Real Kyper & Bourne - Headlines Ahead of the Draft with Frank Seravalli

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

Frank Seravalli joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to look ahead at what could be a chaotic next few days leading up to the draft (6:01). He gets into the latest on Mitch Marner, the Panthers' plan for Reinhart, the Red Wings' focus on the goalie market, what return the Jets are looking for in a McGroarty trade and Alex Meruelo walking away from Coyotes ownership. Later, they regroup with Sam McKee to discuss the elements surrounding a Leon Draisaitl extension and what it might look like. Finally, they dive deeper into the Leafs' options for Marner, Jeff Skinner's buy-out market and Guentzel landing spots.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

All right, let's get it going. Real Kipper and Bourne show as we transition out of on-ice hockey to off-ice. And it's going to be something here. So hold your breath. Let's go. I know. For the next week or so. Elliott said he thinks it could be, what do you say, a bonkers wild season, whatever.

Yeah, but keep in mind, Elliott hasn't slept in a long time. Yeah. Right. And also his perception of wild and bonkers. Maybe not the same as, I don't know. His appearance? Based on his appearance? Listen, he did the pink suit for game seven.

It was brought up today. Someone asked me about it today, and I said he likes to rock some colors. That's all. I nicknamed in the playoffs David Amber and Elliot Crockett and Tubbs. Who are they? Oh, my God. You guys are so young. Is it Miami Vice?

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah okay yeah okay never watched one episode catching a stray though to me i don't elliot tried to go elliot tried to go don johnson on us yeah i see that it's you know got the miami connection i like the idea for sure well wherever you are watching listening sports at 590 the fans sports at 650 in vancouver sports at 960 in calgary watching on sports at 360 and sport sports net plus get ready for still the fastest hour in hockey on our show nick kiprios justin bourne sammy mckee

derek brandeo jake the snake schultz as we try to cram in as much as we can through, correct me if I'm wrong, awards show tonight. Honestly, God, is there an awards show tonight? I think the awards is Thursday. Okay. I don't know. NBA drafts tonight. You're very in the lead here.

I already got a hole in one today. Congratulations, Varni. I did. Congratulations, Justin. No, who cares about the awards show? I will get to that. One, one. So great job preparing for our show today yes i was by golfing what hole number 11 scarborough golf country club yardage uh it was 112 it's a short three short three treacherous off the greens but he hands like a

surgeon at a hundred a little over a hundred it has been, I had one when I was 12, so it's been 29 years. So I'm very excited today. Wow. One bounce? Did it fly? You know, it sounds like I'm making this up, but I did bring it back. Over the pin. Wow.

Brought it back about 15 feet. Mr. Fancy Pants, eh? Sammy, you got one? No, I don't. I'll never get one. I've never even been close, really. Like, I've hit one to a couple feet. You're a great iron player. I've never hit one to a couple'll never get one I've never even been close really like I've hit one to a couple feet

you're a great iron player I've never hit one to a couple feet like I've never even been close you have one Kippy? I've got two what? yeah I got two

my first one was at Magna nice with Eric Lindros and Rob DeMaio in the group you would have thought I scored double overtime and the Big E

and Rob were like you you know, hugging. That cost you some money in the clubhouse or what? And Eric comes right down on my big toe. And it was bruised beyond belief. He's a light guy. That wouldn't hurt that bad. Oh, no, no. He was the very Big E at that time.

And what's the other one? Muskoka Lakes. Okay. what's the other one muskoka lakes okay with uh friends of mine alan cameron could you see them go in both of them yeah the one at muskoka lakes was actually better because it was 182 and it sits on a uh the t-box sits up high oh yeah looking down that's cool yeah that was another one that felt like double overtime yeah the first my one when i was 12 years old i couldn't see go it's up high. Oh, yeah. Looking down. That's cool. Yeah. That was another one that felt like double overtime. Yeah, the first, my one when I was 12 years old,

I couldn't see go in, so I didn't even know until we got out there. So this one was like, felt like the first one. Well, now I'm, got it this summer. I don't get to play much golf,

so maybe I'll, maybe I'll maybe get a chance to get a one at some point this year. You'll see a hundred par threes this summer. All right. Well, we're, we're glad everybody's

watching and listening. This hour of Real Kipper and Bourne is brought to you by Bet365. Outside of today, we're going to have Frank Cervelli join us in a few minutes to get all the scoops coming out of Vegas. Monday, we're going to be looking at free agency.

We're going to go how many hours? 12, 14? We are on from 12 Eastern to 3 Eastern. Three full hours of Real Kipper and Bourne, boys. I'm packed. You'll be in transition as well, but you will join us. Yep. I'll be in Kelowna, BC with the fam,

but I will be some zooming in, Skyping in. I don't know. Looking forward to it. Looking forward to it. So before we get to Frank, just quickly your thoughts on on some of the uh the visuals that we've seen out of florida uh in terms of the celebrations i mean you're fading sam you're trying to get me going here i'm not i was a good boy yesterday and i was gonna be a good

boy today i wasn't gonna break it up please please do not it's absurd they wouldn't even let the guys cross the road with the cup they're just they traffic. There's like nobody on the street. I didn't notice that. They're holding Lord Stanley's cup. And they won't even stop to let the guys cross the damn street. But they won't even stop to look at it. They didn't, one guy, they're like, oh, they're honking. One guy was like, get out of the way with that cup, honk.

So just a quick story before we get to Frank. Oh my God. I did have the cup on Fifth Avenue in New York. Wow. In a cab. And I purposely just asked the cab to let me out with the cup. And I just sat it on the curb. Were you with anyone?

I think I was with Brian Noonan. Yeah. And we're going to this, like, what's it called? Strip club. No, it wasn't a strip club. Oh. Anyways, we just just said what would happen if we just stopped and just hung out on the curb and it was like it stopped traffic on the fifth

avenue yeah it did well it didn't stop it on the old beach drive there a1a anyways good to frank i don't want to talk about this i'm just gonna get in trouble with another fan base all right no one is busier than those insiders and we got frank cervelli hockey insider president of hockey content daily face off joining us wow from lovely vegas rolling the dice baby frank how are you man i'm good guys i gotta tell you 113 degrees fahrenheit today i i just wasn't built for this no no no no no but i will tell you your hair is built for it pristine not not one out of place buddy i mean it's all i got so i i better take care okay so just paint paint us a visual here on you've done a number of these

coming off a stanley cup final is does this one feel different is it is there talk of it being different will it live up to it will it not live up to it what's your vibe going into the next few days well i think the draft specifically is going to be particularly chaotic i mean just talking to a number of teams this morning that are inside the top 10 they're all fishing for information what do you know who's going to go to who's going to go three and they're all trying to jockey for position really to see what happens after that i don't think it's a stretch this year despite what the public favorites are despite what everyone thinks is

going to happen that this you know really could be the most topsy-turvy top 10 that we've had in a long time because everyone kind of views this board a little bit differently so that's one part of the week the trades the buyouts the qualifying offers that's all a totally different part of it and also interrelated so oddly enough I mean famous last words something might happen while I'm talking to you guys but in talking to a bunch of teams this morning they were kind of remarking about how how quiet it is at this exact period in time as everyone's already kind of gotten to Vegas and settled in yeah we're fascinated like everyone else waiting to see

what happens just get to the the big fish conversation here. Being in Toronto, Mitch Marner is a name that, you know, rumored to maybe be possibly maybe. You know what I mean? Are you hearing anything on the Mitch Marner front? Listen, he started. Frank, you've been really solid on this in terms of your belief and where the Marner story is heading.

Has anything changed? Can you elaborate on your feelings on marner yeah it's not even so much my feelings it's just good old school reporting yeah um i truly believe that the toronto maple leaves will do everything in their power over the next it's not even just a week this is another aside in talking to a bunch of teams whether it's trevor ziegris whether it's the goalie front there's a lot of things that may wait well past free agency opening on july 1 to happen and the marner situation could certainly be part of that as well but i I firmly believe that the Toronto Maple Leafs are going to do everything in their power to make something happen and move him. Now, whether he decides to play ball with that, whether there is a team that steps up and is actually willing to

pay the price that they deem appropriate for one of the top 15 players in the world, those are two different discussions. But are the Toronto Maple Leafs open to it are they looking to try and make it happen is this how they're going to try and manage the asset I believe the answer to all three of those questions is yes and how aggressive will tree living be in terms of pushing Marner well I think there's a bunch of different puzzle pieces that he's trying to move around the board right it's not just mitch marner in a vacuum it's how do we improve and upgrade our defense score what are we doing with our goaltending situation and obviously joe wall's likely to be part of it for the long haul but who's going to play in tandem with him this upcoming season

if we trade mitch marner what does the rest of our forward core look like who could we get our hands on either in trade or free agency so it's not just one thing that's off to the side what you do with that one part of it has everything to do with how you build the rest of your team which is why this is not really a simple transaction to say nothing of the fact that Mitch Marner holds all the cards here. So in terms of teams interested and potential return, this is, I guess, what you're talking about, where the top 10, there's the potential for big trades, right?

You know, first over, first round picks moving. What is out there on the other side of things for the leafs for a guy who would need to sign a pretty big deal you would think if you were to accept a trade it's it's hard to say right like i can think of a whole list of six eight ten teams where mitch m would make sense, where they should have a ton of interest. And part of it is looking at their situation right now. And part of it is also trying to think four steps down the line. Like I'll give you a great example and not to say that this is certainly

something that's going to happen, but let's look at the Florida Panther situation. Those guys are celebrating and hoisting the Stanley Cup, and I heard what you're talking about, dragging it into the Atlantic Ocean, but their management team is on the way out to Vegas here to take part in the draft, and they're not focused on the draft, but their big focus this week is Sam Reinhardt. So Sam Reinhardt scores the game-winning goal

in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup final. Is he a guy that they're going to step up and pay because they've been in talks with him for for months? Now, does winning the cup make it easier to potentially say goodbye and have him walk in free agency? Are you willing to pony up the money? And let's say you don't. Let's say you say, you know what, gonna let sam reinhardt walk we don't want to pay him more than alexander barkov or pick whoever it is on your cap table that you want to draw the hard line on do you then potentially pivot and do something different and say hey toronto i'd be interested in in getting my hands on a mitch marner i think that's just one hypothetical to give you an example of there's like six dominoes here that are potential to fall in order to try and make something like that happen that we still don't really have a solid view of what the entire board looks like at this moment in time.

We're talking to Frank Cervelli, hockey insider, president of hockey content for Daily Faceoff. daily face-off uh just in terms of where agents go and whether it's marner or reinhardt how much will play into state tax cost of living does does it eight and a half make it a lot of sense for reinhardt to stay in florida compared to maybe 10 in toronto like is there a lot of talk going on about checks and balances in that, in that avenue? Kipper, I know it's a big talking point. I know that people spend a lot of time focusing on it and I'm not saying that it's not a real thing. Of course it is when you ultimately get to what the net amount of money is that's going

in your pocket. But if it were really that simple, and if you were really to take a look at it and say, Hey, Sam Reinhart, we'll give were really to take a look at it and say, hey, Sam Reinhart will give you in Florida eight years times nine and a half million dollars. By the way, I think that's already been on the table and it's been there for months. He hasn't signed it. And he's looking for north of that is my understanding, even though the equivalent of that in Toronto or somewhere else would actually be north of 12 million a year. It's just not that simple. So I do think it matters. I also think at the same time, in some ways, part of it's overblown. I think when you get to talking, and both of you guys

will understand when I say this, when you get to talking about fit and overall dollars, and I think, in fact, a great example of this is Philip Peronic, who signed that big $58 million deal in Vancouver last week. One of the big things is you get into that sphere of money and you're talking about that much, a little bit here or there isn't going to really change your life and it's easy for us kind of mere mortals to say that because you know if someone said hey will you leave two million bucks on the table i mean that's that's life-changing money for sure but when you get paid that much i tend to think that guys probably don't want to mess with happy and especially if you're a guy like sam reinhardt and you have a chance to go to a third straight stanley cup final next year maybe that's a differentiator or maybe

you look at it and you say i already won here we might win again and that'd be great but i'm gonna take the extra five million dollars or six million dollars somewhere else because that means something to me everyone's in a different spot for sure so what heading into the draft what picks could you see being available what teams might be willing to move off of picks given you know the value of a first round pick but at the same time some teams want to get better now yeah so i think in this draft in particular i'll give you a few just right off the hop um you've got columbus at four you've got ottawa at seven i think there's a couple other teams flirting in the 9 10 11 range that would

consider but it all depends on what the board looks like like let's put yourself in columbus's spot and this is a pure hypothetical but let's say the draft board comes out and it is Celebrini one, Lev Shunov two, and then someone else because Padver Beak does whatever Padver Beak does in Anaheim. And you're Columbus and you're saying, hey, well, we were thinking about moving off of this pick, but we might get a potential superstar in Demidov. We're going to keep it like there's there's a lot in flux right now. And that's sort of some of the chatter that we're hearing out here in Vegas to start and kick off after week is that almost everything's on the table.

And those teams that are further down at nine or 10 or 11 and are trying to potentially move up, they want to see how the board breaks too, because they may want to try and get their hands on someone like Demidov. They may see more value in him than another player. So there's also a bunch of teams uh justin in the late first round that i think have accumulated extra picks uh by moving off of players on their roster and are now closer to win now mode meaning hey it's time to giddy up and compete i look look at the Buffalo Sabres. I look at the Ottawa Senators.

I look at potentially another team, the Detroit Red Wings. I think they're going to be incredibly active. They're in on the goalie front and John Gibson. They're looking to improve their defense core. These are all teams that have assets that it's go time, sitting back and waiting and say,

hey, we're going to be patient and allow this to continue to develop as you reach years five six and seven and you begin to think about do we need to rebuild the rebuild that becomes incredibly problematic for general managers and owners you mentioned the goalie front a lot was sorted out with mark strum and all mark in ottawa and you just mentioned gibson how much of a demand is out there for him, and what would a team like Detroit be willing to either give up or commit to him? I'm told the goalie market as a whole is, for the most part, pretty quiet,

but there's definitely some smoke, and I would even argue potentially some fire with the idea of the Ducks and Red Wings getting together on that Gibson deal. What are they willing to give up? I'm not certain. The Ducks had been asking for the last number of years a pretty high price because they feel he's one of the top goalies in the league. And as the goalie market has kind of readjusted a little bit and the cap's gone up, that cap hit isn't so onerous.

The term has obviously gone down over the last few years to make it more palatable. And I think in the end, it's no secret here. I reported this last summer and summers beyond. John Gibson is open to a change of scenery. So a lot of things are aligning. But I talked to another team this morning who's trying to move a goalie and they said right now with some of the free agents that are pending lauren brisois is going to be a big one um that they're sitting back saying i don't

there's only maybe two three four teams at the most that are looking for goalies i don't know that we really need to go crazy and trade for a guy when we might be able to get the same out of someone that we get out of free agency and it might even cost us less three more years left on gibson's contract at 6.4 so you assume that anaheim would have to eat a little bit of that i wonder where that leaves uh billy husso yeah billy husso what about sebastian cosa who's a big part of the red wings future uh former edmonton oil king what about alex lion i mean there's a lot going on in detroit this week as you see steve eisman begin to move money around trading that jake wallman deal that actually really surprised a few gm saying hey i don't know that it would have cost a second round pick if you

had moved wallman to me so uh we've got a lot of stuff to still get to it's a busy week um what what are you hearing about the winnipeg jets and the name that you would want to say with a peanut butter sandwich in your mouth rick mcgrory what um what's going on there what could they get back for him highly sought after player um had a tremendous year at michigan felt that he really wanted and needed to stay another year. I don't think that made the Jets all that comfortable. And I also think the fact that one of Rutger McGordy's closest friends is Cutter Gauthier. I think that makes people a lot, or I should say plenty nervous, given the way that Cutter Gauthier extracted himself from the Flyers.

And certainly something to keep in mind, with his prospect status at this point, they're going to be looking for a commensurate value in return, considering what they think he is and is trending to be. Like you're talking first round pick plus, and a good first round pick at that in order for the jets to consider moving him and it's um it's a tough spot for winnipeg they go out and draft him they get a player they really like they tried hard to convince him to turn pro and become a

winnipeg jet that hasn't happened to this point and now they might have to pivot and go in a different direction i'm sorry like for for Winnipeg jets fans out there, Frank, what exactly happened? They want to trade him. He wants to be traded. What happened here? Why,

why wouldn't they just sign them eventually and, and get them, get them in their lineup or put them in the minors? Well, I think part of it is the fact that when you step back on campus for your junior year and you finish that season, that at the other part of it is the fact that when you step back on campus for your junior year and you finish that season, that at the other end of it, you're only one more year away from total unrestricted free agency and you can call your shot. It hasn't been made exactly clear.

Has he signaled to the Jets that he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg? Or is this the Jets trying to be proactive and act on? Good question. No, I get the sense that something happened between the two, and either he wants to no longer be a Winnipeg Jet, or, you know, to your point, maybe Winnipeg seeing what's out there for him, but my sense is that something happened,

ticked him off. He wanted to be a Winnipeg Jet. He no longer wants to be a Winnipeg Jet. Was it because they didn't sign him right away, put him in the lineup right away? They wanted to. They've been trying to sign him forever. But my understanding is he was also told that there wasn't any room for him

in the lineup right now. Jets were pretty damn deep this year. I think you'd be understanding. No? Similar but different with Cutter Gauthier, right? He wanted to turn pro. The Flyers said, hey, look, it's not that we're against you turning pro. We're just a mess right now,

and we're not going to drop you into this lineup just to do it. And that sent off a chain of events that has him as an anaheim duck now which is happening maybe it's just happening a lot more with these ncaa guys obviously it's not an issue with chl players but different rules right the ability to go back to school and not turn pro and then get one step closer to ufa maybe down the road that's a total personal aside but that's why i see college hockey as you know adding to one of the premier ways to go about your pro hockey career is it's a great path and lots of options some some teams in in uh in the league a little ticked off they didn't draft mishkov who's coming now he's ready he's coming what's going on some teams kicking

themselves i i don't think so i mean part of it is they opt they see the obvious talent and let's let's be fair there's still a couple um truths to nhl scouting teams still scout with a tape measure is one not saying that's related to mitch koff but we see smaller guys fall all the time in the draft and teams regardless of whether it's fair or not still scout based on passport and nationality um the russian factor has always been a thing in the nhl it's you know really since the test of time and they weren't sure what to think. Would they be able to get their hands on him?

How long would it take Kirill Kaprizov and how long that took to get him over to the NHL? Think about it from the Minnesota Wild perspective. It was seven years after they drafted him. They had three different general managers in that span do you really want to spend a top five top seven overall pick on a player that you might not actually see come to fruition in the nhl i get teams bypassing on him but if you've got the faith and trust that you can make something happen as the flyers did and by the way tremendous job by danny briere uh i'm sure as a former caa client himself, helping navigate the player to an agency that could get him extracted. No,

really well done. And that that's a big gift for them. A couple more and then we'll, we'll let you go here. Last one. Well, maybe not last one, but I just have so much to ask you so much.

So when did the Arizona coyotes get sold to Wiley coyote? Like what is this guy? Just, they keep getting hit by anvils. And what is, do they exist? Will they exist? We saw Gary Bettman and Alex Morello at a press conference together.

And now it's like, what happened, Frank? I think this is an incredibly brilliant piece of business by the NHL. They were able to get what was the only true remaining problem franchise out of its city. They left open the possibility to return. And we know that they will ultimately depending, not depending on, I should say, as indicated by the faith that they've shown in that market. And they really wanted to get away from that owner,

but they couldn't really do it without saying it or by saying it because he still owned the team and was really resistant to doing so. So they work out this convoluted transaction that I think ultimately in the league's heart of hearts, they knew that he wouldn't be able to pull off getting a building of that magnitude built in the proper area and it was only really a matter of time the fact that it happened to this point before the actual the land auction itself wasn't scheduled to be conducted until tomorrow the fact that they didn't even make it to that point i just kind of laugh at the coverage that's existed since then um which is he's relinquishing

control control of what there's no team they're gone they play in utah now and i think for not just the betterment of the nhl but also for the betterment of the future of hockey in arizona is that they say goodbye to this guy once and for all and never, ever look back. I know there wasn't a lot of fans in Arizona, but there was enough where you feel bad for some of the people that were very loyal. Yes. Okay, very loyal.

But I think they will have a team again. I think it's just, it ain't with this guy, right? And they're better off. The players that go there will be better off eventually. It's a great market. I really believe that. Tell your boy that's going to buy Ottawa. Get working on it here.

They're off. Yep. All right. Anything else for Frank? Do we talk to Leon Drysaddle quick? Do we talk about that yet? What's going on? Are you going to re-s july 1st for 8 times 14

i i've always been of the belief that leon dry cycle is going to remain with the oilers for the long term i'm not even necessarily sold that it gets to 14 i think he's got some questions to answer to get answered i think the oilers have some about their own puzzle that they're putting together and whether it's on july 1st or beyond i've never really had much doubt but you never know all right all right plenty to look forward to july 1st frank always a pleasure man thanks for coming on the show sharing your insights get that yardo margarita to keep you cool on the streets out there. I was just going to say, I'm just glad to be inside.

So whatever, you guys can keep me however long you want. Thanks, Frank. Oh, he's gone already. We sat a couple nights together at the blackjack table. With Frank? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's not that good at blackjack.

You get a card. There's a way to play. It's math. There's nothing that's more intimidating to me than a blackjack table. As a guy who doesn't really know. Yeah. You don't want to be the guy that people are like, come on. I'm like, I'm not splitting anything.

I'm splitting out of this table. I'm gone. You're giving me a splitting headache. That's what you're giving me at the table. I've just been around my degenerate buddies in Elfman. A guy's like, that's my car. That should have been my car. I'm like, I cannot be in that situation.

I don't know enough. Yeah. And that number for Leon Drysaddle, north of 14. North of. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I'm not convinced it needs to get done this summer. You talked about him and Connor sharing a number.

If he's going to take 14 of it, is Connor going to take 16? Are they going to get 30? That number is light for me. Yeah. Okay, that number should be between the two of them equaling 34. Wow. Yeah. So, you guys, this is some on-the-fly producing. I haven't told anyone other than Derek this,

but I got a clip of him talking about his contract today at the immediate, at their locker clean-out, which has, I mean, we get sour about the first- their locker clean out which has i mean we get sour about the first round locker clean out day i can't imagine losing in game seven of the stanley cup final locker clean out day but do you want to hear him addressing his uh his contract situation i don't see a kipper's clip no i just i happened it happened right now i was that's producing on twitter and i sent it to derrick and derrick recorded for me and i didn't even tell poor jake the snake so he's not even. I am so proud of you right now.

It's the first time for everything. All right, let's play it. I don't have an answer to that for you. Obviously, I haven't had any time to really think about it. It wasn't on my mind a lot lately. So it's just something that, you know, it's going to take a little bit of time, um, to, to figure out what, what I want, what, um, you know, what the Oilers want, what, what,

what everyone wants. Um, and then go from there and figure, figure something out. And sorry, is it, is it Edmonton first and then you'll view whatever happens down the road after that or is it is it open i mean edmonton has the only chance to to uh to sign me so i guess they are first yeah but um yeah we'll we'll see again i'll i'll leave it at that um obviously i i love being an oiler more than anything um so yeah i'll leave it at that like the oiler more than anything. I'll leave it at that. Like the first part more than the second part. The only thing you didn't mention was everyone.

What works for Connor too. There's not a snowball's chance in hell he resigns without knowing that 97 is staying. Of course. It's actually why Dreisaitl probably doesn't re-sign until he knows, until Conor's... Why not just negotiate together? So Conor can't re-sign until next July 1st. That's right. And that's when he becomes a UFA,

and it doesn't really matter. Maybe Leon signs in, like, after next season, before July 1st, knowing connor's gonna resign after that's a dangerous game it's it's not dangerous because you heard him say no no no no no no listen it's not dangerous because number one you know that he wants to be there he just said it and i believe him so as long as connor's on board as long as we come to a number then the rangers aren't coming in la's not coming in toronto's not coming in you got to have faith in the fact that this guy wants to be here and if you hit his number we're good yeah i so there

feels like a corner stand you shouldn't there should be zero anxiety that you're leaving a window for him to leave. It would be really fun if the reverse pipeline started opening up, like Dreisaitl and McDavid started coming to Toronto after all the Oilers guys went to. Oh, the Leafs guys went to Edmonton. I'd really like that. The reverse pipeline opening up would be great. The problem that comes with that, as you just witnessed with Nylander,

is you got to put up with the crap, you know? Yeah. And the crap is rumors and social media coming out. Why are you so pissy? And getting every practice. Every practice. It's the number one question. No, but Leon is the most direct individual in the NHL in interviews.

And he would just say, stop asking. I'm not doing this. I think Leon, more than anyone, could really handle it. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. I got no problem with Leon. I'm just talking about all the other Yahoo's out there. Yeah, we would all write our articles and whatever.

They wouldn't mean anything. He's not signing July 1st, Monday. He's going to go on vacation like all the rest of them do. He also is smart not to, Kip, because he'll get to see the cap go up. Like, we knew the cap figure when? February of this year?

We knew what the next year's was going to be? Like, he'll get to see, okay, it's up to 95 next year, or whatever it is, 93.5. Yeah, and I do believe that they'll be together. They're're gonna make sure that they're together they they together they work well together they're they're buddies oh they're competitive right i want to win yeah and maybe it's in their favor that uh there's still a

a carrot being dangled called the stanley cup they need to get yeah do you i mean this is a completely a hypothetical situation but do you think it's a different conversation we're having if they win that game seven about him staying i feel like it's just as likely he stays if they win yeah i don't know i don't know like have you then accomplished your goal and you feel less committed to like i got you guys yours and now i can go to sample something else maybe i don't know i don't know about that one i feel like that's how i would feel you're like all right drafted me i'd like to live in florida bigger issue the bigger issue now is that in two years like bouchard's gonna want want 10 plus. And if... How good was his playoff? Do you keep Darnell Nurse

at 925 or is it 95? I mean, what else do you do? But you lose Nurse. You trade him. Who's going to take that? You got to eat half the money. Okay, for the record, every time I've

heard you say, who's going to take that or it's untradeable, Pierre-Luc Dubois finds a way. Did I ever say it was untradeable? No, I'm just saying. What I'm saying is every time I hear someone say

it's untradeable, there's somebody that can find somebody to take something. A team who's trying to turn the page and just get good. You want good players. You got Capspace. You're Anaheim. You're Chicago.

You're San Jose. Like, you'd be like, yeah. Darnell Mills had a good bounce. He had a good bounce back in the final. And, like, his plus minus went up. Maybe he's worth six. He's not worth two. Isn't there a Sault Ste.

Marie connection somewhere out there waiting for him? Dubas. Dubas. Loves him. Dubas. What's Carlson's contract? Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh.. Dubas. Loves him. Dubas. Okay, where's Carlson's contract at? Pittsburgh. Loves him.

Yeah, it's a good call. Good call. It's a great call. Yeah. I'm making the call that we need to go to break. Oh, we should go to break. Oh, yeah, we got to go to break. Oh, we're just starting to have some fun.

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before you do a betting segment and I noticed that they have the futures up for next year's Stanley Cup Please play responsibly. Now is checking out on Bet365 as you do before you do a betting segment. And I noticed that they have the futures up for next year's Stanley Cup. Oh, boy, already? Didn't take long. Don't even know the rosters yet. Who is the favorite? Florida. Oilers.

Oilers are the favorite. 7-1. Really? They are the favorites at 7-1. Who do you think the second favorite is? Florida. No. Come on.

Yeah, well, Florida's tied for second favorite. There's three teams at 9-1. Dallas, Carolina, and Florida. And then it goes Colorado, New Jersey, 10-1. Rangers, 12-1. And the Leafs are 15-1 tied at the Vancouver Canucks, one point ahead of the Vegas Golden Knights. Leafs will start 4-1 next year,

and they'll jump right to the top. Oh, yeah. The Leafs don't start 4-1. You were saying? That never happens. Yeah, and so I'm just quickly looking at the Atlantic Division winner. The Panthers are the favorites at plus 180.

Leafs' second favorite's plus 333. Boston, plus 450. Tampa, plus 600. Red Wings, Ottawa Senators, Buffalo Sabres, and Montreal Canadiens all bringing up the old rear there. And look at the Oilers. The Oilers, since they are the favorite to win the Stanley Cup, they are also the favorite to win the Pacific Division next year,

which I think is hilarious. This is all the most absurd things to look at right now. Each team knows seven players who are going to be there. Yeah, it's true. Like, the Leafs have how many people on their roster at the moment? But yeah,

so I thought that was funny. A couple long shot flyers. And I just went to their specials, the NHL specials category because sometimes they put up interesting things in here.

One thing that they have up, which I find very interesting, Stephen Stamko's team on October 4th, 2024, I guess that's the first day of the season, the Lightning are the favorite at minus 400. The Detroit Red Wings at plus 800.

Nashville at plus 800. And the next favorite, your Toronto Maple Leafs at 10 to 1. So there you go. That doesn't even make sense. No? No. Care to discuss? Leafs 10 to 1?

Worth a bet for Stephen Stamko's team to start the year next year? Canadian Tire guy going to take another shot? It depends. Is Mitch here? Yeah. If not, someone's going to score some goals. We're going to go back to maybe a Mitch conversation, but I don't see a world where he's not

starting here. There's just no room for Stamkos. So, yeah, anyways, thought I'd say bring that up. Well, we're going to finish it up here. I actually hit a bet yesterday so I got a million tweets about Canada and first goal of Jonathan David.

Thank you so much for everybody reaching out and telling me that I won one because I exclusively lost for six months. So I really appreciate the shout out anyway that was game time presented by beth 365 is that the app for latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at beth 365 must be 19 plus ontario only please play responsibly so we just had frank on and frank kind of gave his take on what he thinks with the marner thing and he kind of feels like

it's you know they're aggressive and try to see what happens next what what are you hearing what's your i don't you know and i know frank's one of the best guys out there in terms of you know his information but i can only tell you what i hear and i i don't get that same sense that they are aggressive at all in trying to figure out the Mitch Marner situation. I don't think there's a sense that there's a pressing need to do it. That's not to say that they're not open or welcome in discussions. But for this thing to really work, the Leafs cannot be the aggressors. You cannot negotiate from any strength if you are the aggressor.

I tell you I really want something that you have. That puts you at a tremendous advantage. And I think that they'll welcome in conversations, and if they ever get to a point where they need to go back to Mitch Marner's agent or Mitch Marner's family or Mitch Marner's family or whatever whoever makes the ultimate or Mitch then they've got something to talk about but that isn't the case and you know the other the other factor in for especially Bradtree living there's a ton of pressure on him to make sure that the Leafs are amongst the top teams in the Atlantic.

Like, where are you going to find another 100-point guy? Where are you going to find a guy that can kill penalties like he can? Like, you still need him until you replace him. So that may, you may need to have him to start October and November, get off to a good start. Craig Berube's made it abundantly clear to Maple Leaf management, I want to coach that guy. I want to, I'd love to have him for the whole season.

Really? Oh, yeah. Craig Berube loves him. Bet as much as you can on Marner playing this season, full season for the Leafs. Yeah. If that's out there. Probably.

The other rumblings out there, and again, I have no basis on anything definitive, is that there is a little bit of a narrative, and we heard it, I think, first from Biznasty, if I'm not mistaken that they want to resign them or they're in talks to resign them i know nothing of that but is there is there a theory out there that if you're the leafs again why wouldn't you try to explore an extension that may not hurt you and protect a hundred point asset at the same time so is there something out there that he would entertain why wouldn't you

look at mitch marner on a say four-year deal at 11 and a half or 12 million dollars would you what would you think of that sammy i don't know i don't know i i find this this conversation really hard because i've really never been more stuck in the middle of it like i'm the worst guy to talk about this i'm a fence sitter on this i i think i get off of it i think he's really good and i think it's terrifying to trade him. But I also think if you come back with all four of these guys and very similar, and the only difference is a couple new D-men and the coach, that the temperature around this team

and the vitriol around this team is going to be really bad, and it's not necessarily a very good market for it. That's how I feel. My point is all of this. I see both sides. And I'm playing from the Leaf angle here. Is that I'm still open to looking and exploring everything with this guy. Instead of being stuck in my ways that he's got to go.

I don't think you can be stuck in your ways that he has to go. I agree with that perspective. This is what it came down to after the last postseason is, did you decide enough is enough and I can't watch this anymore and we can't do it? Or, I'm just saying, if that's what someone has decided, then they need to act on that. If you're making a pragmatic decision, I feel two ways about this.

If I, as a host of a radio show for the Toronto Maple Leafs in Toronto, I want them to trade him because it's entertainment, it's content, it's fun, it's something different, something new to talk about for the love of God, don't argue with you for another year. If I were the general manager, I wouldn't trade him in a million years. I would give him your four-year, 11 1⁄2 today. And I'm not saying he'll take it right because personally i wouldn't take it right but what isn't doesn't he love playing with

math matthews does he want to align his contract the same way that dry sidle and mcdavid would want to align their contracts or maybe he doesn't like playing with maddie's i don't know i don't know the guys but it feels like they have a pretty good chemistry together and their buds i don't know well again if you're the leafs and yeah, you may consider selling it that way, Sammy. Yeah. I'm the GM. To your point about how do you get better when you trade him?

You don't. It's just so hard to see. You're not better. You're different. That's what you're hoping for. Are you that much better after? What else are you adding when you do it? There's so many what-ifs to the scenario.

Just look at the D-Corp that just won the stanley cup right they had the best decor wins well no but like i say all of that kulikov and mikola and these guys are good players but it's like it's your point i don't know is that gonna be different it's just to me winning the stanley cup is so damn hard and all we talk about is trading all these guys. It's like, I have no clue. Vlad, Forsling, Montour. Very good. Very good. Yeah.

Your worst D is who? I don't know. I guess Ekman-Larsen. Ekman-Larsen or Mikolo. Who was on their top power play unit in game seven. Yeah. You know, like. I don't know.

That's a pretty deep six. I don't know. Jeff Skinner. He's available. On the market. Yeah. July 1st. I'm happy for Jeff. I want him to go play for a hockey

team i want to play with the leaves back to buffalo i want him to make the playoffs i want to play for the leafs i like you i do i just i had a lower a little lower than nine million obviously but i like jeff skinner i think he's a good i think there's going to be a number of takers for jeff skinner he's more 30 last year when's the last time he scored 30 to me it's a little crazy for how bad that buyout is to get scored 30? To me, it's a little crazy for how bad that buyout is to get rid of him. Like,

I know it's nine million bucks, but you're going to be eating dead money here forever, aren't you? Like, does cat family still exist? It's remarkable

to see the names that have left the Buffalo Sabres and now Stanley Cup. So last year, not this, not 23, 24, but 22 24 but 22 23 no he had uh 35 goals and 82 points that's and then so this past season he had 24 goals and 46

points pretty steep drop in total points there but you know he's not that far removed from score 35 33 the year before screams Screams Carolina to me. Just because you wasn't there for eight years, you probably just have that in your head. Yeah, maybe, but it just feels like a buy-low guy that's just go there and be good. If they lose out on Jake Gensel, Carolina,

then I think it would be an easier... Where's Gensel going? UFA's hilarious. Is Jake Gensel with the 60th best player in the league? He's going to get so much money. Gensel going? UFA's hilarious. Is Jake Gensel with the 60th best player in the league? Oh, he's going to get so much money. Gensel I think is I think it's between Vancouver and Carolina

is the sense that I'm getting, but there could be somebody else. Vancouver, it's hard for them to make that work. You know, like they don't have a ton of space and they got some big contracts. Yeah, but Lindholm's not coming back. And what was he? So Lindholm's not coming back?

I don't get the sense that he is. And if you're going after Jake Gensel, you got to use his money to get Gensel. Yeah. Part of it. I love Gensel. Gensel's a, he's a, as the kids say, he's a dog. You watch him in the playoffs, he was good for them in the playoffs.

He's got a nose to the net. I really like Gensel a lot. Be good for Vancouver. They could get him. See, even the Leafs would have interest in Gensel if they move Marner. Yeah. I think. For sure.

With Matthews. Yep. But I mean, you're not better. Well, he might be playoff better. Gensel, his points per game go up. He's really good in the playoffs, for sure. But anyways, I don't know. So tomorrow, can we say who we have tomorrow?

Yeah, I think we have John Cooper tomorrow. John Cooper. John Cooper has been named the head coach. Scheduled to be joined by John Cooper tomorrow. Yes, of Canada. For season. At the Four Nations face-off. Face-off.

Whatever. And the Olympics. When is that again? Next All-Star break. Yeah. Next All-Star break. We can all watch it from Punta Cana. We have to tell our bosses we're doing that.

Okay. Fabro, Punta Cana. We're not doing shows during that, are we? We've decided that. No one knows that, though. No, no, no, no. Golf trip, boys. Fabs, we will not be on golf trip for a real kipper and

board just somebody out there texas the scores i'm gonna watch oh yeah oh yeah all right i'm into it okay first first six players watch from somewhere else first six players being named at the end of the month. My six players are McKinnon, McDavid, Crosby, Marchand, McCarr, and Drew Doughty. My six. Drew Doughty and Marchand. Yep. You've got to do the veterans, and those guys have been Canadian stalwarts.

Can we just have a bit of a summer before we start thinking about that, please? Buddy, we're going to talk about this. You guys will be on the golf course after our show is done. I won't be. I'll be here. Our congratulations to Justin Bourne, who's hit his second hole in one today.

That is the major story. Congrats, brother. In hockey today. Thanks, guys. Congrats. Happy way to show today so we can celebrate it. Our thanks to Frank Cervelli out of Vegas. All right.

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