Real Kyper & Bourne - How the Canucks Can Move Forward With (or Without) Quinn Hughes

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

NHL on Sportsnet host David Amber joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to weigh in on if there should be a change in overtime, the points system, the dwindling numbers of Canadian teams not in the playoff picture, if it would be better to raise the issue in the Edmonton Oilers' net vs. the blueline, the thought of swapping Stuart Skinner and Jordan Binnington, how the Vancouver Canucks can (re)build around Quinn Hughes, and if they would be enticed to trade Hughes for Jesper Bratt and Simon Nemec. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee touch on William Nylander not playing in their game against the Washington Capitals and more on The Leafs Line! Finally, Nick and Justin wrap up the show with Gord Stellick (49:40) ahead of puck drop, Joseph Woll starting his 6th straight game, the changes in media coverages on the Leafs from his time as a general manager to now, and if the organization will benefit from an outgoing or quiet leader.  The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliate.

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After DA, we will get to, we'll get to some taxes. That DA is David Amber, studio host, hockey night in Canada, NHL on Sportsnet, and I don't know, probably on his last curl at the gym. I don't know what's going on, David. I think he's been sick. Listen, he... Something's going around, because Mike Fuda, of course. Hughes has been like six.

Yeah, he had been sick too. And I know. I didn't have that. And I had a man. We saw him today earlier. Glad to see he's feeling a lot better. And saw Ted Nolan today. Yeah, Ted Nolan.

Nice to meet him. Yes. Very cool. He was the Islander's coach when I was at camp there. Got to learn some good things from him. He was a great guy. I told him the story that we talked to, talked about with Ryan Getslap.

We're at the Easter Seals event. Yeah. About the 2014 Olympics when he was coaching Latvia. And they did this incredible set play where they sent. The lacrosse play. They sent the golf play. guy out on the change and hit him with a perfect breakaway pass and he did a fake

clapper backhand top corner on Kerry Price. The Canada won that came 2-1. Their goalie made like 56 saves. It was unbelievable. Latvia's a highlight of Latvia's hockey career. So Sainis Oslinch was on that team. Back in the dart while he played hockey. On the topic of maybe Foots being under the weather the last little while is the news out of

Washington, Sammy, that Willie Nealander is under the weather. will not play in a few hours for the Maple Leafs? He missed practice yesterday, maintenance. Good to go today, said the coach. He's good to go? That's what the coach said yesterday. Oh, okay. Yeah.

All right, I thought you mentioned maybe he's out of the lineup today. But I'm just saying that it was mentioned yesterday that he's going to be good to go. Okay, all right. And then today he is, in fact, not good to go. Okay. So that just came down. Ocular migraine. We had spoken that maybe Max Domi, it was looking like maybe he would have been

out of the lineup but clearly they're going to have to not only put him in but count on him in a top six scenario here yeah yeah the uh Dakota Joshua is drawing back in yes and I think I haven't heard who else is drawing in but the way it looks right now you wouldn't need domi might still be out right nize Matthews Robertson Cowan Tavares Nielander Joshua Waugh McMahon Lawrence Lawton Yarncrock Yeah that sounds right Yeah

So maybe Chelle out Yeah And Nielander out And Domeo Maybe not I don't know Maybe he'll draw in if

Oh sorry I read it with Nealander in You're right You're right I'm dumb, you're smart It's okay It's all right You're cool

I get it Can we save that clip there Derek Did you want to mention the Oilers Yeah they're also hurt At a tough time This is similar to what the Leafs went through When things were going bad They took some blows here, Jack Roslavik

Out for what could be a couple of weeks So good. 17 points in 22 games He's been really good for them I watch a lot of Oilers Because I'd know Shotden Freud and Miserylough's company He was like hugely important

He was playing in every big situation He scored multiple playoff Oh is a playoff Not playoff yet Multiple overtime winners Like he's been really good for them For that's a big blow Capitan

But they're getting right they're getting Ryan Nugent Hopkins back maybe tonight or tomorrow so and someone else maybe her too. A Walman, right, Wallman out for an undisclosed amount of time. I know that we're doing kind of non-specific directional things

here. Is this my window to bring something up with Kip? Yes. Kip, we've recently been talking about overtimes and the problem with it and how it's been slow and painful and get rid of it and yada yada. I got a thoughtful note from someone

who was talking about something you'd be familiar with, which is when there was just ties. Games just ended in ties. And how bad that made the end of games for bad teams. And the reference I got was like the Colorado Rockies were terrible. And so if they were tied in the third period, it was like, Hold on for dear life. Hold on you, ice the puck because there's no punishment then.

Remember you used to hold the puck against the boards? Oh, yeah. Just pin it for long periods of time. Guys are just jackknife. Yeah. And how that, you know, wasn't great either. Yeah. And so, you know, kind of looking for a solution to that.

And that brought overtime into the league. The glass was actually so short. They grabbed the glass. By the way, in this note, follow-up side note, did you know your dad scored the first regular season overtime goal in NHL history? Who? My dad.

An 87 win over the caps apparently. First OT winner in league history. Are you kidding me? Do you have the puck? I don't know. I just found out this morning. That's unbelievable. That's kind of a cool thing

But anyway, the point was that OT didn't use to be Sorry, no OT wasn't good either No, no, no, for sure But I do believe that What we need to focus on Is changing the environment Around the play Instead of changing the play

So I don't know what the answer is Three points, two points, one points. Absolutely. Got it's so easy. How about how about awarding a half a point if you're leading you know with 10 minutes to go and you close out the game

I don't know but to me a half of point that's been a little trick no I'm just I'm throwing stuff out there that instead of actually changing the game don't change the game leave it alone make a few adjustments to the point systems whatever it may be

321 is it to reward to reward better behavior in that area. I saw them talking about this on the very good wingmen podcast. Oh, did they? If I sort the league by regulation wins, the avalanche have 16 regulation wins in 23 games. They're first in league, 17, 1 and 5.

The next highest team has 12 in 24 games. So the second best team in the league has only won 12 of their 24 games in regulation. That's not right. It ain't right. Okay, let's welcome in David Amber, studio host of Hockey Night in Canada, NHL on Sports. and a very, very close and personal friend of the real Kipper and Boren Show. DA, how are you, my friend? How are you guys doing?

Good. Before we get into, you know, what the heck's going on with Canadian teams, can we pick up this conversation on overtime with you? And in terms of what you see and is this a growing concern before we start hearing that it's at the top of the agenda for GMs and boarded guys? governors to fix this thing? Like, how urgent is it becoming now, watching overtime, and teams manipulating almost half the time of it with regroups?

Yeah, I mean, I think they need to change the point system. And I like the fact you guys are throwing out some ideas, because it's just so hard. And here's the funny thing, there's so much parity in the league, right? and we're looking and you say, wow, Toronto's, you know, near the bottom in their conference, but they're, you know, they're 10 points out of first or nine points out of first. Like, it's so jammed between, you know, from the top to the bottom and picking up points is so difficult because so many games, I don't know what, I don't know if I wasn't listening right at the beginning.

Do you guys give the percentage of games that are going to overtime this year? No, go ahead. No, I don't know. Oh, it's 20, 20 percent. And what's it usually? I actually, to be honest, I have no idea what it usually is. I just read that in an article this morning. Yeah, I mean, there's so many three-point games.

It's really, really tough to gain leverage. And I think the simplest math would be three points for regulation win, two for an overtime win. And maybe that's it, right? Three for an overtime win and two for an – three for a regulation win, two for an overtime win. And I don't even know if you give the loser point out anymore. So you really – you kind of – you can get a separation. there, you know what I mean, where you can then really have teams who are winning games be rewarded, not just, oh, you lost the game, we're going to give you a point, the loser

point, you know, which seems kind of crazy to give out points when teams are losing. So there should be, there just needs to be a better mathematical system in place, I think. And, you know, and Kipper's point about the manipulating overtime, I mean, I remember Brian Burke saying, you know, there should be some rule where you have to pass center and you can't retreat on your own side of center ice, and you have to have a shot. shot, you know, he was trying to say this 10 years ago. He's like, oh, we need a shot clock. If you don't put a shot on net in 20 seconds, you lose possession.

I'm like, well, how's that going to work? You know, he said, I don't know, we'll have to figure that out. The last thing we need is to make these kids think any more than they have to. Like, it'd be like watching wood burning on the ice. Like all the, did we regroup twice? Do we have to do it a third time? I forgot what's going on here? Do I need to watch a shot clock while I'm getting my head ripped off?

I mean, please. I think it's absolutely crazy to think that we're going to start tweaking this thing to the point where we believe it's that important, yet we laugh at it if it ever was considered for the playoffs. You know what I mean? What about one simple rule? You cannot, you cross center rights with possession. You can't go back across center.

So it just forces you to be moving forward. I don't like a shootout. Like you're going to go across center ice. You have the puck. You can't willingly bring it back the other way. The only problem is then what happens. They blow the whistle and like this is the thing. That's the last thing anyone wants to see is a bunch of stop and go, stop and go.

So it's tough. But I think there's some things they've got to tweak and work on for sure. Yep. It's definitely slowed down. Okay. Before I want to get into details of what you think, maybe across the country, what is it like now sitting beside you every night watching Canadian teams, like not doing as well as, like I've been, I've had the privilege of watching

games with you. I do know you're emotionally attached to a lot of this. I mean, is it tough these days being David? Why his immune system is breaking down. He's emotionally fragile. Is it tough being David Amber right now and watching Canadian team struggle? Well, I can't, I think I can link, uh, link my. my sickness right now to the performance

of the Canadian teams potentially. I don't know. It does fall going hand in hand. It hasn't been a good start, fellas. We know that. Having said that, Brady Kachuk is returning tonight for Ottawa. The Leafs are getting healthier. We've seen that. Montreal is coming off a big win a few nights ago. Calgary is playing much better.

I'm really looking for some silver linings here. Oh, come on. What are you doing? using Craig Broomie's glass right now. Well, yeah, no, it's been a rough start. Listen, you know the Elliott Friedman, 77% of teams on American Thanksgiving

who aren't in a playoff spot or 77% of teams who are in a playoff spot on the American Thanksgiving make the playoffs. I think this is the year that that's going to be a total anomaly. I think it's going to be, you know, closer to 60% or 65%. And what I mean by that is just, I see,

a handful of teams that currently aren't holding down a playoff spot in both the east and the west making the playoffs. And all that is to say is there's incredible parody which goes back to our last conversation and the Canadian teams are part of that. I mean the idea that

Edmonton and Winnipeg aren't going to make the playoffs I have a hard time believing that, right? And even the least for that matter, I think I've definitely a distinct chance despite the fact they've played pretty poorly so far this year. It's a weird

listen, the Canadian teams that's been rough but Kipper, we've been through this before. We all remember, you know, second year of the sports net deal, not a single Canadian team made the playoffs. There was another year, I think the fourth year. Yeah, the fourth year, I think one Canadian team made the playoffs

and we had no Canadian teams in the final eight. You know, we've been spoiled in the last, you know, handful of years with a lot of Canadian teams and, you know, Oilers being in back-to-back cup finals. I'm still holding out hope we have a Canadian team that can make a deep run, and I'm still holding out hope that, you know,

I mean, we might not get five Canadian teams into the Stanley Cup playoffs this year. That might be asking a lot, but I still would like to think there's going to be four. Are you more? I shouldn't even compare teams. I guess what is going on with Edmonton here for you? You know, I've watched a few of the, or many of their games this year. They are pretty similarly built. Everyone's making ruckus about the goaltending,

but like it doesn't seem like they should be this much worse. We should be in their turnaround time after their usual slow start. J.B., you know, what surprised me watching? They were the only game in town on Tuesday night versus Dallas. And that was horrific. I mean, they look completely disinterested. And it wasn't about giving up the first goal or giving up the second goal. It was that there was no pushback, no passion, no purpose in their play.

And you're kind of going, what the heck's going on here, right? And that surprised me. And that's what concerns to be. And now, Roscovic is out for several weeks they've announced. So, yeah, that's not good news. Rothlovick's been one other more consistent contributors and it's, you know, been important for them to find their offense. So I'm a bit concerned about Edmondson.

I, you know, whether a lot of people on the optimistic side of things, says they're taking the same approach that the Florida Panthers take, right? Like they're taking the, like, who cares where we finish? Just make the playoffs. if we make the playoffs, we're going to be a hard out. And it doesn't matter if we have to start on the road or not. And, you know, history will show that. Three years ago, Florida was the eighth seed, made it to Stanley Cup final.

The Kings in 2014 were the eighth seed. St. Louis, when they won the Cup in 2019, I don't know what seed they were, but they, you know, were last place in the NHL, January 3rd. So there has been stories of teams having great success playoff-wise and not having great success in the regular season leading to that. So I'm not in panic mode, but the level, The lack of interest with the Oilers in their performance and how they played, that shocked me a little bit on Tuesday.

I'll say that was probably the worst I've seen. Like it's on home ice, just total disinterest. With the exception, you know, of one has Bobrosky and the other one that has Skinner. And I agree with a lot of people out there, especially the word coming out of Edmonton in their dressing room DA is like, our issues are well beyond just our goaltender here.

And of course, yeah, they're a mess defensively. And guys are having underwhelming years for sure on that blue line. But at this point, there's a few things they've got to fix. But wouldn't you just start in that right now and just do whatever you can humanly possible to rectify a situation in that? net and get somebody else. What do you do, Gipper?

That's the thing. Sorrows, and how do you do sorrows? Bennington is the guy. Yeah, Bennington. Jordan, because St. Louis is vulnerable. They're not going to resign him to a long-term deal. He wants to play longer. There's a history, you know, there's a chemistry with McDavid from four nations.

He's considered a gamer. Like, if you're going to roll the dice on any goalie out there, I think it should be Bennington. Yeah, you know, it's funny that when we talk about whether it's the Leafs or the Oilers with, you know, a chance to change the makeup of their lineup, of all the teams of the NHL, the Leafs and the Oilers to me are in the toughest spot because they don't have a lot of draft capital.

They don't have a lot of top end prospect capital. So then you're actually having to take players off your current roster to add a goaltender like Binnington. And I'm just wondering how they get it done. I'm not saying it can't be done. I was wondering how they get it done. Well, you move Skinner's contract out at, I think, two and a half, if I'm not mistaken. And then you got to say goodbye to a guy like Adam Henrique's at $3 million.

And that'll open up a room. And you think St. Louis would do that? They're going to trade Bennington. No, I don't think that. I think that's just you may have to move Henrique's somewhere else. but the easiest way to kind of free up your cap is around that $3 million range go look at the guys that are expendable right now

making $3 million around the league he's the one guy that I picked out of their lineup I don't know if St. Louis takes them or you ship them off somewhere else but that's some cap freedom right there and then there's no world where you bring another goalie in and you keep Skinner right it's just it's over let the guy go

somewhere else and I think I think St. Louis would be happy to get out of Bennington's contract again for next year knowing that there's a major rebuild and they've got other goalies now that they're looking at moving forward. I think it's possible. That's interesting. In 20, I'll go back to Tuesday's game again.

You know, Skinner got pulled after allowing four goals in the first period. He made the save. he made the initial save on three of the four goals and Bouchard and Kulak, et cetera, were standing there, letting guys get rebounds, you know,

getting beat to the positioning, not getting their stick in the right lanes, and they were, you know, tap in second chance goals. So, and I'm not letting Skinner off the hook by any means, but my point is I do think when you said

there's been a lot of defensive breakdowns, there really have been a lot of defensive breakdowns, and the goaltending's been poor, to say the least. but it's going to take more than Jordan Biddington with how the defense is played in front of Skinner for this to really turn around in my opinion. But at least, you know,

at least with a guy like Binnington, maybe there's that greater level of confidence, essentially. What were your thoughts when you heard that Vancouver was putting a bunch of their veterans on the trading block? You know, kind of the opposite of Calgary, where they have come out and said, we're going in a different direction. You know, even though in Calgary,

people think they should in Vancouver, they've decided that this is going to happen. Yeah, my God, it's November. Right, it's early. I mean, my first thing, guys, I said, is, what does this mean for Quinn Hughes? Like, they have this world talent. They have this elite, top player, you know, top five, six player in the world talent in Quinn Hughes. You know, what does this mean?

You know, how many guys are moving and how are they going to facilitate? this and how is this going to keep, you know, what's going to be the foundation that's left afterwards? So I really, that too me really kind of opened up like, wow, you know, what's happening here? If everyone's on the block and everyone's available to be moved, and what does that mean for Quinn Hughes? Because to me, that's the number one thing, because if they're going to move a bunch of veterans, I can't imagine Quinn Hughes is going to be sitting there and going, okay, great, this is what I'm signed up for. I mean, I signed up for more years of it. that to me is the only real big conversation

that needs to have to take place and you know there's all this smattering of well he wants to join his brothers in New Jersey and da-da-da you know they've got to get to the bottom of that they can't have that blow up in their face you know Quinn Hughes could could get a lot a lot a lot of return so here's something I was throwing this out there let me let me know what you guys think

all right what I think you know if they're if they're going to if they're going to search shop around guys Would you do Yesper Bratt and Simone Nemitz, the defenseman? I think he was taking second overall. He's scoring all these overtime goals for Quinn Hughes. I would do it running. I would pound the okay approved trade button as soon as they would let me. For New Jersey or for?

If I'm New Jersey. If I'm New Jersey. Quinn Hughes, you know, the difference between a good D-Man and, Quinn Hughes is vast to me, DA. And, you know, I think Nemmich is... And I'm squeezing more out of... Bag of Magic Bean, still. I'm squeezing more out of New Jersey, I can tell you that.

Two first round picks plus... I don't know about five pieces, Sammy, and three first rounders, but two... It's a fifth and then, I'm not arguing. I'm just talking about the players in general, like Brat, Nemitz, plus, plus. Yeah, and if you got a couple of their first round. The answer is yes. Because he's not staying. It doesn't feel like he's staying.

And if that's the case, and now you're actually saying, well, we're trading everyone or we're not trading everyone, but we're open to moving whomever, then you're not even encouraging him to stay, right? Three years ago, there was a reason for Queen was to stay. You know, they were game seven of the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs. There was a lot of promise in Vancouver.

Last year was an unmitigated disaster, and this year has been pretty poor as well. So it's trending poorly. To me, that's the first conversation is about Quinn Hughes. And if he's not going to stay, then we need to leverage as much as we can to get in return for him. There is a feeling like they'd like to get a few of these deals that end up being attention-seeking at the trade deadline

out of the way sooner than later, so they could focus maybe on Quinn Hughes as close as this year's trade deadline. so make a few auxiliary moves earlier and then at the trade deadline focus on that you want to maximize the return on him and his present contract i think so that means that under the current contract before he jumps to his 15 million or 17 million he's currently underpaid by 10 million a year so but you you want that in on this year's playoff run and next year's playoff run and Vancouver turns around and says, okay, then I get to really maximize now four or five pieces. At the end of the day,

you're going to exclude a lot of teams from trading for him for Max's return because he wants to play with his brothers. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's complicated for sure, but I agree with what you're saying, Nick, in the sense that two playoff runs at his current salary cap hit is unbelievable. I mean, if Quinn Hughes gets traded to New Jersey,

I imagine they become the Stanley Cup favorites, potentially. I mean, and that's not with disrespect to Colorado, but he is a difference maker. No player has to puck on their stick more in any game or during the course of the year than Quinn Hughes. He changes the whole flow and pace of the game, kind of like Cal McCarr. We all know how good he is

I'm just wondering if they need to be more proactive and it's not that they want to do it but they can see the writing on the wall if you're the Vancouver management be as proactive as you can and you're right I think I think trading them in this calendar year with two playoff runs under the salary cap hit is a massive massive benefit to whoever gets them

it sure is pal hey listen really appreciate you stopping by on this Friday for us. Hope you feel better. Yeah, thanks, DeA. Thanks, fellas. Enjoy the weekend and enjoy the games tonight. David Amber, Hockey Night in Canada,

NHL on Sportsnet. So do you think Hughes would settle for being around his brothers? Like... Philly, New York. I'm looking at the Rangers. The Rangers have two first round picks in this upcoming draft. Bears and... And Carolinas.

And they have their 27 and 28. Oh, Keanu Miller. right so they have four first rounders in the next three years the rangers do they're kind of doing a soft turn around on things i mean good to hang out still can i remind you jimmy rutherford last season saying he said before he wants to play with his brothers if you really want to go back to where this started unraveling it was when jimmy rutherford publicly said he wants to play with his brothers. He doesn't want to play near his brother.

The wheels fell off. But I mean, hold on. You can't put it on Jim Rutherford. That's like saying whoever reported the news made the news. No, no, no, no. I believe that once you went public out there, then it has this effect on your whole organization. We've been talking about,

Quinn Hughes now, since Jimmy Rutherford volunteered publicly the information that he wants to play with his brothers. Yeah, his gym's saying, this guy wants to play with his brothers. We love the, you know, good for us. Yeah. Talk, talk radio, talk podcasts. Jimmy, thanks. But I'm not sure how it benefited the organization by you coming out publicly and saying that he wants to play with his brothers. I'm doing, Monday show, we're doing Quinn Hughes' fake trade.

I'm going to do it for our national hours Philly has to our first rounders in the next three years To your point though He didn't say he doesn't say he wants to play around his brother Yeah He said he wanted to play With his brothers

Does that how do you feel about the competitive You know I don't know like are they then just content We're all making 10 mil We're with each other we're happy Like we're pretty content with whatever happens Maybe we'll get summers off Or do you feel like you know

Like if you're in New Jersey It's like, are we doing this for the right reasons? That's another conversation. Well, I mean, Jack's, I think we want to date with Tate McCray. He's doing just fine. Well, the life's pretty good. But you have said before about players wanting to come to Toronto and I've been like, oh, he's willing to take a pay kit to come here.

But part of the reason you don't find that appealing is because that's the end goal. It's like, oh, I get to be in Toronto. I wanted to be at home. Now I get to be at home. Play in Toronto. I always wanted to wear the jersey. This is great. Get to do it.

It's not necessarily like doubt the best chance for me to win. cup it's like i just want to be home yeah like geo works for the team now doesn't he oh yeah like it's like you just you you said that from the start you're like hey he's coming here he's going to sign a series he's going to retire he's going to work for the team a lot of guys i want to do that i mean was christana's going to work for the team oh yeah yeah absolutely muzzan works for the team spats it worked for the team this is the point yeah i i don't want to label everybody to sit there and say that it's it makes you soft it makes you

comfortable it doesn't push you to win by the way Quinn Hughes can go to New Jersey and to your point be a difference maker and help them win a Stanley cop of course right and he's

he strikes me as a driven guy he doesn't strike me as a guy that is just looking for comfort he he looks like like his mission in life is to be as one of the best players maybe in history. I don't know, but that guy, he could help you win a Stanley Cup.

The aisles have four first rounders the next three years. Yeah, I get that. That makes sense. I'll, you know, Schaefer and Hughes. Oh, my God. You never get to touch the puck. Yeah. Like, when they're on the ice, they have it.

I, yeah. I mean, our boy, um, uh, Strick, Andy Strickland fired up the masses. remind me what he said he's just like he's gone he's gone that's prepare for it he's gone everybody i talk to who i think have are are in are in whatever inner circle you want to talk to listen everybody's got a chance to change their mind of course but everybody says the same thing he's not going back no kidding so until he says anything different until he says anything different until he wakes up one morning and feels differently,

changes his mind, which everybody has the right to do, then Vancouver's best to prepare to maximize a return for Quinn Hughes rather than in two years watching him walk out the door

for nothing. Well, and hey, if I can make Vancouver Canucks fans feel a little better. Well, they're not listening today, so you're good. You know, the whole misery loves company thing. These conversations are going to be happening in Edmonton and Toronto if they don't win some games.

It could happen this summer with McDavid. They missed the playoffs. Matthews too. Yeah, totally. And that's a moving target. Nothing lives forever, nothing stays forever. Yeah, that's the way it works. What's Devin Cooley say?

We're all going to die one day. Nothing matters? No, nobody cares. Nobody cares. Which is very true in so many ways. It's game time. Presented by Bet365. visit the app's the latest odds and see why it's never ordinary at bet 365 must be 19 plus Ontario only please play responsibly

lots of action already already done today but we got a few games starting at 3 30th Tampa with a big win in Detroit yeah they uh that's good for the Leafs I know we're but Tampa is just going to win the division as well as Detroit yeah there are now 10 points up in the Leafs I think that's what David but the uh the Red Wings are starting to stink they've lost three in a row, right? And now they're back to back tomorrow, Boston.

Yep. Anyways, action on the ice. A lot of games starting at 4 o'clock, including the Montreal Canadians in Vegas for a 407 Eastern time puck drop. So 1 p.m. puck drop in Vegas. Give me the golden nights. That's a weird puck drop time.

Vegas, you know, they would have been there yesterday. American Thanksgiving. They would have had the day off before getting there. I like the gold nights in that one at minus 200. Montreal. You know, some young guys in that team. Probably had a good time yesterday. Oh, you think.

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must for anything plus on tarant only please play responsibly and before we go to break it's least game day so you can score a Popeye's chicken sandwich for only six dollars in classic or spicy i prefer the spicy give me three uh making on the way to the game tonight that'll get your feet going make it uh your new game day tradition get your six dollar chicken sandwich at a Popeyes near you you know the i believe in goal differential as it really a true teller of who's good and who's bad. Five worst teams in the league. Three of them are Canadian, Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton. What's their number? Edmonton's minus 18. Oof. St. Louis and Nashville at Dallas.

Minus a couple. I don't have it directly in front of me, but I have screened up. The best teams in the league at five on five, the Washington Capitals are in that group. It's Colorado, Tampa Bay, Dallas, Washington, Carolina. Those are four of the teams, I think, are the best in the league in Washington. So, Leaves in trouble.

They're in trouble tonight. I just should have gone Hill to beat the night. What's that? Should have gone Hill. The Leafs are actually minus 7, so not great. Like what? Like, this is, Kipper said it yesterday, I think. A bit of a scheduled owl here.

Just put Hill to be in there and hope for the best. Try to get the two points on Saturday night. It's kind of a... You're fighting for every point right now, boy. Although if they are able to pull it off, it would be... House money for Hill to be to be. Wow. House money, Hill to be.

It would be a... Maybe a season changer. I don't know. I mean, it depends how it looks, I guess, right? They're grasping for some sort of root to grab as they slide down the hill. Can we all give them another performance like he did in Columbus? He sure better. He's going to have to.

And one more quick thing before he had to break. Like I said, William Neelander, not playing tonight due to an illness. This is from yesterday. Brubay assures Neelander will play Friday. He was at the rink. in great spirits today. So. Well, you know, there's

going around. Well, well, things are happening. I don't know a lot. Disconnect. That's what it sounds like. Did you send our chat, our group chat, something on Willie Nealander.

Oh, I'm talking about this. I sent it. I regretted it immediately because you don't need any more reason. To rag on me. Were you kind of suggesting that Willie has issues with coaches? Yeah, that was my story. Today on 32 thoughts,

they were having a conversation about like that public access and these different things on like these documentaries or whatever. Yes. And apparently, according to Fridge, came up in conversation that there was a disagreement between Keith and Willie in one of those things and apparently they fought to not have it in there the Leafs and Willie and all that and they didn't put it in.

So that was what the story was. A few years ago, that's not that big of a huge. deal, is it? I don't think it is. Do you find it? I'm happy to hear that you think it's not a big deal. I mean, the only thing that worries me is how bad does it have to be for them to leave in Joe Thornton being like, we're in first place and have them leave that in. It must be pretty bad. Anyways, those documentaries aren't going anywhere. They're a big part now. I know, but, and I'm sure some, some teams like them more than others because it helps promote, but it's just a, it's just a reality now that this is the way we promote and Amazon's being involved a lot more.

Did you happen to see the random tweet I put out about Tyler Myers was miced up? It's like three and a half and nothing happens, right? It's a three and a half minute video compilation of the little things he says to his teammates and they see to him. I love it. Yeah, like he's very vocal on the ice. He's letting his teammates know where he is. You know, they're saying to him certain things about what do you want to do? with the face off, whatever.

And it's just really cool. I, you know, having been a player, I think I'm kind of, it's really good to be reminded how human those interactions are, like the one with Philopronic, where he's like, hey, shoot the puck, Phil. And he's like, I'll try to, Tyler.

You know, like, it's just a bunch of dudes. The, I love when he did his little toe drag in the bill that gets tripped. He's like, oh, MISY. MISY. This is so hockey. I love it. And the thing is, too, is just find the guys

that are okay with it. and find the guys that are actually good at it. He's good editors, too, to piece it together. No, no, no. At the end of the day, the teams are going to sign off on it. And to Elliot's point, that if an agent or a player doesn't like it, it stays out. But just find the guys that want to participate and do it. And actually, you know, like Myers can add value so a guy like you could get something out of it.

And the guys that don't stay away from it. What's hard, though, is you don't want to have to run. everything by management agents whatever you want the team wants to get these clips put them on Twitter everyone should enjoy that but you still have to be very careful about what goes out and what doesn't because well if you're mic'd up I think if you're miced up you know right like if it's like if they're catching you say something on a rink mic it's a different situation than you putting on a microphone and going out there and knowing that you are like I can only imagine when McDavid had his outburst in Florida that

it probably went back and forth on whether to include it or not. Definitely. I wish. I'd have fought for that hard were I, Amazon. I wish so bad. I watched this documentary or it was like a 16 minute video. I don't know when it was, like when it came out

or where it was from. And I've looked for it ever since. I've never been able to find it. It was Sid versus the Sharks. And it was like a compilation basically. Like I remember it was like leadership compilation. And it was just like Sid on the ice and on the bench. and there was this clip from it where

I forget who it was in the ice screwed up and they like he didn't he missed an empty net or whatever and the guy in the bench was like oh my god and Sid's like he knows he missed it's like who cares like forget it like you don't think he feels bad about it like it was just like this moment where you're like we're not doing that oh my god

I adore this guy but the whole thing was amazing I can't find it anymore someone knows what I'm saying it I remember it but there's like a longer thing than just that clip anyway he just I love that stuff He put the fire out. That's what he did. I just love the access stuff, but it's a fine line where it's like that I'm watching

Jack Eichael have dinner. And I'm like, okay, I don't care about this. But at the same time, it's like even if you, it's uninteresting, I think it's, we learn that a guy's uninteresting. Like, what would Austin Matthews mic'd up session sound like in a game? I'd love to know. But there's a guy that doesn't want it, he doesn't want it, he doesn't want it, doesn't want any part of it.

What's the same? What's the sound of a, he's excluded. Humbleweed going by. That's what it would sound like. There's a reason why he wasn't in the last one. And he doesn't want to. Yeah. And that's fine.

If it's not for you. Is it fine? Listen, that's, again, you're going down a different path of what you'd like or want. Why can't I go down the path? You can. I'm just telling you that it's, for me, it's black and white. You don't want to do it. You don't feel comfortable about it.

You don't have to do it. You're paid to play hockey. The bonus is that we get you to do stuff that helps promote it. But you don't have to. Austin doesn't like that stuff. You know, though, you talk about you're paid to play hockey, you know, when you're the captain Leaves, there's more to it.

And I believe Don Draper once said, Madman, that's what the money's for. Yeah. We expect you to do some stuff here. I disagree with you. Yeah, some stuff, but there's lines to be drawn. Yeah. And certain players draw them.

And that's Austin. We should go. Okay. We'll take a quick break. Are we texting? 595. Yeah, that's 595. Want to get anything off your chest.

You got beefs with J.B. We actually have some leafline collars. Oh, my God. Can we get to break? Yeah, let's break. You have problems with Sammy. Edmonton fans. Winner hit Sammy hard.

Texas at 595.90. Back after these wars. All right, bringing it home on this Friday. Stretch run here. Extra half hour. Gordon Stelik outside the doors. And is outside waiting for his turn. Thank God we get paid a little extra today.

Isn't that nice? I'm not going to happen. Let's play a call. Okay. Todd in South Florida, right there. A quick question for you and the boys. Would you consider trading Matthews for Quinn Hughes, straight up one-for-one deal, if that was something that was ever put on the table?

Love to hear your thoughts. Take care, guys. Love the show. keep save Matthews some money being his Uber driver to the airport I was going to say consider

there's no considering yeah it just happens to be exactly what the Leafs need that is the most undeal of all time in my opinion Vancouver would never do it well nobody will nobody really wants to trade

for an Austin Matthews right now until there's some signs that he is the player that you've seen in the past and worthy of $13.5 million. Can I ask you guys a question? Do you think he regrets not taking eight years? No, I still think he'll get...

You still think somebody's going to give him eight years full boat when he's up? Yeah. You do? Yeah, I think he's going to be a 40 goals score. It's a long ways away. It's two years away. Yeah. And if he doesn't have any signs of being a threat as a premier goal score,

the answer, Sam, he is not. No, he won't get it. He won't, he won't be that guy anymore. I would bet so much on this. There has to be 50 or 60 goal kind of look to him. 35 or 40 goals doesn't put him in a top 10 payment. If he scores 35 or 40 goals the next two years, he'll get over 13.25 per year.

If that's the case, it's not where, it's still nowhere near where he should. should be. I agree. He should score 55 and be in a Selke running and get 17. But if you're a 35 or 40 goal scorer right now, you are in the scope of $10 to $12 million, but he's not getting a big raise off of 13.

Yeah, it totally depends. You're right. It depends how the next couple of years look. I've just... And, you know, he can happily become a very good goal score in the National Hockey League, but he will no longer be. be special unless he brings back the magic that we've once watched.

Yep. Quick text here. A couple texts. As a longtime oilers, then, since 1978, I think the problem with the current edition of the Oilers is their general manager. Doors seems to be slammed in his face. Offer sheet deals backfire. His hands seem to be tied.

Then what good is he? Bowman should lose his job. Wow. Neil and Calgary, formerly of Edmonton. Neil and Calgary is great. Formerly of Edmonton. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I find those sort of things hard to weigh in on.

It's really hard to know how much freedom he has, which decisions he's making. I don't really know. But, you know, it's tough to argue that since he's gotten there, that they have surrounded those guys with the right cast. It hasn't worked yet. They've gotten pretty close. They've been decent.

I don't know. You? I'm sorry. I was paying attention. That's okay. Edmonton or Calgary, you were talking? Let's go the next one. Glad?

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Yeah. It really honestly got it. It's around 97, right? 97. What is he want? Where's he? Where's his involvement? Come on. Like any moves ever made? How do you not go through him? loop him in or loop in his agent or something where it's like you know so where is he emotionally with this hockey club moving forward here well here's a just from just in Toronto do you think Connor McDavid is an AGM of the Edmonton Oilers right now yes in many ways top players on their teams have tremendous influence. So, you know, call it what you want.

Yeah. Because like LeBron for years, the NBA was. The answer is yes. They do, they do have, they do have influence in personnel, including like who's a good guy, who's a bad guy, who do you want out of the room, right? Take a look at the changes from their Stanley Cup final to this year. no Perry Just and just know That your star players Can sit there and go Value value value no value value value And then it comes into play Not saying they make the decisions

But it has an influence Another one from Edmonton Glad Sammy's back Oh thanks bud Being from Edmonton The Coffee Shop Talk is all about Goaltending Everyone here has had enough

And the time has come to get someone Because if not Connor is gone The coffee shop talk is ironclad. The jari stuff is crazy to me. Is it? Yes. Why? That's just Stu Skinner East more expensive.

Oh, he's the career 905, six, something like that. You know how I feel. If you're doing a goal, if you're going to pull this one out, okay? This is your last crack. If the Titanic is. sinking. Go down with a proven winner. Not

Jari. And eight games this year has been 914. Not Jari. Okay? You're just guessing again. That's for me. If it's game one of the Stanley Cup final and you have a choice of starting Tristan Jari or Jordan Bittington. Who are you put in that? Okay. Can I tell you my hot take?

It's... Yes. Okay, just one more. It's like lose the shootout with Gretzky. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Totally. Yep. I'm in on that. Mark Crawford, if you're listening. All right, here's my hot take. If I were another team, I would be actively seeking Stu Skinner.

This guy to me, he's played me off the stage. This guy is a career, I think, 903, save percentage guy. He has been in back-to-back Stanley Cup finals. He's played big games. He's just 27 years old. He makes very little money. me there's not a lot of more desirable contracts and guys take a swing on get him out of the Edmonton spotlight a little bit wow what a zag I love it I don't think he's a bad guy to

I love that zag wow bring me Stu Skinner not to Toronto like maybe Steve Skinner can be a very good goalie for sure back up in Anaheim right but to me he's or guy that can go in or he can go in on a spot maybe go through a two week stretch of being very good that's the guy in thinking of. Yeah. A two and a half million? Is that what he is? Two and a half?

That's three or something like that. It's, you're right. Yeah. I got no problem with that. Come on on, come on in behind my 1A and be great in St. Louis. Yeah, really good. Anyway,

that's all. Where are you? I'm going to go. Why are you? Because Gord's coming in and I got to do a show to do. I got to get home. We get the electricity for another hour. 25 minutes.

Not an hour. How long? 425. We've got to be out. So 25 minutes. The electricity with you. I'm so confused. I'll help him.

It's 4. but there's these things called breaks and you've got to hit a hard out of 425-50. I'm just thinking about my first shift tonight. It's Coach Bankerina against Shorzy. You're going to fight Terry Ryan. I'm not fighting. That's why we got Darcy Tucker.

All right. Just like that, we lose Sammy, but we gain Stelichity. Gord Stelich when we return Unreal Kippin-Born. In for the stretch run on the Real Kipper End Born show. Out goes Sennie. And we'll into the gourd.

Yeah. He's wonderful. He's talented. Put your hans together for the lovely Gord. Thanks, Justin. Thanks, guys. How are you, buddy? I'm outstanding.

What reliever and am I coming in? Like a closer? You know, you think. thinking I'm Hoffman in the last inning holding a one-run lead. This is casual, right? It is, but we want no beach balls over the plate. The high heat. The high heat.

Bring the high heat today, Gordo. Yeah, so we're happy to have you. Thank you for taking the time to do it. We spend a little bit of time talking about the Toronto Maple Leafs in the first half of the show today. I guess I wrote something positive about the Leafs today that I feel like getting Joseph Wolbach gives them some time to figure out the team they were last year

the team they're going to be this year if he can make enough saves to just help them get a couple of points along the way they can still turn this thing around it's not too late yet so I like it I've always liked Joe Wall too like Stolars was the revelation last year like Joe Wall's the first goaltender developed from within since Felix Potfit

it's something they've really failed at so I'm pleased I shouldn't say I'm pleased he's back And as we kidded about pitching, like if you don't have pitching, if you don't have a quarterback, if you don't have goal-tending, you're night of the game, right? So that's part one for this Toronto Maple Leaf team. So the other night, again, the goal-tending,

you can't expect that every game, but hopefully you get more of that because you got used to it last year. Then you get a, you don't get any breaks normally. And I don't like complaining about the officiating. They got some chinty calls. But all you can do is kill the penalties. They did that.

And then, oh, they're down one, nothing. No, video review. and so a lot of little things went right but I think to use that as a positive Joe Wall and he may have to play the next 60 games I don't know but that certainly is a positive I'll go to you J.B and then you can follow up Gord just in terms of a puck drop in Washington

for the Leafs within the hour here are you going to stick to with Willie Nealander I threw out that this could have been looked upon once upon a time as a scheduled loss whether or not you would have put wall in tonight or put the Hildebeast

in and then see Pittsburgh on Saturday just to make the point they don't have the luxury here but do you want even if they lose tonight you still feel the way you feel according to your article yeah I do I you know I kind of think that

I expect them to get two wins out of the next four games here they've got some tough games they're in Florida they're in Pittsburgh Washington, I forget who the other one is, but it's a tough game. Not Carolina, is it? Might be. Either way, it's tough game. So I expect a couple of wins here.

I think they're not terrible, right? So if they can piece it together, the road trip should be good for them. I think they're getting back to general health. You can see more to Matthew, see more to Nyes, get some line consistency. Ideally get the same guys playing with each other for a while. They're going to give this five forward power player rip, you know? Could they find something there, find little magic? They're just searching for what they are.

at this point it feels like and I think I still think there's too many good players for them to be a non-playoff team well first of all I agree there's no cavalry there's no solutions here a couple of years they they got Mike Babcock fired I've never seen a team more proactively get a coach fired so you knew that happened the one year the other year you came to ad last to get Austin Matthews and you did and then there's been this progression and a pretty consistency during the regular season so I thought kippy and Justin that this year you're picking up from the positives, to pick up on your positives. Okay, the deepest they've gone in the playoffs in 22 years.

First time they've come first place in their division in 25 years, except for the Canadian division time. I mean, all these kind of arrows. Nine consecutive years in the playoffs, the longest streak of any current NHL team. I thought they're picking up from that. They're picking off from the deplorable game five and game seven against Florida. That's why Brendan Shanahan's gone.

That's a big reason Mitch Marner's gone. It's the manner in which they exit it. That's why we're Blue Jay Crazy still because that went down. That was a phenomenal finish. It was close to, you know, this one, games five and seven at home, you're saying, are you seriously? Really? Seriously?

And this is where they seem. They seem to have picked up from that model more so than the other bigger portion model. So let's hope that there's been a flip, a bit of a change in the positive direction. Just to be clear, it's Washington and Pittsburgh this weekend and then Florida, Carolina, and then back home December 6th against the Montreal Canadiens. By the way, their schedule, schedule sucks. It's a terrible schedule. Well, it is.

It was the easiest schedule to start. That sucks, too. That sucks. It does. So I think I told you, Kippey, I saw True Living at the Brian Burke, what do you call it, the sports business seminar, right, whatever. And sorry, Berkey. I mean, it's a good seminar.

It's 18 years has been running. You didn't say it sucked. Yeah, no, no, no, it was good. It was good. but I said to true living and sorry I hate people that do that yeah I was talking to no anyway I don't talk to him very relevant but we need a name dropping we've been on the air for over two hours yeah yeah okay yes so tree as I call them anyway I said about the schedule because first of all I know people were having a hard time moving tickets like it wasn't the jays

are playing and I know as a as a general manager I like getting on a road trip early in the year right a big time like you you know get get this team Bonnie whatever you want call it and they had like consecutive home games and he said what happens is they had a decent schedule and there were two big road trips maybe one's one that they're on now and they could only come home from one game so they asked if they could have more space well it's kind of like you know when you get an exam back or test and you say the teacher I want it remarked and the teacher says I could give you a lower mark you did worse so he said we got the schedule back and they moved eight home games on us yeah so anyway it's not an excuse it's a cop out to use it

excuse but there's so much planning put into the season that that was a brutal that was a brutal schedule or earlier in the show we talked a little bit um we've just been sort of reminiscing about some old stuff that i used to tell him some stories about pat burns and i talked about pat quinn a little bit yeah i remember i watched you uh in the hallard bellard documentary uh last year um and just wanted to hear a little bit about how you think the coverage of the leafs have changed like you have obviously seen it from one end to the other it's interesting now because we don't get to know austin matthews for example i've been a radio host here for six years and have never had them on the station you know like it's how has everything's changed since

back when you were involved there so to go back to the 60s because when punch him that came around the second time that um i remember driving him to the town hall was a restaurant and he would have weekly lunches or biweekly lunches with Milt Dunnell, who was a columnist, Scott Young, Neil Young's dad, who was a great friend of columnist, Bill Stevenson. So the GM's, and you look back, the GM was the GM, he ran the team, and the media acquiesced to him. So then it flipped the Harold Ballard era that, first of all, nowadays,

like, I get a kick out of like, oh, the GM talks every 20 games. What are they, Joe Biden? You know, like, I mean, like, whatever. Is everything okay? Can we hear from them more? So back, and you remember the old gardens office, It's the same in Madison Square Garden. Media's in your face. And they were delivering the message.

And so every day you kind of huddled with them and that was the reality. And then you got owners that liked, and Mr. Ballard was one of them, that just loved media attention. And you've seen less of that out. It's more of the corporate thing. But he wasn't alone. There was George Steinbredder in baseball and there were March shot and on and on and on. So it would go crazy about things.

And the GM and coach were always, he was always on them. It was always on them. Like now it's like, you know, unbelievable just as far as like in Calgary. I really like Craig Conroy. Okay, I do. But they're going, oh, they're in the process negotiating an extension. You kidding me. I would have run up the office sign that paper right now, whatever.

Like, give it to me, whatever, you know, kind of like. And I'm not knocking. I just said it's got that, you know, and coaches, okay, they're the first in the firing line, but they get paid now. So every day you'd pick up the, instead of like about what we're talking about today, about the Leafs. Definitely, with their start, there would be something Ballard, hinting,

Stellick, not long for the world. Or Ballard hinting, you know, whatever the coach may be. Like, absolutely, that would be part and parcel. Meanwhile, Ross Atkins did a great job, had a long, you know, long time there. And nowadays, you can just talk when you want to talk. It's ridiculous that he hasn't been on the show

Austin Matthews. I mean, I made it a point that, you know, I drove Kenny Regget to go on with Derringer once on Q107, right? You know, just whatever. You told you, like, within reason, there were certain expectations because you're talking to the public.

And it does, though. It makes you pick through every word more. When we hear from the GM every 20 games or whatever it is, then we get the tweezers out and pick each word and whatever, rather than just, you know, you're talking all the time.

It's not as... Let me ask you something. Flood the zone. Do you think it takes a special person to be one of the leaders for the Toronto mate beliefs like it's beyond just what you do on the ice there has to be

some sort of trait in your personality that is enabled you to get out there and do certain things because like I can only go by when I was a kid Darrell Sittler like hung the moon for me yeah so but you know

and I I no one cheered harder when he scored 10 points No one cheered harder when he scored a overtime win to beat Chuck Zavaki at the time in 76. But I also remember him more so than anything, like March of Dimes guy and getting out there, him and Terry Fox and just getting out there. Yeah. And to Justin's point, that's not Austin. It is not Austin.

And, you know, at the end of the day, you're paid to play hockey. or pay to put the puck in the net is but is that something that they've got to think about moving forward here in terms of who they pick and who they want there to be the face of the franchise and does it have to come with that type of outgoing personality or is it okay as long as he scoring 60 and 70 goals

so okay two parts one that wasn't bore your sawming either that was Doug Gilmore that was Wendell Clark right can I say something though it hurt Boria too that he wasn't that guy No, no, totally. And he said later on he regretted he didn't, you know, wear the sea and do some of those other things. But the point about Boria was, we're not in the dressing room anymore.

And you know more than anything. The dressing room is real. Like it's real. And so, and there's leadership groups in every dressing room. And if you got the wrong person being a leader, and there's nothing wrong if your best player isn't a leader, then don't make them a leader. And all I can say is last year, of course, I love Austin Matthews, the player,

John Tavares who was a quiet leader and I think you need a little bit more spark but you couldn't be more of a team guy or classy the guy the way he handled that transition and then the leadership meant nothing it's not even really a visible thing it's almost like an award to wear the sea and maybe you can do what Connor McDavid did

in Edmonton if you would ask me a few years ago not knowing much inside I would have picked Morgan Riley just a guy who kind of strikes me as a captain but it's an important thing being the captain and the leadership group is important and why were they bringing in Wayne Simmons why were they bringing in Joe Thornton?

Why were they bringing in Patrick Marlowe? Because these guys were young, but at some point, you know, you got evolved to be the real leaders. And that's where we're going to find out now, a litmus test about a team that is no business where they are right now but is playing where they deserve to be right now. And can this leadership group lead them out of the way? That's kind of what Craig Barrowby saying to a degree.

You know, there's no trade coming. They're not going to fire the coach. You're not going to fire the general manager. These guys have done it before, and they got to figure it out. And figuring it out means doing what you did last year for the bulk of the season, whatever it was, that kind of commitment. It's funny looking back, you know, through Stanley Cup winners and who the captains will be. I'm trying to think, like, do you have to have this sort of exemplar of leadership as your captain

or can to be just your best player? And it just doesn't seem to be a case where there's not someone who is a great leader. Those guys win Stanley Cups And I know I have done some work with Darrell Sutter on his book And he's talked about guys he had for captains When he was in Calgary fairly recently They didn't pick a captain one year

Because they didn't really feel like they had one I think that'd be a big statement to make here in Toronto It'd be hard to do But if you look at the past five plus years, 10 years It's tough to have to say Oh, they overlooked Player X They haven't had a guy that you would say That's Bergeron, that's Crosby, that's Barcove,

that's whoever. It just hasn't been here. And also the group. I mean, it's a group as well. But, you know, Bill Root was a journeyman guy played in Toronto a bit. I really liked him. But he talked about being in Montreal once. And I forget which player it was.

So, but anyway, one of the guys that maybe Claude Lemieux, whatever, being a bit of a jerk on the bus or something, you know, just about opening beer, like doing the cough thing and opened it, whatever. And Bob Ganey came down and told him to stop it or whatever it was. And he just said, I will. But the only reason is because I respect you so much. Yeah. You know, whatever.

Like, you know, just that kind of that kind of. tone, that over kind of thing. So, yeah, it's, it, we'll find out because no one's really emerged to be. And that's where the Jays were going, man, there's all kinds of leaders on that team. The Raptors were starting to get in. So we're saying with the Toronto Maple Leaf team that we feel we know so well because they got longevity being here, but who's really come out as a leader of a team? Well, it really wasn't a big deal last year when they're first place and have those

excellent regular seasons. Maybe it's a big reason why they don't ever go further in the playoffs than you hope they would or thought they should. now this regular season, yeah, there's a lot of things that are missing and that's one of them. You're watching and listening to former general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs and now... Broadcast Legend. Legend.

Gord Stelick in studio. You volunteer, not that it's not true because it is true. I'm a real Kipper Enborn show. We just had the very talented and also a legend in his own mind, David Amber. A little concerned about Canadian hockey right now in terms of how many teams we may end up in the playoffs. We'll play better. Play better.

How concerned are you now for Edmonton moving forward here? We heard some key injuries coming down a few hours ago. Roslovick obviously has been a pleasant surprise, but it doesn't sound like he's going to be around for two weeks here. Is there a real threat here moving forward for the Edmonton Oilers to miss? Okay, so the, yeah, yeah, I mean, but like Toronto now, it's still, it's not real early, but it's still early. I mean, the Montreal Canadians last year at this point, forget it. You never thought they would have made the playoffs.

The St. Louis Blues at the 40 game, never mind 2019, the 40 game marked last year, you wouldn't have thought made it. So first, the Canadian-based team skipper, like, I think we all want a team to win a, or a lot of us want a Canadian-based team to win the Stanley Cup. If it's not going to be whatever team you cheer for, you know, first time since 1993. then of course Kippe's American teams the Rangers took over from then but it was kind of a fun at the start of the year going theoretically every Canadian-based team could be in the playoffs because Ottawa Montreal made that jump last year

so yeah so that's going to change you know right now it's it's you're talking millimeters and you know games in hand and thing but I'm surprised to answer your question Edmonton they're Toronto of the West except they have gone to the final twice okay they have gone that's a big difference okay that's a big difference but

they've got those kind of question marks, and it may come down there to goaltending. Like, it may come, even that goal, like, like, the ghost of Miko Koskenen has never left there. It just seems, you know, that Stuart Skinner's going to be unfairly maligned, I believe, and the last two years, so if they want to make a move, that's what they're going to do, okay? You've been a general manager. What is the move here?

Bradminton? We've talked about Jari out of Pittsburgh. We've talked about Bennington. if you were Stan Bowman right now in his chair, where do you go? Well, all those guys. Bennington has a four team, no trade, but you got to think one year left, he likes to win. Connor McDavid, that's all bets are off on it.

So we can't speak for the player, but I'm thinking, you know, just that. You see Saros, okay, I know we started a new contract, but you're talking about, you know, and I'm sure he loves Nashville, but those guys sign, like, I love the players that are winners who want to win and say like Brad Marchand did last year, let's go somewhere. So, I mean, that's park him. Soros is not going to Edmund. Yeah, let's be honest.

What about Steve? Like, where do you think Stephen Stamco's fits? And I know Stephen Stamco's isn't 28 anymore. I understand that. But where does he fit on a really good team? As a scoring winger, which he is not right now, a lot of teams could use help on the wing scoring goals here. Last year in Tampa, they stats were decent.

He's got to get that back. Well, I understood. It's on him, but also like, hey, Larry Murphy left. Toronto won, what, two more Stanley Cups? Because at that stage of his career, he needed. Like, you can argue every player wants to go out a good situation, but certainly a veteran player. So I'm just saying, Edmonton, look at that,

and also with what Connor McDavid did, and I know you've got to work the cap stuff out. I understand that. But he kind of said to them that if there's a Seth Jones type player out there this year, you've got to be in like Florida was last year. Like, you've got to be in and being creative and that kind of player moved there.

So that's what we're looking at. Where Toronto, there's nothing. There's no players. there's no coaching change, no general manager change, there's no draft picks. Let's get Scott Lottin healthy and find a rule, okay? Let's get Brendan Carlo. If he's not getting traded, find a role

because you gave up stuff for them and you got no more to give. What do you make of like these guys, superstars that have term on their contract, Quinn Hughes, Matthews, McDavid, these guys where it's like a couple of years left, but the teams risk losing them for nothing if they're not going to stay.

You know, it's the Mitch Marner thing where they had an opportunity to move them, they didn't, and all of a sudden you're left holding the bag going, well, that didn't work out. You know, they're tough conversations to have. No one ever wins a trade for those guys. I think a lot of people would say you just hang on to them for as long as you can have them,

but at the same time, boy, Vancouver's got to get something for them and the other Canadian teams might find themselves in a similar pickle soon. Because it showed, you know, like Julian Breezebaugh made a really good business decision with Stamcoast, as much as sentimentally, we love them. They loved them there, but he made a really good business decision.

Now, that factors in his age, right? He was in his early 30s. But it's interesting two teams Bradtree Living has been with. Like Johnny Goodrow left, which they didn't expect. So then it forced the Matthew Kachuk trade, which they got good stuff back, but the intangible went the way of the Florida Panthers. And it's been a setback for Calgary.

And you really don't want anyone to ever leave like Mitch Marner did again where you got nothing. And, you know, part of it is you got, you know, Kippy, I know no trade, no trade, but I got to think a player should understand when a GM says the last two years of a deal, I can't give you a complete no trade. J.B. said the other day he loves the power that these guys have now

to just go in there, yeah. You love the power of the players have to complete no trade? Well, no, no, not the complete no trade necessarily. Just the calling their shots. Yeah, like, you know, guys having an interest in saying, I'm not, I don't like the way you're running it here. I don't want to be here anymore. Because listen, for years, guys have got stuck somewhere

where it's being poorly run, the team's losing they couldn't get out and I just think we're seeing more empowerment for the players to stand up and say, ah, this is not working. You go back to junior hockey and Jeff Jacks and the agent having lunch with them, sorry to drop names again, Jacks, anyway, but years ago,

and he was just saying like, you know, a certain player when he goes, they won't put up with a bad situation in the OHL, they'll make sure he goes somewhere else because you don't get that year back. So I agree, and I love the fact that junior players now can go play NCAA and, you know, a lot more flexibility in that regard. But I'm

saying about, you know, what's going on with the, about as a management, as a manager, you've got to use the tool and you can't keep blanket no trades all the time that are going on because they got stuck with Marner that you look, the general managers that have negotiated that there's partial no trades the last couple of years. Yeah. You got a little flexibility. Yeah. You know, when Randen and said he would come to Toronto, you were screwed.

Keep talking amongst yourselves. What are you doing over here? You're putting a cardigan on? Oh, my goodness. This guy's called my shirt. This is Santa Kippie. This is my cardigan. This is my Christmas outfit for the Christmas party tomorrow.

Would you be mine? A beautiful day in the neighbor. My neighbor. Look at the sweater. It's a beautiful sweater. Won't you be my neighbor? So now where is this? What's going on here?

I was watching J.B. do his amazing work on Sports Nets. Yeah. And I saw him wearing this sweater. Yeah. And I fell in love with it. And it just brought me back childhood memories. You know, I will say, I am a, if I could have one style definition for me, it would be professor, that's a little bit professorial.

It's a little bit, it's very festive too. It is. Does it bother you how you intended to be silly, but you actually look really good in that? Are you going to the faculty wine and cheese party tonight, Kippey, with a pipe? Gord? Yes. Listen to me very careful. I am.

When you see something scary, look for helpers. Who are you mimicking here? Mr. Rogers, okay. By the way, Mr. Dressup, last week would have been his birthday, just so you know, we were throwing up Ernie Coombs and that. But anyway, that's a good Mr. Rogers. Can I borrow this for Christmas? Absolutely not.

You don't like it? No, I love it. You don't love it. Don't give me that. Buddy, I love it. You know what? Mr. Rogers is wearing a very nice sort of quarter zip, collarless job there.

I like that. I love this. Did you see when he talked in front of Congress years ago? Yes. Like he got those 17 million or something? No, no. What are you talking about? He's an American hero.

He talked in front. What are you talking about? Mr. Rogers? Yeah, for PBS money, you know, like the whatever, public network. and he talked and it's a wonderful clip and one of the old senators goes well you know you got the money you've won over everybody here he just described what he did

and why he does it and the effect he feels it has on kids and it was wonderful and it's hey I thought he was exposed to his bestest or something and he was suing the government that's the way to play hockey sometimes simplicity we raised a lot of money for Easter Seals and Eric Landrauss can we do it to save those shows

Because that's an issue. We could lose them. You look good. I look great. All right, we got to go. We got to go. You're going to have a telethon, phone $17 in for you? I'm off to play at Scotia Bank Arena.

Oh, nice. Shorzie. Have you watched Shoresy? So we're playing their cast today. Is Terry Ryan going to be there? We had Terry Ryan on yesterday. For those of you, download Spotify, Apple, find it. He was fantastic in it.

Ted Nolan was in today. They're all going to be there. Wow. I feel like the bronze... You want to come down? I'm actually doing my old job. I'm working the game on the fan. So, otherwise I might have in all honesty.

We gotta go. It's a good thing you're wearing that shirt. I would have wore that shirt too. I know. It would have gone well.