Real Kyper & Bourne - Canadian Teams' Trade Prospects

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with a look at the playoff picture in both conferences and which teams are getting the most desperate ahead of the deadline. They are joined by Garry Galley (6:13) to share his thoughts on Zach Hyman's unlikely transformation into a 50-goal scorer, whether the Flames should be selling and why teams outside of the playoff picture like the Senators would want to buy at the deadline. Finally, they regroup with Sam to discuss the strange vibes emerging between the Canucks and Pettersson, the price for a possible extension and how much money has to do with his stagnating contract talks.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome back to the real kipper and born show this is our national edition we are live on sports net and sports at 650 in vancouver and sports at 960 in calgary this hour real kipper and born brought to you by bet 365 nick kip Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. For the next hour, plenty to get into. And we'll do that in a few moments with Gary Gally, former NHLer, color analyst with Sportsnet, Hockey Night in Canada. Really love his insight, guys.

Yes. He's one of my favorites. Knows his stuff in and out. Have you seen the schedule tonight? how many games 3 000 12 or 13 games tonight yeah lots and lots of hockey gonna be an awesome night toronto vegas what's that five canadian five canadian teams in action the flames got uh the kings what else you got for canadian teams vancouver's got the penguins which is a really good game uh ottawa at nashville montreal at arizona sorry arizona montreal not as good at whatever yeah so ottawa has passed montreal now

yeah starting to work right up and past columbus good for them well i know what an excellent accomplishment for those ottawa senators all the way past the halves uh gary galley of course covered the ottawa senators in washington last night uh guys i don't know how washington's doing it to be honest with you but full credit they're hanging in i got a text from my sen's friend last night that was i think halfway through the first period that said chikrin and whatever they want for sorrows so just get us a goalie we can't do this yeah six goals against on 20 shots yeah justin williams last night had a little bit of a a clip of jacob chikrin not maybe hustling back as quickly in his own zone as he would have liked

yeah i found that kind of interesting well you're playing for, I know it's the NHL, but you're playing for a crappy team. Yeah, it's game 57. But he's looking for, you know, respectability. He's looking for a reason why he doesn't want to leave the Ottawa Senators. He hears his name in trade rumors. You think he's not happy? No.

What I'm saying is you gotta you got reason to go hard all the time yeah i understand that that's a uh he's in a tough spot his name kind of keeps coming up and i'm sure he's sick of it so yeah you'd like to put that to rest i'm sure if you're him but yeah so the uh the big night in the NHL. Who, I guess, what has your attention? You'll be watching the Leafs, obviously. Well, before we maybe get into that, just the Edmonton Oilers was another game that I focused on last night. Not a great start by Edmonton.

They found a way to win. I thought the LA Kings might be on to something here moving forward but I just didn't see enough out of their lineup last night it's kind of a boring style of play from the Kings I find them very passive which you know when you got a bunch of good

skaters like they have you're not going to win a ton of hockey games to play that type of game that you're talking about you gotta be almost like telling everybody your best players from the net on out. But that's not the case when you look at the goaltending situation with Los Angeles last night.

Do you think they could still make a move? Would they trade for a goalie, a Markstrom or a Sar markstrom i don't know how they can't like oh yeah i don't know how they there's so much pressure i think on rob blake right now i mean gabrikov dowdy waugh england uh you know clark like they have good players on the back end and kopitar by field to know and more like they have good players dubois so yeah you can see how this is a team in a very weak race and the west should be able to make some hay but you're right if you don't get get saves you just can't compete so curious to see how aggressive they'll get i would say we put them on the list of teams to watch over the next 10 days as we move to the

deadline i love watching bouchard shoot it he just hammers it. And he scores the winning goal last night. He just hits it so hard. And it's a great motion. It's effortless how hard he hits the puck. He's a good story this year. You're just taking the good with the bad sometimes too. Because he'll step up at the blue line like we saw last night. And he'll go right when he should have gone left.

For sure. But like the good far outweighs the bad recently. To your point about shooting, in terms of shots that have eclipsed 90 miles per hour this season, second most in the league is Hedman at 54, Bouchard's first 89. So he's got 35 more 90-plus mile-an-hour shots. So he's just ripping it. Wow.

Every night. Wow. Ovi and third in that list, by the way. I think last night, again, might be an example of Edmonton being one of those teams in the hunt for, and I don't know how realistic this is. We had Eric Francis on the other day talking about could Tanev go from a Calgary to an Edmonton situation? Calgary prefer to trade with Moore, their direct rival.

Yeah, I know. Or the GM that just left. I know, and it would have to be just an offer they can't refuse, I guess. Well, remains to be seen. Where does Zach Hyman rank as best free agent signings ever? Yeah. So I tweeted about this last night um what's the pasternak in boston scores an unbelievable goal 37th of the year and then

i'm watching the highlights and hyman scores it's just 38th yeah he's gonna have 50 goals this year i don't know 56 is the pace for zach kaiman and it's just every year he's gone there he has just gotten better and better and better. It's just, it's got to be one of the best signings ever. By the way, McDavid passing out of the spot he passed out of last night is insanity, unless you're Connor McDavid. All right, let's bring him in.

Gary Gally, former NHL or color analyst with Sportsnet Hockey Night in Canada. Always welcomed on our show, gals. Thanks for doing this, man. Let's stay on Edmonton here for a little while, and then we'll get into the game that you covered last night in Ottawa and Washington. But, you know, just to pick up on this Zach Hyman story,

like, can you recall in your career ever watching someone make the transition from what we think is a solid third line type of winger to a 50 plus goal scorer and the transition happens in your late 20s. Anything you can remember? I can't. The only person that, and there's a lot of years

and a lot of conks on the head here, but the only person that really leaps out at me that i think people weren't weren't really sure if he was for real not then he kept doing it remember chris contos oh yeah i think he just come up come out of nowhere and just started lighting it up and everyone thought okay it's a bit of a flash yeah and then he kept doing it yeah and And became an incredible playoff performer and stuff. But, yeah, I mean, you've got to tip your hat to Zach Hyman. I mean, you know, you make a change and you go to a team like Edmonton and you get on a line, you get on a good line with McDavid or Dreisaitl,

and everyone thinks it's just easy. You just step on the line with one of these major superstars and just keep your stick on the ice and drive to the net and it'll just bounce off just step on the line with one of these major superstars and just keep your stick on the ice and drive to the net it'll just bounce off at the end of the net for you and people are so wrong it takes a real good player when you look at the gensels and the guys that find a way to fit in with players really good players understand them know where to go on the ice know where they want you to go on the ice and be able to have chemistry and read off them is not an easy thing to do. And I think these guys have done a, he's done a marvelous job in Edmonton,

and he's reaping the rewards of that, which is well-deserved. Gary, we've been talking on this show, you know, we do the first hour as a Leafs hour and talking about looking for big, strong, right-hand shot D-men, and then we're talking about teams who could use a big, strong, right-hand shot D-man. And then we're talking about teams who could use a big, strong, right-hand shot D-man. And it's like every team. Where have they gone? What is the, I guess, the change in the NHL that it seems to be?

Everyone knows they want that, but it doesn't seem to exist. You know, it's like if you had a child now, you should hand them a right hockey stick. I've been brainwashing my kids, Gary. I don't let them shoot left. It's like when I grew up, my grandfather gave me my first golf clubs. I was just a young kid. And whatever he gave me, that's the hand I was swinging. That was it.

There wasn't no other choice. That's the way you're going to play golf. So you played that way. If he gave me a set of lefties, I would have played left. But you go what you go with. And these nowadays i do think i mean i was just recently out at bowling green on the weekend watched the bowling green play michigan tech we are seeing more right hand shot guys uh coming up the younger guys playing i think we're going to see an influx of right hand shots coming and i think for the very reasons that we're talking about is that a

lot of people talk about, you know, how much gold is a right-hand shot defenseman worth. And it's incredible. And some of the better right-wingers of our time have played left wing. Well, I mean, look at Ovechkin. He's a prime example. I mean, it's incredible. But a right-hand shot defenseman is somebody that can last in the league a long, long time.

I had a pleasure to watch Carlson last night, John Carlson, who became the all-time leading defenseman in Caps history, passed Callie Johansson and watched him score a nice goal, now in second place for all-time goals. I mean, just a guy that's had a great, wonderful career. Got paused by that crazy head injury that he sustained, but just a guy who's consistently played well, right-hand shot gets put in really good situations and takes advantage of

them. I think you're right. We, we need more of them. They just don't seem to be around right now, but I do believe from what I hear, there's a lot of good right-hand shot guys that are coming through the pipe. I think NHL is going to see them really soon. So, Gals, when it comes to Chris Tan of 34, he's turning 35, I think, next December. There is wear and tear. The sense is that he would have been gone now if Calgary would have been offered a first-rounder. So we believe that teams are really want him.

They're just not ready to go to that next level here. How concerned should teams be at his age? The fact that he needs a new contract, the fact that there's been wear and tear, like you've been around a long time. You've seen, you've been a player 35 plus in the league. How many more years does he have left?

How big of a concern should it be if a team like Toronto does want to overspend on a first-rounder in your mind? Is that worth taking that gamble? Well, I think you have to feel like you're really close, and that's the one piece you need. Because the first thing is, yes, you're absolutely right. There's a lot of mileage and a lot of hard mileage. And the reason why there's a lot of hard mileage is because that's the way he has to play to be successful.

And you've got to love him. I love the way he plays. It's like Brendan Gallagher. Brendan Gallagher's career is not going to last as long as other guys' careers because they don't play it from the tips like Brendan Gallagher does or Tanev does and Peter Forsberg. And you can go through a whole list of guys that have to play that way in order to play, right? So at the end of the day, good on Tanev to be that player,

but I would be a little more cautious going down this road because of the hard miles and how much more is left in the tank for him. And if he could do the job for you now, right now, and he's that one piece that you're missing, then absolutely. I think you take the chance and you go for it. I just don't know if they're just one piece there. And that's where I kind of get a little more, I'm not sure. I think he'd be a good addition to any team because he's a team player.

He's the kind of guy that, you know, you have all kinds of different players in your team, but there are certain players on your team, and you want a Stanley Cup, you know. There are certain players that just help to take the anxiety out of the room, that just help to, you know, when things are chaotic, settle things down. On the ice, plays the same all the time, never changes,

and he makes other people around him want to play as hard as he does. And that's the kind of player you want on your team uh you know you're right you know he certainly i think is a guy that can help a team win but i think you have to be that team where it's that one piece i think if you need him and a few other pieces and you're going to spend a lot of money to get him or to get or give up a lot to get him i'm not sure at the end of the day if you don't win if you'll feel like it was worth it and only one team wins as brian burkle says right only one team wins so but uh i think he'd be a great addition to any team that's why there's so many teams that are interested in them

but i do believe a lot of teams are are hesitant to give up the first rounder do you think the flames should have something of a fire sale despite the fact that they're legitimately in the playoff chase here. I mean, I know there's teams around Canada, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Edmonton,

Toronto, all looking at their roster going, can we have a guy, you know, but should they be selling? You know, guys, I don't know where I fit on this,

where everybody believes this should be as far as selling off and doing all this as an ex player. If we're in a playoff hunt, get the hell out of here. Leave us alone. This is why you pay us. This is why you put a team together. This is why this is the National Hockey League.

You got a chance to get into the playoffs. What the hell are you doing selling players? I don't get this. I just don't understand it. It's become like it's a copycat league, and one team does it everyone's doing it uh it's like it's like when someone says all the senators you know they're winning games now and uh you know they now they're going to blow their draft position

they're not going to get in the playoffs and they're going to win all these games that don't mean nothing every win means something every win in the national hockey league builds character in your hockey club especially a young hockey club like the Ottawa Senators you need to get as many wins as you can build how to win hockey games get streaks together I mean I know this is the way things goes this is the analytics the business of the game of hockey now but I gotta tell you as an ex-player coming from a player's standpoint if I'm four points out or six points out with 20 something games to go and you just give up on us and you sell the farm and you leave us to just kind of wail on a clothesline i'm like the what are we signing up and coming to training camp and busted a hump for to try to get in the

playoffs when we just get there and you pull the rug out i just don't understand it i know why teams do it i get it but i don't understand if you're in a playoff spot why you do that. Another team that's been linked to Tanev is the Ottawa Senators, and this is a team that's on the outside looking in. Does that surprise you? And whether or not they get him in a week and a half or go after him in the summer,

is that the type of voice that you just spoke of moments ago, being a guy that can come into that room? Bang on. You know, Steve Stales is a player, and Steve Stales played a long time, knows what the importance of a guy like Tanev could be in a young locker room. And they've got a guy like Hamannik there

that they thought could be that kind of guy to bring him in, that maybe he wasn't skill-wise up to stuff, but he could do some help in the locker room and be a good, solid voice in the locker room. But they need a guy who can play more minutes. They need a guy that can be a little more up, closer to the top four, and Tanev fits that bill. And Dave Poulin and Steve Stales,

and I believe the ownership of that team, they want character players coming into Ottawa. They're going to help make this thing turn around. They have a lot of sexy sports cars in Ottawa. They're very talented. These guys want to win. They want to get at it, but they just can't seem to find their way through it.

And I think that there are going to be some changes. Just me, as my opinion, I think looking at this from an outsider in, I do believe there will be changes there. And it'll be possibly to the core of that team that they feel they have too much of one thing. And what good is it for them to fall down in the standings and get a draft pick? They have draft picks. They have assets. They need to start getting better. And they need to start getting the fanings and get a draft pick. They have draft picks. They have assets. They need to start getting better, and they need to start getting the fan base excited about what's coming.

And I think this is a team that's got a lot of great pieces, but they've realized they may be a little short in some areas as far as the character and what builds that atmosphere around the team that's so important when you're building championship teams. And I think they're going to go out and look for that. And a guy like Tanev is a guy that is, like we talked about, one of those glue guys. Do you think it's possible to bring in a guy, though,

who hasn't been with the team or a part of the room and say, this is a character, he's a leader now. This guy's going to be a leader of your team and he hasn't been there. He's kind of the new guy to the culture. That's a tough spot, right? Like I know the Leafs have tried to bring that in with o'reilly and shin and thornton and whatever but the culture's got to start with the guys who've been there no yeah giordano too right i mean right but yeah you know you know what i i think you're right it's not an easy sell yeah i mean they've got a i think they've got a top-notch captain there uh and brady kachuk i think jac think Jacques Martin has done wonders for Brady Kachuk.

I think he has settled him down. He's got him back to focusing on sticking to playing the game and letting the other stuff, when it deems necessary, he looks more in control of his game. He looks like a star player. Last night, man, he was trying to pull them on his back last night, that line with him and Pinto. But know they need they need some underneath guys claude geroux came in there and he became a leader in there he's not a vocal leader he's not a yeller screamer he's a guy who

leads by example and and players love that they love claude geroux they love what he does for them and they need a few more players like that to help out uh and i think that there's going to be some things that we're not aware of, guys, that are going to happen over the next few months or a few weeks. You know, what's going to happen with Jacob Chikrin? What's going to happen with Thomas Chabot? What's going to happen with some of the other players on that team that are going to be possibly exiting or moving on in deals? And they need to fill those voids back up, coming back the other side.

So there are guys they're going to they need to fill those voids back up coming back the other side so a guy there are guys they're going to go after to bring in character and it's not easy to step in as a new guy and be a leader right away but when people know who you are and what you stand for around the league and there's respect that you have around the league i think that is just something that just comes along with it and they and they trust it and the young guys know it and they believe it's going to help them in some way. You know, he's not going to come in and be there forever. He's here for a short period of time

to help get them through that next phase where the ownership and the management feel like there's some leadership issues missing. And not like, I mean, I don't mean badly. I just mean some veteran guys to help push some of these other guys that maybe aren't pushing each other enough. Gary, I've got to ask you about the Toronto Maple Leafs and their latest run.

We've seen some bold moves, including dropping John Tavares in the lineup here. Is this Sheldon Keefe showing everybody less is more? You know what? Sometimes less is more. I mean, it really is. And you're getting ready to come to the playoffs. You know, JT is not a young buck anymore. He's had some pretty good years. He's got, I think, a good playoff run in him. I think 100%. You want to come into the playoffs with everybody being as fresh as you possibly can, as healthy as you possibly can. And you've still got 20- something games to go here uh i tell you what i tip my cat to the maple leaves and i know that losing morgan riley for five games it could have been it could have been something where they went one you know one one three and one or two and three or you know they

could have easily gone that way and they didn't they went five and oh uh they stepped up and they stepped up i would imagine there was a talk in the locker room when they said, hey, you know, Morgan's going to be watching these games. Let's, you know, he stood up for us. Let's make sure that these games, we're not making him feel like, you know, Osaka, you know what? Well, he's watching it. Let's go out there and get these things.

And that's what teams do. You know, when a guy takes a penalty, you guys know this, a guy takes a penalty late in the game, stick it up for somebody, and he gets the extra two minutes. You know, you want to takes a penalty, you guys know this, a guy takes a penalty late in the game, stick it up for somebody and he gets the extra two minutes, you know, you want to kill that penalty for that guy. You want to go out and block shots and be there to make sure that that penalty doesn't hurt him or the team. And so I think stepping up for a guy like Morgan Riley,

I think was a really, really good thing for me to see. I think they got it together at the right time. And now they need to, now they need to now they need to come down this final stretch playing good hockey uh because they know 100 they're going into that first round facing a humdinger of a team right away and it's not going to be a favorite they're going to be going into that series most likely the underdog and maybe that's a better place for them to be in attacking a series with either boston or florida which is what it looks like it's most likely going to be yeah you know the one thing for the leafs is they've been through the wars you know uh they

they understand that what that pace the first round looks like we got four canadian teams with legitimate cup hopes this year winnipeg edmonton, Vancouver, in that mix as well, you know, have had playoff experience to varying degrees. The Oilers have had some runs along the way. The Canucks less so. Where do you place that experience, that having been into the playoffs deep before, as a matter of importance,

as something that teams need to go through to finally, you know, to get to the top? Well, if the Islanders had to go through it, and if you look at the Oilers had to go through it, then I would think most teams have to go through it. Yeah. I mean, you know, the Oilers realized it, and the Islanders realized it after significant,

heartbreaking, heart-wrenching losses in the playoffs, and then realizing really what it took by seeing what their opponent laid out on the table to get it and they knew there was another gear they needed and they found it so very few teams walk into this and just and just win it bang right away i look at maybe pittsburgh sydney's first year you know they kind of you know got through it all and just bang it happened and i don't i think that's more rare that that happens. I think it's something you have to experience. So for a team like Vancouver, for a team like Winnipeg, you know, and Toronto, I mean, Toronto's gone into the playoffs. It hasn't had a long run yet.

So that's still something that has to happen. So there's still some work to be done for the Canadian teams. You know, I'm hopeful that Canadian teams don't play each other in the first round. I'd like to see them all play other opponents so we have a better opportunity to have as many of them move on as we possibly can. I'm one of those people, like, every year I cross my fingers that a Canadian team can get to the finals and have a crack at winning the cup.

It's been too long since a Canadian team has hoisted that thing. I think it's time. There's a lot of good teams out there that it's not going to be easy. You know, Vancouver are showing some speed wobbles right now, you know, but it's a long year. That's a team that travels a lot of miles and, you know, and that's always a factor

and they get a little bit tired, but hopefully they can get it back going. As you know, it comes down to goaltending and it comes down to defensive structure, how you can shut down your opponent's best players and continue to utilize your system while you're doing such. And I think that that's something that you learn as you go along. And the Vegas Golden Knights did it in spades last year.

I mean, they got terrific goaltending from a number of goaltenders, which was really weird. But they also are really good offensively, but their structure defensively didn't waver. They didn't give it up. They played good solid defense, good structure defensively, but they still let their offensive game. They knew the right times to push it when they did,

and they were successful at it. There's a recipe. There's a recipe that gets it done um and most often than not and so for the canadian teams there's not a lot of teams that have had a chance to get there uh montreal canadians a few years back but they won't be in the mix at this juncture yet but i do like the way vancouver's played i do love their team i like the way talk coaches them uh you know i like winnipeg i'm a big fan of rick bonus i like the way the jets have played with all the minuses off their team this team has stepped up for one another

and have really played well and i like the additions they've made guys who want to be there and play there you know and toronto like i said i was really uh pleased with how they kind of uh you know stuck up for morgan riley got those wins and tried to keep things going. And the Oilers are a team, I mean, come on. I mean, this is a team that the bad start that they had, I mean, it was a terrible start. They're kind of the opposite of the LA Kings. LA Kings came out of the gate flying, and then they hit a frigging wall. And then you look at Edmonton came out struggling,

and then they just took off. So, you know, I still believe that uh you know with connor mcdavid and dry sidle and the power that that team has and how they're playing that i think they could really get on a run in the playoffs uh you know i think jack eichel winning the cup too is going to put a little burr in mcdavid's bonnet as well i think you could win all the awards that you want to win mvp hard trophy ted lindsey uh but uh you know at the end of awards that you want to win, MVP, hard trophy, Ted Lindsey. But at the end of the day, you want to win that Stanley Cup. And Jack Eichel did that last year in Vegas.

It looked unbelievable doing it. So you've got to think Connor McDavid, he watched him do it. He wants to do that too. Gals, really appreciate your time as always. Excellent stuff. Thanks for doing this, man. Always a pleasure, you guys. Thanks, Gals. Appreciate it. Gary Gally does a terrific your time as always. Excellent stuff. Thanks for doing this, man. Always a pleasure, you guys. Thanks, Gals.

Appreciate it. Gary Gally does a terrific job on Sportsnet and Hockey Night in Canada. In hockey analytics, there's the context of who you play with and the tough minutes. We give Gally the tough minutes. We give him every Canadian team. He needs to know about the forward, the D, the goaltending for seven teams because you're getting asked about it all. I like that point about Mccdavid and eichel and i don't really think of them as like comparables

but i guarantee mcdavid does and he's right like that's a guy that he was drafted ahead of that they were compared together in that draft it was talked about and he got the cup before him not with the team that drafted him so maybe that's a little bit of a thing or whatever but it's interesting like i can guarantee connor thinks about that he's american the canadian thing like that's definitely a uh a factor as hell right yeah and now what's this stretch of uh goalless games 10 maybe yeah i made a good win last night set up uh hyman yeah i mean i don't care one iota about this goalist route ah you know everybody though just has to bring it up it's a story i mean it's fascinating that someone who scored 64 times last year can go 10 without a

goal the longest he's gone since he broke into the league i think matthews has had stretches of that yeah i don't know if it's a 10 8 maybe in his rookie year he had a really long one like i want to say like 13 or 12 like he had a really long stretch without a goal but i i can't remember he doesn't go that many periods no it just seems like it's it's just bouncing a little bit off this stick right now. It's kind of rolling off. For Connor? Yeah. Yeah? Like every once in a while I see him cutting in and it's just like,

the puck like hiccups on him. I just can't get over that pass to Hyman last night. He curls up, takes the puck, and turns above the hash marks, him and the goalie at the hashes, and to pass that up is like, that shows a lot of confidence to your line mate. Yeah, absolutely. I'm passing that to nobody absolutely no player on earth i'm taking that one game time boys game time baby all right it's game time presented by bet365 what are your choices here oh my okay 12

games let me finish first kipper then we can get into that i know you're excited about game time it's game time presented by bet365 visit the app the latest odds find out why it's never ordinary at bet365 must be 19 plus ontario only please play responsibly so there are a lot of choices for tonight um a couple that i'm looking at you know i like to go with the underdogs which is why i probably never win a lot but i do like the tampa bay lightning are huge favorites in philly tonight they're minus 140 i think tampa is clearly the better team more talent but i just absolutely love how hard philly plays and it feels like that's a plus 120 bet for the flyers they play hard they're good in their own building i just feel like that's a bet that you're gonna be and they may not win it but they're

gonna be in it in that game so give me the flyers plus 120 as a home dog another one that i like and i don't really love to do this because the penguins you know my relationship with the penguins canucks are having a tough go and i'm sorry to my canucks fans brethren that i i love to talk about because i love the canucks so much but they're having a tough go right now and the penguins are absolutely scrapping and desperate for every point. Sid's putting the team on his back. They're plus 135 tonight against Vancouver in Vancouver. Let me take a shot on the Pittsburgh Penguins to beat the struggling Vancouver Canucks tonight

at Rogers Place in Vancouver. Yeah, I think it's Rogers Place. Sounds right. A couple, what else was I looking at tonight? Like the Devils at all devils got who the san jose sharks or something they're due for a win aren't they yeah well if you want to play minus 260 i'll do in regulation on those okay and yeah you can if you want to get them by a goal and a half you can go minus 105 and just to look at the leafs game tonight the leafs are pretty prohibitive

favorites here minus 165 i think that's pretty, you know, shows a team that doesn't have a lot of good forward depth versus a team that's won seven in a row in a public team. But minus 160 is a pretty steep number. If you like the Golden Knights, not bad at plus 140, but I wouldn't, I think the Leafs can handle it. I think the Canucks are about to turn the corner. To bad town?

No, to get better. Oh, nah. They beat Boston on Saturday night, right? Yeah. Here they come. They got the Penguins here, Kings. These are big games. I just got a funny feeling about the Penguins tonight.

All right. So there you go. Flyers. Jamie Drysdale. Yeah. They announced he's out week to week. Apparently it's the same shoulder that kept him out of the lineup last season. He shouldn't play again this year.

Crap. Right? It's already March, basically. Okay, if this is a recurring thing and, you know, knock on wood, like I've seen the kid, you know, grow up in Toronto here, and I'm really hoping that this isn't like a long-term thing that could affect his career but i mean you've played with guys kip whose shoulders just this is one of those where like the flyers can't afford to have traded for a guy with a bad

shoulder off the trade that they made yeah if caragoccia ends up being what he could be i mean if it is a case where your shoulder his shoulder is like going to be a recurring thing you can do surgery and do it early so you're ready to go for next year um but yeah that's yeah and the last thing i have here for let's hope let's hope he hope he's back before the end of the year. And the last thing I have for game time is you can have a win division bets here. And just looking at the Atlantic, the Toronto Maple Leafs are plus 650 to win the Atlantic division if you're interested in that kind of thing. I think they've been getting hot recently. It's a bet against Florida, which may not be the best one.

But plus 650 for a hot team like that, it's not a terrible bet in my opinion. I got 25 games to go and there's six points back. Not awful. Realistically. That was Game Time, presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary. Bet365 must be 19+. Ontario only.

Please play responsibly. Okay, we're going to take a quick break and we'll get into our NHL news and notes, including the Vancouver Canucks you guys just mentioned. Our Elliott Friedman spoke of Patterson. We talked about this briefly, and I think we ran out of time, so I want to kind of get into it a little bit more after the break. What are you giving me the face for?

I angered Vancouver. It's Rogers Arena, not Rogers Place. Rogers Place is Edmonton. You're probably thinking of BC Place back in the day. When Rogers owns the country, just use Rogers. It's Rogers, Rogers. It's Rogers, Rogers here, Rogers there, Rogers everywhere. As there should be.

Okay, so before youodle-a-loo. Before you got it wrong, Sammy, I was mentioning that our Elliot Friedman talked about Pettersson and the fact that teams are calling the Canucks on him. Okay. So I want to get into it a little bit more after the break. You all right?

I'm going to push back on that. You don't even know what I'm going to say. I'm actually fighting you. All right, JB. you all right i'm gonna push back on that you don't even know what i'm gonna say um i'm fighting you all right jb ready to take the gloves off when we return and real kipper and born breaking down the biggest trends in hockey the hockey pdo cast with dimitri filipovich be sure to subscribe on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back into the Real Kipper Inborn Show. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee.

Just before the break, we were mentioning the Vancouver Canucks. I don't think what Elliott Friedman reported Saturday when it came to Pedersen was earth shattering. Right? Well, it shattered some earth. But here's the but. It did probably lead to a little anxiety for Vancouver Canuck fans. Yes. Very much so.

Very much so. You know, this is a... Is it legit? Oh, so now... So now... So you had a day to think about this? When I brought this up yesterday, like, ah, it's not that big a deal. People just call all the time.

No, I wanted to get into it yesterday. We ran out of time. It's a big deal. That's what I'm getting to. Elias Pettersson has 74 points in 60 games. He is a great defensive player. He hits. He's, you know, he's a great player.

He's an elite player in the league. Yes. A centerman. He's, you know, 6'2 and 25 years old. What? Valuable guy. Where's the anxiety coming from? I think the legitimate concern that it's strange this guy doesn't want to sign.

By every reasonable measure, the Canucks have tried to re-sign him. He's got next year. He's not a UFA. So technically he can't sign until July 1st. But everybody's under the impression that he doesn't want to sign correct uh is that right he can't sign he can't he can't officially sign i believe until july 1st is that true i'm checking where he's uh his contract status here i feel like he can no you can you can only sign you can't sign a two years out or a year and a half away. His contract's up. This is it.

Oh, that's right. Okay. So he has no year. He's a restricted free agent. Okay. All right. Now, okay, I'm back on board now. Okay.

Okay. He's making 7.35. Okay. So it's not like he's an unrestricted free agent ready to walk out the door. He does have another year of control. Vancouver has another year of control vancouver has another year of control right without the year on a contract right okay so but do you get the sense that there's more to it than just a typical negotiation here's what i think i think he

wants to know that they're going to be good i don't think he wants to play for a team that is flailing. Okay, you've lost me already. They're past that. He knows they're a good team. They're a deep team right now. They're in a spot where they can compete in the Western Conference. That question has been answered. When?

When was it answered? All season long. They, in fact, have the most points in the National Hockey League. I know. I don't know if you guys know this, but they were bad last year. They missed the playoffs.

And so, without changing the lineup in any significant way, you know, they are suddenly the best team in the league i wouldn't be shocked if he was a little hesitant let's just see how this plays out i don't have to say i don't buy that this is this is me thinking you buy that well okay well then fine no no it's okay keep going let's say it's not this then what he just doesn't like the seawall i think it's that you think sushi's gross hasn't he said that he was like oh i just want to focus on hockey maybe he just

you know which i always think is one of the stupidest things in the world. And they're like, oh. No one has ever said that honestly. Well, no. The thing to me, it's like, oh, you play hockey. You can't talk about making 90 schmil. It takes a call from your agent who says, do you want the money or not? Yeah, you're sitting in your hotel room.

You're not going to call your agent and be like, yeah, how much are they going to pay me? A lot of downtime in hockey. That's what I mean. So what's your theory then? What are we doing? How's it going? Yeah. I don't have a theory right now i'll be honest with you i'm just spitballing here but there's there's a vibe now i'm getting a vibe and what is that vibe sir there's just there's more to this than just... Where there's smoke, there's fire. Yeah, I'm starting to see a little smoke.

It's steam. It's just steam from overheated canucks fans. Yeah. Well, they're not going to trade this guy. I'm not saying that they're going to trade him, but first and foremost, my first question is is where is his heart like where does he Francisco isn't that a song it is it is okay we've got

a Nylander scenario that we just watched play out for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Granted, he was going into UFA, not RFA, but still needed a contract. And he said, how many times on the record? How many times? I want to be a Leaf. I love being a Leaf. I want to be a Leaf.

My total point. And how many times have we heard Petey say that? I haven't read it. I haven't heard it. You don't find that a little strange? Yeah, listen, I find it a little strange. I do. But if it's just about money.

But they have control. Yeah, I know they have control. Yeah. I know they have control. He's going to sit at home next year and watch? I don't see an outcome here where, I don't know, where he's not a Vancouver Canuck in the lineup. Can I just remind you that we probably had that same type of feeling for Bo Horvat?

Yeah, but Bo Horvat? Yeah. But he's not, Bo Horvat isn't the player Pedersen is. Definitely not. Bo Horvat was the captain of the Vancouver Canucks. I'm not saying he's Petey, but he was a very important guy that we had no vision two years ago of him leaving. But they had to choose there. They chose JT Miller over Bo Horvath.

They chose JT Miller because Bo chose to not sign the contract they offered. That's why Bo left. Bo didn't leave because Bo wanted to leave. Bo left because they weren't willing to pay him what he thought he was worth, and he got it like that in the island. So if they're not willing to pay Petey what he's worth, there's no one to choose instead of Petey.

You know, there's no JT Miller this time to say, well, we're going to keep Brock Besser instead. You know, that's not a comparable. We're going to keep the guy with the same name instead. Elias, the other Elias. Yeah. That's if you just assume it's about money.

He's got a crazy ex-girlfriend in the city he's trying to get away from. I don't know. I'm just telling you. It rains a lot there. I don't know. I'm just telling you. Brains a lot there. I don't know. Maybe with Petey, it's not about the money. Like, is there some other reason why he's not signing? I have a lot of respect for that generally.

For people being like, I want life to live here. I'd like to live, like Noah Hannafin wants to live in the U.S. or Boston. Awesome. I'm sorry. it's not your spidey senses going that maybe this just this guy just doesn't want to be a vancouver canuck after you know contracts up to me there's not i can't say you're not talking me into it but i mean they're not lowballing them they're probably being like there's probably an excellent contract on the table to him right now kneelander plus a million 100 percent yeah they're not like low it's not like a low ball they're not paying them enough situation so i don't i don't think it would be because they've embarrassed him on an offer. So he's not publicly coming out and saying, let the agents work it out.

I'm sure they'll figure it out. And there's lots of time. It's not the Willie Nylander going, I want to be here. My heart's here. And I don't envision going anywhere else. And I don't want to talk about it anymore. Maybe he's waiting till after the Canucks have a excellent playoff run and he's one of the best players on the team for

that whole time to negotiate a couple extra million dollars that's definitely one thing the how much extra are we talking about oh all these guys that's all they want they just want to get as much as they can possibly get so the only thing that makes sense is my answer, guys. Which is? Is that he's not sure that they're going to be, you know, where he wants them to be over the next eight years. But they're a good team. They are.

I'm convinced now, too. And I wonder if now he's not convinced, too, and it changes. If, you know, he starts to listen. They start to have conversations. I don't know. Okay. Listen, we're all just throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing which noodles stick.

I'm sure a Vancouver audience is going to love that convo. Don't think they're having it behind closed doors? This is the thing. They're all trying not to say it, but it's in here. That conversation's happening between the years. We are not out on a limb here with this conversation. People are starting to wonder

if this guy wants to be a Vancouver Canuck or not. Do you think that would affect the team heading towards playoffs? That they're not as sure that their best player, or Quinn Hughes, whatever, but is fully committed? Yes. To answer your question, yes. Behind the scenes,

there'd be a group of guys over a beer lunch what does he want behind the back of the bus going okay he's what's what's going on with pd's are they dumb enough are his management and ownership dumb enough to think that this guy's not worth almost $100 million over eight years? The math on that, 13 and... No. No? 12. Yeah.

12 times eight is what? 96. 96. Okay, I was close. I'm so in the ballpark there. I'm so proud of myself. That's good. Okay?

That's good. So, like, there's not a person on the bus. There's not a person behind the bench in management to the owner that thinks, oh, we're not paying 96 or, you know, we'll pay 87, but not 96. A hundred's the exact number. Twelve and a half. Here you go. Twelve, twelve and a half. That offer has to have been

made already. And if it's been made and he doesn't want it, the only thing is because they do have some leverage with him being an RFA. Is that not... But Kipper said it a million times. The number ain't going down, right?

It's just like the number, it's not going down. So you can have this great season, and let's just say they get knocked out in the first round. Oh. Okay? Bottom of the West, let's talk the second round. Okay, second round. He's going to live and die on his decision

of being a future Vancouver Canuck based on that after spending the whole season with Rick Tockett and JT and Hughes and building this thing up, thinking we're going to be good for the next three or four years and we're going to cash in one of those years for Stanley Cup. Let me play Pedersen's agent. Oh, you mean playing with Rick Tockett who's called him out multiple times in the media

and made a huge firestorm about it multiple times? You mean that, Rick Tockett? What part don't you like? That the guy knows how to win a Stanley Cup? That's the part you don't like? There you go. Now you're Rick Tockett's agent. He's mean to me. He says mean things. I don't buy that There you go. Now you're Rick Talkett's agent. He's mean to me. He's mean to me. He says mean things. No, I don't buy that.

I'm just saying. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Petey's smart enough to know that there's coaches that push you and make you better. I love Rick Talkett. One of the most heartbreaking things about him being there is that he doesn't come on our show anymore because he was a rock for us through the first year of us.

My time hop today, I had a show two years ago. I had taken a picture uh my time hop today i had showed two years ago i had taken a picture of my tv screen it was the vancouver canucks best defensive team since december 6th so that would have been over two and a half months and it was with big bruce boudreaux's face beside it they had been the best defensive team over two and a half months of boudreaux's initial time bruce there it is baby yeah they were right in the middle of bruce firestorm right now, two years ago. What a time to be alive that was. What a turn since.

I saw a picture of Bruce Boudreaux in a cameo in the movie Slapshot. Did you know that? Yeah. You said Slapshot? I think I knew that, but I forgot it, I think. Do you know our boy Feutz gets walked in Youngblood? What? No.

Yeah. Are you kidding me? Feutz was in Youngblood? Yeah? No. Are you kidding me? Fuse was in Youngblood? Yeah. I got to watch that movie. That's a great, great movie. I think I shot a Ted Reeve. I was supposed to be in that, and I told you I decided at the last second,

I don't want to be an extra. Easily. You just wanted to be the star. You wanted to take Rob Lowe's place? I should have been Rob Lowe. But I didn't shoot right. That's what I'm telling everybody. Easily the funniest part of that is they cut to the guys in the gym,

and I think it's Steve Thomas. Steve Thomas. Doing leg presses. Patrick Swayze's in there in full lower body equipment doing squats. He's got shin pads and the pants on. Oh, yeah. That's so gross. The first thing you want to get off is those shin pads.

In the gym doing leg presses and squats. Wasn't that – Lower gear. Slaps shot just had an anniversary was it 50 was that really yeah it's possible i guess 74 would is yeah doing the math what a good movie that is love it it's still a classic yeah i'm not sure yeah it's my all-time favorite all-time favorite all-time favorite kipper what's your all-time favorite movie? Yeah, Slapshot would be up there for sure. Happy Gilmore here. Happy Gilmore? Yeah. That's a great pick.

Office space up there. Shawshank. Shawshank. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's very easy. But it's just the one I've watched the most, the one that made me laugh the hardest. It's just very good. Never not enjoyable. Yeah, so tonight, Toronto Maple Leafs, Vegas Golden Knights. Who you got there, Kippy?

Do you buy into the coming off a West Coast trip at first game at home? Do you buy that theory? Out of conference opponent. Out of, yeah, for sure. Okay. Let down night for the Leafs? Maybe. 3-1.

I absolutely think they can win tonight, but they got to survive a slow start in my opinion la king's coming off a loss does calgary eat them up tonight i think the kings are going to start rolling here there's something just there's there's a bad vibe right now there is something you can't have dave you can't thinking you're you're a top dog in the east and you got david ridditch in that right now hey quickly before we go, I got stopped last night at York Camlin before my hockey game, and a guy, I believe his name was Bari.

Bari. He said he listened to our show in Japan all the time. He was up at all hours of the night, and he came back, and he lives here now. He stopped me, said he loved the show, and he listened all the time from Japan. Big Leaf fan, so I thought that was awesome. Big fan of you, Bari.

Thanks for his support. I think it was Bari. I hope it's Bari. I think it's Bari. Anyways, there you go. So does he get our... Is it in... He was watching it on YouTube when we were on YouTube. Do they dub it for us?

That's a great question. I don't think so. I'd like to hear it if they dub it. Alright, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Enjoy your games tonight.