Real Kyper & Bourne - If the Jets Ain’t Broke...

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne welcome in Sportsnet's Sean Reynolds (3:45) to discuss whether the Winnipeg Jets are willing to deal at the trade deadline despite their strong success this season and the front office's "promise" to the core. Then, he gets into what's behind the Jets' power play's success, whether Mark Scheifele will slot in for Team Canada as an injury replacement, how Winnipeg has changed their locker room culture, and whether the Canucks can change the trajectory of their season after trading away J.T. Miller. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee go through Kyper's trade board and discuss who could be on the move ahead of the deadline.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

All right, let's kick it up for the national hour on the real kipper inborn show Wherever you're watching wherever you're listening live on sports at 650 in Vancouver sports at 960 in Calgary we're glad you're aboard in a few minutes will welcome in Sean Reynolds sports net reporter for Hockey night in Canada covering the Winnipeg Jets. They're on another heater. Oh hum Canada covering the Winnipeg Jets. They're on another heater. Oh hum. What? Do we get to talk about the the trade board now? I know that was all exciting but the trade board? As Sam has just alluded to I came out with my third edition of the trade board. We'll do another one outside of the Four Nations tournament but with a month to go here, we've got some interesting

names so we'll definitely dive into those. Yeah, we sure will. You traded Ranin again. Oh yeah, well, it's really turning into like a bizarre world for trades and I'll go even outside of the NHL, obviously with Luca in Los Angeles and you're starting to hear some big trade potential trades in the NFL as well. You are? You're wearing the hat, not me. You're Rob Lowe wearing the nondescript, no team preference NFL hat.

Piles Garrett demanded a trade and he's a good player. So yeah, but I think that NFL trades are never really... It's like a good player gets traded for like a fifth round pick. It's very... NFL trades are a lot different, but... Hooper Cup? Yeah, he demanded a trade too. But I mean, I have a hard time...

Do you think there's like a cross sport inspiration? Like NHL guys see Luka Doncic gets traded. They're like, well, if they can trade him if they can trade ranting in Why do we think the Donchich one doesn't hurt? I think you know like we're not doing Donchich We just did written it. I wrote today on as the opening of my sportsnet.ca Tradeboard is that I do believe trades like that

Are a reflection back to you on okay if they're If they're putting their necks on the line here, what are we doing here? Can't be a coward if other people are doing it where where are we are we looking at all our assets? in a way where we can really define where we want to go from here on in. And I think it does force you to reflect a lot more when you see others, like I said, putting their you know what's on the line. Yeah, you're sitting there staring at Eric Carlson going, I'm not sure that this is the answer for where we're at in our life cycle here. Well Kyle Dubas is going to take a mulligan on that one for sure.

Yeah, I don't give mulligans though. Unfortunately, you got to figure out what to do with that. The team you mentioned in there was Ottawa Senators. Ottawa Senators. I think that they are looking at the last two games or going, we may have let something slip against Tampa Bay Like I said in her in her first hour. They got Florida coming up. But in the meantime There are this they they got to get this thing over the the line here and make the playoffs

Yeah, you think that's a an antler related thing? New owner trying to you know, you're at this point here now Where you've you haven't done the usual sense thing where you've sucked at the start of the year and you've gotten hot and you Kind of like our fake games now, you're in a race here. You've gotten this far new owner I'm sure there's a ton of pressure to get into the playoffs But they want some gates ton of pressure a lot of pressure on me to remind everybody that real kipper and board is brought To you by bet three six five. All right, to you by Bet365. It sure is. All right.

Let's welcome in Sean Reynolds. He's been a great guest here. Tons of pressure on us now to like leave the drama to the Vancouver Canucks and get just a real hockey talk about a good hockey club. As you've noticed on our show we're like attracted to like like Yeah, we're on fire news We'll really do good hockey clubs that just go out there and win. Yeah stable stable I'll tell you this when I first started this job

I used to think that like because you know that I came on when the Jets were trying to figure things out, you know, back in 2014 and I thought, man, I just want to, you know, cover a team that's like in the playoffs and steady and good and those teams are boring because they just do the same thing over and over and that's what this Jets team is. You know, if you're looking for action and, you know, fires to put out, it's not there. This team that, they're this team that has a very good idea of who they are. They go out and they execute it night after night. They know every guy on the ice knows what he's supposed to be doing.

Every guy does it. You know, it makes it hard to come up with questions afterwards, cause it's like, you know, you're like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. They just do the same thing over and over again, and it ends up in wins. It's, you know, consistency can be a little bit boring. So I understand why you like to go to the places You just do the same thing over and over again and it ends up in wins.

Consistency can be a little bit boring. So I understand why you like to go to the places where everyone's hair is on fire. You just got a microphone. You guys were good, huh? You know what? That would be one of my better questions in the last couple of months. So write me a few more if you've got them. All right.

Well, I do have a question for you. Kemper put out his trade board today. The jets are fantastic. Does it make it harder to make a big move knowing it's like, we don't want to upset how perfectly things are going here. Yeah, it's so interesting because their second line had been a problem last year and it had been a problem for the majority of this past year as well. And then all of a sudden now Nemesnikov and Perfetti and Ehlers look to have figured it out, right? And the Jets have had time to let things breathe and for people to figure things out, you know, because their first line is carried so much and when they're not doing it, their defensive

structure really is this, you know, what makes this team so good. And then you've got great goaltending and everything like that. So they've had the time. And then you've got great goaltending and everything like that. So they've had the time. And now all of a sudden that line is doing well. And you've got this little wrinkle where before he got injured, they moved Adam Lowry up to the second line center role.

And it worked, like it worked really well. He and, you know, he may, you may not think he's the same thing as Nikolai Ehlers, but they're both at the heart of it. Straight line players who like to get to the front of the net and that just worked so well between them. So it's almost like you've got these built in options that you can go to, which exist already. I think the Jets need to see a little bit more runway with that second line to know

whether or not they want to address it. But, you know, I'll say this, I think there was a little bit of a tell with Scott Arneal today who talked about, you know, some of the players in the dressing room, Mason Appleton had said, you know, almost came with the if it ain't broke, don't fix it kind of thing. We're the best team in the league. And you know, why mess with that? Scott Arneal, I thought had a little bit of a tell where he said, you know, you take a look at the teams that have gone really deep the last number of years.

They are, you know, dripping in depth. They've got all kinds of options. If you want to tweak things and go against a heavier kind of lineup, you've got that option. You want to go faster, you've got that option. So I think there's always something to be said about, you know, not upsetting the mix, but I wouldn't worry about that if I were the Winnipeg Jets because as guys come in and out of the lineup, all the guys that they've brought in from the Manitoba Moose who have

been a struggling hockey team this year come up and they're all popping when they come up. So I think the Jets are that kind of team that, you know, you walk and you always hear this, you know, it's easy. when you're playing well, it's easy. I know exactly what I'm supposed to do, my role is really defined. The Jets, all their roles are really defined. So I think whoever they bring in,

and if you're bringing in hockey players, I don't see them having a hard time fitting in and working with this Jets team. You're watching and listening to Sean Reynolds, SportsNet reporter in Winnipeg, covering and doing a great job for us on Hockey Night in Canada. So Sean, in just saying what you're saying,

and Winnipeg could probably win the next eight out of 10 games that they play, but I don't think anyone will ever truly believe that like they'd be one of the favorites. It's Edmonton, it's Vegas, to your point a little bit here. And is there a danger if Kevin Chevaldayoff doesn't do something rather significant on the year that they should really go for it,

it could come back and bite him? Yeah, I'll go with that. I agree with that 100% because I think that this is, and let's be honest with ourselves in years past like last year you know Sean Monahan was one of the best gets as a centre and the Jets went out and got him and at the trade deadline they went out and they got Tyler Tafulli they probably should have addressed their back end a little bit more than they did but the Winnipeg Jets are a team that when they've thought they had a chance to do it,

they go out and they add. So I'm not expecting them to do anything less. I think that they're going to be even busier than they were last year. But to your point, Kipper, everything with this Winnipeg Jets team and where they are right now, I think started two years ago in the off season when everyone thought that they were going to be losing and I think those players thought they were moving on as well, but Mark Shifely and Connor Hellebuck. And the pitch that they kept them on there was like, well, we know you want to win a Stanley Cup and we want to win a Stanley Cup. So what we can promise you is whatever we need to do to win a Stanley Cup as an organization, we are going to do. And so I think that that promise was like no doubt Connor Helbuck, after that happens, he goes out, he wins a Vezina. He's going to win another one this year. He very

well could win a Hart Trophy the way things are going. Mark Shifely, second in the league in goals. He's having the best year he's ever had before. Those players have held up their end of the bargain, so I would expect them to expect the Winnipeg Jets as a franchise to hold up that end of the bargain. And to be honest with you, the way that Kevin Sheveldayoff conduct himself, the way that owner Mark Chipman wants this team to be, I would expect nothing less than them to spend or go get whatever they feel is in their power to put this team in the best possible situation to win a cup.

Shonen preparing for a chat today. I'm looking through the Jets stats. They're first in the NHL in goals for per game, first in the NHL in goals against per game. You know, kind of go through the whole thing. It's just like man, they're kind of good all over. The thing that stands out to me is their first in powerplay percentage at 33.8%. I'm just toggling back through the years to find out what the highest was every year. Ten years ago, 23%, 24 or 5 was the best you would see in the NHL. They're head and shoulders above what the best powerplays have been. The Leafs kind of struggled to

find it even though they have all their talent. What makes theirs work so perfectly? Okay, so you'd like to say that it's the players, right? Because you've got Kyle Connor and Mark Scheifele, who are right there, two and three in the league in scoring. Gabe Velardi is just like, his hands are so underrated. I think top five sets of hands in the NHL. He's so good in front of the net. Nikolai Ehlers they've added in there.

The perfect you know top quarterback in in Josh Morrissey. You know and you'd like to say that it's just the personnel but it's not just the personnel because usually if they don't score the second power play unit goes out and seems to score as well. And that's a whole bunch of, you know, like Vladislav Nemesnikov and Neil Pionk and Cole Perfetti and Nino Nitori. Like this, you know, Alex Iafalo, who's typically on their fourth line jumps up there. And those guys are scoring like crazy as well. Davis Payne, I think, has just been absolutely brilliant. And what he's done is taken a power play that at the heart of it, what they do is every guy gets the puck and

he's going to take it to the net. Right? And if you don't stop him, he's going to take it to the net. He's going to do something with it. So what you're doing is every time someone gets the puck, they are forced, the defense is forced to commit. But the Jets are also really good at moving the puck. So once that guy commits, you move it to the next guy, then the next guy's forced to commit and it's five on four and eventually you run out of guys to cover and they are so good at finding the open man. And the other part about this is I've seen them go in certain nights and a team will

come in with a really aggressive power play other nights the team will come in and they'll kind of sit back a little bit you will notice in games at the Winnipeg Jets play that the quite often they'll score right off the bat because they come with a great game plan and their coaches have built something really well but on the nights where the opposition coaching staff throws in a really good wrinkle what all see is the Jets approach their next power play opportunity in the second period or the third period entirely different than the first period. What I'm saying is they learn, right?

They go into a game and they learn, they probe the soft spots in the penalty kill and they figure it out and they're guys on the bench. I saw a great interview with David Paine in the middle of the they figure it out and they're guys on the bench. I saw a great interview with David Davis Payne in the middle of the game where they were talking about the aggressive success that their opposition was having on the PK and he said, yeah we just didn't execute properly they keep doing that I like our chances on the next one and sure enough in the third period they score on the power play. They know what they're supposed to be doing their coach knows how to crack open the opposition.

So they're capable, they're smart, they've got the right mindset, and they've got a coaching staff that really knows how to crack into the opposition. I just look at this and I don't know how you stop this power play. Usually I'd have a little bit of insight on watching a team and saying, you gotta do this. I don't know. I don't know that it can be stopped. It's going to

be interesting to see what happens in the playoffs because teams obviously elevate their games. But right now the Jets look to have everybody figured out. Sean, the news comes that Sidney Crosby is going to miss his next start for the Pittsburgh Penguins. I got to think Mark Shafely already has a bag packed and it's sitting at the front door and it's got a ticket already for Montreal if in fact, Sid cannot play in four nations. What are your thoughts on Mark Shifely? Oh, well, I had said early on watching the way he was playing, Mark Shifely is going to be playing for Team Canada on my podcast. And you know, when you make these proclamations, people love to point out when you're wrong.

And I've been saying very loudly, I wasn't wrong. Team Canada was wrong on this one. There is no way Mark Shifely should have been left off this team. He's big, he's strong, he's extremely committed to defense. He's so good at in tight plays. If you give him space, he's strong, he's extremely committed to defence, he's so good at in tight plays, if you give him space he'll kill you. He can score, he can pass, and I mean I take a look back, if you just want some history of him with good players, when he played on Team North America he made his way from the

fourth line up to playing alongside Conor McDavid. He can play with stars, he can play with regular players. Mark Shifely, it was a crime that he was left off he can play with regular players. Mark Shifely, it was a crime that he was left off this and now I know Mark Shifely's got a history. I know Mark Shifely at times has been his own worst enemy and I think he's been that with Team Canada. I think that caught up with him here. But it was, it is going to be, especially considering that this for the most part I think is just going to be a tune- up for the Olympics, getting Mark Shifely in a Team Canada jersey and seeing him play alongside a lot of the players that you are going to be wanting, trying to win

an Olympic gold medal for you, I think is really... If you are a Canadian hockey fan, you want to see Mark Shifely get into that jersey and get into this tournament because if he keeps playing like this and you know he's a committed guy I don't see him slowing down I would be blown away if he doesn't find his way onto the Olympic roster next season. And hey let's be honest though like one of the only two or three guys you wouldn't want to see miss it for Shifely or Crosby you know like it's like yeah like can listen love Seth Jarvis but maybe you could tweak an ankle for Shifely or something that might be

nicer but losing the captain and you know guy who's on pace to maybe just maybe I mean you know a lot of people don't think you'll do it but I didn't think Ovi was gonna get here as fast as he is I take a look at Crosby and I think you know he keeps playing the way he is a couple more years he's knocking on the door of second all-time and scoring that's not the kind of guy you want to lose especially when he's still playing at a point per game pace. Yeah pretty baffling stuff so good to take it out of Winnipeg Kip. All right well let's look around Canada a little bit Sean I know you're in touch with

it all and we've seen the Vancouver Canucks sort of remake their roster a couple of major trades. You have seen how dressing room turmoil has impacted the Jets and sort of them finding themselves on the other side of that. Do you think that Elias Pedersen has to go to or do you think he can be a part of things healing for the Canucks? I don't know enough about what went wrong there to know if that's the case. I know I've talked with some people who thought that you know Vancouver is thinking maybe they're gonna have to get rid of both. Let's look at it though from the Jets perspective because what I do know is the Jets

are at a place now where they are so unbelievably committed and I think right now they're playing the most honest game in the NHL, right? Like they've won seven in a row and they've won seven in a row because for seven straight nights I've watched them outwork the opposition. That it's not just that they're good and they're good enough to win games that they're not the better of the two teams but they're going out and they're leaving no question. That didn't used to be the Winnipeg Jets. The Winnipeg Jets I think used to play a very dishonest game. Connor Helbuck got the reputation he

did because the Jets would just disappear in front of him and leave it to him to kind of save the day. They do have very opportunistic scoring. So I can't tell you how many games I watched where the Jets were just putrid on the ice. Their goalie kept them in it and they went out and popped three goals in Third period and beat, you know, the lowly Ottawa Senators three two. That's how they used to play The Jets got there by fixing their room You've heard and I mean we see Rick bonus works around their works on hockey night in Canada So I know a lot of people out there have had conversations with them

on hockey night in Canada, so I know a lot of people out there have had conversations with them. He came in and he knew he needed to fix the room and clearly they needed to move a couple guys to do it and those guys in the end were pretty obvious. It was Blake Wheeler and it was Pierre-Luc Dubois and ever since then that room has got tighter and tighter and tighter. And here's the deal, you know, Mark Shifely adores Blake Wheeler. Josh Morrissey adores Blake Wheeler. Connor Hellebuck, Kyle Connor, these guys adore that guy. Kind of similar to JT Miller in the sense that, you know, people look and they think,

well, how can it be a bad rumor? How can he be a bad influence if the guys love the guy? And in the end, there's just certain things that get away in the way of team unity and if you can get them out of the way I think the Winnipeg Jets are an example that you can cure cancer. There was a cancerous dressing room they've cured it and now this is what you see a Winnipeg Jets team look like and I think I can tell you guys I went in when Vancouver came rolling through town they were pretty low all that stuff was going on

Elliot Friedman had come into town to go see the team there and I walked in and I was in that dressing room and I Talked to one of my you know partners in the media and I said this room feels like the Jets room felt five years ago And I turned I'd said to that person whatever stock you have in the Vancouver Canucks, sell it right now. Because that room looks damaged to me. That said, they've moved that player, you know, a guy who is clearly central to whatever was going on there. And now you're seeing a little bit of a bounce back. I'm interested to see how long it carries on for. But you can, I mean, I think Winnipeg was the test case if you talk to Rick bonus on like The things you need to do to clear the path to let a room heal and let a room breathe

And I think they've started that process in Vancouver So clearly you like the Calgary Flames chances of getting that last wild card spot Well, but they moved the guy right like they they moved JT Miller out of there and all of a sudden they're getting results. I mean, Vancouver was the team that was, you know, duking it out for first in the NHL for most of last year and then they fall off this year. I always, you know, again, every time I'm on with you, Kipper, I'm sure you've seen a lot.

I'm sure you've seen a lot of rooms that really stunk and I'm sure you've been in some really, really great rooms before. And sometimes it can be like heading in a direction and you don't even know that it's going there. And then suddenly it's there. I'm wondering with Vancouver what's going to happen now, now that it's out of the way, maybe guys are going to be able to be more themselves. Maybe they can come back there.

The one thing I know is they've got the higher end capabilities than Calgary has. Calgary is only hope is they just need to outgrind you. That's going to be tough to get over the finish line just being that team that grinds and grinds and grinds and gets out points. When you're Vancouver, any team can grind. If you can get them working and Rick talk, it's brilliant. You can get them grinding, but they also can win games with a skill level that Calgary

can't. Well, just Demko right like right did that have something to do with How he feels lately is it coming off the injury where it's like it's behind him mentally now But that guy hits another level and starts looking like Connor Hellebuck Changes the dynamics in Vancouver Yeah, well and I mean I guess you're kind of getting that from in Calgary with Wolf, right? Like they're, they already have that, right? So you make a good point. If you're adding pieces to the puzzle to complete that playoff picture, Demko's game, that puzzle piece has been missing.

Whereas in Calgary with Wolf, that puzzle piece has been very present and you know probably one of the biggest reasons they are where they are right now so you add that and there's yeah I think you make a great point it's just there's a lot of things that you could start clicking in and going right for the Vancouver Canucks it'll be interested to see if those pieces start falling into place now that they've cleared a little bit of air out of the dressing room. Sean last one for me just chat about the the Ottawa Senators here they're in a playoff hunt a real one potentially play the Leafs in playoffs a couple of ways that things shake out that seems very possible they

have had some injury issues but are you are you a believer you like the way this team is constructed as a potential playoff team? I like the way they're constructed. I like their coaching and I like it a lot. Travis Green, so I've done a lot of sorry, Senator's Games on Hockey Night in Canada this year and Green is one of those coaches that you just love talking to because he's not afraid to tell you the truth of the matter and he kind of gets in there and this is a guy I think who just walked in and I think his coaching staff were brilliant

in going through that room before they got in there, addressing all the different guys, addressing what he thought they needed and coming up with a plan for every single player on how they could increase their game. I just love this story. They had a game earlier this year early on they were playing The Rangers and they outplayed the Rangers and it was when we still thought the Rangers were you know a cup contender and they

Outplayed the Rangers but got Shisterkined and and lost the game one to nothing and I love this Green tells us that he was you know went out and he saw Claude drew afterwards And this is still when they're trying to figure out how to be a team that grinds, right? And a team that like shows up night after night. And he says to Giroux, you know, how'd you think we played tonight? And Giroux says, I thought we were great. I thought we, I thought we were the better team. I think that we should have won that game, right?

And so the story is that that's Friday night. They're flying home to Ottawa where I'm waiting to do the game and then they're playing on back-to-back nights And so Green says I agree with you We better do it again tomorrow and and the the idea behind it is he's been trying to nail into those guys nothing matters more than consistency and what I've seen from it is the Senators had a really good run of hockey right before Christmas and then they tailed off and I think all of us watching them the last couple years are thinking okay the other shoe is about to drop here they fall and Green is getting them into that never

satisfied kind of thing it's okay to fall but you got to get back up so yeah I think they were doing great. They ran into Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay is that team that has that capability and they flex their muscles on them. I like the I like the chances that Green is going to get this team back on track to bounce back. I think they're not as fragile as they've been in the past. I think they've got their mindset on where they want to go. I like the team and I like their chances. Great stuff, Sean. Really appreciate you coming on today.

Here on the Real Kipper and Boren show, we like to think that we perform as honest as the Winnipeg Jets do every night. It's not what I'm seeing, guys, but it's a mark to get to. That's good analysis, I'd say. And by the way, I don't know for people that cannot see him on Zoom, you've got great hair today. Every once in a while I get a text saying, you know, JB's got great hair, but you're killing them right now.

It's got like a frosted tip in the front. What are you got? Some blonde streaks? You know what it is. It's actually, it's like a veneer. It's like having like fake teeth on the front. I just worked out and I gave it a little slick, but if I turn like this, you can see the fault and all that's going on back there.

It's a, I'm just barely holding it together guys. Yeah, exactly. So great job again. We usually get Doug McClain, he's a little under the weather, but you know, your segment here with the great hair and no crustiness was fantastic today, buddy. Thanks Sean. Thanks for doing this. Hey, before I go, I just wanted to say great list, Kipper, and it's people very, very interested

in it in Winnipeg because, again, I think they're going to add. I think you nailed a lot of names on that list and a lot of those names, I our names at the Winnipeg Jets as a franchise are looking at so great job Wow, we're dumping Doug every Friday you give me compliments like that John Reynolds. Thank you very much my friend Thanks, bud. Have a great weekend Bye. Bye. I just want to like read your list just name after name. He's the man. I love Sean You want to do that now? We're gonna do game time and then we're gonna come back and we're gonna go through we're gonna literally go name by name Okay, he just listed the league who's not in the playoffs. That's who's available

People what I didn't find out working in this business is that people just care about trades like trades are So it gets the start of the year and then you make it into like this time and all people care about his trades trades trades It's been the one consistent thing since I first started working at Sportsnet in 1998 is this the hockey trades and we have trades in baseball but it's not at least up here it's not the show yeah football whatever the case is basketball. Basketball deadlines getting end into the NHL in terms of interest I think you know, they did a bunch for it yesterday, but it's not it's not a baby Traded line smokes the Stanley Cup final and ratings

Game time, I don't know if that's true by the way. Yeah, well Super Bowl Say if it's if it's Dallas and Florida this year It's game time presented by bet365. Visit the app, play the solids, and find out why it's never ordinary. At bet365, must be 19 plus, Ontario only. Please play responsibly. So you were asking for some Super Bowl stuff,

and I got it for you. You could spend legitimately all day on bet365. Calling through the mountains. Calling through all the stuff that's on here, and I'm not gonna do a ton of it, because there's just so many different things that you can bet on. But they have the Swiftie specials.

Like I think I mentioned it earlier in the week. And I'm not really a Swiftie, so I don't really know the names of her songs, right? But all these are named after, like is 1989 a thing? Yeah, yeah. Right? What is that, a big song? I think it's the name of an album for her. I think all her albums are named after years.

So, let's say, for example, they have 1989, which is a Swifty special, which means Travis Kelce to have a reception for 19 plus yards and to have 89 plus receiving yards. So it's crazy stuff like that I don't know who's very great cocked it whoever did that very creative stuff But the things that I wanted to bring up I just want to look at the good old-fashioned line and it's really tight here The Kansas City Chiefs are slight favorites on the money line. They're minus 120 the Philadelphia Eagles are plus 100. I have to say

Philadelphia Philadelphia Eagles are plus 100. I have to say, Philadelphia, fantastic football team. I really, really like the trenches for them. Great offensive line, great defensive line. Their defense is great, great running back. Plus money. I just can't do it. But here's what else you know, is that the books, you know, they're designed to try to get bets

on both sides of things. There's gonna be a lot of bets on Kansas City because they're famous. People know them. It's the one time they bet a year, whatever. They're also fantastic. Of course. But this to me says that the Eagles are probably a good bet. I think in a football only sense. Yes. The Eagles are a live, live, live, live underdog. But when it gets down to it, it's third and eight and it's Patrick Mahomes.

When he's going gonna scramble the Sideline get the first down throw to Travis Kelsey and the cheese are gonna win the Super Bowl with all the things that come With that you blaming the refs and all the oh, and I'm wearing my ref hat today. Uh, so the last thing I'll bring up I was mentioning all the trial at Travis Kelsey stuff He was not featured much against the Bills. I think he only had two catches potentially that came the bill still found a way to lose featured much against the Bills. I think he only had two catches potentially in that game. The Bills still found a way to lose. Anyways, that's either here or there.

Give me Travis Kelsey to score the first touchdown of the Super Bowl at plus 750. I love that number. And on the other side of it, if you wanted to pick an eagle in that, I love Jalen Hurts to score the first touchdown of the game plus 550, because they get down to the goal line, they do their stupid little tush push, and he scores the touchdown. So those would be my two picks for the first touchdown of the game plus 550 they get down to the goal line They do their stupid little touch push and he scores the touchdown

So those would be my two picks for the first touchdown of the game and I cannot wait even though I despise both of these Franchises yeah cool and over under on KFC eating in pounds on the weekend by you or no, I'm going to a party. Just gonna party. Yeah Hopefully you didn't get invited Just gonna party. Yeah Hopefully you didn't get invited I'm going to a party show my boy John unbelievable cook I'm really looking forward to it too big of a party because you can't watch the game. Yeah, you're right You're a hunt. No worst take of all time. No, it's not

And why don't you get you guys are guys are doing it then you get up take a leak someone's in your seat Can't have that Kimber you have a mansion buddy. You got to have enough seats for everybody Can't have that. Kipper, you have a mansion, buddy. You gotta have enough seats for everybody. Anyways, I've never gone to a Super Bowl party like, I can't watch the game. Sit on the couch and watch the game. You're just too social.

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We were talking about it a little bit in the break. But next week with the Four Nations face off and the No NHL Hockey. On Monday coming off the weekend. So we'll do the Leafs coming off playing against the Canucks. We'll be doing two hours. Oh, one more show. For two hours. And then from Tuesday to Friday, we'll be on from five to six only. So just the national hour We'll be doing two hours. Two hours. And then from Tuesday to Friday, we'll

be on from five to six only. So just the national hour we'll be doing. We'll still chat some lease in there I would imagine, but there won't be much. We'll be doing more of the tee up stuff for the Four Nations and trying to get on some bigger guests for, I guess that's my job that I'm talking about on the air. But anyways, so yeah, we'll be only on it for an hour from Tuesday to Friday next week. But on Monday we're a regular two hours from four to six. So there you go. And I'm going to be writing about the Four Nations face off too. Let's go.

As a reminder, this hour Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by bet 365. We get into some news and notes around the National Hockey League, which will center around my trade deadline board that you can find on sportsnet.ca. Left a few names on. The one that people are probably asking me the most about is Miko Rantinen, who was traded, what, two weeks ago? Two and a half weeks ago to Carolina. Over two weeks ago tonight.

And yet, I won't take him off my list. Interesting, so the implication here is if the Florida Pan- sorry, if the Carolina Hurricanes don't feel like they can re-sign Rantanen, they don't want to risk losing them for nothing. They don't want the cancel situation. And they might still flip them. That's the word I'm getting is that they were willing to make this trade, but I'm not sure they were willing to watch another top player walk out the door for nothing. Especially when you consider that Ney Cash is a very good hockey player who had another year at $6.5 million. That's a heck of an

asset with tremendous value. And then end up with nothing again. So that's the theory behind that. As of this week, my understanding is that there's no significant ground or talks about ranting and signing in Carolina just yet. I mean, anything can change at any moment, but it's going to take a big number for Carolina to lock this guy down. And you can sit there and start saying, he's only got what, two points in six games? Is that right? Yeah, it's a slow start.

One goal against Chicago. I don't think that there's teams out there thinking that all this time this guy's been this great player because he got to play with Nate McKinnon. No, there's no doubt that he is a an elite scorer still playing in the Kenan helps a little bit, but there's no doubt he can create a lot of offense. So yeah, I saw somewhere that he's gotten I think he's maybe over close to uh 1.4 points per game without McKinnon in his career like he's definitely a guy that drives his own and you alluded to the fact that there's still some shell shock from getting traded going to a

new situation he's playing a lot less than like two and a half minutes less. Bednar really plays the guys plays him like I dog. Plays them. Like, I mean, Nakesh has been up over 24 a couple times already there. So. I gotta think that Carolina had to have known what they were getting themselves into. I think it's a good move. You know, it's tough to get elite, elite players. They trade to get one.

They try to make them comfortable and show them we can win and we're competitive. If he doesn't want to do it, I wouldn't blame him for saying we just can't take that risk. But they need to be having talks right now and trying to make that happen, trying to push it over the finish line. Let's get to some other names on the list unless you want more on that. I'm good there. Brad Marshand. Yeah, I don't hear that they've made it a top priority as of now. I think they're still trying to figure out if they've got a team that's going to make

the playoffs or not. Because they've got a lot of guys there where it's like Trent Frederick, Charlie Coyle, Brandon Carlo. Are they all on your list? Because we've broken this down into like four or five segments going into next month. I've left a few off because I just didn't prioritize them right now. But those names, 100% you're bang on here. So right now I didn't want to take Brad Marchand off, I took Kadri off, I took Anderson off.

But, but Marchand, I didn't want to go there based on again, revisiting where teams are at where the caps at what you used to be able to do in the past and what you may not feel like you can take a chance on doing in the future. Listen, Brad Marchandands a staple there. We know that. But can you still despite what you think your team or where it's going in the next few years, can you just hand out a three year contract in the ballpark of 20 million 24 at 5 million because you just want him to retire a brun. Is that enough?

Well, is it is it on the CID level of things where you're five million because you just want him to retire a brun? Is that enough today? Is it on the CID level of things where you're just handing him a retirement contract? Is, like, I don't know. But I went out, I went on with our old buddy Walker out there on Sports 1440 the other night and we were talking about who they're looking at on a trade deadline and he mentioned that some fans

out there have been kind of fantasizing about Marshand on the Oilers. Marshand and the Oilers. Imagine a top line with Dry Cytl, Marshand and David. Buddy, can you imagine watching the Oilers win the cup and Corey Perry and Marshand lifted back to back? It'd be a revolt. I still have trouble.

I still have trouble seeing Stamkos in a Nashville Predator jersey. I would have told you that Marchand and Stamkos would have been equal on. Your teams are never going to let you go. You know what though? It kind of reminds me of seeing Patrick Kane, seeing him go to the Rangers and it's all right and he goes to the Rangers and it's all right, and he goes to the Red Wings and he kind of makes some new memories there

and the whole thing. It kind of reminds me of like getting your first tattoo, where it's like, you're worried it's gonna be a big deal and like, what is it? And then you realize it's not a big deal to wear a different jersey or to get your first tattoo. And then you're like, fine, put me in another one, give me another one.

I'm fine, Marchand, it's not a huge huge deal Go play for another team that can win a cup What's the difference if you play for a second franchise or a third friend? He's not losing his Bruins legacy Hmm, none of his demin strong case he plays somewhere else the tattoo case is a strong one And I will say I feel slightly differently about Gets laugh wanting to be a one Jersey guy in Anaheim Well watching Corey Perry chase cups around the only thing that changes for me cool that gets that prioritizes family and all that stuff is Some people should but I'd be like Perry that guy Cares about cups. That's like a hockey. Yeah, and it just changes your perception a guy. What is Marsha to me?

He's a cup guy. I'm only thinking of Pete Davidson from SNL. He's taking all the tattoos off his body. And it's like, uh... He has? Oh yeah. He's zapping them. He's zapping all of them. Oh, that's a process, man.

Like, he's saying that you gotta go like 18 times and they gotta slowly like... Thousands and thousands of dollars. Burn your skin off every time. Yeah. That's crazy. Why? No, no, why did you ever put them on? I think tattoos are cool I don't have any but I think when I see somebody with tattoos like that's cool. You're a cool. You're a cool person

It's a meat shell. Yeah, I think it's cool. I'm a tattoo guy. I like it bumper sticker, right? Yeah, I was thinking about getting a big sleeve with our three faces on it Yeah, don't do that I'm not going to we did Byron we talked about him the one I believe the very least Yeah, whole list you want to fight. I know exactly what you're gonna say and I totally agree Barney Sam Bennett Yeah, there's no way that's that's on here. I again, I Just watching ranting in and watching all of it, I just won't take them off my list and I'm with you and I write it.

It's in the description that this one's going to be a tough one to move for a team that is trying to do something that very seldom teams get a chance to do and that's when back to back Stanley Cups. But there's still an issue there in the division say what you will about the salary cap, but they're They're millions apart from what? Sam thinks he's worth or what? Florida is willing to pay him next year. So if you're willing to take that chance of renting your own player He's he's not going anywhere. Yeah, I think they would do that over trade him

I'm having it if anything else. He's not having a wonderful year this year think they would do that over trade him not having anything else He's not having a wonderful year this year Sam Bennett, you know, he's You know, you don't judge him by his what do you fight the other day? Don't judge him by his scoring clearly but like you'd like him to score a bet. He's 17 go with dash 13 this year He's still the one of the best gamers, of course And I would love him on the lease a hundred percent imagine they traded yeah Zach team you're sure about Braden Jen well as you see let's talk St. Louis hold on yes you got my I think my buddy Mike Snyder who texted me about ask Kipper about bridge I think Braden shit my sorry my friend

Mike started this trade rumor I think he started it no I've ever heard no one had said it until I told him my buddy said it reasonable suggest It's not no one had said it was Mike. I didn't say he was first. He's created he invented St. Louis has gone through this kind of last week and a half two weeks of Can we can we? Go on a nice little run at home here and get ourselves back in it. I think it's to the point now where The answer is no. Last night was devastating. Yeah.

They give one up in 11 seconds. I don't... You're talking about trading another captain here. We just talked about Marchand in Boston. We're talking about the same thing here. He's 33 years old. He's got multiple years left on a deal. He's got a no move. He'd have to agree to it, but it's not stopping teams from calling. And imagine Doug Armstrong is getting a lot of calls. Doug's in that kind of a listen to anything mode right now.

You got Pavel Buchnevich, Jordan Kyrew. Who hasn't started his extension yet. Six years times eight or something. Kyrew, Justin Falk, Jordan Ky eight or something. Yes Yeah, I Rue Justin fall in Cairo as well Yeah, I Rue a if he can't move boosts nevich. He'll take a look at Cairo who has No trade or no move kicking in in July. It's wide open right now And so it's one of those things where I know he told us on our show He's got five first round picks coming in the next coming years

Eventually those guys when they're good are going to need money. If you don't believe Kai Rue is going to be relevant in three, four years when these guys are good. Yeah. Yeah. I can see Kai Rue moving. I don't think Craig Barube wants him here. The thought a few years ago was that you're going to build around Robert Thomas and Kai Rue. And I think he might be halfway there right now. There won't take calls on Thomas. I would not take a call on Robert Thomas But he's a really good player Kai Rue. Yeah Bob Tom. Yeah, there's talk here which David's I like as it just completely dried up the Pareto stuff Because he was the number one guy last year. Everybody talked about a couple weeks ago

I don't he wouldn't have conversations on Pareco I don't know where it is now, but I think out of the three and Tory Krug's is on long-term IR But he desperately tried to get out of that contract last summer Oh, yeah, yeah, they tried to yes trade it to Philly. So Justin folks there at 6.5 as well. I don't think Justin Falks played 35-40 playoff games if there's one guy that could maybe want to take a crack at it as early as this year. The whole thing with some of these guys still at 6.5 or whatever and now we're getting into

Seth Jones is on my list and Eric Carlson's on my list is How much can you get to eat money? No one's gonna do anything without eating money. So that's just that's just the way it is so I had heard that there's Significant talks between Chicago and Dallas for Seth Jones. Wow this being haste and concerns probably but yeah, I'm sure but that would be like either bringing in a third team and like any time that you got to shrink a guy's salary, you got to pay for it. So either I'm paying you or I'm paying a third team,

but it gets expensive, but it's a way to make it work. And Eric Carlson only has two more years less at $10 million. So if- Make it eight. If eight, 7, 6, can you talk them to talk to us to eat $10 million just to get it off your books and pick up significant assets for it? Well, the only way you're doing it is if you are picking up assets and you're assuming you're not going to be good next year anyway, and it's going to run out the clock and the caps going up.

So yeah, we'll have three of it or whatever for I i'm intrigued by Eric carlson may be going back to ottawa I just could you imagine autos d with sanderson carlson and shabat? Yeah, I mean I God, how could you get a handle on that group? I mean they make some mistakes, but create some too. There, he'd be nervous bringing them in a room, but there's some history there, success in the past. Would he be more comfortable there again? 2016, that's a long time ago. I'm not, this is all valid. No, like just like when he was there, when's the last season he played was 2017 there. It's valid all of its valid, but You can't go out and find these guys. They're hard to get

Right. No kidding. They're like they're just you want to try to get your team better you I'm Ottawa really Really has to make the playoffs this year. Although I helped the Leafs. He would help the Leafs? Yes. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. I'm good. I know. Oh sure. That's where you have to have a lot of confidence in your room. And I'm not sure Ottawa is. Oh Toronto. There. Some big names on the list. You got Nelson got Dylan cousins Besser only goalie is John Gibson Outside of that it's your gift to be honest with you Gorgie won't give me another name. No, but like who would for give isn't that what is Nick? Like who would right who would well group hours out there too?

Like I don't there's there's this theory now out there that you don't you need three good goalies Right at least gonna trade Matt Murray. I Don't think so. No, no He's the third guy at least of all teams do yeah, Philly Rasmus Ristel lining Scott Lawton I like him. I like him or Carlo in Edmonton Yeah, the lining. Yes, you know, I think we're still I don't come a long way I think a lot of these really long-range II guys take a long time to really be the best versions of them self But Edmonton would need to get Carlo's salary down is about two and a half to seven Edmonton who said anything about Edmonton

Was that he did? Yeah, he said he wanted he liked risk lining or a car. Oh, yeah He did. He said he liked Rhys Delaney and Euracar all over. You got to get those salaries down and you got to give up some assets, some recent assets. Matthew Olivier? Still I got to go by what Donnie Waddell told us on our show about a month and a half ago. Loves him, doesn't want to move him, but I don't know what it's gonna cost two and a half three million dollars a year can he get ten to twelve million dollars on a on a long-term deal I think he can pretty effective at his role yeah and a lot of contenders right now would love to have him on your fourth line as much as they would love to have Alex Kerfoot if Brad if Brad living traded

for a kerf a pack I'd have to, I would not do the Lawson Krause is on my list. And again, I don't think Utah's in a position to give them away. But if you make us an offer, we can't refuse. He's interesting to me. Yeah. What if Utah feels any pressure to like add and keep being competitive and their first season before they name their team. Gross is huge. Huge. Huge. Yeah, they're hard to find. 6'4", 220. Anyways, like I said, if you get a chance, go on sportsnet.ca and take a look at the list. Love to get your thoughts. All right, week's over. Ladies and gentlemen, Doug McClain. The weekend. Not feeling well. We wish

you the best. I don't know. Sometimes I kind of think, you know, is he pulling a Ferris Bueller on us? Bueller. Is he going to end up in a parade singing Twist and Shout? Maybe he lost it all last night. Or is he really sick? Bueller.

Bueller. He's at Doug McClain. Reach out and tell him... Bueller. ...you'll get well soon for us, okay? Yeah, great. Have a great weekend, everybody.