Real Kyper & Bourne - Canucks Moving Forward from the Noise

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne welcome in Satiar Shah (4:54), host of Canucks Central, to get his thoughts on the conflicting comments about tensions in the Vancouver Canucks locker room from J.T. Miller and general manager Jim Rutherford, why the Carolina-Colorado trade hinders the market for the Canucks, if Vancouver would be interested in trading Morgan Rielly for Miller, and the diminishing story of Quinn Hughes' 2024-25 season so far. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee discuss Kirill Kaprizov's injury, options for Team Canada to replace Alex Pietrangelo for the 4 Nations Face-Off, and which teams could be front-runners to sell near the trade deadline.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

We welcome everybody into the national hour. On the Real Kipper and Bourne show we are live in Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver and Sportsnet 960 in Calgary. This hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet365. The Kipper Reels, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. Getting roasted about the tie thing, boys. About not untying your ties? It's also one of those things that guys are way too proud of and I don't want to come off as that guy. I mean, you should do it. It's just a discipline. That's all you lack

Discipline that's for sure. All right something's lacking for the Vancouver Canucks to the point where President executive Jimmy Rutherford went on record about the situation Sammy have you got those clips? Just from a Globe and Mail Article, do you have the quotes exactly because he doesn't necessarily Mention

Pedersen or Miller by name, but he does all but identify them. There's a lot in this, but I mean I think one of the big grab quotes out of the article that was by Gary Mason out of Vancouver, I believe, was that we're talking about two of our top players. When you're planning on this team peeking into a contending team, and then you find out that's not going to happen or at least it's not going to happen with the group we have then you have to put together a new plan. Yeah we've had those conversations I think the parties understand that I think they've tried as you know something whatever that's not going to work.

You want one of this someone has to go like the G or the president confirming it's not there's no solution where they just stay there and work it out. This is like January 28 here. Hey, Derek, do we have that, that clip of JT Miller? And this was I believe just before just before Christmas, December 22, Derek tells me, let's have a listen to JT Miller talking about the circumstances. I'm not listening to you guys. In a sense, that outer world have created this thing. Like this isn't a thing. So am I bothered? No, but you guys are just wasting your time. About hearing of it.

I don't care. You guys want to talk about it? You want to ask me? Ask me all you want. wasting your time. How do I review you? About hearing of it. I don't care. You guys want to talk about it? You want to ask me? Ask me all you want. I can bring up Petey and we can do the interview together if that would make you guys happy. It's not a thing. Right?

Well. What did Jimmy Rutherford say today? It's a thing. It's a thing. I don't care. It's a thing. He stamped it. Yeah.

He stamped it today. I totally get the point being made is that the president confirmed a thing. He stamped it. He stamped it today. I totally get the point being made is that the president confirmed a thing that we weren't being told once upon a time. I also don't blame JT Miller for saying what he said when he said it. I'm okay with you. I'm just not okay with those comments December 23rd and then Jimmy's today and then going,

what happened? What happened between those comments and Jimmy Rutherford's article today? So, envision now that you're Jimmy Rutherford and you've known that there's a scenario going on and you just watched one of your top players go on camera and Talk to the media and the fans and lie But he should lie

No, he should not lie. That's when you turn around and you use the two most famous words in Media history, please. Oh no Oh no comment would have been better than what JT Miller did December 23rd. No comment drops a nuke but no comment might as well be I hate his guts. The information vacuum then is there for idiots to fill. it's interpretation it's I like Miller being like it's it's better than lying you know it's better than living a lie I'm telling you yeah you know when you live a lie is when you can kind of brush it under the well I think they had hopes they could can't fix. I think they thought they could before anything could get out. I think they thought they could I Don't know. Let's ask that Shaw host of Canucks Central

Game host for sports net always does a great job coming on the show. We really appreciate it. I'm sorry It's always under these circumstances Lately never come on and tell us what the 10 game winning streak. You know, I just, I just, we just played JT Miller's comments at Christmas talking about basically, come on, it's not a thing. And now we wake up and we see Jimmy Rutherford's comments and he's saying it's a thing. And how do the fans react today? Oh I mean it's there's a lot of dismay from the fan base that this is coming

out again and you know it's not a 10 game winning streak but it's a two game winning streak and for us we this is the first time in two months the Cucks actually won two consecutive games so there were some good vibes coming off the game but we don't call Vancouver Hollywood North for no reason it's not not just the movies. It's all the soap opera and drama around this team as well. And, and Kipper, I mean, you guys have talked about it. We've talked about it. It's been, you know, even acknowledged to some degree by J by a Queen Hughes and Rick talk at a couple months back when they met with the media and they acknowledged that, yeah, Pederson and JT may not be friends, but that's not something that, you know, it

gets in the way of winning. They've had those situations in the past, but you're right, JT denied it. Peterson said it's all being made up. And Jim Rutherford came out today and admitted that it is a thing. Now we all knew this was a thing. The question just comes down to timing.

And, you know, I get what you were saying there, Borne, because I don't disagree. Like I'm all for honesty, but my only thing with this situation today is I just don't understand the upside on this, right? And in a season where the Canucks haven't avoided any of the rakes in their yard, it's pretty much been like sideshow bop,

stepping on every single rake he can. This just seems like another situation where the team is trying to maybe create some level of, win a couple games in a row, let's move past these discussions. And now Jim Rutherford's come out and thrown a big bomb into all of this. And he's being honest, and I know he's always honest in these situations. Again, I just failed to see what the upside is for him to say the things he said today.

You know, it just feels like for a while there, at least on our show, we were saying, why haven't we heard from Rutherford? Like why no comment? You know, you can't hide forever from this sort of thing. And so for him to come out and say, yeah, you know, you guys got us, you know, something's got to happen. It kind of feels like the only way for, you know, to get through this and handle it. So what is the, the forecast here for this Canucks team and what happens?

Because you're in the midst of a playoff race and everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. It still feels to me like a salvageable season. Do I have that read wrong? I'm with you. Like I saw it coming off the game last night. I mean, and again, it's only two consecutive wins, but this team hasn't even strung together two decent performances. It was a strong road win. It looked a lot like how the connects played last year, right? Get off to a lead, add to their lead, suffocate a team in the third period.

The result was never really in question. They got saved, they scored on the power play, five on five, they were good. Defensively, they were good. JT played well, Pedersen played well. If you were trying to talk yourself into some landmarks that can lead to you turning it around, only one point back, a Calgary now after the victory too,

and they have a game in hand, but you're right there in the playoff race. And we know how wide open the league is this year, right? I mean, look at even the top teams are really good, but all teams have flaws. And that to say that can actually make the playoffs and make a run, but it's one of those years where if you make the playoffs, you have talent,

you can talk yourself into it being interesting. The question just comes down to, has the drama got to a point where they can't overcome this? Now, the last two games look good. I just wonder what this does to the situation. And I'm all for honesty, for us men, listen, this is manna from heaven, right? We can talk about Jim Rutherford laying it all bare to Gary Mason with the Globe and Mail, and that tells you about where things are at. I just don't know if this is just going to add another

lock to the fire. And it's very clear based on what Jim said, they don't have solutions in the trade market. And he acknowledged that if they're trading Peterson or JT, they may not even get a second line center back. They might get a center, but he may not even be a top two line center. So we have to get the assets back in return and go and find other players. And that's nice and fine and good.

How easy is that though to have assets and go and get those players? Every single team is looking for a top line center. So I just don't see where the solutions are. And if you're at a point now where if you're going to take say 75 cents on the dollar on Patterson or 50 cents on a dollar for JT Miller, how does that impact your chances this year?

I think you can pretty much burn this year if you're trading one of those two guys and taking back a lesser return. And then it comes down to how many years is it going to take for you to reload to give Quinn Hughes a chance to want to be here beyond the next Two years, so I just don't see a way out via trade. That's an easy solution I think the best solution has always been these guys figuring it out winning enough games and we forget about these distractions

But it's kind of hard to forget about distractions when they keep popping up even when you want a couple of games You're watching and listening to you said Shaw host of Canucks Central, game host for Sportsnet. So I imagine there might be a little disappointment watching, supposedly one of the teams that may have been talking to Jimmy Rutherford and Patrick Alvey in Carolina with their blockbuster trade for for Rantanen. Is that one now team lost and do is there still a focus on the New York Rangers or is it to the point now where, we don't wanna take 60 cents or 75 cents on the dollar,

like you said, and we're just gonna have to learn to all play along nicely in the sandbox here. Yeah, and I wonder, I mean, the only thing I could think of as a rationale for what he said is the point you just made, they realize they can't make the trades and this is kind of last ditch. We're going to lay it all bare, guns blazing, everyone knows what's going on. Here's honesty. It's on these two guys. They're the ones sinking our season and perhaps that jolts them into action and they finally overcome all the strife and an ethic that professionals are supposed

to be considering they're combining for nearly $20 million and and cap hits for both these players. But at the same time, I'm with you as far as the Carolina Hurricanes because I don't really see them being a fit here. Who knows what we're Telsky. I guess you can never, you know, put it past them if you can make some sort of creative deal with one of the two players. But it seems like the reason the Carolina Hurricanes talks took off is because there was urgency on the Carolina Hurricanes part and clearly now based on was urgency on the Carolina Hurricanes part. And clearly now based on the fact that they got ranted in, they got wind of getting ranted in, they started accelerating trade talks with the other teams and players that they

were interested in and ultimately chose to go ranting in. So Carolina had urgency. The Rangers had urgency. They've now won a few games. They're looking a lot better. And based on the reporting from Elliot Friedman, he believes that, you know, for JT and the Rangers, he'd all draft pick and a prospect was certainly something that the connects were perhaps willing to do.

But really what got in the way, according to some other insiders, including Frank Siravalli, was the Rangers asked for retention. And as long as Rangers want a retention on JT, I just don't know how that's going to work out. And if they want retention, is that a GM thing? Is that a club ownership thing? How much you're looking at the money JT's making long-term? So to me, that's an obstacle that has to be overcome first

before you get back to the table, because I don't think the Canucks have any interest in retaining for the next six years on JT. So my question becomes, where is a team right now that has urgency to get ahead of the trade deadline to give the Canucks an earnest offer? Because so far, based on everything we've heard, the Canucks are getting low-balled, as they should.

I mean, they have no leverage. The players are struggling. These guys have big contracts. And teams are trying to get them for $0.50, $0.60 on the dollar. We get to the deadline in a few weeks. Do people put their best cards on the table? Does somebody come out and say, you know what? We want one of these players.

Well, we're going to make an earnest offer. And right now, I just don't see a team that has the urgency to step out of its comfort zone and try to make an offer to the Can right now, I just don't see a team that has the urgency to step out of its comfort zone and try to make an offer to the Canucks that they can actually consider. We'll see where things go with Minnesota because they got Kapri Sob injured and what they're looking to do. But this might be a situation where it's not going to end until the trade deadline. And I'm just unsure that unless some situation pops up, that anybody's really going to make the Canucks an earnest offer to acquire one of their top two forwards in JT Miller and Pederson ahead of the deadline. Do you

see a world where it's not JT Miller? Like it just feels like all the conversation is like we're just waiting for Miller to get traded. Absolutely I mean it could definitely be Pederson I think based on everything that we've heard at this point or considering it and seriously discussing it it's just such a complicated trade to pull off right like the nature's one even nature's as talented as he is, his peak hasn't been Pedersen's peak. Now, Pedersen right now is nowhere near his peak,

but you can talk yourself into Natures perhaps being a top line center, a right-handed center, right? And at least being elite forward, I don't see another elite forward available that somebody's offering for Pedersen. Like even the Sabres, and you know, I know Elliot threw out his proposal of Dylan Cousins and Bowen Byrum for Pederson, like even the Sabres. And I know Elliott threw out his proposal of Dylan Cousins and Bowen Byrum for Pederson.

I don't know if that moves the needle, right? They're interesting players, but maybe a second line center, maybe a second pair of defensemen. And we all know if you want to win in the national hockey, you need elite players. The Cucks have one and Quinn Hughes is playing well. So you have to flip those guys or something elite and Pederson perhaps is your better pathway than JT.

But again, like right now, I just don't see teams really putting the urgency to make that offer. I do wonder if we get to a point where they make something, they do something that we don't expect. Like do they move with Demko? I don't know where all of a sudden, we know Bester in his situation,

if they don't sign him he gets moved out And if you don't move Patterson, you don't move JT Do we see them take another slice out of the core with two other big players by the deadline? Hmm sat in our first hour in our leaf our edition We played the hypothetical game. We'll play it again. Yeah, well, let's play it again. Okay Morgan Riley goes back, lifts his no move for a package that includes JT Miller coming to Toronto. Any chance in your world that that could work out for Vancouver, that they'd be interested in a top four defenceman for JT Miller or do you see a different

balance in a deal? So I do think that would be somewhat intriguing a legitimate right-hand defenseman right and a good leader a guy that I can think come into the locker room I think it provide perhaps. No Morgan's left Morgan's left. Oh sorry left defenseman but very talented defenseman they still need to have some of those guys. I can see that being of some level of interest, but the fact they weren't interested in making a Zabaniadz swap for JT, one for one, makes me wonder if they're still looking at somebody perhaps a little bit younger enough fits in with a long-term vision of the team.

We all know having a centerman is something that they'd certainly want to add to the team as well. They have nobody coming in the wings, right? At least on the back end, Tom Glander was 11th overall pick a couple years ago, playing really well in the NCAA. They have high hopes for him coming up. Elias Pedersen, the defenseman, has played the last couple of games. They have a lot of faith in him long-term. So I think they would prefer to move JT for a center to build around or somebody that can help them acquire a center. Do they get to a point where they feel like they have to make the best deal possible?

And if if Morgan Riley's one of those players, I can see it at least being a consideration for the organization Yeah, it's a fascinating one. We were kicking that around to are you good on the those two fellas? You're ready to move Yeah, no. No, I want I got one more on you And that is Well god I had so many now, they're all kind of, just in terms of if JT Miller is the guy that they ultimately move and then they keep Pedersen, does anybody envision what that world would be like

for Pedersen staying in as the guy that won out of this thing and maybe the pressure that it would put on him or the city to deliver and I mean is it is it still a good scenario for for Pedersen to survive there and move forward or Is it is it so critical on him now moving forward that? You know, it might not be the best scenario actually winning this thing out. Right. Well, I think I don't know if things are going to get any more heated on Pettersson because

I mean, right now he's taking the most heat on our post game shows. I mean, every other text is about Pettersson, every other calls about Pettersson, social media is, you know, just burning the player down left, right and center. And for good reason, right? I mean, he has 59 points in his last 84 games played, including playoffs. It's been rough. And this is a player who's making a lot of money, right? It's not a lot of production.

And he's been good defensively, but you don't pay a guy 11.6 to be a 50, 60 point guy, right? You're talking about you need at least a point per game that you need to add a lot more. I do believe that if you can't get the value in Pederson and it's clear, at least based on what Rutherford said, it seems it's untenable between Pederson and JT Miller long term, then if you move JT out, does it give you a chance to see if the situation changes if you do get the best out of Pederson again? And for the, for this, even the reason of trading him, like let's say you trade JT and he finishes the season on a hot streak, the team makes the playoffs, he plays decently. At least you're in a better leverage position with Pedersen, aren't you, in the off season,

where he's shown he can regain that play, he can show he can play in a different environment. So as far as managing your assets and if you're dead set on trading one of them, then it probably makes sense to move JT and see if you can find a way to get more out of Pedersen, even for the simple fact of upping his trade value. I know I said we would move on, but it's really tough. And I'm going to ask the stupidest question that I feel like we're not allowed to talk about for some reason, but like, what happened? Like, does anyone know? Like, we're all like, ah, he works hard and that guy doesn't, so he's mad at him. And I made that up. I don't know.

What happened? I mean, I don't think any of us, because the thing is nobody's come out and said exactly what the proverbial smoking gun is, right? I mean, you hear different things and you win, but nobody confirms it. So I don't want to go down the rumors you hear about specific incidents that happened or didn't happen. But I think it's really clear that Pederson's been pushed by certain players in the team, I would imagine JT, to do more, that they know he can do more. And I know coming into this season, and when you read between the lines with everything that Rick Taukett spoke about for Pederson coming back to training camp, was we need him to skate more, we need him to just practice a bit harder,

we need to get his conditioning up a little bit. He didn't show up to training camp in bad shape, he obviously, they all passed their physicals and all that, just practice a bit harder. He needs to get his conditioning up a little bit. He didn't show up to training camp in bad shape. Obviously they all passed their physicals and all that, but I don't think he was anywhere near the top of the fitness charts as they had a lot of other players. And JT was at the very top of it and got a lot of praise from the Canucks head coach.

And I think the organization was kind of hoping that Pedersen would have gone to the off season and really worked on his game even more. Now he had 10 to 9s on his knee. He mentioned how that did curtail his training session. So how much of that is he's managing an injury, how much of it is putting the extra work in. So I do think he's been challenged.

And I think part of the challenge has been you need to do more, whether it's on the ice, off the ice, we need more out of you. But how you get that message across, I think is the most important thing. And we all know Ped Patterson is a different personality than JT Miller. And especially in today's athletes

and especially the younger generation, the way you get a message across is really different than how you would get the message across, you know, back in my day. I mean, I'm not even, you know, I'm just 40 now, but even back in my day, it was, you know, you got to yell that a lot and smack around a lot if you weren't following orders.

And that was kind of what you had to do, right? That's not the way you approach things. And I thought it was really interesting listening to Brad Richardson, who was a former teammate. He was on the missing curfew podcast a while back. And he kind of mentioned that when he was a teammate of JT's and Pedersen's, he didn't disagree that, you know, what JT was saying to Pedersen was wrong in order to get him to, you know, find that other level, but his approach to it was not the right one. And it's hard for you to get through to somebody if your approach isn't the correct one.

And I think ultimately that's what it's come down to. Here's a player who's challenging another player, but the way he's gone about it isn't getting respect from the other player. And when you don't have mutual respect, that message doesn't come across. And I just wonder based on everything Rutherford said today too, that as much as they try to move past it, does it just flare up all the time and put them back in square one. Sad, is this soap opera bearing the lead that Quinn Hughes is having one of the best seasons in Vancouver Canuck history? I mean it's honestly a disgrace that this season this team misses the

playoffs with Quinn Hughes playing the way he has. Right. It's an absolute disgrace in a way. So you're talking about the single best season any Canuck has ever had potentially. He's even better than he was last season. Here's a franchise cornerstone league changing player. We're talking about one of the five most impactful players in the national hockey league this season. You might miss the playoffs because two guys can't get along.

It's an absolute joke. It really is. I mean, we're talking about guys who get paid a ton, we're talking about all-stars, we're talking about adults, guys who've been given everything in the world to succeed and you can't get along, you can't be inspired by the guys putting the team on its back who's playing with one hand,

who's fighting through everything humanly possible. It's an absolute disgrace that this year goes to waste and Quinn Hughes hasn't created enough motivation for the group to get its act together. So like is there desperation to like move on and start trying to like turn the page because again season seems salvageable. Yeah I mean I think so right and I want them to win guys like I want to see this team make the playoffs again I mean we've been with sports of 650 since 2017 had one real playoff run and the most successful year of our Station was last year. So trust me that we want playoffs

We want to have yeah have success and coming off the game last night on the postgame show You know, we're we're trying to move the conversation forward fans are starving for it But the noise just keeps popping up and like I said that this one is somewhat self-inflicted now Perhaps Rutherford wasn't anticipating they would win consecutive games because they haven't done so since December 1st and and perhaps you know he wasn't afraid of saying what he needed to say is this gonna be in something else that throws them back but the opportunities there as good as Calgary's been I don't really don't think they're good enough to keep their pace this entire season you're

gonna make the playoffs if you get to 94 95 points and if And if you get your act together, you should be there. And I assume that you ride Lanken in and you know, you're gonna do this right now without Demko, essentially. I think for the most part, and you know, they want to get Demko up to speed again, right? Because they need to have him finding his game, he's under contract next year. But every game's kind of must-win right now and Lanken has been by far the better netminder. And I have faith in Demko, how hard he works, how talented he is. But his game is not where it needs to be right now. And you have to go with

the guy who gives you the best chance to win. And without a doubt, that's Kevin Lankin. Just in terms of Demko, no one's going back to saying he's still hurt or there's still issues saying he's still hurt or there's still issues physically with him. It's that been tucked away and it's just now finding his game. That's what it seems like. There's been no suggestions that he had the back injury. We felt like he had a back spasms, but it was not related to knee everything that we found out. The question ultimately comes down guys to he might be healthy to play, but does he have

the same movement and confidence in his joint to play the way he played and I know Stephen Balliquette can I talk about how his stance is somewhat different now based on where it was last year. Biomechanically after the injury and a pretty unprecedented injury injury for goaltender is he going to be able to find that same level athletically I think that's the biggest question I think is

healthy but does he still have the same mobility and flexibility he had prior to the injury? Last one for me, Seth, and thanks for your time today. Just on Brock Besser, and what do you expect to go down there? What sort of extension would he be looking at? Well, I think Brock is very much looking at something along the lines of Travis Connecting,

and why wouldn't he? You know, he's talking eight years, eight eight million plus and if you look at the scoring rates for best or same draft gear best reaction has slightly better scoring rates five on five and also just overall too so from a statistical standpoint you can certainly drive that price there's no way of the connector signing him to that contract if he wants to be in Vancouver he's gonna have to take significantly less and the question when Vancouver is do they truly want to keep this player and if they're not getting, if they're not going to get close to seven, eight

million per year over seven, eight years, I think this has no chance of happening. And based on everything we've heard with this team right now, and wanting to move forward with the group, are they truly willing to add another long-term contract to a player part of a core who they're clearly dissatisfied with? It's that great stuff on a story that just will not go away in Vancouver. Sorry I had to do that. We'll check in with you periodically as, I don't know, maybe this continues for the next month or not.

God, mercifully not. We do have a trade deadline sneaking up on us. So one way or another, I think we'll figure this thing out. Thanks for doing this. Hey, whatever the topic, always fun chatting with you guys. Thanks for your time. Host of Canuck Central game host for Sportsnet. Yeah, him and Riccio do a great job. Boy, it just that like I wanted to ask about like they've won two in a row. Hughes is awesome. You know, where he didn't hold back when I asked him about like this, this, this storyline, you know, taking away the spotlight off of Quinn Hughes season.

Yeah, that was a great answer. It is. It's a tragedy. He's one of the first D in a long time where it's like that's a heart trophy season or heart trophy contender, particularly in a year where no one's clear cut at the top of the forwards. And it's just like, he's just playing through this, man. He's the captain through all this smoke. He must be so pissed. Yeah, so annoying.

Not that he would want the attention maybe, but just to not just to talk about hockey and the team. Yeah, he's pissed But I'm sure there's a part of him too That just feels as the captain Yeah, that you know, what can I do? I can't what I can't fix this and he's a guy that's I'm sure Why wouldn't he be one of the most confident kind of players around? And yet, you go in there and you feel helpless. How old is JT Miller? 31, 23? Like, really tough to go to a guy like that and say,

hey, stop it. You know, like he's a grown man. He's able to make his own decisions. If in fact, you know, like he's a grown man, he's able to make his own decisions. If in fact, you know, it's definitive that he like, you just don't know where Quinn would lie on like, okay, it's your fault. And it's not your fault. Or it's like, right. I mean, that's where it's kind of tricky.

And I mean, even if you could find out for sure, do you want to? It's like, it's like, it's really none of my business. You guys just kind of like, you know, it's like your neighbors. There's there's lots of yelling next door. And you're like, OK, like kind of like you two before the show. Right. Right. Yeah, kind of. But you know what I'm saying? It's like to the point where.

I don't know. You're right. At some point, you got got to go if you're Quinn Hughes as the captain going back to Alvin or Jimmy Rutherford or talking and said, I tried dog. No, I tried. We tried at the great cup party or we tried last week at dinner and you know, do you think the greatest captain in the world could have fixed this I could mark Massey a have made this go away maybe not the best guy to use situation not a great example for their first well not the

most popular man in Vancouver I can only speak from my experience as a New York Ranger and certainly not one in Vancouver. You know, we can get into that in terms of that never stood a chance to begin with. So, you know, in saying that, I think Mark would have just beaten himself up until it got rectified. And there are times when Mark Messier has gone to management and said We that guy can't be here anymore. We can't win with that guy in that room anymore And it's not an easy thing for him to say or any captain But you you have those are the things that you have to do as a captain because that's your room. That's your responsibility

You are the alpha dog whatever you want to call it But you are the guy that's supposed to be able to fix things in there. Yeah, Hughes doesn't seem like that Big of a presence in that sort of way. I think he's a little more do as I do I can only imagine how much he's grown up through the experience Who knows not resent If it's Patterson, I got I don't know how this harder when we don't know how this thing is gonna play it out But I can guarantee you it's gonna make Quinn Hughes a better captain for it because now you're starting to identify things and

Before where you could probably look at a situation and let it slide You're gonna be a lot more weary the second time around and say, hey, listen, you know what? Can't talk to that guy like that. Or you can't do this and that's not good for our team. Here's where this could go, I've seen it. Yes, and we don't wanna lose that guy. We wanna keep him on our side.

We wanna be able to feel like we've got each other's backs and that we're fighting for each other. You keep beating him down and all you're going to do is get him to turn on us and that's not how we win. So tough situation for Quinn Hughes being a new captain and a guy that is supposed to be large and in charge in that room and it's too big of a beast right now for him. Yeah, two wins in a row for the Canucks by points percentage.

They're a breath out of the second wild card spot. They're going to be alright. The flames just won't go away. You know, they won't. But I mean, they're not shooting in the net very much. Like Dustin Walsh been incredible. Can he drag them all the way there? Maybe, maybe.

But I don't think he believes he does. And that's sometimes a big part of the battle. He's like, we're making it. That's what he's saying. We're going to get in without the official guarantee. There's no question that this guy believes in himself. I'm curious to see if they sell it all at the deadline or what they do. If they just hang on. No, I don't think they can. I don't think they can. But really, like, what is there to sell?

Anderson's not like a sellable asset that you've got to make a hard decision on this year. He's got another year on his deal Cadres locked in Humido is not going anywhere. So what is really left there? Yeah, you're right No, cuz manco mantha. No, yeah, you know, you're right It's game time But my bet three six five visit the app for the studs and find out why several ordinary at bet Three six five must be nineteen plus and Tara only please play responsibly Three Canadian teams in action tonight two of them against each other the Montreal Canadians are hosting the Winnipeg Jets

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Dallas Stars. Vegas Golden Knights are minus 125 on the money line sure Alex Petrangelo play 26 minutes tonight. He's ailments rate. I've heard his ailments. They're just brutal Dallas Stars plus 105 on the money line So there's a little bit of other bit of an underdog and a bit of value in my opinion and the biggest underdog of the night Is the Chicago Blackhawks in Tampa taking on the Lightning. They're plus 325. Tampa minus 425 on the money line. That is a wild number. So there you go.

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Oh yeah. Up when we return to Real Kipper and Born. fan and wherever you get your podcasts. Minnesota Wild Star Kirill the thrill Kaprizov will need surgery on a lower body injury Which will keep him out for at least a month now the wild they're holding well in the central division third but Never a good thing losing your top score. No hanging on And also krills do a big contract, right? Like, everyone thinks that he's now eligible to sign, if I'm not mistaken. Right? We've passed Jan one, he's got one more year. I think he could sign now.

Yeah, that's a good point. I think he is. I wonder if... Let's have him check on our little cap friendly or wages or whatever you call it What would you like me to check? Correll does he have actually a one more year? Before he goes ufa. Yeah for sure because if he was ufa we'd know about it Yeah, he'd be so curious because they did say they would spend basically any dollar amount asked of them So he didn't he didn't get the ranting and treatment. That's for sure. No, no, no kidding. He's got next year

at 9 million. But I think that would make him eligible now. Yeah, might be a good time for Kirill because they're gonna be shutting down in what less than two weeks for the four nations. Yeah, like he's not gonna miss a ton of hockey. Right. Sounds like something he'll be able to return with lots of season left so that's good for them. So if Kirill was playing in the Four Seasons...Four Seasons...Four Nations... You love the Four Seasons. I really want to book a room at the Four Seasons. That's what it is. If he was playing in the Four Nations, would surgery be a good excuse to miss the tournament? Oh, I think we would probably green like that No judgment here if you need surgery. What is okay? Where's your judgment anywhere else? Can I ask you?

I mean we talked pretty I mean I Buried Petra and old yesterday. You guys were a little nicer than I was but what have you heard anything about like reaction to this? Yeah, it's not sitting well with some other hockey clubs, I think because- So, sorry, Vegas. Vegas. It's not just Petrangelo, Team's Earth.

Well, listen, I think it's, I think for sure, it's a collective decision between Alex and the hockey club too, and I think a lot of teams feel a lot more pressure than Vegas does to make their stars available for this because every single one of them can use that same ailment excuse. Love our veteran to get some rest.

But wanna get ready for a big push to the Stanley Cup. It's like, well, no kidding. So does everybody else. Like the Leafs would love for Austin Matthews to rest for two weeks. Quinn Hughes, come on, like keep going. Yeah. Right?

Everybody would love to get ready for the Stanley Cup playoffs. And you see Jarvis's comments today? No. They asked him, what position are you going to play? Who are you going to play with? He's like, I'll play F and write D if they ask me to. Did you drop an F-1?

You sure did. I don't care. You put me anywhere. I'll play it. And that's... Canadians are like, love him! Seth Jarvis fan! Petros out. You mentioned rival teams. The one that I think about the most in this situation is the Edmonton Oilers who, if you want to make it to the Stanley Cup final, are probably going to have to go through the Las Vegas Golden Knights at some point, or the Vegas Golden Knights. And you're going to need 50 points from Connor in the postseason or whatever. And so the Oilers are like, okay, so we have to send our best guy for, who's going to be the face of the whole thing, he's going to have to do a million interviews, he's going to have to send our best guy for who's gonna be the face of the whole thing.

He's gonna have to do a million interviews. He's gonna have to play, like he's gonna be the most- And in Kip's words, there's just gonna be cameras everywhere. He's gonna be the most important guy. She hates. And we have to send him. But Petrangelo has an ailment and he's the top defenseman for our bitter rival,

but he doesn't have to go. I'd be so pissed about his oilers. So pissed. Was it you, JB, that said the other day that he'll get It'll get replaced by Evan Bouchard and then Bouchard will get hurt That's a night, you know the other thing too is this is like even baffles me is Why do you announce it like now if you're gonna announce it do

it right in the dead weeks from now hold the shoe a little later way later like hey we're getting close and I'm still not right I just can't go it's a it's a it's a way easier sell crazy to be like a month from now. I'm not ready now Playing 22 minutes a night, right? so The timings is baffling as Me maybe more than the decision. Oh my god, Petra Andrews last three games Which were three games in four nights in this past week 25 minutes 23 minutes 24 minutes boy I'd kill for that ailment.

That's a good ailment, boy. Pretty important guy. Anyway, I resent it a little bit. Yep. Well, I think that you're probably not the only one. I'm going to make a case tonight on the television that Chris Tanev should get a spot. No. Yes, I am.

Cabo. The Leafs don't want that. Cabo. I'm not the Leafs. Right? I just, you know, you look at the potential replacements and... But if he wants to go, you can't tell him no when you're sending Mitch Marner there. No. And that goes with any other... Mitch plays 23 a night and kills them.

Situation. Yeah. Right? I don't know who they... but I know they had him fairly high up on the the list of guys that they liked When they were making the decisions the first go-around but there'll be enough guys I think to push hard like There's no hiding Seth Jarvis's Excitement no right thrilled. There's I hope the guys put on a good show. That's all I'm pumped I'm pumped about it pumped

I'm really really I mean listen love God love Sweden. God love Finland What Saturday night Bell Center, you know just maybe even go to an establishment boys watch that game against the states That's as good as it gets like that's real. I'm thrilled really excited Yeah, and I think I led by Connor McDavid No saying how thrilled he is They'll put on a good show sit. It will be landed. It will be led by McKinnon. Yeah So what was you said some of a Pittsburgh? Well Fenway group? There's a They're gonna put

they're gonna put part of their hockey club up for sale and maybe even more if there's an attractive number it seems like everything's gone not haywire but it's been well established by many NHL owners that Tampa Bay Lightning were evaluated at roughly $2 billion and there's some cash to be getting out of that team. It's like flipping a home, right? They like, well, they buy the team three years ago. They just bought it, but valuations have been going so high so fast that I'm sure they see

an opportunity to maybe retain some stake in it while making back the money they already put in. Allow me to take the low-hanging fruit They saw two years of doobish under the team like we're out The future there and go whoo, we don't have a general straight superstar here this could get bleak is it even worth mentioning the the ripple effect of ranting and has led some to believe or talk about Sidney Crosby I'm saying

moved well on Friday night in the whole hootenanny that was going on with all those guys getting traded and Annie was hooted it was there was some rumblings and I believe it was Kevin Weeks who all those guys getting traded. And then he was hooting. It was, there was some rumblings and I believe it was Kevin Weeks who sent out the tweet with the picture of the Pittsburgh skyline.

With the eyeballs. With the eyeballs. In the middle of everybody being super horned up about all these trades and they're making space. Turns out it was part of a sale. Good timing by Kevin, everybody got a lot of eyeballs on that. But, you know, them freeing up space in the Sid and Nate connection and the crappy penguins

losing to the sharks. It's gotta be multiple. You can't help but draw some lines here. I had said that I thought what will happen is the penguins will refuse to roll over, they'll win enough to get in that little mix, they'll even buy at the deadline, they'll miss by a point or two, they'll hold on and you're way off way off last three games

They played I would say the teams that I consider three of the four worst in the league ducks crack and sharks And they lost five one four one and two one Almost beat the Sharks. So like it's over They are now just ahead of the Buffalo Sabres in the Eastern Conference and that is dead last nice Oh, there's another one ahead. That's right. There are seven ahead of the Sabres who are last so There is a chance they will be one of the few teams with lottery balls to draft a generational talent I don't know if Schaeffer's that or Hogan's or whatever, but they could Be bad enough if they want to admit they're bad

so whether or not they're bad. So whether or not they're selling a portion of this team or perhaps more, like this could be one of the worst times to sell to sell for Pittsburgh. I mean, I don't know about that. Like do you need to be winning for them to see what the value is? What are the what assets are you buying? I don't know about that. Like do you need to be winning for them to see what the value is? What are the what assets are you buying you're buying? Crosby at the end of his career you're buying

Malkin and LaTang at like seven million bucks and they're at the end of their careers Prospects yeah, they've got a building that's half empty now. Like I'm thinking discount. Oh, is this your guy getting in now? No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying, no, like what would a new owner have to look forward to at Sydney, at the end of Sydney Crosby? There's 32 franchises. They come available once every few years to get a little piece of one I You're in the league. I get all of that, but there's also

Assets that come with a purchase. Oh, you're not they are no peak But the it's not coming with a nice shiny toy. No, it's certainly not I don't know many franchises that sell when you're about to get the Stanley Cup. It's I would also say that They are two seasons away from being the least attractive team to buy in the league in terms of two away Like I mean, they will they still have look at where they're in this time No, but like you still have Sidney Crosby on the team You still have a getting Malcolm that you still have the the idea of some superstars on your team But their contracts are up soon.

Once they're gone, it's scorched earth, bad for a long time. You know, they have a ton of picks and they have a chance to bottom out and grab a good player. Like if they admit they're bad now, it would be awesome for them. It's the best thing they could do

is look in the mirror and go god We suck they cannot they straight kept this they cannot trade Sydney Crosby It's well, no unless it wants to get trade you can't be trade Malkin the decision is a Carlson The decision was made in the summer. Okay, if you're gonna know him in here you would have moved if they move him now Everybody should be fired on the spot for not being able to figure it out in the summer and embarrassing him in In January. Yeah, this is not fun for sit Not fun at all. Plus he's you know, it's probably move into ownership the moment he retires Maybe sit'll buy a piece right?

So imagine player owner. He's like I wish I didn't take a 50% discount every year I played so just like do the Tom Brady thing where he's just immediately in ownership and runs the whole show I Think it's there if he wants it owns 1% of the team I gotta tell you he wants it like this doesn't seem like the type of guy that's just gonna disappear does it? But but wouldn't like I would he could be a Joe Sackick there. Yeah No, no one's listening with ownership. Hey, he really wanted time self-delivered in Pittsburgh I have been in Pittsburgh a long time enjoyed my time, but there's there's a nice there's ownership in play Right offered by ownership, but how would that work? Do you do some in his current contract? No, you're not allowed to do that according to the CBA.

Yes, you can have a piece of dust in your eye. Yeah. Right? Think about it. Maybe when you're done. First of all, this guy spent his whole career never the highest paid guy in the league. Think about that for a second. He's like, hey, I'm going to play for eight, seven.

I'm worth 16. So let's work something out after to reimburse me that. How about that? It just, you know, there's obvious biases with watching a dubious team fail and me being happy about it. They're minus 40 goal differential, the second worst team in the Eastern Conference.

But I love Sid. Sid's my favorite hockey player of all time. I favorite maybe athlete of all time. And now we have to watch him Wallow away on the worst team in the league like this sucks We were excited because they were gonna be in a playoff conversation and they were gonna be fighting and now this just okay sucks Listen, it's it's not a new conversation. I know we've had this conversation We're excited because they're decent. Therefore, Sid had this conversation. I know Kip. And he chose to stay. Totally get it. And that's on Sid

too. 100%. No denying that. It just sucks for the millions and millions of Sid fans in this country who aren't going to get to see him play relevant hockey for the rest of his career. He's still really good. He's unbelievable. Really, really good. Like he's just not going to play another another if he stays with Pittsburgh He will never play another relevant NHL game again The legacy of being a one Jersey player, is it worth not competing for a cup? When you're still really good. Yeah, I Don't know and it's really tough because you don't want anyone to be to blame you don't want to tarnish your legacy Which you're gonna live on for all the years after that

You don't want anyone to be to blame. You don't want to tarnish your legacy, which you're going to live on for all the years after that. I guess that's a pretty good career. Well, yeah. Does he want to just do this? Scenarios were answered when he resigned this summer and the answer was yes. Yes. Yes.

I'm okay. I'm okay. Yes. I'm okay. I'm okay. No one ever believes when they're elite players that they're going to be bad. I don't think Sid thought they were going to be just ahead of the Sabres for 15th in the conference. He didn't see this coming.

Well, it's gonna be fun to watch him play with David. He might be just full of energy. He might be very good, cause he is very good. All right. We'll wait two weeks from now. Sid Crosby, Connor McDavid, teammates. Can't wait. Our thanks to Brad May in our Leaf Hour edition of our show

and Sat Shah from Canucks Central in our national hour. Enjoy your game tonight. We're back here tomorrow. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. It's the Real Kipper & Bourne Show.