Real Kyper & Bourne - How to Fix the Leafs with Doug MacLean

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined by former NHL president, general manager and head coach Doug MacLean (5:07) to chat about the deteriorating Maple Leafs in performance and standings, why a change in the coaching staff around Craig Berube is needed, Tristan Jarry's injury and if the Edmonton Oilers will dip back into the goaltending market, and how the new ownership in Pittsburgh could affect the Penguins and general manager Kyle Dubas' approach. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee head to the text line to answer listeners' questions!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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Friday superstar Doug McLean. We got the canon for him today. We got the canon for him. I remember it in the break. No, Kipper, we made eye contact and he was about to point. Yeah, you always accused me of purposely throwing you under the bus. Well, you usually do,

but today you're a nice bet. But if my eyes go in there like a second before we go on air, you're cooked. That is such a great spider. It is awesome. Thank God we found that. Also, later on in the program we want you to text 59590 send us your texts and we'll read them on air 590 590 and we'll read them after Doug uh jari i think would be the biggest story

yes uh we just saw joseph wall with the tronel mate beliefs kind of disappear Craig brewby said a week he wasn't far off i think it was a week in a day a week in a day thank you sammy this doesn't feel like a week and a day for the Edmonton Oilers, does it? No, it was like the second after it happened, it was like, so Alex Lyon to the Oilers, like rumors started almost immediately. But I don't, so.

How many assets can you now spend on goalies? Well, it's like Colorado did the Blackwood Wedgwood thing. It's like they needed to just replace the two guys. So I don't know, how expensive is Alex Lyon? Yeah, I don't know. But like the thing with Jari is like this guy gets hurt. He does kind of been part of the thing, right? Right? Part of the concern?

Yes. Doesn't stay in there real good? It's just really, I mean, that's, in terms of having confidence in your guy as like a new guy going in there, having your first, it was his third game, his third start, and like people get hurt all the time, I understand that. But just having it be such an innocuous play where you're just sliding across and you go away and now you're on higher. I didn't pay attention when I played.

The goalies get this hurt all the time. They didn't just go post to post. They just stood up. It's true. They used to do that thing when they, like, kicked their leg out. That was like their big... Lean on the crossbar and they're like,

oh, a fake slap shot. No one could ever stop that. He's actually played a lot of games, Jari. I gave him a hard time. He's played a lot of games. Whatever it is, it worked. Maybe you could play 60 or 70 games back then. Yeah.

No, it was definitely better for physical longevity. It's just, I would be, if I'm McDavid and... Like, I know they had to... I guess they had to get rid of Skinner. Like, I'm not going to do... Should have kept skinner. Intertakes? No, I'm not going to do that.

Yeah. But, like, if you're McDavid, you're like, really? Game three of this? You said something when I got here today where it was just like, you know, Kip's almost always wrong, you said. You said he's almost never right. But then you said the Bennington thing, he was bang on about it. Actually said we were right about that.

It's a shared thing. You just had to spend the extra asset, whatever it was, and just get a guy who you can at least point to his past and say he's done it. He'd have to waive it. I don't think it ever got to the point. would he have waived it for sure right oh yeah i don't think we'll ever know because it just it just didn't get to it didn't get there st louis any month and i always believed even up with sid crosbie is that like the time to strike is after the olympics but i don't know

who we had do we have valley on last week or this last tuesday where he said he likes goal he's getting in there this early and he doesn't like them at the trade deadline it's too hard it's not enough time oilers are now 17 12 and 6 they've won their 7 2 and 1 on their last 10 they just look really good last game p p p goal shorty even straight like david just every game it's like him and the goalie just in my screen and nobody else he's stared on the goalie in every game oh my god it's so crazy To get on the ice with NHL players and see how good they are, then see how Connor McDavid looks. The gap in talent is just, it's unfathomable. You know when they say like Olympic events? You should have an average guy in every event for context on how hard the event is,

which is a take I absolutely love. Watch me attempt high jump and then watch like an actual high jump. They should have someone skate with McDavid, just so people can see what it looks like. They should fire somebody down that ski shooting. Yeah, just shooting someone in the. The wrist. No, that's not even what I meant.

I meant the ski. I meant the ski hill. I don't know why I said shoot. All right. That's what do you get to ski and shooting? I'm an idiot. All right. Let's go to a piece of coal in your stocking.

He's light and bright. He's not cool. No, he's not. He's Chris Kringle. Let's welcome him in. Doug McLean, former NHL president, GM, head coach, and now author all over again, wrapping up another bestseller.

Real estate. Hey, the book's in. The book went into Simon & Schuster on the 15th. You submitted it? Awesome. The manuscript is in, so a little over a year to do it. And I'm excited about it. I think it's going to be pretty good.

So it's a book on general managers, correct? It's going to be called, well, I don't know what the main title is, game day or game on, a day in the life. the chaotic life of an NHL general manager. Okay, so if you were going to hand out the... It's sort of, you could call it today's Toronto Maple Leafs. Well, my question to you before you interrupted me was, if you were going to hand the book out to one general manager in the NHL,

who would it be? But I think you already just answered it. Well, it's tough times right now. But you know what? I'm starting to not enjoy coming on this show because it's very negative, you know? I mean, there are only four points out of the playoffs, I think. Six points out of first, Doug.

Yeah, so, you know, but last night's game was very disappointing to watch. There's no denying that. But look, there's, first of all, you know, I listen to you talk a little bit about what's going on. There's a lot more problems than just. Matthews and Nylander with this team and I'll start right away to me they don't have a number one or number two defensemen they don't they need people to transport the puck out of their zone to get it going move it out of the

zone I know I you know I like Morgan Riley but he's a number four guy now and maybe maybe a four or five guy you know so missing a top two defensemen in my opinion they don't have that and it and every good team has it. Every good team has a better back end. So that's the start. And look, when you change your identity, you've got to be really careful. We talked a year ago on this show, the Nashville predators changed their identity. They went from a hardworking, hard checking team, their entire franchise, and all of a sudden they wanted to get skill. And they brought in some skill guys that happen to be older skill guys on the downside, you know, with Marcia Soe and Stamco, still good players, but not anywhere close to their prime.

And they change their identity and they're still struggling from it. The Leafs decided to change their identity and went from being a really skilled team to being a harder team to play against. Well, the challenge is when you change your identity, you still need skill to get in the playoffs. You've got to get in first. You've got to get in the playoffs. And there's been a skill depletion in this group. So you've got to be a skill to get in. And then when you get in, you've got to be able to play heavy hockey.

So it's a real interesting dynamic to build a team. And, you know, right now they're flawed. They are. And I know Matthews hasn't been good. And I know Neelander hasn't been good. And Tavares was good the first 15 games. And now he's disappeared. to a degree. Their power play is horrendous.

And I leave the game last night thinking, okay, what, you know, what, what, what do you, some, they need a jolt of something. They need a jolt. So you've been a president, you've been a president and general manager. You've been in this scenario, I'm sure, and what is your jolt? Where do you look? Do you have to look under, like, the reason why you're in this predicament first? Don't you need to identify that before you go to a jolt? Well, I think they've probably identified it. I mean, I think they all, well, the fans have, they think it's brooby. I mean, I look at this team, the way they play, it looks like to me they don't want to play for this coach.

And, you know, since the Leafs won the last annual cup, this would be the next coach, I think, will be the 20th coach. So it hasn't always, it's not always the coach's fault, you know. So I think that I would jolt them by making a change on the coaching. staff i would make a change on the coaching staff okay so you're you're not saying i wouldn't fire barrupey right now i wouldn't let them off the hook but i'd make a change on the coaches have and i i don't know if his assistant coaches are letting them down i mean assistant coaches have got to be key key key people when you've got key key players stumbling and struggling it's the assistant coaches that have got to get in their ear you know when you play nick they're

assistant coach, the top assistant, the number one assistant would work with the stars, you know, work with the stars and work through the, work through whether it's head or whether it's physical or whether it's style. You've got to work with these guys. And I don't know what's going on there. I mean, I know, you know, I don't even know the assistant. I met a couple of the assistants, but I think either change duties on the staff, bring something. somebody new in. Do something. Do something. You know, you can't trade Matthews. You can't trade Nylander right now. I mean, you're, you're living with them. But why do you think the Minnesota Wilde wanted to get Quinn Yu so bad? Because they need a number one defenseman to win the Stanley

Cup. You need a number one defenseman. And we can say how good the Leafs are and how great they are. I mean, their back end, I know Carlos out and I know Tannis out, but they're three, four guys. They're not one, two guys. And the good teams in the league have won two's. The good top teams.

And even some bad teams have won twos. But the Leafs don't, in my opinion. And they haven't for, they haven't for five years. When was the last number one defenseman the Leafs had? Boy, you sawming. Yeah, maybe.

Seriously, think about it. that had a major hole. Morgan Riley, we said for years, Morgan Riley comes in as a first round pick, whatever he was, fifth, seventh, overall. We said we always thought he was a good number two when he started in his career, but not a number one, never perceived as a number one.

So, you know, they've got great gold tanning. These kids have battled hard. These two young guys have battled really hard. Yeah, they've lost Mariner. But there's nobody that's transporting the puck. we talk about Matthew's missing Mariner. What about what Nise is missing? Nise is missing

Marner, just as much to be quite honest when I watched him last night. I mean, he's not getting a puck in key situations anymore. So, you know what? And you said, you can't get rid of good players, but if I was going to, and we talked about this for a couple of years, maybe the deal

should have been Nylander for a number one defenseman. Maybe that's what the deal should have been in the past. Is this bringing it back to Brandon Montour and Nick Ritchie? Are we back there from the old hockey Central days? I don't know where we are, but it's looking a lot better now. I'm pretty good. Montour right now, if I could

get him, and he's not a number one either. So if you're the president of the team or whatever your role is, the GM of the team, you're watching your coach and he says, go ask him about why there's no passion. You're watching your players who are kind of going, I don't know, it's not the personnel.

You know, how do you, can, you go to couples therapy, have people ever worked through that dynamic with their coaching players where, you know, they come through this okay on the other side? Look, you know, coaches say those things every once in a while, you know, go talk to them. It's not the end of the world. In Toronto, I mean, there's, there's 10 coaches a year would say that, you know, it's not, it's not the end of the world, you know, but, you know, I, I guess I don't have a clue what goes on in this dressing room. I don't know what the communication is like. I would think

Ruby is a pretty good communicator, but you change the identity. You've changed the identity and you've changed the style the team is going to play. And the coach wants to play a certain way and this team does not want to play that way. So there's got to be a give here. Either the players have got to try to change or the coach has got to relax the situation and let them make plays and let them try to play their game will still battle in defense. Matthews was a real good defensive player. Where does that disappear to?

He can't, I mean, he looks like he's a fourth-liner times out there. He doesn't really want the puck. I mean, so, I mean, he's too good a player for this massive drop-off. He's too good a player. And Neelander's too good a player for this kind of drop-off. on. Tavares? Well, at least he's 30, whatever he is. He's got an excuse. He's getting up there, you know, and he's had a hell of a career. And, you know, I mean, maybe they shouldn't have bothered bringing Tavares back and signed a defenseman. Maybe that's what they should have done.

They allocated their dollars in different areas, you know. A four and a half, five million dollar defenseman might look pretty good there right now. And I love John Tavares. Don't get me wrong. But that wasn't your weakness going into the season. Your weakness going into the season was your one-two hole in the back end. You're watching and listening to the getting up there, Doug McLean on the Real Kipper Endborn Show off the rails Friday. So how tough is it for Euler fans who probably have felt that they waited a really long time to maybe cheer on a new goalie? and then he kind of disappears on you last night in terms of a potential groin injury

that might keep them out a couple of weeks, Mac. I don't know if we've had you on since the big trade. We did? Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. You know, what do they do? If it's two or three weeks, do they have to actually go shopping for another guy?

You know, they're going to get in the playoffs. it looked like when he moved there you're right it looked like a groin let's hope it's nothing more than that but he's had injury problems this kid too you know and it looks like he was playing pretty well for them I don't think you know where do they find another goaltender right now you know stole ours maybe they're talking about lion

was he ready Alex Lyon from Buffalo all my but you know Edmonton right now are playing pretty decent hockey so it's a tough break tough break to lose them but you know they're going to get in the place the west is pretty well set it's not like the east where it's just so wide I'll tell you what if Buffalo get a little life you're going

they may be a they may challenge for a playoffs you know you can they've won four in a row Buffalo have they yeah but they're still in last place does I give you some idea of how hard it is to move the needle no it's it's

it's almost yeah it's tough It's tough to move the needle to get out. It's tough to move the needle. Now we're talking about every game is a three-point game all of a sudden. Every game is a three-point game we're seeing, well, except for last night. But anyway, look, I don't know what they do. I mean, they need, they, I think they're not going to be able to make a deal probably.

It would be a secondary type of deal right now. But they've got to, they've got to figure out the communication that's going on in this dressing room. There's something like in the dressing room. Something. Oh, in Edmonton? No, I'm talking Toronto. Sam, I got a lot of mixed messages going on. Well, yeah, okay.

Well, I guarantee you there's a lot better communication in Edmonton than there isn't Toronto. So somebody better start getting in players' ears and really communicating. And I don't mean barking at them. And I don't mean, you know, talking about straight lines. I mean, get a better mood. this with this group. Because right now, the mood is not good.

Yeah, we're talking about Buffalo quickly there and Yarmo got hired. I thought you were going to tell us Jeff Rimmer is going to be brought in for communications. Is that any truth to that rumor? Well, he's text, he's text Yermo probably about every 20 minutes since he got the job. So I think he's probably just texting Yarmal to give him advice, but I don't know. I mean, he, I don't see, well, Jeff would only go back if it was a management job. You know, he wouldn't go back to play by play. So you, you know, you'd like to make a big swing.

I can't imagine that you saw the Quinn Hughes trade and didn't absolutely love it the moment you saw it come out. Yeah, I kind of, I actually liked it for both teams. You know, I didn't really know the, you know, the hot shot on the back end, but I loved it for Minnesota. I loved it for Billy Garen. They're going for it, you know. And Billy swings.

He swims for the fences, and I liked it. I mean, they gave up a decent price. I feel a little bit for Vancouver when you think about the guys they've lost, just think about it. You know, you lose Miller, you lose Quinn, and you lose Bo Horvath over a two-and-a-half-year period, those three players, you know. So, you know, hopefully it's going to work out well for them. But, and, you know, Quinn used as a heck of a player, boys. I mean, there's a handful of them in the league. There's a handful of them in the league, and every one of them are difference makers on their teams.

And they're hard to find, but I can't believe that Billy was able to do it. I really was. I'm shocked by it. And all of a sudden, because of that acquisition, they're a contender right now. They are. Now, I say that they're right there with Dallas and Colorado. Wow. Right there with them, with their depth.

and with their back end. And if the young goaltender keeps playing the way he is, they're right there with the big boys. Do they not need a centerman? You know, yeah, they might need one. But, you know, I mean, I think they're so solid on the wings that they can get away with where they are. Do you think with the return that Vancouver Canucks got

that it would be incentive for other teams to maybe move a key guy, not to bring this back to Toronto but you know what I think you know that I mean it's going to be fun to watch

because in two years' time they're going to have to look it's like Columbus right now Warensky goes off on the on the organization last night you know

they got two years it was it two years so Matthews is up yeah but Jimmy Jimmy had two years too and he's like no not taking it no that's what I mean

you know And he knew the kid wasn't going to re-sign. He knew Quinn wasn't going to resign. I mean, if you were a betting man today, would you say Matthews is going to resign and draw him? Me? No. No, I don't think he is either.

I'd be shocked. You know, and I don't know. There's a lot of people that believe there's a bagpacked already in his hallway. So, I mean, look, I don't know. I mean, what all I know is they are in desperate need of some, of a couple of defensemen. Imagine this team if they had Quinn Hughes. Imagine if they had the difference he would be.

It would be fun to find out what something like that would look like. But Doug, Quinn Hughes doesn't come around very often. They don't know. How do you get a number one D? I think GM spend their whole careers trying to figure that out. Yeah. I mean, look, they're tough to find. They are.

And typically you have to draft them. Typically you have to draft them. Or you have to swing for the fence on a huge deal. and you know but you look at every good team in the league every team that's a contender they have a top blue line every team that wins the stanley for 20 years has had a great number one that wins the stanley cup you think about the needemeyers and the prongers

and all these guys they were you know that's that's the number one thing and for me they've gone through the tronomey beliefs have gone 10 years now and haven't acquired a number one defenseman they haven't got one Morgan Riley's the closest they got. So, Matt, the Pittsburgh Penguins

were sold. Elliot said 1.7. Essentially, they doubled their money in like four years. Yeah, it was 900. Wasn't it 900? Yeah, maybe. Anyways, really good return,

I think, in a very short period of time. Not bad. You went the condo route, right? Maybe you should have gone into the ownership route. Yeah, I was just about 1.65 short. Can you believe, though, like, where values have gone in such a short period of time and the demand? Well, I like the fact Gary's now saying it's going to be two for an expansion team,

two billion for an expansion team. Is that true? Is that accurate? And that's with no building. You may have to come up with the building, too. First-time salary caps, 150 mil. Off you go. I remember Mr. McConnell being upset when, you know,

he paid $80 million for the Blue Jackets in 2000. And he's got too much money. That's the catering budget on the Leaf's plane. Florida and Anaheim, Florida and Anaheim, they were 50, 50 million. Yeah. So it has gone up substantially. You know, there's no denying it. So, Mac.

If you're Kyle Dubus, what would be going through Kyle's mind with a new ownership group? Well, there'd be a lot going through his mind. I remember George McPhee when I interviewed him for my book, said that he walked on the floor of the new building in Washington, and he looked into the seats and he thought 18,000 seats. that is my number one responsibility is to fill those seats every night. And I suspect with Kyle, when he's looking into the seats and he's seeing only 10,000 at some Pittsburgh Penguins games, that, you know, he'd be a little nervous because a guy that's paying $1.8 billion for the team does not want to see a building with 10,000 people in it.

You know, it's funny, though, is I hear all you smart guys, you know, you being one of them, their Mac, you know, talking about, oh, you got to get butts in the seats and Kyle needs, whatever. These men who buy these franchises are aware that winning leads to that. And they would be, in theory, aware that rebuilds in some years or down years as you work towards that, would they not? Have you ever worked for an NHL owner? You know, and I have not had the luxury of having those conversations. Yeah, yeah. They know they think that you're supposed to win every game. So rich guys are dumb is the end of this?

No, no. I would never say that they're dumb. You just did? I would say that they've, look, it's an exciting thing to own an NHL team. They know what they're up against, but they expect because here's, in my experience, most NHL owners have been unbelievably successful businessmen. Yeah. Okay. So they automatically think when I put my fingers on this, it's going to become very successful.

What a lot of them forget about is that 90% of those guys got lucky. Yeah, totally. They're not all geniuses. A lot of them got lucky and made their money, you know, in, you know, Mr. McConnell, when he started the Worthington steel in his garage, probably didn't think it was going to be a billion dollar company, you know. but so they they have a hard time relating to their successful business to the sports business because it's really hard to become successful, very hard to become successful in the NHI. I'm not sure how many owners would really know anything remotely about the CBA or a salary cap.

Wouldn't they come in and assume they would need some education in that? Like someone like back can say, hey, let me explain this. Well, yeah, I know I know they know it's. the structure of a salary cap, but not how it works. I told you what Jim Basile said to me. He hired me as a consultant there years ago, and I walked in his office

out at what was the name of a Blackberry? Yeah, Blackberry. So this is when he was trying to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins. This was when he was going to buy the Phoenix. Oh, the Phoenix. Okay. And I said to him, you know, Jim, the NHL is

really, really a tough business. It really is. And he said, don't talk to me about the NHL being a tough business. I'm battling Apple and Nokia. That's tough. The NFL is tough compared to that. And where do you end up compared to those

companies? How to go? He was number one at the time. Apple passed him, I think. I'll check the scoreboard here. So anyway. Hold on. Let me check my Blackberry. He missed playoffs. So anyway.

So look, it's it's a tough rag. And I mean, I feel for them right now, but like they've changed their identity and they changed the identity of their coach. You couldn't have two different coaches than the last two coaches that Toronto Maple Leaf plays. Talk about a 360 between the last two coaches

and they've changed their identity. Sheldon is not the same as Bruby. Would you agree? Yeah, I was questioning the idea that 360s are turned around. I have no idea how we got to this. I'm just trying to help the Leafs. That's all I'm trying to be a non-paid consultant for Keith Pelling. Yeah.

Can you help the Jets out a little bit? Are we talking about the same team that we thought could win a Stanley Cup last year? I was thinking about them a little bit today. They really, some of the guys they brought in just haven't panned out, you know, it's been tough. And Taves is one who I thought, you know, I know, I know he was. has missed a lot of time, but I really thought he would be a secondary good piece for them, and it's, I feel

bad that it hasn't worked out. I watched them play St. Louis the other night. They're not a very good team right now. Wow. They're not a very good team. That's kind of shocking a little bit, too. Yeah, I mean, last year they were hitting on every cylinder.

You know, I watched even Connor play the other night, you know, not, he doesn't look the same out there. He's not as confident right now, you know, especially in the offensive zone but and he's out of a player so you know will they get it going maybe maybe they will you just that none of the new guys can score either right night quest nothing no he's isn't going to do that nemesnikov nothing they just got to lean on logan stanley all right mac what's up what are the holiday plans here for you well the kids are coming in on the weekend cart comes in tomorrow

and mackenzie's coming on tuesday so it'll be a relaxing time here in south florida they just get a little beach time in and a little pool time and a few dinners out, relax, you know? So just like any day of your whole life? Well, it is for me, but not for them. Getting to be with you as a treat. Oh, my God, every day's Christmas in your life. Well, I get to sort of, I get kind of depressed

when, you know, I listen to you guys, bribe with beliefs, and, you know, I just, you know, but I just like to come on on Friday and help. I don't know whether Craig's listening or Trees listening or Keith's listening, but we try to help them. I talk. Hey, they're close.

I talked to a table full of guys the other day and they go, I got to tell you, I make sure I don't miss Fridays when Matt comes on. He said, I got like a phone alarm set for when you guys got Matt coming on. Wow. Like, this guy's moving the needle for us. And, Matt,

what does that tell you about sports talk radio? Times are lean, Mac. Hey, do us a favor because. Because Jill's so good to us for letting you come on our show every Friday. Do us a favor. Go out and buy her something really special from us. Yeah, what's expensive? Can you do that?

And just put your, not with your guys' money, but just to say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, put our name on it. By the way, I like the cardigan. I like the cardigan look like you look like you're going to prep school or something. You got a crest on there, your old high school. I wore it in the commercial. He's been calling me Mr. Rogers ever since. the commercial so now I'm trying to make it a

it's a wonderful day in the neighborhood Mac and yeah and there's no rebuilds in Toronto by the way I hear today there's having trouble selling tickets there well Mac you did yeah winning solves everything as you said

I look I wouldn't have trouble paying $700 to watch them play and that's what Berkey's goals Burke's goals were 700 I tried to get them for a buddy of mine and and he was drive me crazy about getting tickets.

I asked Berg. I said, Berkey, can, you know, can I get a couple of your tickets? He said, yeah. He said, I got two, and there are two gold. 700 bucks. So I said to the guy, hey, hey, I got two tickets for you and your kid. You said you want a good seat, 700. He said, what? He thought they were going to be $75.

So he hasn't phoned me for tickets since. That ship sailed a while ago, Mac. All right, we're going to let you go. I'd be intense to buy some, I guess. You know what? Have a great Christmas, man. Have a great holiday. Very Christmas, Mac.

Thanks for all your time this year. You're the best. Yeah, look, you guys have a great holiday season as well. And, you know, let it go. They're probably going to get in the playoffs. So just relax and let it go. And I really appreciate that I didn't have to follow Paul Maurice today. I really appreciate that.

Take care, guys. I'm next. Ken Hitchcock. Florida's going again. no hitch his name got into my book Hitch his name got into my book He was disappointed He didn't get in the last one

Well he's in this one Was there any swear words Just before his name or after his name What's the opposite of an Irish goodbye All right, all right Go Mac Go start your Christmas Doug McLean everybody

I mean that truly was The Christmas Party goodbye Like I've been to some Christmas parties I know you're like Can I just get out the door? Oh let's got my coat on and spend 45 minutes talking somebody We're like let's we've made the decision to go

Yeah Let's go Yeah I hate a long goodbye You probably have in the You probably have a ton of long goodbye For sure we're like we're going Yeah yeah The goodbye started in the kitchen

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He fought a guy. He's an guy older than you, which is old. No, no, no. He fought, since then, he fought somebody else. Did he? After Tyson. If he did.

I think he did. And he was a retired kind of ex-pro. Oh, did he fight? I don't know. One of the great regrets of my life is not putting my life savings on Jake Paul in that fight. I bet along Jake. No, but it's on Netflix. You already have Netflix, so it's free now.

Yeah, but no, that's all. I'm talking about. The pay-per-view for like 50 bucks? No, I'm talking about betting on Jake Paul at that time. Betting. But so tonight. Why would you ever do that? Well, because it's available.

You assume it's some rigged in some capacity. So what I'm going to bring up is... That's like betting and wrestling. Tonight... It is like that, very much. Tonight, the line is available on Bet365. Jake Paul is a huge underdog tonight. He is plus 600 tonight on the money line.

Anthony Joshua is minus 1,200. Okay, is that a knockdown or is that a... That's to win. Just to win. That's to win. So you can judge's decision or you get knocked out is the same. There's different ways you can do it. You could do it by K.O or TKO.

There's lots of different ways to bet it. Okay. You can bet on the total rounds, how many rounds it's going to go. By the way, I probably shouldn't say there's no reason to believe it's rigged. There's no history of this being a thing. I'm sure it's on the up and up. Hey. Yeah, it's, it's boxing.

It's, totally clean. Totally clean. But here's what I was saying. Yeah, it's boxing. The fight to go to the distance, which. That's a good bet. I like a lot. Yeah.

is plus 333. It's a nice bet. They're right there. The fight to go the distance tonight between the two fighters. Five minutes for fighting. Anyways. That was game time. Presid by Bet 365.

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So I don't know if this was just because we had back on it. All he wanted to talk about was the Leafs, but all their texts are Leafs related. So somebody text in from Halifax, from Montreal, from Edmonton, from Vancouver, from Colonna, from the Yukon, from Northwest Territories. Text in from there about someone other than the lease or else we're going to be doing 100 lease texts. So text in, 590, 590, text. Sent's talk. And we'll read them on air when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne. Hey, it's Matt Marquesie.

And I'm Mike Feudah. We're discussing the top stories of the day across the NHL and the hockey world. Weekdays at noon. It's the fan hockey show on SportsNet 590, The Fan, and wherever you get your podcast. As a reminder, this hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to by Bet365, Nick Kippreels, Justin Bourne. Sammy McKee, how about your buddy Ernie there in Buffalo? I almost got through a full day. I thought I'd think about the Jay.

Hey, that's okay. My worst, like, sporting event frustration was Tom Watson, not winning the British Open at 60. He had to make par from the fair, middle of the fairway on 18. He hit it long. Stuart Sinkins, I thought he did not hit it short? No, he hit it long. He won hopped it.

He landed right by the pin. Went long. It was a heartbreaker. He had a touchy tit chip coming back. Now it's the Jay's thing. Now I can't think of the Jay's thing. Ernie did look good in a Buffalo Sabre jersey, though. Yeah, that's, I mean, listen, he's from Buffalo.

He's obviously a Sabers fan. He's affiliated now. Like, Ernie went from, like, a utility guy who was, you know, waived by the A's, I think, at one point, or the Guardians or one of those teams, to, like, playing in the World Series and then, like, playing in, like, a MLB baseball golf tournament to, like, being on with Josh Allen. You're the most hits in playoffs, you're saying, ever, he's a Zoom now. I'm just saying that, like, his rise to this, I just hope he doesn't have a 5.45 OPS next year, boys. That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah. I want to invite Ernie to my Thursday morning skate.

Oh, yeah. But not Borny? No. He's on famous enough or what? He doesn't play for the blue jays. No, I don't play with him at all. No, Ernie. Ernie, you got nothing better to do.

Come on the show. Come for a skate with us Thursday mornings. I think that's a doable. Yeah. I'll do that in the new year. Chat with Ernie. Oh, that's the most December 19th thing ever said. Yeah.

I'll get that done in the new year. No problem. I know who to talk to about. that um let's go here uh text text text i think we're dangerously close to having one canadian team maybe in the playoffs what can we do to fix this from louise and monkton who's also called well first off the oilers are in yeah let's not have any further discussion about that they're currently third in the pacific two points out of first uh everything behind them's not great so one team's after that

Ottawa is currently out I like them they're making the playoffs anyone else you guys really like Montreal I don't really like them I think it might be one the Jets

good team last year they're not that much different from last year can they fully miss playoffs I just don't know if the Habs can hang on to their spot because of the goal tending it's been so bad and Fowler's come up they rushed him up here he's been no good

we legitimate like Leif's terrifying No shot. No shot. No shot. Can I just... They keep playing like this. There's no shot. 35% chance they make playoffs.

Can I just just push this conversation a little further past just making the playoffs this year? Yeah. I worry about some guys in Canadian markets like leaving for the states. Right. Based on politics or... I don't know. Nothing in general. Just there seems to be.

weather just uh i don't know like and maybe it's an american thing too because we had matthew kichick and now quinn hugh's matthew wasn't the captain right he wasn't the captain i don't think he was the captain brady kachuk's american captain austin matthew's american captain uh is that i think that listen connor mcdavit just signed a short-term deal uh like even that's out there for oiler fans not today to deal with tomorrow or hopefully even next year but come on like we we need to keep superstars here we need them on long-term deals we need them entertaining us for the next 10 years we do what do you propose we do about that give them lots of money I don't know I don't know just I don't know just win yeah just win create a great environment

for them so they don't want to leave like I don't know what happened to Quinn Hughes it was all about winning and losing was it more into the year being like yeah we need to have a positive start to the year he wanted to get to the east coast guys. Yeah, he didn't succeed at that. But he didn't have any choice. Yeah. Kind of halfway there. He literally halfway there. Yeah, I'm in the middle. Matthew had a choice because he

was able to parlay right away a long-term deal. Quinn Hughes hasn't been able to do that, won't until next season. It's crazy how that worked out for Matthew Kachah. Trevor from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan. Yeah, what up, Moose Jaw.

Three of my four parents in-laws from Moose Jaw. I was going to say. I don't have four parents. I have two and then there's two in-law parents. Speaking of Quinn Hughes, hot take. Quinn Hughes is not going to be a game breaker in big boy playoff games. He is like his brothers. They're all undersized

and way too injury prone. You know, I've heard that take before. Kipper, maybe from Moose Jaw. Yeah, it's a factor for sure. Just the pounding is much different as we know in the playoffs.

He's dynamics. skater. Hopefully he's able to dodge all that this time around for Minnesota. Because he wasn't able to in Vancouver in that second round. Stanley Cup champion, Chris LaTang might be a model

for him as a way to not get hit a ton and move the puck still. This one's from Kurti in Halifax. Can Samuel sing the Moosehead's goal song to beat the

fake maritimer allegations. Wow. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever claimed to be a maritime. You literally have never once been like that. No, okay. So that's why I'm weird, like I just, have I done that before? Because I did live in Halifax for two, well, in Dartmouth, actually.

I didn't know that. Oh, you went to school. Yeah, I lived in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia for two years. Oh, Dawn, you didn't go to school. I went to school. Did you pass? I did. No chance.

Buddy, most improved student the second year. You got an MIP? You know what that means? You know what that means? But I think. the goal song as I went to a million I was there during the time Nathan McKinnon was in a moose head and I went to

To stalk them? No but I went to every game Because they were unbelievable Drewann was on that team as well It was amazing But I think it's like you just can't stop the moose Or something like that I think that's it I think that's it

I think it's you just can't stop the moose I've made you way off anyways I loved it either way I just wanted because I didn't think I'd Did you guys even know that I was lived in Halifax Amendment? There you go. I don't know where the hell we got that.

I don't know where you lived now. I thought you went just like broad. Didn't you go to like radio school? Yeah, but in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia. Oh, I actually thought it was just like, I don't know, on Jane and. No, it's in Nova Scotia. It's a long story how I ended up there, but I did. So I spent two years there.

You tell me sometime. Listening to Doug and talking about the number one defense, it makes me appreciate Jake Sanderson even more as an Ottawa thing. You should. Hugely underrated, in my opinion. That draft year gave a Stutzlo Sanderson and the. Riddler? Who's the riddler?

All in the first round, great drafting. Ridley great. Oh, yeah. Anyways, happy holidays, and Joie Noelle. Jouet, Noel? Jouet, Noel? Like, depending on what you think of Shabbat, who's been hurt, right? Chatbot, yep.

They may have to unload him. What? What is with you? Every time I need has a surplus of talent, you train it away. No, I'm just saying, eventually. I'm not saying today or tomorrow. Hold on. So they could keep.

I was looking at the text messages. Who are you trading? He just traded Shabbat. Oh, okay. I thought you were talking about. For who? For who? For why?

You have two good players? No, well. I don't know if they, maybe not. Maybe you want to parlay that into something else. But to Doug's point, teams are looking like crazy for defense. And could another team think of him as a number one? What did they trade for Jacob Chikrin? They got back Jensen and a third?

But that was just a disaster. The hell was that? To be fair, he's not the, he wasn't the player he is now. I mean, not in Arizona and not, he's gone to another level. Okay. Chickren. Chikrin is unbelievable, but he wasn't that in Ottawa. Thank you.

So. He was buried behind Sanarsen and Charlotte, or at least with them. It was a timing thing and you struck lightning by picking him up. There's a lot of teams that said no when he was available. available in Arizona and in Ottawa. So good on, good on Washington for, for taking the bat off their shoulders. But sometimes two dynamic defensemen sometimes doesn't work.

They don't play together. It's not, no, just to control a blue line, to be in a scenario where sometimes it's just, I don't, I don't know if Shabbat's an alpha dog, but I think there's some idea that do we need What is Shabbat? 9 million? No, he less than that, I thought.

Didn't he sign him 8 times 8? Okay, 8. Jake's 9? It's a little heavy for two guys. Yeah, he signed. Look at the Leafs, they got all their money up front. Starting in 2021, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 21 is 8 million until 2020. Yeah.

I'm not trading them today or tomorrow. but I think down the road there's a possibility. All right, all right. Quickly before we go, this one's from the Ottawa area, no name on it, but hi guys,

love the show, best show, best hockey talk in the business. Good way to get in. What business? My favorite player growing up with Mike Bossy, wondering if Borny has a good bossy story. Go wilds.

Well, yeah, his back really hurt and he stopped being awesome and he retired. Is that an Austin Matthews thing? Is that what we're doing here? Bossy's the, The second or the third leading points per game guy, I think, all time. You know, I know that it was funny with Bossie because Mike was married to a French woman.

And I know that when they would go to these team parties, that she didn't want him to speak English with the other guys. Because she would feel left out. So Bossie would always be at these parties. And if you couldn't speak French, you couldn't talk to Mike. So guys would have to like, you know, find a way to bring Bossie out of the house. go get a cigarette or something to get like an English word in with Mike when they be at the team parties. Only spoke French at team parties.

That is an amazing story. That is. So you go quick, hack a quick dart to get the stories. It doesn't really change for anybody. We know who runs the household. Let me read the gold totals for Mike Bossie. Yeah. 53, 69, 51, 68, 68, 68, 68, 68, Cia.

38, Cia. That is insane. And his goal totals in junior, 70, 84, 79, 75. He knew where the net was. He found it pretty good. He could figure it out. All right, boys, that's it. Morning's last show. Yeah.

You guys have an hour on Monday and that's it for you? Yeah, we're doing a lease hour. You and me coming off two games back to back against Nashville and Dallas. Just an hour. You and me Monday. Four to five. Wouldn't it be weird if they beat Nashville the Leafs and, or I'm sorry, yeah.

Yeah. Lost to Nashville and beat Dallas. That would be very surprising. I think we're going to learn a lot about this hockey club over the weekend. Wyatt Johnson has gone to another level, too. I think he's Team Canada? He's awfully close. I mean, he's part of the, he's part of, like, the next group of guys.

For sure. I think from when I published my team Canada, I would now add Matthew Schaefer. You sent something, where did you send that thing from with Bouchard and Schaefer? I think LeBron had it was like rumbling for something. Bouchard is still in the mix. I think he sent Schaefer. He's going to be our number one guy for many years. Totally.

Let him get the pace. Our thanks to Doug McLean on Fridays. Our thanks to all of you for your text messages this hour and LeafLine in our Leaf Edition hour. J.B., when do we see you next? I'm going to see you on the desk with Leafs game Sunday, pal, and then I'm back whenever we're back after Christmas. All right. Everybody, thanks for all the support this week. we've needed it, especially our boy, Sammy.

Oh, yeah, that's for sure. Have a great weekend, a safe weekend, and Sammy and I will see you back here on Monday. Thanks, everyone.