Real Kyper & Bourne - Jets Dominate the Details + Oilers' Wasted Comeback

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne welcome in Sportsnet Jets reporter Sean Reynolds (4:35) to look back on Winnipeg's 2-1 win over the St. Louis Blues to take a 2-0 series lead. He gets into what the keys to success have been for the Jets through 2 games, Mark Scheifele elevating in the playoffs, Logan Stanley's series-shaking hit on Jordan Kyrou, why the team isn't living and dying with Connor Hellebuyck like Jets teams of the past and much more. Later, Nick and Justin regroup with Sam McKee to look back on last night's playoff action including Connor McDavid and the Oilers' wasted comeback, and Alex Ovechkin's overtime heroics in Game 2 against the Habs. Finally, the three react to the Islanders dismissing GM Lou Lamoriello and discuss what comes next for the veteran executive.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Into the Stanley Cup playoffs. I think your mic's off there, Kip. No, it's on. Start over. We are... Nope. Still on. Test, test, one, two.

Test, test, one, two. My lights are... We are knee deep. Come on, give it a try. Give it a try. I have no idea what was after that. Line. Test one, test two. Oh, I guess Kipper's just doesn't work. Come on. Give it a try. Give it a try. I have no idea. What was after that line test one test two Oh, I guess kippers. It doesn't work. All right. Hi. Okay. Let's carry on. Oh, you're back. It's cutting in and out

People heard him the whole time. Oh It was us who didn't hear you try one more time All right Deep in the Stanley Cup playoffs right here on the Real Kipper and Boran show. Oh no. Oh, the jersey. And Sammy forgot about changing the jersey again. What do you have for us?

Sammy was so excited because we had Adam Copeland on in our Leaf Hour edition of our program. If he didn't catch it, fantastic guest. Yes, he was wonderful. Loves hockey, loves the Leafs. Can't mention that on the national hour though. He was a proper cool dude. He was great. And Sammy was so excited. He forgot to change the jersey. Nonetheless, we are off and running

this hour, Real Kiprenborn, brought're off and running this hour. Real Kiprin born brought to you by bet three, six, five, Sean Reynolds, who's been a terrific guest all season long, covering the Winnipeg Jets will join us. Those first two games good on the Jets for going up to nothing, but St. Louis gave them a handful and something to think about as that they go back to Missouri for game three and four. What we did say in that first hour is that's a hockey series.

Like my God, St. Louis, Winnipeg is physical, intense, tight checking, good goaltending. Like that is a hockey series. And I think if you're a Jets fan, you got to feel really good about how the team looks in the postseason. Mike, Mark Shifely, I don't know we're gonna do game time later Yeah, you have if you'd look up his cons my thoughts a he looks really good I don't think you can get hard hit harder than Jordan Kyra got hit by Logan Stanley last night

That's up. There was a buffling on someone. That's an all-time Greek guy though that guy Rue. Yeah, right doesn't miss a shift Like I saw Whitney tweeter I show that to an NBA player like if that was LeBron James he would have turned to dust like he would not have he would know he would have elevated he would have been gone yeah soccer player wouldn't have even existed any that was though that was the type of hit that whatever purposes serves on that play it serves a purpose for the series yes coming through the neutral zone you're thinking hesitating we're gonna ask Sean Reynolds as well as we wait for him but what is the difference between St. Louis getting a win or maybe two wins for you? Where's the fine line

between Winnipeg and St. Louis right now for you? I mean, Hellebuck's been good. Yeah. You know, as to the, but I just think the top end of Winnipeg's different Kyle Connor Mark Shifely. Mm-hmm. I mean those guys are tough to contain. They're smart. They're talented Wow, Kyle Connors the number one thing for me. He is how did he not play in the cold now came from USA Thank God that was American that was That was oh my Sullivan Tortorella and

Quinn I think were the coaches and I was healthy in the final and they Did not think he got his nose dirty enough to play. I Got think about that for a second stupid and and and you played Chris Crider. Crider. He was hurt. Right. And admitted that he was hurt for the rest of the season for the New York Rangers. And then you had and then you had Matthew Kachuk on the bench. Couldn't play. Played five minutes of the game.

It's like, I don't remember a ton of who didn't play over the course of international hockey over the last 30 years. I'm going to remember that you guys sat this guy out 20 years from now. Listen, you know, he skipped one of those big games or got to skip it and Shifely didn't play like this doesn't hurt them No in the postseason and it just feels like the longer Winnipeg goes the more they kind of find their bearings and I They look as good as anyone the postseason to me. Okay, let's go to Sean Reynolds sports net reporter in Winnipeg hockey night in Canada and A guy looks like he's having a lot of fun right now covering the Winnipeg

Jets. How are you Sean? Yeah, I'm great. How are you guys doing? We're good. So just give us a bird's eye view of what you've seen in the first two games before we get into some specifics. So the big question for the Jets coming into this is what keeps happening that there's such a good regular season team and then they get into the playoffs and it all seems to fall apart. What we're seeing right now from the Jets is exactly what we've seen from them all year. This really grinding, detailed, defensively conscious game, earning offensive opportunities the right way, not falling out of their structure to try and create.

Everything that we saw from them in the regular season is what we're seeing from them right now. So what it looks like to me is the Jets kind of tore things down a little bit and rebuilt, not entirely took things down because this is very much the team that Rick Bonus had set up over the last couple of years to be defensively conscious. But what we're seeing is that the Jets went through the

season and built a game in the regular season that they thought if we take this game into the playoffs it's going to give us success and that's exactly what we're seeing these last two games that you've seen the Jets play I can point to to five, six, seven, you know, that's low ball and maybe 25, 28 games that were exactly like this in the regular season where they're either tied and grind their way like they did in game two, grind their way to a victory or like we saw in game one, you know, fall behind in that game. Don't open up, don't, you know, start taking chances to get back and don't up their risk profile. Like Paul Maurice used to say, open up, don't, you know, start taking chances to get back and don't up their risk profile like

Paul Maurice used to say, they just keep grinding and doing the same thing over and over again with the expectation that they're going to get their chances and when they get those chances, they'll capitalize on them and that's what we see in a game one and two. And you know, going back, I think Winnipeg beat St. Louis in game 79 or 80. It was at a big point in the season. They grinded them out 2-1, which is three really tight wins in a row. Kip asked me before you came on what I think the separating factor is. What do you think it is that's giving them that subtle edge so far? It's a subtle edge, because I'm going to tell you this. I've been so impressed by the way St. Louis has played in this series like this.

I thought that game, too. That's the best game I've ever seen Jets 2.0 play. Like that was great hockey and the St. Louis Blues came out and they were running them like cannonballs and then the Jets just went back and did the same thing back and did it a little bit better, right? So it's like these two prize fighters and the one guy's throwing these haymakers and then the other guy counter punches with an even stronger punch. So what I think it is is the Jets, I've said this all year, their attention to detail, their commitment to doing the right thing over and over again and, you know, death by paper cuts, right? Or, you know, kind of building a mountain out of tiny little things. They just do the right play over and over and over again with the expectation that that's going to

pay off. Kyle Connor said, you know, it's like, we just go out like every shift matters. That's an old cliche, but Cole Profetti took it a step further. He's like, every play out there matters. And you can see it in game one, what leads to the game winning goal, Jordan Binnington, who's maybe the best puck playing goaltender in the league, he goes out and he gets a little bit casual with one, throws it up the boards, the Jets turn it over, they grind them out, eventually St. Louis gets the puck,

ices it down the other way, they get caught on the ice, send out Schieffle's line, they win set play in the back of the net and that all starts like 45 seconds on the game clock before that with a casual play you will not find the Jets being casual So they basically refuse to beat themselves and their attention to detail Has just been slightly better than the st Louis blues so far in this series and it's those Tiny little points in the game that they've turned in their favor and that's the difference between this being to nothing the other way guys

Because the way st. Louis is played they could be up in this series to nothing You're watching and listening to Sean Reynolds Sportsnet reporter hockey night in Canada covering the Winnipeg Jets opening round Stanley Cup playoffs here So Sean, we're I'm watching Mark Shieffley and no question that we've always regarded him as a top player, but maybe a little short of some of the best in the league, just a tear underneath. But his recent play to me has leveled the importance of his contributions to the Jets no different than McKinnon in Colorado or some of the best players to their respective clubs. Where is his level of play in your eyes and compare it to years past?

I mean, so you go back to 2018 and we knew that Mark Shifely could be this kind of player at this time of year because in 2018 he was on pace to have one of the best point performances in a playoff that has ever happened in the history of the game, right? And then they got stalled and beat by the Vegas Golden Knights so he didn't have the runway to do that. But Mark Shifely has shown in the past he's a playoff performer. This year he's just taken things to another level and I love trotting out this line because on our podcast I said earlier in the year Mark my words Mark Shifely is going to make Team Canada at the Four Nations. He didn't and the line I love trotting out is you know I thought I was wrong. I wasn't wrong. Team Canada was wrong, right? Like this guy, if he's not auditioning right now for what he did earlier this year, now what he's doing in the playoffs for that Olympic team next year, I don't know what a guy needs to do to make that team. But I mean, he's in on five goals so far in this series.

He's opened the scoring in both games. He's factored in on the game-winning goal in both of these games. You want to talk about differences, right? I'm talking about the building blocks to a victory, but if we're talking about differences in this series, Robert Thomas, who's probably the guy on the other side that you're looking to be that guy. He hasn't been able to be that guy the way that Mark Shifely is. I mean, Mark Shifely is making a difference in this series. And to kind of close out the question you asked there, Kipper,

he's doing it from such a strong defensive standpoint. So that's the difference between him and wherever he's been in his career. In 2018, he could be a little defensively deficient. After that, he went through a long stretch of time where he got to be a little defensively deficient over the years. There's a reason Team Canada stayed away from Mark Shifely. It's his past that kind of haunted him here.

The present of Mark Shifely is kind of the hallmark of everyone on this team. Josh Morrissey is a guy we talk about in Winnipeg he should be a Norris Trophy candidate because yeah, he can't score like Quinn Hughes, he can't score like Kale McCarr, but he can defend amongst the best in the league and is probably a B plus to A minus production guy, right? That's Mark Shifely right now.

What he's doing for you is he's scoring the really big goals. He's never going to, you're never gonna confuse him with Kucherov or McKinnon or McDavid in the amount of points he can score. But he's a point per game guy who is not gonna cost you defensively. He's big, he's strong, he can grind,

and he's scoring big goals. He's everything you want in a playoff performer right now. Yeah, you know, he's at the top of their lineup, you know, biggest name plays the most minutes. But I'm watching that game last night and want to ask you a little bit about their depth pair of Stanley Shin like Stanley hits Kai Rue last night and you can like see his soul leave his body like in a cartoon like Casper or something. And it was like unbelievable moment for them. How important has that pair been for the Jets? That's huge because I'm gonna tell you,

I thought Jordan Kairou was the best St. Louis Blue in the first game and I, hey, every time I'm on this show, I'm always pointing out Kipper, right? Like Kipper has been there before, he's gone to the very end before and so he knows that there's times that when there's a really good player on the other team, if you can get a hit on on them like that, you force them to kind of decide whether they're okay

with taking that kind of abuse. You're basically saying how much do you want it? Do you want it so much that you're going to grab your soul as it floats away and put it back in your body and keep going? Or are you going to kind of scale back a floats away and put it back in your body and keep going? Or are you going to kind of scale back a little bit? I thought Jordan Kairou scaled back a little bit in that game. He wasn't, you know, he didn't seem as interested. He didn't seem as at the center of things. He seemed to be a little bit standoffish after I'm going to be watching for him in games three and four to see if he can get re-engaged to the degree he was in game one. But back to that pairing, Logan Stanley is a guy who, you know, a lot of people,

a lot of fans beat on this guy throughout the year. He makes a lot of mistakes. He's been mistake prone. People have wanted him out of the lineup. The Winnipeg Jets saw something in him. Their coaches saw something in him. Their coaches saw something in him. And this is what they saw, right? They've got Josh Morrissey, they've got Neil Pionk, who can be like the offensive production guys. They've got Dylan Sandberg, who can be that quiet shutdown guy. Dylan DeMello, who's just tidy, takes care of his business. So now you've got a third pairing. What do you want to do with that? Well, they went out and they got Luke Shen and they went out and they kept and kept faith

in Logan Stanley. And now they've got that pair in that who can change games by making the other team look up when they're trying to cross that blue line, not, you know, be so, so, you know, open to be offensive and creative. They're trying to survive against those guys out there. And, and I think one of the things here that has taken Logan Stanley and really fast forwarded him down the stretch is if you're going to learn

from guys around you, who was Logan Stanley learning from to play a six foot seven big guy game before? It's not Josh Morrissey, it's not Neil Pionk. All of a sudden, Luke Shen comes in and is like, hey, this is how you block shots. This is how you punish guys. This is how you get the timing down and right. And all of a sudden those guys are scary to play against and affecting the series. Hey, the blues in both games one and two went out and tried to run the Winnipeg Jets out of the building.

They were doing a great job of doing it. The Jets didn't back down and actually turned it in the other direction and punished the St. Louis Blues. And that pairing is, you know, at the tip of the spear when it comes to doing that. You've covered the Jets, so maybe you know the answer to this. But what is the rest of the hockey world learned about the Winnipeg Jets in the first two games, either their character or their depth, when they can play the way they have without Ehlers or Vellardi? Yeah, I don't think anyone ever learns things on the outside about the Winnipeg Jets,

because it always comes back to the same lazy tropes, right? Like you'll get journalists who come in from out of town and they'll go to Scott Arneal and they'll ask him this question that was applicable five years ago, but they'll ask about this team being, you know, is this a team that leans on goaltender Connor Hellebuck too much? This is the best defensive team in hockey, right?

You know, the way they've played this year, and you could see it, that first game they played, Connor Hellebuck He doesn't have his feet underneath them allows three goals on his first ten shots And then the Jets say you know what you you just don't get to shoot on him anymore Sorry, but we're shutting it down this end of the ice is closed And so you don't need Connor Hellebuck to be on top of his game to win that game in fact He can have an off game and they're still going to find a way to win it.

So I think the thing that people don't realize about the Jets and they should, because they've won the Jennings trophy twice. They finished fourth in the league last year. They were first down the stretch and then kind of fell on their face and lost, uh, eight straight games when there was 16 games to go. What people aren't realizing about the Jets is when it comes to that Cohesiveness that you know when players a every Stanley Cup champion I've ever heard before have talked about their coaches making it easy for them, right?

I know what my role is. I know what I'm supposed to do the Winnipeg Jets right now. I think are the most Cohesive team out there. Everyone knows what they're supposed to do. Every guy is in a spot to support that guy so he can do what he's supposed to do. And it's interesting guys I take a look at a team like LA that's a great defensive team and I see that comeback that the Oilers pulled on them last night and all I'm thinking in my head is the Jets would never get caught in a situation where there would be that drastic of a comeback against a team like that. Now, I'm saying this right now and it could burn me

down the stretch and please have me back on the show and make fun of me if that happens guys loved but I'm telling you right now the Jets are so unbelievably, unbelievably detailed and dialed in. They win that guy here you want to talk differences in this series. It's the third period they've owned the third period when a team needed to elevate their game and the games right there for the taking the Jets step up shut things down defensively and then go grab and take the game there's no other outcome guys the Jets were going to win those games I

don't care what bounces happen I don't care what calls are made by the referees the Jets were going to win those games because the style of play they played was one that was not conducive to St. Louis pulling those games off in any way. This is Jetstock. So let me get into my curiosity because I see a team that is playing playoff hockey, top to bottom, good goaltending. Like I see a team with real potential for a run here. How close are Ehlers and Velardi to being able to be a part of this? So Velardi is wearing the yellow non-contact jersey. We'll see tomorrow if he's graduated out of that jersey.

Nikolai Ehlers was week to week. So he's just a big fat question mark. There's nothing I can add to this that is going to be of any value to you or your audience. But what I will say is, guys, I honestly don't think it matters because Alex Iofalo goes from the fourth line and he goes up and he's an impact player down the stretch for this team on that line with Mark Scheifele and Kyle Connor. That line is not tailing

off. They're winning this series and they're doing it with Alex Ioffel. Are they a little bit better with Gabe Velardi? I think they are. Velardi is just a little bit better at doing that. But back to the point, it's the structure that is the true strength of this Winnipeg Jets team. And all these players on this team know how to play within that structure, whether they're on line four or line one. So there's one guy on this team. There's one guy that I said when he got injured, this is going to cause this team problems. And it's Dylan Sandberg, because Dylan Sandberg is like a human wet blanket. And when he goes out there and you get really, really good players who, who, you know, set up the defense, like, you know, the chess boards and they open things up and they open up that backdoor tap in pass, they'll throw

it through and four guys on the Winnipeg Jets will be fooled by it and then out of nowhere The stick of that big six foot five guy will come out break up that pass turn it up the ice the other way He is I've told it said this before we all saw with jacob slavin How important that role is at the four nations to have that shut down guy? That he is the most unheralded guy in the league right now for how good he is defensively and how one man band he is when it comes to shutting things down. Other than that, the Winnipeg Jets are a team that it's plug and play. Hey, if you were watching the game last night, one of the nicest plays was pulled off by David Gustafson, who usually doesn't play and pops into the Jets lineup and almost pops

the game winning goal. It like Rasmus Kapari can come in and do this. Dominic Tanninato, I can list off a whole bunch of black aces that your audience is not gonna know out there. They can come in this lineup and they can be an impact on that lineup because everything is so defined. Everyone knows how to play their roles. Their team as a whole is what makes them good,

not the individual. Sean, one more for me, and that's just over the course of history in Winnipeg with the NHL, the whiteout has never felt better about their hockey club. Yeah, yeah. Kay, you nailed it. I wanted to talk about this with some people I missed out on it on our podcast last night.

Back in 2018, the Vegas Golden Knights to a degree broke the whiteout, right? Because that year, I'll still say it, the Winnipeg Jets were the best team in hockey. They were cruising. They beat the Nashville Predators, who were the President's Trophy winners in seven, and they thought they were gonna win the cup.

Elliot Friedman chatted with this, with Conor Hellebuyck, and he called it the unthinkable that they lost to the Vegas Golden Knights. And I remember at that time, people in Winnipeg were like, we're going to win the cup here. And then all of a sudden Vegas turned it on them and they broke that place. The White Out ever since then has been this place

that is loud and crazy, but fragile. And when things go wrong in the White Out, the audience can get really, really quiet. These are two games against St. Louis that, you know, they could have gone either way. And we didn't see that. There's this calmness and this, you know, confidence in the whiteout now. I always thought Montreal was the best place that I've ever covered a playoff game where their fans just know what a fan is supposed to be. You don't get quiet when things are tense. That's when the team needs you the most, right?

Montreal fans always got that. Winnipeg was the ultimate place and it almost worked against you because you're so over the top loud and then things get tight and everyone goes quiet. It's not happening this year. There's a confidence to the white out this year. It's different this year, guys. It's affecting the team on the ice. It's affecting the opposition in the way that you saw some of those young guys taking, you know, bad penalties in that first game. The white out is the best version of itself right now, the same way the Winnipeg Jets are the best 2.0 version of the Jets I've ever seen. Wow, was that some Jets talk.

Buddy, they're looking good. Awesome stuff, man. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, I love being on guys. Thanks for that. We love having you as well, my friend. Thanks Sean, appreciate it. Yeah, talk to you later.

Buddy, I've got to tell you, I like- Jets talk, friend Sean appreciate it. Yeah, talk to you. I'm tell you like that's talk, baby. Love it you you Just watch those two games and that's a hockey club right now. That's Gonna be tough to beat they had a lot of guys that were just a bit better than everyone's thoughts like Sam Burke better than you Thought pionk better than you thought. Yeah, who's the other D that he plays with? I don't know DeMello better than you thought You know They just they're pretty solid all the way through man like we put that capitals jersey up there cuz the I did because I was Just rushing because I forgot the jersey again, but good planning. Thank you

Habs and Cavs play last night and we exchanged tax being like blues would spank either of these teams It feels like the blues are such a good Blues would spank either of these teams. It feels like the Blues are such a good That's not your normal eight seed and but the Jets are just the best team illegal. They're doing everything they can they just Can't gain an inch. I Love that just talk. Do you want to do game timer? Do you want to talk Lou before we do? No, go game time. We'll pick up a little after the break She's here game time presented by bet three six five visit the for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary. Bet365 must be 90 plus on Terran.

Only please play responsibly. So you wanted to check in on the Cons My Thoughts, which I love doing throughout the playoffs and the way too early check-ins after two games in most of the series. Who do you think the favorite is? Well, I mean, before the playoffs started, you're talking about? No, right now.

It's right now. Five odds. McDavid. The favorite is Connor Hellebuck. 12 to one. Wow! I go shy-flee. I go shy-flee over him.

So, the top five faves here are Connor Hellebuck, Nathan McKinnon Sebastian Aho is the third favorite. How do you get there? How does he sneak in? Wow, I guess he had a great guy Jack Eichel, I guess I got to have somebody on one of the teams that look great in the first game Jack Eichel Alexander Ovechkin at 22 to 1 Kailh Mekar 22 to 1 McDavid all the way down at 25 to 1 If you want to get Mark Shifely McDavid all the way down at 25 to 1 If you want to get Mark Schaefle

He is 40 to 1 right now is your time this feels right now Yeah, like we're having the conversation about the Leon dry saddle thing that we had earlier in the year 40 to 1 for Mark Schaefle. Yeah, 40 to 1 for Mike Schaefle. Some of the other names in there Matthew's 28 to 1 Mitch Marner is 30 to 1 so they're both around the same. What's Kyle Connor? Kyle Connor is 30 to 1 as well. So there you go. Some of the games on the ice tonight there's four games at very weird start times tonight. I don't know if you've seen some of them but it's 6 p.m. puck drop Carolina in Devils. 35 minutes.

The the Golden Knights and Wild they start at 1 a.m. Basically, it's 11 p.m. Puck drop there The Leafs start at 730 at Scotiabank Arena heavy favorites tonight minus 165 and I've talked about this many times during by about 365 segments a Prime spot for any leaf fan listening to this for a happiness hedge you get the you get the Ottawa centers at a plus number It's a big game for the Leafs so make them feel different if they win this game you're happy either way plus 140 the Ottawa Senators we're not happy but at least you get a little bit of you know some financial reimbursement for feeling sad pain and the last one I'll bring up

Tampa and and the Florida Panthers get their series underway tonight we'll talk about Matthew Kachuk potentially playing or not playing minus 115 Tampa minus 105 Florida Panthers, they think it's gonna be a tight one We think it's gonna be a tight one. So that gets underway at 830 tonight Eastern. So Yes, obviously, yeah We'll go to break and we'll discuss that Let me finish this off your fellows That was game time presented by bet 365 visit the app latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at bet 365 is for 19 plus and there only please play responsibly

So we're gonna take a quick break when we return big changes in the island. Maybe some expected it but yet somewhat of a surprise still With an executive decision there also Elliott Friedman referred to something about the league not being very happy or concerned over long-term IR guys coming back to play. Maybe that had a factor in Vander Kane not playing in Edmonton. We'll discuss that as well, including some sound from Lane Hudson with the Montreal Canadiens losing in overtime. And Knobloch from the Oilers on their disappointing loss

after coming all the way back. So plenty more on NHL News and Notes. Do not go away. That is an order. Everything you need to know about the Blue Jays, Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the program. As a reminder, this hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by bet 365. Last night, just me and the TV, the remote was a lot of fun. Romantic evening.

It was, yeah, it was really fun. And you know what though? the best part of my night was I Text you guys at about 1030 and got feathers. Oh 1 a.m You text it what you guys up watching this and then they got nothing it would I be up watching this? Okay feathers. I got out of you. What would you think? What do you I'm the old guy. I'm the guy that falls asleep. Not you guys. I fought hard. I fought hard. I was on the couch watch. I got a little too comfortable. I should have sat up. I just was one too many I close. I got half of the second period and I open my eyes and like, oh, it's three a.m. The text at39 on the Wallman play, it hit glass. What?

Wigging up at 630, like what? For the record, I watched it this morning. Okay, let's get into it. I thought I saw the glass kind of wiggle a little bit. I think it hit glass. It hit glass. But, here's the but. You're not sure. Nope. And you're not supposed to guess.

But the way the pot chain moves after that area, it implied glass to me. But it is pure speculation. Okay, let's start there. LA Kings, Edmonton Oilers, the start or the lack of it out of the Edmonton Oilers for pretty much 39 minutes and 55 seconds. That's when Leon Tricidal scored a goal 4-1. A little hope there, but your overall thought of Edmonton's slow start and ultimately losing game one You know, I am so fixated on what McDavid did to get them back into that hockey game like that goal

You just mentioned where he's wearing Anjay Kopitar and unfazed like he's got him around his neck like a scarf You know out man's a big man and then just to know where to go with the puck after that, they score under 10 seconds left. All of a sudden it's a hockey game. And then he's got byfield on his back later and does the same thing. And they're down a goal with a minute left and he beats everyone wide and out muscles and get what an absolute freak show. Yeah, it was performance.

The goals he set up were just tap it like gimme like the gimmies of all gimmies for his teammates. Corey Perry's tap it in from the blue paint. Primary assists. Yeah, four point night wasted. Unfortunately, I just I just can't I know we're going to talk about the game, but how do you not mention what that guy did last night? I had somebody text me and it's like Why don't they just put somebody on them? I'm like

Can't think of anything like like You've never played the game before. Yeah, obviously you've never what would you do? What does on him mean? There is hug him. There's not a chance that there is one individual on this planet that can manage his cutbacks. No. And you know who you think maybe could? Anjay Kopitar or like to know where by feel like big strong experience. They can't move their feet like he moves his feet. That's the key. And the strength on the edges. Right? And it's just, you can't.

Now. God that was such a sick goal. They did go down 4-0 and lose the game. I so appreciate what he did last night, but there's just, in my world, it's just not going to be enough. No. No. No. You mean just not gonna be enough. No, no No, you mean that for more than one hockey game itself. I mean that if that's basically He needs to be Superman every night. It's not gonna work. Yeah for the Edmonton Oilers

Relevant stat for the Oilers. They're now 3 and 11 and game once in the Leon and David era what is that thing does from Zach on Twitter? I saw so like they you know I Still I still a lot around I still think oilers are gonna win oilers. I do yeah, I do I look at that blue line, and I see essentially Starting game one you've you're down to five D, maybe four and a half. Yeah. What did Josh Brown play last night? Five minutes.

But he played. He majority of those minutes came after you thought the game was over at four nothing. Oh, is that right? For one. Yeah, he can't play. Yeah, they have no confidence in him. So now you're down to five D. And then what do you think of Eberson? Right. I like him. OK. But what did he play?

You know, you know, it help. A minutes Broberg Philip Broberg would help right? Sorry, you would he would you can't play you can't play NHL hockey starting game one in The first round with just 5d. It's almost like the point you're making here is that you know It's always been like power rankings of guys They can't afford to lose and it's McDavid and Dry Cytle and then and then Ekholm it's almost like Ekholm is right there with maybe Dry Cytle. And I like Wallman I do I think there was an element of him trying too hard I did not like the the roughing penalty he took on Philip

Deneau and moments before that he May have gotten away with one but you're not getting that type of Aggressiveness in front of the net to pull a guy away from your goalie. So twice borderline one on that on Lafrayer I always come up get him mixed up with Lafernier But he hammered him borderline from behind at the end of the first period right before they scored the goal Yeah, like he I'm okay with that. You call. I am too but like but to your point in the Leaf game. We saw that called Right that was a way more Like they could they could mean that was kind of similar to me, but I just think it is

You know, it's a bad sign that Bouchard played over 28, Nurse over 25, Kulak 25 minutes. And that's just the way it's gonna be. You know, no decision on the starter for game two. From Oblak. The other thing that kind of. Yeah, so Skinner conversation. Yeah, the other thing that kind of bothered me too is that they tie the game.

Excuse me. And I think on the telecast, it was, I think maybe Jack Edwards or Jack Michael, Jack. Jack Michael. Jack Michael, sorry. Made a reference that their admin center is really going for it now, right? And I did see that and he was right in saying that,

but not to the point where you get beat up the ice. Don't know is, you know, miles behind, why is he the next Jersey up the back? Because they're going for it. And I think Bushari got a little flat footed and maybe he thought maybe I going to wait for my one opportunity to get a puck to the net, but there's just no world that you can let Phillip Deneau

beat you up the ice. And it was a crappy floater, fan, flub, crappy way to lose. Look at 37 go to the net. Who's that? Warren Fogel? And dry saddle was probably the closest to know I don't know if you could hit one words to that Yeah, but it's the middle of the net after like maybe you want to go after everything you've done You gotta take it to overtime or she need to regroup right? I'll a say go do not get beat up the ice like that.

It's a crappy way to lose. You're right. The goal-tending thing is big. Like that one you can say, can't see it. It's a weird knuckler through traffic. It hits the middle of the net and it's going 30 miles per hour. Skinner is getting, Skin Skinner is I mean that's Classic fandom, but goalies are always in the cross-air come playoff time if they have a sheet

I think there's some bad ones clear in that game. You can't let in six I saw some stats that you know the high danger chances were way Like they were just giving up way too much It's gonna seal on but six can't enter the net in the first game of the playoffs right you need a couple states You think there's a lot of pressure to put a Vander Canaan? Well, I mean he probably would have played game one unless the league is sniffing around for you just talk to yeah I know we yeah Elliott reported that last night that there There might have been a little gun gun shy of putting him in because the league might be but I'm like Okay for okay. He's a five million dollar player. We've watched Kucherov at nine. We've watched stone at 11

We've we've watched now Matthew Kachuk at ten million dollars and Edmonton scared to put a Vander Canaan. Well, I think it depends. Do you have? Documentation that shows that this guy couldn't play 82 but he can play one? Multiple surgeries and injuries. This guy's got a file this thick on his injuries. Right.

But can you show that he couldn't play game 82 or 81? Can Florida? Can all of them do it? I don't know. But they must feel like they can't I'm in the same We're in the same boat. So let everybody come to the table with proof Why we why why why are they not scared and we're scared free just saying that like they're being asked to show Why don't play them and then answer their questions 100%?

Everybody else is doing it a chuck right Matthew. Good Chuck is about to show up He's a ten million dollar guy. So it's for Florida though. Oh, yeah, it doesn't exist there They have different rules Yeah Different rules and they get to have a full week and a half before the game to make sure he's in perfect shape ready to Go listen play them if you if you wanted to play them and that's not the reason that you played them Yeah, that's a bad mistake He's precious golden Knights have been cheating for four straight years and then no one said a thing unless there's other reasons why you don't want to play a van

I use this stupid time time hop app which tells you what happened on your phone a year ago two years ago Nice one year ago is I've got a Screenshot of a Kelly McCrimmon quote being like, you know talking about who who would it came back for them stone, right? Yes for playoffs and saying how chief medical director talks to the surgeon, our medical team, they have access to all these documents, the system's legitimate, people are fully involved, it's all in the up and up. And it's like, we all kinda know that that's not true.

Like we all kinda know that the doctors can say, it's up to you at some point, right? That's playing with pain, coming back from injury. At some point it's like, yeah pain coming back from injury at some point. It's like Yeah, if you say you're not ready. I'm not gonna say you're ready So if he's ready put him in What are you gonna do so anyway? I think you'll see Kane next game I did I did see some clips of Kachak for morning skate that people were sort of

Hypothesizing that he didn't look necessarily right. I mean, I'm not sure that, you know, an NHLer's... Well, I'm not sure an NHLer's gonna go like full tilt for his first two strides of morning skate. Like, I don't think that's necessarily gonna determine how he feels, so... And what do they see on the video? He's just getting slow. He got down on his knees and he did the marble stretch where he looked like you're playing marbles.

The reason I say that is because I Tweeted out a snarky thing about him playing tonight or whatever and a million mentions. Oh, look how he's skating like It's the first three strides of morning skate. Like he's probably gonna he plays tonight. You think Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I do believe he plays tonight and they're not worried about dressing him and answering any questions. Yeah. All right all right, they weren't Edmonton wasn't the only team that crawled back and couldn't find a way to win the Montreal Canadians. Similar situation, not as big of a score to crawl back from, but they were right there in the thick of things going in overtime.

And then if there's one knock against a very talented player in Lane Hudson, it is his attention to defensive details and may cost him game one. You know, that is the thing with this Canadian's run is that the purpose it serves and I heard Marty St. Louis talk about this is get these guys into these games and into these moments so they can feel the pressure and see, you know, how every little detail truly matters because this is why coaches are so obsessive over.

I'm not as interested in showing me what you can do. Show me you can not make mistakes in big moments. And you know, Hudson is certainly gonna get there but on that face-off he goes above the face-off pile chasing Ovechkin around rather than beneath it. Was he chasing him around or was he looking for a loose puck to break? Oh I think well yeah you're right it's a loose puck. No he's chasing it. He's chasing it thinking he's gonna get a jump off out of the out of his own zone and Look little difference When you can almost beaver tap a puck Ovi wanted is so badly he knew he had the time and space he batted it out

of the air That's a tough one to lose Seconds off a face-off first ever overtime winner in playoffs for Ovechkin. That's a tough one to lose seconds off a faceoff. First ever overtime winner in playoffs for Ovechkin. That's crazy. I know that is crazy. But I mean, they got sort of a marginal icing call and they got stuck with Demidov, Lyne,

Hudson, like not their defensive players of choice. I think New Hook caught a little flat-footed off the face-off as well. Yeah, they look like they're trying to make a play on the puck there. Yeah, but hey, it is, you're right. It's a learning experience there. But for Montreal, good on them for getting back in the game. They hang with the one seed in Washington. Game one win would have set them up so nice to go home at the worst split. I do feel like the bad part for the Canadians here

is you didn't win and you got their attention. Right, like the Cavs are like, okay. Exactly what I was gonna ask. This is bad, right? I think it's bad. It's bad that they were like. If the Cavs just go and they win to nothing They might go in a game to being like, alright, we're just the better team, but I think

Montreal got their attention Nick Suzuki, what a dog score more big goals, buddy. Like it's impossible. I mean Logan Thompson didn't really cover Like I think Suzuki looked up and he was like there's no one in the net. I'm gonna shoot it in there. Yeah, it was great patience though that he didn't just rip it into the traffic there took a step to the inside. How do you think he look coming back from injury Thompson? Okay, I've seen him better. Yeah, right. My child does look at times small to me. Yeah, they are. Yeah, especially compared to that Caps team.'s just full like I mean you have Pirlo DuBois and Tom Wilson

I know cycling the puck against those guys. It's tough for them It's more that your most important people are small Coffield Suzuki Hudson Coffee, oh, we gave him a good run to yeah in the corner But I do think as they get older, you know, Slav's a big dude. They got Jack Eye and Strobel and they got some guys that are good size. Lou. Lou Lamarrillo will not have his contract renewed as president and general manager of the New York Islanders. No real surprise here, no. I guess the only surprise is like, you know, kind of Teflon Don thing with him.

Like it just feels like he always. The one thing that I did kind of hear was that a lot of people discourage the New York Islanders to do it in season and to wait till after the season because it's Lou. Yeah to let Lou. And it's a it's a respect thing for one of the greatest executives in the history of our sport. Yeah, I say, you know, if that's the case, you can see it. Towards the end, you know, last few years, there's there's moves I disagree with. I didn't like their deadline, yada, yada.

But his career is incredibly impressive. And I think his defining legacy is just being a pro and demanding professionalism of those around him, a culture that he creates where this is serious and everyone, you know, the old Bill Belichick, do your job. He's the hockey's foremost, do your job guy. And I had the luxury of working for him in the Toronto Marley system where he has all his AHL teams treated like NHL teams in terms of per diem and own rooms on the road. And I got nothing but good things to say about the man.

He's just a gentleman. Always treated me so well over the years. How long of a beard is Kyle Paul-Mary gonna grow? Oh, Kyle Paul-Mary just, he just grunted and grew on, just pushed it out. He's gonna be... Is this deal done? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I think it is done.

So, wasn't he, wasn't it questionable whether or not Lucia traded him or not? It was not questionable. He should have traded him. But I believe that's because they had term. Let me just quickly pull this up. Paul Mary, no, that, yeah, he's a UF now. Yeah, that was. That kills me.

So that one bothers me. P.A. Piranto, sorry, J.G. Peugeot. I mean, but to be fair to Lou, he has a parting gift, an absolute home run of a trade for Brock Nelson getting that Richie out of Oshawa who's starring for the Generals right now. He's on fire. He's a first round pick.

Unbelievable. Like that is a really good trade for an expiring UFA after he tried to sign him. But you gotta give him credit for that one. From our old friend, Steve Dangle, I saw this on Twitter. If Lou Lemurello is indeed retiring a little perspective Lou's first season as head coach of the Providence College head coach of Providence College began several months before Joe Sackett who was 55 and Brendan Shanahan who was 56 were born yeah he's been in it's almost six decades of hockey. That's crazy. I wonder though, like, when you've been around the game on a day

to day basis like that, that long, what retirement could feel like for him. I can't, I know what you're saying and I can't see him not being a special advisor to pick your team. Someone will pay him to come in once a month and say, hey, what do you think? Can I give you my opinion? I would love to have your opinion. Lou wants nothing to do with that. No, hold on.

You think he wants another job? Lou is Lou. Lou is, I'm in charge, Lou? Or I ain't playing the old Kiss Babies and Handshakes, Lou. I got bad news for guys like Lou. Eventually, it doesn't go your way. Eventually, the most powerful men lose their Chicago Blackhawks, Lou Lemerellas authority.

We don't have to be 83 for that to happen to us since it's happened to us already. Buddy, absolutely, it's a credit to him that this conversation's at 82. Yes. Let's be clear, he rules. It's just, but. Sports sets already treating us that way now

30 years younger than Lou do not have the power you once had and no one wants to give it last quick note for a Vancouver audience our friend in Vancouver Rick Dollywell tweeted out that he's been told that the NHL is not looking at any tampering charges against the Canucks. Right. Speaking of well respected men. Yeah, it's good. Jimmy Rutherford. Good point. Okay. Enough said. Enough said. We want to talk about somebody else doing that. You got a different conversation. Jimmy Rutherford. No problem, buddy. Love it. Jimmy Rutherford, no problem, buddy. Love it.

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