Real Kyper & Bourne - Getting Wild on the Weekend with Bill Guerin

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start the second hour with the Ottawa Senators and their cap troubles, the Avalanche extending Devon Toews for 7 years and if the Leafs missed the boat on trading William Nylander for a defenceman. They are joined by Minnesota Wild GM and president of hockey ops. Bill Guerin (16:05), who shares his thoughts on his side's comfortable goalie situation, losing Ryan Reaves and Kirill Kaprizov in position for a career season. Later, a discussion on media in the locker room after Braves' shortstop Orlando Arcia's critical comments were leaked to Bryce Harper and the Phillies' clubhouse. They close with your questions on the Text Line!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome back into the real kipper and born show we are live on sportsnet sportsnet 960 in calgary and sportsnet 650 in vancouver this hour of the real kipper and Bourne Show brought to you by Bet365. Just going to break, we briefly talked about the Ottawa Senators, a team that we expect to be in the hunt this year, if not make the Stanley Cup playoffs. And I think there's a few people out there that believe that this team could end up in a conference final. That's how much depth that they've accumulated

in the last few years, i.e. draft picks. A lot of them locked into friendly contracts. Right, but relax. And a new owner who we all know is just a great guy, a guy that will do everything he can to help this Ottawa Senators team win. But there are some issues there. Yeah. One of them is, dare I say it, a little mismanagement on their salary cap.

They were one of a few teams that opened up the season with 11 forwards yeah i mean they we went over this the other day on the show but they have 5.1 or 2 million in dead cap between buyouts and retained salary so that's not awesome all that comes off the book this year but still it's a sub ideal one of the issues going on right now, I think there's a couple. First of all, Josh Norris, who was inked to a long-term deal, suffering his season-ending shoulder injury last year, had surgery. The anticipation was that he would be ready by training camp and to start the season that isn't the case it just seems like between management and josh norris there seems to be

maybe a there doesn't seem to be a meeting of the minds of where he is right now and that sense that i'm getting is that they think he might be ready and it's just a matter of getting back on your horse and getting back in there and then there's josh norris still looking for answers on his shoulder yeah well that's a really tough situation too the contract that josh josh norris got like we look at these long-term deals that are given to good young players buffalo has been doing a lot of it and And we often go, I don't know. I often go, I love that risk for them. I love the possibility that they're going to get, you know, excess value.

They gave him so much money, Kip. They gave him $63 million on that last deal. Almost $8 million a season to Josh Norris, who 55 point career high and a couple injuries, right? So it's starting to feel a little bit nervous times, I guess, if you're a Sens fan. Like, just what's going on with the, you know, I guess the divide between the team and the player, considering he's under contract until 2030 as a contributor.

Yeah, and I really believe that at some point, something has to come out publicly a little bit. I think it's important for the Ottawa Senators right now to protect the player. And the player needs to protect the Ottawa Senators a little bit. They got to come to a resolution here. Because the longer this goes, the bigger of a chance it has to drive a wedge between them. And then sometimes we know in organizations, there's no looking back sometimes. Were you ever asked to play when you felt you weren't ready, injury-wise?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You played, I bet. Yeah. You heard it again? I had a knee injury. No washington there i had uh i i had a major knee surgery and i still had a lot of issues going on with the knee yeah and i made

the decision to go back and have staples removed out of my knee you did yeah yeah i mean it's so just in the minors having shattered my jaw and they're like you could put on a cage and get in there and go for us like playoffs are coming up and i was just you know for me i'm the minors what am i putting my head on the line for but i mean it's not a good situation when you feel like you're being leaned on and you know you're not ready yet yeah so so it again if if uh if josh norris right now is sitting there going you're not really helping me right now if you're telling or saying things that uh say that i should be on the ice right now and you're questioning me so we'll see how this thing plays out in the next few days if not uh you know uh early this week or yeah early this weekend like if you're a sense fan you should feel good that this guy is close, right? Like, it doesn't

sound like he's going to miss the year or something. Like, he's going to play hockey for them at some point here. The other one is the Shane Pinto guys. How is this guy not in the lineup here? We're not talking about a $5 or $10 million. $5 million.

See, to me, this was the biggest mistake of all. Tarasenko. Is5 million. See, to me, this was the biggest mistake of all. Tarasenko. Is that you go and you give Tarasenko $5 million and you don't put Shane Pinto as a top priority. He should have been signed before Tarasenko. And the window that you don't have to sign him means that you don't offer him $5 million.

You say, if you can go get $5 million anywhere else, go get it. Give him three. Give him three, three and a half. But don't give him five and then keep Shane Pinto out. I'm sure it was they thought he would go somewhere else, right? They were worried they were going to lose Tarasenko and they felt they could have both guys, I assume. Which, if that's the case, by the way, that I'm correct there, then you need to get aggressive in moving Joseph or whoever.

Where did you miss it? Where did you miss that you thought that you could have both of them done? Maybe they assumed they could lean on Pinto. Young guy, you know, they could say, you know, they could pressure him. And that's your point, right? Like, that's not the guy to mess with. The guy that you're going to have a long future future with they tried to sign him for a million dollars a year a million pretty good hockey player young guy scores 20 goals in the league you're getting

more than a million yes yeah and he's he's he should be part of that core yeah right yeah and probably now feels a little slighted by that i know the whole contract negotiations may not have made me crazy but were i not playing and i was ready and willing to play, I'm mad. So here's the other twist in all of this too, that every day that he's not signed, his cap hit gets worse. I know. Because it's prorated. So, I don't know, are you going to give the Nylander example?

Yes. So Willie Nylander signs for $6.9 million December 1st with the Toronto Maple Leafs. His AAV that year was over $10 million. It was $10.5 or something. Because it becomes a prorated salary. Like, he's making $6.9 for that portion of the season. That's crazy.

Yet another spectacular idea in the salary gap. But it's getting real hard now. It's going to get harder every week for Ottawa to squeeze this guy in. I've real hard now it's gonna get harder every week for ottawa to to squeeze this guy in i gotta do it today today who wants joseph no one no here's a pick philly wants yeah great yeah okay no it's not it what do you mean it's not yeah you gotta throw in a first round pick first to get rid of a good young player no No chance. First rounder? Go to your buddy Kyle Dubis. He threw a first rounder to get rid of a guy at the end of his career named Patrick Marleau.

He was making six, seven, five. It doesn't matter. No? It doesn't matter. If you're Philly, so the GM there now is Breer. I understand him angling for a first, but I want the player, Joseph. Like, if they can get a second with him, that's a great coup, isn't it? Not good enough? I'd doling for a first, but I want the player, Joseph. If they can get a second with him, that's a great coup, isn't it?

Not good enough? I'd do it for a second. I'm with you. But if you get a first, I understand your point. Go for the big one. By the way, if Dorian gives up a first to get rid of a good player, to bring in another player,

he can't. It's signing your own death warrant. You can't survive that. your own death warrant that's you can't survive that's not off to a great start i think if i mean if you're anlauer now and you got all this great energy and you've started it off by not putting a full lineup on game one it's not it doesn't bode well for him and he's eating popcorn beside ann lauer in the boot in the box looking at him going oh yeah elfie the return of daniel alfredson did they give him an official title yeah i think he's hockey man guy player manager of hockey developer man guy that's his official title which is whatever well that's you like, that's, the Leafs have been doing that. It's irrelevant. Yeah, Spets is here. He's there.

He's a hockey guy. He can do as little or as much as he wants moving forward. And if he loves it so much and makes great strides, I don't know, maybe there's a more significant role down the road. But this is a big moment for Sens fans because I think the fracture in the relationship between the Sens and Alfredson sucked. No, no, no, no. Let me rephrase that.

Well, I know. Eugene Melnick and Alfredson. For sure. But there was just, there was no relationship there with the franchise's, what, probably greatest player ever? Vince Carter and the Raptors for years, right? It's a crappy situation. So seeing the news of this

trickle on to twitter this morning like people are really excited about this like i i you know i'm coming home wow he is he is their favorite son yeah so yeah this is the one that maybe worry about getting points you look at that alumni in ottawa i mean it's growing yeah some recent players I mean there's there's some real fan favorites there they that that that community um is is strong I think with ex-players yeah there is I mean and it's going to be this is such a positive start for the Sens right that Claude Giroux comes home they get new ownership things really should be they should be being discussed in such a positive light because they're in such a positive spot right now so it is a shame that

they're not able to field their hockey club hopefully they get that sorted out hopefully albertson becomes a figurehead there and who knows in what capacity he'll want to be involved they're not just going to hand him the gm job like danny brayer got in philly are they like you need a little experience he's in a development coaching role yeah they'll go on the ice with the guys give pointers talk to the yeah here's players i like anywhere you can go to uh belleville yeah right yeah hang out with them for a little while it's like out to belvegas baby it reminds me of jerome mcginla who everyone kind of knows is going to be a guy in the nhl at some point whenever he wants to be like he's got a son i think playing hockey right and so it's like when those guys are ready lighting it up right here yeah is it tig is that his son's name

page page that's tage thompson i'm not sure yeah anyway uh how are we on the uh we're just waiting for we're waiting on uh bill okay uh you want to touch a little bit of uh colorado signing taves to a seven year 7, $7.25 million with the Avalanche. This is a guy, if I'm not mistaken, close to turning 30. Has he turned 30 yet?

Here's all I know as someone who follows the Islanders. They traded him when Lou Lamorello got there, I think for two second rounders. I don't remember exactly what it was. Yeah?

It was. Wasn't great return, and they anticipated that Noah Dobson was going to be able to step up and just fill those Taves shoes. Taves has become one of the NHL's, he's the number one guy who's probably playing in the three spot on that decor, but awesome player. You think that you don't like the length of the deal?

I just think that he was in a good place here with the window that Colorado has. Do they think that they will have overpaid in year six and seven? Yes, of course. But there are alternatives here. And one is you trade him. But will you get anything close to Taves and where his game is now and then you're looking for a prospect or a high pick and all you're doing is is closing the window for colorado to win a

stanley cup and nathan mckinnon i think there's a lot of teams who look at those back years and say we're trying to win now and we'll sort that out later you know that's future me's problem you know the other thing that uh stands out for me too is that there's some players like rasmus dalene who can negotiate with new money and then taves is in the kind of the old money range are you following following me on this? I am, but why is that? Why different ages? 100%, right? So what's the difference? Five years between the two? So he gets, Darlene gets to go to Buffalo and say that the cap's going up in two or three years.

And I want that new money. We want the new money. And you're getting the best of my player. You're getting him age 25, 6, 7. You're getting the best of his years when the money is high. And if you're Taves' agent, you're going, this is maybe not going to be his best years, but, you know. Could we still get paid, please? Now, Sammy, you compared the Taves contract

to anything that's happened in Toronto. I made a snarky comment. Yeah. I made a snarky comment. Yeah, you made a snarky comment. Say it on air then. If you've got the guts to say it upstairs, say it here. Yeah, I just... Yet another really great player taking a team-friendly contract for a long period of time.

Mitch will do it. Mitch will do it. I'm going to middle it so that I can hit it when the cap goes up. Did you hear any reports of that from Devon Taves? When you compare Austin Matthews on the free agent market, he may have taken even at a million. And listen, I can hear all the arguments. Robin Hood riding on his feet.

He's robbing the rich and giving to the poor. What a hero. 13 schmil. Never won anything here. He's won one round. I i get it but it still doesn't change the fact that he probably could have gotten more if he waited one year yes plenty more so all right but what can devin taza got on the open market i mean time mill by the way he's an interesting guy i don't think so he's no he's no no no no no no no no no no No, no, no, no. Is he on a shorter term deal maybe? Is he paying one of the best years?

If someone wanted to give him 40 times four, maybe. Yeah. I was thinking like that would have been an interesting Nylander trade. You know, like when he was expiring at the end of this year, Willie was, you know, both Colorado has such good D, the Leafs. It just seemed like a natural fit. Those guys, maybe Tate is not in Willie's class. Either way, that should be sailed.

Yeah, I think you're pretty close there. Like that type of player for Willie is if it's going to happen. You know, the only reason I bring this up is because Doug mentioned it in the previous hour saying, Doug's been trading Nylander for a D-man since I've known him. But so is Half Leaf Nation. Yeah. There's people listening right now going they

should and i don't know that i disagree and people take that as a slight to kneelander like we don't respect what he is he's amazing it's just it's a team if you're gonna do it in balance it's a summer they i think the ship on that sailed like i think it's really hard in the middle of a season where you're gonna be one of the better teams in the league to trade one of your best players. I read something today. Kipper, you don't look convinced. Someone talking about Nylander and, well,

if you let him walk at the end of the year, it's hard to replace guys like that, but not impossible, and you've got that cap space. Willie's making six anyway all right as promised uh the second hour we're going to bring in uh bill garren general manager but he's got a new fancy title as well president of hockey operations let's welcome in bill garren billy how are you bud i'm doing great fellas how are you're good. So did a lot more cash come with the title, or is it just strictly you got new business cards?

Just new business cards. New business cards. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, nice new title. Yeah, I think I just keep on doing what I'm doing. So in all seriousness, where's the change here? Now are you officially involved in goal

songs? Yeah, I think that's part of it is that I always have been. I mean, it's a very important thing. It's a very big decision. I want to be involved in all that stuff. Well, that's great.

I have to try the popcorn in the press box, too, to make sure it's buttered and salted properly. You're never going home. No, never. Well, it seems like you guys are off to a pretty good start this year. I wanted to ask you a little bit about uh your goaltender starts the season with a shutout um you know tell us about the decision to trade for him and how you guys feel positioned in the crease for for this season

uh well we i mean we feel good about this season i mean honestly with uh with the way gus played last year the way flower played last year, the way Flower played last year, we know what to expect from both of them. We're hoping Gus can repeat what he did from last year. He got off to a great start last

night. And you know, the whole trade just, you know, we just weren't seeing eye to eye with Cam Talbot, who's a good guy and a good goalie. And it just wasn't going the right direction. And, you know, I give our staff a lot of credit

because they had done some homework on younger goalies in the league because, you know, we thought there could be something like this or a time that we had to move on from an older goaltender. So when Ottawa made it clear that Gus was available, we just acted on it. And we didn't know he would be this good, but he's worked really hard and tried to improve his conditioning and his game.

And he had a great year last year. Like I said, got a nice new contract, and we're hoping he just continues to get better. Bill, is there a part of you, just a little tiny bit, that feels bad for fleecing Pierre Dorian at all? I mean... No, no, no. Not at all. Absolutely none.

Cam was good. Cam was good for them. Yeah, that's just. Not at all. Absolutely none. Cam was good. Cam was good for them. And, yeah, you know, that's just the way deals go. All right, so he doesn't hit the ignore button when he sees your call? No, no, not at all. We have a great relationship. You know, just one brief comment on Phillip

is that you did sign him to a short-term deal. And, you know, one of your comments was that, you know, he keeps going. He's going to hit the jackpot basically on his next one. And, you know, just the thought that Connor Hellebuck made a conscious decision not to hit the open market a year from now and uh ending up with 8.25 and just you know the the position in general and yeah it just seemed like the money would be easily flowed to the likes of proven guys like a carry price but is is the window dropping for for a lot of goaltenders to hit top dollar when it's such a volatile position um well yeah i mean it's it's definitely there's definitely more than one way to look at it i mean

because you you look at a guy like keller buck who's who's played amazing hockey in winnipeg but then you look at you know vegas uh wins the cup last year with Hill and he's not as, you know, proven or he's not a household name. So a lot of teams look at it much differently, but I just think when, when you have that guy, I mean that it's nice to have that guy. Like it's nice to have a Connor Hellebuck, you know, and we feel we've got two goalies that can kind of provide us a high-end play every night. And, you know, Flowers is a little older now,

and Phillips is kind of getting going. And, you know, we hope that he continues to get better. And, you know, yeah, it'll make it difficult on us, but, you know, that's the way it goes. That's the business. And, you know, we want our guys to way it goes that's the business and um you know we want our guys to have success and be happy with what they make billy i uh i want to get your thoughts on your experience with ryan reeves in minnesota he's a guy here in toronto making a lot

of noise what it was like having him there and did you guys want him back, you know, this offseason. Ryan who? Ryan Reeves. Have you heard of him? He's a fairly large individual. I've never heard of him. I've never heard of him. Everyone here has.

The big kid that wears a football number. I think you're remembering him. Yes, that's the guy. Oh, that kid. Yeah, I remember. I remember. I remember. You know what? He is.

He's one of my all time favorite guys. I just I think the world of Ryan. We wanted him back. You know, Brad, Brad backed up the Brinks truck for him and everything he wanted. So we weren't we just we couldn't handle that. But I'll tell you what, this market is extremely lucky to have a guy like that. He's a great teammate. The fans will love him. His teammates will love him.

Yeah, he's a good guy. He did a lot for us in his short time with Manny. Just in terms of big and strong guys, even without Ryan Reeves, your lineup, I look at it, and it's big. What are the biggest challenges for your lineup this season? Is it putting the puck in the net on a consistent basis here, Billy, and not maybe relying on 40 saves and a shutout every night? Oh, yeah.

I mean, that's definitely not the plan. You know, we'd like to get back to where we were a few years ago, five-on-five scoring, get that back up. You know, I think you can always improve on your special teams, especially with us. I think our coaches have done a really good job at focusing in on adjusting during games and things like that. But I think the biggest thing is making sure we're competing at a high level

every night because this league is so good. I mean, it's better than ever. It's so tight you can't take nights off. And I think if we do that, we'll give ourselves the best chance of making the playoffs and going from there. You know, you have one guy who does that exceptionally well in Kirill Kaprizov. If you see people picking Rocket Richard Contenders, he's a name that comes up. What is it that makes him unique as, he's, you know, if you see people picking Rocket Richard contenders, he's a name that comes up.

What is it that makes him unique as a guy that, you know, you've played with a lot of great goal scorers. What is it that makes him excel in that department? I think, you know, like kind of what I said before, it's Kirill's compete and willingness to play in traffic. I think he's, you know, he scores goals because he puts – I mean, obviously, he can shoot the puck like crazy, but he puts himself in great positions to get scoring opportunities.

And we recently named him one of our assistant captains, and that's because one of the big reasons is that he he goes out and puts it all out there every single night there's never an off night for him um his work ethic his compete levels are crazy and you know he he gets he gets rewarded for that uh billy i'm told that we gotta let you go are you in in Toronto this weekend? Wait, traded again? Are you here? Are you in Toronto for the game this weekend? Yes. Yep. Just got into the hotel.

Just talking to you guys. Probably have dinner tonight and then game tomorrow. All right. Well, listen, if you are looking for a new goal song, there's Sam Sam, the record man on Yonge Street. Okay, perfect. All right. I'll go.

I'll check it out. Okay. All right. Billy Guerin. Thanks, Bill. Minnesota Wild. Oh, wait a second. I've been told that Sam Sam, the record man,

went out of business 17 years ago. There's still record stores. The vinyl exists. All right. He's a record stores. Vinyl exists. He's a lot of fun. He is. My one NHL training camp, Bill Guerin was the captain of the Islanders when I was there. Electric personality.

Talk about trying to get all the guys involved. I remember before my first game, it was a mandatory two beers at the bar the night before for everyone. Preseason? That's leadership right there. That'll bring the boys together. He brought us credit card. Mandatory two.

What was that? Oh, yeah. Records are a big deal, Kip. Now. Collect your items. Oh, yeah. It's a hot, hot industry. Like, if you want to go buy,

because all new artists make albums now. Like, they put them out on vinyl. And, like, for example, Kid Cudi. Like, the gold song. Yes. It would probably cost you a cool 50 to buy one of those albums on vinyl 50 dollars like the quality better what am i missing here i think i mean not to do a music podcast to be npr here but like i think you don't own music anymore right like you have it on your phone you have spotify you have apple music or whatever you rent it every time yeah but like Like you have it on your phone, you have Spotify, you have Apple Music or whatever. You rent it every time you listen.

But like if you have vinyl, and I have a good collection of vinyl, it's like you own like a little piece of art, you have something to show for it. And clothes too, you got a lot of vinyl clothes. What do you mean vinyl clothes? No, I don't have vinyl clothes. I got a black one. Guys, I'm actually starting to panic about next week because I've worn all my shirts. I know.

I'm out of shirts. I'm out of shirts, boys. I got nothing left. There's a lot of pressure on you now. You're a camera guy now. I know. It's like I need some clothes. Anyone got clothes? Got some nice clothes?

Some hand-me-downs for me? We're about the same height. Yeah, I'll see what I can get you. All right, thanks, buddy. All right, so we need to go to break. I got some game time for you. Oh, let's go to game time. All right, it's game to game time. All right.

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you can bet on what the winning conference is going to be for the Stanley cup this year. Okay. Who do you think is the favorite? Well, Vegas won at colorado year before gotta be west it's not the east is the favorite the eastern conference is the favorite you can get the western conference at plus money plus 105 really yeah which i thought was interesting

because i because tampa boston toronto carolina new jersey but i leaned your way because i think the higher end of high teams is in the West. And you think about Dallas, I think that was Kipper's pick, right? Yeah. Yeah, like Dallas is really good. I feel like the West,

maybe a little more top heavy, but a better chance. I was leaning, until I just changed it up for Dallas, I was so leaning on Vegas to go back and win again. I can't, I don't think anyone at Sportsnet did.

Not one person. And they are the same hockey club that just won the Stanley Cup. And they looked so good on opening night. And then they thumped up San Jose as you should last night. I feel like that's going to happen a lot this year for Old San Jose. Right.

Just between Petrangelo and Stone, those are the type of guys and personalities that I would say one's just not enough for those guys. They've had a taste of it. Stone is so competitive. And they just want more. What did you make of him in the preseason when he got all mad?

Did you see that when he got mad at the guy that hit him? I did. And this comment. Yeah. Like, I'll never see him again. Yeah. You know. And he grabbed Brant Clark and there was a screenshot of Brant Clark like he was about to cry.

He was so scared. You know what I thought of when that happened? And I mean, I hate to bring it up because I love the guy. But when Bill Guerin slashed his teammate in training camp the one year, I think it was Brett Draney or something. Give him a two-hander. But it's like, do you know who I am? This is not. I get where.

You don't hit me. I'm a huge Stone fan. Absolutely. Love everything about him i just thought maybe that comment was just a little did you yeah i thought you would have liked it no no because i don't look at it through stone's eyes i look at it at a kid trying to make a name for himself and try to show and listen we're in so many rooms. Like the first thing you tell the rookies is don't show anybody any respect. Really? Yes. What?

Yes. I'm shocked to hear that from you. And it's not respect. It's not the respect. You know what the respect is? I don't challenge you. No, yeah. The respect where you cross the line on respect is if you cheap shot.

Yeah. But to go and hit a guy as hard as you can doesn't show him Mark Stone respect. And the respect he wants is I'm untouchable. Don't hit me. I'm Mark Stone. I just won the cup. Exactly. Yeah.

And it's like, no, young kid wanting to make a name for himself is going to go out there. And if I can recall, it was a good hit. It was. Clean hit. Shoulder to shoulder. But this is what makes Mark Stone Mark Stone. Yeah, listen, like I said, I love him. And I don't hold that comment against him.

But I'm just saying I'm looking at it from the prospect's eyes where he's trying to make a name for himself. He wants to get noticed. What do you want him to do? Yeah. Not finish a name for himself. He wants to get noticed. What do you want him to do? Yeah. Yeah. Not finish a check? Right.

But even though you're right, Stone doesn't have to go, great hit, son. I like what he said. Yeah, I mean. I'll just stop it. You were right. Last quick one. Pens and caps tonight, which is always great, I guess. Lars Eller playing against Mookie.

Well, I mean, but it's just like, it used to be the sexiest matchup on the calendar. Now it has a little less buzz, I guess. Lars Eller playing against Ovi. Well, I mean, but it's just like, it used to be the sexiest matchup on the calendar. Now it has a little less buzz, I would say. He's chasing history here. I am not into this team this year. Oh, yeah. By the way, sexy jersey. That's the one you wore, right?

It is. It's maybe not as nice as my UAA jersey, but it's beautiful. I call it the 2014 same game parlay. Sid and Ovi, they both score. And it pays almost five to one. Oh, wow. And that's it. No result on the game.

So both those guys score. And that's it. So that was Game Time presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at Bet365. Good job. Two of the biggest names in still in hockey and Sid and Connor Mc mcdavid not feeling much love after game one no like they they've already got a chip on their shoulders yeah yeah i i don't like i like the i like the oilers chances a lot more to have a good year than the pence the oilers get vancouver

again in their next game which is saturday night really yeah back to back to back to start the season they don't play again until the last day of the season probably. Just one more here. That loss was so bad for the Oilers. Is it just good enough to beat them by a goal? Or do they have to come out and hammer them? They need two points. With great goaltending.

They need two points. Yeah, great goaltending would go a long way. Who are they going to start? David Ayers next game i think that loss was so bad to vancouver that that they got to turn around and and beat them soundly you can see the canucks walking away from these two games you know winning one of the two and being like yeah we hung 13 on them or whatever you know you can see them taking a win away from it even if they lose the next game and it's close all right we got to take a quick break here on the real kipper inborn show we picked up on a conversation in the first hour that uh was around uh the baseball story yeah attaboy harper and we

want to pick up on uh you know what do we expect out of the media and players when they're in dressing rooms and locker rooms and where is the cutoff line on what can be used and what can't be used for material? That still to come on The Real Kipper and Bourne Show. We're back after these words. Everything you need to know about the Blue Jays, Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Alright, just a reminder, we love it when our watchers and listeners get involved on Off the Rails Friday. So, any questions? Anything at all? What do you got for us texas at 590 590 yes we'll get you on the show way more intelligent questions out there than what i can provide over two hours on a real kipper and born show so just before going to break uh

sammy just t us up one more time in terms of uh this baseball story that's turned into a little bit of a sports story and that is uh involving uh the braves and the phillies last night so how how far back do you want to go here because it happened you got to get the background game two of the nlds ended on an incredible play yeah i believe his name is michael harris maybe made an unbelievable catch against the wall and bryce harper had gone all the way around second base there's one out so michael harris gets it back in doubles up the guy at first base and the game's over game's over i was watching live it was an electrifying play baseball playoffs it's just the best anyways after that game media's in the clubhouse there's cameras rolling i don't think he's necessarily in a scrum but orlando

arcia could be heard yelling attaboy harper attaboy harper in reference to him screwing up the bases anyways jake mintz of fox sports reports this that he was saying this and it becomes a real rallying cry for the phillies and the next game at uh the the park in Philadelphia, which is a madhouse, Harper hits a massive he hits home runs to the moon. His home runs are the best in the league. And he stares down Arcia. It's a whole thing. The Braves are blaming the media

for this getting out. And it's a big conversation about what can be reported, what cannot be. It's been a referendum on sports media. Harper's lights out. Phillies win the series. Yes. And last night, he goes, I think he goes three for three with two walks again last night he's been unbelievable ever since he's unbelievable in general but yeah and they win the series last night three two or three one i believe and they're off to the nlcs to face off against the ross atkins built arizona diamondbacks gotcha, how do you feel about that getting reported?

First of all, I'm kind of shocked that it turned into that big of a story. Well, hold on now, because this happened in hockey. Did you not mention the one time that Thornton, Joe Thornton was talking to someone who scored four? Was it a hurdle? Yeah. And he said, if I scored four, I'd... I'd do something with my nether regions.

And it's one of the funniest things ever. And someone reported it, and it was controversial that it had been reported. To me, that's just a dumb thing to report. The Thornton one? The Thornton one. Okay. The Thornton one.

But it's not harmful to anyone. It's... No. First of all, would anybody be surprised that they're, first of all, joyous for a big win or they're taking a little bit of a run at Bryce Harper? I don't understand. It's not like he's reporting something completely offside.

No, he's not. I know where a cutoff line could be for media and what can be reported and what can't, in my opinion. Which is? Which is, you know, anything personal or anything even that isn't directly attributed to a conversation they're having with this person. And so how do you feel about Attaboy Harper? I don't think anybody should listen in on someone else's conversation and pick something up in the dressing room.

This is a guy that's yelling Attaboy Harper in a locker room full of reporters in a super tense National League division series between two rivals. Yeah. Like that is news. If I'm in that locker room, I'm doing

the exact same thing fox sports who reported it and then um there was a alana i forgot her name who she kind of killed him about it killed him um and now the the baseball writers association has like got his back and she's apologizing whatever i am of the mind that reporting on a sports event is not like you're on the ground of a war zone and you know everything is all you're just reporting what you see and hear and people need to know every bit of it to me you're asking the players for questions feedback what happened on that play whatever i don't i don't think it's terrible that he reported i'm with you on that but like it's just it's assumed that this was not meant to be, you know, something that

he wants out there. Completely disagree. But I understand why the public wants it all because it's interesting. It's context for how the team felt. So I get it. I just, maybe I feel like a former player who's like, not saying it for you. This is the perfect storm of you two guys being former players and me being like a quote unquote media guy.

No, it's useful that both sides represent it. I just hate the fact that he thinks he's like, I can say whatever I want when there's all these people here that their job is literally to report what we say. If I was only allowed one take on this whole conversation, it would be that the moment the door opens. Don't be a dummy. You don't want it reported.

And it's open to reporters, then the moment that door opens, the room ceases to be your room anymore. It's most on the player. I agree. It becomes a public domain. Bingo. Okay?

And here we are in this world where when we walk out the door, and sometimes when we don't even walk out the door, everything can be recorded and anything can get picked up, and you have to be responsible for your comments, whether you think you're being watched and heard or you don't. Don't send a DM or anything you don't want. It's all.

So that's it. Yeah. Can I sit there and say to any reporter you're an idiot you're offside you shouldn't have done that but you run the risk of once that door opens up that anything you do and say can be thrown out there well i wonder ultimately you have to be in control of not saying anything dumb or stupid yeah i wonder if maybe though that that comment if that reporter thinks it's interesting enough that it needs reporting on can't follow up and make that the reported story you go to the player and say you know get a quote on the play on what was obviously impactful that

you obviously feel so strongly about rather than i don't know what he did i think the way that like i mean i haven't been in a locker room to actually do this in a while. I used to do it when I first started here. But a lot of times nowadays, you don't even get to go up to a guy's locker. They're provided in an area of the room. But you can pick up a lot of conversations. But it's not like you go over to the other guy and you're like, hey, what did you say?

Let me write that down. Like, if he's yelling that while you're there, that is so onside to report. So onside. And like, the Braves are just big time. I know that you're right. The Braves are just big time chokers who are looking for something to blame anyway. So, and they lost to their bitter rival who is just way better in playoff baseball than them.

So that's what it comes down to. Yeah. to their bitter rival who is just way better in playoff baseball than them so that's what comes down to yeah and on occasion these mics have been up when they shouldn't have be up and come on i know yeah right now do you sit there and go yeah you shouldn't have had the you know you should just cut my mic off or blame somebody else, but ultimately you're dumb enough to say it. To roll the dice. And it's on you. At the end of the day, it'll always be on you. And what do they do?

I think that's consensus. It's on the player first. They ended up making t-shirts out of this, Sammy? Is that how big of a story it ended up? Barstool picked it up, and they make t-shirts out of a lot of different stuff. Yeah, and they break a lot of copyrights. Yeah, and they put, it was actually approved by the MLshirts that have a lot of different stuff. They break a lot of copyrights.

It was actually approved by the MLB. That's the biggest issue here. It said Attaboy Harper on it. Which, if I'm a Phillies fan, I am sprinting to purchase. I love that shirt. Oh my god, it'd be my favorite shirt. I might wear it on air because I don't have any shirts. So there's the biggest sore spot

is that I helped create all of this and I'm not getting a take on any of it that's right they should flip the what's his name arcia arcia i don't know he gets some money okay we got some texts i got the first text all right first things first nicholas kiprios is the hottest man alive second jason i know it's Bourne, but your shirt is stupid. Third, Morgan Rielly is the best sleeve. Shrug emoji. He was certainly in the playoffs.

I just loved it. No comment on me. Love it. And a guy that, Sammy, you refused to acknowledge that at 7.5, pretty friendly contract. I would not refuse to acknowledge that. I.5 pretty friendly contract i would not refuse to acknowledge that i think it's an excellent contract i hated him during the regular season last year but i had a referendum that i will not comment on his regular season struggles because of how good he's been in the playoffs the leafs he's been one of their best playoff players right you banned yourself

from regular season riley criticism do you guys want some... Okay, here we go. After last night's performances, have you changed your minds regarding the season outlook for the Rangers or the Sabres? Well, you watched that game pretty closely? Yeah, I did. Okay, that was men to boys a little bit.

I wasn't big time for the Sabres. Rangers looked strong. Fast, big. Fast and big. How about Lafreniere scoring the first goal of the season after we had valley on yesterday i know we just cooked the guy for we cooked him on his conversation it it's fair and that's the the the narrative all training camp long was he's not he's not showing what people have expected out of him up until this point as a first pick overall.

And with all due respect to his early goal, I just think that no matter what, he won't live up to that first pick overall billing. He can still be a good player and a serviceable player, and there's times when he could maybe post some decent numbers, but I don't think he'll ever live up to what you need to do to be a first overall pick, and that's be a franchise type of guy. Yeah, I just think it's so hard once you have that perception.

Like, if he was a up-and-coming guy who played in the American League last year and he came in now and he scored early and he's the size he is, you'd be so excited about him, right? Like, I feel like you could get that positive momentum but the weight of those expectations is just too much impossible first round have to be out of the gate and let's not forget look at jack hughes early you know wasn't lightening it up on fire uh and it's pretty darn good right now yeah and that's what people but even when he was. He'll be on the Hart ballot this year.

Even when. Probably regret that contract. Even when, oh, that, you know, that contract is the new Nathan McKinnon contract. Or dry sidle or all those ones. The thing is when he signed that, people said that. Like, I guess he just wanted some security. You know why they said that? Because at the just wanted some security why they they said that

because at the time he was coming off 30 plus points yeah so you didn't really know what you were getting for him it was insurance against but for new jersey smart because they hedged right and they got him on a on a friendly contract and today he'd be 12 kid never see 13 million play before or what? Couldn't bet on himself with a three- or a four-year deal or something? He would have jumped Austin Matthews on a long-term deal. That's how good he is. He's going to score 110 points this year.

He's a nasty player. But you take what you can get sometimes. And eight times eight at the time for a guy coming off 31 points was actually a hard to turn down 60 million yeah he's gonna make 64 million he's gonna cost himself 25 lafreniere now is a guy that still up until do you remember all the the jack eichel talk between the rangers and buffalo yeah and it i don't think the rangers it was ever you know a situation where they were contemplating it i don't think it ever got down to a meaty situation but you know back then i think it was just absolutely untouchable

for the Rangers to mess with that first pick overall or Lafreniere. He was like, no. Crazy. If you added, would you have tried to move Eichel for him now? Yeah, I think that might be a different story, to say the least. I'd love you guys to talk about the Klingberg signing with comparison to what Arizona signed Dumba for. Great comment. Leafs could have had Dumba say the least. I'd love you guys to talk about the Klingberg signing with comparison to what Arizona signed

Dumba for. Great comment. Leafs could have had Dumba for the money. Does the blue line look better from Paul and Vancouver? So Dumba, if you would have told me after watching... Vancouver texts about the Leafs. What'd Dumba get? 3-9. Oh, good. There's another one. I used Tarasenko

earlier in the show that Ottawa just had no reason to go give him $5 million. And I look at Klingberg, and I'm like, okay, you want to take a flyer on him? But you were so bad last year that I'll give you a three. If you can go get four somewhere else, go get four somewhere else.

The Leafs could have used that million. Like, I don't understand why you needed to go give them 4.1. Do you think, and then, right, was it the second day or the first day they gave that to him? Like, who's competing? When a guy like him gets 4.1,

presumably someone else has offered him four, right? Like, that's like... You assume. Yeah. I guess. And, you know, part of the appeal of Toronto point one presumably someone else has offered him for right like that's like you assume yeah i guess and i you know part of the appeal of toronto should be if it goes well here people are gonna know oh that is the number one reason right but you leverage that yeah so yeah you say okay they're gonna be four we'll give you three four but you don't get the attention that you'll get here if you have a successful year and then you're going to make it up when you sign your contract after having a good season dumb is an interesting one because

certainly that type of player would have been preferable for the leafs but he's been in pretty significant decline so and he went to arizona yes i can't imagine making that choice yes i will go to mullet arena yeah you'll get they'll probably trade him one year contract you assume the deadline you assume that leaves any offer outside of maybe san jose that would have come close to 390 would have taken it but i think sam's making a good point that you signed a one-year deal you're gonna be in the playoffs yeah you buy a draft pick and he's gonna get to go play for a playoff team guess what anaheim thought that they were doing that too with clean with clingberg what do they get for him out of minnesota i don't think anything they got a fourth i think yeah probably not what they a fourth for seven million

bucks for seven not great for seven million tell you what if you're the leafs and you're heading into playoffs at deadline and you like dumba more thanberg, you could probably attach an asset to Klingberg and make that work. Quickly, Borny, I love your shirt. The guns look good from Monica and Milton. Guns. My mom texting in. Guns. I see a couple of strings dangling from your shoulders.

I love it. Well, at least the shirt's interesting. So, first week in the new studio, boys. Yes. How are we feeling? Feeling good. It's still Tim and friends' home that we're borrowing, but it does feel comfortable.

Leafs Saturday night. How do you feel? Yeah, I'm fine. I'm like Austin that says, I didn't even notice the goal song. It's whatever. Just do the words. What do you got Saturday night?

Leafs, Minnesota Wild. Why is the first saturday night game this is wild it's gonna be a good physical challenge because they are big minnesota yeah and they uh and they work hard so we'll see where samsonov is after the weekend much lower scoring three two leafs win no idea all right just like that thanks for that we close out this week on the Real Kipper and Bourne show. Our thanks to Doug McClain in the first hour and Bill Guerin from the Minnesota Wild as they get set to face the Toronto Maple Leafs. Busy night on the network.

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