Real Kyper & Bourne - Catching Lightning in a Bottle

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee kick it off with the Leafs' comeback victory over the Lightning in Game 4 last night, Kerfoot's game-winner, William Nylander looking dangerous on the first line, Vasilevskiy's uncharacteristic struggles, if/where Michael Bunting fits into the lineup and Knies' potential.  They are joined by Colby Armstrong (45:38), who delves into Samsonov's stellar play, why the Leafs feel different this season, their blueline strength and Ryan O'Reilly setting the tone. Later, former NHLer Garry Valk shares memories of the postseason and scoring the series-winning goal for the Leafs in the 1999 Eastern Conference semifinal (1:05:55). Then, Louie DeBrusk shares his thoughts on the scrappy series between the Oilers and Kings, the Oilers' goaltending situation, how the Kings have controlled McDavid and LA's advantage with their depth (1:18:41). They close with a look at some of the top stories and playoff action around the league.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

This is Real Kipper and Born on Sportsnet 590 The Van. Just prior to coming on air, I looked at my co-host here, JB, and I said, Oh, this is going to be a fun show. For the next two hours, we will try to explain what the hell we witnessed in the last ten minutes of the toronto maple leafs and the tampa bay lightning and we won't come up with anything i mean the only pre-show prep we've done is look each other and go wow wow the toronto maple leaves rally from a 4-1 deficit. Ten minutes left in the hockey game to stun the Tampa Bay

Lightning and take a 3-1 lead in the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Derek Brandeo, David Sissboomba, and Sammy McKee, who was so excited last night after the game,

he took a three-way personal conversation between the three of us, and he tweeted it to the world. He did. Without my permission. I made sure there was no numbers in there. I cut out all the stuff that would get us in trouble, and I just made you look like the biggest smarty pants in the world, Mr. Kiprios. Calls the Alex Kerfoot game winner.

If we don't get Alex Kerfoot an endorsement with Flex Seal, we have not done our jobs here. So true. If you're his agent, it's a good thing. Kip can get soup commercials. The boys can get skip the dishes and what's Ryan O'Reilly doing now?

I don't know, but we can't get in for Kerfoot. You know, Kerfoot, it's a compliment, right? Anywhere you got a problem, they'll take care of it. Short term. Man, he's having a tough time with words. I really, I don't even know really what to say about that.

That's just so on Leafs. Like everything that I've come to expect from the Toronto Maple Leafs in my life, that was the exact opposite. The easy way to cope, seal, and stop leaks fast. And you know what was the best part about that? And I was in the press box when the Boston Bruins did the exact same thing to the Leafs. Oh, no.

To knock them out, right? And everybody's got their story and their script. You're right. That's the best part. Okay? And they're locked in. Some were heading to the uh the elevator that night in boston to go downstairs to for post-game reaction people bought tickets for the next

series against the rangers like flights to go there was it you that also sent a note to us saying like how close you were to to ripping them last night oh yeah yeah. So you had your script all set. You do your Leaf talk with Sammy and JD, right? Yeah, loaded, I should say. You guys went out there. You did it again last night? Yeah, we went. And you had your narrative all set, right? Well, after two periods, yeah, it was taking shape.

Trade Marner, trade Matthews. Start over. Right? One of the texts in the group chat was. Nylander stupid, bad penalties. Yeah. Tavares too slow. Yeah.

Matthews couldn't get it done when it counts. It was, you know, Keefe can't make adjustments. It was, one of them was trade everyone and build around 23 before he gets the losers pink on him. By the way, these are all ingested, but it was going to be a little bit, it's going to be quite a negative show. Today isn't, you know, you talk about being in the press box

and you talk about writers and narratives. This is what writers like to call a rewrite. Yeah. This is an absolute rewrite. Where this, like, I think they would have deserved every bit of scorched earth that that was coming their way after their performance for the first two periods yesterday like the for the

maybe not the second i thought they did play better in the second period but that first period just confirmed what everybody thought about this team like i sent out a tweet talking about how like anyone who's surprised by this hasn't been following the team people were and rightfully so because that's what they do in this game they always lose that game last night always they've been in four previous game fours up to one and lost them all it is a spot they always lose fellas and what about you it's a crazy game uh i'm i'm always nervous on three goal leads you know and when i grew up it was that was it three goal leads right the worst lead in hockey right so which is always what but yes edmonton against la the night before leafs against Tampa last night. And both with incredible offense, in terms of guys able to do that.

Dreisaitl, McDavid, Marner, Matthews. So, yeah, I get it. I get where the momentum was going. But with the game, the way it's opened up now, and the team's ability to be fearless to the in the middle of the ice see that's the big difference for me when i played it's like nobody nobody went through the middle of the ice unless they were a thousand percent now these guys are all day long and uh i think it just started with the TJ Brody pass. It did. Up the middle of the ice for the first time.

They attacked in an area where they weren't shut down. It was a backhand stretch to Nylander who dropped it to Garner who one-touched it to Matthews. Everyone's strengths were highlighted at once. Floodgates open. Yeah, and I will say that puck goes in. I had already liked how they were playing in the third period, but when that puck goes in, two-goal lead, 10 minutes left minutes left i you know what's the the internet meme of sitting up in your

chair with the video game controller i was paying more attention at that point yeah i i gotta be honest i fully fully believed when they scored the second goal yeah i was right back into they can win this game they can come back i it just comes down to the lack seemingly of trust in their all-world goaltender that it just he's not he's been human and they the leafs know that they can shoot five past him every night so i as soon as that second one goes in their tails are up they're all over him we'll get into vasilevsky we'll get into samsonov let's go to sheldon Keefe for our first Kippers Clipper on Flex Seal. Alex Kerfoot. He's an important player for the group.

He's a very popular guy. Guys love him all the way through the team. He's been here. He's been here and he's been through some battles with the group. At times, things haven't gone great for him. At times, he hasn't been happy with his play. His production this year was below the standard that he would like it to be at and that we think he's capable of.

The message was just to encourage him to stay positive and stay with it and keep doing good things and keep helping the team. And I told him at that time, I felt pretty strongly that he was going to score a massive goal for us this season. And didn't know when it was going to come. But I just felt the guy that works as hard as he does and as good as he is for the leadership and the spirit of our team, it's the kind of guy that usually gets rewarded and should get rewarded.

So I was thrilled that he was the guy to get it done tonight. He shares the scars, the cord, right? And he did get rewarded, took 86 games this year, but it's there for sure and it's not that i dislike alex kerfoot because he is he's a bona fide nhler he's one of the better skaters in the league i work he's not smart he's not he's not doing what a cologne could do and he's not even doing what matthew nize can do now no but mid he's one of those guys that he's not changing the the tone or the pace of a game but he can find himself in the right place at the right time that's what happened last night he can do enough of everything

he's a smart player you know like he doesn't he doesn't hurt them very often which is why he's flexial right you're like okay well this guy's not going to hold them back you know like he doesn't he doesn't hurt them very often which is why he's flexial right you're like okay well this guy's not going to hold them back you know if they're a defensive line he can kind of play some defense offensive he can kind of do that so yeah i think that's a good message from the coach for a guy who has 10 goals this season to say hey yeah you know we we still believe in you and they showed that they believe in him with the way they use them. I'm telling you, between what we just heard from Sheldon, his greatest strength is inside that room. And you need guys. Yeah, Kerfoot.

He's so likable and so popular in that room that that sort of stuff matters this time of year. A lot of guys have come and gone. He hasn't. I won't underestimate it. If he was a prick, if he was just a bad teammate, that guy would have been gone a long time ago. There's nothing in his game that said,

we need to put up with this because he's so good on the ice. No, it's the opposite. Yep, I agree. And so I think he's a nice story that he gets the winner. But to me, he's a very small story from the game right like oh yeah you talk about the the storylines of that game you know you get the vintage austin matthews game you've been dying to have you get a goalie who holds you in there in the last minute you get a team that now has to believe when they're down

goals in games that this is doable like they're not going to roll over now knowing hey we've done this before i think that builds confidence for you know what you hope is is not just a one you know a three game run here of wins all right let's go to sheldon keith on uh what was the feeling going into the third period down 4-1? The message in the third period for going into the third was just to not go away, stay with it. You know, you're not necessarily at that point thinking that you're going to come back in the game. It's more like you want to just stay there and give yourself a chance

to come back in the game versus just going away and moving on to the next one. So I just push the guys to stay with it and have a positive period, seek to win the period. And once you do that, you start chipping away, you have a chance. So credit to the group, the spirit of the group carrying us through to come back in this fashion is outstanding to witness and be a part of.

What's even more remarkable about that third period is that you started it on a four-on-three withccabe in the penalty box like that had like go look at the percentages of four on three goals compared to five on four goals it's actually higher oh yeah and like way higher than way higher yeah like i'll just say it's higher than five on three oddly too but that that is that had five one written all over it did. And they didn't get it. And that's the one that they needed for the nail in the coffin. For sure. And they missed it.

They missed it. And all of a sudden, the Leafs, you know, switch lines up and we can talk about whether they should stay with the line changes they made, but they get Nylander out there

with Marner and Matthews. We talked about that. That makes it 4-2 for them. You know, the guy, they've been waiting to shoot in the net. I'm totally the guy that can call out Sheldon on missing opportunities for changing things up, adjusting. Give him full credit here because in tampa tavaris and neilander were hurting the ball club actively you know how many minutes neil under played last night

15 less 14 in an overtime game tavaris i don't actually know yeah under 16 maybe um yeah i'll put up like those are low low low low you know why because can't use them yeah no they weren't giving him anything till the third was 17 30 17 30 for willie no for tavaris with 539 of that coming on the power play yeah and willie was 1420 he's on pp so that was the line that was absolutely killing the leafs yeah you can't you couldn't play them against anybody against tampa without them feeling the heat yeah they switch it up they finally get some rhythm and what's so great what i thought great, is those goals start going in, 4-2, 4-3, Willie backdoor to Matthews for that tip. I thought their reactions to the goal were good.

Wasn't a lot of double pump, point at the crowd, salute. It was like taking care of business. There was an energy there that I found really encouraging, like next one, next one, next one, like a soccer team pulling the ball out of the net and run into center with it yeah not much celebration on 4-2 or 4-3 from matthews on the second one yeah that had more to do with the fact that they were probably really pissed off that they were in that position for sure you're right there's no question but i thought

even on this one where it made it yeah there3. Yeah, there's not much to celebrate, though, you know? Yeah, still feels good. But I get it. Still feels good to shoot it in the back. You know, it would... Do they act the same way if they went up 3-1 or 4-1? No. Then it's business. If the Leafs score those goals to go up 3-1, 4-1?

Yeah, you celebrate differently, for sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Maybe it's just the fact that they just knew that the hole was dug so deep well that's it it's like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter until it matters and you score and chip away like that i thought that was a mature response from them and in about 35 40 minutes colby armstrong former nhler sportsnet hockey analyst and now co-host

of chicklets game notes will be joining us joining us. We'll get his thoughts. And in the second hour, Gary Volk, remember that name? Oh yeah. Now him and flex seal are like together forever. I love it. Leaf history.

Yeah. So one of those overtime goals you cannot forget. So we'll have Gary Volk in the second hour as well. And then Louie DeBrus to round things out on our show today, goals you cannot forget so we'll have gary valk in the second hour as well and then louis de brus to round things out on our show today as we t up edmonton and la um in the meantime let's uh go back on sheldon keefe's comeback last night and the killer instinct that has eluded them in previous years? Yeah, I mean, it's a hard thing. I don't really know what killer instinct is. I don't really know what that is, if it's a tangible thing or not.

It's sort of a made-up term that describes a team that gets good results and gets it done, right? We're trying to be that. But we're still trying to find our way. We did it dramatic ways here these last couple nights, and I think that can only help the spirit of our team even more. Yeah, that's a good observation. It's like if you win, they say you have it.

We're just trying to win here. But didn't you feel for the first time in a long time with this core that that overtime was a killer instinct overtime where they had all the momentum, obviously, from coming back down from 4-1. Yeah. But they absolutely took it to Tampa in that overtime. I have a different feel on killer instinct for me.

To me, I get to see it Thursday. Not playing with house money at 4-1. You got everything to gain and nothing to lose at that point. Well, no, I'm not talking about them coming back. Once it gets to overtime, it's still one shot away for Tampa. Yeah, that's fair. In overtime, they kick the crap out of tampa listen the the sale was going their way yeah right i mean that the current it was all shaped up for that

you want to talk killer instinct let's go to thursday here don't need to go back to florida don't need the wear and tear you assume assume that Boston's going to close out Florida. They're resting after that. You need to be now closing things out. Yeah. Thursday, that's the killer instinct. Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more.

Thursday is a massive test for what everyone is saying, a different Leaf team here. I mean, we can get into it with keith but he mentioned this team feeling different four or five times during his 10 minute post game presser after the game last night the way it truly is different if you come home on home ice in game five and you take care of business that's how you really measure it being different right yeah okay we'll go ahead so there's just so everyone knows we are going to get to the bunting discussion about what to do next we'll get there after this but i did want to ask you about you know vasilevsky and the guy who has been the

bounce back goaltender of the generation and giving up 19 goals through four games, what you see, the Leafs aren't getting a ton of great A's, but they're scoring. All right. Definitely want to get into Vasilevsky, but let's, first and foremost, I want to go to Cooper first on Vasilevsky, and then we can

react to it. But Sammy, I got to ask you on a personal note. Yes. the feeling you had today clipping john cooper sound today you must have felt like you gave birth today that would be a bad i feel probably feeling tired if that was the case um it was listen today's audio because he talked last night after the game and then he spoke today and today he was very john cooper-y like he was himself but the post-game stuff from last night he was it was pretty sweet i gotta be honest with you he gave the leafs a ton of credit he didn't really have a ton of answers he didn't talk for so long he was confused about the chair talked

about how he hated the chair when he was sitting down. The man was flustered after that game and I don't get many chances to have flustered John Cooper in my life. I liked it a lot. So to answer your question, I loved it. Yeah, I bet you did. Do you want to go straight to Vasilevsky? Very much so. This is the one I want. Let's go to John Cooper on his

star goalie. What has been wrong? I don't know what's been wrong with Vasilevsky's performance. If I look through this series, the Marner goal in game two, for sure wants to have back. But then after that, like realistically,

like what do you, what are we saying? He's done wrong. Other than make all the saves he's supposed to um he's you know you look at last night like you could i don't know who you're putting who's stopping the achari tip nobody's stopping that and who's stopping the matthews tip nobody's stopping that um the riley goal the third one like we come off our check and completely screen our goalie and who the winning goal who's at kerfoot's like who's stopping that so i don't know like i don't know no goalie in the league take any goalie take the best

goalies in the history of the game they're not stopping any of those i mean he's going to the mat for vassie yeah listen yeah you wouldn't expect anything less no you wouldn't the over uh the game tire by ryan o'reilly those don't go in on him in previous playoff years yeah and didn't like the the morgan riley search which leads us to a healthy discussion on uh that information last night yeah uh from uh head coach of the Red Wings, Derek Lalonde, who was guest on Hockey Night in Canada on the panel. And I found that whole exchange like, I don't know if the word's fascinating,

but I was really surprised at Derek. Sharing the information. Yes. Do you want to play it now? Yeah, let's go to it because it affects Vasilevsky. One thing, actually, we did a study back in the day. He was one of the lower percentage goalies in finding pucks from the points. We actually changed our entire D zone, and we've improved our pass rush.

But yeah, not him. Yeah. Wow. They rebuilt their D zone coverage to protect him against what they saw as a weakness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if I'm the Tampa Bay Lightning, I got a real problem with Derek today.

Yeah. Listen, I feel bad saying it, but I do too. I agree with you. You know, like I love the information. It's unbelievable information. That is an amazing piece of information. It is great information. It's great for Hockey Night in Canada. It's great for the viewers.

But it sucks for him that he's put himself in a position to go share like information that really teams want classified. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, what's really interesting is, so I was digging through some of the numbers today. The Leafs in the regular season are,

or four, sorry, 17th in screenshots. So that, you know, middle of the pack team and getting screenshots and 14th in shots that lead to rebounds, like screenshots, sorry, that lead to rebounds. They're number one in the playoffs in screenshots, screenshots for goals, screenshots that lead to rebounds. Like they have made a concerted effort to be in front of them and you know they likely are aware of what this weakness may be maybe some things i also think it's hard to get to the inside with the puck so against tampa bay who protects the house really well this is one of the ways they can fight back is to sift them through and get in front of vasilevsky they have

eight screened goals in four games in defense of And in defense of Derek Lallone, who's doing a good job, the Leafs know this. It's not like you don't think they're analytics. They're internal analytics. They know this for sure. Yeah, they know it. But no one else knows about it, though. Was Keith asked about this, too?

Yeah, he got asked about this this morning. He got asked because some reporter watched Derek last night and heard it and ran down to bring it up. It was Dave McCarthy that asked from NHL.com. So he asked him about it. And Sheldon said... Do you want to hear it? Yeah, absolutely.

Just click a few buttons and determine the results of such a thing. So, of course, we have that type of information available to us. And you look at that. But, I mean, despite that, it's a world-class goalie. And, you know, that's the reality of it. But certainly for us, the more we can get to the net makes it hard on anybody. There's not many bullies in the league that really excel in with traffic and pucks coming through with bodies and deflections

it's it's a really difficult thing um and it's just the reality of the time of the year if you want to generate offense so when there's not a lot happening you've got to be able to get get some of those pucks through there you get two teams that are defending real hard uh both teams haven't given up much even when when either team is carrying play significantly there hasn't been an abundance of scoring chances going either way so that's just uh that's just part of it see and i do have an article coming out on this topic tomorrow we all watch vasileski closely but to have the data that proves that vasileski really is not one of the better goalies through that type of traffic to me is like a great piece of information for everybody around the league and again if if derrick was just an analyst and he wants to go and talk about his previous experience and lay it out there, that's fine.

He's still the head coach of the Detroit Red Wings. He still competes against Vasilevsky and Tampa during the regular season in the division. To go share that type of information as a head coach of Detroit, I think he crossed the line a little bit yeah i don't know i don't know how to feel about it because it's you know as a viewer it's great it's interesting you know maybe uh those guys will have some sort of disagreement about it whether it's tampa baby and like hey man well could you not do that needless regardless of all this vasilevsky is absolutely killing tamp. And it's just not something. I don't even think it's him.

So this thing I'm doing for, it's like the NHL puck and player tracking, AWS stuff, like he's square on everything. There's just bodies in the way. So you know what this is to me, guys? Yeah. This is Tampa's D being weakened. And that's where it's showing up. You know, is it, can Matthews do what he did to Radish?

Can he do that to Chernak or to McDonough or to Jan Ruda? Can all these guys just park there and tip and screen? It's the first place in the series I'm like, this is where Tampa's soft and D is hurting them. Toronto's living in front of the net. Just like, it is so abundantly clear right now. They have no confidence in Vasilevsky at the level that they've been accustomed to. Yeah.

And there are pucks going through him. And God, before Riley Sif's went in for the OT, he is human, guys. He is absolutely human. And the Leafs are feeding off of it right now. Yeah. Like, when that 4-2 goal goes in, you can just watch Tampa tighten up immediately. Like, they're not a team that usually does that.

They have trust in their goaltender. They can play on the front foot. They can play that heavy in the offensive zone game where they're not as worried if one goes down the other way. They played scared that whole third period when that first one goes in. Which, to me, shows a team that team that like Toronto's been so passive. They don't want to make the big mistake and that's working to Tampa's

advantage. Like it's when they're chasing the game and desperate and being aggressive that it shows in their defense. And that's why I think Kipper, your point about game five killer instinct is key. Can you go take it to a team and not go out and hold your sticks and hope it goes right. Go take it to a team and not go out and hold your sticks and hope it goes right? Go take it to them.

I wonder if we went back to January and Cooper went through the tape of games since January. How many of them looked like that third period? You think a lot? A lot. Yeah. And it's been an issue. And this is not something that has snuck up on Cooper, Vasilevsky, or the hockey club.

There is something fundamentally wrong with this team in the back half of the season. We do have Cooper on the difference in the game or if they sat back in the third. Do you want to listen to Cooper on if they sat back in the third period? Absolutely. I don't know. It was, like, I didn't think we were sitting back

we just you know their first one they scored was complete we just got way out of our structure and gave up a rush we should have never gave up um and then in the end couldn't kill a penalty and seeing i single goes in the third and all of a sudden you're down. Did we probably, you know, what's that cliche, play not to lose? Yeah, I mean, you can look at that now. Guys were trying. I think we were just, you know, maybe there was a little bit of mindset of,

you know, we'll just close this one out, but obviously Toronto had different ideas, and, you know, good for them. it's tough to come back on the road and in a playoff game and they did and um gotta give them credit for it wow good for them did you hear it i heard it should we play it again good for them i heard good for them yeah i usually get that in the handshake line i don't know in a playoff game and did, and got to give them credit for it. I got to ask you this, Kipper. Is that, like, is the Leafs' prior reputation benefit them in that third period?

Because how many times do they just absolutely go away in that game where they go down a couple more, they stop playing, they don't have the same intensity and it looked to me like tampa thought the Leafs were going to go away you know yeah that to me just speaks of the guy the previous runs the disappointments and the the fact that sometimes it really can play in your favor when it's us against the world. I really believe in that philosophy in a room.

You know, we've all been there and going, come on, boys. We got everything to gain. Let's shove it up there. You know what? Okay. Screw them. It's just us in here. Yeah.

I think that's what happened last night yeah which is such a you know breath of fresh air as sammy's been using as an expression for this team but you know to cooper's point about their mindset and playing not to lose just kind of hanging on run the game out we do have a clip from brandon haggley got interviewed between the second and third period on sportsnet and it sounded like the game was over to haggle like they had done their job and taking care of business in game four this is the full period of play uh to go here haggle they are pretty much doing the same thing i'm not surprised the score is four one going to the third period i mean we thought last game we played good enough

to uh win that game um knew we had to just step it up a little bit more and we did that and uh results kind of going our way. He's pretty confident. Yeah, but it's not horrible. No, it's not. You guys are making too big of a deal. I listened to that in real time. I was watching that. That sounds like a post-game interview.

Yeah, I'm not surprised the score is 4-1. It's a hell of a thing to say in a playoff game, Kip. We weren't surprised. With the way they've played and the way the Leafs were playing, who was surprised? Yeah, but you don't expect them to say it. Saying I'm not surprised the score is four. That, to me, is the perfect exemplification. Is that a word?

Example works. Example? Yeah, I was like, I don't know if I'm going there. But of the mentality I was just talking to you about. They thought it was over. They blew it. Yeah not i'm not arguing that but so did the whole hockey world but we can think that tampa is a championship pedigree team who salts that game away 10 times out of 10 yeah and they absolutely blew it yeah you know and

hegel should have said if you've watched this since January, there's a lot of hockey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've proven that we can blow this. Okay, we would be blowing it if we don't save a little time to do the bunting chat. Yeah. Is he in? I don't, like, it's not even a discussion. Oh, it's a discussion because you're about to be wrong.

You think they're putting him back in? No, I don't, but I think they should. No. Hard no. Do we need to take a drug test or something today? I've been through that, bud. I don't want to run sales on your book, but do we need to get you...

The ankle bracelet's not on camera. Yeah. Okay, please explain well you got a guy who has scored i don't know how many points over the past two years 100 points plus for the toronto maples and he's played in the top six with austin matthews and mitch marner on the very important part of this team for two years now has had a ton of success he uh was in your lineup to start the series because you believe he gives you the best chance available of your guys um and he is once again available so if you believe he's a part of what makes up your best

group then you put him back in the lineup you don't be superstitious like a goon because we win so we you put the best team on the ice. And who's coming out for him? I don't know. Aston Reese, Lafferty, Yarncroft, if you like. Yeah, you got me more on the side of Yarncroft. I'll think about Yarncroft. Not Aston Reese or Lafferty?

No. No. That fourth line's been good. Aston Reese hits Lafferty? No. No. That fourth line's been good. Aston Reese hits people. He does. And he's heavier than I've seen him all season long. So, no. We got a problem here.

Yarn Croc, I don't, I'm not. He hasn't been very good. No, and hasn't been very good no it hasn't been very good but i don't think that you take the momentum off of two wins in tampa bay and go make major changes like that that to me to put him in means that he's gonna play with austin right you're not gonna put him back in and say be a fourth liner and go hit. That's not what he does. Unless Austin goes into that office yesterday or today and says, I want 58 back on my line, I'm not sure that's happening. Bring me the guy who gets me in scrums and can't finish. I'm kidding.

To me, the reason I don't want him back in this series is this is going to be such i feel like this game is going to be a tight game game five and he already absolutely killed you in game one with an idiotic penalty in a big spot yeah and maybe took out one of their best defensemen that may or may not have really helped them have a 3-1 lead in this series but that's beside the point tampa also wants to kill him how does that affect game five i just don't i don't i don't one of their best defensemen that may or may not have really helped them have a 3-1 lead in this series. But that's beside the point. Tampa also wants to kill him. How does that affect game five? I just don't trust him. If we went back a couple of weeks ago, you were bang on when you said,

Matthew Nyes may not start this series, but he's getting in. Same thing now with Bunting. He's going to get in at some point. They're not done with him. Whether it's later on in this series and maybe a six or seven, if it goes that long, or the next round. Yeah. Preferably in game two or game three of a Boston series

if they win tonight. But I just don't see, unless someone's significantly hurt, I don't see Kyle going back to Michael Bunting just yet. I don't think they will put Bunting in. I think there's a really strong case. I'm kind of playing it up a little bit on the other side of things. I think there's a really good case to say the puzzle pieces fit really well right now.

Like Lafferty and Aston Reese have a clear identity. But it just, you know, it is hard for me to look past the fact that this guy has been a big part of this team. Their fifth most used guy. I'm with you. I'm not kicking him to the curb. And I'm not disregarding all the work that he's put in, and he can make plays.

He can find ways to get to the net. But, and here's the but. Yeah. Can you trust him? No. You know, we had this. But we did this with Kadri where it was like. A hundred percent.

And what happened? They got rid of him. Well, he did it again.. Well, he did it again. You know, he did it again. I'm petrified of him in this game. Here's what I think is a risk. Is Tampa's a bit of a sleeping bear, sleeping giant, whatever you want to say. Sometimes.

And if you can just let them sleep, it's okay. They are great when they are engaged and angry and motivated and pims and scraps they love it right they want to play that hockey bunting gives them incentive to play that hockey which i don't love you know they there's a fine line between that and just sleeping right right yeah no and you want to let them just. I don't want them chasing around bunting, and all of a sudden they're motivated and engaged, and I don't know. I am curious to see how they feel about it. The one thing that Sheldon Keefe did clarify,

it ain't Nyes coming out. Yeah. Do you want to hear the clip? Yeah. All right. Well, I mean, Matt Nyes is certainly not coming out of line. He's done a terrific job for us. He's a guy that's definitely earned his spot and the opportunity to continue to play for us there.

With Bundy being available, obviously it's a very good option for us. He's a good player for us. It's not as easy or as simple a decision as it may have been. Earlier in the series, we or at a different time. So we'll take our time here and sort through it. We've got a group of guys that have played real hard. But we've got some time here now today and tomorrow to sort through that and make that decision.

He's going to be so good. Nice. Yes. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. He's. I just. I couldn't agree with that more. You can still make rookie mistakes, and you can see he's green,

and sometimes he gets run over because of the sheer speed. Yeah. And the strength of the league. He just doesn't know where to be aware yet. But he's already doing stuff better than any left winger they've got i can't believe the when they have no life and are losing games he's the one guy that gets out there and you're like oh you know like he can make something happen he's not scared to handle the puck although it's one of those yes yes yes no no no no yes yes yes yes no no 100 it is but that's great you know

particularly when you're down in the game chasing it a bit it's like all right i mean if we got out of this block without mentioning him pulling one off the goal line the poise to not just whack it away on his forehand but to go over the puck and back through his legs that was like that's the game right there. And maybe the series. Honest to God, Kip, that is a, that's as big a moment as the Kerfoot OT winner. It's crazy. I don't disagree on that. Monster.

I also feel like we only got a couple minutes here before we do playoff picks, but I also feel like we didn't spend enough time talking about the, you know, defining performance of Austin Matthews in that third period. Great, great call. When they needed it down in a in a series in a game the money players showed up yes at the last 10 minutes like mitch

marner was in on most of the plays with matthews nylander quietly went from, okay, he's killing the team. Three apples. Three apples. Drew the penalty. Underrated play, too. Are there some people that had an issue with that penalty call? It's a no-brainer penalty. A 40-goal score in the slot gets pulled down. Who had a problem with that? Tampa Bay.

Ken Reed mentioned it to me. Kind of questioned it on the post-game show last night. He hauled him down on the slot. I set him straight. Don't worry. Good, good, good. But, like, everybody, like, that's $40 million. That's half your salary cap that did come through.

Now, listen, don't really recommend trying to win more games like this moving forward. I would agree. You know, just a suggestion. I would agree. Just a suggestion. 100% fair. Just a suggestion. But I don't know. I get what you're saying, but come on, focus on a 60-minute game out of Matthews. But you know what?

It didn't go in for Matthews. Marner was no good in the first period. He'd be the first one to admit that. And don't push your luck on having world-class talent to bail you out in the last 10 minutes of a hockey game. Yeah, you know, I did think it didn't go in for Matthews. He ended up last night with, he had seven shots. Next highest on the team was two, I think. You know, like he had some opportunities.

One thing that is different this year to last year is he tipped a ton of pucks in last year he had he had like i don't know 15 deflections whatever we didn't see him there as much this year so the redirect off uh kneelander having the one from marner he's getting back to that the the blue paint which is good and yeah mitch marner leading the playoffs in points with 10 points lovely uh he's he's got historic numbers going on right now and like i know he's been good but it doesn't feel like he's been that good and he's just racking off it used to be how about oh go ahead no go ahead i was just gonna say it used to be that he could never like he would be

playing poorly and he couldn't get a bounce and the puck would never go in and it's just like now he's found a way how about the play he made off the wall two guys drawn to him and he got it back to morgan riley yeah it was an amazing play yeah the little backhand touch subtle lift of the stick in the top pocket and put it back yeah yeah unbelievable okay what do you got for us cleaning up uh our segment here so it's time for playoff picks presented by bet 365 visit the app for the latest odds so fellas i thought i would have a quick check at something here uh we're now midway through the first round ish so i thought we would check in on the stanley cup odds the favorites to win lord stanley's mug oh boy the bruins heavy favorites at plus 270 which is fair the. The second favorite is your Toronto Maple Leafs at plus 450.

Do you think that's valid? Do you think that's valid? Or is that them trying to get some Leaf money in there? Yeah, I think it's based on what you've seen. They're going into game five. They're up 3-1. How many good periods has this team played? Three.

Okay. Honestly, they've played 10 good minutes outside of game two. I was going to say maybe four, but you're at three. They played good in game two and then, yeah. Like easy on the second best favorite team right now to win the cup just telling you yeah that's telling you what i know a toronto fan and uh i'm just looking at the odds when this series will end between the leafs and the lightning the favorite is game five at minus 155 game six plus 325 and game seven at plus 300 so if you think it's gonna end

in game five you can lay a little juice and and bet plus 300. So if you think it's going to end in game five, you can lay a little juice and bet on that happening. Yeah, and if you, they think it's more likely to happen in game seven than game six. So. As in, if they go back to Tampa, it ain't ending, is what the odds say. Oh my God, game fives.

Massive. But it doesn't have to go to game seven. This is the thing every year. It's like, oh, the Leafs can't get a break in game seven. Game fives can ruin a lot of plans i i said yesterday that regardless of win or lose this game last night that it's going seven games god i hope i'm wrong i really hope i'm wrong all right fellas that was playoff picks presented by bet 365 visit the app for the latest odds. Okay, we're going to take a quick break. Upon our return, Colby Armstrong will join us.

You know, we had almost 4,000 viewers right now out there on YouTube. Humming. Playoffs, baby. Oh, are we excited. And we are so thankful. We need more likes, though. Yes. Listen, I asked you guys to hit 500 likes the other day it went up to 600 i would love

today to see 750 likes for sammy and jb let's roll let's roll i know they won't come my way but that's okay we're back after the break you're watching and listening to real kipper and born everything raptors before and after the games the raptor show with will lou subscribe and download the show on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts this is real kipper and born on sportsnet 590 the van oh that was a good breather. You did it. What about our boy Derek? All he wants to do is just beat a sugar.

I tell you, I'm not mad at that. I'm okay with that arrangement. All right, speaking of sugar, let's welcome in Colby Armstrong. Our sweetheart. Sugar. Oh, honey, honey. Oh, you went old school. I went Archie's.

Look at everybody's here like, who are the Archies? Oh, no, I know that jam. Oh, do you? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a good song. Oh, yeah, who doesn't? Which leads me to my next question for you, Colby. Betty or Veronica?

Employed or not? How do you want to answer this? Just move on. Hey. So. Shaggy. Yeah. Like just another day in Leafland, eh?

Yeah. Oh, my God. How was it up there? Parade route getting worked on as we speak. Some giddy people, Colbs. So, listen, I'm not going to waste any air other than, what do you make of the last 10 minutes? Well, I think it's been surprising, to be honest with you and it's not like

i don't think the leafs are bad i think they're a good team but it's like they're they're getting absolutely dominated the last two games and the tampa found ways to lose and the least found a way to win unbelievable insane yeah uh and and the only thing that i keep thinking about my head and maybe i don't know i'm crazy maybe i'm mean maybe um i know too much or like i i don't know i think leaf fans are like this too they're blocking it out because they're just enjoying the ride they're just happy maybe right now i feel like it's a little different i can see like i'm painting into my head kappa goes to Toronto now, wins, then all they have to do is go home and win,

and then they force a game seven. And that picture in my head looks like it could be done still, as crazy as this is. Nothing about anything in this series gives you the feeling that this time it's going to be different? Good question. Maybe the only thing that makes me feel a little bit different is the play of the goaltender for the Leafs. I watch Tampa and I'm like, geez, this team is, like,

John Cooper's comments on his team, right, that this team is, you know, these guys are battlers, hey? Like, they are all over the four check. Like, they don't half-ass it on, like, even, like, a stick check. Like, they take the extra three steps to get to you. Like, they push man and you know and watching them like they're gonna do that again like there's no way these guys are going away easy and he says don't bet against this group like i believe it um but the play of samsonov the last two games has saved this team and i know they had to make a massive comeback,

and yes, that's crazy to say, but I feel like the domination has been so big that Samsonov at moments has been so good at certain moments that the scores could have been completely like runaways, complete runaways. So I got to give him credit. I got to give him credit.

I got to give the Leafs credit for not going away. I mean, they battled back. they stepped on it in overtime last night right like they went after it they were hungry um you know that the they've they found ways to win games that they shouldn't have and it's it's pretty amazing to see and and you know does it will it create something different can they get going can the momentum kind of get on their side now and get going? Because to me, my eyes watching, I'm going, geez, Tampa, Tampa handled them pretty handily, like has handled them pretty good and found a way to lose.

So I'm just, that's still in my head. You know, one thing that I took away from last game is like a lot of the shenanigans kind of died down. It felt like early in the series, it was a lot about tone setting. You know, I kind of have this theory that in past years, if the Leafs don't answer the bell in those situations, it just keeps coming. They keep taking the abuse, but they answered the bell

and they took a lot of the fights and they weathered some of that physical stuff. And now it seems like they've settled in to play hockey a bit, which I think works in the leafs favor do you think there's anything to those intangibles mattering for the leafs as this season series progresses i think it's huge like how about let's get it let's say i gotta say this how about luke shen wow how about my guy luke shen what a beauty i was like can the penguins get luke shen that's the guy they need but every team is probably saying they need luke shen sturdy solid toe-to-toe with jeno i mean that's unbelievable they should make a shirt there print their shirt toe-to-toe with

jeno luke god you're such a marketer three copies ten copies, $10 profit for Colby. I'm an idea guy, but I love it. And yes, Stamkos had to punch Matthews in the face five times before he realized, like, oh, crap, I got to do something. But he did something. And I think that's amazing. I love that he got in there. I love that he got involved when he was getting attacked instead of, like, we've seen him how many times with a smile on his face

getting ragdolled. You know, he doesn't do any. So I think that's big for him. I think that's big for the Leafs for that to happen. I think the pushback is good. I think it's great to have guys like Shen in the lineup that can do that. McCabe runs around a little bit here and there. I think that's all been really good.

You get bunting back next game, right? So you add that to the lineup as well. Nyes has been, like, a physical presence and skilled been really good. You get Bunting back next game, right? So you add that to the lineup as well. Nyes has been like a physical presence and skilled and really good and saved the goal in the goal line last game. He's provided a big punch, too, to this lineup. What a good player he is, by the way. Okay, hold on. I just spent like the last five minutes telling JB

there's no way Bunting gets in for game five. Well, what are they going to do? Yeah, they're going to take that camp out and move Yarncroft down and put him back up there? I just keep everything as is right now. Well, it's not like they're – I mean, winning's winning, right? But I don't think they've played particularly good. I thought they'd gotten sort of dominated but i like bunting's game i

think he's valuable to the team but i could see that happening too just as easy i mean i'd run the hot end jb i'd run the hot lineup colby i'm gonna have to really think about this now all of a sudden it's not a slam dunk anymore for me i like that he has i like that he has like spit in his game and i think he's important guy and um i think there's room to move guys around and get that yarn crock fourth line center camp out of the lineup right move some guys around um and get them back in there because i think he just adds to whatever line he's on because you need guys like that. You need guys like that around. But yeah, great argument. Great argument.

Stick with the winning lineup, Kippy. I'm torn now. You're in my kitchen. We do not agree. We are talking to Colby Armstrong, former NHL analyst now on TNT and everything else you can turn on. Awesome job. Awesome job.

Awesome job. Hey, listen. I'm having a blast. You mentioned Samsonov and his stellar play. We all just assumed that he just needed to go and keep the team in it when you're up against a guy like Vasilevsky, but it hasn't turned out that way. And now there's talk about, you know,

where he's weak and can't turned out that way. And now there's talk about, you know, where he's weak and can't find loose pucks. And, like, is it really coming down to Vasilevsky not being Vasilevsky and that's the difference in this series? Yeah, I mean, that was pretty huge by Lalonde, right? Like, that was a cool thing that he talked about with the study they did on shots from a point and, you know, constructing their D around that. And look at the goals.

Look at some of the goals. Like, yes, there was deflections, but, I mean, is this his kryptonite? Did Leafs figure out his kryptonite? Look at, like, Morgan Rielly's just lasering his little wristers in there and he's unbelievable one who's a winner obviously but yeah um yeah i mean it's crazy to it's crazy to think like you know right now with with the doubt that that's around um vasilevsky because he's been you know he's been bulletproof really with his game and his play and his record and bouncing back after wins.

His numbers are out of this world, never been seen. And then there's Samsonov at the other end that's just slow and steady winning the race, I guess, right now. And he's battling in there. There was times, even through the end of the year, even in the first few games of the playoffs, where he looked like he might be, like, something might be bugging him. Like, he gets up kind of slow and weird,

or he lays down a little extra long, or, like, you know, like going side to side. It looks like he's nursing something. But then he comes out and stands on his head and makes saves, like key saves at key times to, to like keep it kind of close or give his team a chance or the team battles back and there's a sequence where he has to be lights out he's been able to do that so i i think he's been a obviously he's been a major story and and i was criticizing goaltending going in with because it always seems like it's an issue with these leaf

teams but samsonov's kind of make it up for it right now. Yeah, he's been good enough, that's for sure. And that's all they've been asking for in past years and they haven't got. You know, one guy who more than good enough has really made a difference in the series is Ryan O'Reilly.

Bringing a guy in like that, God, he lifts the stick last night. The takeaway before was at the Achari goal. Like he just does something every game. You're like, wow, they've been lacking that sort of guy before. What are your thoughts on him and what he, how he changes the Leafs? He's like everything that they've done. That's been super impactful. His hands have been all over it, winning a face off at the right time.

You know, those little bump passes at the right time, being in the right area to pick up a pass and set up something to create a game-tying goal or an overtime winning goal. He's been all over it. He's been all over it. And he's not the nicest-looking doing it, right? He's like a grinder-looking guy. But the smarts, the calmness, I think the personality,

which we've talked about a lot coming into that room, right? Having a guy like that that's around. Experience. And then just his hockey sense and smarts out on the ice allows him to operate in harder areas, too, and in key moments. And he's been unbelievable. What a huge pickup. What an amazing pickup in getting him,

just because he's so good at both ends huge pickup. What an amazing pickup in getting him, just because he's so good at both ends of the ice, all over the ice, in a lot of different things. And, you know, credit to him, because I heard when he was, like, in Colorado early in his career that he was an absolute savage workhorse at his craft. Like, you know, just flipping pucks in and around the crease, tipping pucks in and around the net. When it, working on fate, like he was just,

he's been a workhorse his whole career to get himself to like be good in all these spots. And I think he's helped this Leafs team immensely, obviously, in a lot of different areas. And one being, I think, is just that veteran experience and personality wise, like having a guy around. Like I think he's a guy when a team, when they were down the other day,

I think he's a guy in the room or a guy on the bench or a guy with his play that can create good plays in hard moments when spirits are low, that he's like a guy that can rally people. He's a guy people want to be around. And I think he has a massive influence on the feel of his team. If we were shocked at the Leafs' last 10 minutes to come back and win, where would the Devils coming back winning two in Madison Square Garden rank? Oh, my God.

I did not see that coming. Nobody did. I thought they were done. Done. Adios. Like, nothing. Not even a whimper, Kei, in the first few. It was nothing.

And all of a sudden now, all of a sudden now, the tides have turned, the table's turned, the table's been flipped. It is insane to see the difference in speed, assertiveness, and play out of the New Jersey Devils. Like, they've got to their game. Maybe they were just stunned to be in the playoffs, right? Because they got a lot of young key guys that are young. But, like, whatever it was, it took them time to dip their toe in

and feel it out. But, like, it's amazing. That is massive. And what a crazy playoffs for teams going in and winning on the road right away. Like, it's been insane in a lot of different series how this has happened. I've got to give New Jersey credit for young and experienced groups.

They've got some spattering of some veteran guys through their lineup, but the majority of their real talented key players are really young. I give them credit for the way they fought and battled back in the series. I love Jack Hughes' I don't know

what I want to call it. Quiet confidence? Plainton arrogance? Oh, yeah, that one. Not quiet confidence. Yeah, quiet confidence mixed with like an angry arrogance. You know what I mean?

Yeah, that makes sense. It's been impressive. Like, he's a driving force on this team. And he came around kind of slow a little bit, too. Like, he was the most noticeable devil in the first two games. But I got to say, like, what he's pushed through and now what he's driving with this team right now, it's the season he's had and now what he's pushing

for towards and you know could be on the verge of you know reversing a 2-0 home beat down what do you say getting whacked twice at home yeah yeah what a line he's a great interviewer he's from new jersey i mean people get whacked all the time it's fair enough what's up with their celebrations in New Jersey, too? They're doing like the deadpan, like the stare down. The stare down, eh, to the first three rows. Oh, yeah. Jack did it the other day.

Dougie Hamilton and the OT. I was like, what the heck kind of selly is this? Insane selly. Like zero selly, just stare down. Yeah, that's funny. You know, looking around this eastern conference like it it does feel like the boston bruins just are so in control of things you know they haven't been healthy they've been without bergeron been without other players

and they're rolling over florida do you have any doubt that this team is going to continue to be the same team they've been all year um i don't think they've looked necessarily as good, but yeah, they're in control, right? And they're missing Krejci, too, who's been really good. What could they be like, obviously, when they get those guys back? But Charlie McAvoy's been insane. I believe he leads all playoffs in hits right now. He's all over the ice. He's just a rock.

And the game's been a little physical at times through this series, and Kachuk's tried to push his way and his team into these games in different ways, whether it's trash talking or trying to fight all-mark the goalie. But it's, yeah, I just, I don't even think when they've played well, they've found ways to win still, and that's kind of been their calling card

all year as well. So they're in complete control of that series. And what do we got tonight? We got elimination tonight with Carolina Islanders. I think that's done. And then I think Boston, yeah, they're just looking to get some more days, buy some more days to get healthy and get their lineup back,

and they can do that with winning again. And I think they will. I think that one's done too. Edmonton, LA, you got a best series. Where's your money? The best.

Isn't it good? Yeah. Where's your money tonight? I, I, I like, I like Edmonton. I like Edmonton.

I like the way, obviously they came back. Like that's the one team. I said it on the TNT panel the other day. That's the one team that has a chance against a team that's as structured and dog on a bone and solid

that LA is. LA's team is awesome. I give them a ton of credit. They're a really, really good team. Surprisingly really, really deep and good. Watching know, like watching them to play though, they, they play like they play the right way. And, you know, there's one team with 40 minutes on the clock that just needs a power play

and a break with the weapons they have in their lineup. It's Edmonton. And I just think it's a great story. I think at homes were good. I think nurse has to be better. I think, you know, Leon dry sidles been absolutely insane. They've done a pretty good job of trying to keep the clamps on Connor. I think pretty good for what Connor is. But I like this Oilers team. I think it's been an awesome series.

I think the play's been in-your-face, hard, electric, fun. For me, this has been the best series to watch. And, you know, I stay up all night. I watch overtime all night. I think these games are so close, right? You think I look at today, like, can you see all three games today going to overtime? It's crazy. Are you on the panel tonight?

No, I'm at home. I got home yesterday. So I'm still killing myself staying up until 1, 2 in the morning, not catching up the next day and then, you know, getting up with my kids and taking them to school because, yeah, first round of the playoffs is nuts, boys. We love it, though. Well, we sure appreciate your time on our show. Anytime we can get you on, it's fantastic.

I love talking to you guys. Guy, thanks, Cole. I appreciate you, pal. All right, pal. You guys are the best. You guys are the best you guys are the best i gotta say that and just uh the only thing is i gotta say the only thing is with you guys is sammy sammy oh we're pacing sammy he ain't gonna make it i'm telling you right now heart's

gonna give up he's not gonna make it if he just doesn't calm down a little bit. Is he the head guy planning the parade? No, he's not. He doesn't believe they're going to win the cup. Not for a second. Sammy, do you? No. Listen, after Thursday, let's talk.

We'll talk after Thursday, boys. All right. Colby Armstrong. All right. Thanks, boys. Appreciate it. Have a good one. Enjoy the game tonight. All right. Thanks, boys. Appreciate it. Have a good one. Enjoy the game tonight.

You too. You know, just thinking about what we've considered all season long, the top three goalies in the league. Vasilevsky. Yeah. Shusterkin. Yeah. And Sorokin.

Yeah. Yeah. Not great. Having issues right now. Yeah. It's a strange goaltending, man. No one can figure it out. We're like, yeah, only a few teams trust their goalies, and those teams are having a hard time with it.

Okay, let's take a quick break. And by the way, well over 750 likes on YouTube. Do we really? What a day. There's no way we're going to crack 1,000. We're up to 868. We've never cracked. Get to 1,000.

Come on, people. It's easy. Like, like, like. Play like like here for the leafers like thumbs up president of the leaf booster club right there for you okay when we come back gary volk will explain to us what flex seal kerfoot is feeling right now once upon a time scored a series clinching goal versus the penguins we We'll get Gary Falk after the break. You're watching and listening to Real Kipper and Born.

Get smarter when you listen to Hockey Talk, the Hockey PDO cast with Dmitry Filipovich. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Real Kipper and Born on sportsnet 590 the van okay let's welcome in gary valk former nhler over 750 nhl games including one that made the Leafs fans remember him for a very long time. That was a series-clinching overtime winner versus the Pittsburgh Penguins. And, Bulky, I just went and watched it again.

And no question, goaltender interference. You took Barrasso right out of it and um yeah no goal today i i pushed my buddy bobby dollis right into the goalie it was uh you know i had to free some space up out there it was uh it was one of those series where i don't know if i just remember being so tired i'm like we just got to end this thing quick and i don't know if I just remember being so tired. I'm like, we just got to end this thing quick. And I don't know if you've ever been involved in a long overtime, Nick. That was pretty quick. And thank God, because I don't know how much energy we had left to go.

Like, say, if it was one one overtime period or two, we're we're all pretty gassed at that time. So it was a perfect ending at the right time to that series for sure how much extra pride is there when you're sitting in your stall and everything's calmed down that you're the guy who got the goal like everyone's excited the team moved on but how much extra pride is there that you're the guy who gets it oh it's ridiculous yeah i mean it's it's i was wayne gretzky for a day, day and a half. That was me. I mean, I'll kind of tell you kind of the side note behind it. I mean, obviously, it's the biggest goal of my life,

probably my best moment or one of them in my life. But Pat Quinn came up to me going out right before that OT, and he goes, Valky, it's your turn. It's your time. This is why we brought you here for this moment. And our line with Perot and Berzin, we had a really good playoff. So Berzin got

the OT goal against Philadelphia, I believe, to knock them out. And then Perot got a goal. So our line got three of those overtime goals. And it was my turn. But Pat going up to me, going, just looking me dead ass in the eyes going, it was my turn and but pat going up to me going just looking me dead ass in the eyes going it is your turn it's your time just gave me an absolute belief i was great at

that pat had great instincts right and he knew he knew when a player was going or he wasn't going but sure enough when i got the goal i love watching the replays of it too, just seeing Pat and Ricky Lee's enjoyment and how happy they were, because, I mean, obviously I was happy as well. But the back story there too, they cut me the year before, and I had nowhere to play, right? You know, it can't get lost

on when a guy, when a coach says something to you that, you know, makes you believe or just changes the way that you feel. Because guys like me and you probably spent the majority of our careers going, oh, God, the coach hates me. Yeah. Yeah. On one-year deals, right? Two-neck, too. Like, we're on one-year deal. One-year deal. One-year. It was a coach hates me yeah yeah on one year deals right to nick too like we're on one year deal one year deal one year with a coach like me where where am i going next year what am i doing

next year and uh hundred percent and and you know it was pretty funny like it was obviously it was in pittsburgh and um it was and i said i felt like Wayne Gretzky because I did. I didn't want to take my gear off. I felt like the absolute hero. So sure enough, we go out. It's a Sunday night. I think it was a Sunday. Matt Sundin makes a call, closes some bar down in Toronto. Next thing you know, we're going there to celebrate it right off the charter.

And, you know, everything was comped. Everything, I felt like Wayne in burial for a day. But the highlight was the next day we're going up for breakfast down Young Street. And I'm not lying to you. There was a trap. Young Street shut down. People were chasing me out of their cars, wanting their autograph and congratulating me. Down Young Street. Like, I was just going for breakfast.

And I'm like, this is the best. Like, I don't want this to end at all. Yeah, I'm sorry. You're telling me there's people in Toronto now chasing Kerfoot? Yeah, yeah. Well, look, I'm not knocking down Kerfoot's goal at all, but that, you know, look, it was a series clincher to get to the final four, okay? And his was on a power play, all right?

What is up with all these power plays in overtime? Like, every game is ending on a power play goal. Like, I think it's BX going, I don't want to work too much longer or later. Elliot, don't end this game. We can't handle two or three periods anymore of overtime, but I'm pretty well sick of it. I'm not saying there are penalties.

I'm just saying I'm sick of watching power play goals in overtime. Five on five is better. It's better. Yeah, no doubt about that. So how, you know, that Toronto element of it is obviously relevant. You know, how different is it if you score that goal for, you know, whoever, Dallas or some other city like that like kerfoot will probably he'll be back in toronto someday 20 years from now i'm

sure celebrating us because it's toronto and the fans have that long memory am i right well look 100 they brought me back i think it was five or six years ago for one of the i think it was a top 20 moment in all-time history of that team and that team's been around a long time if it if that happened in dallas or anaheim i'm sure would have been forgotten by now but you know i do know if toronto ever wins the cup i'm flying down there like they have to have a spot in the parade for me somewhere. I'll put my Roots hat on. I gotta be there. You nailed it. Doing it in Toronto is very different than anywhere else.

And doing it for Pat Quinn for sure. You scored that goal today. You're beating off national commercials with a baseball bat. But I'm slugging real estate here in North Vancouver. Half my clients don't even know what I do.

I'll sign autographs and stuff for the other realtors. My clients are looking at me like, you're that good? They have no clue I play in the NHL, man. That's Vancouver. Everybody's a hero superstar here. Like, it's like, oh, my God. Like, Vancouver. I mean, I got a sticker. I might move

to Toronto. Yeah, move back to Yonge Street. Let's get her going. I believe there wouldn't be too many Vancouver people willing to come to Toronto for that parade with you. No, they hate you guys.

Oh my God. They hate you guys. Oh, my God. They hate you guys. If you're on a float at the end of this playoff run, you've sold your last house in Vancouver. Yeah, exactly. I'm moving. Our kids are almost out of the house now. So I'm going to be in that way. I'm moving. Our kids are almost out of the house now. So I'm going to be out of that way.

That is awesome. Well, listen, you're coming back on. There's no question about that. It's just a matter of when, okay? Awesome, guys. You hate any time for sure. Go Toronto. Go.

Still my favorite team, my kids' favorite team. And just love my time there. Never forget it. So thanks for the call. All right. Gary Volk. Thanks for coming on. Never forget it. So thanks for the call. All right. Gary Volk. Thanks for coming on. We appreciate it.

Volky. I've always had great conversations with him. He is hilarious. That is one of our better former player interviews right there. Oh, my God. He had some good seasons here just looking at his numbers. Oh, no. He was one of those guys.

He's very Ker into that bill like uh billy berg uh kind of you know mold where can do a lot of different things you know every once in a while you call them on his bluff though for being a tough guy i love him but you know i mean he knew his. He knew how far he could push. But very, very serviceable NHL-er. Had a 10-goal season, 8-goal season, 8-goal season here in Toronto, obviously to go with, you know, 40 pims, 50 pims, that sort of thing. That goal is like my first real love of hockey moment. Like that was a really young kid, 99. Was that 99 when he scored that goal?

Yeah, it was 99. So i would have been 10 years old and it just danny markov given yager the salute afterwards like that was an all-time moment and it's just it's one of those guys like kerfoot's like a guy that you don't expect to score a huge goal like that's what playoff hockey is boys so that was what 1999 gary volk school yes i think so and let me double check honestly i i can i can just see gary volk getting chased by by people on young street like that stuff you hope is coming for the likes of marner and matthews and yeah Flex Seal and all the rest of them. It will happen. That's just what's waiting for them. If they can get over this first round and carry momentum into the next one

and anything can happen. But that's what we all envision by once upon a time, all of us putting on that Leaf uniform is that type of love and passion to win this time of year. You know, these guys that have come here later in their careers all wanted to be a part of the time it happened, right? Whether it's Spezza or Marleau or Thornton or, you know, now Giordano who's still here you know but Ryan O'Reilly

feels like the type of guy to come here and make a tangible difference and push this thing to somewhere where you get these moments you know in these years in the recent years we haven't seen an Alex Kerfoot OT winner there hasn't been one from pick your depth guy like my kids are like uh you know 18 21 20 i don't even know how old they are but like they've never experienced that yeah right never seen it here like think about how long it's been before a leaf player's truly been chased down young street for an autograph this time of year last night went a long way to people believing. You know, they say it's the hope that kills you. Like, they're going to lose playoff games this year.

You know, it's going to happen. But there is suddenly a different vibe in Leafs Nation. Yeah, I'm really excited for Game 5. That's all I'm doing. We're not looking past Game 5. He's so petrified right now did you hear that he he's so petrified of being crushed again yeah no i no listen won't even he can't even speak i he can't you're like cliff clavin talking to a girl they're different they're different they're different

everybody says they're different they still wear blue and white did we play Keith on feeling different I'm going to call Louie did we play it no we didn't let's play Keith on feeling different while we wait for Louie to brusque

yeah obviously I'm very hopeful that we look at it as a sign, a positive sign of A, the spirit of our team, what we're capable of, what we can overcome, and just that it feels different. I hope that that's really what

the guys, as we travel back to Toronto, there's two days between here and now, so a bit of a lull in the series, and then obviously a very important game coming up. But I hope that they take that and recognize that, you know, let's keep pushing here. Let's keep pushing.

But, you know, the team, we found a way to beat here tonight. You know, they are who they are because they very rarely lose two in a row. They obviously don't lose three in a row very often. And winning four in a row is going to be even harder. So that's not lost on us. And we'll make sure that our group is ready. And that will be the message that, you know we we've got to be we've got to continue to be better all right interesting choice of word a spirit it's like witchcraft out

there right now and it's a lot of demons and spirits and all right we got louis we got louis louis hey guys how are you? Listen, we know you're real busy, so we're not going to take too much of your time. We just want to set the scenes a little bit here on a series that some are saying is the best one out there. Yeah, it's been pretty good. We expected it, though, from what happened last year,

going to seven games. But talk about some momentum swings. There's no question about that in the series, but it's had a little bit of everything. The feistiness early, there was some carryover from not just the playoff series last year that went seven games in the regular season. They didn't like each other at the start,

but I think they've settled in and are now just playing real good hockey, real hard playoff hockey, both teams. And it's been awesome to watch. I mean, you saw a 3-0 lead for L.A. disappear hard playoff hockey, both teams. And it's been awesome to watch. I mean, you saw a 3-0 lead for L.A. disappear in the second period. Then they regained the lead in the third period. It was tied late by Edmonton. Evander Kane's goal late, and then the overtime goal by Hyman.

Three of the four games have gone to overtime. I mean, what more can you ask for? It's been what we expected, a hard-fought, tight battle, once again, between these two division rivals. One of the big stories for those Edmonton Oilers are Jack Campbell goes there, big contract, becomes the guy, it doesn't go great. He goes in for Stu Skinner, they get a win.

What's going to happen with the goaltending situation now for Edmonton? Well, I think it's a status quo. Stuart Skinner's getting a start again tonight, and Zane Woodcroft kind of addressed it this morning and just said it'd be no different than any other starter. But, you know, if you want to call it an off period, I think it was a team off period, to be honest with you.

And I think you have to tip your cap to the Los Angeles Kings because they came up flying in that first period. I mean, it was a dominant performance, their best period by far in the series. And, you know, they got a boost with Kevin Fiala coming back in the lineup, which made their top three lines, I think, as deep as anybody in the league. I really do. I think they're a real strong depth-wise team.

They have a great defense score, and they're getting great goaltending. So these are two really good teams going at it. I think Edmonton, if you were to break it down period by period, well, I don't have to say it, Jay Woodcroft felt that was their worst period of the series, and rightfully so. They were down 3-0 after one, but they found a way to come back. But no, as far as the goal

pending, I think it was a great performance by Jack Campbell. He hadn't played in a while. He comes in there, his first taste of the playoffs, and fumbles the first shot on net, which is never an easy one when you jump right into the action like that. And Kevin Biaxia picked out and made a real good valid point about him having the intermission to kind of get ready

because usually it's put your gear on, jump in there, no shots. Like there used to be shots on the goalies. Remember that kipper? He's still going to warm the goaltender up a little bit. But there's none of that. It's just get in there and face your first shot. So a very difficult position to be in. And I thought he handled it very well.

And I'm not surprised to be honest with you guys. He won his last four games down the stretch, but it was Stuart Skinner who is the starter. Stuart Skinner right now still is the starter. And for the coaching staff in Edmonton, they feel they have two goalies they can lean on, which is always a good thing. Yeah.

Just one more thought on that, Louie. And that is that Skinner comes in, but based on the fact that Jack plugged a hole like that, would you think that his leash would be a little shorter tonight if there were, say, a couple of goals that you question? Would you go and make a change earlier? I think the game will dictate.

That depends on the type of goals. I really do believe that. I think that Stuart Skinner's played fine. A couple of leaky goals, but those are playoff goals. I looked at game two, and I look at the kind of goals that they scored, and it was just goals around the net were you know Puck was just kind of thrown in there. Donnell had three

whacks out. He was wide open in front of the net. Makes the first safe fumble and the second one scores that one to make a 2-1 and a 2-2 goal by Velarde in his first game of the series. I think it was a little fluky. I honestly think Stuart Skinner thought that Puck was going to be elevated in tight. He was more worried about the upper part of the net,

and somehow it found its way underneath and through there. But those are the only two that he gave up. That was it. This is a team, the highest scoring team in the regular season, and they're starting to find that scoring touch, put five up against L.A. in Game 4. They've managed to put over 40 shots, three of the four games, on the fourth best team in the National Hockey League in the season it's suppressing shots the la king so i you know for me stewart's been fine i really believe that they came out like gangbusters they scored a rebound

goal velarde a deep goal by copertar and a mano a mano where you got to just tip your cap to arvidsson who puts it off the barn in it was time for a change and it sparked the team it sparked the team it sparked the team and they came back and won that game so i think from their perspective they got exactly what they needed out of jack cam will he give them a real big boost to go down but they're going back with skinner tonight and i'm not surprised at all by that so the uh the superstars there in edmonton uh you know have have been getting their points as they always do um how is la doing at trying to manage those two guys

who can single-handedly take over a series, and they've done it in the past? You know, one of the best things that Jay Woodcross has been able to do is keep them apart. Yeah, that's the impressive thing. And they're both excellent on their own lines. Obviously, down 3-0, he had started kind of loading up the line. It didn't seem to work.

He went back to his regular lines, and then he kind of switched around, went back to dry settlement. David, I think we're going to see a lot of that mixing and matching, which the team is very comfortable doing. When I say team, I mean the players. They've done it all year long, and they've understood that in different situations, there will be different combinations that go over the boards, and you're just trying to find a spark at times

if the combinations are working and you stay with them. But for Los Angeles, for me, listen, they have two premier centermen, in my opinion. I mean, Philip Deneau is, to me, and I've got to see him a couple of years in a row now and how he flourished in Montreal

going to the Stanley Cup final, why Los Angeles went out and acquired him. He's kind of like a left-bird run. I throw that out there very understanding of the fact I don't like comparing players, but the way he plays the game, he's a defense-first oriented centerman. He's got a great stick, a real strong

stick. Just really doesn't cheat the game, and that's how I describe Patrice Bergeron's game, is he doesn't cheat the game. And because of that, it does lead to offense, and he's with a couple really good wingersers in Moore and Arvidsson. That's a real line that has chemistry. Colt Pitar is a selkie winner.

This is a big guy that's been around, played a lot of great players. They were dash three in game number four. I had a conversation with him this morning. He said it's a fine line. You know, you want to play hard against that line. You want to play in the offensive zone. But you have to understand that when the puck turns over, number 97 especially is going to be faster than you at the end of your shift. He just has a reservoir that's bigger than most people's reservoirs. He can stay out there

longer than most people, and he can burn you late in shifts. You have to be aware for the complete shift, not just the very start of it, trying to gain possession of that puck. They're never going to limit all the opportunities that most of those guys bring to the table this is impossible when they're playing together you're they're going to get their chances because the most they're two most dynamic players in the league by far it's not even close when they're together so he went to him it worked in the spark in the second period i thought when they came back and and tied the game up it really worked and then he kind of went away from it a bit back to it. I mean, he shuffled it around. We'll see what happens tonight.

But for the Los Angeles Kings, they just needed a line to go out there and be neutral against that line if they can. If they split up the two lines, it's the depth of the Kings, which has given them success this year. And that third line now with Fiala on that line and Ayafala with Gabe Velarde,

who for a guy that has really blossomed this year, and you can see why, has a great stick, great defensive sense, and wins a lot of puck battles and an excellent release. That third line, when you look at the top three, L.A.'s banking on the fact that they feel their depth is a little bit better. And if you can somehow neutralize that top line or those top two lines for Edmonton, L.A. feels that they have the advantage when it comes down to the third. Now, I will say, Ryan McLeod,

Warren Fogle, Derek Ryan, Nick Bukestad, the guys that have filled in on that third line have done a wonderful job in the series to kind of manage that and make it, again, a really competitive third line, but we'll see what happens tonight. Okay, go rest your voice because you are on

a torrid pace, and we can't wait for your call tonight thanks for doing this louis thanks catch up boys hope it's another good one i'm sure it's gonna be for sure thanks louis appreciate it louis de bros hockey analyst for sportsnet and hockey night in canada kate you have to ask him one more question, which I'm fine with, but the whole time I'm feeling bad because, you know, he's like working his butt off. He's on the call tonight. And I'm like, I'm trying to cut in and just say, hey, Louie, like stop talking, go rest, get ready.

He gave us his time. He's a generous soul. God bless him, but he can talk a pit bull off a meat wagon. Which is good. Because to be honest, you guys, we, like when you're watching this Leafs series, it's hard to watch other series closely. Rangers at the same time. You know, you're doing a lot of the post-game stuff.

It's just, I don't really know what's going on outside of that series and ours. I mean, I haven't had time to watch. Well, and speaking of, we had to find time to watch. I did not watch Seattle and Colorado. But this one's getting real interesting for the defending Stanley Cup champions. I did watch McCarr dust McCann. And McCarr officially gets a one-game suspension off of taking out a 40-goal score. Yeah.

What'd you think? Thought he probably should have gotten more. Agreed. I don't. Yeah, it was just as bad as bunting. Oh, that's such the... What an awful take that is. I've seen that on Twitter.

It was, shut up. It's true. He slams his head into the boards, takes out their best player. Oh, he did. And then he stabbed him with that knife after it was a brutal mauling. Where do you get to hit a guy

with the pucks nowhere near him? Well, McCart can make the case. He's trying to play hockey. He thinks that the puck hits the goalie's right shoulder and goes up into that corner they're going in mccann's looking up to play the puck he thinks there's a hockey puck there there isn't though i can think of a lot of things that doesn't give me the right to go hit somebody who doesn't have the puck it's an interference call and a suspension i agree with you okay but he can make the contention he's

playing hockey what can bunting's contention be aside from trying to get back at a guy who just greased him 20 minutes earlier? You're saying because I'm guessing that I'm playing hockey, I can go and hit somebody? I'm saying that you have less intent if you're trying to play hockey than if you're trying to just hurt someone. I'm not comparing that hit to Bunting. And also, there's so little force on that hit. It's unfortunate McCann gets hit, but it's kind of like, give him a little one. You know, the first thing I thought of when I saw that hit was my good buddy, Dale Hunter on Pierre Turgeon, which you know.

Yes. That's such a similar hit. Against the Islanders. It's only similar. Well, it's not even remotely similar. It's a slam into the boards. It's a church run once after a goal. He scores.

He's celebrating a goal, and then he hits grease. That is one of the greasiest hits of all time. The building is rocking. I'm not talking about the situation. I'm telling you that it looked similar to me. It did look similar. I see the form of the play similar, yes. So, if I'm not mistaken, Hunter gets 23 games, 21 games.

Yeah. And now we are here 25 years later, and that's a one-game suspension. The car gave him a massage. Should have been two. Slammed a guy's head against the board nowhere near the puck. That's two games. It's a one game suspension the car gave him a massage should have been two slammed a guy's head against the board nowhere near the puck that's two games it's a suspension for sure i know it's the best defenseman in the league yeah that's why he didn't get more he's a stud he's a superstar superstar and they i don't think they wanted to do two because i can't there's a potential you can't pick the head yeah listen bunting uh had two things going against him a clean head pick shot head pick shot and a major interference call yeah okay i mean there's no comparison yeah it's not the same thing but you cannot you can't do hide behind me I thought the puck was there.

I was wrong. At least he can say something when they call him and go, what were you thinking? Bunting, what's he going to say? Bunting, I was trying to win a race. My elbow flew up by accident into a guy's cheek. Who just greased me, and I clearly hate. Is Colorado in trouble here?

A little bit. Yeah, I think they are. Like that Seattle team reminds me of the Vegas team, it's colorado in trouble here a little bit yeah i think they are like that seattle team reminds me of the vegas team though into the cup final not in only in that they're just kind of good throughout the lineup there's no real weak spots and so a team that has them which colorado has the best players in the series by miles but i think you'd say seattle has more depth than them at this point i um that eberly scored it he used to be like he had the reputation as the most clutch guy and that's was that is probably his first overtime winner right in the nhl has he scored another one in the playoffs i think with

edmonton he had oh i'm thinking regular season stuff yeah but for him to be mr clutch again get back into it i love eberly he's an awesome career like he really has you know he's a good islander he was fading and then he got it going with the islanders yeah there's a lot of those guys on edmonton it's funny watching them now you know be seeing taylor hall as valuable support for the boston bruins and everly be that where he is and like yakupov exists makes you feel really old that he is 60 games games away from a thousand jordan eberly is he really yep yeah that'll make you feel old and he's played 66 playoff games in his career a lot with the islanders obviously but i

he's always been good i had silky hands toad reg city back hands like he's he's a great player been around a long time now no doubt about still uh no word on nikushkin in that situation officially from colorado but there is a sense that he is not coming back anytime soon back to russia uh no there was a situation in his hotel room mid-Saturday talking about a fire department and ambulance coming into a room and a woman taken to the hospital. That was all a news report. Sammy, outside of that, I think we still don't know that scenario.

But this was an important guy last year during the Stanley Cup playoffs. Yes. Factor in no land is con. It's almost as if Colorado just never caught up to the domino effect of winning a cup and going through injuries. And let's not forget, too, that Nikushkin last year, if you can recall, had a foot injury or an ankle situation where we thought he would have been lost. He comes back it's just like it was never ending from beginning to end yeah right and so they don't get Kemper

back Caudry's not there Landis Gog's not there and it choose how much can you take my car is not there next game like you are stripped of parts pretty heavily for sure and and they're two two yeah they're hanging in give them credit but yeah that's it that's there for them in seattle no doubt about that god outside of boston it's just so wide open i mean if if the avalanche lose that edmonton la whoever comes out of that series like dallas could have a pretty good chance here. But they're in tough too. I watched that Wild game. Was it Sunday afternoon? Was that the last time they played?

And Wild are going to be tough to beat. They're just pounding each other. They're gritty. Pavelski's still hurt. He's skating now. Skating. Yeah. Okay.

And the reports are good. That's good. So he could be available at some point? Yeah, at some point. Yeah. But they're big. Dallas is big too. Yeah.

On the back end. And Jake Ottinger, boy, oh boy. We talk about some big names struggling a little bit. Ugh, not that guy. I think they're very comfortable with that guy uh beating minnesota yeah rupe hints has four goals and four assists in that series just love that player really good hey uh calgary flames getting a new rink sounds like oh yeah i saw that yep full full rink and practice rink uh sounds like it'll be announced today better facility and better deal for the flames provincial government providing

hundreds of millions of dollars that rank for 2027 that rank there like i i know cadre signed there and but like you got you need a facility now you you cannot god i was can't function right now can't function in this world unless you offer top players in the world uh a facility that can match playing in the best league in the world just would be really hard for me if i signed a deal like cadre and the the building is going to be complete in 2027, like four more seasons in the saddle dome, that's a long ways out. I understand you can't just throw these things up overnight. Yeah.

That's a long wait. That's a long wait. I think they'll figure out their general manager situation well before that, though. Do you? I hope so. Four years is a long time. That'll be interesting to see.

I get the sense that there's a search now, and that's not to say that they still won't name, like, a Craig Conroy that. I just don't know if there's a ton of pressure to go outside and hire someone or the perception is that Craig Conroy's been there so long it's more of the same. Right. Typically, I don't think that it makes a lot of sense to hire more of the same. Like, I think it's good to bring in sort of fresh set eyes,

but, you know, he's a pretty universally liked guy, got a lot of experience, a Flames guy. Do you think Calgary needs to say anything about Daryl Sutter coming back or not? Or do you wait to hire a new general manager to make that decision? Because it's really not ideal that a general manager walks in feeling like there's a coach there that may be more powerful than me. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of people who would still take that job. There isn't many GM jobs.

So, you know, that may be the arrangement. But, you know, interesting because assuming Sutter has two years left, like any GM, there's a finish line on that. That's not too far down the road, you know? There can be a finish line tomorrow there if they stroke him a check to go away. You think you get through one more season or something, then sort things out, go

from there. That will be an interesting one to keep an eye on. Gotta give some credit. I know we mentioned it with Colby, but gotta give a little bit more credit to the Devils coming back winning two games in Madison Square Garden. It's not, the thing that stands out to me above and beyond that they won two games is how they did it. Yeah.

Like, we're talking about Tampa Bay, three times Stanley Cup final, two Stanley Cups, can't lock down these kids went in there and they essentially won a 2-1 game with an empty net goal yeah 2-1 yeah and you know kane tarasenko crider panarin zibanejad fox like they can score akira schmied for the New Jersey Devils. Akira, Akira. Two starts. An 0-9-1 goals against and a 9-6-6 save percentage. 59 saves on 57 shots. Hip flexors don't lie.

That'll work. What happens, Carolina Islanders tonight? Not feeling good, eh? I'm feeling good about my canes and five pick i don't like it being three one like i feel like if they were to play a best of 17 i might still pick the islanders but you know asking carolina to lose three straight here it's a it's a big ask for an islanders team that doesn't score they just don't score so it's really really bleak i would say in uh islanders nation might probably to get one more game in uh ubs arena out of it surprise playoff ace pier angvall couldn't

get him over the top yeah he's got good numbers though he's got zero zero zero oh yeah did you pick mini or dallas uh i picked mini and seven you did i yeah they still feel good about that no i don't know i just just want that Dallas team. They're a good club. I think I underestimated them. Yeah. Rupert Hintz. Rupe.

Rupe. Rupe. Yeah. What a player. Yeah, he's so fast. What a mule. I think that's like one of the new most underrated guy. I like that take.

Yeah. No one ever talks about him, but every time I watch them play, I'm like, Jesus, he's good. Yeah. Big, fast. How many times are you watching Dallas but every time I watch them play, I'm like, Jesus, he's good. Big, fast. How many times are you watching Dallas this year? How many times have you played the Leafs? Once. Twice? How many times have you played the Leafs?

Twice. Because your converter's stuck. No, I watch Dallas a few times. You're remote. I've watched them a lot versus Minnesota, and I love Rupe Hintz. I love Finnish hockey players in general. Finnish hockey players are my favorite non-Canadian. So we're all in agreement that Edmonton goes up 3-2?

Yes, I am in agreement there. I'm not. This Oilers team needs to take hold of this series. They got Matthias Ekholm. They got Connor McDavid, Leon Dreisaitl. I mean, Hyman, Kane. They got to go. Nugent Hopkins had 100 points.

No excuses. Just listening to Louis moments ago talking about a guy like philip denot like when there's a consistency of playing the right way all the time like it just really lends to this time of year yeah and we watched the leafs the last two games play a small percentage of playing the right way and a whole lot of not playing the right way. And it's the ones that can consistently do it for a longer period of time. That's the one danger for guys like Kopitar and Philip Deneau.

They don't have the flash. They don't have the speed. They're the tortoise and the tortoise and the hare. They just keep doing it. They're doing it it you guys go fast and take a nap and we're just gonna i'll just stand on the right side here and get the puck out yeah and find a way to score you know one thing i will say about the leafs in the periods it hasn't gone their way where they've been outplayed they're not making a ton of glaring errors like they had in past years like they're just not creating anything they have no offense at all they can't

sustain any pressure but they're still pretty good defensively i think they've made life manageable for samsonov we've said the leafs goalie needs to outplay the other goalie he has even though he's an ad he has he has so far but that helps that the other guy's been bad. It's really helped that the bar is not that high right now. Yeah, he lay in the jump rope on the ground, but they're getting over it. He's getting over it, so. Score tonight, Edmonton, LA, big.

You know, Connor's got to have a night. He's had two goals and four assists in four games. Unlike Connor. Unlike him. He's due for like a two-goal, you got five tonight i'm going five four oilers in overtime and jack campbell is a net when they win wow i like that i'm gonna take a uh they just win one going away tonight jack campbell ends up in this game not a chance they win oh happened last game yeah he's been great in the playoffs it'll be fine playoff jack bring him back bring him back you you want 14 more wins

from the toronto maple leafs like you watched the last two wins in tampa yes please what a show boys what a show what a game colby arm Armstrong. Gary Volk. And Louis DeBrusque. Oh, I'm exhausted. Yeah, I was lost. So tired. We thank all of you. Almost 4,000 viewers on YouTube. I asked for 1,000 likes.

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