Real Kyper & Bourne - Hometown Hockey Heroes with Ken Reid

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee are joined by Sportsnet’s Ken Reid to open the second hour. They chat about Ken’s new book ‘Hometown Hockey Heroes,’ the stylistic shift in hockey, what makes a forward line great, and his favourite story among the Canadian teams. They close out the show by going over Michael Andlauer’s fiery press conference, the somber state of the Calgary Flames, and some news and notes from around the NHL.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome back in to the tim mccallough studio here at sportsnet someone that knows this studio real well is about to join us but first and foremost we are live on sports and sports at 650 in vancouver and sports at 960 in calgary and this hour as always brought to you by bet 365 kent reed should we switch seats because i'm not comfortable talking to you as the host on this side that's fun i'm looking for my trophy I can't find my trophy in here anywhere. Rumor is it's in the wardrobe room. I don't know. Do you not know when you hit a certain age, you throw them out?

Yeah, but you've won actual trophies, right? When you win the Pictou Golf and Country Club Juvenile Championship, and it's one of the gross, baby. I'm not saying how big the field was. You hang on to that thing. You do, right? Yeah, yeah yeah bring back those floods of memories you're so much cooler than i i have a picto golf and country club juvenile championship trophy you have a mini stanley cop probably you probably don't even know where that is like you know that that's much better than what i have yeah no no no it's i know exactly what it is yeah well i don't know where the juvenile championship is it's not lost well

we appreciate you joining us today and i don't know where the juvenile championship is. It's not lost. Well, we appreciate you joining us today. I don't know if I can face this to the camera. We wanted to start by saying congratulations on Hometown Hockey Heroes. Beautiful book here. And super excited to read it. Just before we came on, we were talking about basically what is it? What is it? Book number two.

Before we get into that, book number two. Your first one was on the hockey cards. Book seven, which is why Stephen Brunt was like his best book yet. Come on. A few fell by the wayside. So Stephen Brunt on the front says the first six sucked, but this one's the best one yet? He said his best book yet.

Like it's climbing. All right. Climbing. By the way, if you guys, for people watching on TV or listening on the radio, growing up if they said, I'm going to watch three authors on TV one day, do you think they'd picture us three donkeys? This is probably not the gathering of minds. Really good point.

At least you have a blazer. You have glasses. I'm wearing a Junior C Championship hockey jacket from 1985. And that jacket has a lot to do with what's on print in your book. Just give us the gist of what we're reading here. The gist of the book is this. Me, like a lot of Canadians, grew up a long way from the National Hockey League. I couldn't just run into Maple Leaf Gardens or run down to the Montreal Forum.

We saw one game on TV a week. So my real hockey heroes that I can see in person were the Pictou Mariners, junior seed champs, four years in a row. 82, 83 to 85, 86. And my hero on the team was Teapot. Now, I know I've told you, Borny, about Teapot before. I love the Teapot story. Soft as hands, east of Montreal, they used to say, Kipper. If you needed a goal, T got it.

Dad said, that's a money player, son. He's the best fisherman in town. He wins the lobster banning championship at the Carnival every year. He wins the golf championship, the darts championship, championship the pool championship still snipes whenever he plays doesn't play so much anymore because there's no scoreboards and shinny he only plays when there's a board up my hockey hero was teapot and in a lot of small towns they go well we would have made her a fish or that and i twisted around and said well maybe he did make it he did make it because he was my like he was the gretzky i could see in person and i threw it out there on twitter it because he was my, like he was the Gretzky I could see in person.

And I threw it out there on Twitter. Do you have a hometown legend like this? And I was just flooded with responses from all over the country. So I went out and I did stories on local legends who made huge impacts on people in the game of hockey, even though they think they didn't make it big, they still

kind of did. So I just kind of twisted it around a little and got a book out of it. Now, are there quotes? Are there stories out of them in the book as well? Yeah, the story starts with Teapot. Just me kind of recollecting my childhood, going to watch the Mariners. If I had this jacket in 1985, I would have been pumped. It's my buddy.

Whose jacket is it? The trainer, my buddy Troy, who lived across the street from me, okay? Troy was about four years older than me. Is he looking for his jacket right now? No. So I'll give you the story on the jacket. Can you button it up? Sorry. No, can't button it up. So Troy was the trainer, okay? He was 14 years old. As you can imagine,

guys, junior sea hockey in rural Nova Scotia in the 84, 85 season could skew a little to the violent side. Okay? Yeah. I don't know what Troy had for medical training. I'm thinking it could have been the first use of medicinal cannabis. It might even have this beer that we found in the stands. But Troy found this when he was cleaning out

his dad ravishing Ron Reed's basement. He was going to throw it out. My buddy Craig saw it and he's like, we've got to give that to Kenny Reed. So the boys shipped the jacket up and I'm like, the timing's perfect because I'm doing a book on the Mariners and on T. So the story starts up with me just going to the Hector Arena in 1984-85,

a dollar to get in, 50 cents for a program, two packs of old peachy hockey cards, even more than sure for you guys, and you'd pat the Mariners on the back as they came to the ice, the classic smoke-filled arena, stinking of rink fries, and just watching my hockey heroes. And these guys and Teapot didn't know, but when I was a little 10-year-old cheering for them, it stuck with me, and it's still with me.

And four decades later, it's still with me. And the same goes for a lot of guys in this book who watched their hockey heroes, whether it was in Cornerbrook, Newfoundland, New Waterford, Nova Scotia, Brampton, Ontario, or Trail, BC. So how did more T-Bot stories happen for you? Did people

call you? They text you? Did you send out a note saying, give me your stories? Yeah, I put it out on Twitter and most of these guys you can't research on HockeyDB, right? So if someone wrote to me about, say, Hanky Gallant in uh nova in pei everyone has to have a nickname exactly pinky galant well i'd call the guy that wrote to me

about pinky galant and tell me about pinky galant oh pinky clint played junior a in somerset you know who stick boy was it was gerard galant so then i get a hold of turk and turk tells me oh yeah when back in the day on sunday afterno, you went to Cal Stadium in Summerside. Gerard was the stick. So stick boy's Gerard Gallant watches Pinky Gallant fight Stevie Gallant every Sunday. None of the Gallants are related. And Pinky becomes this junior and senior hockey star in Sprint,

San Bernardino. And now his sons, Alex and Brett, are top guys in the American League. We all saw that scrap Alex had a couple weeks ago for the Calgary Wranglers. So Alex is actually in the book, too, telling me about his dad, Pinky. Because Pinky would stay up all night watching the AHL games on the East Coast, on the West Coast. And it was funny, when Alex switched left at the end of that fight there a couple weeks ago, I laughed because in the book, Alex tells me that Pinky would always get mad

when his son would switch left. He'd say, why'd you switch left? And Alex would go, well, I'm bored. Yeah, pretty comfortable in a fight. We're joined with Ken Reed, host of Sportsnet Central, and, of course, the author of the all-new Hometown Hockey Heroes. So, Ken, it's early in my career, and you're out for dinner at the bar. You got some guy coming up to you and say,

I could have made it, but I had an injury. And you're like, oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. Yeah. And then 10 years later, when you've had 100 of these stories every year, you roll your eyes and go, yeah, whatever, buddy. Are there, you've got some stories where you know a guy legitimately got hurt or else for sure this guy would have made it.

There's guys, I can't guarantee they would have made it, but there's guys in here who legitimately got hurt or else for sure this guy would have made it. I can't guarantee they would have made it, but there's guys in here who legitimately got hurt, yeah, but none of them. What I found with these guys, not everybody in the book was at that level where they could have made it. Like Teapot was just happy to play junior C. There's guys in there who were just happy to play junior or senior in their hometown. There was other guys who had maybe a little heat when they were younger, but none of them were, oh, I could have made it.

There was no bitterness. One guy in the book signed a tryout agreement with Winnipeg during his draft year instead of going into the draft, so that could have hurt him. But he's not dwelling on it. And then there were other guys that were just in the wrong era. So Robbie Forbes, fantastic hockey player. Tries out for the Nova Scotia Oilers in 85.

He's an undersized playmaking center who wears a Jofa and shoots left. Well, the Edmonton Oilers don't need an undersized playmaking center who shoots left. He gets cut. They bring Max Middendorf down to Nova Scotia, old tough guy. Played against Max. There you go. Sudbury Wolves.

Robbie needs a spot. He ends up in Cornerbrook, Newfoundland. He helps the team who lost the Allen Cup the previous year get over the top and win the Allen Cup. He's their leading scorer. He's the hockey hero in Cornerbrook. And Robbie's one of the few guys I could find footage of because I have footage of them winning the Allen Cup

when he's playing. And I'm watching him play. He's got the shoulders up when he's skating. His bottom hand's down low on a stick, and he's going to the backhand all the time. And I'm like, man, he looks like his nephew. His nephew's Sidney Crosby. Oh, wow.

There's these bloodlines in the book sometimes. And the beauty of the guys in the book, you guys are hockey guys, they all pay it forward. They all realize, yeah, you know what, maybe I did have just a little bit of an impact. So they kind of pay it forward. But there was no bitterness, which throughout most of my books i found very little bitterness which i like that's great you know i think i remember reading once that

like the teams that have success when you're 8 to 13 or 14 years old end up being your lifelong and for me growing up in colonna the we had the rockets when i was young and watching a really tough team scott parker todd Fedora, Chris Ouellette. Yeah, like, I mean, and good teams. Scott Hannon was there, like Brett McLean. They had some great players, but tough teams. And that's sort of become a theme for you is that era you watched. You grew up, it was a little violent.

But people loved that aspect and that energy. And today you watch the NHL, and it comes through in your commentary and the game that you miss a bit of that, you know, call it passion or whatever it is. Where in the game that you miss a bit of that passion or whatever it is. Where's the game at for you in that aspect? Ken Dryden famously said hockey players never look as good

and as cool as they did to the eyes of a 10-year-old. That stuck with me. I don't need fights. I like watching them, but I like the game within the game. Guys maybe chirping each other. I like watching a game within the game. I like, you know, guys maybe chirping each other. I like watching a game within the game. I just don't like water bugs going back and forth.

And I think teams that succeed have that on them. They have that edge, that game within the game. So I love watching the game now, obviously. The skill is just sick. But I think young people growing up watching hockey should watch hockey and just not TikTok videos of guys doing the Michigan. I think when I watch minor hockey now,

and I watch a lot of it, and I was at a junior OHL game last week, and I've been to a couple of OJ games this year. I'm like, the skill's awesome, but I don't know if a lot of guys know how to play hockey. Kipper, would you agree with that? Well, listen, just prior to air, when Kenny came in, the first thing he said is,

I agree with you, Kipper. And I'm like yes yeah oh a little older time hockey here out of Ken I'm much older than you yeah but you are more on my side than I think JB and Sammy's side so I feel like a little bit of a balance here because I wrote an article today yeah speaking of writing I wrote an article today talking about great lines and why isn't like a bertuzzi and matthews and marner now a great line and um you know i know you have a lot of thoughts and i agree with you i i one of my favorite lines trache bossy and gillies yep uh in the islander dynasty and what makes them great and some of the things that you were just talking

about yeah the truly great centers in the game for me make everybody else with them better. You could play anybody with Wayne Gretzky, and Dave Lumley will be the first to tell you that. Dave scored, I think it was 12 straight games in a row playing with Wayne in 81-82. And the beauty of Wayne was, and Kipper, you know this, they could call up anybody from the farm, put them with them, not take away from another line, and that Gretzky line would remain just as good. Everybody always talks about Gretzky-Curry,

but they don't talk about all the other guys Gretzky played with. Sidney Crosby has the ability to make everybody with him play better. There's so many guys who've played with Sid that he's just turned into really good regular NHLers. Connor McDavid, I thought he found that a little bit in the playoffs last year,

making other guys with him better. He's getting there, but I think Austin Matthews needs to do that. I'm with you with that. It's the sniper role in the playoffs last year making other guys with him better um he's getting there but i think austin matthews needs to do that and as i'm with you with as the sniper role in the center it's a little little off for me yeah that's fine but you've got to make the other guys with you better and that's what the true greats of the game do yeah and curious to know you know how how it would look right like how connor mcdDavid can slow. I guess the idea is he would physically have to slow down. Physically has to slow it down. Like Wayne, Wayne would cross that line,

you know that, and he'd just kind of curl off. He'd feather it back. You know, it's just like Jean Beliveau. I'm going way back. But Phil Roberto was on Jean Beliveau's line in Montreal. And Phil Roberto will be the first to tell you, what the hell was I doing there? Well, he ended up assisting on Beliveau's 500th goal.

Like they just, you can physically slow it down and mentally slow it down. Listen, our game's never been better when it comes to individual kind of skill. Right. And all these kids have had their own skilled guy since they were seven or eight. So every once in a while when you see Jack Hughes or Mitch Marner or Austin or Connor do all of these amazing things you kind of understand where it's coming from the era that you're talking about was never that it was all about sharing and you know the center can't be happy until his wingers are happy and it has to be the most important thing to that centerman is that i'm gonna get my

my wingers involved i'm gonna making plays for them and the other thing too which i find still amazing is that if you go back and and still talk to the guys today 30 40 years later most of them on big lines were always best friends yeah like best friend and they're always best friends. Yeah. Like best friends. And they're still best friends. I'm with the Leaf alumni. To watch Daryl and Lanny together still, like that was a good line. That was one of the best Leaf lines in history

with Errol Thompson. But they're best friends even today. Well, Clark and Trotz. Clark, Trotz. They're like family. They're like brothers. So then take that forward to now and what that looks like. Do you see

that somewhere in the NHL? I don't know if they connect. You can't do it now with the cap. There's too much. Yeah, but I don't even know if the kids like really connect with each other. Well, you're on your phones as soon as you're in the room or on the plane. Now we're getting off track. No, I'm dead serious. I'm dead serious.

I'm dead serious too. I don't know. If I'm a few years younger than you, maybe. I don't even know. But I think it's crazy to say the kids don't connect now. If they do, they connect in a different way. For sure, that's the case. Your father-in-law and Bossy and Trache weren't going back and connecting on a group chat. No.

They were maybe having a few belts. They're connecting, but they're doing it differently. And I don't know if it gets as emotional or deep connection. I just would say that all the skill coaches, I think that's great. But we've got to get back to game coaching because you can dangle it from your goal line to the blue line and look awesome. It's going to get there faster than it passed 100% of the time.

Yeah. No, it's an interesting thought too. And I like the idea of trying to establish that chemistry within lines. I think of, like, Marchand and Bergeron. Yeah. It might have been, like, a pair that, okay, that they were together for a long time as a dynamic duo.

But to me, you know, so if you flip Matthews and Marner and one plays center and the other plays wing, do you like it? Because that, to me, is a line that they've been together. I have to watch it. And you've got to, yeah, I don't know. It'd be fun to watch and find out, though. I just think the best centers are the ones who make everyone else better.

Like, if you can just. For sure. But I think that's true of all players in all positions. Yeah. No, the center. The center kind of. He's got more range, Jason. For sure.

He's more impactful throughout the ice. As a left winger, I just can't. A center can go anywhere he wants and dictates the flow. Well, our buddy, old buddy, Mike Kruschnitzky. What if he was Wayne's center as opposed to Wayne being his center? Would Kruiser have scored 46 goals in 85-86? When the Mariners were winning their fourth straight title? Hey, give us your thoughts on so far in a short 10-game span,

best story so far out of Canada. Out of Canada, Vancouver Canucks. Or Montreal. Vancouver Canucks. Yeah, Vancouver Canucks. I've been saying, you know that meme? It's my favorite meme on the internet. It's the middle-aged guy.

He's kind of like, he's bewildered. What? That's my reaction to the Vancouver Canucks. I'm like, what? They're that good? Plus, I love their throwback jerseys the other night when Thatcher Demko looked exactly like that. They were pretty cool.

Yeah, Thatcher Demko looked like Pictou County's very own Troy Gamble from the 91-92 season. I don't know if you remember that name, Kipper, but Troy played a few games for the Canucks. And you feel like with Calgary struggling, there's a real window of opportunity now that Vancouver can make the playoffs? Yeah, for sure. Well, you guys know you can't miss the playoffs.

You can't win the Cup in October or November, but you can miss the playoffs. But there's been enough of a sample size out of Vancouver to say that they shouldn't fall off the face of the earth now. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. They could. And I heard what you said about Markstrom there

when I was driving in, letting in the softy. I played on many a team. In beer league, in midget, in high school, where a goal goes in, you're like, uh-huh, uh-huh. And you're saying, just get it out of our zone. So, I mean, Markstrom was signed as the guy that was going to put Calgary over the top, and that sure hasn't worked out.

And I hate to blame a goalie. As a goalie dad, you should never blame the goalie. But, man, oh, man, it's bad. How was the goalie dad experience? It's lonely. It's isolating. It consists of me putting in headphones for the most part and sitting alone by myself in a corner.

Yeah, yeah, and I sit quietly. I don't say anything. Was it a default position or everybody has to try it once? No, my buddy, my son, my buddy, my son was a good player out, and he wanted to be a goalie. I said, well, if you can learn to skate. So he learned to skate. And he's one of those kids, when he plays baseball,

he wants to be the closer. And I'm like, there's no closers in under-10 baseball. But he wants to be that. He likes the pressure position, and he likes the glove thing. He's like an old-school goalie. He likes playing Mr. Dress-Up, maybe leaving a little open. That's funny. Like the great Donnie Murphy did, number one, for the Picto Mariners back in the day. He likes the glove thing. He's like an old school goalie. He likes playing Mr. Dress-Up, maybe leaving a little open. You know? That's funny.

Like the great Donnie Murphy did, number one, for the Ficto Mariners back in the day. Didn't he want to be a baseball catcher? Yeah, he plays catcher, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And center field. It's kind of like a goalie. Catcher, center field, second base.

Get to wear the cool equipment. People look at you a lot. Oh, yeah. I've got a good friend who helps me with the goalie equipment, which is nice. Thanks, Paul. Shout out. Shout out, Warrior.

Because that's tough. But he truly enjoys it. But, yeah, it's a pressure position for sure. Nice. So what's the end of the tour look like for you in promoting your book? Well, I'm going to be at the Toronto Sports Card Expo next Friday, Saturday, Sunday, signing the books. You must be a celebrity there.

Oh, yeah. Well, no, because Ric Flair's going to be there. Oh, boy. Yeah. I'll take a check from anyone. Then I'm heading down east. Listen to this tour. So I'm a small-town guy, as you guys know.

Listen to this Hollywood tour. Charlottetown, Pictou, Sydney. I'm coming at you. It's like Atlantic Grand Prix wrestling back in the day. So I'm going to be on Charlottetown on the 17th of November at the Charlottetown Islanders game. Pictou at the Hectorina, the house that T built, where the Mariners won their titles.

For the Northern Subway Selects under-18 game at 4 o'clock. And then the next day, I'm going to be at a Cape Breton Eagles game on Sunday, where Bruce Campbell, who's a former Eagles coach, he's in the book. Bruce was like the stud of the New Waterford Jets back in the day. So I'm coming to see you, Bruce, buddy, in a couple weeks down in Sydney. Summerside, no Doug McClain. You guys can have a book off.

Well, no, that was the thing. We were going to have a huge book off, but Doug has closed the highway. He's put a big combine down there. He will not let me come. One tractor. He will not let me come towards Summerside to promote my book. And the best part was, so Pinky Glenn, Doug knows all about Pinky. I'm like, Doug, can I interview you about, I called him.

I said, can I interview you for Pinky's stories? He goes, I'm retired. He wants to do an interview for the book. And we have the same publisher. I'm retired. I'm sorry, I'm re-dired. That's how he said it. Oh, gosh.

Yeah. You know, the beauty of what you just did here, you could do it in baseball. You could do it in soccer. They're never going to not let you write. You're going to write until you're 100 years old. Could you imagine a Texas high school

football book along those lines? Because we've all seen Napoleon Dynamite, the older brother. Back in 82. Yeah, man, every Texas guy is a local legend. So, yeah, it was so much fun to put together, and I'm glad I could give the guys who played the game for the love of the game and for pureness and for romance, I could give them a little bit of a spotlight

and get their stories out there. I was very happy with that. And you've gotten a ton of feedback from them already, right? Yeah, the boys have been happy. There's a typo in there. I said in one caption, I said a guy's hometown was Wayne, right? It's Claire's home, so apologies, Randy Keller, but we'll get that in printing number two.

But the boys are all pretty happy. I got to meet Richie Perreault out in Edmonton last weekend. He's in the book. And Troy Murray, who, you know, had a long NHL career, he tells me all about Richie in the book, and Richie was pretty happy to know that he could make an impact on a guy who went on to the NHL. So you never know. When you're playing out there in your beer leagues,

your senior leagues guys, and I know a lot of you are still plugging away, you never know who's watching. And can you do me a favor tonight with Ivanka and just do the show with what you're wearing tonight? No undershirt, though. Just the jacket. Well, the problem is if I don't have an undershirt on, I can only get her button right about there.

So, I don't know. And why did Troy get number 00? For the Picto-Mares, it should have been.08. Because that's what most of the fans were out watching. 00 is the toilet in Europe. Is that what they call it, the 00? Oh, yeah, it's just 00. Troy was a good hockey player, too.

He played Triple-A midget and played for Mount Allison. There you go. There you go. I can smell the gum when I read Opeche. Well, it's funny because one of the guys lent me his sweater to do it. David Dort, who was number seven. So I've been wearing that sweater, too. And I go, David, this smells good.

He goes, yeah. I go, how long did it take you to get the cannabis, cigarettes, and alcohol smell off this? He's like, about seven weeks. Well, listen, we really appreciate your time. Thanks for the wine, boys. All the best with the book and the tour. Thank you.

And it'll make a great stocking stuffer. I hope it does. And can you believe we're three authors? At least you guys look like authors. I look like a picto man. You look great. Congrats, Ken. Thanks, boys.

Appreciate it. All right, Ken Reed. Here we go, Pucks in deep. Sportsnet Central, author of the all-new Hometown Hockey Heroes. Okay, we're going to take a quick break, and then we'll be back

with a little bit more of Real Kipper and Born. I feel like I got a better model for the cover. Diving deep into Leafs, Raptors, Jays, and NFL. The J.D. Bunkins Podcast. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back into the Real Kipper and Boren Show. Nick Kiprios, Justin Boren, Sammy McKee. Ken likes to tell stories. Love it. He's perfect. He is. As an author. The teapot picture he showed us on the left.

The guy's got just the exact duster you expect you know the sunglasses yeah the fishing the gas station sunglasses and the fishing bucket i love it the lobster fish and burn as as penny said on the way out spf none yeah spf zero we're getting uh ready for a big night in the national hockey league including the toronto maple leafs and uh boston bruinsins. JB and I will be working our first game together. Before we do that, let's do some game time before we get into that.

You go. You're the producer. I'm just nobody around here. I'll be right there, Mr. $10,000 suit. All right. Game time presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at Bet365. Must be 19 plus. Ontario only. Play responsibly. So I was looking at the Leafs the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary. Bet 365, must be 19 plus, Ontario only, play responsibly. So I was looking at the Leafs game tonight,

and if you think this is them sticking to their trend, their trademark, as their coach said, of bouncing back after bad games, a little same-game parlay, a Matthews goal, Marner assist, and a win is plus 250 matthews has nine goals in 15 games against the bruins and marner has 31 points in 20 games against the boston bruins he owns the bruins there you go so a little bit of i i looked at that number i knew he was good against them but he really does have a history of lighting them up. He scored his first career goal against Tukarac, I believe. He really has a good history against the Bruins.

You expecting a big one out of them tonight? Yes, I do. I expect a big one out of everybody from the Leafs. Are you expecting a big one out of Yarncroft tonight? Yes, even Yarncroft. Even Yarncroft. Even Yarncroft. He does a Croc. Even Yarn Croc. He does a great job of getting the big boys rest.

Yeah. I'll get it on the forecheck, boys. We'll see if I can get this back for you. The next one I had is, so this is going to upset our Vancouver market. Don't do that. Because you know me, I talked about them yesterday glowingly. I love them. I said Quinn Hughes is one of the best three defensemen in the league. Can I get my know me, I talked about them yesterday glowingly. I love them. Said Quinn Hughes is one of the best three defensemen in the league.

Can I get my Quinn Hughes stat at some point in this? Yes. Do it right now. It's not going to help my. Puck possession time by players in the NHL right now. Yeah. At even strength. The number two guy in the league is Darlene on Buffalo.

He's had it for 16 minutes and change. Quinn Hughes has four more minutes than that. Wow. Over 20 minutes of puck possession time so far not even 10 games he's just had the puck he's had the puck on his stick for 20 minutes in the nhl that's insane so they go against san jose tonight yeah this is not going to be one of those games where you just shake your head going listen that's exactly what i'm i just sounded like john cooper there listen but yeah the sharks are stinky poo. They are very bad.

But at some point, they are playing in the National Hockey League. They are going to win. They're almost 2-1 favorite tonight. I'm sorry, 2-1 underdog tonight. To me, there's been a ton of smoke blown up the butt of the Vancouver Canucks. I'm not saying do it, but just at some point, they're going to win, and the Canucks are on the road. I want them to win the Canucks.

Maybe we'll have Taka on the show tomorrow. Oh, quit apologizing. But I do think there's a chance. Are we going to talk? Maybe. We're working on it. All we want to do is heap praise on the man. But I just think that there's a chance that the Canucks slip a little bit tonight

and the Sharks get their first win of the season. Well, there's a lot of games tonight. I think there's a dozen games in the NHL, if I'm not mistaken, but there's a lot of it where you can see things, you know, starting to get straightened out. Like the Hurricanes are 6-4, the Rangers are 7-2. The Canes are going to win that division at some point for me. There's some turnarounds coming, I think, so.

And the last one I had here was the Islanders and the Washington Capitals play tonight. Ovechkin, 42 goals in 67 career games against the Islanders. I think that's his second highest total. I think he has 50 against the Lightning, 42 against the Isles. Like a goal from Ovi tonight. He's only got two in the year.

If he's going to break this record, he's got to start shooting a few more in the net, so give me an Ovi goal tonight. And that was Game Time presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at bet365 must be 19 plus ontario only play responsible and while we're doing odds i can tell you there's a hundred percent chance my wife texted me to say sammy's hair looks great i love it she did she did oh yeah i just want to pass that on don't listen to kip i'm very busy today is No, she's homesick. I have to say, I feel way better. Oh, do you?

I feel way better. Just off your neck a little bit? It was a mop. It's a lot of hair. Good for it. Good. When Anna cut it today, I was like, oh, my God, that's all coming off of me? Like, it's a lot of hair.

Anyways. All right. Looking like teapot. I just want to talk to you guys a little bit about the Ottawa Senators and kind of that ripple effect of Michael michael and lauer and some people absolutely love uh what he said and uh appreciated his uh openness and showed some friction towards the national hockey league which you know some people think maybe that was a good thing or maybe not a good thing yeah well i guess it depends because i know we briefly had this chat before

and i'll just say that i think it's great and i think he spent a lot of money on a franchise and i think he is one of gary's bosses now and all we ever talk about is how gary is the best at doing right and getting money for his bosses you did not seem as enthusiastic as i was yeah listen uh i i was caught off guard a little bit when he brought in uh a possible reason why the thought of losing a first rounder was never mentioned in the purchase price and then there's some people that are writing today and said it's like buying a house and uh out that, you know. Termite infection. Exactly.

A couple leaks in the basement. Something. Yeah. And, you know, I talked to an executive today, and I've asked a few people, like, where do you value a first rounder? And, you know, come trade deadline, it's worth millions, right? Wow. And, you know, someone mentioned to me today that Tampa Bay actually put an evaluation

back in probably 2007, 2008 with Stamkos and Hedman. And back then in 2008, I think they valued Stamkos at about $14, $15 million to the organization. Wow. And Hedman... Per year? Just added. Money. Just added.

Money added. Just... What's your team worth? And what's your team worth with Stamkos and Hedman? Yeah. And between the two, it probably meant $25-30 million to the organization. And those are top picks.

We know that. And we know once you get past 10, 15, 20, the price drops. But it's still not small change. And here we are in 2023. And if you factor in Stephen Stamkos and Hedman today, and there's no way to put a number on each person, but you put the, you put the valuation on the fact that they've won.

How many conference finals? Yeah. I've been to the final. You've been to the final four times. Four. Four finals, two cups. Cause they went against the Blackhawks.

Yeah. 2013 or 2014. I want to say that was. So four finals, two cups. And now where do you put their evaluation? If you rank the players. And we put Stamkos at the very top,

and some people think that Stamkos has meant, you know, 100, 150, 200 million. If Tampa Bay is worth $1.4 million, what's that off the backs of a Stephen Stamkos? Yeah, 100%. That success, the winning, the jersey sales, the notoriety, the brand recognition. That's why, exactly. That's why you're going a first-rounder.

Yeah. Like, who knows? Picked up some pretty good players in 25 or 26 overall. Yeah. The further we've gotten away from this, and like I listened to the clips I was watching with Kenny Lize, I was watching some of the clips and hearing it again, I liked a lot of what he said.

Yeah. And it does feel pretty dirty to me. It's what he's saying on the up and up, that they were kind of telling him it's no big deal. He's got a real beef. Like I would be equally as pissed off as he was yesterday, but I can also see the other side, how the league's probably not thrilled that he went out and had that tone of a press conference okay yeah the other conversation today to be had is if in fact there was any chance that in a year

or two you can pull off a lou lamorello with the New Jersey Devils way back and get that first rounder dropped to a second or a pick between 25 and 35. If there was a chance, did Anlauer blow it with his press conference yesterday? I mean, did he blow it or did he encourage it? I don't think it helped yeah in all honesty uh when he yeah you know suggested that it was a a money issue you you wanted me to pay top dollar and

you you didn't come clean i also know that it's not popular with a lot of people that the punishment is harsher than the blackhawks received in the wake of their sexual abuse scandal. You know, that's another public consideration where it's like, what are we valuing and how here? So yeah, I'd say the league is in a bit of a tough spot. And yeah, you'd like to, curious what conversations are happening behind the scenes about what that will look like in the end. Yeah.

Yeah. But here's the last but for Annlauer is Ottawa has always been this organization that's kind of gotten kicked around a little bit. It was kind of nice for them to have a guy stand up for them. Couldn't agree more. Yeah, someone to dig in a little bit. And said, listen, those days are over. We're not punching bags anymore,

and we're trying to beat the guys down the street that their franchise is worth $10 billion or $12, whatever number you want to attach. And then I got the Montreal Canadiens here. If I'm a Sens fan watching that press conference, I'm like beating my chest, like ready to run to a brick wall. How do you not feel fired up about a guy that's that passionate about your franchise already and willing to just like put his you-know-what on the table

in front of the league saying that stuff, like I'd be really fired up if I was a Suns fan. It's funny how quickly he went from, you know, we were at fault, we did wrong, do whatever, and then he got through the prepared remarks and got one question that was like, this sucks. Yeah, this sucks. They're wrong.

Yeah. All right. They got a big one tonight. They got the Kings coming in who we saw what they did. Yeah. Another good test. Big test for them all right carter hart leaves the game after a weird collision with uh okpozo it didn't look like much at all he left the game i don't know i hate when goalies get fallen on and it just it didn't look good for the the the is it the bloom is off the rose is that a saying yes it is the bloom is off the rose for the old Flyers. By the way, my boy, Opozo, a former teammate of mine,

was also the one that hit my car two games ago. Oh, my God. He's a rough doing. Well, for Philly, their start has been largely positive, so hopefully he's not hurt and they get him back in short order. Anaheim, turn the corner a little bit when you kind of suck for a very long time. Eventually your picks start

kind of helping you out a little bit. How long have they sucked for though? I'm trying to think. It's been two or three years? I don't know. Yeah, it seemed like a while. You know, they went through this once though where it was like, look out for here comes Sam Steele and jones and silverberg and whatever and you felt like anaheim was supposed

to be turning it around so there's one thing to get relevant again and maybe it's possible that they're in that group now that's more relevant than people thought but i'm still gonna i'm holding out on on buying any stock there yeah calgary flames last night your game last night yeah on the network and good effort right better great effort lost their sixth game in a row though six yeah and regulation i think too right yeah so right now statistically uh i had a stat last night If you are four points or more out of a playoff spot on November 1st, going back to 2005, 2006, you have an 11% chance of making playoffs. Eight teams have done it of 71 teams who have been in that predicament. The Flames are there now.

They are, let's see here, they are four points exactly out of a playoff spot at this point right now is there any hope no at two seven and one can you bury a team 10 games into the season for making the playoff yeah yeah i don't i don't like their chances of digging themselves out of this i i don't but there's just no way that you can bail or give the impression that you're you're giving up on the season this early you can't they were so good last night like you guys know dallas is a good team we talked about him a couple weeks ago flames great first period i told you guys markstrom lets in a week one the second period they get in their heels they go down four two they give up a goal in the final minute and both the first

and the second connor's aries first nhl game was it the jamie ben short-handed there where rasmus anderson look was waving someone uh uh to come on yeah i went down and picked up the that was bad on anderson's part? Yes, or whoever's on the bench in Anderson. And then he decides not to come off. And I guess I understand he's tired, but you still half-assed it.

Got to defend that pass. Got to defend that. It was just way too easy. And Markstrom makes a bad read going out to play it, and then he doesn't see the guy coming on the back door. As a goal, as a goal you're responsible a bit for that pass so that was bad and you know they didn't like the robertson either didn't like the robertson one at all so yeah they they lose that period and then all of a sudden the third period is the best team in the nhl they came out with an unbelievable effort connor zary was everywhere and it's just not

enough you know like he provided some offensive spark they didn't have but i gotta tell you i watched huberto really close last night very interested to see what he could bring he doesn't even want the hockey puck like he does not want to be involved it's just it is not working every decision he's making is the wrong one i mean we've all gone through that as players where you have stretches, but he couldn't do a thing right. He was on the bench when it was six on five flames and Connor Zeri was on the ice in his first NHL game.

That's where Hubert O's at. Boy. I have no idea. 10.5 million. Craig Conroy does now with this guy. You play him every night. You play your way out, I guess. What are you supposed to do?

No, but long term, it doesn't. I don't know if there's a happy ending here for him in Calgary. I would agree with that. I heard someone. My point, what do you do besides keep playing and keep losing? That's it. I think that's just kind of where they're at as a franchise. Like, they had a little window here.

All the really good guys have kind of left. And their transition, I guess, with these two top guys, with Kadri and him on these long-term contracts, that they misread their window a little bit. And now they're just kind of stuck in this. He is under contract until 2031 at $10.5 million per. He had 55 points last year. I mean, what are the odds he finishes this contract? Like 30%?

Without it being bought out or something? I'm sorry, did you say the season? You think they could do something this year? No, they can't. They can't. I think this was doomed right from the start. I think, and this is just me talking to you guys, my perception. I'm a body language guy.

I'm a, you know, all of that. I just think he is still shell-shocked he got traded from Florida. Yeah. I don't even think he's gotten over that. Just while he was spinning around trying to figure out he signed a billion-dollar contract. How do you not sign that contract? You put it in front of you.

Or you might end up like Klingberg. Yes. You've been going to the games in your Lamborghini and palm trees. Flip flops, baby. 115 points, Hart Trophy votes. Yeah, exactly. 115 points. You're the man.

You and Barkov. And then behind your back, Zito and the boys are going. Soft. Don't like him. Don't like him. Don't think we can win. We can't get. We can't beat Tampa Bay

with Juvedo. We gotta go get Kachuk. I gotta tell you. What a trade. If there is any hockeyman who deserves some applause, it's them seeing it in a guy who had the points, knowing what other people didn't know necessarily and saying, we don't want to be the team

to give them $80 million. And then you got Brad T tree living and the whole organization just spinning their tires right now going what are we gonna do and then you sign them and not only do you sign them but you sign them to whatever they asked for and you know i've had this before but you got to do it don't you no you don't no you give up math you could chuck and then you let a guy walk that you traded for. You just let it a little bit. You let it happen for a couple weeks. Listen, you got to get out of the mentality

that losing someone is the worst thing. It's not, because there's value in opening up space of $10 million that you can buy someone else well then in that case i agree with you in that case you don't trade for huberto you trade for picks and prospects take the cap space and then get a bunch of futures yes yes you know a hundred percent you're in a much better position Or you still could have told people I've got I'll flip him again

Right There's still value in him If you wanted to flip him right away He's a 115 point guy No we don't expect him to ever have 115 points But you know He's 90 all day long Which everybody still predicted He'd get this year but it's just

is it i don't think he he's still over being traded to calgary from florida and i don't think he ever will well now you're in a highly scrutinized market and it's not going well tough spot and so to your point about the flames it it's like if Lindholm's not going to sign and Hannafin's not going to sign and you're not making the playoffs. How long do you wait? It's okay. It's alright. Let them go. And open up your space and go shopping.

I feel like Kip is just talking me through a breakup. It's like, it's okay, but open up your space, go shopping. Just find yourself again. And no one says you have to do that stupid program of chicago's where you lose on purpose and you'll be the worst team or what we're watching from san jose because all you're going to do is isolate your they got back up my favorite team one of the best players in the ihl so i would disagree with that though i

has anyone ever executed it as well as a leafs did you're just gonna bottom out one year see you later playoffs next year yeah well they were bad for a few years was it not that quick doesn't have to sink that low is my point yes right that's your point they don't and they've got some guys here that they could really even though they're uf, they could really reset their picks and prospect pool with some trades. Like, is Elias Lindholm going to sign there long-term? We read that story from Eric Francis about how everything's paused.

He also doesn't look very good. But Hannafin, even on a UFA deal, Tanev, Zdorov, like all those guys are first-round pick type of guys at the deadline, aren't they? Oh, yeah. Like all those guys. They have their first four guys at the deadline aren't they oh yeah like all those guys they have their first four rounders oh there's they're already talking they're already know which teams are interested in tan of which includes toronto yeah sure how could they not be i mean is he not the solution to losing justin hall you get a guy who kills

penalties and if he can stay on the ice. He is pretty injury prone. I don't think you can. You can't give that perception that you're ready to do that now. Or in a week or two. But we are here in Toronto. But why not? Just it's a long season. You got to have people come to the rink and be excited. Yes, you should take orders after all.

Popcorn and beer. They're trying to get a new rink or have a new rink that's supposed to be completed at some point in calgary so yeah i hope that gets done you know you would like to be really good then and you know they have some good young players this coronado i like him zari is exciting for them they like walker doer it's like you know there's some young guys so yeah coron Coronado was on fire coming out of training camp. Yeah. They have my son, Andrew Mangiapane.

Love him. By the way, all the stats say that the line he's on for the Flames is the good line every time. He's so good. I love Mangiapane. Coronado's a Long Island guy from the same town as my wife's family. Green lawn, born in Huntington like myself, so rooting for Coronado. Go Matthew Coronado.

Love that. Montreal and Arizona tonight. Montreal, nobody really talks about Montreal. They just keep winning. Are they better than the Leafs right now? Yeah, for sure. No question there. You know who looks really good there is Sean Monaghan.

Speaking of Calgary Flames. Calgary's got to watch Toffoli run up for the Devils. Watch Monaghan turn his career around. Go to the cup final. I guess he didn't win the heart. God. Tough times. Bit of a beat down in Cowtown.

All of a sudden he looks like that. Cowboys will feel better. Will you? I felt pretty bad leaving there a couple times. A higher pick if they want to float sean monahan out towards the trade deadline wow i mean i guess you're already thinking about that sort of thing what's he on a one-year deal another one-year deal i think i would imagine what did he get sammy this year i'm looking it up right now hold tight this is a guy where a lot

of people thought his career was over with a groin injury making 1.985 so two million that they cleverly tucked under just for the appeal of whoever you're selling them to probably 1.985 that work like a house yeah 1.99 i'm not going to i won't spend two yeah but 1.9 yeah that's what we're talking yeah i think he'd probably be a guy that would have value to a contender. But it's nice for them to... Like 10-F, be healthy. It's nice to them... Dallas and Edmonton.

Oilers are beating Dallas tonight. Do you guys know that? It's happening. The feeling, or at least the narrative, was that the outdoor game got us back to what we expect. So this would be a good time to follow that up then against the Dallas Stars. Yeah.

Dallas is pretty heavy underdogs tonight. A little value there. They're underdogs? Yeah, I think they're plus 145 maybe. Plus 145? The Oilers are 2-5-1 or something like that? Okay. Vegas buys into the...

Oilers are coming. The Oilers are coming I like that Stars team Pretty good Yeah pretty darn good I mean there's a lot to like in Dallas That Hintz is 6'4 He's a mule

Scores 40 goals he's unbelievable Robertson obviously scores a ton They have some really good players there Heisken I think scores a ton they have some really good players there heist gonna excuse me i died i think uh they might have to tweak something at the trade deadline too i don't know if they have enough but i don't think they do either people love pavelski but you know he really slowed down last season towards the end okay you know ben Ben and Sagan are great, but these guys are not

A-class contributors at this point. Maybe Ben is, but... So you guys really excited for your regional debut tonight? Yeah. Yeah, we're just hoping David Amber and Elliot Friedman don't slow JB and I down.

Well, I mean, you guys just talked to each other for two hours. What are you going to say on the show? And the plan is basically just for Kip and I and David and Elliot to talk to each other for two hours. What are you going to say on the show? And the plan is basically just for Kip and I and David and Elliot to talk to each other. Oh, okay. Now, will you be wearing a suit tonight

or going with the Wimbledon look? Is this on the dress? All whites. I think this, your jacket over this sweater would look really nice. No, yes. No shirt and tie tonight? Shirt and tie. We got, Kip and I got to get across the building. We got to get in makeup.

I got to get a suit on. So I haven't done this like in a couple of years. Is there like still the buffet out there? Yeah, it's shrimp and lobster, pal. Everywhere you go around here. Yeah, I'll be in the massage chair while you're getting your makeup. It's in my contract. Shrimp and lobster before every game.

Well, you know, more power to you if you can get it. All right. We're going to have fun tonight. Big game, big night. You know what? We don't know if the Leafs are good yet, so good test for them. All right. Our thanks to Andy Brickley.

Terrific job. The Boston Bruins. And Ken Reed, host of Sportsnet Central and the author of his all-new book, Hometown Hockey Heroes. Teapot, baby. Teapot. Yeah, shout out Teapot. Should we get him on the show?

Yes. Yes. Derek, get the mute button on that one. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And as always, you know where to find us. We are The Real Kipper and Bourne Show.