Real Kyper & Bourne - Concern Index for Hockey’s Canadian Teams

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined by four-time Stanley Cup champ Darren McCarty (9:29), who breaks down the rest of the Atlantic Division’s start to the season, including his Detroit Red Wings – are they better than the Buffalo Sabres or Ottawa Senators? They take a look around the league, including the Canadian franchises – what’s the concern index for the Edmonton Oilers? Should the Calgary Flames consider a rebuild? Plus, news and notes, including Brett Pesce’s injury for the Hurricanes, Connor Bedard vs. Brad Marchand, and Bedard’s very long shifts to start the year. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome into the national hour on the real kipper and born show i'm nick kiprios justin born sammy mckee we are live on sportsnet sports at 650 in vancouver and sports at 960 in calgary and as always this hour of real kipper and Born brought to you by Bet365. Did we feel frozen last night with 16 games on tap? Now, of course, here in Canada, we didn't get it unless we're one of Sammy's criminal neighbors who's got maybe an illegal contraption or two. He does? Sammy's neighbors do? Listen, I tell them they got to call the authorities. We do not endorse this.

Okay. We don't endorse it. So my reviews on Frozen Frenzy were good. I have buddies that have ways to watch it. Just say they live in the U.S., man. No, no. Yeah. My American buddies were texting me telling me that it was really good.

And I watched Pat McAfee today for about 40 minutes before Austin Matthews came on. And I watched it. I mean, this is the most Gen Z thing I'll ever say, but I watched it live on TikTok. And so they have live on there. They put it live on there. So I was watching all the comments. People can comment on there all the time and say, Frozen Frenzy, surprisingly good.

Frozen Frenzy, really fun. Frozen Frenzy, really well done. Which I was surprised by because people are pretty cynical about this kind of thing. And it's the first time they've ever done it. And to have it be pretty, like I've had FOMO. I wanted to be able to watch it. And I get why you can't do it here with the broadcast rights and having it be TSN sports. I understand all that. But it's cool that they kind of pulled it off on their first try,

and it's something they should do more of. It's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I liked it too. Right? A lot of hockey. Who doesn't like that? Did it feel differently, though?

Like, there's some nights when there's 12. It did, because I had a 16-team parlay that almost hit. Oh, my God. We've had 24 teams play. How close are you, Barney? Super close. 28. So how many did you get?

12 out of? 14 out of 16. Oh, my. And the two I didn't get, I was leading. Oh, my God. So when Detroit was in overtime with Columbus, my $5 bet, I was offered a $500 cash out. And I had texted our boy, Bunk, and he was like, hang in there. Oh, yeah, D-Gen.

Good night. What was your payout? They offered me $500. $37,000 was the payout on the $5 bet had I hit the whole thing. They offered me $500 to cash out on the bet. And I decided to hang in there. Detroit blows it. They go to OT and ends up losing it.

The Kraken blew it. Well, the Kraken ended up winning in OT when I had Detroit. So it fell apart. But, I mean, it felt different for me last night. I had spent the money in my head. Golf membership. Golf membership. Paid for.

Buddy, that's your bar tab. Oh, no, mine. Not yours anymore. Used to be yours. Five years ago, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Well, I made enough phone calls today to a lot of people in the States, and it's like some people get it.

Some people go, nothing, did nothing for me, and it kind of ticked off a few teams. Detroit was not happy. No. At an 8-38 start when. Newsy was unhappy. Seattle wasn't happy either because they flew in and you got to sit around and wait.

But you can't please everybody. You want to hear some Frozen Frenzy stats, guys? Of course we do. 16 games, 102 goals, 6.4 goals per game, 93 unique goal scores, 944 shots on goal, 10 road wins. The first goal by Morgan Riley at 6.30 and the last goal by Shea Theodore at 1.45 a.m. ET.

And those are all from Pat Pat McAfee show today, which was, he did a 20 minute thing on why hockey is awesome. And it did a lot more for hockey than Austin Matthews interview. Let's just say Matthews is on. And yeah, it was not thrilling by any stretch of the imagination, but it was classic hockey guy.

And Pat even asked him like, why are you guys basically like, why are you guys so guarded? Yeah. And he's just like, oh, we're in, you know,

we're just all down to earth guys. And we're hockey players and we're not promoters we're not self-promoters like a lot of your friends i had a sad epiphany today you know and i was just like maybe these guys are just not interesting yeah like maybe your life has to be so focused on hockey that you don't have time to read a damn book or go to a museum or you know whatever the too much weight on their shoulders to you know go on pat mcfee show and and now this is going to be the one that really gets people interested and it's like no it's not they asked austin what was your welcome to the nhl moment there's a highlight of the interview he's like Big smile came across his face.

Well, I scored four in my first game. You know, they were like. But prior to the league cutting ties with NBC and going with ESPN. Yeah. They wouldn't look at it. No, but like, you know how many times the NHL was featured on like the Tonight Show with Fallon? A ton.

Is that true? Yeah. No, no, no no no they did a lot they try to help promote it even kind of snuck into saturday night live every once in a while with the guy at the rink reporting stuff yeah they had chance the rapper doing like a hockey thing yeah yeah now it's good nothing from anything nothing I do wonder. Nothing, zero. You won't see another NHLer on Fallon to save yourself. I wonder if Pat McAfee is not incentivized by ESPN who bought his show for like 90 million to push hockey.

Yeah, it's great. It's great. There's not many better conduits to have. Like, he's an incredibly popular guy with one of the most popular podcasts. Yeah.

For him to do 20 minutes talking hilariously about why hockey is awesome, does a lot of good for the game. And he's had Bedard on already. They're paying some attention. A couple of the producers, one of the producers was on our show once.

He's a Pittsburgh guy who loves hockey. Oh, yeah, last year. Nick Malrato or something like that. Yeah. I want to say that was right. Anyways. We got Darren McCarty coming up in a few minutes here, four-time Stanley Cup champion and host of the Woody Wood,

I mean, Woodward Sports Network. There's no affiliation to Woody Woodpecker at all, I can assure you. He's going to join us in a couple of minutes. We'll get his thoughts on the frozen frenzy and how happy was he with an 830 start in detroit but before that is there a chance that maybe the edmonton oilers management group led by ken holland was so happy that there was 16 games played that a lot of people kind of didn't focus on the fact that scoring four goals

apparently isn't enough to beat Minnesota. I told you I got 14 to 16 right. One of the ones I got wrong was Edmonton, who was up in that game 4-3 in the third period against Minnesota before giving up five goals. So you went Edmonton win? Yeah. With no McDavid.

I'm going to bet Edmonton win from now till the end of November. This team is not this bad. Like, it is baffling. No, I think they're right where we thought there would be a team that has to. The best team in hockey? Because people thought that. I didn't. But.

Ten people here. I had them. I had them right there with the Leafs. Like, great offensively and guys that can carry the team. But if you had them with the Leafs, you have them as a 100-point team. They're playing as a basement team. I don't think they're going to miss the playoffs bad.

Right. Is that what we were talking about? I guess, yeah. I just think that that blue line and Evan Bouchard, I'm sorry, can't play five on five. Can't play. The pinch when they're up 4-3, I know they're pushing, but he makes a pinch before the Hartman-Hattrick goal that was like,

God, just stuck in the middle. No commitment to going or not going. The goal-ahead goal bounced off his stick right into the front of the net too. Which there's plenty of time left in the game. You're still in it. Like it is just the worst decision. Yeah. Well, it's a non-decision, right?

It's just stuck in no man's land. And, you know, for the Oilers team, some baffling ones. Was it him as well? No. But I was thinking the too many men penalties, Kip. Like, they took three. Three. Which I've never heard of before in my life.

I doubt there's ever been more. It would be hard. That's probably tied the NHL record. Three. Which I've never heard of before in my life. I doubt there's ever been more. It would be hard. That's probably tied the NHL record. Yeah. Like, I looked last year at the teams who had the most too many men penalties. I think Ottawa had 20. Oh, my God. Over 82 games.

That's a lot. Which is an atrocity. But Edmonton had nine all of last season. They had three in last night's game. So, you know, I don't know how you feel about blaming the coach for line change issues. I tend to think it's the players. It is the players, but somebody's got to hold them accountable,

and that ultimately falls on the coach. But it falls on the coach now. Like once that happens, it falls on the coach. Typically in the game, the coach says, Kipper, your line's up. You know? Well. Deharnais, your pair's going. I don't know.

I don't know what defenseman it was, but he gave the look-see to the bench. Was it the Kulak? It might have been Kulak. He started the change, then he didn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

We'll get back to Deharnais. Let's welcome in Darren McCarty, four-time Stanley Cup champion, doing a terrific job covering the Red Wings. How are you, pal? What's going on, boys? Just love listening to you talk about hockey. The head scratcher in the league, obviously, is the Oilers and stuff. But I think what you saw, as you guys were talking about last night,

is the question that we all have about that team it's it's in that and about holding you know the one goal lead late let alone give it up five so there's issues all around the league there's great things around the league like what we got going on in detroit so we won't worry about what uncle ken's got going on where are you uh for those of you that uh aren aren't fortunate enough to see our show you're sitting in your basement you're sitting in an office I'm looking at amazing background amazing pictures of you and your team I'm sitting in the Bob Probert Memorial Man Cave right and I got your buddy Chicklets there horse teeth Chris Draper smiling over my shoulder with the other uh for Stanley Cup. Yeah.

So Kirk will be in, obviously, the perfect human, Nick Lidstrom. Yeah. And myself with the four cups. So I'm in my humble office slash corner spot that I'm allowed at the abode. So that's where we do all this stuff. So Draper must be still smiling as uh steve eiserman's right hand man now and uh did anybody see a five one and one uh start i don't think let's be realistic i don't i don't think what we did i think what you want to see what you're seeing

is what we thought power play boom play is a catalyst for this team. You add Debrinkit, I think you go back to what Steve Heisman, because all you have to do, the hashtag Wiser plan, is listen to the man. And he said what Alex Debrinkit does, obviously natural goal scorer, as we've seen so far this year to remind people. But he makes everybody around him better.

Right? So it's all about synergies. And I think that the one thing that we've not only added like the, the one thing Kipper and you know, this right. As, as guys that, where we play, we see the game from sort of the, you know, the protected our teammates and the grind JT Comfort is sort of like, cause he's sort of activated the cops and the Rasmussens, and you look at what Valeno's doing, you know, down the lineup.

We got scoring throughout. You know, and then you have guys like Daniel Sprung and Clem Kostin and Chrissy Fisher and guys that have played in this league know what it's like to play in this league and got a little sandpaper to their game. So let alone, you know, our back end, if we started the conversation talking Edmonton,

we're along the same lines, right? It's can our defense hold up? We got some young guys in the system, but are they not ready yet? And then question mark, obviously he's in goal. Can really who's, can who's so, you know, whether the Storm or James Reimer or Alex Lyon, can they do it by committee? So, but we're so happy where it is. And it all starts, like I said, with the power play.

Clicking the way it is because legitimately when you think of power plays in this league, you got to give respect to our power play, just like you do to the OVs and, and Washington and the, and the cooch and stamp coast in Tampa. So I think that's the biggest stride. What's the potential for Dylan Larkin?

I'm sorting the stand or the stats by points right now. He's first in the NHL, you know, 14 points in seven games. Guy's never been above a point per game in his career. Is it possible at 27 27 he's taken another offensive step? Why not? Go look at who he's played with and not saying

he hasn't played with good NHL players, but he's never had a guy like Alex the Brickett on his line. I was asked today would do the big the big the energy Woodward Sports Network Kipper not Woody Woodpecker Sports Network. I got it.

I'm sorry. I don't want to get you mad at me. Yeah, I know, right? I relate this move in a different way, but along the likes of when we got Brendan Shanahan. I mean, if Shanahan went on to score, you know, in the 96-7 season, it's 49 goals for us. But it's just how dangerous he made the power play, how he made guys around him better, how he showed Martin Lapointe and myself how to, you know, be those slash, you know,

poor man's power forwards or whatever that you needed to win. And so I think it just goes up and down through the lineup. And again, also too, it's speed. They can skate. You look at last night, Seattle arguably is the fastest team in the league, you know, throughout the lineup. And that game was back and forth.

If you could stay up for it. I mean, I know it was 8.30, fuck drop for some of us old guys, but it was a heck of an exhibition of speed. You know, something that you and I had, Kipper. Oh, yeah, without a doubt. Four-time Stanley Cup champion Darren McCarty joining us on The Real Kipper and Bourne Show

and host of Woodward Sport Network. Hey, got to ask you about the blue line, and it's led by Sider, who every time I watch him he's like mr everything now uh but you've also added a guy that uh is near and dear to our producer sammy's heart uh justin hall who is off to a good start i'm like saw some of the worst pinches in the history of the game as a member of the toronto maple leaf, yet I watch him and now he's like this disciplined guy who picks his spots, who's looking real good.

Like, what's the secret here? Yeah, you know what? So if we're talking about the secret and stuff like that, look behind the bench and, you know, it's got to be my former teammate and Bob Boogner. You know, some influence in that. You want to start with Mo Sider. Mo Sider, I just relate to Victor Hedman.

He's more of that type of guy. So where was Hedman in his second and third year coming along? You know, still make some mistakes there, but log in the ice time and he's going to be everything and all that. And you look at, like you look at like Justin Hall, let's talk about him acquisition. You look at Gossespierre, Petrie, you know, these guys that like, Hall's one of those guys that's been around. He's a physical guy, right?

Which, which you need on the back end. And so I just look at a lot of times it's, it's being in the right sort of system and not being afraid. You know, when you got Steve Weisman that goes out and wants you and signs you and stuff like that and believes in you, maybe that has something to do with it. So I just like the biggest thing watching this Red Wings team

is they're not thinking. They're just playing. And they're all listening. Whatever song they're listening to, they're all listening to the same song, if that makes sense. So if they're to get in the playoffs, if they really have taken this significant step,

they have to pass some people. Some people got to fall out. And, you know, not just people they got to catch. Ottawa thought they were a lot better this summer and they're struggling. And Buffalo thought this is the year they were going to take a stride. How do you handicap Detroit

against some of the other teams in that division? Yeah. As the top of the, are they better than Buffalo and Ottawa? Well, I thought that the, I think that you nailed it right there, right?

If the, any of the, it was those three teams, Buffalo, Ottawa, and Detroit, who's going to peak their way in. And then in the same conversation,

who's going to fall out, right? Everybody thought that the way with Patrice Bergeron, the captain of Boston and stuff, it had to be them and their disappointment. I'm going, no, no, that's not the way it works. You're not going to set the league record or the first round.

Everybody else, you're on a mission, so it's not them. Might be Pittsburgh. Irrelevant. That's why it's so important to the start of the season, so you're not chasing. So whatever our Red Wings can do right now. Buffalo, unfortunately, has put themselves behind the eight ball, and that's the way it is.

So I do, I've said it all along. I had a clock that expired last year. And if I look at this Red Wings team from the starting day lineup, even to the lineup tomorrow night, compared to what it ended the season with, it's night and day. So they're better. They're going to keep being consistent. I think the coach of the line, you're going to hear the word relevant. I was going to ask you about that shirt. What's that, you're going to hear the word relevant.

I was going to ask you about that shirt. What's that? I was going to ask you about that shirt. It says Detroit Relevance 23-24. That's it. The aim is to stay in the mix. That was Coach's that's what Derek Lalonde you're going to hear. That's his

keyword for this team this year. They're back to being relevant, and I believe that that means playing a playoff game, which unfortunately all Detroit Red Wings hockey fans have not seen at Little Caesars Arena, but that is going to change. Hey, I got to ask you, how'd ESPN's Frozen F frenzy go over in Detroit? I heard Derek Lalonde, the head coach,

had some choice words about the 8.30 start. Yeah, well, I mean, it's different. And Kipper, you can talk to this too, just as a player or whatever. When you're, you know, it's one thing to go from 7. So, Julio Serena, 7.30 games, right? So, your pregame skate in the morning at 10.30 to when you eat, to your nap, to when you leave your house to get down, to adjust it to a 7 o'clock game is something,

but then to back it up another hour and a half, like there's a legitimacy to your body clock. It's not an excuse, but yeah, that just, you know, I love the fact, you know, coaches sticking up for the players because,

you know, some, most of the time it's rumblings that he's hearing in the, in the room. Can't let it, the maturity of an NHL hockey team is you can't let that affect you. There's going to be way worse stuff. That's going to affect you throughout the season.

So, uh, what, whatever. I i mean it was listen i felt it this morning if that means anything well listen if he uh if he learned how to protect his players he learned it from watching your career man you were one of the best at it really appreciate your time mac appreciate it coming from you kipper also to love what you guys do and everything about the NHL Network promoting the greatest game in the world. Everybody enjoy and remember,

go Wings. There you go. Darren McCarty. Thanks, Mac. Appreciate it. Four, not one, four Stanley Cups. God, can you imagine if you could get your hands on a player like him today? I just remember the inside-out Stanley Cup final in Detroit. I don't know who he undressed.

On Philly. Sorry? On Philly? Yeah. Just sent him packing. Went around, crossed the net. I've seen that goal a million times. Yeah, and they should never stop showing it.

And he danced around Hextall. Yeah. And the goal, he came poking way out, and he ran into him, going spinning around. And those Detroit teams are unbelievable. Yeah. I almost think you can build a really fun team without a salary cap. Fair point.

Oh, they're allowed to be good for a long time. What a concept. And the trading one right now. Exactly. Or, yeah, any good team. Yeah. And the Brawler Gates of Colorado. Oh.

Yeah, the documentary on that. Wonderful. Featuring a lot of our boy. Oh, yeah. He's all over it. For sure. Not to go back and beat the drum on that. Wonderful. Featuring a lot of our boy. Yeah, he's all over it. Not to go back and beat the drum of the Oilers, but how concerned are you that this thing snowballs? Calgary lost last night to the New York Rangers 3-1. It wasn't their best effort either.

There seems to be a lack of energy right now coming from the flames vancouver finds a way to get their points off of nashville so still still some good things going across the country but yeah it's vancouver and Calgary weren't, as Sammy said earlier, heavily favored team to go to the dance. And sometimes in the NHL, you know, teams outperform or underperform their true talent level at the start of the season, throughout the season,

it happens, right? And so, you know, we'll get to this later, but the Ottawa senators are saying not to hit the panic button and yeah, don't panic. Things can happen.

Yeah. You gotta, but Vegas is seven Oh and Oh, saying not to hit the panic button. And yeah, don't panic. Things can happen. You got to get it. But Vegas is 7-0-0. And Colorado is 6-0-0. And Boston is 6-0-0. Like the good teams win pretty consistently. So I don't think you can look at these starts and say it's nothing.

You can't say it's nothing there when the good teams are already at the top and the really bad teams are already at the bottom. It probably means something. Who are you more concerned about, Calgary or Edmonton? I'm more concerned about Calgary over the course of the year. Edmonton's start is more disastrous, but Calgary seems to have real problems that could be lasting.

I hope Edmonton pulls out of it. I don't want Edmonton to stink. They've got to pull out of this. Elliot. No, I do. I don't. Like, you know, there's a friendly rivalry between the Oilers and Leafs, but you want them to be relevant. They got the best player in the world.

Like, you want them to be relevant. Elliot Friedman reported on Hockey Night in Canada that he really feels like there's going to be some movement on a Hannafin contract, which I suppose if they get out of the gate and it's looking good there's there's reason to to think that you want to keep the momentum going but if if calgary looks like they're going to struggle again this year does that make less sense to go sign them are you then suggesting a rebuild i don't know whether or not it's a complete rebuild the huberto and cadre contract well that's the thing and then does it affect

lindholm right like it's a it's a lindholm still want to sign if it's going to be a struggle would affect things a good deal if i'm him and i'm looking at things and we're three and eight or something like that not so sure I want to do that. But it's too, you know, it's Treleving who was in there when they were a competitive team. They were a 100-point team. They're in the playoffs. He's forced into the trade to get rid of Goudreau, leaves on him. He's forced to trade Kachuk.

And then it's a different philosophy comes in. He signs Kadri. Yeah, they're back in. It's a bunch of different conflicting views if you're going to blow it up. There's no way to me. I think the problem is you thought in Huberto you're getting a top 10 offensive creator, top 20 offensive

creator and he's not. Yeah. And Kadri probably not going to match his peak outputs. No. Anyway. Yeah, it's real concerns there. Their decor is still really good, but not defending well lately. 26 goals through seven games, I guess. And Kadri has one point in seven games so far this year. Thank you.

Dash eight. Ooh. Yeah. Two struggling teams heading towards an outdoor game Sunday night. But that, to me, doesn't lower the stakes. It's early enough in the season that you need these. You need those points. And with Connor McDavid in that game, for sure, doesn't lower the stakes. It's early enough in the season that you need these. You need those points. And with Connor McDavid in that game, for sure, it should be fine.

With him definitely playing. Yeah, with 100% him playing. Just stop that nonsense talk. No, he is 100% playing. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to play. No. By the way, we have no information.

Oh, no. No information. What am I, breaking news? I'm just saying. I'm telling you, he should not play. No. By the way, we have no information. We have no information. What am I, breaking news? I'm just saying. I'm telling you, he should not play. Agree. Should and aren't are two different things. Points are too big. Do your thing?

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0.5. I'm taking the under. Okay. Thanks, buddy. I appreciate that. Got you. Just checking in on the cup odds for the favorites. Colorado Avalanche are the favorite.

Vegas Gold Knights tied at's plus 700 the next one is interesting to me it's the least next opponent the dallas stars they're nine to one they're ahead of the undefeated they're uh the undefeated bruins they're 10 to 1 they're you know it's not much better but they're ahead of them they're ahead of the hurricanes other sort of teams that you would expect to be in that mix uh they really love the stars the books which keeper you picked them right i did pick them yeah so that's uh i just bring that up because you know luke said in our first hour that this is a real opponent it's a really good test for the least coming up here playing against them i just think that uh they're big as good as Vegas has shown us

and some other teams the last few years. And they're just in the way of a lot of people. And if you're not chasing and you eventually make people come through you, you have a better chance of having success defensively. And that's what they do. They don't chase. I mean, I'm not a sold on Dallas. No?

No. Is there anything, though, Kip, that you love more if you're Bruce Cassidy and you're coaching the Vegas Golden Knights and no one at Sportsnet picks them to win the cup? Oh, my. The odds at the sportsbooks don't have them as the favorite. They just won the cup, and they're 7-0. They're tied to be the favorite.

They're 7-0. Okay. Pat Tarantino didn't even play last night. But even, oh, has he hurt her? Yeah. See the goal that kid scored for them last night, Vegas? Yeah. Through the legs.

Cotter. Cotter. Cotter. Ball Cotter. Yes. Unbelievable goal. So I think you can easily play this off if you're the coach is saying nobody believes in us they don't think we're good no they think it was a

fluke no no no no no the experts don't think we're gonna win no that's not true yes that's not true the experts think the oilers are better than you nick saban who coaches alabama football is always like now nobody believes in us. And they've been like 12 and over six, three years. Don't confuse that they know Edmonton. They hope. It's a wish.

Majority of the people here had Leafs and Edmonton in a final because it's self-serving. No one picked the Leafs, by the way. Here. Not this season. No, but that's their wish. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it's the Leafs, by the way. Here. This season. Not this season. But last season they did. But that's their wish.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it's, I mean, it's all our wish. Wouldn't hurt. Look at Vegas' fourth line and go look at Edmonton Oilers' fourth line. Well, their fourth line has two guys on it. Okay. It's like, it's not even close.

Yeah. Vegas is playing Will Carrier, Nicholas Roy, and Keenan Colesar. it's like it's not even close yeah like one will carry one nicholas roy and men and the other guys are i don't even know what edmonton's uh bottom six are yeah last night did you see the shift where derrick ryan you know like him he's fine but he's getting bounced around like a pinball and Evander Kane has to come in and fight for him. Yeah. Good for Kane. No. Yes.

He has to always keep his stand up. That's just part of his role. Good for Kane. Yeah. Bad for the Oilers. How about that? That works. Because the way it works in the NHL is the fourth liner comes and helps the second liner

or the first line. Not the other way around. You don't need a top three defending a fourth liner. What is wrong with you guys? You don't have McDavid. He's one of your three best forwards that you need to score goals. And he's off the ice. Gordie Howe for Vander Keane last night.

It's a really good point. Don't hit our fourth liner. They're like, Vander, we need you on the ice. We'll carry a Nick Wad. Keegan Colasar is just a lot of human. A lot of human. Lots of guys. And last quick one here before we head to break.

After what I watched last night with Ovi and the shameless shots, I would be an idiot to not go back to over three and a half shots for Ovi tonight, which pays minus 140 on Bet365. So, yeah. That was game time. Is anybody Bet365? Just one more thought. Go ahead.

I don't know. What were you going to say on Ovi? I was going to say that if the Ovi watch in the next year and a half looks like this, this is going to be really tough to watch i can't watch you're just going oh this right just so if the team sucks and all you're doing is just watching a guy try to go get his cookies it's they gotta be good too early i think you pronounce it painful but i'm just i'm saying that i'm with you and i've been the capitals are at a fork in the road this is their whole identity now this is what they're gonna be like we bunks and i got killed on

least talk for talking about this last night but like it's not gonna be fun to watch it's not a it's not like they're chasing anything other than this that's gonna be their whole identity and i don't want it i forget who it was that wrote me and was like, by the way, the actual goals leader, all-time goals leader is Gordie Howe because you combine the pro leagues that there were at the time, right? No. No? NHL goalie is the one that matters? You don't care if he scored him in the...

That's like people saying Ichiro is the all-time hit leader because he had 2,000 in Japan. Yeah. It's like, no. Pete Rose is the all-time hit leader because he hit them at the highest level. There's just the big leagues and then there's's like, no. Pete Rose is the all-time hit leader because he hit them at the highest level. There's just the big leagues and then there's everything else. You would have much better context

than I would. Gordy's 10 against the Indianapolis Razors. Crash Davis. This guy is slap shot. What's going on? Minor leaguer at 600 home runs. Old Stiltz McGillicuddy. Oh, my God.

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You can go get me a coffee. Try not to spill it. Plenty more coming on Real Kipper and Born. Right back at you on the Real Kipper and Born show. 16 games last night in the frenzy. Frenzy. Magnetic night. One game tonight.

It's a barn burn. How do you go from 16 to 1? What do we call this tonight? You know what we call it? Melted. Me watching the entire Lakers game. That's what we call it. I think it's the melted malaise.

Texas at 590, 590. If 16 games is frozen frenzy, we'd like to know what one game is. Sammy, keep an eye on those. Yeah, I will.

This question for you guys, quickly, non-hockey related. Getting a lot of tweets after you sent the tweet and me spilling the coffee.

They were like, oh, how could he put cream in his coffee? Why are people, they get so bent into shape when you don't drink his coffee how can you why are people they get so bent into shape when you don't drink black coffee why are black coffee people so over the top superior drives me nuts i know wasn't there a coach or an athlete or somebody that put mayonnaise in

oh my god yeah there was it was uh will levis the guy who got drafted for the tennessee titans but you gotta be like a linebacker quarterback. Oh boy. I would not have drafted him if I didn't know. No, I love it. It doesn't work. But you got to be remembered for something. But you do. But you do a cream in your coffee.

I do. One cream. Half. And you cream. No sugar. Yeah, I do. Regular from Tim's and then everywhere else. I do.

I yeah, there is a definitely superior. And I will say I have aspired to be a black coffee guy. It's good. Well, here's the problem is it's not as good. It's just not as good. You know, like it. We'll drink it. Not as good. Okay. Thank you. Just wanted to bring that up quickly. Also someone beat it for judging other people.

Coffee sponsor. I want coffee to sponsor us. Just the thing, coffee. Kim Rambourne brought to you by coffee. Dave Coffee who invented it is is sponsoring it. All right. A couple of things to still touch on from last night's frenzy.

The Ottawa Senators, we touched on them briefly. You're right. God, it just seemed like yesterday we were talking about. It was yesterday. With Yorkie. No. Prior to Yorkie, it seems like yesterday we were talking about this team's legit. Yeah.

Right? A couple good games, and then they've lost a little bit of that energy. And last night was not pretty against the Buffalo Sabres to the point where their starting goaltender was Forsberg. And you guys, I didn't watch it, but you sent me the video where Hemnick had to go to the crease. He's starting the third. He's like carving up the crease.

And tell him you're not playing in the third period. What the hell is that? How does that happen? I mean, I know Mike McKenna, a guy that we've had on our show fairly regularly, tweeted, this is just unforgivable. Like if you're Forsberg to go out and be, one thing to get the hook, that's embarrassing as a goalie.

But to then go out there and have to do the walk of shame in front of everyone for no reason. Bad. Getting in the mental head space to shut the door for the third period. I got to think it was a miscommunication between maybe dj smith and his coaching staff to say hey uh did you tell him no i thought you told him no you were supposed to tell him and uh i bet you dj thought the goalie coach whoever the goalie coach is they would have come to that consensus in the room and they both probably assumed the other guy was doing the i guess letting the goalie know there there has to that has to be the explanation i don't think

was anybody available today to comment on it i'm sure they're going to get asked if they haven't already apparently there was some old fire dj chants at canadian tire center yesterday you know i will say it's Sens' goal differential, they're plus four, they've looked good, a lot of good players. Me too. Oh, listen, you're not... The only question is,

are they ready now? Probably not. I did pick them to miss the playoffs barely this year, and I think part of that comes from being in Toronto, having seen the Leafs finally get the elite NHL talent that Ottawa now has

and realizing that's just one piece of the puzzle. You know who missed the playoffs last year? The Pittsburgh Penguins with Crosby and Malkin and Letang and those guys. Plenty of great teams with talent missed the playoffs. There's more to it than that. I will say the one thing that really stands out

looking at this Ottawa Senators team is that those losses were to Buffalo and Detroit at home. When they were supposed to be better than those teams, those are the teams they're climbing over, competing with. Good vibes. And Lauer. Here comes the team. So these two losses hurt more emotionally

I think than in the standings. I was just listening to all of what you said there. I looked at the text line. Boy, do we have some submissions for the one night game. Okay, hold on. Save them. Save them because I just want to finish off a little bit of the Ottawa Senators.

Do you have a Claude Giroux clip for us? Yeah, we do have a Claude Giroux clip. I want to hear it. Okay, let's hear it. It's not time to panic. We did a lot of good things. It's definitely frustrating the way the first two periods went. But we know what we're capable of.

We need to look at a few things, how we can get better and be more consistent in how we play because we've shown, it hasn't been a lot of games, six games, we've shown that we can play the right way and find ways to win. But we just got to be consistent in it. See, he's a good voice for them right now. This is where he really helps, I think, that room. They're young still, and they probably can get a little excited. Yeah, their captain is excitable, as you watched last night.

Oh, my. Brady Kachuk had a bit of a... There was a full panic, right, when he came off, and everybody's like, I think he broke his shoulder. Never seen a player react like that. Like, he was one of those, like, I know I'm in trouble here reaction. Yeah. I think it was a stinger.

I think so, too. Which, I don't know if you ever had one of those, but it feels dire. Oh, my gosh, it does. It feels dire, and then all of a sudden 90 seconds later you're like i'm okay you know like it just sort of backs off the pain but he seemed to really think he was in jeopardy for the season and obviously not and then beats the brakes off alex talk yeah which you know people the other guys in the sabers looked a little bit upset about that or whatever

but my advice when you're on the ice with Brady Kachuk down when you're up three goals maybe don't do like a weird low bridge on him when he doesn't have the puck when they're losing yeah like maybe just avoid doing that to Brady Kachuk because I think you've seen enough that his wires like the cross here and there so you're probably not the best idea if you're Alex. Yeah. The one beef I do have going into the season for the Ottawa Senators is the fact that they just didn't make it a priority to find Pinto a spot on the team. Still waiting on that, eh?

And, like, Teresanko's, I think, leading the team in scoring, which is a good thing. Kubelik, I think, think had a rough time yes but those two guys shouldn't have been a priority over pinto especially the five million bucks i think they gave teresanko well it's just getting harder as we've talked about on the show that whatever pinto signs for will be pro rated so his cap it will be higher they're a tight cap hit team like the sooner they're going to do this they need to do it sooner than later so kubelik is sam mitchell right now zeros yeah and so as a team that is we have discussed you think they're barely a playoff team i think they're barely not a playoff team the longer you go without a 20 goal scoring third

line center and shane pinto or whatever you think his ceiling is the more you're costing yourself that one or two point that could be the difference. This is a significant time for them to make this happen and I don't know what the easy move is. Matthew Joseph's got three goals and three assists for six points in six games. Good player.

Expensive player. But not that expensive. Probably should maybe just keep him. Keep good players. Yeah. That's a good rule of thumb. Just one last note on Brady Kachuk. He was suspended last night, and then he wasn't suspended because of the automatic. Right. What is it?

Five minutes? Yeah. Which was an instigator and an automatic one-game suspension, a $10,000 fine to DJ Smith, but they rescinded, which they can. I would argue that Alex Tuck was the instigator of that. Just don't do that. Right. What do you expect, buddy? It's great when you're the type of guy that gets a little squirrely like a Chuck

that people know that maybe you just shouldn't do that. No one's going to go near him in three years. Everyone's just going to stay away from him. He goes to the front of the net. He's going to have 40 goals in 10 fights in the same season. I love him. I love him. He's one of my favorite players in the league.

Kael McCarr, also one of my favorite players in the league. Did you guys see that goal he scored last night? I did against the Islanders. A lot of goals in that game. There were. I will say, it's a well-defended play like you're making an elite player go to his backhand and take a shot from out by the hash marks i mean it's a nasty shot bar down on one of the best goalies in the league backhand with his hips turned yeah

yeah he you know when you a team a guy that you build a team around, you're drafting guys. I think he's number two. Right? Is that a hot take, number two, behind McDavid? I just, you know, Nathan McKinnon is so elite that it's tough to know who you'd take first. I'd rather take him. I'd take McCarr. It's just a matter of your preference on who do you want to build a team around.

Yeah. Like a good D? Outside of McDavid and maybe a couple of handful of guys like forwards are a dime a dozen compared to a great d yeah that's these days it seems harder to get an elite d so maybe that's a fair take so skimming around the nhl today i've been um i have an article up on sportsnet.ca and it's about the new stats a lot of it is stuff that you and I talked about yesterday. What do you think this means? You know, what can you learn from it or whatever? One of the things I came across was just Dmitry Orlov,

who's playing in a bit of a different system. Bottom pair defenseman right now. Do you know what his plus minus is on the Carolina Hurricanes? Orlov and Carolina right now are like the furthest thing away from looking like a contending team. Minus 11. This is one of the bigger stories that no one's talking about is what's wrong with the Carolina Hurricanes.

I mean, it's all defending and I guess goaltending. They can't defend a lick. So I told you, minus 11 is the worst plus minus in the NHL by three. Evander Kane, Nazem Khadri, and Evan Bouchard right there knocking on the door. So Orlov's worst plus minus in the league. They went out and got Tony D'Angelo. He's minus six.

Natchez is minus seven. These guys are getting shredded in Carolina. A team that's been so good defensively, like the best team in the league for years at this. Orlov with Chatfield on the... I mean, I like Chatfield. I like all their... What is he, seven and a half for two years?

Orlov. Orlov, yeah. Would you like to know how many goals the Carolina Hurricanes have given up so far this season? Very much so. 33. And I think the next closest is... I think 28 is the next closest, which is crazy.

The worst defensive team in the NHL is Carolina Hurricanes, whose decor is Slavin and Pesci and Orlov. Four to six for him. Yeah. But just got hurt yesterday, right? That's where I lied. The next closest to them is 27. It's the Oilers.

So they've given up. given oilers are the second worst day 33 goals already for slavin brent burns brady shea tony d'angelo dimitri orlov and usually pesci's in there jaylen chatfield an excellent seventh defenseman and the one thing is with with that owner we know that behind the scenes the the players will always, the conversations around dinner or on the bus will always come back to money. You think that the organization's tight? Yeah. Yeah.

Do you want to think about it? A little. How about? And is Pesci one of those guys that needs a new contract? Slavin needs one in a couple of years. Where's Pesci? Pesci needs to know. Well, they talked to him. Pesci was the Nylander rumored trade.

UFA. Is he UFA after this year? Yeah. I'm almost certain that's a case that we can double check. Rod Brindamore needs an extension. The favorite for coach of the year, by the way. Still. Yeah.

Well, you know what's funny is they have guys, Brady Shea's plus five, Slavin's plus four. Like they have some guys who've been okay for him, but're getting he is a pending ufa he's in the last year of a uh six year 24 million dollar contract so that is great drama in the metro because that was a you know supposed to be a cup contender as well this year so part of the joy of uh sammy mckee summer was the demise of the boston bruins oh god guys what's demise of the Boston Bruins. Oh, God. Guys, what's happening? What does it take? Would you like to know how many goals they've given up so far this season?

I know the answer. Kipper, care to guess? Six games they've played. Take a guess. Six. I want to say nine. Seven. Oh, my God.

Seven goals. Seven. That's how many Edmondson gave up last night. Edmondson gave up five in a period last night, actually. Yeah, seven goals. Seven. That's how many Edmondson gave up last night. Edmondson gave up five in a period last night, actually. Yeah, seven goals. Three-nothing, their win last night against Chicago and Conor Bedard. 18 minutes for Conor Bedard. Do you see Marshawn?

He had a goal. This is when you know you're desperate for highlights out of Chicago. Oh, I know. They showed Conor Bedard's goal like four times, and it's like. Didn't count. It didn't count. Why are you giving me three different angles on the show and then turn around and say, oh, it didn't count.

We got to build the superstars here. So what we're doing, he's been on the Pat McAfee show. Without it, he didn't get a shot on goal. I agree. I know it's a dinosaur take to agree with Kipper, but I completely agree. Like he caught a puck in the middle of a slide shot in the net. It didn't get a shot on goal. I agree. I know it's a dinosaur take to agree with Kipper, but I completely agree. He caught a puck in the middle of a slide shot in the net. It didn't count.

Why are we seeing it 100 times? I think you two are dumbos. That's what I think. Oh, Kipper. I think we're trying to. I've got a Bedard thing for you. Yesterday I was looking up. I asked Borny to look it up for me

because he's much smarter than me when it comes to this sort of thing, but average shift length, because I was very interested in one. Because it felt like Matthews and Marners are taking long shifts. Five forwards, average shift length, right? Yeah. Do you know who number one in the league is? Or number two in the league is? are taking long shifts. Five forwards, average shift length, right? Yeah.

Do you know who number one in the league is? Or number two in the league? Don't tell me. Number two in the league is Conor Bedard. Yeah. To second to Kapril Kaprizov. The longest shifts in the league. That's just.

To an 18 year old rookie. That's just. He's all they got. Kip, what do you want him to do? I don't even want to comment on it. Kip, you don't want to comment on it.

It physically hurts me. Your point was right behind him. Yeah, but I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, he's done right behind him. Yeah, but I mean. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's done a few things. Yeah, it may cause a little bit of rift with promoters and league-wide. If he doesn't play or what?

No, you have to pull him back. But I don't care. All right, do you want some of these names for the one-night game? Hold on, hold on, hold on. One more comment. We need to fit that in. Brad Marchand, giving Conor Bedard a little bit of the business, holding him on by the bench.

If you're Bedard, it's like an honor. You've seen him do it your whole career. Oh, my God, what is wrong with you guys? What? If I am Chicago, I'm going squirrely. You want someone to go kill Marshall? No, you just can't. I don't want you doing that to an 18-year-old

kid. I don't. It's a bad message. And the guy's sitting there and he's like, are you done with me? Can I go back to my bed? No, not yet, kid. Wait. Alright. It's just, it's a horrible look for the kid,

and it's a horrible look that 19 other guys don't say a word to Brad Marchand and say, listen, I'm taking a five-game suspension on you right now. I don't care. Maybe they don't stand up for the kid because he's taking minute and three-second shifts. It's a decent theory. See, at least you're making sense for me right now. You've given me something to think about,

and yet maybe you're right. Averaging over a minute per shift is insane. What's our one game tonight called? It's weird to see Marshawn with a C. Okay, I got a couple here. The first one I'll say is the one night stand. I like that. The puddle.

The tranquil mist. Now we're talking. That sounds like a strain of marijuana. Capital punishment. The melted malaise. That's me. And the bag of ice. That is fantastic.

There you go. Sounds like what we got tonight. That is awesome. The melted malaise. What do we have tonight? Capitals and who? Devils. I'll be watching the raps tonight. Sorry. Sorry,

Caps and Devils. That's all right. We'll give you the night off, Sammy. Okay, just like that, our two hours up. Our thanks to Darren McCarty, four-time Stanley Cup champion. Enjoy your one game of the one-night stand

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