, but I do believe that a bit of size could help. Gals, the other day we did a show, and at that time the top teams in the nhl were vancouver and winnipeg which you know i don't know that going into the season even their own fans would have called them top five or top 10 teams where are these good canadian teams and i include

edmonton and toronto in that little bit too where do they stand among the league's best do we have some legitimate stanley cup contenders in the nhl this year amazing isn't it like i certainly didn't have vancouver uh and winnipeg in the mix the where they are now uh you know i i didn't think they weren't going to make the playoffs or they're going to be out of it by any means but i didn't see them having this kind of success i mean you gotta give you know tip your hat to rick talkcket and the vancouver canucks management and the players for buying in like you know oftentimes you talk about you know what john torrell has done in philadelphia what rick has done in vancouver but you have to tip your hat to the players because you know when a coach comes in that that you know is strong and

what they're trying to to push to their team and get their team to play a certain style and tell their team that you think you're playing up to your potential, but you're not. There's more there to give, and you're going to give it. You know, the team has to buy into that, too. And I think both teams, and Vancouver especially, has bought into that. They thought they were playing good hockey, or they thought they were giving it everything they had, but there was more in the jar and rick talk and has pulled it out and man they've made some really good decisions in the offseason acquiring uh players that have made a difference in their lineup and i think the vancouver canucks uh and the winnipeg jets are are in a good position uh heading down the the second half of

the season to position themselves well in the playoffs. And, you know, when the playoffs start, you guys, anything can happen. I mean, we've seen eight-seeded teams get to the finals, and we've seen top-seeded teams get punted early, right? So we certainly understand the playoffs is a strange animal. But you've got to get into the playoffs, which is a tough thing to do. Both of them are sitting good. Remember last year, Winnipeg, they were on fire. They were really challenging to win the division,

and then all of a sudden the bottom fell out of it, and everything just fell apart there in Winnipeg. I don't know what really was the cause of all of it. There seemed to be some internal stuff going on there. Maybe they've straightened all those things out, and a team that looks like they took things away got better, which is kind of crazy. For the Vancouver

Canucks, they had all the pieces, but the pieces weren't gelling together and playing up to their capabilities. So both teams have found a way in different kind of avenues to make their teams better and make them more productive and make them harder teams to play against.

I think it's shown up in the win columns, and it's really nice to see. We always talk about Edmonton and Toronto for good reason. The players on those teams and the production that the players put forward on those teams, they're sexy kind of sports cars. All of a sudden, Winnipeg and Vancouver kind of snuck up on everybody, but it's really good to see uh some canadian teams uh growing like that i'd say it's good sign and hopefully continued success for both those teams gary when we look at a rick tocket or a tortorella there is a lot of people thinking that this old school mentality is done. The kids can't respond to it at all. They'll just want in one ear, out the other.

And, you know, you think about Rick Bone is tearing a strip off the Winnipeg Jets at the end of the year and just saying the tough things that need, at the time, had to be said, at least from his perspective. And now you've got Craig Berube out there. I mean, does that make it an attraction?

Is what was old new again with these types of coaches and their styles still working in 2024? I think there's a place for everything. And I do believe a lot of people sometimes think that the coaches are a bit off the charts more than what they really are. I mean, I played for Torts before in Buffalo, and he was an assistant coach there. I know head coach is different, but I got to know him really well.

I know that he really, you know, respects his players, but he pushes them hard. Rick Tockett, same thing. I played with Rick as a player. I know Rick really well. I mean, he loves his players, but he's going to push them hard. And all the player wants to do is be honest. He wants everyone to be honest with him.

He wants to be treated fairly. He wants everyone to be treated the same. And we all know in this game, not everyone is treated the same. You know, your star players can treat a little bit different than your understudies. But at the end of the day, your star players can treat a little bit different than your understudies. But at the end of the day, if a coach can find a way to compress that, which is make the weakest link on your team and the best player on your team,

if you can compress that and make that seem like it's a lot tighter, then the bottom guy feels more important and the top guy respects the bottom guy and then everything runs better that way. I mean, I played teams in boston with the bruins for years like that and and and had a lot of success so the success comes in the you know and how your team looks at itself and how they respect one another as a pieces of a team and accept their roles and move along so it all different coaches can can can get that to happen within their structure of their organization.

Some coaches do it differently. Some are more quieter. Some are more, you know, exuberant. Rick Bonas, I mean, who would have thought Rick Bonas would have come out and said the kind of things that he said? I've known Rick a long, long time. Very respected guy in the league. For him to come out and say those things,

you had to know that it had been bothering him for a while and that he'd seen this show before. And even though they got through a round or this and that, he wasn't going to accept it. He wasn't going to let it lie like that. He wanted his players to know that it wasn't enough. It wasn't good enough. And you look at them this year.

They show back up. They made a few changes to that team. And they know what the coach expects. And they know what they have to accomplish. And now they're going after it. I think the Hellebuck, you know, resigning and Shifley resigning, I think made a – that was a big, big, you know, thing for that organization and those players in that team that those guys chose to stay

and be a part of it and chose to stay knowing Rick was there because they really trusted them. And you know what? He'll stand up for his team and any coach that stands up for his team. And I think Talkett and I think Tortorella and guys like that, they stand up for their team. They're right there for them. And I think the players know that.

Sometimes it gets a bit off the rails, and i think the players know that uh sometimes it gets a bit off the rails but i think uh the players can handle that and if you're a guy that goes on the ice and does your job every night then you have little to worry about uh it's when you try to cut corners that's when those guys will be in your grill guys i want to get your sense about you know overreaction over the course of an 82-game hockey season. In the first hour, for those people who didn't hear, we talked about the Maple Leafs and talked about Sheldon Keefe. You know, the team has lost.

They've blown leads in three straight games, and here in Toronto, it's always like, okay, fire the coach. And, you know, it sounds like overreaction, right? Sometimes things go well, sometimes they don't. But you also run the risk, if you call it overreaction, of being inactive and and maybe missing an opportunity for change do you think you're better off

to be too patient or to be too involved you know where do you fall in the spectrum i look at edmonton who overreacted but boy they've been very good since and maybe they made the right call there yeah you know and maybe a team with that good of players on it and with the guys like dry subtle and mcdavid at some point we're going to click their heels and it was going to take off anyway who knows right but but you got to look at it and say they made the change things turned around fantastic you look great um you know i look at the game the toronto game and i know a lot of people are saying oh they blow another lead but there's a difference to me in blowing a 4-2 lead or a 5-1 lead as opposed to blowing a 2-0 lead to like you know I think 2-0 is still a game that's you know well in striking distance and yes

it's a blown lead uh but I don't know I look at it a little differently in some cases if you're going to win a game 2-1 or 3-2 and you blow a lead in there somewhere you know the other team uh you know has good players they're going to score goals mistakes are going to be made unfortunate mishap with the broken stick with with riley i think sheldon keeps doing the right thing he's trying to calm it down saying look yeah i understand it was a bully but you got to look at some of the things that happen these things happen over an 82 game schedule and you know let's not make a mountain out of a molehill but i think everybody's looking at the bigger picture saying these are a lot of blown leads and you can try to downplay it all you want but it's another blown lead and it's a team that if we think is a stanley cup you know uh you know

top six or eight team that can buy for a stan Cup, you can't go around, you know, blowing leads in games. It just, you're just not going to win that way. And I think it just speaks more volumes to that. This team, although extremely talented in a lot of areas, is still inept in other areas, you know, and they're fragile in other areas. And I think those keep creeping up. And, you know, there's always overreaction knee-jerk

reactions you can imagine what's going on in dallas today i mean there's knee-jerk reactions all the time i always find it's the cooler head that prevails and takes a deep breath and doesn't make the decision right away but may make the decision uh eventually anyway but takes more time to think about it it's like that minor hockey saying right the 24-hour rule you know something happens just wait 24 hours i used to tell the parents on my team that i coached for 10 years of minor hockey just give it the night before you come talk to me and if you're still upset the next morning and you feel like it's something you want to talk to me about then absolutely call me or come see me or whatever. But usually after 24 hours, you just settle down and everything kind of straightens itself

out. But, you know, I still think the Toronto Maple Leafs are a very good hockey team. And I still think that they're still a year or two away from maybe getting some of the pieces and getting a system in place that actually helps them, you know, play with leads and helps them to protect leads and helps them to, you know, to be a little more, I think, a little more responsible when they have the lead. I think that's the other thing too, you know, is being responsible

when you have the lead, playing the score, you know, knowing the team you're playing against. I think sometimes they just more worry about themselves. And I know people say, well, don't worry about the other team. Worry about yourselves. But I think you do have to pay attention to the small details of your opponent and what you have to do in order to defeat your opponent. And I think sometimes that maybe goes by the wayside a little bit.

Yeah, and just to add to that, Giles, before we let you go, I mean, a term that we've often used in an NHL dressing room is locking it down. So does that speak now when it comes to blown leads more of a psychological thing between your ears or a tactical thing? You have to have the confidence that you're tactically sound in order to handle that. I mean, every team is going to blow a lead in a game and some teams blow more than others. I think a lot of it comes down to how strong mentally you are

and how, you know, like when a goal gets scored, how does it affect your team? You know, really good teams just blow those off. Okay, it's a goal, it happened. It doesn't matter whether it was a fluky goal or the goalie made him, should have had it. It doesn't matter whether Riley's stick broke.y goal or the goalie made him should have had it. It doesn't matter whether Riley's stick broke. Nothing matters.

It's just a goal against. It's no big deal. That's it. You just turn the page and you go back to what you do best. You go back to your system. You go back to playing the way you're supposed to play. And the teams that play like that over the years have the most success. They don't get caught up in, you know, the ups and downs of the game.

They stay, you know, very straight line. They just keep bringing the same type of game over, over, over again. And over the course of a season, they're going to have success that way. It's when your, you know, your mood swings are, so to speak, or your anxiety is going up and down all the time. That leaves room for, you know for multiple goals being scored on you, and then now you're really second-guessing yourself, and then you're trying not to lose the game

as opposed to just keep playing to win the game. And that saying's been around as long as you and I have been around, but it happens a lot. I mean, look to the Ottawa Senators. I mean, that's a team that could be playing incredible, outplaying a team for half a game, and then the second half of the game, a couple of goals get scored on them, and it's like they don't even resemble the same team anymore.

Everyone just goes into their own little cocoon trying to figure out what they can do, and the team stops functioning as a team. You know, I think the teams that get scored on and just let it go and move along, get right back to business, are the successful teams in the National Hockey League. Oh, I know one thing before I let you go I wanted to ask you, and we watched Jake McCabe a couple times this weekend.

He had a bit of a tough weekend. But leaving your feet as a defenseman, you played, what, almost 1,200 games. What goes through a D's mind on a last resort, whether or not to leave their feet or not? Is that changed over the years, or is it just strictly intuitive of a last-second desperate play? You know what? There's a lot of things that go in in a split second

when a defenseman makes a decision like that. There's a lot of things that go in in a split second when a defenseman makes a decision like that there's a lot of things running through your mind i was really fortunate when i broke into the national hockey league in 84 uh i played with brian englund and brian englund was unbelievable he had you know and it's about sliding on the 45 it's about keeping your stick still in play it's about the timing of the slide um you know the player that you're that is coming down you have to have an you know is this guy uh capable of you know you know picking up what you're doing jamming on the brakes and making a real good play you know how tight can you get into him so that the puck can't be saucered over you or it can't

you know there's a lot of things that can come into it it's hard to explain the feeling that you have when you're going back to two-on-one it's happened quickly uh there's a breakdown you're taking it down the ice and you get to a point where you feel like if you slide and you extend your stick out that you're going to take away more of the ice it's like when you watch watch the five on three penalty kill and the defenseman almost lies down because it's hard to saucer a puck over a body and have it land on the other guy's stick. And then your goalie, of course, now is coming across following it. It makes it more difficult. You make the player with the puck have to make a real good play,

but your slide has to be timed well. And there are guys that do it very, very well. And there are guys that don't do it a lot. And when they do it, sometimes it doesn't look really good. And sometimes that can happen. But even though you slide, to me, sliding on that 45 means you're still moving towards your net at some point. Your feet are moving towards your net. And you're still going towards the puck carrier at the same time.

And that's taking away time and space as you're sliding. And it also keeps you moving towards the net so that he can't go around you and find a lane behind you. So those are important things when you're sliding. But yeah, leaving your feet. Pat Quinn used to hate it. He used to tell defensemen to stay on their feet, stay on their feet. But I think more and more defensemen over the years has developed that they feel like the slide

is advantageous, and I personally agree there is a right time for it. Great stuff, as always. Have a great call on Rogers Monday Night Hockey. It's the Montreal Canadiens, Colorado, Gary Gally. Thanks, pal. Alright, thanks, guys. Thanks, gals. Appreciate it.

Great stuff, as always. I mean, him, guys. Thanks, gals. Appreciate it. Great stuff, as always. I love him. I mean, him, Adam Oates. You got guys with 11, 12, 1,300 games. I mean, listening to him. I could listen to him talk about the slide. Yeah. I mean, it is fascinating because there is a real art to it,

aside from Kamikaze. Yeah, not the one that McCabe did. Listen, he's trying passionate um just update on the bills they are up 14 nothing but the pittsburgh sealers are driving to uh make it a 14-7 game they're in the red zone so all right uh it's game time presented by bet 365 visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary. At Bet365, must be 19 plus. Ontario only. Please play responsibly.

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I just want to say I'm over got that dog in him as a phrase. I love that. It's just well-being. I'm done now. But yes, it has been effective. It had a good run. Unfortunately, Borny, you don't have that dog in you. I don't.

No. All right. Quick break here. When we return, we'll get into some news and notes around the National Hockey League, including a 47-year-old. That's the ECHL, bud. That isn't the NHL. No. I didn'tCHL, bud. That isn't the NHL. No.

I didn't say the NHL. You said around the NHL. That's the ECHL. Yeah, we're around all the leagues. It's right around the corner. Hey, don't let the truth get in the way of a good lead-in after the break. Sammy, your producer. What else have we got we got uh pat kane lost last night for the remainder of the leaf game we'll give it a bit of an update there and is it true the ottawa

senators sent their goalie coach to the minors basically yeah oh i can't talk about talk about this all right more real kipper and born after these words breaking down the top stories in the nhl every day the jazz marriage show subscribe and download the show on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts All right, going to break, we're talking about Gary Ryan on his 47th birthday. Yeah. Decides to play a pro hockey game. Shout out TR. Who doesn't love him?

God, just a hockey legend, honestly. I will say right now, unabashed, I adore this man. Yeah. Big fan. I think he's nuts. Mostly because of his wonderful portrayal as Ted Hitchcock in one of my favorite shows, Shorzy. He's excellent in that.

Kind of playing kind of himself. Just a little bit more of an exaggerated version of himself. He's been a great ambassador for the game for Newfoundland. He's the heart of a hockey player fought in the game yeah it's incredible and he wasn't there to mess around to me that's a that would be a little bit too risky for me i mean i don't want to like you can't play in a pro hockey game you could get seriously hurt yeah good on him, man. He ended up at the bottom of the pile from what I saw,

but does it really matter? Chucked a couple at age 47. Do you want to hear? We got a clip in there, Derek. About a minute and 20 seconds. He got asked about how this all came to be. Do you want to hear him talk about it at 18? Let her rip. All right, let's go.

Growlers forward, Terry Ryan. So, Terry, playing your first game in an awful long time. We'll get into the game itself. First, just kind of tell us the story of the last couple of days and how this all came to be. Who called who? Where were you? Give us the whole nine yards here.

I was celebrating my birthday, which is today, but I figured Saturday night was better than Sunday. I came to watch this game yesterday because, well, I watch a lot of Growlers games, but some of the guys on that team are my best buddies, right? We go back a long time. Zach, Jordy, Marcus, you know, geez, Adam Dawe, Meller. So, now again, I still didn't see this coming. I was out.

I was literally sitting at Blue on Water. My buddy Jason breakskes Place went down. And to be quite honest with you, I never said it before, but I was probably five or six pints in, and Zach calls me, and I said, well, come on, my birthday, whatever, April Fool's, click. And then Pard's phoned. And I knew when Pard's phoned, it's serious.

I said, you tell me right now, because I'll go home. And I did. Pard said, I'm serious. I hailed you tell me right now because I'll go home. And I did. Parrot said, I'm serious. I hailed a cab, went home. I'd say I drank four liters of water, had a bite to eat, and just, I went to sleep. Tried to, it was broken sleep, very excited. And woke up and it was a reality.

There you go. If you, okay, the Newfoundland Growlers uploaded a 14-minute press conference of him talking about this. I mean, he tears up. It's emotional. It's beautiful. Like, it truly is. It's hard to explain how incredible.

I can't sit through a two-second TikTok, and I was locked in for 14 minutes listening to this guy talk. He's an unbelievable guy. And the Growlers have an affiliation with Toronto Maple Leafs. Call him up. Yes. He'd have fought after Matthews got crushed. He'd have done it.

Why not take a look at him? Give him a shot. Just send one scout to watch. Give him a shot anyway. Send the video. Yeah. Just have a look. So they've been having a lot of,

a bunch of people were sick. They had injury issues. And it's the coast. Like people get called up all the time. And sitting at the bar, five beers. Couldn't be a funnier way to get the call. This is the most.

47. That's the most Newfoundland thing I've ever heard. I've played an NHL game on multiple beers. The night before? No. Day of? Day of. What?

Oh, didn't you think you were? I was told I was a healthy scratch, only to find out that Keenan at the last second didn't want Mike Hudson playing, who was the extra in warm-up he wanted me. As the extra? As the extra. And Eddie Olchuk was as the extra as the extra and eddie old chuck was in a panic to find you a couple lunch beers yeah how'd it go game day lunch beers my first

shift i threw up all my chili i had chunks of chili in my ranger nhL jersey behind the bench. How is that not in a frame behind me, that jersey right now? How can we not have one Kipper jersey in here? Do you own any? Come on, man. You don't? I have them. Bring one in.

Please. Brian out loud. Please. Maybe down the road. You've said that four times already. Shout out to Mike Abbott, if we're closing on this, shout out to Mike Abbott, to Newfoundland Hockey

in general, to Terry Ryan. You didn't get hurt. Most important thing. And there's a play from the game where he had an excellent chance

to score. Like, the puck, he goes to the net, puck kind of skips over his stick like he was right in front. If he had a score,

that is just out of this world. But if you're listening, you have 15 minutes, I highly recommend go to the Growlers website or Twitter or whatever and watch him talk.

It's a beautiful, eloquent, beautiful hockey Canadian. It's just common, by the way, in the East Coast League that someone local from the area when you're out of guys who can play, and Terry can obviously play.

Love it. All right, where do you guys want to go? Pat Kane leaves the game last night. Elliot said it wasn't hip-related. play love it all right where do you guys want to go uh pat kane leaves the game last night elliot said it wasn't uh hip related uh someone mentioned me he may have kind of wrenched his back a little bit he got homebird got leaned on yeah i mean twice homebird pancaked him and then he uh kind of got tangled with him on the on the other end but there's still a great belief that this guy's gonna sign an extension there and he's not going anywhere it is too bad they didn't they didn't bring him in here

so he could just bounce around again by march no he's been really good for them so i'm not shocked that they would want to re-sign him but yeah multi-years would scare you a little bit given recent injury history speaking of contract okay go ahead jeremy swayman um oh yeah signed a contract we went to arbitration this summer with the boston bruins and what happened here sam he was asked about that well this stems from his the announcement that he will play in the all-star weekend here in toronto made the all-star team right and he made a reference towards arbitration if i'm not mistaken sammy yeah i'm just trying to dig it up here sorry um but he was basically saying that like the process was really hard on him and i've got it got it in front of you yeah my computer is frozen here he said uh it's really

special first and foremost it couldn't have happened without the team in front of you? Yeah. My computer is frozen here. He said, it's really special. First and foremost, it couldn't have happened without the team in front of me. Blah, blah, blah. But yeah, after dealing with what I did this summer with arbitration, hearing things that a player should never hear, it feels pretty special to be in this situation yeah he hadn't let that go people doing arbitration that sticks to some people's bones a little bit i know but it's been around forever and like you don't think you should say that their job in arbitration, the team's job is to convince a judge

why I don't want to pay you what you're asking. Right. Where do you think they're going to get their evidence to prove it? But if they didn't believe the things they were saying, they wouldn't take them to arbitration. They must believe them a bit. So now your team is saying a bunch of crap about you. Was there anyone in Toronto that went through this process

that could have affected their race? That struggled emotionally after that? Yeah. See, imagine I have to go listen to why Kip thinks I'm a crappy host before the season. Yeah. If there's one lesson that's starting to be learned, because he's not the first goalie to go down

this path samsonov i don't know if samsonov's publicly ever mentioned that he didn't like what he heard in arbitration you can't handle the truth they told him he can't play under pressure is what they told him whatever they said i don, I don't know if it came out publicly from Samsonov or it's just people around the story that are insinuating that he didn't like what he heard in arbitration and it's affected him. Right. So to be fair to Samsonov, I'm not sure he even led as much as we just heard from Swayman this week.

Do you think this will affect his likelihood of staying in Boston? Well, why bring it up if it may not? Like, I don't... The only thing I could start... Like, you're going to shatter the relationship? I think there's a bitterness there, 100%. I mean, he's an RFA this summer, and bitterness there 100 rfa this summer and they got all mark for this year and next yeah but contract but but all marks not the future this

guy's more the future than all mark you think they would how old's all my trade all mark how old's all mark 30 okay and what's swayman he's not close big difference shout out anchor jelaska while we're shouting out cool yeah like it's that five years tells you everything you need to know on which goalies should be 25 going to the all-star game they so but he's not letting go right now the only thing right now i'd suggest maybe to teams moving forward is if you want to take your number one goalie to arbitration uh be careful be careful they're sensitive they're orchids as a general part of the population i don't know i i think like i said it's been around forever like the boston bruins took ray bork to arbitration if i'm not mistaken,

and they did have some great things to say about him. Does the player not have the option to just plug their ears and go la-la-la-la-la during the whole process and just let them? Yes, I think they do. At what point did they take Ray Bork to arbitration? They're like, oh, man. He's 19 all-star teams. You only had 66 points in 65 games last year.

You got to jump it up. You're only plus 21. God, he had some absurd seasons, Ray Bork. Let's stay on goalies and talk about Ottawa. Okay. What's the deal, Sammy? My understanding is that they are 32nd in save percentage in the NHL, and Zach Bierk has been their goalie coach.

And I don't want to say he's been sent down, but he's been named a development coach now, which is kind of send-down-y. And Justin Peters is being named the goaltending coach. Okay. Can I stop you there? Please do. Okay.

It's not kind of been sent down. It's you're fired. But he didn't get fired. Yeah, yeah he did they just didn't announce it okay so they're like we're gonna pay you through the end of the year yeah you know how many times you're a scout now yeah you're a scout now yeah yeah you're not you're just home going home probably the end of the year that's year. That's how I read it. I don't know. That's how I'm telling you it's worked in the past with reassigning a GM, whatever.

We're still paying you. Yeah. Old Zach, he's going to be pretty sour at Corpus Allo. Thanks a lot, bud. Yeah. Hey, can you make a couple of kick saves? You can make five mil a year. He's the problem. Forsberg's out for a month now yeah yeah groin yeah something and he's not so now you're down

to Corpus Allo and Solgaard I think they they've got called up here but the uh Corpus Allo's been a disaster guys brutal signing well at least his contracts oh never mind what is it three more years yeah just double checking that it might be four more years yeah um hey sid two more goals four more years four more years yeah there's a five-year contract yes yeah this year plus four times five but that was five years times four that was oh okay okay that was pierre dorian signing was it not yes he's there now one way or to other sid sid two goals weekly our weekly sid three nothing final yeah against seattle yep ended their nine game losing uh winning streak the the seattle kraken pit is sniffing around the standings fellas i believe

they're a point out of the wild card spot now getting getting tight down there yeah they're one point behind detroit and tampa who by the way are uh two points behind toronto so things are real tight montreal kent Hughes had a mid-season, I guess, review with the media today. Anything come out of it? You mentioning their goalie situation? Yeah, he said that they may not trade any other goalies. Okay.

Which is... Yeah. Okay. We may not trade any of them, guys. We have three goalies and we're not good, and people want these goalies, so we'll not trade them. And we may not trade Monahan now, too. Yeah.

So this is all posturing from a GM looking to drive up prices, presumably, which is good GMing. I got news for you. They're up. Are they? Yes, they're up. For Jake Allen? Pieces are very, very expensive. I feel like that's the case this time of year

until, you know, it's the last week or so. But only desperate teams trade now. And there's a price for you being desperate. It's called overspending. But this is the stupid thing about teams. So let's say you for you being desperate. It's called overspending. But this is the stupid thing about teams. So let's say you wanted to do something. Like the price wasn't more a month ago, presumably. Like it's all kind of, there's a high price until prices start to go down.

So if you haven't made your move yet, my point is you should make moves in November and December when everyone yells at me and said, wait for the deadline. Anyway. Yeah, you're able to sell the extra time yeah where it's like you have them for x amount of time or whatever year yeah like when they did with the door off i guess when was that when they traded him early yeah early great trade yeah great for van the only way like all decent 17 to 22 minute defenseman that may be available out there they're all first round

picks right now plus really and david savard's gonna be oh yeah first rounder oh yeah the only question is can you sneak a first to a second by the trade deadline right And if it's a second, can a second be a third? That's all you're buying time for is to get that extra pick above the 32 that you may have to accept at the trade deadline. All right. A couple of quick things for me. Yes. Just checking in on our beloved Buffalo Bills.

They are now up 21-0 on the Pittsburgh Steelers. Josh Allen just ran one 52 yards to the house back in real Josh Allen. So who will the Bills play next? KC will go to Buffalo next week in the AFC Divisional Round. That sounds fun. That is as good as it gets. That's what we all deserve as football fans. This weekend, stonk.

Did I see a Bills fan jump off like a 15-foot snow? Yeah. Onto a flaming table. Not just a regular old table. On fire. Just a small little fire they had on it. That is quite the snow bank. It is.

Yeah. Other news, we got Val Nacushin going into the player assistance program for colorado i believe his maybe he had been there the year before i'm not sure but either way so well he had that episode didn't he in the playoffs right he'll be away for a little while for them um still no updates on cory perry doesn't sound like we have any news to report on that. Yeah, it just, again, for certain markets, this is going to be a very tough decision for him, his family, what market they want to go into, how many questions they want to answer. That's still very much in play from what I hear.

And Rick Bonas, Peter Laviolette, Montgomery, and Talkett are the all-star game coaches. Yeah, and they all get to have the input of Justin Bieber. And they can all lean on Biebs for strategy advice. Biebs, do you hear that? Yeah. I got it right this time. I am disgusted by the jerseys.

I can't believe that we're lowering ourselves to this. I just can't believe we're not over the 90s. So him and Matthews are in on this together. They're going to be... They're great. Yeah, they're partners. Just what we need. You're getting old.

Quick shout out to Andy McKee, my dad. Happy 69th birthday today, old man. Hey! He's an old trout. Happy birthday. Nice. There you go. Okay, and our thanks to Gary Gally

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