Real Kyper & Bourne - Early-November NHL Headlines with Nate Thompson

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined by former NHLer and NHL Network analyst Nate Thompson (3:23) to chat about Evan Bouchard's costly error against the St. Louis Blues, how Matthew Schaefer has handled a new level of physical play, why he believes in Macklin Celebrini cracking Team Canada's Olympic roster, Justus Annunen knocking off the net from its moorings on the Wild's controversial game-winning goal, and the Montreal Canadiens' surprising start to the 2025-26 season. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee discuss whether a goaltender should be penalised for displacing the net and what has gone wrong for the defending Stanley Cup Champion Panthers. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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very successful guy and now co-host of the energy line with JSB also does great work with the NHL network before we get to him

I want to talk about this sweater back here for a sec That is the American League team, Cleveland. They've rebranded as the Cleveland Perugis for a game this past year, I think, to honor the Polish and Ukrainian heritage there. I'm part Ukrainian. I have a parogi tattoo on the inside of my arm.

And me and my cousins all have a fantasy football league called the Parogi Cup. On the back is the number 45, which is the record for the most parogi's eaten at one sitting by our family. Oh, my God. A disgusting amount. Is that you? My cousin Adam, no. Okay.

I do want to challenge it one day. Okay. By the way, he also was just like eating bites at calbasa while eating the... What's a sitting? A sitting? Like how long do you have in a sitting? I think you need to be eating the parogi. Okay.

You know, I think there's... So is there pressure now on me to find a soufflaki team? Yes. Right? My uncle Ken tracked this thing down from a collector who's going to be there, who went and got it for us and sent it up, got the number on the back and everything. So if you win, the parogi copy. that's what you get to wear.

This is a special jersey. Special. Oh, I got to get a team. I got to get my cousin George Kalino goes to eat like nine soufflis, right? To set a record or something. You've got to have a family, a personal best. Nice job. Also, nice job, guys, raising some money here.

Wuppah! We're, I pleaded for a few of our listeners to chip in a little bit, Help us get out of the basement for a great cause. Easter Seals. We're playing hockey on Friday. The three of us together. Yeah. I don't know how I feel about that.

It's going to be great. I'm going to start fights and then hide behind you. No. I'm really looking forward to it. I am. Looking forward to it. But where are we, Sammy? 12,000, 13,000?

I'm just quickly pulling up here. Can we get to 15 by the end of the week? 12,800. $147.29. Wow. That's crazy. You were too wide in the hour here. Yeah, yeah. It's going up and up and up.

Thank you, everyone. So if we just asked every Canadian to donate $1, we'd have. How much do you think we could raise? Enough to pay Boba Schett for two seasons. Maybe one and a half seasons. Okay, so 50 cents. Less than Shane Bieber took on his option. Yeah, way to go, beeps.

All right. In the meantime, let's welcome in Nate Thompson, former NHeller. now working with the NHL Network and also co-hosting the Energy Line with JSB. Nate, how are you, man? Thanks for joining us. I'm good, guys. Thanks for having me.

Good. So obviously, a couple of good storylines right now are some of the teams that we expect to be there at the end again, Edmonton Oilers. But I think on the surface we can sit there and go, okay, a couple Stanley Cup finals, emotionally drained. We get a tough start. but how much of a leeway do you think that they have moving forward here?

Not much more leeway left, I think. And I say that because we're in the third year of this, and I don't know if it's sustainable in the third year to be able to do what they've done in the last two years where it's kind of a rope-a-dope, right? They get off to this struggle start, guys aren't scoring, and then all of a sudden they come on again, you know, the latter part of the season.

But I just don't think it's sustainable for them to continue this. way. You know, different, different guys haven't been good. You know, it's, I mean, that. It's, it's an inconsistency, I think, guys. I think it's, you know, some games, you get, you know, big contributions from their main guys. And then it's, we don't know what happened, right? And it's, I just don't think it's sustainable in this year for them to continue the way they are and, and play with our emotions, really. Yeah. Hey, Nate, I'm going to dig into the NHL as well at some point, but it's cool to get to talk to you because you and I have so much in common, even though we've never really crossed paths.

Anchorage, Alaska boy yourself, and I played there, and I think we both changed our living habits at some point. I want to talk a little bit about your Alaska ties and how close do you remain or how much do you root for these guys that you still see around the NHL, I guess Swain and sort of the big name from Alaska these days. Yeah, we definitely root for our own, Justin, as you know, being from Alaska, we're definitely proud of it. You know, when I was in the league, having guys like Gomez, Dobinsky, Matt Carl, you know, Tim Wallace, name a few. It was a, it was a proud time to

be from Alaska because we don't have a lot of people up there and, you know, you're rooting for guys. And I remember Gomez being the guy that always pulled me inside and always said, hey, we take care of our own from Alaska. So I definitely remember that. And, you know, when Jeremy Swayman entered the league and, you know, I got to skate with him once summer, it was towards the end of my career. And, you know, getting a shoot on him, I was like, like, geez, this kid's legit. He's pretty good. And, you know, sure as we know, the rest is history for him.

And, you know, he's obviously a league goaltender in the league. And for him to represent Alaska the way he has, it's awesome. So what was the movie up there, mystery, mystery Alaska? Were you guys extras or what? It should have been. Should have been. Yeah. We got, we was robbed.

Could have won an Oscar. Oh, you know, just. Nate, one more thing. Are you okay? Go ahead. Because I just wanted, I want to stay on Edmonton. You want to stay on Edmonton? Okay.

Bouchard, Nate. And the heat that he's taken at times, not just recently, but probably throughout his career. And there seems to be a long rope on, oh, but he does this really well. And he shows up, and they've been in the finals the last couple times. And he's been a huge part. And he's one of the best defensemen. He should be challenging for an Olympic spot. Yada, yada, yada.

And yet, I don't think some Edmonton Oiler fans can't get over the fact that on the game winning goal the other night in St. Louis, it just looked like he went out of his way to block a shot. What do you make of it in a big picture of what Bouchard is and where his true strengths lie? Well, I think his true strengths, as we know, are on the offensive side of things and what he's done in the playoffs the last couple of years and the numbers he. he's put up has been obviously extremely impressive, but I think it's the side of his defensive side, his care with the puck at times, as we've seen. And I think if he puts himself, wants to put himself in the elite defenseman of the league, in my opinion, you know, you look at guys like Morrissey, McCar, you know, different guys, elite guys in the league, and we don't have these trends of, you know, lapses

in their game, but for him to come alive and, you know, make these, you know, what I would say big, big time plays and blocking shots or whatever it may be, it's a good sign for the Oilers that he wants to have a complete game. And he's also lucky in the sense, too, like, he's got good coaching staff there. He's got a good, pretty good Hall of Fame coach behind the bench to hopefully help him out along the way in Paul Coffey. So, you know, it's tough because there's, there's a trend to it with him and he can't seem to, you know, get out of that trend at times. But I, I'd say I think I believe in Evan Bouchard. I think he's going to figure it out and put it together.

I think he just has too much ability and he's too smart. And they paid him to, right? So he has to at this point. Nate, you, you know, you're someone who played the game with like a good physical edge. You know, I've got some Islanders ties and I've been watching more of them and watching Matthew Schaefer lately. And kid is unbelievable, lighten it up. You know, last game, and actually a number of games this year,

but last game is Adoroav after the whistle. I don't know if you saw it, but like, you know, just greasing them, like giving them a little extra one here and there. I wonder what you think about where, where that lies on, you know, whatever sort of code you believe there is. A kid like this, new to the league, young kid, is he just as eligible to be punched in the face as anyone else out there? Yeah, I think he is.

I think he was in the fight. He was, you know, he's battling big Zadorov. And you got to give the kid credit. I mean, he didn't back down. And, you know, most, I feel like 18, 19-year-old guys that are the rookies, you know, they'll stay away from big guys like that. They might not go into that danger zone next to him, right, and really mix it up. But he didn't back down one bit.

So I think he, at that point, I know he's 18, he's a rookie. He's the darling of the NHL right now, you could say. But, you know, he's on the ice just like everyone else, and he's fair game. So I think it's okay. And to the Islander's credit, you know, like it was. It was game on once, you know, once he engaged into Matthew Schaefer and, you know, they all jumped in. So good on, good on the Islanders and good on Matthew Schaefer for sticking up for him. Yeah, Nate, you know, there's in that situation as a young kid, he's done what he's done.

But that's a layer that can benefit him more by not backing down than it could ever do anything more for Zedoroff. yeah right absolutely no i totally agree with you nick i think you look at a guy like macklin celebrina i mean look at the i don't know if you guys watch the game against detroit but when he gets into it with uh with cider you know they're battling for a good 10 to 15 seconds before he gets in front of the net he's battling for position and now all of a sudden then they get into it in front of the net but it's just compete it's just compete when i see guys like matthew shaffer and macklin celebrating these guys you know when they're getting into it with different players on team and they're getting in scuffles it's just compete

That's what it is. They're competing as hard as they can. And I think that's what separates them from maybe other young star players is their compete level. Like, are there guys good enough to play in the NHL without that? Like, do you play with many guys along the way who you just felt like they're here because they're super talented, but they didn't have that sort of level of bite? Oh, yeah.

I mean, I think we could all say that the same. We've seen so many guys over the course of our careers and different levels that you see, you know, guys my time is the minors. I see guys that are just off the chart with skill and talent. But when it comes down to it, you know, the guy that will work harder than him at the end is probably going to be rewarded. And I think when you have the combination of skill and the work ethic with these young guys like Matthew Schaefer and Macklin Celebrini, like, you know, the comparison now with Celebrini is, you know, Minnie Crosby. And I see it. I really do.

And a Schaefer, too. You know, I see him. I see the elite. of him, right? Like how he is separating himself from other young defensemen in the league and how he's doing it is just extremely impressive. I put an article together for Sportsnet.ca

about certain things around the league that you hear and just to your point on Sellebrini, at this point, do you need to see more out of him or right now a very serious contender for an Olympic spot? Yeah, Nick, I, I think that

I think at this point, I think he's a lock. I don't think it's a matter of. That's interesting. I know, I know it is. It's crazy. I know.

I think he has to be either, I mean, worst case, he's an extra. That's my opinion. I think, but you play him anywhere in the lineup.

I think you could play him on the first line and you could play him on the fourth line just by how Macklin-Cellibini plays. And, you know, I know it's cliche,

but his 200-foot game. Like the way he plays at every zone, own. If I'm John Cooper and that coaching staff, I trust him when he's on the ice. Yeah. I mean, it's tough to argue with his results in the early part of the season.

We haven't got to this yet. There was a play last night. Not sure if you caught it. Wilde played the Nashville Predators. Goalie intentionally kicks the net off the moorings with a puck near the net and they call it a goal. They're just like, ah, it probably would have been a goal.

We haven't even had a chance to really argue about it because I feel like you think maybe it shouldn't have been a goal. I like it. I think the guy would have scored there. It's the right call. What was your take on? I'll let you have first go there, Nate. I did not think it's a goal. And I tried to look at every single angle. And I even read off

Dave Jackson's tweet, and this is what he said. He said, if and he thought it was the correct call, if defensive team knocks the net off intentionally on accidentally and the attacking team or accidentally and the attacking team has an imminent scoring opportunity than

the play is allowed to be completed correct call see the gray area for me is imminent scoring opportunities if you look at the replay when he shoots this puck it goes to the side of the net and the net the mooring's still on the left side like if that net is still on its moorings that's not going to the net it's going wide and that's where i think it's a gray area there and you saw stephen stamcos's reaction after the game and he he described it the same way you know, their definition of imminent scoring chances and ours is completely different because he would have missed the net if the morning, if the net was on its moorings. Nothing drives me more, nothing drives me batty more than a goalie that knocks the net off.

God, Matt Marie was good at that in Toronto, wasn't he? It is just, it's as close to cheating as you can come for me. It's trying. it's it's the guy that in the middle of a road hockey game tied takes his net and goes home because his mom called him for dinner you know I mean you're just you're just ruining the game and I'm fine with it getting being a goal called against to punish the goal just to punish them all right just a punch give him two goals it's a moral opposition Nate here I'll say this and I agree what they did like I like how

they are making a statement with this, not allowing goalies to get away with this, because we all know goalies, they're smart. And there's no accidents most of the time behind those situations. But I think the better call would have been just give a penalty. Put them down four on three and make them pay that way. I just, I don't think you can hang the balance on a goal like that.

And there's a lot of gray areas. That's, we can all agree to disagree, but that's right. No, it can be talked into that. Yeah. Yeah. What's crazy is like both those teams are trying to.

I'm trying to. Both those teams are just so desperate for points, right? Like watching that game, it's like, God, these two teams are clawing. So, you know, what's it like in the early going when you're on a team and you know that it's going the wrong way? Like, how do you keep the good vibes going? Is it possible? Do you take a different role inside the dressing room? You know, it's a tough spot a month in when you feel like your season's slipping away.

Yeah, I've been on both sides of it. I've been on both sides when, you know, we've been struggling and we've had. a really good team and got ourselves out of it and then I've been on teams where it's just the bleeding doesn't stop bleeding and you know it's tough I think when you're both those teams you know they're

kind of in that middle ground trying to push for the playoffs maybe not a contender so it's just a matter of trying to find your identity I think for these teams that are pottering along it's trying to find who they are and I think a lot of these teams don't know who they are yet and you know trying

to get out of it it's it's tough too And I'd say this in an Olympic schedule, I'll say this might have something to do with a lot of this inconsistency throughout the league is possibly not a lot, not enough practice time, right? These teams are having to condense schedule. You're playing a lot of games and these coaches aren't getting a whole lot of practice time, which they're used to at this point in the season. And, you know, that could have something to do with it. So I think it's a number of variables, I think, at this point. But, you know, I'd say, for example, you know, when I was in Anaheim, we started off, I think in 20, you know, You know, 15, 2016, we were the last place the end of November.

And we ended up winning the division that year. And I just think those scenarios are outliers, and you're not going to see a lot of that. So just on that note, just biggest surprise from Montreal to Pittsburgh. You mentioned Anaheim, a big win last night. Who surprised you the most and who's got sustaining power? I'd say all three of them surprising maybe maybe Montreal leaning towards the least surprising I think just because of what they did last year we see their young core group of guys you know and I think for them you know even last night you know they probably played their worst game of the season against Philly and they still find a way to get a point so I think when you're a good team and you're playing bad and you're still finding ways to win it's a good sign and then as far as Pittsburgh and Anaheim goes like Pittsburgh probably the most impressive for me I think

just because of what you're seeing from you know the old dogs and how they're you know how they're producing and then you're getting supplemented scoring through young guys but now they're going to be tested guys like you know they have some injuries and some guys that have them called up but then Anaheim too I'll touch on them for me Anaheim it's I'm not going to lie

I'm trying to tune in every single night when they're playing just because of how exciting they are to watch play. Some of these young guys, like, you know, like I watch Jackson Lacombe every time he's on the ice, and this guy is unbelievable. You know, and then Cutter Gochee gets a hat trick last night. Leo Carlson keeps chugging along. I mean, this team is, um, yeah, they got,

they got an exciting bright future. Totally. Coach doesn't hurt. Coach doesn't hurt. Definitely not. But I'd say it's out of those three, the most sustained. I would say is Montreal. I just think that the way they're built,

scolies, everything, I think that they can sustain this throughout the season. I was just going to back up one point he made there, the Cutter Goce thing. He's second in the NHL and shots. Nathan McKinnon, Cutter Goce. Guys, I know, he's producing a lot. Hey, Nate, great stuff, man. Really appreciate your time.

Continuous success, okay? Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. Thanks for joining us, man. Appreciate it. Nate Thompson. That guy was like... Nails. Yeah, just one of those, like, need a Nate to win. Yeah, and played on some great teams to his point here.

Foot Soldier. God, he played for a lot of teams too, man. A lot of NHL games. That's a career right there. Ducks are awesome to watch. Ducks are awesome to watch. And it's too bad it's happening in the worst jersey the NHL has ever been made. The worst one of any team that's ever been made, the orange one.

It's horrible. It's like unwatchable. Yeah. You know, it's too orange. orange too orange the thing that pisses me off the most about it is just they're trying to get so cute and you just have you have it just do the purple one purple eggplant jersey purple eggplan there's no purple in the league and it was quintessential jersey everyone loved it universally loved yeah they're like let's do it but make it as awful as you could possibly imagine uh the boys at what

chaos did uh like a feature in the duck store the gear is unbelievably cool like they they've got great hats, great sweat, all that. Just get a jersey. Not those. You're going to be, like, I remember. Wow, I remember watching a game last year, and it's like they're going to play the Montreal Canadians in the Bell Center. And they're wearing the bright orange, like, oh, my God.

It's like me showing up at Rosedale with cutoffs. Like, it's like, you can't participate here. Speaking of which, huge team cameras. is going to present the jersey and it will be like it could decide whether or not they win the gold medal or not yes you're making fun of sam but this is important okay i got some pre takes we've got time here i got some pre takes on this team canada sent out a little teaser of like what their jerseys are going to be for team canada let me guess red and white no that's the problem there is a corner that looks like the leaf that is black and there's been this obsession that Hockey Canada has had with like over the last couple jerseys that they've done

with integrating a bunch of black into the jerseys. And like I don't mind a little trim. Like they've done it with trim, it's fine. But to make it one of the focal point colors is insane. And they're going to, they're going to, it's going to be bad. I'm telling you right now. Oh, no. They're not going to nail it.

I sent it a tweet about it. People are already concerned. If, uh, I'm concerned. This matters. It's the first Olympics. You can't go from losing game seven of the World Series. to now jersey concern. I'm worried about you.

I mean, it matters, though. I think, I want to say it's Barry Pachesky wrote this article for Defector, but it's like about how black jerseys are an epidemic in sports. Totally agree. Who's to blame? I don't know.

L.A. Raiders. Is that maybe it? Oakland Raiders. Yeah, they started it. But we had the throwback game where the Whalers played the Quebec Nordicke and that sweater matchup and everyone was like, oh, it's incredible.

Everyone loves it. And they're like, and now back to... Everybody looked big. Utah, L.A. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, even our beloved mammoth, which their colors are, like the... They should go in all blue like the Nord-Eaks because they have that color. Baby blue.

I agree. Not enough green, not enough purple. Not enough blue. There's the T. This is the PIC Sam is upset. No joke. Kip, this picture ruins Sam's there. It shows nothing.

Yes, it does. Yes, it does. It could be a shoulder patched. That's the little part of the leaf at the bottom. It looks exactly like the ones that wore in Sochi. when they didn't have an HLers there, which one of the worst jerseys in our country's history. It's going to be bad.

It could have been a pen exploding in someone's pocket for all we know. You guys don't care about this stuff? I do. Kipper's, I care about this and I'm worried on it. He cares about making sure you know he doesn't care. This is a, and on the day. I got a progi within 10 feet of me in my face. Don't tell me I don't care.

Broge a cup. Shout out my petitions of Juba's incest. Catoon. Did you guys want to quickly talk about the Zadora thing? Because we talked about it with Nate, but before we get the game time. I loved it.

I loved every part of it. All of it. All of it. Yes. Yes. I love Zadora going after him, and I love the kid hanging in there. I loved everything about it.

You like the reaction from the Islanders guys, they went right back at Zadoro of. I'm watching some games, and it's like, please someone do something like that. Just anything than what I'm watching now. It's funny because, you know, I, you know, my sort of initial thought is like,

oh, you know, like he's kind of prone, Schaefer, he's half on the ice, Zedorov's a monster, and it's like, what are you doing? And then, you know, as I'm asking Nate the question, it's like, why is he not eligible to be punched in the face because he's good? Like, you're on the ice, you're in the game. It's part of the...

It's only going to grow the kids... He's back behind there. It gets greased pretty good, man. Everything about him, just... He's got more to... a gain in that scenario than, like I said, Zadorov. That's a bit of a die. He tries to get up and pick another one.

The first one was a die. See, I give Zadorov a ton of credit knowing that he's been paying attention to this guy. He's good. He's already a leader on the team and he can hurt us. So why wouldn't I challenge him now and just get him looking over his shoulder? That's literally what you paid Zadorov to do. That's why you gave him. him millions. Do you want to hear Zadorov's thoughts on the

fracas after the game? I do. Let's play Zadorav, who sounds like a Bond villain. Pretty good dust up in the second behind Sway's net. What was all that like? I looked on my Pims from last year. I need to get him up this year. So go after

the best 18 year old in the world. Yeah. When the Leafs are hot and heavy after Zadora, was that two off seasons ago whenever he signed there? I was really looking forward to that because I've always loved this guy. He just, he does not care. He is, go ahead.

I was there is a growing faction of Islanders fans who are saying we need an enforcement. They're supposed to do that. And you know what else it's supposed to do? Pylon Patrick and I'm trying to blush. Matthew Darsh. Yeah, Matthew Darsh, we had on the show

maybe a week and a half ago. now they're like oh oh what do we do here the thing is you just said you like the islander's reaction to it all of course i do but it i like the i like the pressure now it puts on the management team to go all right was that just a one-off what happens if it happens again again again we but it has happened a few times and they've all gone bananas every time and now they have to make a decision yeah go find somebody that can just push back or tell anybody like a door off not on my watch

and that's the beauty now is what do they do do they go another game just as is do fine does another team watch that when they play the islanders and go okay that's all I have to do to shut this kid down is just maybe challenge him early it's all the domino

effect of that sure I like that too but I do think if you're another team watching that you go oh if I do that I'm going to get dog piled like it's not like I get a freebie on the guy I don't think that having Kermis McDermott with the press pot. That's what I'm saying.

It's great. That's their team solution. I don't think that having, you know, whatever heavy you go acquire. Anthony, do Claire is the first guy in there. Heavy, the right heavy is valuable.

Yeah, if you could get one that could play hockey, you know, like a guy you can use. Yeah, it would help. You know, like, it would help. There are guys. How many are there?

Not a ton. By the way, while we're talking about this whole element of the game, Gabe Landisog, last night, fought a guy in his sixth NHL game. The abs are down. He's the captain of the abs.

And he's like, what do I need to do? Is he the most respectable player ever? And he found some kid who was looking to make a name for himself, and it was fantastic. Like this guy's just like, here's what we need in this moment. Love Gabe Landis.

That's that, that's that O.HL Midwest Division training right there. Kishner Rangers. Love it. And he's not the guy that he used to be before the major injury. It's been a slow. And I don't know how much, I don't know how better he's going to get. But he won't get better.

He won't hit. He'll never hit that level that he had before. No. So he's finding different ways to contribute. I mean, you look at this team. That Leckin and McKinnon Natchez's line is, see you later. Colton Nelson, Natchewishkin is a superpower.

Landisog on your third line with Olifson and Jack Drury. He's been very good. They're just loaded for me. And even if he's not himself, like all those guys that are, core of that team, adore him. And he's going to do the right thing. He's like, is having him there and having him playing is a huge bonus to the team. It's just cool that he's out, out there.

Yeah, like. Totally. Absolutely. Game time? Game time. It's game time. Presented by Bet 365. Visit the app for the latest odds and see why it's ever ordinary a bet three 65.

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140 in vancouver tonight the uh the canucks are minus 165 on the money line uh looking at the leifs game tonight leaps are pretty heavy favorites as you would imagine public team minus 155 Utah in the second half of back-to-back plus 130 McBain, Toronto boy right? Kip Yep. Love him to score a goal tonight. He's a big boy. I mean, he's not exactly a prolific goal score, but these guys

Or fight. These guys come in here. We're on the top. I mean, this is this. You know what? Let's all just fight. I believe he's got a major. Oh, no. Yeah. Somebody fought. Jake. Jake McKayvade. Did he get five for fighting? Oh, yeah. Oh, I mean when he punched out talk? Yeah, he got five. Yeah, he got five.

Yeah, so. A minute per knuckle. This is a classic out of conference, Western conference team that comes here once a year with a few Toronto guys on it. That'll score a goal. Smash that Utah bet. And give me a Jack McBain goal tonight.

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Welcome back to the program. The Real Kippin-Born Show, National Edition. At Kippreel is Justin Boren. Sammy McKee. Just in break, we were talking about the blown leads by Edmonton. They're yipping right now. Yeah, they are. It's just like they feel like they're going to blow it.

But they got a long leash, don't they? The longest leash. In terms of what? Just in terms of. I don't know, 20 games. How about 20 games? I'm just annoyed by them. like I know we all know how good you are like just okay let's get the slow start over with like I'm just sick of doing this every year okay so it I said 20 games what are they at 15 yeah so it does lend something to the idea that it's related to the year before you know like I I think I've just sort of been like it's been bad luck or bad whatever reason I haven't really chalked it up to their playoff runs the year before but that they're doing it again here after

after another Stanley Cup final appearance really does make you think they're going just get our 100 points put us in the playoffs and we'll figure we'll go show L.A. and Dallas who's boss again and off we go. I'm just bored of it. Yeah. Like if you put them in a series right now, 6, 5 and 4

against Dallas or L.A. I think it's against every team. I mean Dallas is maybe the only one where you go Colorado in town Saturday night. That's a big game. You're talking about the best team in the league I know. And like maybe Dallas is in too, but like, they've smoked.

Orler fans, they'll get on them if they don't win Saturday against Colorado. Vegas is 7, 2, and 3 and they'll be like, okay, well, here we go again. And then they had to deal with Ranton in last night. I think he had three points. What is his...

What is his... He controls the game. He controls the game when he's out there. There's a very good chance. He's got the puck, and he's just making... plays he's he's a game changer strong he's just not that flashy i don't know just it just he's whenever the puck is in a dangerous spot it feels like he appears with the puck and shoots it in

he's very strong he's great on his edges this yager like is that a fair comparison yes it is it is all right i'll take it yeah good call yeah just kind of got jogger like fast but he's just kind of holds guys off and gets to the spots boy i wish mish marks it yesterday that trade without Mario right right think about that if like rupe hints was Mario how good would ranton and be ran in the back door just always in the right spot I don't know I just did I did some work today there's a my article's up on sports net which is on the nine new coaches the nine coaches having a fresh start with their teams first off can you believe there's that many.

So going through it, there was some real trips about how Martin St. Louis, did I say this yesterday? Fourth longest tenured coach in the NHL? That's just crazy talk. He's played two seasons,

or he's had two full seasons. But they, that's the, like they changed their longest? Fourth longest. The only... Who's fifth longest? Do you have it?

Do you have all this or no? Yes. Sorry. No, I do. It's going to take me half of a second. Okay. But Spencer Carberry is the seventh longest. I know that one, which is wild.

That's crazy. So the, just on the lead. like last year I know half a second ago all right longest tenured coaches it's Cooper Bedner

Brindamore St. Louis Bruce Cassidy with the Vegas Golden Knights then Paul Marie Spencer Carberry wow yeah so like the average

over the last 15 years is between two and 2.8 years a coaching job when you get hired you're hired for the honeymoon period and then you better be good or you get fired as a reminder

this hour of Real Kipperman Born brought you by Bet365 I don't think the Sal salary cap did coaches any favors it's like the one thing you could change yes and once i run out of like the last nerve on my club and i got to do something you're the one next it's crazy i can't trade this guy years is nuts right it's nuts to it's nuts to say ah we this is the guy new direction hire a guy he implements a system halfway through the year everyone's playing it and the next season halfway through it, you're going, nah, we need a new guy.

New voice. So, Sam, what was the overall feeling around the league on the dislodged goal? Well, I mean, I have a couple of clips from guys who play for the Predators and Stamcoast and McCarron that don't necessarily agree with the decision. But watching it, it's just a really tough visual. I think that's what people maybe can't get by. Kudos to, was it Brunette, who's, you know, Johansson, who's, scored for playing it out but just like shoveling it into like nothing and having it count for

me is really like offensive to my hockey watching sensibilities like it's just there's no net it's an excellent point it just looks back it is it is just it's like yes I'll add to this and this was related to it the game before I'll show this one more time so the goal that goes I'm just going to give this a show that was so on purpose yeah and he talks it in and that's the it's like had he not if the net was on that defenseman would have kept playing yeah it's just really

but to Kim's point I like it being penal on the goaltender for trying to cheat he's cheating and really voiding an opportunity how does this count I don't know if if you want to really send a message to the goalies about doing this

you have to go to this extreme It will shut it down. It will. It will shut it down. And you know what else is related to this? Nashville's goaltender, if I'm not mistaken. The very game before, Kyle Connor, stole a puck, walked out of the corner, and their goalie threw the stick at the puck.

Cheater. Cheater. Missed. And then they gave Connor a penalty shot when they should have just given him a goal. Why do we even allow them to play? What a gorgeous movie made on that. Yeah, he shouldn't have had to. But yes, you're right.

Kick goal is out of the league. Yeah, put a board up. Perfect. Do you want to hear Stamco's? He's pretty eloquent on it. So let's listen to Stephen Stamco's thoughts on the, on the, this allowed goal. If we have that. If we have it.

Maybe not. No, no Stancoz? Yeah, Stamcox, sorry, yeah. The confusing part for us was why it was so emphatically called the goal. I get it. Listen, the net came off, you know, but if the puck goes in right away, no problem if the net's off. But he missed the net.

and the puck actually bounced back to him because the net was sideways and then hit the back and it popped back. So my interpretation of the rule is that, you know, if the net wasn't off, that puck wouldn't have came back to him to have an open net. It would have went behind the net and then the play would have been blown dead because the net was off. That's part of the punishment.

I understand the net came off. I don't think there was any intent from our goaltender to knock it off. That's a lie. Twice today. So, but just, I mean, from our vantage point, obviously going to differ from theirs, but we thought the puck came back to him on the second attempt because the net was off.

If not, the puck goes behind the net and we live to fight another day. So that's where we didn't agree with the call. This is alternate reality timelines, where it's also like maybe he doesn't miss the net if he doesn't see a moving net as he's shooting. I don't know. Michael McCann was less eloquent.

But you want to listen to McCarran? McCarran. Let's play McCarran. Yeah, I mean, do you just sliding over to make a save on the one T and the net clearly comes off? I don't know how the ref can stand there with a straight face and call it a goal. And then they call Toronto and they still decide to call it to goal. I mean, I'm downfoundant. I feel like we got screwed tonight.

I think it's a bad thing for Toronto in the NHL. I hate that Toronto has become synonymous with the league office. Like it has something to do with. Got Toronto. Yeah. But that horse is long gone here. It is like the way you refer to Washington. How's that any different than a ball being lodged in the outfield?

Oh my God, Kipper. It's all the same. I hadn't thought of that in 48 hours. Appreciate it. That's just a pass interference, video, blah, blah, blah. It's a mess. But it's there and it's not going anywhere. They're going to go to York in baseball.

It's not going anywhere. I thought Stamcoast made an interesting point. Of course, you know. there's a lot of things that we can say hey stammer no but including your goalie not doing it on purpose but it's that window of second opportunity of like okay so how long is the door open on imminent how long like if if if he's going to get a second chance which he did for whatever reason because you knocked it and that off how long does that last Yeah, is it unlimited?

I don't know. That's a cut off. That's a great play. But this is it. Could the net go sliding out to center ice and you still shoot it in? What's hooking, though? Is this a hook? Is this a hook?

Is this a hook? It's a hook. It's subjective. I don't know. Yeah, the ref does. And he called it right. This is what they don't know Joe loves. More gray area.

So what would blow the play down? Well, I think if he had missed that second opportunity or whatever, I think they'd have been like, all right, the net's off. We need to take a moment here. But if you're going to punish him, would it have been for sure unsports someone like conduct or delay a game? I don't know. Is that an automatic, though?

But I think once you knock that net off, you affect the initial opportunity. You know, like maybe O'Hansson sees a swinging net towards him, and that's why he shanks it. I just think this is my hot take. I think there has to be a net for it to score. Well, by that logic, though, by that logic. Shoot it in.

anytime you want you're like oh no they're near scoring we'll take a penalty instead two minutes for how many times did you trade a penalty for a time it's going to be a sure goal you do it all the time i don't know there's actually a great hl uh breakaway one of the best ever one of the goal and the goalie just says nope we're not doing this shoves the net off oh i remember that and then i think it's a penalty shot after that and he actually did get scored on i believe i just can't get over the visual i know it's stupid but i just it looks so bad yeah shouldn't count no goal buddy it's right up there post holes across the goal line it's not any more ridiculous now than three on three and

defensemen like doing circles and killing half a clock I'm sorry we need a buzzer for the sounder hobby horse that he hates I'm sorry but I'm like goalie's talking to the media I'm staying on it until they changed three on three. Okay we're

going to get this three on three sounder for when you bring it out. Yep. Boos. All right. Rangers? No. Florida. Okay. Okay. Because someone on the panel pick the Florida Panthers to win the third Stanley Cup.

J.B. Did I? Yeah. Sweet. That's a pretty good pick, to be honest. It's still a good pick. We know what the injuries have done to them. But Sam Bennett, I think, two goals in 13 games.

Carter Verhegey, slow start two. Sam Bennett in danger of playing his way off team Canada. Sam Bennett and Carter, I think, combined minus 14, I think. Sam Bennett threw 13 games It was four points and is a dash 8 Yeah So it's a slow start for Kahn Smythe Can I push my nerd glasses at my nose?

Yes Florida Panthers Underline numbers are pretty good Oh crap I was hoping there My Dark Horse team was St. Louis Blues and the internet's

Very helpful To remind me That it was the stupidest pick this season. Listen, took a shot. It's actually very funny. I wrote about how the Leafs were coming around

on like Monday and when they were down 3-0 on Twitter I had like three people write me and be like, idiot. I have to say that when we were talking about

a lease talk that's a great group chat confidential game. Oh yeah. Where after two periods if you're if you're publishing your group chats

across the country probably would have been some pretty hot takes about the lease. Yeah, you wouldn't be employed. Yeah. I think Florida is so confident that they there's some that probably believe that it's way too early to play well

it doesn't hurt them that the Atlantic Division is oatmeal I know it's just blah like the Atlantic Division okay they're in dead last in the Atlantic right now they go they went four in a row and they're you know right in the thick of things again um 6th in the league by expected goals uh percentage um expected by who And, like, I don't know, if that's a thing, I know. If Sam and Carter Hagey and I think Sam Reinhardt's, I think, minus six, too. He's got six goals, I think. But turns out Parkov's pretty important.

If they're, if they're struggling, Brad Marchand is not. That goal, he scored last time in the breakaway, his hands are, he's got most underrated hands of this generation of players, that cross-body. I like that take. Under the bar. Yeah. He's, he's filthy. He's also as dangerous one-on-one.

He'd like pulling it to the inside on somewhere. He's slipping it to the next right place. Brad Marchand leads a team with 13.7 goals. But if he's leading... He's going to be hard to take off the Olympic team if he can lead this group. It's a crazy concept because I just said could Sam Bennett play himself off the team?

And Sam said, yes. Brad Marchand seemed like the next guy off based on his usage. Sam Bennett needs to be really bad for a really long. time to play himself off. There is, he was awesome at the Four Nations. You got to remember, there's three or four guys that remember who set a tone for Canada in the first nine seconds. How about who scored against the U.S. to take it to overtime?

Half that team would love to see Sam Bennett play himself off that team. Totally. And they won't, I don't think Canada management will allow half their team to feel good about no Sam Bennett. But what's so crazy is, we see. get here and we had Nate Thompson and other people tell us Celebrating he's like a lock and whether he is or he is and he's close. You got Mark Schifley is the MVP of the

NHL this year. I like Mark Sheifle. He's on the team. Nick Suzuki's new Bergeron. I get it. Like he's big game Nick. So okay. There's only 25 man roster. Right. We need three players off the team from Four Nations face off. It's Kineckney. It's these Florida guys. It's Jarvis. Marks. Mark Stone. Yeah, I don't know. But there's There's a four or five guys. Yeah, Stone's banged up. His numbers are good when he plays.

He's a good player. If he's available, tough to say no to Mark Stone. I wonder who's the best ball hockey player is because they don't have ice there yet, so. Colin, who used to be really good out, Alex Burroughs is the best ball hockey player on Earth for a while. Is that a thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mark Stone has 13 points in six games. Is that good? Are you serious? 13 points in six games. Oh, my God. Yeah, maybe, maybe. If he's available, you might want them. Yeah.

Pittsburgh Penguins Jari Have three three guys on the IR Brazo Achari and Jari I think it's three weeks Yeah

Oh yeah Oh that's the beginning of the end They were going so well But as the Leafs And Sammy's stats proved It's very rare You blow a three goal lead In the third period

In regulation time here Yeah could that be the first sign of Pittsburgh plus the IRs to go all right boys I hope you enjoyed it it's what we thought it was going to be lovely story credit to Dan Mews hot start way to go catch you at the draft is sit available feels like I even had that thought kind of watching it when that game ended it 8 4 and 2 so far is this the beginning of the end for them now kind of top 5 easiest schedule did you say yeah Pittsburgh yeah they've had a very easy schedule just wanted to mention this quickly before we go

New York Rangers at home this season versus Pittsburgh zero goals versus Washington zero goals versus Edmonton zero goals versus Minnesota one goal versus San Jose was that eight five goals versus Carolina zero goals four shutouts I've never seen that four shutouts is crazy 100th year anniversary that I'm sorry but that's six bad six goals in six home games and five of them came in one game four four four shutouts at home is I mean, I know James Dolan is not notorious for reasonable

decisions, but this is one where I'd be furious. Mike Sullivan's got to be. They need a soccer net to score. That's brutal. Poor Valley. I don't think the Rangers are terrible. Like, I don't think their teams bad. I'll tell you what the problem is. They've got three guys. Miller,

Zabanajad, Panarin, up front. That's it. And then it can't be a guy? No, no. And then it drops. And it sinks like a stone when it comes to talent, like world-class talent.

Fox. Mid-H-L right now. Sell, sell, sell. Not enough on the back end, too. Panarin, look at the Leaf's top six. Panarin ain't going anywhere. No way. I don't think he wants to leave.

Okay. Our thanks to Nate Thompson this past hour and Cole Bagley from Utah. All right, boys. Coachwake, Wednesday, Ed Hockey, Leafs involved. Mammoth, Leaves. All right. The elephants.

Good job. We're back tomorrow on the Real Kippur and Bourne show. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.