Real Kyper & Bourne - How Many Goals Will Ovechkin Reach?

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined by Hockey Hall of Famer Adam Oates (5:45) to chat about Alex Ovechkin netting in his 900th NHL goal, how much has Auston Matthews' offence changed over the years, Trevor Zegras' impressive start to the year with the Philadelphia Flyers, the evolution of the power-play, and if Macklin Celebrini could crack the Team Canada roster. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee react to Jordan Binnington pocketing Ovi's puck, why Nazem Kadri is the hottest name in the trade market, and Sidney Crosby and Ovechkin meeting for the 99th time. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Time to go national on the real Kipper and Bourne show. We are live on Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, 960 in Calgary. And streaming always on Sportsnet Plus, always available at your convenience, of course, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne. Left wing for us, Sammy McKee, or right wing for them? What are you tomorrow night? I'm left wing, left wing. Okay.

Do you think, if you want to say a breakdown of my game, picture the worst version of James and Reamsdike's little brother. Okay. That's how, that would be my scouting. All right. Turn your mic on. Jamie Arras had some good goals already. Yeah, if you get it around the net, you could put it in.

That's exactly right. That's all we need. This hour, Real Kippren Boren, brought to you by Bet365. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in the Hall of Famer, Adam Oates. Always nice to have him on the way he sees the game, unlike a lot of other people. Does tremendous work with some of the best hockey players in the world. Can he fix at least power play? We're going to ask him.

Yeah. We are going to ask him. In the meantime, last night, a lot of attention on Ovechkin, scoring his 900. and then the strange set of circumstances right after. 900 is a number that I didn't think would ever exist. No. 900 is crazy. I mean.

Yeah, I mean. I mean, that's not sarcastic. That's wild. We've all made it pretty. On the back hand. Yeah. Not the way he scored most of his goals. I was going to say he's 900 goal.

He scored 10 on the back. That's kind of a cool 900, though. The goalie that tried to scramble back on the 900th goal, was that the same guy that played for Team Canada? Yeah. Because it didn't look remotely like that. Did you see him, do you see how far he slid out? Like, it's a garbage goal on Bennington's part to give up.

That's my point. Okay. That he is struggling and we're going to get into him hiding the puck or whatever happened last night. But this guy's game is way. off. It's crazy. It's not even close right now. And it's got to straighten out or he may blow his invitation. No, I'm telling you, listen, there's lots of time here. The guy won a Stanley Cup turning a team around in January. I'm not, I'm not giving up on him. I'm a Jordan Bennington

fan. But he has, he's not even remotely in the same hemisphere as he's been in the past. And it's a big reason why, my opinion, the blue line's not helping them either. I'll give them that, especially on Wilson's first goal. Like, it looked like two Evan Bouchard's there trying to cover a guy in front of the net. I just typed real quickly while we were

talking about when the roster will be officially named. January 1st, 2026. That's when we will know. And they play... What is it? January 6th? January 1st. 1st, okay. So, like, he's got... Five and a half weeks. Yeah, he got to get going. Yeah, you got to get

going you know how much you guys want to bet February 12th February 12th against Chakia Canada's first game he will be starting the first game I hope so because I still I'll bet you that he's not okay I still have St. Louis making the playoffs for sure and being a team that could

contend I'm sorry what yeah well you mean you picked him to win the cup you kind of got to stick with that yeah I did they were my sleeper pick to win the cup do you want to talk about the stolen puck yeah they're bad bad bad A lot of noise.

Are we going to do this now? We have two minutes to oats. We got time for this? The puck? Yeah. Yeah. Because if you're going to say what I think you're going to say, I'm just saying, there are some that suggested to me that he, you know,

there was an opportunity to have two pucks in his pants. So the conspiracy theory, Tinfoil, had it up. Yes. Would be that he knows there's $899. Yes. He knows he's playing OVee. If he gets $900 on me, I'm going to tape this. I'm going to take another game puck, another game puck, and give it back.

And I'm going to do a switcheroo, and then I've got a multi-million dollar puck. The OV-900 goal puck is an item. Listen, you've said a lot of wild things. What do you think? It's my favorite thing he's ever said. I'm so thrilled about this. How will we ever know? You would never know.

The black market at some point. Like once you... You hang on to it for another 10 years. Once it's tucked in there. I mean, yeah. Like a baseball. Are pucks, can you authenticate them? I don't know if they're, I don't know if they're marked.

I'm not sure if they're marked. There is chips in the pucks, though. I bet they would know. That's like, there used to be this is really viral clip from, I don't know, for like 10 or 15 years ago at the Jay's game where this little kid is in the front row catches the ball. And then he like takes the gamer and puts it in the back of his glove and takes it another one and gives it to these two women behind him.

They're like, oh my God, he's so sweet. That's a little hostler. What are the World Series? What are the two World Series? That's the Miggy Rojas balls. That was in the ninth inning, I think. Fire a call. Two and a half million dollars for both of them.

For that and the Will Smith ball. Him and his son caught him. Sick hands. Jordan may know what he's doing that if he pulled the switcheroo. He's done okay. We have a clip of it, too. We'll get it after Oats. Okay.

Let's welcome him in. Hall of Famer. Been a guest of the show many times, usually from Florida. Oatsie, how are you, pal? I'm good. I'm good. How are you guys? Are you down south?

Where are you? yeah i'm in florida everything good down there last time i checked the florida teams were acting like florida teams like you know when they came into the league i know i i don't think anybody would expect the panthers to be like that and and same with tampa right both teams were a little bit of a funk what are your thoughts on your boy uh alex ovechkin getting a 900 i mean did you think he would have the longevity to keep doing this you know what i talked to him this morning obviously because i congratulated him and he just said you know he he he's been a very lucky guy health wise for sure but he's always but he is a guy that's always

loved the game he like he loves the game it's his life like a lot of us and you know you get some breaks along the way but to to do what he's done is just i mean it's beyond incredible like all the stats that you read all the time it's just it's just it's fantastic you got to take your hat up. Oh, see, when you coached them and spend time with him, was he, was he a numbers guy? Like, obviously goal scores love their cookies, but is he the type of guy? My question to you now is, is he the type of guy to go, okay, I want to try to get a thousand here. Do you think he has it in him?

Yeah, I do. I think, obviously, milestones are one of those things that when we'll keep certain guys going for sure. and I think he wants to because he loves the game. And I remember when I got the job, that was sort of one of my points to George McPhee was, I think I can get Obeskin to score more goals. You know, that was sort of one of my telling points. You know, like I'm a power play guy.

I can get the power play going. You can get Obie going. And you know what? He hasn't really stopped ever, has he? I mean, it's just, it's incredible, incredible. So one of the things that you do well is coached the offensive side of the game. something we don't see a whole ton of. We've been sitting here trying to figure out Austin Matthews the last couple of years,

right? 69 goals down to 33 last year this season. He's got 8 and 14. It's going good. But only the last few games has it started to look better. I don't know if it's not quite as fast or what's happening that doesn't quite look as dynamic. Have you seen a change in him over the past few years at all?

Well, there is one change for sure that we know about and someone's missing. right we might not want to talk about that but the guy happens to be a distributor and he's missing so that's that's number one number two the power play number three the one subject that is just it kind of eats me alive every day is the spread out of offense you know you see this every night you see nothing nothing games after two like philadelphia lost at home against calgary last week they only got 18 shots one power play guys are skating around and we're so enamored with analytics But we are forgetting some of the grinding of the game that gets dirty goals, if you will. And, and you know what, I don't see anything in his gameless change. No, I think we have to identify other areas that could maybe help. Okay, so, like, we had a conversation in the first hour about the Leafs in particular as being one of those teams that even last night, three shots on goal, 17, 18 minutes into the first period. They ended up with five, but it's, it's been a common look at home. And it's just not a leave thing.

Justin says that the shots on goal have never been lower. Like, what is going on, OTC? We've opened up the game. We took out the clutching and the grabbing. Faceoffs are deep no matter what for power plays. Like, why are the shots now disappearing? Because, because I'm a little disillusion myself. like I'm watching every night and I'm trying to understand for my guys what does the coach want like seriously what does he want right now and guys are skating around and what does he want like I actually saw a game in Buffalo last week where a defenseman off a draw started to walk down Broadway like right down the middle of the ice and he had an open lane and he stopped and skated back out and passed to his partner and I was like did I just see what I just saw and it's like

Like, what, you're not allowed to shoot it yet? It's got to be a certain amount of time in the ozone before we can shoot it. Like, I don't know what the rules are. I don't know what everybody's talking about. I know what everybody's seeing. Like, and you see every night, teams are skating around with the puck. So analytically, yeah, we get the puck in the ozone. And but what's happening?

And, like, we're not shooting. And therefore, we're not generating power plays. We're not getting outnumber situations. And you see certain stuff every night, right? Like, I, it's very frustrating because a team might have the puck. but kind of like, so what? And I think we talked about this last year. It's like overtime.

What's the number one rule in overtime? Don't shoot the puck because you give them the puck. So you see teams leave the zone. You see teams pass it back to the goalie because they're getting tired. They don't want to shoot the puck because we can't get in there. We can't get in there. We have to get in there. So if you have four guys skating around the outside, you're not shooting.

Yeah, that's an issue. It is an issue. Particular, yeah. All right, so let me ask you then. So someone who's done better this year, Trevor Zegris, I think we talked to you a year or two ago and you were working with them and you were like, yeah, we're trying to get him

to be more of a hockey player. And he didn't mean it in derogatory way, but like less of the fancy stuff and more of the straight, just, you know, making safer plays maybe. He's off to a good start. He's got talking as a coach, 15 points in 13 games. Has he changed something?

Has he gotten older? Is it luck? What are you seeing in his game? I think it's what you said. Like, we've tried to get away from being the Instagram guy. He's a very talented kid. Yes, he is. He's very talented.

But we also have to play hockey. And so we've just sort of focused on what's the correct hockey play? What's the correct decision at this moment? It might be a dump in, but dumping incorrectly. Right. Right. I think he's done a better job of that. I also think he's done a better job physically, getting involved in the play.

and the power play's been pretty good, so he's off to a very good start. Just to follow on that, because we did have Rick talk it on last week, O.C., and he did mention working on Zegrois with his practice habits. And, like, in our era, we had guys who, you know, struggled with their practice habits too, right? I mean, is it more now, or is it just an individual thing?

from era to era. Or is it a thing that a coach says to identify something? Like Matt Barzell missed a game because he was late for practice. Patrick was his coach. I know a few things about Patrick Waugh that happened in his career that he didn't miss a game for. Good point. Right? I understand how to create a culture.

I'm all about culture. I understand that. if I missed a practice because I got stuck in traffic I would hope you'd find me and you don't draw a line in the sand like that because when you do draw a line in the sand you got to be careful who crosses it, right? Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, well, isn't the idea, though, that it doesn't matter who crosses it, that, you know, we're all accountable to one another? That's really the message, right? Now, if the guys in repeat offender, you might have to go to a different step. Yeah. But, you know, we've all seen that for sure.

Yeah, fair enough. I've been watching the league this year, and one of the things that stands out is exceptional young guys and not necessarily top picks. Emmett Finney is a seventh round pick that's Ben Kindle and Pittsburgh's really young. Celebrini's leading the league in points. Like, is the game change in a way?

Is it maybe less physical or nasty that enables young players to have success younger? Well, there's no question that it's way less physical. Yeah. than our era. It's not even a fair fight when it comes to that. Like, it's not there. So lucky for them.

Right. Lucky for them. And they're very good players. You know, like they stepped into the league and, you know, Schaefer and the Islanders, he looks fantastic already, doesn't he? Yes. Yeah. And, you know, what the first thing that jumps out of you is the skating ability.

And then to me, playing in this environment where you get to, like, fly around. Right? And if you're a guy that can fly around, you look good. Yeah. Hey, a question, kind of a follow-up here. Who from your era, or even how about yourself, would you have benefited from this style of NHL or were you better suited to make plays in a chaotic environment like that?

This would really hurt me. You think so? Oh, no question. Because I would say that one of my skills on every night was I could go into a corner and win a battle. I could. and when I win that battle I need a guy in the slot

and if he's not there, what do I do? Right. Right? And skating was not my strength. So my strength was more power play and winning battles and tight coverage and making those little plays

through a guy's feet handling the physicality and being involved in the game. So that's, and I sort of see the opposite in a sense. Yeah. I saw someone say that like, boy, wouldn't the Siddines kill it in today's era

And my thought was no. Like they were graded like cycling the puck and, you know, people running out of position at them trying to be physical and making little dishes. Yeah, you know what?

Those two guys, like they played with each other and they had, I think, what was it, Kessler, the righty and the rules. Burroughs too. Yeah, Burroughs, yeah.

And like, they were great at protecting the puck. Right. They didn't skate around. Right. No, they didn't skate around. They protected the puck.

And they were very good at it. They were almost boring, right? Yeah. Oh, See, you mentioned power plays as being something very important in your career. How was the power play evolved over the years? And we see some consistencies for sure with Edmonton. How can it not be a top power play with Bouchard and Drysidal and McDavid?

And then there's others still with high-octane talent, like Toronto with Nylander and Matthews and Tavarous, but they're struggling here. So, I mean, what is the ultimate key from generation to generation that still remains intact? I mean, I really think you need a philosophy that works, like every system, right? Like every system has to work. You need the right sticks. Like left right, left right?

Yeah, left and right sticks, yeah. I mean, I'm a one-timer guy. I really believe in one-timers. Ovi's got 900 goals. that they've never had a screen ever. I don't know. You saw Stamco's goal last night with a second left. Like, if you get him a one-timer,

you get him three one-timers a game, you've got a goal. And, you know, obviously when he was in Tampa, Nikita Kuthorov can create those plays. Victor Hedman can create those plays. So I think when you have the right sticks and the right skills, you don't need to move around. I'm not a big believer in moving around.

I'm a believer in giving the quarterback, the ball every single time and you just, we work the reeds and then the guys get used to the reeds. If you move around, can you score once in a while? Of course. Of course, but that's more of a a play. That's more of a one-trick pony. That's more of a one and done.

The play has to work or now we're out of position. So I'm not a real believer in that. The Westkin's been standing in the same spot forever, hasn't he? Where is the quarterback? Half wall. Half wall. Quarterback's half ball, yep. Not up top. no i mean that's the d up top's a vital bit of a quarterback as well he needs to decide to shoot

it or pass to the flank right and that shot can't get blocked but the quarterback's the main guy because he starts it and he's half wall so what is half wall half wall is the guy that's in between the defenseman or the forward so he's got to pick on one of those guys and beat that guy and if he beats that guy he starts the process yeah so if you go to the point You pass it through the penalty killer's triangle to the point, man. So, therefore, he's got a split second where he's open. He can shoot it or the guy that's moved over, the other killer, now we've got an opening.

That's Stamkel's goal. That's Obeschkin's goal, right? So you create the two-on-ones, if you will. Do you think it's better to focus on getting a particular player touches versus saying we're just going to take what the best option available is? Like I remember another skills coach saying they knew that Patrick Cain got a point on every 4.8 touches in a game. So we're going to try to get him more touches in the game so we can get more points. Like is it about getting it to the right player or to the right place?

A combo. Yeah. A combo. Like at the end of the day, you know, when you look at Toronto, Austin Matthews needs to shoot the puck. That's got to be one of the critical points of the team. So we have to get him in the right spot at the time to shoot. Now, I don't want him to shoot a puck from too far away. That doesn't make sense either.

So we have to create the environment that he gets it. And if a team shadows him, can we recognize that and see the next play? Like when you watch an NFL quarterback, there's four reeds on the play. There's a primary, a secondary, a third, and fourth, right? And the quarterback makes the reads. So to me, a good power play has very similar. Interesting stuff, man. got to ask you about Celebrini

we've been around a long time from you know when you first broke in the league to up until today where does what he's doing rank in terms of coming into the league I know we talked about Schaefer in the island but you know

this guy in just a very short period of time and what he's been able to accomplish you know I've been nothing but impressed very classy kid very I'm sure you know about his father. He's a very smart man, very involved in sports.

Comes from a good background. He's got really good line-made in Smith. Obviously, they've got a great chemistry going right now. And playing really good hockey. Yes. Excellent. He's the one exception where it's not too early to talk about playing on an Olympic team in February. Or maybe like Badard, you need to see more.

yeah you know what obviously everybody's got their opinions right i got mine uh i think it's a little early to talk about that okay that would be my best answer that i don't make someone mad do you do any uh judging of of goaltenders in uh in your work of course what's what's canada going to do man we we got we're out of options yeah we're in trouble You know, like Binner's having a tough goal here. Logan Thompson, Logan Thompson's having a good year. Can he be the guy? Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Well, here's the hoping because we're struggling. Do you have a theory, Oatsy, on like, I don't know, just the lack of being able to come up with five of these guys now in a 32 team league, five Canadian goalies that should be fighting tooth and nail for spots? I mean, I really don't have a theory on that. No, but why we don't.

Yeah, why we don't. Are they turning into referees? Nobody wants to do it. They don't want it to be Adam Oates. You know what? That's a good question, man. I don't know. Yeah.

Time for another Canadian summit of some variety. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So last one for me, then, looking ahead to that tournament, they got about six, seven weeks before teams are going to be picked.

You watch the Four Nations face off. Do you have Canada as the front runner or the Americans caught up? Me personally, Canada is the front runner. All right. That's all we needed to hear. OTSI, fantastic stuff as always, man.

Really appreciate your time. Thank you, bud. Appreciate it. Okay. Thanks, appreciate it. Hall of Famer, Adam Oates. The numbers are off the chart. From a different point of view,

you know? Yeah, I do. I worked with him a little bit on Hockey Night in Canada, too, and I always caught myself, like, listening to him, right? Not times you just want to make sure that you're covered on the desk and you're prepared to wait your turn and then do your stick or whatever you got. But, like, sometimes I was like, oh, wait, it's my turn, okay. Yeah, I don't know.

How many guys in league history, and I'm asking sincerely, have over a thousand assists because he does yeah 1,079 he's over 1,400 points he must be one of the best guys ever to watch a hockey game with and just in terms of the stuff that he says like it's just yeah I don't know how many clients he has now but he's got some of the biggest names that he's worked individually with just quickly pulling up the how many people have a thousand assists yeah it's unique work you know like doing skills coaching for superstars when you have to watch them play and go it's not about oh you need to work on your this or that it's that you need to get to this area more or you know find yourself in different situations it's about getting the right

spots in the ice 14 guys in hl history have a thousand assists wow how many 14 14 yeah uh how many can you get no how many can you get a whole show i bet you i could get you want to try no caper do you want to try or no i'm sorry try what how many players in hale history have a thousand assists i mean how of the 14 how many can you guess is what i was asking you in my horrible broadcasting um all right let's take a crack let's go all right scratch greeter off you got that's yeah yeah let's you there yeah yeah yeah uh a thousand assists already uh belongs to thank carolina uh ronnie frances yep is yager yeah yogurt yeah yogurt Boston, Colorado, Boston, Colorado.

Ray Bork. Wow, we got a defense of all coffee in that list. Bingo. Can we go, uh, well, you got to get Oatsy. Yes, yeah, check that one. Yeah. Can we go Peter Stasney? No.

Peter Stassie is a great pick. Not there. Dale Howard Chuck. No. Marc Bessier. Yes. Yeah, Mass. No.

No. No, no. Oh, yeah. What am I talking about? Of course, yes. You want to skip, I'll hear you. All right, who we miss. Gretzky, Ron Francis, Mark Messier, Ray Bork, Yarmie Jogger, Paul Coffey, Joe Thornton, Adam Oates,

Sid, Steve Eisenman, Gordy Howe, Marcel Dion, Merri Lemieux, Joe Sackick. We would have got there. Nah, Sackick's tough, but we would have got there. We needed to do that on a Monday, and for sure by Friday, we would have got it. We should actually open every week with a question like that, and throughout the week just randomly list them off. I can come on with that. Do you want to do more on Biddington?

Yeah, do you want to do it now? Well, we have a clip of him talking about the puck. Okay, I'd love to hear it because I have not heard it. All right, let's play that clip there, Jake. Yeah, I figured I basically had an assist on the goal there, turning it over, so I didn't think he'd mind sharing it. But I had full intention to give it back to him. You know, it's just, I'm still incredible play by him to catch that on his backhand or forehand.

spin around, get that on net from a bad angle. Like, obviously, he's such a legendary player, and just seeing the play like that's still happening at his age and the talent and hand-eye coordination from cutting off my pass and then just catching it off the wall, spinning backhand, getting it up right by, you know, our guy skate and right by my pad is just, he's next level, and he just continues to impress.

So, yeah, full intention to give it back, and obviously legendary inspirational player for the game for the league. So, you know, it's a good moment for him and their team. Buddy, this, I'm telling you, this season is going down as the backpedaling goalie season. Incredible. This has been incredible. I've never seen so many goalies backpedal in the post game. I agree.

This is what I mean by politicians, though, and they're like, hey, what's the deal with you guys like going to war in that country? And they're like, we're just really happy the medical plan at home that we've created, like something totally different and unrelated. I don't believe you. Goes into the pants. He pulls out the one, the prop puck. Look at him. He's got to find where the prop puck is that he's taped to his hip so he can keep the real one.

A mental thing to say is I've, I planned on giving it back to him. Well, then why'd you put it in your pants? He's just really pissed off that they suck and he sucks and he's just like, he's just sour. I guess I like the competitiveness. I do. I love it.

But that's loser behavior. It's not competitive. That's not competitive. God, those police jerseys are 10 to 10. Disrespectful, it's... This is where I'd have a problem. Even if I'm Doug Armstrong. It's like we're in the last place in the division.

We're now down to nothing. Why is screwing around? Like, what is now, where is your focus now? We're in a hole. We suck right now. We got one of the best analysts in Canada who picked us to do really well you're making him look like an idiot

why now are you going to mess around with Ovi's Puck? I got to tell you, I couldn't agree more with that. It's like, what was your focus going into the game were you this aware of his record? I think after they win the gold medal

in Cortina Milan, he's going to reach into his pants and he's going to pull out that he's like, I had the puck all along. It's my Puck. Shooter McGavin running down there. Hill, but with the puck. Do do, do, do, do, do. That's what I think is going to happen.

I mean, it's just, it's a crazy thought process. I like that he's competitive, but it is such, like, poor behavior. Like, if your kid did that, he's like, what are he doing? He's always been, he's always been a little, he's always had a screw loose. It's, since his genius. It would be right up there is shooting the puck in the stands right after. That had been a wild mess. move.

Just, this was better. Oh, yeah. Right? You're not getting it. Anyways, I love that. I, you guys don't like it. I love it. You don't like it from an entertainment perspective.

Not from a. Can I be honest? I'm going to be honest here. I like Bennington and I don't like Ovi, so I liked it. Okay. Why would you not like Ovi? I don't want to do this again. How many times are I going to do this?

This is a goal score. Just marvel at the goal scoring. Come on. I got to give him that. He shoots it in the net better than any one. has ever done it. He will score 40 goals next year. I'm predicting that.

Is that okay? Am I allowed to say that? He's... For dynamo. For mint. Do you think he's done this year? Yeah. Yeah.

I do. He's got all the records. It's only hurting his per game stats after this. They're not going to win the count. Minutes are down too, are they not? He's playing third line for the first time. I don't know. I don't know anything, but anything.

Just talking on. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. It's game time. Presented by Bet 365. Visit the App Play to Stodds. and see why it's never ordinary at 3.65, it's 19 plus, Ontario only.

Please play responsibly. So like I said to you guys, now that I'm kind of back on talking baseball, like kind of. Why? Because I am. Like, I'm just like, I'm starting to be able to, like, have conversations about it. Yeah, like, I'm getting close to being able to, like, maybe watch a highlight from one of the games. Like, I'm... Can you be careful?

Because you're going to turn us into overdrive where we got to talk about everything. I'm not interested in that. Oh, you don't do Raptor Talk? No. I hear they're looking pretty good. I don't care. Like curling, like tennis, please stop. I'm just going to bring up what the world series odds are for next season and who the

favorites are. Jays, I bet aren't even in the top five. Correct. Are they in the top ten? The biggest favorites are the LA Dodgers at plus 350. I mean, the Yankees at plus 750 is just flat out wrong. They are not a good baseball team. They can't catch the ball, can't hit the ball.

Whatever Buck said. The Jays are 20 to 1. 20 to 1. There's a bunch of teams in between them, including the Braves, Red Sox, Mets, Astros, Mariners. The Mets? The Mets. I guess they're just going to spend money.

Yeah, I guess it's just looking at that. I just wanted to make sure that you guys knew that was part of the healing process. Looking at the ice tonight. Yeah, you know, you guys like it when I'm in a good mental space. Jordan Biddington and the Blues heading to Buffalo to take on the sabers. He probably won't be a net. Cairo is a healthy scratch. Yeah.

Good vibes in St. Louis is here. Jim Montgomery's awesome. Yeah, he wasn't happy last night. The Buffalo Sabres, yes, those Buffalo Sabres are minus 150 favorites on home ice against the blues, plus 125 for the blues. The ducks are in Dallas to take on the stars. Ducks in Dallas, great matchup on the ice. Jersey's both not very good. Plus 150 for the Anaheim, ducks minus 180 for the Dallas stars.

And a little later on, probably the best game in the night. the Tampa Bay Lightning's are in Vegas to take on the golden nights Tampa plus 100 on the money line Vegas minus 120 That's a good number on Vegas boy Yeah really good number. Anyways, that was game time

presented by Bet365 visit the app Play this Dodd and see why it's never ordinary at Bet365 as 19 plus Ontario only Please play responsibly All right let's take a quick break here We'll tee up a few more of those games That Sammy just mentioned We'll talk about the Canucks a little bit

with their third period collapse and what we think of the Chicago Blackhawks. Codry played a thousand, too. Does that mean? Codry's 1,000th game. Traded! We'll talk about that situation and more when we return

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is we will not be on air tomorrow. Right. We got to go and play a marginal game of hockey. We are raising money for Easter Seals through Eric Lindrosse's fine work. Yeah. If we can put that on the board one more time, just to see if we can raise a little bit more money. We actually put ourselves in a position to raise almost 20,

$5,000, we're about $4,000 short. So thank you so much to everybody that's donated to our listeners. It means a lot. It's really cool seeing the amount of people that are chipped in and obviously such a worthwhile cause. So we're grateful. Yeah, we are. And Kipper and I are going to the draft tonight, I think, right?

Yeah, we are after the show. After the show. Borny's got to go coach a high-level hockey game tonight. Here we go. Yeah. Go tornadoes. Oh, yeah. Some talk about cadry last night.

Obviously, it has not been a very good story. for Calgary, but a feel-good story for a guy that's had a heck of a career so far. But it, you know, doesn't look done by any stretch here. He scored an amazing goal on his 1,000th night, shared with family and friends. And I think it's pretty apparent right now that he is the one chip that Craig Conroy has that Anderson's for sure is in play as well. But Cadry as a depth guy with Stanley Cup experience and still can have moves that can produce 60, 70 points of season

is still a very valuable chip right now for the Calgary Flames to play. Should have a leave for life. Every time I see him, it makes me sad. Yeah, it's been tough for leave. these fans that he's been as effective as he's been since he left God those drinks are beautiful too

was told to leave yeah that's a beautiful sweater so what do you think Kip how soon we talk and where are we thinking what he got in mind for what's possible well first of all everybody knows that over the last few years it's been the right handed D man that everybody

wants and right now it's the flavor for a lot of teams right now is depth or Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, if we're going to just name a few here across the country. Montreal's interesting. Would love Cadre, all of them.

Yeah. Like, is Montreal really in that spot here, nine and three to start the years, grab a Cadry after getting Dobson? Like, how quickly is this turning around for them? Well, he's got two more years after this year, right, at seven? Yeah, at least I think it might be more than that, no?

I think it's at least two. It might be three. It is three. It's three after this. Yeah. That's a big swing from Montreal. If much, if, uh... It's only seven, though.

If, but you could bring it down to five. Yeah, I mean, if you bring it down to five, he's an asset. You've got to pay to get it. Yes. And that's the whole idea for Calgary is that someone's going to give you two pieces or maybe three. Mm-hmm. A first rounder.

and a blue chip prospect and then a B plus or B minus prospect. Montreal has such things, right? If Montreal is in a position now to challenge for the Atlantic, why wouldn't you take a chance on a guy like that getting you to an Eastern Conference final as early as this season? Now he has a full no trade, right?

No, he's down now to 13 teams. My understanding is Carolina is on the list. that he will not go there. I feel bad for them now. I'm starting to really feel bad for them. Do you think Montreal would be on the list as a form relief is like not one of... He will go to Montreal. He would go to Montreal.

Dad's a diehard Habs fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, of all the best way in the league, I don't think Vancouver's, I don't think Vancouver has any issues either. Vancouver, I mean, that Vancouver seems, talking about our mid-HL drop. They seem pretty mid. I don't know if that's the move that they should be making right now. I would agree with you.

That's probably not ideal. that's the type of market that wants to make the playoffs now but why you mean Vancouver yes yeah yeah yeah because they want to make I mean that's when one of the planes the other one I hear too is go back to Colorado that makes a ton of sense to me is that makes a ton of sense to me yeah you know you got McKinnon Brock Nelson Jack Durry and Zakar Bardacoff yeah uh down the middle right now Brett Nelson is a guy that can easily move to the wing. Yes, he certainly is. Right?

I just really, I know there's a lot of Leaf fans listening to our show. Cadre on the Habs is one of the most night. What about inducing things possible? The Leafs. This is my nightmare. Yeah. Calgary won't trade them. We've done this three times already.

Yeah, it's a. Tanev, Zadora. We've done this already. Like, it won't happen. It just, for whatever reason. it just looks like Calgary wants nothing to do with Brad Tree Living. It's tough timing considering they've been like the number one seller for And to be honest, if you gave me the choice of Cadre or Rasmus Anderson,

I'd probably take Anderson. Yeah. I love Rasmus Anderson. Me too. He's a great mix of can shoot and play offense and can run into people and least have some passion. Did you see that? Run his mouth a bit?

You see the clip of them after Cadre scored that goal? Rasmus Anderson went up to him and was like, you want that pot? And he's like, nah, I'm good. What? Cadrew said, no, I'm good. I mean, that's a guy that's one in the cop. He's probably got a lot of things in his place.

But I like that clip. Yeah. Asked him. The issue with Anderson is you could trade for me, but I'm not going to sign with you, maybe. I'm going to sign in Vegas. Right. So that's. You'd have to get a sign and trade.

You'd have to know what you're getting it. You've got to know for sure that he's going to sign with you. No guarantees. You got some sound. Sound four, Sammy? Did you want to do... I mean, it's kind of a Leafs conversation. It's kind of a media conversation.

The Ryan Reeves thing from Spit and Chicklets. What was the listener name that sent that to us, Forney? That I hadn't seen this, but do you want to play it? When you can react off of it? Okay, with that, for sure. Well, I mean, will you bring up baseball? The listener is... I promise I won't bring a baseball.

Okay, then play it. Some variety. Yeah, play the clip there, Derek, and then we'll react on. It's been incredible, and I'm sure last year was, like, tough at times, right? and like now it must feel at least from my perspective like you just matter a little bit more to the sharks right like there's so many bodies in Toronto and like you got these young guys people aren't going to do to them with you out there like is that a feeling you have as well yeah you know it's hard to it's hard to describe but I just feel like a little bit more myself here you know I think in Toronto it's just a little more a little more corporate everything's a little more you know you got people hovering over you all the time you're You do an interview in Toronto and they're running down and be like, hey, don't say this. It's like, well, then you do the interview, you know what I mean? It's like here they don't come tell me what to do.

You know, it's, I just feel like I'm a little freer to be myself here and just a little more comfortable. So, you know, when you're a little more comfortable, you play better, you have more fun and it's just how it is. So, yeah, I'm curious to get your thoughts on that because you have on several occasions this year said like, hey, how are these guys letting? these guys talk how is that PR team of this team not the leaps but how was that PR team not ahead of Dustin wolf or ahead of well you know yeah I know but we're talking about Canada and we're talking about San Jose there Ryan like they don't really tell you what to say because they don't really care yeah it's going out the window it's what do they have the ocean air one person two people around there like of course you're free to say of course they're

not overly worried. Right. The Toronto Maple Leafs are worth $4.25 billion, according to Sportico, and the San Jose Zay Sharks are just over one. Yeah. It's a massive billion dollar organization. We're not even on the same planet, you know, when it comes to. So you think it's right then that things are handled more closely here.

There's more at stake. Thank you, Sammy. There's tons at stake here. And it's also very funny. It's like, you know, so you're able to play freer and things are going better. It's like, uh, the team's worse. Yeah, they're the worst time. So I get what he's saying and I'm glad it's glad he's enjoying himself and I'm glad there's a,

there's a role for him there and being embraced and that's great. But you're giving us apples and oranges. Yeah, it is funny because I think people that heard that may have seized on it. Like, see, Toronto is too, you know, this, that of the other thing. It's like, well, just as you mentioned. stakes it's different it's it's not the same thing so i mean it's got a rock for him to go from playing from playing here where there's a lot of attention and you're playing and then to going to live in california where no one cares you get to skate around with these young guys

and have fun no expectations of playoffs and again to sammy's point with the the big business of especially m lsce like go and see how the PR department works with the dallas cowboys or the New York Yankees or the Liverpool or come on. You don't just to go in a pile there and shoot your mouth off and think that there might not be any

consequences or repercussions because of it. Yeah, it's like getting treated to Jacksonville Jaguars being like, boy, they sure do things differently here than in Dallas. Yeah. It's like, yeah. You're the Jaguars. Listen, Reeves has had an effective start to his season. As you mentioned,

that's good and I'm glad for the guy personally, but also his idea. time is down like two minutes from us but anyway not to bring this back to the goalies but i will okay it's like the goalies are in the process you know we wouldn't have these problems you know we just had the wood board you wouldn't have you know you're in Canada you don't as a goalie you don't get to go to the media and say you know these guys need to do this better you they need to shoot better they need to make it like where do we as players get to go back in the post game and say yeah he's

needs to make a save there he we need better goal tending we we need he can't let that went in i would argue that coaches do that all the time i would argue that coaches do that all the time ever coaches do that all the time i'm not talking about coaches yeah i'm talking about players in that room yeah you don't hear awesome matthews boy stole he could mix in a save tonight you don't really hear that a whole lot never yeah i don't care what generation i don't care what era that is a no-no you they do do it though at the bar after no no back of the bus yeah black cloud club we used to call it as long as the goalies in the first four rows it is the it's the back of the bus conversation all right so where uh where the calling out does happen is happening in st louis that's one of

the things we've hit on a little bit with jordan kairus being scratched jim montgomery not too pleased with what's going on yeah and another reason why i thought they'd be on solid ground this year. He's a good coach. I think he's a great coach. Let's hear what he has to say about their play. Yeah. Well, this is unacceptable tonight.

It's that simple. We have to dig in and start in tomorrow morning when we wake up, have a good skate tomorrow, and get ready to play the Sabres tomorrow night, and show up for our fans, our city, and our owners. Dig in. Dig in.

I'm okay with Kairu or making an example of a $8 million player. They got to put the keys in their left pocket. I mean, he's shanking up golf balls. You've got to mix things up. Turn the hat around. I'm something else. God. Sid and Ovi tonight, 99th time they face.

That blew my mind. They've played each other 99 times. That's a career for a lot of players. I am very appreciative. Do we have any numbers overnight? 99 games. Like the head-to-head? Yeah.

It exists somewhere, but none of us have. I could look at that. I could find that. Wow. You can't, I? No. No, I can't. I'll look.

Is there any numbers? Like, would Crosby have 10 more points than OV? Would Ovi have 30 more goals than Sid? Sam's on it for us. I'm working hard here, boys. It's not a baseball set. It has been very cool. Let me ask you, who,

Who is next in this sort of Sid V-OV? Is it Celebrini Bedard? Is that what we're going to do for the next version? I'm not sold on Bedard. You don't think he's that tier yet? Not yet. Do you think he'll be that tier? I think he's going to be a very, very good player.

I just don't see... That was the top three faces of the league. That was, I think, we should be friends. I think we can still be best friends. of reviews for him. It was like, I like you, but you're not committed to him. So, uh, Sydney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin will go head to head for the 99th time in their careers.

Uh, 74 regular season, 25 playoffs. Both players have tallied over 100 points against one another with Crosby holding the edge in that category with 46 goals, 79 assists and 125 points. Geez. Well, Ovechkin owns more goals with 53 goals, 48 assists, and 101 points. Uh, Crosby and the Penguins have also combined for more. wins. Pittsburgh has 55, Washington has 43. That a 20-point

or 20-plus point lead for Sid there? Yep, there you go. Do you remember the dueling Hattrick playoff game? Yeah. That was an all-timer. It wasn't. It was great that they both scored but like it was over. The third goal that Sid scored, which was unbelievable bats out of mid-air, made it like 6-4 with 30 seconds left.

Right, right, right. But it was cool. It also was dueling Matthews Lainey Hattricks once upon a time. Yeah. Yeah, Linae scored an overtime. Yeah. Celebrini and who? You're looking around the Schaefer? Maybe.

I hope. Schaefer, Demito? I hope Connor Bedard could get there. I think if I just, I don't see it right now. It's just different with those two. They just, I don't know. They played against each other in the world juniors, the Canadian, the Russian thing,

them coming in at the same time, similar sort of hype around both of them, both of them living up to the hype. It's very different. It's just a, it's magic and bird. Like, it's just, it's a moment in time that there won't be recreated. Yeah. And we're getting close to the end here, boys.

You have to say, like, they're going to play their 99th time tonight. They'll play 100 against each other at some point this year. Like, how many more will there be? I mean, I don't think Sid's going to be playing for Dynamo Moscow. Ovi's playing for Minsk. So it's, it's, it's a hundred clean games between them or something. We're getting close to the end. Sat, actually.

I'm like, this could be also, like, the fourth. consecutive playoff miss for Sid like that's a we don't want that it's a tough number don't Canadians aren't going to miss oh you bad boy our thanks to Adam Oates for joining us earlier in the program

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