Real Kyper & Bourne - Cup Final Adversity in Alberta

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start by looking ahead to tonight's Game 3 of the Stanley Cup Final. Hockey Night in Canada's David Amber (7:56) weighs in on the Panthers' travel trouble, why a good start is crucial for the Oilers, Edmonton needing more out of Draisaitl and how big a factor home ice is for McDavid and co. Later, they regroup with Sam for news & notes - the Hurricanes take popular FA target Jalen Chatfield off the market with an extension, navigating the latest Marner rumours and the Blues name Alexander Steen as GM successor to Doug Armstrong.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

all right let's get her going game three edmonton welcome into the real kipper and born show nick kiprios justin born sammy mckee derek brandeo's back jake the snake schultz is also in we're live on sports at 590 the fans sports at 650 in vancouver sports at 960 in calgary and in color on sports net 360 and Sportsnet Plus. In Color is a nice add-on there. Not bad, eh? No. You think anyone has a black and white?

No. I don't think that exists anymore, no. I think I may have a few uncles that still might have one. You think so? Got the big wooden box set. And if you watch In Color, you can see our brand new Oilers jersey. Yeah. I do not know where it came from.

It has the most vile Oilers jersey they've ever made. And it has a winner's tag on it for $29.99. And I'll tell you who's on the back. Adam Larson. That's why it's $29.99. Nice. Nice. We got one though. We got one. Go Oilers. As a reminder, this hour of Real

Kipper and Born is brought to you by Bet365. Okay. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in David Amber. Fresh off of, I'm sure, a real quick trip from Florida to Edmonton. Yep. Hop, skip, and a jump. Enough for him and Kyle to take pictures on Instagram of them working out.

Little known fact, Kyle was actually the weights for da da was just pressing bukaskas i believe that i believe that so we'll get into a ton but uh first of all the the news out of miami the floods chaos everywhere in southern florida the delay they're not getting in till what after 8 p.m the night before is this got a chance guys in your opinion we'll start with you jb to play a factor into tonight i think the if you talk to a lot of these sports science doctors one of the things that they are learning is that the recovery right after a game is the most important thing right to not play a game get in late you know go through all that travel i think the idea of playing sleeping in your own bed waking up whenever having a good

rest i don't think this matters they they traveled the day before a game that's fine but they had lots of rest at home before they left no big deal um the head coach of the florida panthers paul marise who we'd love to listen to, completely agrees with you Barney. If we can, do you want to listen to the clip of him talking about it? Yes. Go. Alright, let her rip there, Derek. Number one, Paul Maurice. We pay a bunch of really smart people to have better answers than we do, right?

At no point when a guy gets a cold, do they come to see me how they should fix it. So we got a whole bunch of people. This is the way we do it. We have reasons for it. It's reasoned, and I'm 100% good with it. Like, to put this in perspective, our day got pushed two hours. Yeah.

Right? So we spent an hour at our rink a little longer. We got an unbelievable rink. The busiest time in the NHL is when you leave for a road game. From the time the guy gets off the ice until you get to the airport. And it's kind of hectic. The trains are pulling bags. There's guys flying all over the place.

So that disappeared. We sat there. Our chef is unbelievable. The coaches put on seven pounds yesterday. That's the only ramification. We ate 12 meals. They got on the plane. We spent an extra hour and a half on the tarmac, whatever it was.

They played cards. They laughed. Every time one of the trainers rocked in and he was soaked from head to toe, he got a standing ovation. And then the flight was the same line. So we get here at whatever, 8 o'clock instead of 6 o'clock or whatever it was. I love his answer because it hopefully sets a tone for the team. No excuses.

No excuses. No excuses. But he's looking at it as a 58-year-old man. You got 20-something kids there that are used to routines, and they don't like it. I'm telling you, they don't like it. And I think they were nuts for leaving as late as they were on its own. You got the extra day. Take the extra day.

When I was with the New York Rangers, any time they had an extra day, they got us in. If it meant practicing on the road, get your mentality of being on the road started. Don't wait. I agree with you that were I in charge of things, yeah, we'd have gone a day earlier.

Get there the night before. If there is any travel hassles, you don't have to worry about it. You're there. You're established. You're set up. It's all about the hockey. They're prioritizing the rest here. Might have backfired a little bit.

And, you know, there is this thing called the Stanley Cup Final. There's media there. They need to tell stories. They're there to tell two sides of stories and i'm not like trust me my first thought is i don't care when a cup i'm not it's not to answer to the media yeah but there there is a responsibility there as well and again why do you leave it to chance a part could be missing off a plane. Forget about weather. It's anything.

You just take a chance now. This is not November getting in 8 o'clock that night on a game in November. This is the Stanley Cup Finals. I thought they were crazy to leave so late. You know, I guess I am closer to Maurice on this. I don't know if there is some obligation for the team to be there earlier for media purposes,

and that should be expressed to the team. If it is up to them, they believe their people have them set up to feel as good as possible puck drop tonight. I don't think it's much of a story. I will say this. From an Edmonton side, I'm not buying what he's saying uh paul maurice yeah i'm edmonton you need to be up one nothing in the first 10 minutes you just feel like put them on

their heels make them doubt the way that they prepared for this game. You got to plant that seed on the first few shifts that you guys screwed up your schedule and you're off your rhythm and we're taking full advantage of it. So this is actually a very big behind the scenes thing with NHL teams now is trying to coordinate how to get guys feeling the best. Who makes that decision? It's interesting hearing Maurice say, this is not my decision. At decision the end of the day the coach is in charge of all this stuff if he wants to say oh yeah the guys we pay say we need to go a day later i want to go tomorrow we're going tomorrow he can say that that's his choice uh and there's there's there's people that

travel like make just strictly they're you're in charge of the travel. Hockey ops, baby. Right? God, that'd be stressful. That's my nightmare job. There are teams that would say, and I think Gord Stelix told this, that we've lost two in a row in that we're changing hotels. And it's like, what are you talking about we're changing hotels?

Right. No, we're just changing hotels. Now, that's how dumb and superstitious a coach or general manager i get it and and you're paying as paul marie said you're paying some people that are supposed to be a lot smarter than you but you know no you're changing hotels where's the department on that one brad lynn is the leafs guy and he was with the marlies when i was with the marlies and sheldon keith was like this where he would be like hey we we ate at Delmonico's the other night and we got smoked we're not eating in Delmonico's tonight and he'd be like the reservations at Delmonico's you're like well

we're eating somewhere else and now he's on the phone he's like you know like go tell that to your sleep doctor I know how annoying that would be for the for the person that coordinates it I'm on the coach's side on this one. That's bad luck. There's sports bars in Toronto I will not go to for a big game because I got a bad record there. I get it. I get it. Anyways. It's ridiculous. It is.

We got our boy. We got our boy. Let's welcome him in, David Amber. There he is. What have you been doing waiting for Florida to come into town? How big of a deal was this travel situation from the media side, David? Nick, I think you guys hit it on the head a little bit. It made a lot of noise out here.

I think the way a lot of us looked at it through the lens of someone who's in the media, and Nick, you look at it probably both ways as a player, you're just like, I don't care, I want to win the cup. From a media standpoint, a lot of us were saying, I'm not sure there's another league that wouldn't mandate both teams be on the ground to promote the biggest spectacle of the season. You know, had the Florida Panthers been mandated to be here on Tuesday, it would have avoided some of their travel headaches, but it also would have given a great platform for the media to get to one location to try and tell the stories that need to be told and focus on all

the interesting storylines. And, you know, that wouldn't happen in the NFL or the NBA or probably Major League Baseball for that matter. So we were a little bit surprised. And, you know, I'll go all the way back to games one and two. Florida didn't even practice at Amarant Bank Arena. They were practicing at their practice facility. And I'm telling you, there was about 20 to 25 minutes

between the practice facility and their home rink. So it was physically impossible to go and listen in on Paul Maurice with all these glorious sound bites in the morning of the game and then get in time to hear from Chris Knoblogg and the Edmonton Oilers player. So you almost had to divide and conquer as best possible. So I'm surprised the logistics weren't a little bit more airtight between the two teams mandated by the league.

You know, part of me, DA, hearing that is like, do they promote the game like do we not think that oilers people in edmonton were aware that there's a game coming up here like what this i feel like if you're the the florida panthers you don't take that responsibility on yourself so you feel like the league should be involved in that yeah i felt it was like you do you yeah you know right and they are doing them and listen kipper brought up a good good point i can tell you firsthand how difficult it was to get out of fort lauderdale i talked to one of the swedish reporters who wasn't as fortunate to get on the same flight we were on

it took him 37 hours to get from fort lauderdale fort lauderdale through Denver, Denver to Edmonton. And I realized, you know, obviously the teams are on charters, but, you know, the Oilers charter had to refuel in Kansas City. So they did have to make a stop. And they were shutting down lots of airlines. So, you know, Florida was delayed by, what, three, three and a half, four hours. But as Nick said, it could have been a much different scenario had there been a problem with the plane or any other mechanical issue. It just seemed a lot to leave for chance.

Like, you can't mess around. They got in at, what, 8.30 last night locally here in Edmonton. A few more hours delayed and they could have put themselves in serious jeopardy of, you know, wow, rolling in at midnight local time with a 6 p.m. start the next day. I'm just not sure it's worth it. And let's say there is a game six back here in Edmonton with a similar two-day gap.

I bet you Florida might reconsider, and maybe with the league's urging, they might fly on the first day possible. We're talking to David Amber, studio host with Hockey Night in Canada, getting everybody set for game three in Edmonton. So if you're the oilers how important is a good start how important is it that they don't go down one nothing and maybe take advantage

of a team that maybe you hope is off their rhythm because of the travel first of all i think we got a two for one on our shirts. I'm just noticing that right now. It's hilarious. Kemp's is a little more long, but yours is golf. But mine isn't a boys' medium. Oh, man. I mean, I think it's paramount. I think it's paramount. The Oilers' MO, listen, in their 12 wins,

they've trailed for a grand total of 33 minutes. So let that marinate for a little bit. They are great at taking the lead and letting the other team chase the game. They're not so great and proficient at trying to track down the puck in the lead against the Florida team that all they do is shut you down, right? Yeah, I know a lot of people are probably listening and saying, well, wait a minute. They had the one goal lead in game two. It didn't work out so well this is true however i i think it would be paramount in their home arena and i saw this and we saw this in game six versus dallas they got off to that two goal lead and they hung on for dear life and and they had a you know a superlative

goaltending performance from stewart skinner um but i think a lead will get the crowd re-engaged, more engaged, will create a very, you know, hostile environment. And more importantly, more than anything else, they just won't have to chase the game because one thing about Florida is they're just very good at locking down teams. You know, the Oilers, as well as they played in game one, and they maybe by all accounts deserve to win that game, they didn't have much brewing in the third period, guys.

If you look back at that, re-watch the tape from the third period in florida and uh in game one and florida did a great job of just sort of you know oilers would come down the ice one and done puck out and reset and um you just don't want to be chasing the game and i really do think that first goal uh would be really really key they didn't have to chase that much against dallas they certainly haven't had to chase during their victories. And already they've been trailing over 70 minutes so far, just two games into this series. That's too much for the Oilers to be trying to track down the Florida Pampers.

It's super hard to play that way. We know they can't lose game three here. So what's the power rankings of players who need to have good games uh for the edmonton oilers to win game three to me it's like if skinner's not good that's going to take the wind out of their sails if mcdavid mcdavid isn't great they don't they they're not going to score enough they need dry saddle going they need nurse you know what is your kind of list of guys here where where it's you know priority priority for them to have big nights? Well, I'll say it goes without saying, the goaltender,

whether you're talking about Edmonton, Florida, or any team, you're only going to be maybe as good as your goaltender. So I'll leave them out of the equation. If you're going to look at forwards specifically, I'm going to say Leon Dreisaitl. Connor McDavid's been playing very well and maybe just hasn't gotten the results he's looking for. Leon Dreisaitl struggled a little bit in game two. Seemed to didn't have all the step that he usually has.

And Leon Dreisaitl has been an incredible, consistent performer throughout his career. I looked this up, and our Sportsnet stats team looked this up for me, I should say. The last time he's gone three games in a row without a point was before COVID. Think about that. Leon Dreisaitl, March of 2020, was the last time he went three straight games without a point. If he doesn't get a point tonight,

this becomes the latest time that's happened. He's been that good, that consistent. You know, there's a lot of speculation he's ailing through something and that wouldn't surprise me at all that's one thing if there is a concern and elliot brought this up in our in our post game hit after game two the one big concern you know kane we know he's going through all sorts of physical ailments nurse clearly is going through something there's lots of speculation dry sidle mcdavid a few other guys are definitely banged up and that's the worry if it's the total flip script, right? Last year it was Florida hobbling

into the final, like two or three guys playing on broken feet, you know, the sternum that could Chuck suffer during the final, etc. There was all those issues for them. Florida seems very healthy and good to go right now. And it's the Oilers. There's all these question marks there. But to me, it doesn't

all rest only on dry Seidel. But if you're going to make me pick out one guy to sort of get this offense going whether it's on the power play or more importantly five on five I would look to 29 how about loading up 29 and 97 right off this the top here go big or go home yeah Nick this is a must win right I mean we don't have to do the math if If they lose tonight, they're not coming back to win four straight, barring an incredible miracle, right? So this is the season. This is the series tonight, to some degree. They're going to ride these guys.

Whether we see them play 28, 29 minutes, it wouldn't shock me. It's certainly dictated by how the game's going. If the Oilers are trailing, you're going to see a steady diet. And that is always that nuclear option at the disposal for Chris Knoblauch. Whether he starts them together or not on a line, I'm not sure. But we know if the game necessitates, we need scoring, we need it quickly, and we're going to load it up, then I won't be shocked at all to see that. So it sounds like Barkov's going to be back in.

Tarasenko's going to be back in.asenko's gonna be back in florida we're expecting them to put their best foot forward i want to ask about the being home and the fans and the energy there is this a good thing for the oilers in your mind is that extra bit of scrutiny and attention what they need the wind at their back to push them forward or is it does it make it the pressure mount a little bit more being at home no it's a good thing justin it's a really good thing their season was on the line game six versus vancouver that home momentum carried them through that game uh their season was essentially on the line game four versus dallas the momentum of the home ice carried them through the game and they were trailing remember they were trailing what was it three one two nothing i can't remember

the specifics they were things were not going well and then they rattled off five straight goals against the Dallas Stars in that game for victory. Home ice, there's an advantage here, guys. The atmosphere was electric. It was wild. I can't stress this enough. It wasn't just electric following goals and big hits. You know, Dallas was in their zone for, what, 45 of the 60 minutes in that game six clinching game, and the crowd was up on its feet. Let's go, Oilers. They were pushing them to the finish line, and the players talked about that in the postgame. It really was deafeningly loud, very great atmosphere.

It's a beautiful day outside today. It's about 20 degrees. The moss pit outside, everything's going to be electric. Inside, there's going to be a real level of excitement there. I think it's a good thing. I think it's a hostile environment. And just look a year ago, you know, Vegas won the first two at home. Florida didn't really have a shot in that series. They were just beaten up and outmanned in that series. The one game they won, game three, back on home ice, a little bit of momentum, a little bit of desperation, et cetera. And I think it'll be that same sort of environment here tonight at Rogers Place.

As far as this blue line is concerned on Edmonton, David, what's the easy answer? 7D here. Nurse could not play the majority of Game 2. Is there anybody that believes that he can come back and play in Game 3? Well, Chris Knoblauch was uncommittal. He was noncommittal about what his lineup was going to look like. But based on what we could ascertain by going into the dressing room

and seeing who was skating longer, etc., it does look like Corey Perry, there's a very significant chance he'll draw back in. It does look like Sam Carrick might draw out based on the fact he took a lot of extra ice this morning. Derek Ryan's another player who could draw in. And then more specifically on the blue line, I do wonder if they're going to go 11-7. Cody Ceci came off in a fairly timely fashion. We don't know. So these are guesses, educated guesses, I guess you could say.

But maybe Darnell Nurse is such a warrior, and whether they give him treatment, he's had 48 hours essentially since the injury, you know, plus 48 hours plus since the injury. Whether he gets some treatment, but you don't want to run the risk of, oh, shoot, nurse aggravate something because you know they're going to be running hard at him, and you're down to 5D again, and you've got to play Bouchard for 30 minutes.

If you have Cody Ceci in there, you have that extra layer of protection. You could have 7D, and we talked about it earlier. You talked about marching out 97 and 29. What if you go 11 and 7? That's not necessarily the worst thing that's a steadier diet of of the superstar players that are essentially going to have to lead the way here so that wouldn't shock me at all i definitely think there's a scenario where we go 11 and 7 with the oilers or see 11 and 7 with the oilers and um and i'm not sure the odd man out would be you know ryan mcleod certainly took a bit of extra time on the ice this morning. Maybe that's a scenario that could play out. But these are all speculative things for me, but it wouldn't shock me at all

if they just want to have that security blanket because, you know, again, you don't want to run into the risk. Darnell Nurse played four minutes last game. You can't run the risk of him aggravating something or not being 100% ready and you're stuck. Last one for me, DA. Just want to get your thoughts on Connor McDavid's comments between games two and three here.

What I would call confident defiance, where he basically said our power play tends to figure out good penalty kills. And, you know, we'll see what we're made of in here. And, you know, he's had a bit of swagger between games. And the one that caught my ear was uh yeah i love when people doubt us yeah we like proving them wrong yeah they've got a little bit of that you know that's a little bit of what's driving them for sure is sort of people have been doubting us we were doubted versus vancouver we were doubted during dallas i mean we all remember what the storylines were going

into game four versus dallas was all this darn elnurce was getting buried by the media and where's the oilers offense and is this moment too big and blah blah blah and they kind of looked it in the face and sort of gave the old Royal you know F you are going to do this and I think there's definitely part of that right now and you know Nick you've been there in 94 and I'm sure

you guys were feeling it a bit your backs up against what was going on against Vancouver and you know found a way and it was like us against the world you guys go out to Lake Placid and get it all sorted out and, you know, found a way. And it was like us against the world. You guys go out to Lake Placid and get it all sorted out before that, you know, winter takeoff. People had us written off. Yep.

Absolutely. Yeah. We were, Hey, we were going to, we were the team that was going to blow it to Vancouver Canucks. In fact, game, game five ticket sold higher than game sevens. Oh, really? Yeah. Because people didn't want to be disappointed

spending $10,000 on a ticket. Right. Yep. And there's a little bit of that in Edmonton with the players. And I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that's a good thing to go. And I don't know if you know if you call it swagger, but it's a belief.

It's an inner belief. You know, Conor said something early in the series. He just said he looks around the room. He goes, we're the right age to be winning. And I know what he means by that. He's not looking around and there's a bunch of 19, 20 year olds cutting their teeth, trying to figure things out, right? Philip Broberg's a young guy, obviously. Evan Bouchard's still a young guy. They have a few young guys, but the young guys, I think, recognize the significance of where they are and recognize this moment. And then you look around the room and whether it's the Corey

Perry's or the other guys letting the guys know how hard this is to and recognize this moment. And then you look around the room and whether it's the Corey Perry's or the other guys, letting the guys know how hard this is to get to this position. Matias Ackholm was there in 2017. He's had to wait seven more years since to get back to the, to the Stanley cup final, the guys recognize what's in front of them. Listen,

they might not win this series. They might not win this game, but I don't think you're going to get a lesser version than what the Oilers can bring to the table tonight. Excellent stuff as always, DA. Yesterday, I think you and Kyle put out a picture of you guys in the weight room yesterday. And I'm wondering today, can we expect maybe the two of you on the roller coaster at the Edmonton Mall? What's next?

I can't wait to keep following you on Instagram and seeing you take pictures of yourself. Oh, man. I do not do that very often. There was a reason for that. But, yeah. By the way, the gym we got to at the JW Marriott is one of the best gyms you're going to find on the road

for any hotel. Hey, listen. If that picture saved the two of you $12 to get in, then good on you. Good on you. Way to leverage your brand. Well done. Great stuff. Great stuff. Tell Elliot we want to see

what suit he's wearing tonight, too. We can't wait for that one. I'm sensing some sarcasm. I have to wait until talk show tonight. Hey, enjoy the game, guys. You too, buddy. Listen, tonight's the night. It's that swing game. We could have a series after tonight, so let's hope for that.

For nothing else, as hockey fans, this series deserves to go a little longer, and an Edmonton-Oiler win guarantees it'll go a little longer. Awesome. 100%. Have a blast. Thanks, fellas. Have a blast. That's David Amber, one of the great voices on Hockey Night in Canada.

Just all over our teammates. Did I make up for giving it to him? No, it was good. I really am rooting for the Oilers tonight. I want a series. These are pretty evenly matched teams, I feel like. We could have a good series here still. They could use a bounce.

They could just use a couple of bounces and be in a position where you make Florida chase a little bit. Yeah, for sure. They're very close teams. Can I say one negative thing about this? Yes. Skinner still scares me. Oh, yeah.

He hasn't. You know, he's still, they're still outmatched in that one area, and there hasn't been a moment where he's, like, come up and been, like, a feature player in the the conversation hopefully it's because he's awesome and he surprises us which can very well happen too but that does make me nervous i do worry about that blue line and i know darnell has his issues sometimes but you need him somewhat healthy like it's already taxing as it is but yeah him playing at 80 i know exactly where he got hurt too yeah yeah lindell hit him about five minutes in he tried to reverse hit and then

you could see him reach for his what i think hip pointer hip pointer the og and an ob injury and let me tell you something you That's what everyone says. You can't massage that thing out in two days. No. So that, to DA's point, and I think across the board, we all are very against 11-7. But to DA's point in talking about that, having him, having an extra guy there,

if he's going to be able to struggle in more time for Drysaddle and McDavid, it does kind of make sense. I think at this point in the series, if you're in a situation where you've got to give some double shifts to Drysaddle and McDavid because you've got 11 guys. Okay. Yeah, I can hear you okay. But Drysaddle is, listen.

Throw it at the wall here. Drysaddle's dry. And, like, what's he got? McCloud on one side. And, like, it's not a lot to work with on a line for him right now. These guys make chicken salad out of whatever you give them. This chicken, the other chicken right now.

What's the other? I'm familiar with the other. Chicken salad out of. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've heard it. So that's why I think he could use a nice dose of 97 right now. Yeah. Why not at this point?

But I'm really excited for the game tonight, but I am concerned for the Oilers. Like, I think the parallels to last year have been brought up a lot. DA brought it up. It's just one really banged up team and one team that's just common. I hate to see it come down to injury, so. They need one tonight, boy. Do we want Maurice?

Do we want Maurice on Barkov? It's a very quick one. Let's hear it. Clip two. Tarasenko and Barkov. Both good to go? Yes, sir. There you go.

We got him. Barky in the mix. It's a pleasure. Like, it is a pleasure to watch him play defense. I like the way he angles people out of the middle in the neutral zone. Like, slows down people and pushes them to the outside. So, Bobrovsky says that when he's on the ice, that's when everything straightens

out. That everybody's in the right place at the right time. When he's on the ice. I can't think of a better compliment. I also think it's such an easy place to come at a series from when everyone

is saying, you're great because you're defensive. You know, the bar is suddenly not, he's got to get points. He's not producing. We need him to do this. Everyone's saying, standing ovation because you defend. And I think it's so easy to go out. Yeah. You just go out and all you got to do, you're not forcing it.

They're just asking you to do this one thing, and then it comes easier the other way. It's a great point. You know know you're not squeezing the stick like did Bobrovsky just get that much better or did they get that much better in front of him in the last yeah year and I don't know two months in the playoffs last year you look at Carolina's goaltending over the past five or six years, their numbers are amazing. They're not named guys.

It's Nedeljkovic and Anderson and Kochetkov and whatever. But because their D is so good, their goalies numbers are almost always great. And some of that is rink effect. But that's what I think is happening for Bobrovsky. Where suddenly it's just way easier to be a goalie. Little from column A and little from column B. Correct.

And just a little advice to the Oilers if they find themselves on a breakaway against this guy. You're not beating him on the backhand around him. You're not going around him. He's like Vasilevsky in that way.

Post to post. Well, you scored him,rick wall what would you do him if you do on him if you're i went top cheese you're snapping one under the bar i glove well backhand high backhand high works but you can't go try to go back in five five but he's his feet he's got edges on his blades so pushed in like he's able to get post to post so fast. And he's not stressed. You watch goalies under certain scenarios and you can see stress. This is what happens again when you've had some success

and the pressure's off. For Bob, he's just... I think you mentioned stress. For the whole Florida Panthers in general, this is just so stress-free for them because they're really good. They don't have to answer really to anybody. And that can change.

The oil can put the stress on. Yeah, sure, I guess. Internally, but they don't have any fan stakes for this. If they lose these two games in heartbreaking fashion, the people of wherever they're in Fort Lauderdale, it's just's just gonna be like it's gonna be they're still rooting them on they're like oh darn i'll go you know go back outside like it's just they're so barry still hasn't put pressure on his own team in these press conferences and the way he comments on it like he's really been very relaxed this whole postseason so it's up to edmonton to find a way to make

them stressed and by the way one of those things is let's say you hit barkov three more times tonight oh yeah and all of a sudden he's a little not so sure about game four that might be on their menu too i will say not saying to do it i'm saying they might be on theirs no supplementary discipline for dry sidle which i think we discussed that sets the bar for what comes next if i'm a player on the ice i am very aware of when number uh nine sam bennett is on the ice for the florida panthers keep your head up yeah but also for 16 give it him one yeah like they if you're not suspended leon for skates off the ground elbow into the jaw that's two games in the regular season you know that right but barkov's not gonna barkov's not going to do that.

No, Barkov isn't going to do it, but I'm saying they need to put licks on him. They need to take him out of this series. But be careful, right? Be careful. If you're Edmonton, one bad penalty here, and your season's over. That's the territory you're in now.

This screams to me of Bennett taking a run at somebody. And them going, he did it. Or him hammering somebody, it being on the border like it always is, then everybody hoping he got kicked out, and then he scores the winner. That's what I see coming. It's got to be really situational. I just don't see Bennett coming in with that attitude and and throwing no no no not not up to nothing not in edmonton he's not trying to change the tone of the series you

don't need to change it you don't need to message send bigger picture sammy okay bigger picture i just but i do think that it opens the door to you didn't suspend dry side all for that hit you sure can't suspend me for this but it's a bit of a nail gun, boys. I think he could be running around pretty good. No, I don't see it. I see it controlled. I see a controlled chaos out of him tonight because being up to nothing,

you don't want to derail anything here on your own. Don't worry. Nothing to do. We're going to take a quick break. Nothing she's going to do. Lots of news. Flip out. Sorry. All right, are We're going to take a quick break. Nothing she's going to do. Lots of news. Flip out. Sorry.

All right, are we done? Half-baked was my ear. All right. Plenty of news and notes to get into after the break, including a major announcement out of St. Louis. Yeah, they named their GM in 2034. All right. And also, pretty good,

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We'll do game time first. Yeah. Okay. Producer has spoken. I have spoken. Host, be quiet. Yeah. It's game time presented by Bet365.

Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary. Bet365. Must be 19 plus. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. So just looking at the actual line for tonight, the Panthers are under underdogs here plus 115 and the oilers are minus 135 on the money line so they anticipate that like i mean the oilers

are a really good team they're in the final here first home game at home they think it's going to happen uh i mean if you like florida and you think florida is a really good team and you if you like Florida and you think Florida's a really good team and you think they're going to win this, it's a really good number for a really good team who's playing really well. So plus 115 there. Cooked up a little same-game parlay here. If you go on bet 365,

Edmonton to win and Connor to have three-plus points is plus 325. You figure if they're going to win this game tonight, Connor's going to have to have a big night. So that a big one there and just quickly looking at the u.s open uh patrick can't lay leads at minus five if you go all the way down you'll find scotty scheffler who is still the betting favorite he's plus one right now he's on the course uh you can get him now at four to one as opposed to three to one to start the tournament. And he's six strokes back.

How good is that guy? They think he's pretty good at golf still. So interesting start to the U.S. Open. The course is looking wonderful. It's going to be crunchy by the weekend. So good sports weekend this weekend, guys. Euro is starting up tomorrow. So it's going to be a really fun one in the city of Toronto.

I feel like the Edmonton Oilers are going to win tonight. And I think they're going to do it with Dreisaitl there you go give me a dry saddle combo with the win so redington minimum two points out of connor for the edmonton oilers i mean it kind of has to be right they win two one and he gets one point it could still be a very good night for him but yeah no i think you think if if the over what are you going to score tonight they're going to score on the power play tonight and that means connor's in on that one probably leon scores it the total is uh five and a half over is plus money under is minus 125 so i think it's gonna be a tight game i think four three boilers and connor has two and one

one and two uh yep you think they're gonna get four past bobrowski i don't know empty netter I think 4-3 Oilers and Connor has 2-1, 1-2. Yep. You think they're going to get four past Bobrovsky? I don't know. Empty netter. Okay. I have a hard time seeing it. But anyways, that was Game Time presented by Bet365.

Visit the app, play the odds, and find out why it's never ordinary at Bet365. Must be 19+. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Did you guys catch the dummy cop on the SUV at the US Open portraying? No. No, it wasn't that. Where was that?

It was at somebody's home course. Oh, was it? Yeah. Or was it at the memorial? No, it was at, I don't exactly know where the video was, but I think it was at somebody's member guest or whatever, and they attached a dummy cop to the side of it like drove the car and so it was very well it was very well done that's awesome yeah so scotty the the criminal he's out there doing well today so anyways did you wrap up i'm done all right uh where do you want to go st louis

or carolina uh let's go with you're into the Carolina thing, I know for sure. Chatfield's your boy. Yeah, Chatfield's my boy. Very disappointed that he did not take it to July 1st. I think he left as much as a million and a half to maybe

even three million, depending if a team wanted to overpay. Total money. Total money. money yeah and again six one six two right-handed shot can skate 28 years old he's kind of young tan of his defensive metrics are through the roof like they're better than carolina's when he's not on yeah and he quietly has 14 goals over the last two years it's not like he doesn't score a little bit. You can't tell me teams wouldn't be like vying for that, competing for that as a UFA. Vancouver wanted him to take a run at him.

Edmonton wanted to take a run at him. The Toronto Maple Leafs wanted to take a run at him. Now, it's very possible that the player himself, very comfortable in Carolina. He had a number he wanted to get. He got there. Loves the coach. Loves the coach.

Loves the coach. Wanted the coach. Loves the coach. Wanted to play for Rod. That's the Rod factor. I mean, that's hard to, I mean, you just got $9 million. By the way, if you're Rod Brindamore, you look at your owner and say, I just saved you money and got you a good player. Where's my money? So this could be also another, is $3 million in Carolina the equivalent to

like $3.6 or $7 in Vancouverolina the equivalent to like 3.6 or 7 yes it is in vancouver toronto right yeah i forgot they got they got they're able to cheat down there they also have the cheat that's the cheat factor as well we're just going to be resentful up here in canada now call it cheating but but i like him a lot yeah i still think you know if toronto had given him something close to the Brody deal, where it's like four times, let's say four and a half or something, I wouldn't have batted an eye. I'd have been like, all right, he's great.

Anyway, good for Carolina. Eric Tolsky on the board. I think it's for some note. Good for signing. It's still debatable. Like, you know, he can look like a top four defenseman, but when all the things are settled and you got this championship caliber team,

does he fit in on your third pair or your second pair? Yeah, you're right. He's probably on a championship team. He's probably a third pair guy, so maybe that's a lot to spend. He could be a second pair guy, though. I think he's good enough. Yeah, I just think he should have squeezed Carolina more

because they're losing two or three guys, are they not? Yeah, Shea and Pesci, right, are both UFAs. And I told him, I'd rather have this kid than Pesci. Yeah, wow, that's bold. But I just, I'm looking at his cap friendly, soon to be gone, but I'm looking at it like this is a lot of money for him considering what he's made. Like he's been in the 700K range his whole career.

This is Bobby McMahon making sure he got a payday here. He had to be talked out of waiting on their original offer probably around two. Oh, really? Two, two, two, five. Yeah. That's, but you, when you get that guy, right, that just to Sammy's point, this is more money than I'll ever see. You mentioned the signing bonuses.

There's some protection there. Yeah, his first year is a $2 million or more signing bonus. The next year, it's similar. So, Sammy, same agent as Mitch Marner. And everybody says that Mitch Marner's agent goes the distance, wants to go to July 1st,ed the most money out of any organization. We got to June 13th. That's pretty close. We're getting there.

Same agent that took a little less in Carolina. Is that exciting, Leaf fans, Sammy? No. No, people were excited today because Freed just talking about Marner maybe going to Vegas, so people got fired up about that. And what do you have coming in return? Shea Theodore? You mentioned Shea Theodoreodore yeah yeah who's a left-handed shot he's a left-handed shot

yeah yeah need right need right need right shea theodore's really good i know if that like that is the type of because you know me i've you know i've talked about i've been mad about wanting to trade him all this stuff but like at my core i'm afraid of the trade that is the type of trade if you take shea theodore you make riley expendable yeah and shea theodore is better than riley friedman said one of the things with marner is that a lot of people suspect that vegas will be around it because vegas is just smart they're around any good player so i got i got people hypothesizing shea theodore and logan thompson deals for me for example i'm not sure about logan thompson yeah all i know is you look at what vegas has done to get great players from organizations where it's

going sour so mark stone it's going sour in ottawa what did ottawa get brandstrom and other things that you aren't aware of you know it's going sour withichel, so they make a deal to get Eichel, and what's Buffalo get? How's Pete Krebs doing? Tuck had a good year. He's a good player. Krebs, I don't know, maybe there's more there, but, like, it's not.

It's scary trading the good player. They sniff around distressed assets pretty well. Well said. Today I wrote an article in the Toronto Star, my news and notes on it. I mentioned Markstrom winding out, out basically out of Calgary. He's getting, he'd like to know very soon what's happening with him. Ottawa has shown interest.

The Leafs have shown interest. New Jersey is not going away. No, that'll be the challenge on what to do with Corpus Allo if they land Markstrom. I think they'd buy him out because there's big savings there for them. Or that's one of those ones where you're like, hey, Chicago, here's a couple picks. Is Chicago still going to try to lose?

Yeah, probably. No, they've got to try to win again. No, no, no, no. You can't teach Bedard how to lose. Too many years now. Well, they lost one year with Bedard. Yeah. For it to work for the Leafs, Markstrom,

they cannot take the six plus. They're going to have to eat a mil, mil and a half for sure. If you can get Markstrom, if the Leafs can get Markstrom at four, again, by sweetening the pot on the return then you look at markstrom and joseph wall for two years grooming wall don't hate it can i ask no don't we go back into the same scenario of the ownership thing with true living and trading with the flames and the leafs like Aren't we right back into that? Do they get over that?

Well, yeah, maybe it is a bigger issue. Listen, you've got to move Markstrom. Yeah. They had to move Tanev. So if it's not directly with the Leafs, then it could be with a third team. Right?

So you've got a really upset player then it could be with a third team. Right? So it kind of limits, and you got a really upset player in Calgary, which is not sitting well for that organization right now. No, you don't want that around your team going into the next year when everyone's all excited for a new season. You got to start a goalie who doesn't want to be there.

You can talk about, you know, grooming Wall into the number one starter, and it seems like the two-year thing is truly, like, perfect in terms of... But I don't trust that he's ever going to be able to be the number one. I actually feel like with Joseph Wall, it's either, like, he's ready to be a number one, or he's too injured for him to be a number one. You don't have to find out tomorrow, right?

Markstrom will hold the fort for the next year next year at least for sure and then what you want to do with them on on the last year of a deal perhaps you know he you can move off of it and and slide well joseph wall and if he's not ready maybe he's not ready at all and then you gotta revamp everything in two years anyways yeah to me it's but i if i'm i'm loving that this is a priority in the offseason getting a real goalie like it seems that they have kind of prioritized this and you can't just keep trying out these projects in austin matthews and mitch marner's prime here you gotta you gotta get a real goal my latest article that this year's playoffs i think revalidated the idea of elite goaltenders.

Because for a minute there, everyone was like, you can win with Darcy Kemper, Aiden Hill, whatever. And it's like, you can sometimes. Yeah, you can. Anything can happen. You certainly can. Did you credit Skinner for that so far? Well, that's it.

But Skinner's been kind of a lone wolf amongst Shusterkin, Ottinger, you know, Bobrovsky, Saros, Swayman. Guys that have been very good in playoffs this year. Yeah. And let's not forget Allmark out there. He's going. He's going for sure.

But I don't think with the Bruins trading to the Leafs, it seems like a... Ottawa? Yeah, they have to. Indivision? Does that matter still? Swayman's going to come in with $8 million. You got to move him somewhere.

He's so good, Swayman. I'd take Allmark. For sure. Cheaper than Markstrom. But you think they'd trade him with the Leafs? I have a hard time believing they'd do that. Division rival? Does that not matter?

Yeah, it matters a bit. It matters a bit. But not if you're offering the best return. You send them to L.A., but... They tried, didn't they? I think they did, and you shut it down. Oh, wow. Okay.

Doug Armstrong made some news today. He's going to remain with the team throughout the 28-29 season, but he's going to move Alexander Steen to be GM in 2026. So explain to me what's happening here. No, no. No, you're going to explain to me what the rush is to say

he's going to be the GM in two years. A lot of things can happen in two years. Oh my god. I'm watching people like here today gone in a shorter time than this. We see you as the GM in a couple years. Here's the track gone in shorter time than this. I'm saying to him, to Steen,

we see you as the GM in a couple years. Here's the track we're going to put you on. We're going to help you work with Armstrong, and when it's time, you'll be the GM. You don't need to tell all of us. I don't get it. I was confused by it, too. Ryan Miller is there as an AGM.

He's been assistant GM. So he must be like, wait, am I not? Why hit? I'm out of here. Then if you're going to pat, you know, just tell me I'm not going to be the succession plan. I don't know. I guess I guess they just love Steen and they want to know that he's part of

the plan. It's too much pressure on him already. Like it's just unnecessary eyeballs. Yeah. I think I I mean, people will just forget maybe about this and yeah, maybe, but Doug Armstrong, give him credit.

This is the new, you get to keep your job for a long time job. Oh, I'm just going to start upstairs. Smart move. Very smart. Hold this person in front of me. Very smart.

You're going to fire someone. And yeah, I do buy into a little bit of, Hey, we missed the playoffs, and we're not sitting still here. We're going to be progressive, and here's a great game plan in two years. Yeah.

And look at what we're doing. We're not sitting on our hands. And it's like tangibly what has actually changed, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. They've told us that maybe eventually things will, unless you're both fired by then not you know not to make it about the leafs but you do this breaks my heart

a little bit doug armstrong was always the guy that i kind of saw as like the next shanny that was he was always the guy that i had my eyes on and he was he's local is he from where's he from good canadian boy i just i always thought that he may be the next, because his contract was up after next year. I always thought that maybe he would be the one that would move in after. But looks like he's staying with the Blues for the longer term. Anyways.

Does indeed. All right, boys. Game three tonight. Ed and Tenoilers. They don't, yeah. They got to win. That's all. Well, they really are. No kidding. That's all. Yeah. No kidding.

That's my mom's analysis. They need Connor or Leon to say, we will win tonight. Verbally? You want them to actually say it? Guarantee it, baby. They win tonight. It's been done before. Yes, early?

They'll win tonight. Oilers will win tonight. Give me a score. I think they'll win 3-1 tonight With an empty netter Nice 4-3 in overtime

Oilers Oh Bunch of goals Oh Just the worst I think the offense Could get going here I go 5-3

Okay 5-3 I go 8 I go 8 tonight Okay It's not a goalie night Tonight Okay

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