Real Kyper & Bourne - Deadline Decisions with Elliotte Friedman

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start the second hour still awaiting a Morgan Rielly suspension ruling, and they take a look at the goalie trade market with Markstrom, Saros and Gibson potentially all on the table. They are joined by Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman (8:43) to share the latest on Rielly and why the league upgraded it to an in-person hearing. Then, a look at what type of return Calgary is looking for in trades, why teams are making moves earlier and how aggressive the Leafs will be at the deadline. Finally, news and notes - Pietrangelo & Marchand reach the 1000 games mark, what Tampa does at the deadline and whether the Kraken are buyers or sellers.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

it's the real kipper and born show this is our national edition of our program we are live on sports net sports net 650 in vancouver and sports net 960 in calgary this hour of real kipper and born brought to you by bet 365 nick, Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. All right, boys. Sammy? Yeah? What's the Morgan watch right now? Are we going to get a decision or what?

I'm not going to hold this whole show up hostage for just one lousy announcement, are we? I don't know. The longer it goes. Oh, microphone. Turn your mic on. Every time for this show. Why I think it's taking a long time is because they're making a breakdown video to explain

to you why it's a thousand game suspension for Riley. Yeah. Here's what he did, what we saw. Do they have any other choice? This is not a hockey play. Do they have any other choice but to match David Perron's sixth game? Of course they do. I mean, it's so different to me.

The guy who gets hit knows he's getting hit. The guy who gets hit isn't hurt. The guy who gets hit kind of guides the stick up. It's way less than Perron for me. Cross-checking is a common penalty in the game. It can usually be sufficiently penalized by the on-ice officials. And it was. This is cross-checking.

I get, like, chills of, like, grade 6 history class with a National Geographic movie, you know, on a Friday at 2 p.m. Listen to that narrator. Yeah. Yeah. Narrator? Is that what you're looking for? Struggling. It's all right. Words, national show. at 2 p.m. Listen to that narrator. Yeah. Yeah. Narrator? Is that what you're looking for? Struggling.

It's all right. Words, national show. That's only my job. That sounded like we were attending an insurance seminar. It is a very computerized sounding voice to me. But anyway. So yeah, we will await that. You know, in the meantime, the Toronto Maple Leafs are going to look very different.

Jake McCabe on Power Play 1. They play the st louis blues tonight in what should be a a real test with no defenseman lagason in lilligren top pair very different looking toronto maple leafs team in a few minutes we'll welcome in elliot friedman hockey night in canada 32 thoughts we'll get into the morgan riley suspension hearing and how early he expects to hear an outcome or whether or not they could even drag into puck drop tonight. Also, lots of talk now that the All-Star break is over and 30 games to go,

but a lot less towards the March 8th deadline. And we got to think things are heating up. Yeah. You know, the interesting talk and it's something that Elliot mentioned on Saturday's headlines was about Markstrom have, you know, the flames and devils just having a conversation or two.

Cause it makes sense. The devils are looking for someone with some term. He's been excellent this year. God, he was so good in that loss last night. The goaltending was incredible last night. Yes, on both sides. Calgary loses to the New York Rangers at 2-0,

but that was a classic goaltending battle. And I tell you what, if I'm a team like the New Jersey Devils, I am all over Markstrom. Well, and if you're the Fl the flames just looking at the arc of where you're trying to get to it doesn't make sense to keep Markstrom and all right so next year he's a who knows who made an 890 and you can't trade him anymore because he's got two years at six left like he has real value right now he's this is the time for them so we'll see if they decide to act on that or not.

We'll lean on Elliott for that one too. I'm sure he knows stuff about things. Yeah. And it is a fairly busy, I think, goaltending market right now. Who else do you think would be of interest out there? Saros. Oh, yeah. So Nashville is currently chasing the second wild card spot yeah but they're taking calls on sorrows they are a yeah and they're

they're they're listening super tempting as you know he's a guy with another year on his deal i think he makes five five yeah you get him for two playoff runs and he's been a vesna finalist right a number of times now and the other one is in atlanta or anaheim atlanta's already in your head yeah uh gibson i'm sticky here in the gibson thing like is he going or not like is he even good anymore he plays in a bad team every year and that's why he's very tempting because my, I assume that if you're trading for him, you believe that your team's way better than Anaheim's. So I want to see him on a better team.

I will say Sal Ros is having a bit of a down year this year after, you know, nine 20, so nine 15, nine 14, nine 27, nine, nine 18,

nine 19, and then down to nine Oh two this year. Yeah. So that's like league average. Yeah. Crummy.15, 9.14, 9.27, 9.18, 9.19, and then down to 9.02 this year. Yeah. So that's like league average. Yeah. Crummy team. Yeah. You know, they've been pretty good.

2.97 goals against this year for him, so. I'd bet on a guy like him for sure. Well, obviously. Yeah. You like him more than Ilya Samsonov? I do. You do? I do, yeah.

I'm going to tell you I do like him. Just a take, yeah. Well, I mean, I think I was talking about this last year at the deadline, where it's like this is a guy to me where you trade your finest meats and cheeses to get him because he makes a difference. Like it's not getting another backup-y type of guy that maybe can contribute. You're getting a bona fide starter for this year and next

where you actually have a chance to go deep because you're going to get really good gold. So Nashville doesn't believe typically that they're a team that can bottom out in that market. Is that fair to say, Kip? Like they like to just at least stay in the mix every year listen i i i think i think vancouver's ruined it for a lot of clubs to think that you have or that you need a lot of time i think i think organizations are going to look at ownership groups, are going to look at the Vancouver Canucks and go back to their general manager or president

and say, hey, put me on the Vancouver program there where they get to compete in a year and a half. Right. I'm going to say give me Pedersen and Quinn Hughes and Thatcher Demko. Give me a great number one center D and goalie. We can do that. That's the hard part is putting those pieces together.

Do you think Roman Yossi would ever be an option for someone? I don't think so. He makes $9 million for this year and three more. He's 33 years old. They don't seem to be trying to win. I don't know if that market can do that. You got to have some stars, eh? You need to sell tickets and the

stars that decor has had over the years my god and this guy could still be good for three or four years still yeah i think he can play at a high level at 35 he doesn't strike me as a guy that's gonna fall off a cliff no i'm very much in on team like you need good players even if you're rebuilding you need some guys. Look at the Raptors and Scotty Barnes suddenly doesn't have any great veterans around him. And he's having a pout fest and a loss. Don't bring that up. Sammy was there last night.

He watched Wim Bonietta have a triple-double of 10 blocks. Yeah, I don't want to do really rap stakes in the National Honor, but that is the most impressive thing I've maybe ever seen live at a sporting event was Victor Weminyama. 25. The dunk on Purtle from. 27 points, 15 rebounds, 11 blocks. And he's 7'4".

And he moves like he's a point guard. He's a slender man. He's just moving around out there. I've never seen anything like it. It was truly mind-blowing. It was crazy. The Raptors, they're 10 and 40-something, and they beat the Raptors by 30 last night.

Scotty Barnes left the bench early having a pout. He's on his way. Okay. Was he shoveling? Maybe. It's supposed to snow Thursday, so maybe he's getting the... And how were your seats last night? Very good, Kipper.

Thank you. Very good. Very good. You betcha, kid. And we actually, hopefully no Scotiabank Arena security are listening, but we moved down even further. We were almost towards the side.

Is it kind of empty now? It's pretty quiet. I'm shocked, too, just for that kid being in town. A lot of humming and hawing. Is this just still basketball? Is this we only love you if you're winning?

The Raptors could pass the Leafs in Toronto in terms of popularity. That definitely happened. I will say they're a tough watch, boys. They are just a mishmash group of not a good team. Elliot was there last night too. As promised, the star of our show remembered us. Let's bring in Elliot Friedman, Hockey Night in Canada, 32 Thoughts.

You good? I'm good, guys. How are you doing? It explains everything. You had to do your hair before you joined us. No, I was listening to Sam tell everyone how he had better seats than I did last night, So I was enjoying that. Have you looked in the mirror lately?

I'm just wondering. You know what, Nick? No. I know what I look like. It doesn't get any better. I thought maybe this is you pulling your hair out trying to figure out how many games Morgan Riley is going to get. I cannot wait until this is over. I'm so tired of this story.

I know. What do you, first of all, like unlike anything else, right? There's a, there's, there's a suspension and then there's a Toronto Maple Leaf controversial

suspension. And I like, is it true? You're getting hammered from both sides on on on where you kind of stand on this i guess oh yeah oh yeah well you know what like on saturday night so when you know it happened i was waiting for sportsnet to post the replay so i could retweet it and i tagged uh player safety Let's see what NHL. Just in case they missed it.

Yeah, because if I hadn't told them, they would never have known it happened. I saw people calling you a narc. You narc. I was like, to be honest, I didn't even realize I did it. So I just didn't even think about it i just did it and then like all the league fans are calling me a dark and it was so funny i was laughing my head off like one guy like i used to have a program that deleted all of my tweets after three months i guess it doesn't work anymore so there were people who went back through all my tweets they sent me

screenshots of it and they they're like, you have never tagged the Department of Player Safety before. And so this proves how much you hate the Maple Leafs. We got a cheese-eating rat in here. That's the departed.

So then when I said that, when I wrote that, or I said on the pod that i didn't think it was deserving of like an in-person hearing like then the sanders fans came at me but the best part was that the people who got mad at me for narking on the leaves like they were they were sending dm saying this isn't good enough you have to go further like prove your loyalty is low. Like, I was showing some of this stuff to my buddies, and they were dying laughing. It's wild, man.

It is really wild. Wait till they find out the NHL is fixed like the NFL, and it's all been predetermined. Elliot's going to leak the script. The script is in. Yeah. So where are we at on this whole thing? I mean, I asked you, I sent you a text the other day,

and you're explaining to me that the frequency of someone getting an in-person hearing and then having it walked back from six games is wildly uncommon. Yeah, it's two. I found two. I found two cases. I found a John Moore suspension from 2014 where it was an in-person hearing, and he got five games, and that was a head shot. And I found one from Dmitry Kulikov, who was a clip on Tyler Sagan from 2015, and he got four games. Those are the only two examples I have.

I think the Maple Leafs initially, when they got out of Saturday night, I think they thought that, you know, Riley might get two or three games, maybe three. But, like, when it was in person, there just isn't – like, honestly, guys, I thought Riley was going to get two games, maybe three. That's what I kind of thought. But then when it was in person, I was like,

oh, they better be prepared for six. And you you know what teams think whether it's right or wrong they think that the numbers kind of made up or made like not made up but they think in a lot of ways that the department of player safety rightly or wrongly they feel that they've made they've made their decision before you go in uh but you know all you can do is present the best defense you can and hope you can convince it to shave it down. Like, I really got the impression today, if Toronto gets out of there and Riley gets four games, they're going to consider that a major victory.

Do you think they would still appeal four games? I think it's possible. I do. I think it's possible. I don't know. Like, to be honest, if it was me, I said this to a couple people today, Justin, if it was four games, I would just get out of there and say that's a W. But that's not my decision to make.

Unless they just, regardless of money possibly being saved for a player or getting it reduced, they just want to hold you accountable on the reasons why and write them down on paper for me so we have something to look back on. Yeah, you know, I think that the reason why here, Nick, is clearly because, to me, it was a revenge play. It wasn't revenge like Spezza was seeking revenge, or it wasn't revenge the way Perron was seeking revenge.

It was revenge for the play by Ridley Gregg, the new villain in the movie of this Toronto Maple Leafs season. But also, I think, because it happened after the play. It happened at a time where the play was supposed to be dead. I know the NHL really frowns on that. But, you know, again, I think the same thing, Nick. I'd love to see everything written down. I'd love to see, like, if you wanted to,

they could have done a pay-per-view of this hearing today and they would have made millions. The cap would go up 10 million dollars if you could sell a pay-per-view to this one today. What do you make of all the online videos, the Zapruder-style films being like, this didn't get this, or this got that as comparables?

Is it just a lot of Leafs fans trying to put their finger on the scale a little bit, or is there some merit in some of the previous non-calls well when i watch this stuff you know the number one thing i think of honestly justness thank god for these people because they're the reason we all have jobs like these are the people who are they are keeping us employed they care a lot they're really passionate like i'm joking with you about the dms but you know the vast majority of them i i think are really funny and i really do enjoy them and uh um you know like these like the leaf fans they

really care they really care and i have no doubt that there was someone in that in that office looking at some of those plays like if they didn't remember the chase on play or they didn't remember the joel edmondson wayne simmons play i guarantee the maple leafs were clipping all these like you know what i wrote today going through all of the uh suspensions or disciplinary measures that have been taken for cross-checking someone said to me this morning like after i wrote it the police were doing that too they were going through every cross-checking someone said to me this morning like after i wrote it the police were doing that too they were going through every cross-checking uh penalty or suspension or non-suspension or fine and saying how does this compare to what riley does so um like like i think it's great i think fan engagement is great i think these are passionate people and i have i wish sometimes

people did my homework for me back in the day like some people did some of the leafs homework for them over the past couple of days like you know it's and and guys like you both played big games big rivalries you know this toronto ottawa rivalry it's been dead for a few years and now we're all wondering okay when's that that first game of the season like you know toronto montreal usually play when's that first game of the season? Like, you know, Toronto-Montreal usually play the first Wednesday night of the season. I wonder now if it's going to be Toronto-Ottawa opening night next year, just because after this, everyone's going to want to see the next time

these two teams play each other. And all it took was an empty net slap shot to get it going. We're joined by Elliot Friedman from Hockey Night in Canada. Well, Nick,, when you played, what would you have been expected to do if that happened when you were out there? Acme dynamite like Wile E. Coyote. They would have dropped an anvil from the rafters.

It's right up there with the pumpernickel right by your bench. Right? For sure. So, Elliot, we got to talk trade deadline. It's sneaking up here and we still have a lot of teams kind of that, you know, middle ground on what to do. And are we in it or are we not in it? And Seattle would be one of them. Minnesota Wild, Nashville, you'd think Calgary would be, but we know they can't be. They have to unload.

And I'm thinking... Yeah, they're looking to move. Yeah, and I'm thinking the haul that they could get between Tanev, Hannafin and Markstrom should excite Calgary Flame fans in the near future. Well, I think

also, too, the way they've played in the middle of all this it hasn't been easy but they had a great road trip and and they they i thought they well they looked a little bit worn out and what i saw last night of the ranger game they competed pretty hard like the one thing i think calgary has done really well is is i think that they they they've identified some young NHL players who would do well with opportunity. Like you look at Sharon Govich this year. That's a perfect example.

He's a guy who got knocked out of the top six in New Jersey, but they said, this guy, you know, we think there's an opportunity for him, and he's been one of their best players. You know, Kuzmenko, look, is he as good as he was last year in Vancouver? No. But is he as bad as he was this year in Vancouver? No. There's a player there.

And I think that's one thing that the Flames have done very well is identify guys who might benefit from a new shot with them. But I agree with you. what they can get for Tanev and what they can get for Hannafin and what I think they might have gotten for Markstrom had this trade gone through, then I think they're rebuilding well and they're playing hard. Like the one thing Calgary said is this is not a total rebuild for them. They do want to get guys who can play now, and they've done that. But I like the moves they've made, and I think they've got a chance to do a few more.

I think the other one here that was interesting done that but i like the moves they've made and i think they've got a chance to do a few more i think the other one here that was interesting with this whole markstrom situation is is uh new jersey it says to me that new jersey has not given up on the playoffs this year now they're looking for a goalie with term that's why they were willing to do mark straw the markstrom this deal came pretty close to happening but it also says to me that they're not interested in waiting for the offseason. They want to go now. And especially if Riley misses some time here, the Leafs are generally in a good spot.

They've got the best points percentage of all those teams on the bubble. They've got games in hand. But it says to me that teams like the Devils are not giving up on their playoff hopes for this season. Yeah, yeah. The Leafs are in that spot. The Flyers are still in. I mean, they've won a few, but you don't expect them to stay too hot.

So, you know, we see the Lindholm thing happen. Tanev sounds like it's going to happen at some point. There seems to have been a shift in mindset for GMs in terms of getting it done early, being the first one to make this move when everyone is coveting certain players. Have you seen that change over your career, that deadline day itself is maybe not,

maybe it's a deadline month now? Well, I think what happens, Justin, is there's a guy like Rutherford. He's always been like that. If you go through his history, the years where he won the Stanley Cup, he made moves early. He did Doug Waite, I think it was, early.

It was either Doug Waite or Mark Reckie he did really early the year Carolina won the Cup. He did Trevor Daly very early the first time Pittsburgh won the Cup under his watch. And if you look at it this year, he did Zdorov early, he did Lindholm early, and that led to Winnipeg making their move from Monaghan. I still do think there are people who prefer to wait because, you know, there's a lot of GMs who believe that, like,

one of the things that's happening with Tanev is Calgary's trying to get a first-rounder for him. And right now, I don't believe there's a first-rounder on the table for Tanev. But what happens between now and March 8th that forces someone who's maybe not willing to do it to sort of say, okay, we're going to do it. And sometimes I think the pressures of the deadline force people to really tell you what they're willing to do.

So I think that's always going to be the case. But I do like a guy like Rutherford who kind of says, I'm not playing by everybody else's rules. I'm playing by my rules. And my rule is I go when I want to go. Elliot, I always revert to you because you're the insider here. But the money that Calgary has thrown at Hannafin to me is really hard to turn down. I heard as much as seven and a half.

Someone told me, and this is unconfirmed, that they might be even willing to go to $8 million on an AAV for Hannafin. What are you hearing on just the decision on not making it about money and maybe just going south of the border? What's your latest intel on that? Well, I believe the offer was eight times seven and a half and that was the one that was earlier in the year that they basically had a verbal agreement on but then you know hannifin changed his mind and if it's changed since then i don't know that i believe that was the uh i know that was the offer back then and i think that's the offer now um so unless it's a seven times eight and a half, Nick, I never heard of an eight salary.

I heard seven and a half. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I hadn't heard that. But that's the figure. It's the $60 million range. And look, do we know 100% what the answer is? Not officially. But I definitely think that it's a situation, Nick, where every day this goes without a deal, the more other teams are saying he's in play. So, you know, I really do feel, Nick, that until we get a signing, the other teams are going to assume that he's available. Yes, I do think his preference is to go to the United States. I believe that was indicated last summer,

and then Hannafin sort of softened that, but I still think that's the preference. But, Nick, I've heard a lot of people tying Hannafin to Toronto. I would say this i think if toronto wanted to make a deal right now if i don't think he would have a problem with with toronto as a step in between now and between previous team and next team a rental but i think the yeah but i think the odds would be pretty long he would sign long term here i could always be wrong but that's my read on it.

So how does, excuse my ignorance on this, but like, you know, his agent would talk to the team that he would potentially be traded to and say, here's a number and that's all on the up and up with the NHL or is that all sort of something that happens below deck? Well, I think, first of all, you can't ask for permission. Some teams are different about it than others. Some teams don't like giving that permission, Justin,

because they feel that they lose control of the situation. Some teams are okay with doing it if they think it's going to allow them to make a better deal. I think it's all on the preference of the trading team. However, and, you know, Doug McLean, who comes on for your crazy Friday shows, your off-the-rails Fridays, he used to explain tampering very well in the NHL, and I would leave it to him to tell you how it works when they don't get official permission.

You expect, though, the Leafs to be very aggressive here, right? There's no punting it down to next year. This is a team that has star players in their prime. They got to do something here. You know, I have to say, Nick, I don't know if I would go all in this year with this team. I don't. But I'm not making those decisions.

The Maple Leafs are making those decisions. And look, I think they've weighed the possibility of a first for Tana. They haven't gotten there yet. I'm pretty sure that, look, I think they had a first on the table when it was both Zdorov and Tanev. I think they are willing to trade their first rather than one of their top prospects, Nick, and that's what I would do too. But I think they'd prefer if their first went for more than a rental.

I think they'd want to know that they can keep the player longer term. Either they get a the player longer term. Either they get a player who has term or someone like Tanev who they're very comfortable that they could extend. Although I think Ottawa's made it, I think everybody kind of sees Ottawa in the offseason as a team that's willing to throw quite a bit at Tanev. So there's that challenge now in the middle of all of this. But I really do think, Nick, that Toronto would prefer

if they were using their first rounder that it's something that they would be able to hold a bit longer than just a rental. We'll see where it goes, but that's what I think their preference is. Well, Elliot, between now and March 8th, there'll be plenty names for you to

comb through. Comb through through Elliot. Do you guys... Do you guys know that meme on Twitter with the three dragons? There's the dragon, there's the powerful looking dragon, the

powerful looking dragon, and the third dragon that looks like a complete moron. Someone just sent me that with this three screen of your hair, your hair and mine. They're like, he wrote to me, he said, you look like an idiot normally, but next to the 10 out of 10 hairdos on those two guys, you look like an even bigger idiot. I'm telling you, we've worked a lot together.

And this is the first time where your hair doesn't look real. Everything here is 100% real, Nick. Well, we appreciate your time, regardless of all Nick's abuse. The real Elliot Friedman from Hockey Night in Canada, 32 Thoughts. Thanks for coming and having some fun on our show, pal. Pleasure, guys. Take care. Thanks, Preacher.

All right. He's awesome. He is great. I love giving it to him. He said Doug explains tampering in a certain way. Did you happen to know offhand with that? Oh, it just happens all the time. Yeah.

We'll throw it out there to Doug. Yeah, you go through a barista at a local Starbucks. Yes, and there's a lot of hypothetical time. Yeah. We'll throw it out there to Doug. But yeah, you go through a barista at a local Starbucks. Yes. And there's a lot of hypotheticals. Yeah. What would you say... If this were to happen. Yes.

Okay. I'm not saying it's an offer. If this guy happened to be available, what do you think if this guy was involved in that? Well, there's been some tampering stuff in the NBA that people have gotten charged for. I don't think, has it happened? Has people been charged in the NHL?

I don't know. All I can think of. Oh, yeah. There's been some cases. All I can think of is Doug Armstrong talking about being on Hockey Canada. And like, you're a GM who has the ear of all the good players in the league.

You'd be like, you should come play for us. Yeah. Well, I mean, think about what happened with Stevie Y and Martin C. Louis. Yeah. Right? Like, it's a precar, you should come play for us. Yeah. Well, I mean, think about what happened with Stevie Y and Martin C. Louis. Yeah. Right? Like, it's a precarious thing.

Relationship fracturing. Yeah. All right. Game time, boys? Yep. It's game time presented by Bet365. Visit the app's latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at Bet365.

Must be 19+. On terror only. Please play responsibly. Okay. Now, looking at the games tonight, what do you think the line on the leafs game is i know but you know i won't i think the they've at home they probably would have the leafs favorites they're heavy favorites heavy minus 220 so oh my god that's way more than yeah so minus 220 i'm bet 365 what is that based on that you

got a guy still on a 70 goal pace and mitch marner and willie neilander's 100 last game of the trip for the blues that everyone wants to bet on the leafs they want to bet on the leafs so they they bumped the lineup a little bit but to me getting plus 180 on the blues and my favorite spot out of conference out of conference opponent, red hot, with a bunch of Ontario boys on it coming into Toronto, I really feel like it's a great bet. And if you want to juice up to plus 600, Robert Thomas has been red hot from Aurora, Ontario,

plus 600 for them to win and him to score a goal. Did you have Thomas on your Team Canada? No. You? He's knocking on the door yeah i love him yeah he's a really good player yeah i've watched him a couple times i think he's getting better and it was it was doug armstrong who dropped the adam oats type of reference on him well his numbers are crazy he's he's 57 points in 51 games like he's well above a point per on a team that's hanging on to wild card spot who did he play with during that cup run he played with maroon at one point they had that like really good line i remember him being a rookie and him

being very very good you know what's crazy too is they have guys in their team that are like minus 18 he's plus 16 on the blues so he's their best plus minus which is good really solid player so to me getting him to score a goal and the blues to win the game at plus 600 is a good bet his average ice is 21 minutes a night they're using the hell out of him yeah he plays uh and i'm looking at the late the latest game tonight is the detroit red wings are visiting the edmonton oilers which is a good game because the red wings have been very hot and the oilers are scuffling a little bit, but they did come off a 16-game winning streak recently, which we may have talked about a little bit. It came up.

I don't mind the Red Wings at plus 185 in this game. You know, the Oilers have been struggling. I know they're playing their first two good teams that they've played in a long time. That's why they actually lost because they were sick of beating tomato cans a bunch of times in a row. I don't mind the Red Wings as an underdog in this game. I really don't. If they win, that helps your Leafs. So don't you think bad things only happen to the Leafs?

Yeah, maybe. Edmonton should win. They're minus 225 favorites, so they should probably win this game, but I think that's a pretty live dog for a team that's been hot recently for the Red Wings. There you go on that one and uh was there any other ones that i was looking at tonight you have something for me calder oh yes right i'm glad you brought that up thank you uh the calder trophy you were talking about

brock faber today in the newsroom he's plus 300 now to be the calder the calder winner conor bedard who has missed how long lots i don't know exactly still minus 200 to be the calder the calder winner conor bedard who has missed how long lots i don't know exactly still minus 200 to be the calder winner yeah and this faber is playing the whole game for minnesota he's gonna finish 22 minutes yeah and he's i think above that and he's on pace for above 50 points as a rookie d-man which Which is like of historical proportions. Yeah. There's not many guys that have done that. His assist total is top 10 all time.

You know, the pace he's on. Hughes did it, right? Yep. But the pace he's on is top 10 all time for rookie assists. Like he's unbelievable. It's such, like, it's not apples to apples when you've got a much harder position on the blue line than what Bedard goes through every night as a forward and it's a name thing right like bedard's name it's such a narrative

award but like it should start to tilt a little bit to uh it has for sure like i think he was minus 500 at one point plus 300 is a great bet so favor to me conor bedard's played 39 games so far this year it seems like a lot more than I would have thought. But how many has Faber played? I don't know. So what's the max that Bedard can get to? To me, it's a numbers game. Are you going to vote for a guy that's played 60 games?

Yeah, he's probably going to play in the 50s. Faber right now has played 52 games already. 33 points. Yeah, that's impressive. And he's got 33 points in 39 games, Bedard does. But it's going to be interesting. It's now back to being a race. So it's a little bit more interesting than just Bedard running away with it.

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I saw that on NHL.com. Do you know where the fishbowl? I would imagine. Right? You know what I would do if I were him? I would see you next winter. Yeah. You know, what am I coming back for?

It's a good point. No, this guy wants to play. For sure. Wants to score goals you put it you put that fishbowl on maybe you'll channel his inner world juniors from halifax where he just goes on an absolute tear so it gets wild there you go okay we're gonna take a quick break uh when we return we'll talk about that magic 1000th nhl game alex petrangelo just hit it last night with the Vegas Golden Knights.

We'll tell you who's next, who's on tap tonight to hit the same mark when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne. Fan pregame with Ailish Forfar and Justin Cuthbert. Weekdays at 6 p.m. on Sportsnet, Sportsnet 590, The Fan, and wherever you get your podcasts. Nick Kipriost, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. Last night, the Golden honored alex petrangelo played in his 1000th nhl game that's a fantastic number so many that's actually 1000 what did your dad end up you know what not a huge number he played 14 seasons i i that's close 80 or something i don't think was he hurt a lot i don't know let me check was there less games in a season 964 964 so that's close then yeah

how many playoff games too i'm sure 139 points yeah he was at 1100 nhl games 96 playoff let me go ahead and walk that back sorry dad it's. 96 playoff points. It's always very, like, you've played regular season games in playoffs. Well, they just lumped them all in together. Well, to me, they're not less valuable NHL games. So it should be like there was that myth that one playoff suspension is really like three regular season games. Yeah. So it should be the same thing in the playoffs.

Half of the playoffs or something. Yeah, that's a lot of playoff games geez does alex petrangelo get the credit he deserves for being a great player because i think i i really got to watch him in my last year with hockey night in canada we covered the st louis blues stanley cup he was championship And I'm telling you, he completely took me to another level on his appreciation or my lack of appreciation for him until I saw him in that Stanley Cup final. So we had this conversation

while you were making insider phone calls, Sammy and I, Hall of Famer, not a Hall of Famer, Alex Petrangelo. Yeah. Oh yeah, he's on my Hall of Fame of fame for sure it's actually a much easier case than yeah it sounds like a lot of guys like well it's not that hard to stanley cups yeah with different teams as a captain not the captain but a captain

on both those teams yeah yeah and uh i know mark stone had the c on his shirt, but he could have easily been right there with Mark Messier captaining two teams to a Stanley Cup championship. And one of my favorite clips of all time from Pat Drangelo when he's playing that weird Lake Tahoe game and McKinnon picking up pace to the neutral zone. Whoa, boy. He's got

600 points. 596 right now. uh if we got doug armstrong back on our show as we had him in the first hour and if you haven't had a chance to uh to hear him please download it because uh doug's a really good listen i believe if doug armstrong had a a do-over he would have found a way to sign him and keep him in St. Louis. Think so? Yeah. Yeah, I could see that.

Also, in terms of playoff games, this guy's played 132 playoff games to go with his 1,000 regular season games. So massive, massive numbers. I mean, no brainer. Probably going to add 10, 15 this year to that number. Also, the most shocking thing about petrangelo because you don't think about him like this he's 6 3 2 15 and he's got a mean streak yeah we saw that one the leon whack loved it yeah we saw that he's ultra competitive you know pretty good combo we just described and honestly again george mcphee and uh

and kelly mccrimmon terrific uh additions the last few years but petrangelo for me is when you establish that you're not only signing a great player, but you're signing a winner, right? He's got the secret sauce. Yep. He did it already. That, to me, took Vegas to another level. Yep. And isn't, did we say Marchand is hitting 1,000?

The second man. Sorry, sorry, stepped on your bit. No, that's okay. That's, you know, Ed McMahon did it all those years for johnny carson okay it's the most insulting thing you've ever said to me you're like who's that please call me andy richter no i don't know i don't know any of these okay you don't know any of them brad morshan hits 1000 games tonight for the boston bruins and uh where do we have him in terms of, I don't know, Hall of Famer maybe?

Wow. I don't know. Can he sneak in there? Does he need to sneak in there? Is he going to get in there naturally? Well, Brad Marchand, 1,000 NHL games in the regular season has 910 points, which is really, really good. 146 playoff games with 128 points in those.

I mean, those are massive numbers on both sides for a guy who plays a role beyond the point getter, right? I mean, God, he's got a case, depending how the next... I just, when I think of Hall of Famers, I think of game changers. Guys who are the best guy in the league or top three for a number of years of their career. A guy that can influence a game and a series. So your point is you don't think of them that way.

I do. Oh, you do? Oh, no, I do. I am an impactful player. I get the numbers. I would agree with that. He has had an impact. Yeah. And maybe he needs a couple more years. I don't know. yeah player yeah okay i get the numbers i would agree with that right he has had an impact yeah

and maybe he needs maybe he needs a couple more years i i don't know but i love the numbers i i like him a lot if he gets to a thousand points which is pretty reasonable right he's in season 15 90 points to go uh yeah i can see it for sure he's he's definitely got a case um an interesting evolution his career you know here in toronto a lot of the talk of Ridley Gregg has been, you know, oh, he was like Brad Marchand in junior. He has that Marchand sort of quality to him. That's a hell of a compliment for a guy who's earned Hart Trophy votes over the course of his career.

So, yeah, he is the best case scenario for guys who are gritty in the early days of their career. Brad Marchand against Tampa Bay Lightning tonight for his 1,000th game. Sammy, three-point game coming there. For sure. I did hear that Tampa's in on Hannafin, too, to replace Sergeyev. It's crazy how many people are in on Tane hannifin is available in means that you're making calls you're inquiring it doesn't mean that you can get the deal done or that you have enough assets offhand i can't tell you how much of the cupboards left in tampa because we've seen them

over the years make some significant moves to to shore up their stanley cup championships over the years they would be in a position like uh toronto where it's like okay how much how much more you want to drain yeah we we had an interesting guy on in the first hour and doug armstrong president gm of the of the san lis blues they won the cup in 2018 is that correct 2018 uh just five six years ago right was that my crazy there 28 yeah it was 19 18 19 yeah that's right because caps were the year before so that's only five years ago four or five years ago of their 21 draft picks in the next three years they They have 22. So they have won a cup. They are in a playoff spot.

They have all of their draft picks plus. I mean, how unbelievable a GM job is that? So I look at Tampa Bay and go, they're clearly going to be in a different position at some point, like the Leafs are at some point, where it's like Chicago, where you hit this high and then you bottom out. It's rare to do what

the st louis blues have done yeah except that chicago blackhawks have three of those big shiny mugs that they can look back on and enjoy as opposed to the leafs going through the process with one round win that gets you through the dark days for sure yeah um other piece of news the salt lake city unnamed team uh is going to play host to a game next year the kings and golden knights have a pre-season tilt scheduled in salt lake city so next year they're horned up i mean they're just they're dying just take arizona now and have all the exhibition games you want next year you know what utah should just be this team, this state that just grabs everyone else's leftovers and keeps the name.

So we're the Utah Jazz, even though it's the least jazzy state. And now we're the Salt Lake City Coyotes, which I love. Are there coyotes in Salt Lake? I have no idea. Who cares? From now on, they're the Coyotes. Salt Lake City, silver tips, boys. That's it.

It's a good name. I know. It sounds really good. Yeah, it does. I'm sold on that one. So Everett's going to have to give up the name and uh i guess there's a lot just like the nhl being like we're the four nations face off now and it's like didn't that exist for another anyway kitchener rangers they're like yeah we're the rangers too they've been around forever too so maybe they were first

uh last night we we spoke earlier on the show about a great game against the rangers and calgary Flames. Calgary did lose one of their young players, Jacob Pelche. Did you see the hit? No. It was, it was,

Truba came down on him. And we heard the panel last night. I was listening to Ace, Anson Carter, and Luke, and Colby talk about this particular play because it goes into kind of like that whole kind of system now around the league is like these stretch wingers. So he was up with the blue line. And he got clipped the moment he had the puck.

Jacob Truby just stepped right into him and great hit no problem with it yeah no no clean hit for sure but like what happened in the days where you just pull a defenseman down to the hash marks you want to come and get me come and get me down here but yeah they either blow the zone or they're sitting on the blue line didn't have to travel far to get them well and that's the thing I would say that, like, bugs me a little bit with the whole push-to-pace thing is that winger is supposed to cut across and take someone with him. And often you just see guys going straight, blowing the zone.

D-man's not going with them. Or the D are so far backed off, you're skating into traffic. There's no actual decision-making being made. They're just like coach says go and they go so the one thing that uh that the guys didn't mention on the panel was the fact that pelche too is standing a foot from his bench and you could see not one one guy on the bench said heads up. You got 18 guys. You got four coaches.

You got trainers. Can somebody tell them Jacob Truba is coming? That's where a lot of responsibility has to come to that bench going, boys, let's talk here. Make your eyes your ears and your ears your eyes tough spot for that kid too because he had been hurt excited to come back play at madison square garden he talked about how thrilled he was and um yeah obviously didn't get to play much of the game so all right on that one uh seattle in the island tonight. Seattle's one loss away from being complete sellers for you right now.

Yeah. I mean, they should just be complete sellers for me. It's not just how many points back they are right now. They're six points out of a wild card spot, but they're behind the wild, the flames, the Preds. You know, they got to go over so many teams. I just, they're not that good. They can't score goals they're two seven

won their last 10th lost three straight can i give you a dream target for the toronto maple east from that team can i guess at first is it alexia he's i would enjoy that no uh yanni gourd larson oh yes that's not happy no they love gourd eh well you're going to give up what's Gord have is he is his deal done does he have another year left I'm just looking at it right this second he makes four and a half

or what he makes five one five one this year next it's a big ticket yeah you can but it's going gonna cost you a first and but yes i love the competitiveness of that guy i've always loved him as a player perfect in the least bottom six play him up the lineup a little bit there's an arms race for centerman

so that drives up the value of a guy like Gord, do you think? Well, Monaghan, everybody, if Monaghan with a bad hip can get traded for a first rounder, everybody's licking their chops. I'm going to say I'm not as excited about that pickup for the Jets. I'm just looking at Yanni Gord's cap-friendly page and Bukala's pro hockey group scouting report is on there and the professional report overall rating of an 83 when weighted against counterparts at the following talent level for third line i saw him actually punch a guy's nose off his face like it actually ripped

the nose he's an animal he can score the kraken they're not getting rid of Gord, but they're getting rid of Wenberg. So, you know, that's who. Okay. Great. I don't mean to be. Jenner, Renberg, Scott Laughlin. Those are the centermen that are going to, that are all out there. Boone, Jenner, talk to me. Right?

Yeah. Who was Jenner? But those are, those are first round picks plus. You mean Boone, Jenner? Boone. Yeah, Boone. What did I say? Bruce, Jenner. Oh, yeah. Let's not do that. Yeah. plus. You mean Boone Jenner. Boone. Yeah, Boone. What did I say? Bruce Jenner.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's not do that. Yeah. I mean. I'm old. No, it's fine. Yes, I know. Going back to the 76 Olympics.

Yeah. The Wheaties. The Wheaties. That, if Sean Monaghan is worth a first, like Boone Jenner, worth a lot to Columbus. But if you're the Blue Jackets, like what something's got to give here doesn't it whether it's players or kekka lining or kekka lining will be in the summer i don't know but what's the point now just you know let him make more decisions based on how those decisions have panned out yeah i wouldn't believe that uh you know He'd completely have a green light

to do whatever he wants at this point. Some heavy oversight in Columbus. Bring me Yanni Gourd. Alright, just like that. Two hours up. Our thanks to Doug Armstrong, President and General Manager

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