Real Kyper & Bourne - Flyers Pressing the Reset Button

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne, and Sam McKee kick off the show with the news that Radko Gudas is expected to play in Game 3 of the Cup finals and how crucial he has been for an undermanned Panthers' blueline. They are joined by Mike Kelly from NHL Network to discuss Vegas’ defense, Adin Hill's offseason value and if the Leafs need a different style of players in the playoffs. Next up, Al Morganti from 94.1 WIP Philadelphia joins the show to give his take on the Flyers' three team deal yesterday, why they decided to move off of Ivan Provorov and the availability of Carter Hart. Finally, the guys wrap up the show with more talks on the PGA merging with LIV Golf and Rory Mcllroy's comments about it today.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates. 

This is Real Kipper and Born on Sportsnet 590 The Van. Ready to rock and roll in the next hour. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee, Derek Brandeo, Jen Rolnick. Jam-packed once again. Boys, I snuck in 18 holes before today's show, and I'm feeling really good. Anyone who watches on YouTube can tell, right? They're like, they see the attire. They're just like, me yesterday, the way I was dressed.

They're like, we know. And I had a legendary foursome today. Yeah. Not that my dentist is legendary, Stan Vasilaskos. Oh, he sounds a little Greek. Oh, yeah. Very Greek. Yeah. But Rod Black, of course, he sounds a little Greek. Oh, yeah. Very Greek. Yeah.

But Rod Black, of course, legendary sportscaster. Yeah. And Bruce Good from the Good Brothers, legendary musician. We even snuck in a few Gordon Lightfoot stories. Nice. Which I can't repeat. But the best part of today is my putting was on fire today you got you put the reps in and who took a picture today of you took the picture today which i loved it's it's got sammy in it

taking a full nine iron swing which full swing in the office now if if people are upstairs in the rogers office they're going okay that okay, that's an HR issue in itself. But then there was me putting on what you bought in October. Yes, a crucial part of our show. I'm trying to explain to the guys that I played with today, the reason why my putting's so good is because you spent $69.95 on Amazon. It's the Malcolm Gladwell 10,000-hour theory. You put in enough time, you get better. I don't know.

Glad to see it pay off for you, though. And the other thing that I got a kick out of the most is that Sammy put out the picture of him swinging and me putting and all anybody wants to talk about is how Sammy's legs look like piano sticks. I'm getting roasted for it. I'm getting skinny shamed.

You are. You're getting buried. Just yesterday I'm getting skinny shamed. You are. You're getting buried. Just yesterday, we had the Manoa conversation. We're careful with it. You're getting buried for the chicken legs. Listen, I'm proud of these stems. They're long.

They're lean. They're luxurious. They've carried me through this long in life. It's six foot five. It's tough to have. Yeah, would you rather be five six and have crappy legs

or six five and have luxurious legs? I'm surprised he doesn't tip over. There is nothing sturdy about those things. I'm guessing it's hard to take a hit with that center of gravity when you're built like a tower. Correct. Yeah. Anyways, I'm a little sensitive to people crushing my legs.

It is truly hilarious, though, because Kip's calves are the size of a turkey leg in medieval times. You can see those things from space. As someone once said, those aren't calves, those are cows. That's a great line. Has anybody ever seen Wayne Simmons' legs? He's got chicken legs, too, okay? We got Mike Kelly coming up in a few minutes.

We'll get some of the analytic numbers out in the first two games and we'll get his thoughts on is this thing over or not yeah it sounds like gudas is going to play for florida in game three which is a nice development for the panthers he's been a big part of their success guys he got pasted by Baryshev, though. The reverse hit there, eh? Eh, what goes around comes around. Yeah. You take a run at enough guys and people come to expect it, you're going to wear a couple back.

How would, I don't know, David Camp feel about Gutis? He enjoyed that moment. I know Sam thinks he's a bit of a phony since Aston Reese tried to fight Gutis and he wouldn't fight him. So, Sam, you probably enjoyed that. He's a fake tough guy. Fake tough guy. Oh, yeah.

Yes. Takes Ron. He's only six feet. But his toughness now is more than enough. Like in my era, that guy would have been bluffed right out. 100%. But because fighting is diminished so much, he actually can get away with being almost legit tough

without the fighting part. Yeah. If you hit JB like that consistently, I don't think you need the fighting. No, I think the Leafs in 82 games this year had something like 11 fights or something like that. It might have been 10 or 11 in that range. You know, so that goes, so once every eight games,

someone gets in a fight for him, you don't have to fight a lot. And I don't see too many guys challenging him constantly where it's the, if it gets to the point where you're turtling or you're just not looking a guy in the eye and it sends the bad vibe back to your bench then there's an issue to be had there yeah but it doesn't appear like he's getting challenged a ton because of the way he plays yeah no and he does he does provide something a little bit unique for that team so uh i'm glad he's back you want you want every team to be fully locked and loaded

um with their best players in the final. All right. In about 15 minutes, we're also going to welcome in Al Morganti, a co-host of WIP Morning Show in Philadelphia. He also does pre- and post-game for the Flyer Games. They pulled off a big trade. grade and you know the thing that struck me the most hearing about it yesterday was this stuff doesn't happen during a stanley cup final yeah was there now it does was there a time when like maybe the league didn't like it or said you couldn't do it or it just never seemed to happen i think in a perfect world they they'd rather not. Yeah. But if people need to do business. Yeah.

Their drafts a few weeks away, you got to make your moves. And it did come in through the window of a few days off where it's quiet. Yeah. So certainly they wouldn't have announced it on, I think, a day of a game. Right. All right, let's welcome in Mike Kelly, hockey analyst specializing in analytics with the NHL Network and SportLogic. Mike, what's going on?

It's been a while, man. Yeah, doing well, Kipper. Thank you. Not a lot, just waiting for games. I love the cup final, as I'm sure every hockey fan does, but you don't get the games every night. So, boy, do you do a lot of digging. Are you traveling or are you doing all your work from remote? I am remote.

I'm not at the cup final this year, which, you know, I was fortunate and happy to be there in Denver last year. But, man, would this have been a good one given the two cities we're talking about? I would have done a pro bono, fellas. Just get me the flights and hotels and I'll do it for free. Yeah. No, it sounds like people are having a good time in both cities. So that's pretty enviable for sure.

Maybe best that I'm not there then. Yeah, you know what know what a guy like me i should probably stay away from those places um your thoughts on you know where the series sits right now and the possibility of florida back in their home barn uh rallying and finding a way back into it it's an uphill battle that's for sure like vegas completely dominated that last game um and you know like for me they got to help themselves the panthers first of all like before you can even look at how do you react to what vegas is doing to you you got to help yourself and the amount of penalties they've taken at times they put themselves shorthanded um it's way too much and they're trying to to bait Vegas into this thing that's just not working. And they're getting frustrated.

So, like, I look at Bobrovsky and, you know, how much of it's on him. Well, he's been okay. He's obviously not been the superhuman goalie that he was in the last couple rounds. But, like, he's been beat four times on screenshots all right in two games he was beat five times on screenshots in the first three rounds so that's a big uptick well three of those screens have been by his own players so you got to help your goalie you got to be better defensively in front of him you got to stay out of the box and that then we're talking about you know vegas and how you can try to

counterattack what they're doing. So Mike, when you stare at the numbers and you mentioned a few things including Bobrovsky and if he plays better and gives up less goals high, we get all that. But was there signs in those first two

games where you saw the numbers and said, Florida, I don't think can overcome this? You know what? It's a funny thing is that the first game, Florida was right there with them at even strength. And it was tied, you know, 2-2 after the first two periods. But at even strength, I mean, it was just the penalties that really killed them. And things got away from them in the third just from a number standpoint of you know quality shots

um different chance types you know florida's actually producing more off the rush than vegas is um they're not getting blown out of the water i guess to the extent that you would maybe think given you know watching the games and seeing, you know, three or more goal differentials in both of them, some of that score effects and, and, you know, what have you, but there's definitely been stretches where, again, they put themselves on the box and they completely get out of any kind of rhythm. They're missing.

Like Matthew could shock has literally been in the penalty box more than he's been on the ice through two games. Like, it's one of your best players. So I don't think there's – it's like, well, Vegas is so insurmountable because they're doing this thing to Florida that Florida can't figure out. Florida's frustrated. And I go back to the West final where Dallas – like, remember,

they lost their marbles in game three. Jamie Batten on the cross check, and they're taking penalties. Like, Vegas frustrates the hell out of you. Cause you can't get inside on that defense and on that team. And you start to lose it a little bit. Dallas finally reacted, I think appropriately. And they won a couple of games, but it was too late by then. Cause they were down three, nothing.

I think Florida, that game has to happen for them in game three. Next game, as opposed to what Dallas was, which is game four. That's a really good point. You can see these teams just push, push, push, and that violent outburst does not seem to be the solution to Vegas. I did want to talk about one violent outburst, though. It was Jack Eichel getting hit by Kachuk. You're someone who, Kip mentioned numbers and stuff.

We've been having consmith conversations. That, to me, wasip mentioned numbers and stuff. We've been having Conn Smythe conversations. That to me was a pretty defining moment for Eichel in terms of just showing a willingness to take a hit, get back into it, and not shy away the next time out. I don't think he's at the top of people's Conn Smythe list at this point. Where does he sit for you? How has he

performed versus expectations in the playoffs? Man, he is at the top of my list list he is at the top of your list yeah like marshall's right there the guy's got 12 in his last 12 uh he's been great aiden hill is making a heck of a case he's been fantastic too look i'll put it this way if you had him at the top of your list i wouldn't disagree with you but i don't think there's a consensus number one right now. Because, again, it's not just the points and what he leads the team in points, doesn't he? Yeah, he does.

He did a game or two ago anyways. His overall impact in the game has been significant and meaningful. You know, we watched an empty net goal in game one. He's stripping a guy of the puck. He did that against Connor McDavid for an empty net goal in the Edmonton series. His impact in every zone has stood out. And it's been way better than it's been, you know,

with him in the past where it wasn't bad. It's just, he's taken it to another level. So to do that and still score as much as he has and show up in those big moments, like you talked about, I don't know how you couldn't have him right up there he's been he's been incredible for them and the funny thing like I'm watching that game and I was actually building a little video package that I was going to tweet out just on how good he is at protecting the puck and using his body to shield guys away and make

plays like it's kind of like dry sidle in a way when he does that. And then he gets blown up. So I'm like, eh, maybe the puck protection angle will wait another game. But yeah, no, he's been awesome. We're talking to Mike Kelly, hockey analyst and an analytic expert with the NHL Network and SportLogic. You mentioned Aiden Hill.

And we are talking about maybe one of the most successful small sample size in stanley cup history yeah and he's 27 years old he's going to be a ufa and someone mentioned to me that he's six six and i And I'm like, Oh my God, is he really like, that is a big goaltender. And I'm just wondering, Mike, where would he fit in the, in the equation of available goalies for you this summer? I think you have to be careful. I would say that. Like if I'm,

if I'm working in a front office and I'm, you know, in a role analytics role or preparing a report, advising, whatever I'd say, you have to be careful not to be, you know, blinded a little bit too much by a small sample.

And he's been great. Like I often talk with Vegas and other teams too. Wow. Did they ever help their goalie right by insulating them and not allowing a ton of quality chances. And that's true. On top of that, he has been great.

Every bit of accolades he's getting, he should be getting right now. But like you said, he's goalie in his mid to late twenties. It is a small sample. And if this turns into, okay, free agent, whether it's Vegas, you know, re-signing him or another team signs him,

and it's, you know, four or five years and whatever, four or five, like big contract, I'd be, I wouldn't do it. I'd be careful about that. I had a friend of mine who knows a lot about goaltending who texted me a round ago just saying, like, I know this guy's playing great, but technically I don't love him as a goalie. And, you know, who am I to say?

I'm certainly no goalie expert in that sense, but I'd be careful is all. And I hate kind of saying that because of how great he's been i don't want to take anything away from it it's just it is a small sample like you said mike what do you think about the idea that there are you know i turn it back to toronto here you know being a leaf show and thinking about some comments brad tree living has made since uh coming here about how you know guys that get you through the regular season and then there's guys in the playoffs who can help you get through there. A different style of player.

The Leafs have some decisions to make on guys. I think, you know, you got Michael Bunting's a UFA. David Kampf needs a new contract. You know, what do you think a priority for this Leafs team should be in signing their UFAs? Do you think it is a different style of player that they need in the playoffs? Or can they continue to kind of, you know, just get in again and then you never know what happens. Look,

that's a, it's a great question. I'm not a believer of just build kind of a really good regular season team. And eventually it'll be your time. There's certainly some evidence to support that. I do think that the game is quite different in the playoffs in certain areas that are meaningful and significant. It's funny you bring this up because I'm literally finishing a presentation I'm doing for an analytics conference in Sweden in a couple days

on part of it, on the differences between regular season and playoffs. There are things that change to a degree that I would say are meaningful that relate to giving the puck up, like not playing this pure puck possession game, having to battle for it, having to do kind of those gritty type things. But this is where, and I'm not a believer that the Leafs should run it back either.

I've never been a believer that they should, you know, run it back with the core four. I think there's too many gaps there. I guess my answer to your question would be, I think the blue line is what needs more work than anything else. And we'll see what kind of happens there. But, yeah, I believe that there are big differences in the playoffs. I don't think – I'll share a couple things with you.

So Tampa Bay, the year they got swept by Columbus, next year they win the cup, right? Florida wins the President's Trophy, gets abused by Tampa Bay in the second they got swept by Columbus, next year they win the cup, right? Florida wins the President's Trophy, gets abused by Tampa Bay in the second round, they can't score, and now they're in the cup final. There's several reasons, but commonalities there are, they went from pure, let's carry it out, carry it in, skill it up kind of type game,

to we need to give it up and mitigate risk and know how to get it back and it happened year over year like that so i think there's there is an element of that and this is where i got conflicted a bit because i look at guys like matthews and marner who have had trouble scoring and producing in big games big big moments, but they're really good at those things in general. So it's a tricky one. Mike, really appreciate your time as always on our show, man. Enjoy the rest of the Stanley Cup final. Thanks for doing this.

All right. Sounds good, fellas. Good to talk to you. Thanks, Mike. Mike Kelly. The hard thing for Brad Tree living now is there's so many things he can't address, which I include Michael Bunting, David Kempf. Like, those are important UFAs.

Those guys played 15, 16, 17 minutes a night. But how do you go to them and figure out if you want them back or what they're worth until you know what Austin's going to do? And how do you figure out Ryan O'Reilly? Hey, listen, you gave us up some assets for him. And in a perfect world, you'd like to probably have him back. I'd sure like to see him again. But how do you know that until you

know what Austin's numbers are? There's such a domino effect. Yeah. If Austin tomorrow says, I'm not signing long-term, I'm going to play out my option next year, and I'm Matthew signing long-term, I'm going to play out my option next year, and I'm Matthew Kachuk there, Brad, then all of a sudden the dynamic to sign Ryan O'Reilly changes, does it not?

I guess it becomes a higher priority is your point. Yes. And you have the money to do it. If you feel that that's who you want. Right, that would be the bigger question for me is like, is that what you want to do with the money? Is it, you know? Do you envision a world where Austin signs his deal, which many believe could be a three-year deal,

and feeling like Austin would be locked in a year from now, say it's 13. Yeah. And John's at 11. Yeah. And Ryan O'Reilly is at what? Like, think about it. 4.75? I don't know.

Okay. Yeah. Say that, 4.75. Yeah. That's still a heck of a lot of money for your top three. It is. 100% it is. Yeah.

That is the conundrum. But you've written about Tavares before, and that's just kind of the way you're stuck with that. You know, it's one of those things where you have to hope if he doesn't regress, if Tavares is the player he is this year, if he's the same guy next year it's not so bad you know 11 millions too much but it's not crippling if he takes any sort of step back you're in some trouble you know if he's not a meaningful point per game contributor and he's kind of one-dimensional for

your team it's real trouble so sammy i'm gonna bring you back in on this david camp you want him back uh it depends what price are you gonna let him walk depends what price oh is that 1.5 and he wants a raise yeah i mean i think you could find another david camp i don't i mean not that you can't find another david camp but i i really like him and i think he's an important part of this team because he eats up a lot of the dregs. Two and a half times four. Are we giving him 10 million for four years? David Kampf? So no, then.

No. Are you nuts? That's too much? Well, again. I think he was fifth or sixth in ice time among forwards. In some world, you think you're getting Austin and Tavares and Ryan O'Reilly. I can't go spend two and a half million on my fourth line center. What are you going to spend? You're going to spend one?

Who are you going to get? Pontus Holmberg. Pontus. Bring me Pontus. And he would be at eight. It's going to be an 875. Yeah, okay. You win. JB. Yeah, that's better. And I like Pontus. Bring me Pontus. And he would be at eight. It's going to be an 875. Yeah, okay, you win. JB.

Yeah, that's better. And I like Pontus. I don't know what happened there. I don't either. I got questions. I don't get grooming somebody from, say, November, December. What, he played 40 games? And then saying, you know what, we don't have a spot for you.

I don't get that. I'm going to make some calls. That was weird. Right? Like, it was really strange that he felt like a guy. He's 24 years old. He scored some goals. Yeah.

Okay, we're going to pick up on this conversation. But as promised, Al Morganti from WIP Morning Show in Philadelphia. Al, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it because, as I said earlier in our show prior to you coming on, man, we just don't see these type of deals happen during a Stanley Cup final, do we? No, you don't see it.

But you're used to not to see it in any sport. And, you know, NBA, six years higher, a coach in the middle of all this. It used to be a – I guess the entire world has lost its politeness. So it's whatever you need to do, do it right then. And this was a – it's a curious deal, but it's fascinating to me that an inexperienced front office could be involved in this kind of really intricate deal, especially at the flyer's end of it. So it was a hard deal to look at every aspect of it right away. You really had to dig in. And when you think about that, think about how you had to dig in

during the machinations of putting it together. So I give all the front offices, but especially here in Philadelphia, a brand-new front office with Jones and, well, of course, Danny Breer running the whole show. Really, I give them a lot of credit for coming up with a really interesting, fascinating, a bit risky, but something that was pretty dynamic for a new crew. Al, was that Proverov deal tied to the kerfuffle during pride and all that or was it just proverov not playing well and costing them a lot of money well ironically you really you look at his contract when you look at defenseman contract you know risk the line in here it's not that much no and but it really didn't have

anything to do with the uh the Pride Night thing, although that ruffled some feathers in a locker room, too. But overall, to be perfectly honest about it, it really didn't cause as much commotion here in Philly as was reported across the two nations here. No, it really wasn't. It was like, yeah, well, and you see what's happened in the two nations here. No, it really wasn't. It was like, yeah, well, and you see what's happened in the aftermath of it. You know, nobody wants to get political, but he really didn't come out as the bad guy, so to speak.

But the bad element of him was, despite all the minutes that he played, he just never progressed. And I will say, what happened with Provorov is what happened in the Flyers over the last few years. Their player development is and was a big problem because Sanheim hasn't developed the way people thought. Finally, Frost looks like he's coming along. And that was with Provorov.

Like, you know, doing the postgame so many years, when Provo was first here, it was like, wow, they've got their number one guy. But he never developed. He never gained a sense of pace in the game, time and score pace. And, you know, I give him full credit. Played hurt. Virtually never missed a game. Played unbelievable minutes. But mentally, at the end of games, never, virtually never missed a game, played unbelievable

minutes. But mentally at the end of games, I think he broke down a bit. And I think this past year, he was not a fan of the way the Flyers played. He wanted a more, a faster paced game, which would be very difficult with the skill level the Flyers have right now, missing Atkinson and Couturier, and the slowness of the game. I think he was frustrated by it. And I'm really curious to see what he does now with that coaching staff he's going to, the way that I think they're going to want to play as a defensive defenseman.

He really thinks he's got some offensive spurs. And I'm real curious to see how that's going to pan out. Just to revisit, the Flyers get the Blue Jackets first-round pick. They get the Kings second-round pick. They get a prospect, Cal Peterson, and a defenseman, Sean Walker. Yeah, they get the goalie. The goalie is going to cost them a lot of money, and that's the risk. But I'm looking at this going, this is Daniel Breer's first trade.

He's barely in a chair of a general manager full-time without the interim. And, Al, I'm sitting there going, home run, Daniel. Home run, buddy. Congratulations. And Keith Jones, president, nice job. Yeah, I think so. I really, the multi-levelness of it is really interesting. You have to go down a couple of years here.

I mean, right now, you're taking on some money. But in the future, you're getting the, you know, I guess the bottom line is they're willing to pay for the future, and you're taking on something. You get a fenceman that might fit in. D'Angelo, unless they can mend those fences, probably won't be here. So maybe you are getting a guy that's going to play this year and help you out. You took the, frankly, took the money for the goaltender,

and now leading to all kinds of, you know, speculation about the goalie here, Carter Hart. And so, I mean, I look, I really do. I applaud the depth of this deal and finding the absolute correct partners, whomever quarterbacked this whole thing. But I think it had to go through, the, had to be Philadelphia for willingness to take on and I guess maybe play a bit of the Arizona rule to come on and to get your future set up. And they're not messing around. And they also have the advantage here, guys,

the fan base is more than willing to have this. In fact, happy to have this. The only argument, the only downside to the fan base here is, what took you so long? Why didn't the organization do it a year earlier with all the prospects coming in this year's draft? So what does the transition look like in Philadelphia, from the old regime there to Keith Jones, Daniel Breer, John Tortorella is still there.

You know, what do we expect the future? How do we expect it to be different than the most recent past of the Flyers? Well, you have to be in the biggest difference. You'd have to be here in the city to have the to see the difference that's already here with with the face of the organization if you will um it's a court you know corporate owned comcast and but there was really no no face to it chuck fletcher kind of he didn't play well to a fan base i didn't think he did an awful job here i think he was hamstrung with some injuries here but he still never came across as the face of the franchise,

and he had to do the two roles, obviously. Already, I mean, Keith Jones has been on every station everywhere, and Danny's a likable guy and very open. I mean, who comes on a radio show just taking the chair as gm and and says yeah we're we're open to listening to uh office for our goaltender when your goaltender is maybe maybe one of the best in the world and say yeah we're open to that now you know that and that's something that's been missing here and they actually were a big story in philly to to have the presence that the flyers have had over the last month with the Sixers, as I mentioned, changing a coach and the Eagles obviously being the hottest team in the city and the Phillies going through their troubles. They just sort of disappeared. And already their likability is far, far superior.

And that's in the city. More important than that, hockey-wise, I think this trade shows you these guys, they have a plan. They think they have a way to execute it. And it's not going to be one step backward, then try to do two forward. They're going to go step by step. And the real bizarre part about this to me, and I said this almost every night on when I was doing a Flyers game this year, it was like John Tortorella spoke more like a general manager than any coach I'd ever seen. What coach leaves the bench, comes and watches upstairs with

the GM to see what direction they're going to be in the future? This really is one of the first times I've seen that. And you know, with Tortorella, you're not dealing with somebody that's oftentimes the easiest to get along with at times and agree with. But in this case here, he really, he talked more after games at times, like a GM than a coach, because he's so vested in this and coming in and with Danny from the beginning and obviously Jonesy. Al Morgani from WIP Morning Show in Philadelphia is joining us. Al, in terms of Carter Hart now, it wasn't too long ago we all had him as the next Carey Price, man, and it was just an incredible

future for the Philadelphia Flyers. It hasn't really ever hit that level on a real strong consistency, so are Flyer fans going to be okay if they see this guy walk out the door? I think they will, and I don't think they should be as much as they probably will be because of the rebuild. I think a lot of the storyline now is, well, what good is having a goaltender this good if the team's not going to contend?

Well, in my opinion, he's still very young and I think underrated, you know, when I, you know, I watch it, you know, every game do the post, do the, you know, between periods. And it's like, I don't think, I don't think he got credit for how good he was this year. He had a, he had a setback year where he kind of, you know, the Flyers was such a mess in front of him and he kind of, you know, he went, he just really, he really, he went squirrel a couple of nights because it was such a mess in front of him and he kind of you know he went he just really he really he went squirrel a couple of nights because it was such a mess in front of him but this past year he's really settled

down and I think had a far better year when you really looked at the games and look at what he was doing and I don't I don't get the sense from him that he wants out in any way. You talk to him a lot. He seems very content here. And, you know, goalies get a lot as free agents, but trades, they rarely do you get value. And, you know, there's that addendum with him with the whole situation with that, I guess it was the 18 junior team. You know, who knows what's to come of that?

Everybody's got a cloud over their head over that. So I think they'd be accepting of it, and I don't think they should be that accepting of it because I think he's that good. Well, interesting times away from a Stanley Cup final this time of year. Al, really appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us. No worries.

Thanks a lot, guys. Thanks so much. That's Al Morganti from The Morning Show in Philadelphia. Flyers are a fascinating team. I think the league needs a healthy Flyers team, so I'm rooting for them. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. Now, in terms of the Flyers, like I said, I thought Daniel Breer did great. And, yes, Al's right.

Just as long as you have ownership support that you're willing to eat like four and a half, five million dollars, you're getting a first rounder, you're getting a second rounder, and you are now getting your team in play to start building immediately. Like those are going to be good prospects, good sound

players that you could you could start envisioning a better team in two three four years well that's that's the wonder you know what is that time of the turnaround and if i'm keith jones and daniel briere i'm selling it on a timeline same as you mentioned there if you're john tortorella, you probably like it to be sooner than two, three, four, right?

Like we'd like to see the team start to get better next season. But yeah, it's, it's tough in that division. They, I think you have to acknowledge you're not going to win a cup next year and just be patient and let it come to you a little bit. You know,

that's the flyers. Yeah. Can someone that trade for the flyers? I love that trade by the flyers. Yes. Me too. Prover trade for the Flyers. What's that? Love that trade by the Flyers. Yes, me too. Yeah, Proverov's not helping. Well, no, but they're just doing that. They're doing the things that good rebuilds do.

Leafs did it here. When Lou first took over, taking on bad contracts to get assets, get picks, get young players. It's how you do it. You need to have ownership on board. And it seems like they've got a good chain of command going there now. Okay. Anyways. Can someone explain to me, then, like, what the hell is Columbus doing? Can someone explain that to me, ProVrov?

Like, what is going on here? Columbus, to me, is impatient. You know, they want to, and this is when you get in trouble, when you want to rush the rebuild. They finished last in the Eastern Conference this year, and they got some players there, whether it's Line A or Goudreau or the young cylinder there. D, they got Wierenski, and they got a few D that can play.

Where is the game plan? Well, that's a good question. So you go out and you get Johnny Goudreau. You don't get Babs to lose, by the way. You got Johnny Goudreau on a mammoth contract. And then by the end of the year, you're tanking for Conor Bedard. Yeah. So you want to be the worst in the league.

Yeah. Yep. And now you want to go get Provorov. Yep. Who has. Ready to turn it around. Two years. What's he have left on his contract?

Provorov. Two years. Two years. You think in two years that guy's resigning there? Well, when they turn it around and show you that they can win. They do have a lot of young D that people like. Yep. You know, Wierenski and Boquist and

David Juric or something. That guy is not staying. You don't think if they finish fifth. What did he make this year? I think almost $6 million. $6 million. About $5.5 million. What do you think he's going to want to stay in Columbus?

He wants a premium on that. He ain't signing for that he wants a big raise have they officially announced babs no they can't until i think his contract runs out with the leafs actually makes 4.725 for the next two years 4.725 is his contract. So, yeah. And what did Gavrikov sign? Two by six almost. Two by 5.8 something. Okay. I actually don't mind that with the short term.

Fantastic. Well, you don't mind it if you're LA. If you're Gavrikov, is this not a chance to get yourself a nice long? Yes. Like five times five or something? I will say I was stunned by the two years. It's a major bet on yourself type thing. If teams can sign these type of contracts

to two or three years... You can do it every time. Like, it's so... It'll be great. They're movable. You can trade them. Throw everyone an extra half a mil if they'll take a two-year deal.

And even Provorov. I bet you this time next year, he'll be on the trading block. Right? Because they're not going to be good enough. That's a fair point, too, though. They're not going to be that good. No, but it is a good point that they can, you know, hopefully flip him again and regain some of the assets they gave up.

But I really am of the belief that it's not good for your program to suck. And you need good players and you need these young players that you're trying to develop to be surrounded by guys who can make plays and move the puck. Yeah. Just note, though,

I think what you said on Proverhouse contract is because Philly's eating 30% of it. Yeah, they are eating money on it. They're eating money on it. 30%. But his total that he gets, I believe, is 4.7. No, I think it's higher than that. Is it?

Yeah, I don't think that includes the 30%. So he's going to want $7 or $8 million. I guarantee you. You're correct. He makes 6.75. And he's going to want to bump up. Now, if you're Columbus,umbus 6.75 for a guy who hasn't produced yes no chance i'm sorry where is he from they don't take pay cuts

okay okay uh milstein milstein's been doing work for him for sure and yes you can trade him and yes maybe it's even a first round the two million The Kings paid the $2 million, by the way. Sorry? The Kings paid the $2 million. Okay. Not the Flyers. Doesn't matter. It's all about the number.

Yeah. The other thing, yes, you can trade him this time next year and get a pick or a prospect, but isn't this the problem with Columbus is actually getting players to stay. It is. You want them in and out like that? Like it's a revolving door?

How are you going to build anything? Yeah. Well, I mean, but Kip, if you can't keep anyone unless you're good, you have to try to get good. You have to get good players. They don't need to be good. Yarmul will keep his job. Yeah, apparently in his perpetuity, he's just going to be good. Yarmulke will keep his job. Yeah, apparently in his perpetuity, he's just going to be employed.

When I saw that trade, and I just saw Provorov, and that's it, on a two-year deal left, the more I think about it, the more I like it. That's just a trade for Yarmulke to try to keep his job for another year. No, the more I like it. Why? Where? Tell me where. Because you're going to have an asset that's Provorov

who's making 4.7, who's actually worth 6.7. You're trading that's Provorov who's making 4.7, who's actually worth 6.7. So you're trading a cheap Provorov if you want to retain at the deadline. He's a first. He's going to be a valuable asset for them. And in the short term, you hopefully win a few more games and put a guy on the ice who can play. That decor is kids.

It's kids. I know Provorov is not exactly an old man, but they need some bodies. You got to have some players on your team. Yeah. That's fair. I actually believe that teams like Buffalo, what they did this past year, you got to take that step. The Devils took the step from the basement to the middle before they made a push.

You got to work your way back to that middle first, and I don't hate it. All right. There's pain coming. What was that? There's pain right. There's pain coming. What was that? There's pain coming. There's pain coming. Where's LA now on a goaltender? So Peterson's out, Quick's out.

Who's left there? Who's their goalie? Corpusalo. Right, right, right, right, right, right. Is he still under contract? No, he's available. He's UFA, is he not? Yes.

So Corposalo is UFA and Phoenix Copley makes 1.5 next year. So Copley. They're under pressure next year to win, aren't they? And take another step. Only problem is no one knows who's a good goalie. That's a bit of a limitation. So Copley was a 9.03 save percentage. But who do you give the money to

when aiden hill and alex lion just played in the cup final yeah you know do you want to go pay so i guess the big name out there is hellebuck right and actually you know what we should have talked about this before in terms of the leafs and remaking a core and a team and whatever that the winnipeg jets frank cerebelli had at a 60 a 60% chance that Wheeler, Shifley, Dubois, and Hellebuck are all traded by next season. Oh, my God. Now, Jason Greger has always disagreed. We've talked about this, Kipper, since literally last year.

I said a year and a half ago, Winnipeg will blow up. Right. And so this Hellebuck's name out is is a team like la then gonna want him want hellebuck is that a team there's a number of teams you feel like okay they're gonna go all in for a goalie here so he's ufa after next year hellebuck is yeah and hellebuck is eligible to resign july 1st and he might be the next $10 million goalie. I thought those days were over. Harry Price and Bobrovsky took their teams to the cup final with their $10 million deals.

Maybe they validated the contracts. I don't know. Caps going up. You don't win with a $10 million goalie Stanley Cups. You don't until you do. Hallie Buck, he has had some good seasons, but this year he was legitimately all world for the first half and then fell off a absolute cliff for the rest.

That was a big reason they were in first place. Look at Florida for the last four seasons. Florida Buck's only 30. Sorry, go ahead. I was just saying, that thing was drowning the Florida Panthers until it wasn't. Until it wasn't for six weeks. Hellebuck's last four seasons are 920, 910, 916, 922.

He's got a 913, 924. Like, he is as good a goalie. You can count on getting one of the league's best goalies. Or you could. No, but what's he going to want for a term? If'm him i term term term term he's got ottinger though so they're fine they do the waltinger eight i'd be comfortable at eight not ten how many years are you gonna give me eight for why he's five gonna want eight times eight know he is. I don't want to give anyone a contract until they're 38. He's 30.

Three times eight for Hallibuck is a horrifying contract. It's just the term. That would keep you up at night. I can't pay you that much money at 38. Like your goal that your hips could explode tomorrow. We need to go to break. Yeah, let's go. Okay, we'll go to a break and then play off picks after with Sammy,

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They're taking a week off between games. Your mic is off, Justin Bourne. So, but I'm looking ahead to tomorrow. Same game parlay, which I love doing and i think vegas is can continue to roll here this has got broom material written all over it to me okay vegas minus one and a half so they have to win by two marsh so goal and jack eichel over over a half point in the game. That pays plus 575, which to me, Eichel and Marcius have been dominant together. That's something that could very easily happen. Now, to go a little bit off the board.

Okay. I like that, by the way. I like that bet. Thank you. Tonight, the NBA finals gets kicked back up again, and I'm loving this final. NBA. I got anba pick for you you ready ready the nuggets uh absolutely love the nuggets tonight everyone's a little bit down

on them after they had a bad game against the heat a little same gamer for you yokich 10 assists jamal murray over 20 points and the nuggets to win is plus 225. All of those seem extremely attainable to me. I think the Nuggets roll big time tonight. What's that series at? It's 1-1. And I love in basketball, too, you get... Go ahead. No, you go ahead.

I was going to say, like, you get... The swing and payout is so different on the road, so you get the better team with getting the road done. You're getting value on the Nuggets tonight big time. Is there a chance that the NBA championship happens before the NHL? I think... And they start later than us.

Much later? I don't know about that. I'd have to do some... I don't know. Why is that happening? It could be this, like, a day apart. They used to finish... We used to finish way ahead of the NBA.

Not even close. Right? Yeah, it was way before but i guess with colvin and all the i don't see any reason why the nhl doesn't start up when kids go back to school like the others you know nfl kind of gets going like september the leaves are turning it's a college thing in the states what do you mean football is there yeah it's a tv thing i don't know i just think it's the summer's over we're getting into hockey by september why is puck drop uh drop october 13th i don't know give me september 20th why are we finishing like late june that's what i'm saying i shouldn't have pictures of my

co-workers swinging golf clubs in june in shorts while we're talking about the cup final and one more off the board for you like i said rbc canadian open this weekend uh i'll be attending thursday saturday sunday and like i said on other shows if you see me there come say hello buy me a beer i love beer but one of these years a canadian is going to win the canadian open it's just going to happen it's to law averages there's a ton of great players um adams fenson has had an excellent year so far this year this year he's been in a lot of top 10s a lot of top 20s played well in big tournaments he's at 66 to 1 to win the rbc canadian open if if you put 10 bucks on him you win 660 bucks it's a big nice bet for you. Give me a little Adam Svensson at the RBC Canadian Open this weekend.

Have we heard anything more today on Liv and PGA? I think this is far from a done deal. Rory spoke today on it. What did he say? He had a lot to say. Was he pissed? He kind of, honestly

He wore it, huh? he kind of admitted defeat on it oh he did it's not so much that he admitted defeat to me as he said here you go this is what he said okay rory on soddy money i've come to terms with it i've resigned myself to it this is what is going to happen it's very hard to keep up with people who have more money than everyone else that kind of sounds like admitting defeat yeah and he i watched it the guy looks yeah i watched it too devastated i would be furious with him i mean i'd be furious with uh like that commissioner monahan he did say that we need to have some conversations because they talked about players getting compensated for not going that's not happening

no to me i think It's too late. Hey, that ship sailed, buddy. To me, I think there's a world where, you know, five or six of the cop guys get a big payday where they're just like, here you go, here's... You know, it's just so rare for company to give my bad money, but if anyone would, it's this PIF. Yeah, there's just no way of recovering

that you took so many bullets for your pga group and they bailed on you i can't this jay monahan to drive jay monahan keeps his job no not a chance not a chance rory has every reason to say hey listen i can go i can move forward but i never want to see your face ever again and that was playoff picks presented by bet365 visit the app for the latest odds. I will not see you tomorrow. I will not see you tomorrow. I am at the Canadian Open. So, enjoy yourselves, fellas. Alright, just like that.

Al Morganti, thank you for coming on the show, and Mike Kelly. We are back again tomorrow, AJB. Let's do it. Me and you, baby. Bye, man. Real Kipper and Bourne. Thanks for joining us.