Real Kyper & Bourne - Cats Down to Their Last Life

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne, and Sam McKee react to Nick Taylor winning this year’s RBC Canadian Open, making him the first Canadian winner since 1954, how the country has reacted and the unfortunate event of Adam Hadwin getting tackled by security. Next up, Frank Seravalli from the Daily Faceoff joins the show to give his take on whether Auston Matthews will resign before July 1st, the lack of movement from Brad Treliving so far and what Treliving has in store for Sheldon Keefe. Finally, the guys wrap up with the potential of the Vegas Golden Knights winning the Stanley Cup ahead of tonight’s Game 5 matchup.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

This is Real Kipper and Bourne on Sportsnet 590 The Van. On Monday, June 12th. Hope everybody had a great weekend. We know we had one pretty good. Yeah, just pretty good. As we're turning this into a golf show for the next hour. How can you not? Holy smokes.

Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Derek Brandeo, General Nick, and sometimes real Kipper and Bourne, and sometimes the golf show on Saturday. I don't even know the name of your show. You nailed it. It's the golf show. Oh, is it? Yeah.

It's pretty simple. Isn't the golf guys? Well, no. We are the golf guys. You're the golf guys on the golf show? We are the golf guys. Yeah, yeah, we are the golf guys. You're the golf guys on the golf show? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So lots of golf talk, yeah.

So what is your next Saturday show? You're going to be like grapes where everybody talks about it all week, but you still want to wait to hear. We did one today. We recorded one today. Oh, did you? Oh, yeah. We had to hop on. I mean, it's not often that a Canadian hits a 72-foot eagle putt

to win his national open. It doesn't happen that often, so we thought we better get in the studio and do a quick one this morning. Congratulations to Nick Taylor. As Sammy just mentioned, jarred a 72-foot bomb for an eagle to become the first Canadian to win in 69 years. Where were you when it went in? We were just roaming around and then just racing to get out of there, beat the crowd.

One step towards the Mercedes? Yes. My thanks to RBC and the Toronto Star, Tour Star, for hosting me yesterday. Wow. It was great. I walked the course a lot. I just... What did you think of the course?

It's really hard to focus. It's like every time you see somebody hit a ball, you're like, you're looking around at the next tee box. It's like, oh, I'm going to go see. It's like squirrel, squirrel. And then it's like, go watch the next shot. Yeah. So I would say that I would agree with that. But, you know, I'm inside the ropes there, fellas, as a accredited media member.

I'm a big J journalist. shooter when did you when did you start getting accredited uh this is my second year yeah being accredited and i made the concerted effort to follow nick taylor i went out on hole one saw his first tee shot to the last 72 foot putt that he made all from a pretty close range it was pretty special boys i uh lots of people love our show i can't thank the people enough that stopped me and said they love the show you know they're yelling sammy at me it's cool man and i i really like i really do appreciate that stuff i know kipper got his name chanted at the rank they're all yelling uh big you-know-what Nick at Kiprios instead of at Nick Taylor. It was great.

It was, yeah, you know, it's just not friends and family listening to us, guys. That's what I got out of yesterday. Yeah. We've expanded past the family circle now. Yeah. It was great. So that was good.

What's the longest putt you guys have ever hit? You know, I got a funny story, actually. One of those times playing at a bachelor party, and one of those, if this goes in, everyone has to shock in a beer type of thing. About that length, I would say. But you know how it is. You putt a million golf balls, you get one of those random ones.

Not on a playoff hole for a championship. Probably a 50-footer. I don't know if I've ever been 72. Like, I'm watching his putt and all i can think of is like force fleetwood to to make his putt and a two putt would be really nice cozy it up they actually said two putts is no guarantee is what he says on the broadcast i said that multiple times to gunner i'm like this is not an easy two-putt. And it wasn't even like an anticipation. It was just like, it's in. It was in the middle the whole way.

It's just in. It's just gone. See it. Don't see it. It's over. There was an army of people around the green, inside the ropes. Not just the outside the ropes people, but like standing a foot away from me was Justin Rose, Shane Lowry, Hattonon all the canadian golfers everybody was like right there

locked into this and i umbrellas all the oakdale people were there all the golf canada people i the umbrellas were just blocking my view so i actually did not see the putt enter the hole oh yeah but all i could hear was i was kind of fighting, but you could just hear the crowd, the anticipation growing, growing, and then the drop, and it wasn't an all-time eruption. I've been at a lot of loud sporting events. That was loud. It was. For me, the first thing I thought of is, like, it's an overtime goal.

It is. 100%. Go right to your trunk. Put your clubs in and go home. You know, it's a walk-off home run. Yeah. And he threw the putter like Jose Batista flipped the bat. Oh, gave it the bat flip.

A good Canadian. And it being 72 feet after the 72 Summit Series and the bat flip, it was all too Canadian. And then Adam Hadwin gets tackled like he's some poor receiver with Troy Polamalu in his prime. Just gets taken down. You believe that? You know, like that security guard, great job by him and all,

but like he didn't anticipate some friends running up with some champagne? Would a random hooligan have a bottle of Moet? You've got CBS there. You've got the best golfers in the world there. You assume like how many security meetings would they have had prior to the tournament and during the... But none of them ever wanted to say, hey,

on the 18th hole, if people start coming in, like, who's there? Who's accredited? Who's not? Who can I tackle? Who I can't? It's just all out the window. And they're like, Van Dam over there, you're the guy who's on high alert. Come on.

That poor security guard. He did his job. He drilled them. He has no idea. It's mayhem. The best thing ever, though, because I don't know if you noticed, but more than there was people that broke the line when he won. And he did a, like, the security guard,

every other security guard did a good job of keeping people away from it. But I guess they thought he was one that slipped through. I saw one guy jump down off the VIP box that you were sitting in, kind of snuck down in, and he was just standing on the green there, just standing around having a good time. He was there the whole time.

He got away with it. So, like, people took advantage of it. But I will say, last thing I'll say is I'm very thankful for Tommy Fleetwood. Because there's a lot of guys in that situation where if you don't, like, if you're not the biggest golf follower, you don't really, like, this is kind of what Tommy Fleetwood does. Like, he was, you know, when he's standing on that tee,

the very birdie-able 18th hole, which everyone was birdieing. They tore that thing apart all week. You knew that he was incredibly nervous for his first PGA Tour win, and he was the right guy for that playoff. Let's just say that. Excuse me for Tommy Fleetwood's never won a PGA Tour event? No, sir. That is shocking.

I know. And he's blown a lot of them. That was his first playoff, too. Yeah, that was the perfect spot. And you know what? He got lucky to even be in that spot because he hit one into the gd grandstand but you know how much do you know how better of a golfer i would be if i had those stands when i played not even an unplayable just a free i'd lose

five strokes off my game yeah oh yeah i'd be i'd be shooting 75 if i could bounce one off and not get a wall it's like oh yeah i'm gonna block one 100 yards right that's no problem that was in the parking lot you gotta you gotta suffer a stroke penalty awesome yeah it's a great thing anyways i'm really i just was overwhelmed yesterday it was and he was such a class act, too, acknowledging the moment for Nick and the country. And for him to shout out Weir in his acceptance speech and be like, this was supposed to be Weir's moment, you know, when he lost to Vijay and he lost in the playoff.

This was supposed to be his moment. And I'm happy that I'm here to have his. Taylor's crying. I'm crying. God. I jumped up like when he that putt went in, I did not know how I acted. Just one more thought for me

being an ex-athlete watching Nick Taylor come through the final few holes and then to have Fleetwood tie him. His game face locked in those four holes,

like he never broke. It was not a smile, but not like you couldn't tell whether he was up five or down five. Like just the mental strength that he was not going to be denied. Sammy asked a was unbelievable the press conference of him because taylor did a walk and talk he didn't interview four holes from the end of the the first or the final round he did it on 15 15 so he's walking up and he's got it he's tied for the lead at his national open and he's like taking questions from immelman and and uh yeah

didn't he have to shut up because uh he was uh his partner was gonna hit his yeah i i didn't he have to shut up because his partner was going to hit? Yeah, I didn't see it. I still haven't seen it. I saw the interview. Yeah, he's like, oh, somebody's hitting. I better be quiet here. And I had to ask him in the presser. I was just genuinely interested.

I was like, when did you agree to do that? And he told me that it was yesterday. And shout out Jim Nance. I didn't get a chance to text him today. But he, anyways, his call. Jim Nance. I didn't get a chance to text him today, but he Marquesi. Anyways, his call was amazing.

Glorious and free. Right in it. Hit it hard. You know there's going to be documentaries on this win. There'll be a Netflix movie and that's what it's going to be called. He says, are you serious before the ball goes in the hole? He knows. Are you serious? My goodness.

How good are you at your job? It's ridiculous. If you get a chance to, Mark Sacchino, who obviously is competition on TSM, but he does SiriusXM, and he does the play-by-play for SiriusXM radio, his call of it is, let's just say a little passion involved. I watched it.

It was really, really good. All right, we done? Yeah, we I watched. It was really, really good. Anyways. Alright, we done? Yeah, we're done. Sorry folks for listening. YouTube is apoplectic right now about the amount of golf talk. Well, whatever. It's a heritage moment in Canada. Give us a sec. One win away from

Vegas, winning the Stanley Cup, but we got that game tomorrow night. We got where else do you want to go? This will be the fifth game in 15 days. So far, yeah, it's been four games in the last two weeks. So kind of losing momentum a little bit here, but. Teams that take a 3-1 lead in a best-of-seven Stanley Cup final

win the series 36 out of 37 times, 97.3%. Is that good? That feels like it's over. It's pretty okay. Yeah. All you need to do is get to 3-2 for Vegas. The most games without a loss when scoring three-plus goals in the postseason. Most ever.

Golden Knights, 15. Just get to three and you win. All right. In about nine minutes, Frank Cervelli, hockey insider and president of hockey content for Daily Faceoff is going to join us. And we'll get into his thoughts on before movement well even before trade deadline signings we'll ask him of course about austin matthews i think that's lovely and i look forward to it yeah but before we get to him yeah i hope you're not bothered by this

but i wanted to ask you about senator stuff yeah i know you're involved and i know you can't say too much but my group's out does i do the. Yeah, when's the NDA over? Is it in perpetuity? Yeah. But, you know, we're reading stuff. Is it true that, do you know, is your group out? Are you at liberty to say? Yeah.

Well, there are reports out there and I can confirm reports as of Friday that my group was not moving forward. Yeah. And. Well, there, is there a chance that you could move? Listen. Switch course on that? This is without me knowing what's going on in the last 12 hours or 24 hours.

I spent the day at golf. I did not follow up with anybody. Is there a possibility that it can be revisited? Yes, we're talking about any negotiation. A deal isn't a deal with anybody until it's done. Right. Anybody check Twitter in the last 10 seconds? Has there been an announcement?

Is there a deal done? And if there's not, there's always the ability for people to go back or revisit things. And, you know, it's just, and I know there's always the ability for people to go back or or or revisit things and you know it's just and i know there's so much talk and i i don't know when it was a week ago 10 days ago when you know there was first thoughts about this thing kind of going sideways and i said i couldn't speak for other groups yeah but as far as i was concerned everything seemed seemed to be on the up and up in terms of – and listen, I don't – people want to say it's a circus. People want to say it's a joke, it's a gong show, whatever.

I can only say this. It's a negotiation. Yeah. Okay? And when there's two parties going on a negotiation – A lot of money involved, go buy a house. You're going to put terms and agreements in and you can say,

Oh yes, I'm okay with that. No, that's no good. Take that out. Oh, you won't take that out. Okay.

Well, I'm not, I'm not moving forward then. It's just, it's just business. Yeah. And I think that's just what's going on here. Yeah.

I mean, I'm not, this is not putting words in your mouth. I'm just reading what I'm seeing on Twitter. Sean Simpson's a guy who's been tweeting about it quite a bit. Gary Ock has some articles on it. You know, the understanding I think just seeing on Twitter is that the Senators have something like 400 or 450 million in debt. The girls who would sell the team would owe capital gains on the difference between what Eugene bought the team for

and what they sold it for. So, you know, 100 million, 1 billion, there's $900 million left. If you owe 400 to the debt, the two girls can split that amount, and then they owe capital gains on their numbers, which is a lot of tax, $100 million each, somewhere in that ballpark. He's saying that, you know, someone had asked for the girls tax bill to be covered in some of the deals. This is just the stuff that's out there right now.

I don't know what's happening, but it needs to happen because Alex to bring its deal is up. Like the team is trying to get new building. There's lots going on and it's, it is, it's got it. I'm seeing for the first time pressure on the girls. Like, okay, pay the capital gains tax. Take your $125 million and say see ya. To be frank, when you're dealing with a potential sale as reported up to a billion dollars,

nobody cares about the brinket. Nobody cares about any draft or deadlines coming. They should. I know they should, but I got to make sure that if I'm spending it here, this is looked after before that's looked after. Yeah. And that's all the focus is right now is on a sale. But you're dividing up the money from all these different pies you've sold.

Yes. You need to worry about baking more pies. Yeah, I know. You need to be making more money. You're not wrong. So it matters. I know. You're not wrong.

And one can affect the other like is it the sale is is it a same sale price if it includes a potential to bring it 50 million dollar contract because right that's an asset right and you're if you're adding an asset where does that play into the final price yeah if you if you trade them for a couple of picks all of a sudden i've i've lost an asset so yeah does my price come down and as a player if i know a billion dollar owner who just tried to buy a nfl team for six billion i know the guy's got the bucks i'm like i'll play here we're gonna be looked after if i don't know who's gonna own the team i'm like i'm not becoming arizona i'm out so it affects the ability to keep people. At the end of the day,

you've got some people with very deep pockets in a negotiation. Yeah. And everybody's got the right to ask for anything, you know? Ask for the moon. Maybe you get it, maybe you don't. Yeah. But if you don't get the moon. Maybe you settle for. Maybe you don't. Yeah. But,

but if you don't get the moon, maybe you settle for the stars, as they say, right? Just purchase the, take the stars. Just take the stars and move on. But hopefully this,

this comes to an end for most importantly, the Ottawa Senator fans. For sure. And that's, that's it. That's where we're at. Okay. Well,

I look forward to, this is fascinating, but because there was that, so much of a gold rush of excitement. It's Sno we're at. Okay. Well, I look forward to, this is fascinating, because there was that, so much of a gold rush of excitement. It's Snoop Dogg. It's The Weeknd. It's Nick Kiprios. Well, it's. Now it's like, is there anyone?

I don't know. It's going to be someone, right? How many groups did they start with? Yeah. Ten? A lot. Seven? And then it's dwindled.

And now nobody's sure how many are involved still. Maybe they'll get you back involved. And that includes me. Yep. We'll see. We'll see where it goes, but hopefully again. Before we get to Frank, we didn't get a chance to ask you about Shane Doan getting hired.

Did you? Yeah, we talked about it briefly, but I don't think I got your perspective on it. And Shane's been on our show as recently as after the Christmas tournament to Davos. Yeah. And he's a quality guy, well-respected guy. You know, unfortunately, I think the tough part now for Shane Doan is that the perception that he's a hired gun to go get Austin signed, right? Is that better or worse than the perception that he's jumping off the sinking ship in Arizona?

He said it, I think, in his press conference that how many opportunities do you get to be involved with a historic franchise? And that is an appealing in itself, even though the lack of success that they've had since winning the Cup in 67. So that lures there. And I don't think anybody can blame him for not wanting to stick around in an organization where you don't even know if they're going to be there in a year or two. Right.

So. Saw something else today. I think that's fine. But the one thing is. Matthews and us. Yeah, Matthews and where Matthews is going. And if it's, if by chance he's not signed by July 1st, are people going to look at Shane Doan and go, hey.

That was your thing, dude. You had one job to do, Shane. And that's convince Matthews to sign. So that to me is a little tricky for him off the bat. Doan can offer him shares in Dutton Ranch that he owns there in Arizona or whatever he calls his own ranch. And that's not his be-all, end-all here, but that's what people will remember

if it's not a good outcome for Leaf fans and Austin Matthews. The thing is, the team hasn't made that claim. Anything that, like, Doan is here for Matthews' purposes seems to be projected onto the team from just us. Not you and me, but just people from the outside. But how can you blame people for not going there first i mean you well it's not like shane doan is not going to be a sought after guy he's a you know unbelievable nhl career respected hockey person like he's a he's a guy

from arizona yeah or your superstar is from arizona come on it's one plus one it's connecting the dots that's the first place you go it's one plus one plus one's one plus one. It's connecting the dots. That's the first place you go. It's one plus one plus one plus one plus one. But the math does add up. Has he got a bonus in his deal? I bet. That would be fascinating. They're like every 10 grand that Matthews is under 14 million,

you get two grand. He was Austin's favorite player growing up. I thought Breer was. Oh, was he? I think he was Breer. Breer was Austin Matthews' favorite player? I remember him loving Breer. When did they sign Breer?

Well, he already had a job. Earlier. Flyers could use some talent. Oh, yeah. And we got Frank Cervelli. Maybe he's on the line with us now. Is he? Yeah, I think. Okay, Frank. You're an insider.

Frank Cervelli's joining us now from Daily Faceoff. Does all the hockey content. Would Shane Doan have a bonus in his contract if Austin signs with the Leafs again? I doubt it.

Come on, we're making stuff up here. It's June, Frank. Listen, the Leafs are out. We're making crap as we go along here. Go with it. Hey, that's what July and August are for. We still got stuff to talk about in June. We jump the gun.

All right, fair enough. Where are we here? Is there a sense of urgency before July 1st and a no trade kicks in for Austin? Are you hearing anything or is there a sense that there's doesn't seem to be a huge rush here? I don't think there's really any rush from the Matthews camp, but I do think there is a sense of urgency from the Leafs, mainly because of

the person that's now running the show in Brad Tree Living. He mentioned at his opening press conference, and then you also heard Craig Conroy at his opening press conference, use the term asset management with regards to allowing a player like Johnny Gaudreau to get into the final year of his deal push off re-signing then table talks during the season till till the offseason and then allowing him to essentially slip out of town for nothing and at varying points they might have been comfortable thinking that oh he's telling us he wants to be here and i'm not saying that the same is going to happen with austin matthews but i do think that there's two people that are now current nhl general managers that live that and have a little bit

of scar tissue that's there that say not only do they not want to go through that again, but they also want to make sure that they don't lose any leverage in the process. If any exists before that, no trade clause kicks in. Yeah. I mean, this is obviously everyone in Toronto hanging with bated breath, waiting for this thing to unfold.

Surely he's been there now and they've had those talks. We're looking forward to getting some news on that. We're looking forward to getting some news on that. We're looking forward to getting some news on anything. We haven't heard much since Tree Living has started his sort of organizational handshakes and assessment and whatnot. Have you heard anything regarding the coaching search or really anything else regarding the Leafs?

As I said, it's been very quiet on our end. It seems like there was so much for Brad true living to tackle that maybe the approach since then has been, I don't want to say scattershot, but just you're trying to tick things off your list as you can, meaning you want to get to Austin Matthews and get to Arizona and have that conversation. You want to hire Shane Doan as you did and fill out your staff. You want to figure out what's going on with the coaching search, meaning get to know Sheldon Keefe.

Is this the guy you want to have around? And if so, do you really want to go through another lame duck coaching season? We saw going back in Brad Tree Living's playbook last year, he extended Daryl Sutter for the year before the season started, and it ended up being a move that the Flames really came to regret. There's a lot of things happening. I'm sure he's doing his due diligence to check some of those boxes and begin to move things off of his plate, but it's an overwhelming avalanche of things on the

priority list to tackle do you think frank the longer this goes without any word that sheldon would feel better or feel worse well i i was making this joke with someone the other day kipper they're saying well when are we going to get word on sheldon keith and i'm like what do you mean get word are you going to think they're going to send out a press release or hold a press conference to say sheldon keith is remaining as coach no it's business as usual you just keep moving right along and you keep if you're sheldon keep cashing those paychecks every 15th and 30th. That's just how it works. You know, talk to some of the other coaches that have been dangled out there, even just this offseason, whether it's John Hines or DJ Smith

that's been twisting in the wind with regards to this Ottawa sale. It's an uncomfortable place to be, but it's also the nature of the beast. And my guess is probably the the biggest hurdle that the Leafs are going to have to clear when it comes to Sheldon Keefe is I think that Brad Treleving this is just my assumption based on the tea leaves that I've been reading my is that he's inclined to keep Sheldon Keefe as coach doesn't want a lame duck scenario but then if you're sitting there and you're Sheldon Keefe you're going hold on a second I've got a sterling record here as head coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs in the regular season I know we haven't had the playoff

success but hey I don't play the games I just try and prepare the players as best I can maybe he wants to be paid as one of the top coaches in the league based on his job assignment i don't know maybe that's a sticking point there's there's a lot of factors in play but i think part of the way the leafs approach this was how do we know that we don't already have the best of who is available with sheldon keith on our bench and presumably were they to consider other coaches, they would have to have talks with those guys and figure out what that would look like. It isn't a fascinating wrinkle,

like Sheldon Keefe doesn't have to sign an extension. They're having long negotiations about severance, maybe, Kip, or both of them knowing it may come at some point. And by the way, Borny, the Preds kind of went through this. Yeah. They had John Hines in place, and part of the thought process from barry trotz as he entered his first sort of coaching search as gm was if i end up not

making a move i'm really comfortable with john hines still being the guy but i still want to interview people and still talk to people to get a sense of what this position is like. I don't have any indication that the Leafs have gone down that road and or plan to, but it also, given that one other team's already done it this summer, it wouldn't shock me for that to be the case. So Hines had one more year left on his deal like Sheldon? Yep. And are you a believer that Brad that brad tree living would look at sheldon say if i'm

gonna bring him back okay you may not hit the home run with your your impeccable regular season record so i'll just give you this one year deal or do you believe that we're in this new world where you can easily play out your option here and you will wait again like we did on Kyle? I don't know what anyone's thinking in this situation. I can only tell you what I would be feeling in that situation if I was Sheldon Keefe and they came to me and said, well, we like you. We want to keep you, but we're only going to give you a one-year extension. Like, what does that even mean?

Like, I would just say I'm either I'm cool coaching into my final year and we'll assess things as they go or just can be now. It's kind of like the situation that John Hines was in. The Preds don't feel bad because they knew that they were paying him for one additional season regardless of what happened but i always think about it like at varying points during any season guys we always hear the rumblings and the rumors of if this team loses tomorrow coach x is getting canned and you're like wait a second we're deciding this based on one game if you're already

having the conversation you already know you've got your answer just in the same way that i was thinking about with the preds if you are interviewing other candidates behind john hines's back which they told him they were evaluating the process they didn't tell him they were interviewing other candidates don't you already have your answer? Yep. That's a Lou Lamorello staple. That sort of a line of thinking is that if you have to ask the question, you already know the answer.

And I think that's fair. You know, my, my big fear here, Frank, as someone who covers the team and frankly, I'd love to see him do well being here in Toronto is that it's more, more of what you're talking about, where they say,

maybe it's a one-year deal. We're not really sure. I feel like going into, they have a lot of big decisions, and you can't really half-cook these ideas. If you decide to go past July 1st with Marner and with Nylander and nothing happens, do you feel like it's a little insane for this team to run back the exact same team and coach,

given the past of this team? I personally do, just because how many times do you need to see it and see it not work in order for you to get it? And I think that's kind of one of the dangers of watching a team like the Vegas Golden Knights go on a run to win the Stanley Cup, most likely. They've done nothing but make major changes. Well, I would disagree in that if you look at their roster from last year, one that didn't make the playoffs, I know health was an issue,

but you brought the entire roster back except you said goodbye to max patch already because of a salary cap constraint and your goaltending was worse off this year, at least on paper to start the year. And the only thing you really did was make a coaching change. Like this week, last year, Jack Eichel was on a boat in Hawaii on vacation. Let's like, Jack Eichel was on a boat in Hawaii on vacation. So I think what happens is when you see a team miss the playoffs and then get to the final this year and could win it,

you have the Edmonton Oilers sitting there today saying, man, that could have been us. And you have other teams around the league, probably the Leafs looking at the Panthers in the final saying, hey, that could have been us. And you lull yourself into a complacency of thinking, maybe we're just that good. Maybe we just needed luck or some things to fall in place for us. And whatever happened, we would have made it.

If, if, if. At some point, it's lunacy. Yeah. When I think of Vegas right right now i think of them going into the finals in their first year and and not resting on that right and look at the the ads and the changes and yeah some of the hits and misses but they weren't scared to take their bat off their shoulder and swing for some big pieces here. Stone, Patrangelo. And they deserve full marks for that.

You know, the decision to let Marc-Andre Fleury go, which, yeah, I know, I get it. You know, the goaltending's always a crapshoot, but, hey, sometimes you got to make some bold, tough decisions that may not look popular, but give them credit. They had the guts to make all these decisions the last three years not gonna walk in and do that right well maybe he should i know yeah frank maybe he should

i just i think at some point you're going to be forced to make these decisions anyways based on a contractual the contractual and cyclical nature of this sport and the salary cap yeah so why not preempt it and get what you want as opposed to essentially being forced to move a guy or two because you have to speaking of contractual situations did i see that you said uh you thought there was 60% chance that the Winnipeg Jets would move their four big names there? Wow, what a pull that is. I did say that. And the question was, what percentage chance would you place on all four of those guys being gone?

Yeah. And I think it's better than 50%. That being Shifley,ois wheeler and hellbuck correct and so that's just i just look at the history of shovel day off and to me it's he's been a pretty passive gm by and large is he not he had four career trades i'm going back in my brain i don't know. I think he has. Yes. Yes. Stastny, Kevin Hayes. I mean, there's very few big whopper deals. And I think that's actually, if you're a Jets fan,

that makes this summer so exciting and intoxicating is the idea that after seven or eight years, you're Kevin Shevelday off. You get to sit there and play with your Play-Doh this summer and reshape and remold this team into something else. And what time frame would that be most likely at? Like draft time? Yeah, in the next three weeks.

Where do you see Hellebuck as a landing spot? I'm thinking New Jersey. I'm thinking L.A I'm thinking LA maybe. LA makes the most sense to me. Like if you were just purely looking at team on the precipice of becoming more, taking advantage of another year of Andrzej Kopitar before his deal is up, it's a big swing. But I also think that king's team with all the

young pieces they have is really just beginning to have their championship window cracked open and a lot of people right after the gavrikov deal when he resigned and the trade of walker and uh peterson they were saying well this has just opened up enough space for them to go after Corpus Allo. If they wanted to, they could have already gotten that done. I don't think that's the play. I also just think L.A. has so many guys in their organization and system that they don't have to, like, they're going to have, excuse me, have to trade some of these guys in order to make room like there's just too many guys and so of the young players they have perhaps they could entice some of them with the more nhl ready versions of them into you know giving winnipeg what they need in

order to make this happen one more for me frank and i want to stay on Hellebuck. Has he got a case to be the third NHL goaltender to make over $10 million? I don't think so. He has a case. I mean, this is just personally how I view the position and the sport is that I think you should pay a premium. Like, first off, let me disclose that sometimes I think hockey should just change the name to goalie because if you don't have one,

you can't win. But that said, I think you should pay a premium for consistent excellence, which Hellebuck has in the most fickle position in pro sports. You don't know what you're getting week to week let alone year to year there's maybe five six guys in the entire league that you can count on in that way and hellebuck's one of them but that said given that we are potentially entering a fourth straight year of a frozen salary cap i i can't envision paying any goaltender more than 10 of the cap and that's you know 8.3 or million dollars or so in an aav that's sort of the the world that i'd be targeting

hellebuck in and the other part of it is go back to the contract that sergey boborovsky signed with the florida panthers there's only even if you're able to trade for him and acquire his rights there's only so many teams that can actually afford to pay a goalie that much and if you're one of them you know are you gonna bid against yourself like that's still the most shocking part of the Bobrovsky deal is there was no one else in the picture to sign him. No kidding. And no state tax. He's been living right, pal. You couldn't shave a million off of that? A million and a half?

Right. Anyways. Hey, Frank. And it's still the worst contract in the game. I don't care if you get to the cup final. I don't even care if you win. I was waiting for someone to say, hey, look how good that looks now that they might win the cup. I'm sorry. Did he get angry about it? terrible yeah great stuff frank really appreciate your time

have a good one guys thanks frank frank cerebelli daily face off you know like every time after the stanley cup finals teams go well we want to do what that team did and it's copycat league everyone says that it's funny because now you're hearing people talk about and we've talked about like well maybe goaltending it can be anyone it can be any player it can be whatever and it's just a ridiculous notion just want to note that the goalies in the final four were um so you got hill is the guy that people are up at arms about or whatever but there's a lot of stat people who really liked him before the year he's the most random guy listen he's he he came in making 2.1 that's not chump change no he was a guy that had respect he was you know that i think people thought was a good goalie yeah he's not like a fly in the wall 750 right pull him out of the basement right and bobrovsky say what you will about his contract he's won two vesna trophies

the great players can you know pull it out once in a while again. Yet Ottinger is one of the final four goalies who's, you know, a top five goalie in the league. And Freddie Anderson is a career 9-15 and the playoffs a career 9-17. He's also not bad. So this idea that any goalie can do it, I don't like it. And I don't like it for the Leafs as a plan either. It doesn't matter. Anyone can get hot. It's not the case. like it. I don't like it for the Leafs as a plan either. It doesn't matter.

Anyone can get hot. It's not the case. Beat it. And Hill's only 27. It's not like he's 32 or 33 with just one of those kicks at the can. He's going to be a starter in this league for the next five years. Making probably five million a year. Yeah.

You know? So he's not a fourth stringer or whatever you hear people calling him. He was injured this year, which is why he wasn't the backup for a while. Yeah. Anyway, we should break probably. All right. Let's take a break here. Still got playoff picks.

Sammy, get them ready for us, pal. Oh, I got them. All right. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee, back after the break. on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Real Kipper and Born on Sportsnet 590, The Van. Real Kipper and Born, we're back. All right, Tammy, let her rip. Sorry, I was just fielding some texts from a friend of mine that was just slandering that sports moment yesterday.

Oh, slandering? What's the slander? He's just like, it's not even a top 10 moment. I was actually just disgusted for that entire break. I'm sorry. I was out of the room. It's a top 10 moment for us. In Canadian sports history, for sure.

Yeah. So he was just saying it's not even close to top 10. He said it's not top 50. It's one of two great Canadian golf moments. we are winning the masters and that yeah bob week said during the ceremony he's like and the greatest pot in canadian golf history and i was like mike we are literally hit an 11 footer to make a playoff yeah master that was like that's pretty cool yeah yeah anyways okay so playoff pitch, okay. So, playoff picks. With a much better field. Playoff picks.

Hey. Now you're starting to sound like my buddy. I'm just stating facts, buddy. I'm just stating facts. You're the facts stater. You like the facts. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good narrative. All right, fellas.

Florida, obviously, in a massive hole here. Oh, this is playoff picks presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds. Like I said, Florida, big hole. If you believe they can dig out of it, and I don't know if you should feel like that considering the stat that I read at the start of the show, teams that take a 3-1 lead in the best-of-seven Stanley Cup final

win the series 36 out of 37 times, 97.3%. So when you look at these Florida odds, 10-1, maybe not the juiciest number that you thought it might be but you know if you if you believe in the cats not the worst bet but you're just not getting a better team which if you're up 3-1 you probably are they're not sleeping through one yeah at this stage yeah like you're right you're gonna have to get three hard efforts you're gonna have to beat them three times hard in a row. Yeah. Which is going to be really tough for them. So they posted some NHL draft odds on Bet365. Ooh, we're there.

And you cannot even bet on the first overall pick. It is not posted. So you can bet on who the second overall pick is going to be. And Adam Fantilli is a massive favorite at minus 500 to go second overall. But I was looking. Can you remind me who the top three picks is? Do you guys know the order? Montreal, sorry, Chicago.

I was like, oh my God, please no. Chicago. Chicago, Anaheim. Montreal? Columbus. Columbus has third. So Fantilli is minus 500 to go second. Leo Carlson, who's had a lot of buzz, is plus 550 to go second.

Michkov, plus 700. A man named Will Smith is plus 1, go second. Mishkov plus 700. A man named Will Smith is plus 1400 and down the list. What do you think? Would you take him top five? I would if I had, yeah, if I had like Ovi on my team or I had some sort of direct ally in Russia that could make sure I'm going to get him. But sounds like he may

be there for a couple years it would give me pause would he be worth waiting a year to pick a ninth or something i'm like for sure let's try this but probably probably would be i think it's a pretty stiff task for him to go third overall but the fact that i mean to go second overall but the fact that those numbers aren't that huge like le Leo Carlson's plus 550, which isn't like a massive number. Yeah. They think it's within the realm of possibility, and then it just goes down the list with guys that I've, to be honest, never heard of.

And then. Cover the National League. And my last thing I got here is after coming down from the Canadian Open, which will be, we have a major this weekend, the U.S. Open. And I was thinking about betting on Brooks Koepka to win the U.S. Open. The markets have figured out Brooks Koepka. The value is gone. He is a 11 to 1.

He is the third favorite. The last four years. Scheffler's plus 600. Jon Rahm plus 900, Kepka plus 1,100, and Rory McIlroy plus 1,200 are the four faves. I think Justin Thomas is plus 3,500 or something. He's a real long shot for a

pretty darn good golfer. That one tempts me. You know what's incredible? Two years in a row, the RBC Canadian Open got hammered twice by Liv News. That's right. Two years in a row. Fantastic finishes. It powered through anyway.

It powered through. Yep. So that was Playoff Picks presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds, fellas. And there's a little NBA tonight too if your nuggets are going to win. Okay. And what did I see about McGregor knocking out the mascot? Oh, my God.

A good left. I guess the guy, I don't know if this is just like a promotional thing, but they said he had to go to the hospital. At some point, wasn't it scripted that this was going to be a pretend punch? He dinged him pretty good. That was no pretend punch. He followed up with one where you could see the guy react inside the costume. That was a professional left hook to the bean.

That man ain't right. I mean. That's not part of the job description, taking a punch from one of the hardest fighters in the world. I was even like, how do they get him to do that? It's the Miami Heat. They're like, would you come out and deck our mascot or the opposing mascot? I don't. I'd say yes. That's the way it would work. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And he're like, would you come out and deck our mascot or the opposing mascot? I don't. I'd say yes.

That's the way it would work. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And he was like, sure. Do they pay him? Word for word. Someone just calls him. Connor.

Heat here. And we're not going to tell him. That guy's a total loose cannon. He is a loose cannon. Yeah. You know, one of those guys that I know is a scummy guy and I kind of root for anyway. Like, I know he's a bad person. Not a fan.

Yeah, he entertains me. Just before we go to air, I'm just going to totally de-script this thing again like it's Friday. You just took a call out there. Is this sounded more, sorry, more... You know what? Come on. I do have a sense that the sale is going to get complete real soon here. Okay.

For the Ottawa Senators. Really? Yeah. We'll just have to wait and see. Yes, we will. But that feels like news. I'm sure Senators fans would be encouraged by that. I think what's happened in the last 48 hours really kind of forced people to buckle down and get the deal done.

You know what? Those girls getting their reputations hurt in the process because you were starting to see people like, come on, you know, like, you know, move it along. So, yeah, I could see that pressure on them speeding things up. Should be wrapped up real soon here. Okay. Look for that. Any takes on the Calgary Flames?

Ryan Huska? Yeah, former Kelowna Rockets coach. Kelowna in your name, you're going to do great. My first thought is, is yes he could be great he could be not great but we know he's not expensive that's my first thought with daryl setter getting fired it was unlikely they're going to go eight million dollars in the next two years yeah so it's unlikely they were going to go pay galant or laviolette five million a season to be the coach whatever three would have been now you're seven million behind the bench behind the bench for two years so it made sense to go get

i can only imagine like the players now watching this guy come in going oh my god what a breath of fresh air what after daryl you know yeah i just hope the players don't think it's now a country club now compared to Daryl. No, you're right. But I don't feel, I feel like they got to, again, I'm dumb. I bet on the Flames all the time. I think their roster is good. They don't have a lot of wins. That doesn't help me.

So yeah, Huskers press conference underway today. Who else is left without a coach at this point? I think, are we all coached up around the league now babs going to columbus husker going to the flames keith staying in toronto anaheim's are they greg cronin there no rangers rangers are still without a coach yeah no so is this go back to our sheldon keith uh conversation it's like if you're not gonna extend me fire me and i'll go get a job with the rangers or anheim well and you still don't know what's gonna happen like new owners are they gonna keep ottawa staff in place and i guess there's still decisions to be made for a few teams

waiting for things to play out so craig conroy that is talking now and uh apparently he said that he talked to jonathan huberdo a lot during their coaching search oh he did so jonathan picked the coach is that what he's trying to say well that's what he's alluding to you got a guy who's going to be there for eight years you just and important to your team who just had a bad year i think it's good to get his opinion. Yeah, you're all in on him, that's for sure. Yeah, you don't want him to be miserable. Yeah, you kind of need him to be good.

He already traded in the Lambo for a truck to be on your team. Future Living's like, here's all the money. See ya. Yeah. You like that money? What was his AAV? 10? 10.5, I think, isn't it? Yeah.

That's a lot. That one. That one. I know Frank Cervelli mentioned Bobrovsky's contract being like, he's still not worth it. 10.5. He just, they didn't need to go to 10.5. They could have had him at nine.

Think so? Oh, yeah. But they did not have to go ten five you got a little you know tree got a little horned up on that yes he did you had to have him he got horned up that's like when you say we can we will and you're like we have to pay how horned up is he gonna get for austin on a three-year deal would you do a three-year deal i wouldn't want a three year deal for austin buddy i did a whole thing on friday when you weren't here about like how much more can they give this guy?

Like, they got to give in at every spot, so. We're going to have a... No, we're not. Next show, we're going to have a conversation. I'm going to teach you a few lessons on business. All right, well, we'll talk next week. How's that sound? Talk about who sends ownership tomorrow.

Okay, our thanks to Frank Cervelli, Sammy McKee, Nick Kiprios. We're back when we're back. Whenever that is. Hopefully tomorrow. Have a great night, everybody.