Real Kyper & Bourne - Jets Flying High + Bettman Speaks in Stockholm

Episode Date: November 16, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with the Canucks' OT win over the Islanders last night, their top three scorers leading the NHL and Bo Horvat's reception in his return to Vancouver. They are joined by Sean Reynolds (5:16), who weighs in on the Jets' hot stretch to start the season, the top line's dominance highlighted by the Scheifele/Connor duo and reflects on the early results of the Pierre-Luc Dubois trade. Later, on the Oilers' comeback victory over the Kraken last night and how big of an impact Knoblauch has had on their win streak. Finally, a look at Gary Bettman's presser today, his comments on Michael Andlauer, the Shane Pinto situation and the new draft format.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

let's welcome everybody in on the national hour of the real kipper and born show welcome jb says welcome yes he's sammy mckee we've got upstairs derrick brandeo jen rolnick this hour of real kipper and bornne brought to you by Bet365. A lot of top stories around the National Hockey League in this country. We've got Edmonton and Vancouver. We've got Winnipeg getting hot as well. We've got some good storylines going. We've got the Ottawa Senators.

In overtime. In Detroit. Currently. In overtime. In overtime, which draws a three-point game, which only clouds everything in the Eastern Conference. Sean Reynolds will join us in a few minutes to talk about those Winnipeg Jets and Kyle Connor. Time to give him some love. Lighting it up.

Three points the other night versus the Devils. A little later on in the show we've got some gary betman clips as he addressed the media in stockholm i had a tough time getting through him today boys that'll he's so condescending oh man god yes i say that like i don't know so if i get him if we get him on the show here, you're just going to tell him? I'll plug my ears. You'll step outside. We'll do the questioning.

Okay, tons. But we saw two games last night where both Edmonton and Vancouver found a way to hang in there and get their two points. Now the league leader in points is not one but three vancouver canucks petterson miller and hughes all have 26 points and they're leading the league together how insane is that the western conference leading vancouver canucks i mean what were the odds now to go back a month in our in our leaf edition uh an hour ago we were talking willie kneelander uh potentially being one of those guys that could sneak in there as a here comes top 10

kill bill no no no buzzkill no buzzkill but our boy sammy i believe suggested that he'd have no problem trading willie kneel for JT Miller. When? Did you not mention? I like JT Miller, but I wouldn't do it. You wouldn't do it? I would have done it. No, I don't think there's ever been a time I would have done that. But I would consider it now, for sure. I'm watching JT Miller, and again last night,

scores, passes. You like his attitude more than that. Well, listen, I saw him a good portion of his career as this guy that found a way to kind of make it look like he was a me, me, me, I, I, I guy. And I don't see that. And is it just maturity? Is it Rick Talkett?

But this guy has turned into a real leader for the vancouver canucks i you know there's times i still see him melt down a little bit yeah but that's what it's if he can pick and choose when he does it it just adds i guess to his game i've written before about how when you start positively people get the good vibes going and you're not squeezing the stick you're just kind of you keep your mind a little bit more open and the Canucks have had a lot of talent that seems to have been burdened by the organization over the past few years they almost seem freed up this year and man they are they are tough to stop the league's leading offense which is impressive yeah it's makes that leafs went all more the more impressive on so you wouldn't trade JT Miller for Willie, but they're younger.

He's older than Willie. Right now? What's his contract? He's got that long contract, right? Didn't he sign the – Oh, he's only at eight, eight and a half. Yeah, for 100 years. Remember last year how big of a hot-button conversation that was?

Remember it was like – Oh, they were all laughed at for signing that deal. They were so mad. Well, yeah, because they signed it and he was immediately not. And the team was looking like they were going the other direction. What are you committing to Miller for? Wasn't there times where they were talking about, oh, maybe they could trade it?

Oh, yeah. Remember that? We had those conversations. Oh, they waffled. I'm sure they waffled. He's eight even until 2930. He makes $8 million for the next lot of years. Yeah, no, he's worth that that's for sure lead the

league in points yeah it's pretty decent good value last night we saw the game winning goal from the current captain beat a goal from their former captain in beau horvat what were your thoughts about uh going into the game for beau and what you actually saw. I just need to comment on Matthew Barzal's defense on Quinn Hughes in overtime. And bleh, that was vile. That was a nice finish, though. It was a nice finish, but he like, okay, everyone's got a guy. My guy's coming up the ice.

One pass, and he's like, look, a hockey puck. I thought it was handled really well by the Vancouver fans. It was, and Horvat. Horvat said he was frustrated with the organization on the way out. Loved his time there. He had a tear before warm-up. He scores a goal. He went full Knobloch.

He went full Chris Knobloch. Yeah, we got two cry fests this week. Love it. All right, as promised, Sean Reynolds, Sportsnet reporter in Winnipeg, joining us on the Real Kipper and Bourne show. Sean, how are you? Is this one of those weeks where Winnipeg Jet players are going, hey, listen, yeah, I get the storylines in Edmonton and Vancouver,

but don't forget about us. Yeah, yeah. Where's the love for Winnipeg? It's always what people in Winnipeg are asking at all times. You know what? You could never get enough attention. People have been saying for years that Kyle Conner is an underrated guy. I've always argued in the past his career numbers are almost exactly the same as Jake Gensel.

So they're very similar players in what they produce. And, you know, Jake Gensel isn't that guy that we're constantly hearing about all the time. So, listen, I'm always kind of trying to calm Winnipeg sports fans down and let them know that the eyes turn to the places where the hot players are. And for that reason, I think people should be turning and looking towards Winnipeg because what's going on right now with this team,

not only what they're doing in the standings, the wins that they win are impressive the losses um are are not ugly losses uh they seem to be getting better and learning a lot of lessons in those losses this is the team i guess i'd put it like this the one kind of achilles heel for the winnipeg jets so far is when they've played upper echelon teams the likes of dallas stars the other night they've lost twice already to the ve, the likes of Dallas Stars the other night. They've lost twice already to the Vegas Golden Knights, kind of got their butts whipped by the LA Kings.

They don't seem to be in that stratosphere of upper echelon NHL teams yet, but I think right now if there was a light heavyweight division in the NHL, the Winnipeg Jets would be giving that division a pretty good run right now. Yeah, I mean, lots of good things. Obviously, you know, Connor's numbers are one thing. given that division a pretty good run right now. Yeah. I mean, lots of good things, obviously, you know, Connor's numbers are one thing. Cole Perfetti is a guy who seems to be having a good year.

You know, tell us about what's gone right. And then, you know, if you want to seg maybe into, I know Connor Hellebuck hasn't had the best year. Just give us the high and low end of the jets so far this season. Well, the high end for me is the duo of Kyle Connor and Mark Scheifele.

I don't think Kyle Connor is doing what he's doing if Mark Scheifele isn't playing the way he's playing now. These guys have added a layer of defensive responsibility to their game that we probably haven't seen in the past with them, and yet they've got better offensively. And that was Rick Bonas really preaching to his team that the way he wanted them to get offense was off good defense. And they're doing that right now.

And I'll say this. These two have a chemistry going right now. Blake Wheeler from around 2015 to 2020 was kind of under the radar, one of the best passers, if not the best passer in the game. Mark Scheifele has reached that level of what he is right now. If Kyle Conner is open for a fraction of a second mark scheifele's finding him and it's in his wheelhouse and then often it's in the back of the net so that duo is going like gangbusters right now colper fetty you mentioned him secondary scoring that we're getting uh from this team is starting to pick up they had a little bit of a slow start the true power of this team is

their third line adam lowry's line will punch you in the mouth take your lunch money and then what they haven't done in years past is go down the other end of the ice and score goals wasn't that long ago those three members of that line were first or one off uh one point off of being the leaders in scoring on that team so they're putting the puck in the net. And transitioning to Connor Hellebuck, as you asked me to do, that's the very interesting part about this Winnipeg Jets team. I think we all expect at some point Connor Hellebuck is going to wake up and return to what we expect from him.

What the Jets are doing right now and looking very impressive on a lot of nights, a really impressive win over the New Jersey Devils the other night, they're doing it without Connor Hellebuck being anywhere near capable of what Connor Hellebuck is capable of. So right now, the Winnipeg Jets, they're a very good team. They've got potential to get a lot better, and that could be scary for a lot of the other teams in the league. We're talking to Sean Reynolds, Sportsnet reporter.

I'm Nick Kiprios, two guys that can relate to being punched in the mouth and having their lunch money stolen. Sammy McKee and Justin Bourne. When I look at the defense, Sean. Not wrong. When I look at the defense, I see talent in Neil Pionk, Morrissey, DeMello. I just don't see big.

This is still, I still see big buff somewhere in that uniform. And is there thought about finding ways to make this blue line bigger? Dylan's there, but, you know, Logan Stanley's at 6'7", and he can't find a regular situation there. Is there any talk that this blue line still is not big enough to compete in the West? I think there should be talk about that. I think the vast majority of people will tell you that this team

is probably a second-line center and a top-four, big, rugged defenseman who can also move the puck away from being a true contender in the West. And I would be in that group of people who think that. This is the tricky part about this, right? Brennan Dillon's a big, strong guy, and he can make you pay, right? Dylan Sandberg is coming along and quietly having a really, really great year for the Winnipeg. Just no one's talking about him, and there's a reason. He's not making mistakes.

He's not flashy, but he's not standing out in a bad way. But, you know, Nate Schmidt is looking like he's struggled off and on this year. Neil Pionk, he's, again, off and on. This was a guy at one point who was looking like he was breaking out as a offensive defenseman. Josh Morrissey has come along and stolen that mantle and ran with it on this team. But I hear exactly what you're saying. They're not the biggest defense. I think last year that was exposed really, really badly in the playoffs against the Vegas golden Knights.

And so I subscribed to your theory that I think a lot of people expected there to be changeover on the Jets' blue line, never mind the fact a lot of people thought maybe Connor Hellebuck would be gone and Mark Scheifele, and that people expected a lot of change. Kevin Sheveldayoff is a patient, patient guy. And at times like this, it looks like it really pays off. But at other times, that patience looks like inactivity and has cost them in the past if this team has true designs on contending for a stanley cup they probably have to get bigger on the back end but it's not just a matter of getting bigger you've got to find you know that size with skill and we all know those guys grow on trees hey it's easy

to solve that problem right well if it was easy to solve that problem it would have been solved a long time ago and that's the big problem the winnipeg jets find themselves dealing with sean i'm going to read you a text from a friend of mine because he'll uh know you'll be able to answer it better than than me is pl dubois wildly overrated slash overpaid he's uh four four goals and four assists in la right now you know you saw him a little bit what are your thoughts and what's going on there with dubois so so what i i saw from him so when he signed that deal i thought okay well that's the kind of deal that i think the winnipeg jets were thinking yeah we i don't think they would have signed that deal yeah um pierre-luc dubois from what we covered him has the ability to entirely take over games um does so at certain amounts of time.

He was always among the league leaders in both penalties taken and penalties drawn. And at some point last season, I was heading towards, like, the halfway point of the season, he was a point-per-game player, right? If you get that guy who leads the league in taking and drawing penalties and he's a point-per-game guy. That is a massively valuable player. The problem with Pierre-Luc Dubois, from what I saw of his time in Winnipeg, and I would think explained a lot of his time in Columbus,

is he can be wildly inconsistent and fall asleep for long stretches of time. So I'm not willing to say that the experiment in L.A. has failed and it's over, because this could just be one of those times that he goes to sleep. And if he wakes up and is the Pierre-Luc Dubois who's that beast who just kind of takes over games and he does it in the playoffs for the L.A. Kings, maybe it'll be worth it for them. But the one thing I've always thought about Pierre-Luc Dubois, he's shown flashes of being one of those guys who could be one of the upper echelon game-changer type players in the NHL when he's on his game. He is. He just isn't that often enough to deserve that title of being among the league's best.

So for me, that contract was a little steep because that contract for sure was paying him for what they believe he can become and not what he is. What he is up until this point is not reflective of that contract. He's got to get better to earn it in my mind. It's amazing what winning does and not feeling like you're missing anybody. Pierre-Luc Dubois in Winnipeg. We were just speaking moments ago about Beau Horvat going back into Vancouver and how polite the fans were.

And yeah, it's easy to be polite when you're a win away from leading the Western Conference the next day. Yeah. Right? Don't miss them so much. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of people missing Pierre-Luc Dubois. And here's the interesting part, is the return for that, Gabe Velarde, he popped in, had a couple of good games to start off the season and then was injured and is expected to be out for about six weeks. Although he's skating again, maybe they'll accelerate that timetable. But I mean,

Alex Ayafallo steps onto that top line and is helping that top line of the Jets along with Kyle Connor and Mark Shifley to be one of the hottest lines in the NHL right now. Defensively responsible guy, but is constantly creating the chaos in front of the net that gets the eyes of the defenders turned towards him and turned away from Kyle Conner and Mark Scheifele, which allows Kyle Conner to hide. He's one of the best guys in the league at disappearing and reappearing in dangerous spots. And Mark Scheifele has always been a load to handle. He's able to fight off one, two guys at a time.

The more guys that are stuck in front of the net dealing with Alex Ayafalo is just so good for that line. They've really found their chemistry. So who knows what Dave Velarde is going to do here. But right now, it would look like a one-for-one trade of Alex Ayafalo for Pierre-Luc Dubois would be a massive win for the Winnipeg Jets, and that doesn't count the fourth-line center

that they picked up in Rasmus Kapari as well. So we're about to see when Gabe Velarde gets back just how much deeper that makes this team and how good they are. But again, I'm not sleeping on Pierre-Luc Dubois, especially with all the, you know, that's a deep, deep team. That's the center ice position out in L.A.

If he gets going and those three centers get going at the same time, that's a hard team to stop. So they're not, I don't think they're too worried about right now. They're worried about down the road. And if he can show up down the road, they'll be in a good spot. So with the division that the least Canadian teams play in, we probably don't talk about the Central as much. Maybe you could handicap what you think from what you've seen so far on dallas and colorado uh st louis arizona those

are probably the teams that are going to be the you know the competitors for the jets i would say in their quest to make the playoffs yeah so let's start with the guys below the jets in the standings the st louis and the arizona's of the world young exciting teams i love that kind of hockey guys i love when a team is kind of turning things around i've been waiting for years for ottawa to do it uh buffalo's another team i've seen them stockpiling talent i've been waiting for them to kind of turn the corner these two teams the st louis blues seem to be turning the corner faster than i thought they would have a. It's nice to see them finally picking themselves up off the mat after years. But when I've seen the jets play these teams,

they're not in the same caliber as the Winnipeg jets. You know, the jets break those teams by the end of games. They just can't hang with them. Their structure is not as rigid and as well executed as the jets are. I don't see them because they're young teams getting to the point where they learn so much about it that they're getting beyond a team like that. So I really do think if Minnesota wakes up, that's a team that I think you have to worry about.

They had a slow start last year and then came storming on at the end of the year and almost won the Central. So I'm not counting that team out yet. Dallas was a measuring stick game the other night for the winnipeg jets and to me they clearly looked like they were a step ahead of the jets like i count them in that heavyweight division that i was referring to earlier on colorado is an interesting one to me because they had you know a big win last night a couple games ago they had a massive loss where they allowed eight goals against Colorado to me uh I've never seen a team as dominant as I saw them on the way to the Stanley

Cup a couple of years ago so you know that's in their DNA their defense is ridiculously stacked uh but they kind of got tired because of the injuries down the stretch last year and it cost them in the playoffs I'm wondering if they're just that team now that kind of hangs around during the season and knows when to turn it on at the end of the year. If they are, I think they're as dangerous as anyone in the West, including the likes of the Vancouver Canucks or the Vegas Golden Knights. But you never know.

I wasn't expecting them to lose to the Seattle Kraken last year, so maybe they've unlocked something in them that is a weakness that they haven't solved. Allowing eight goals in a game kind of suggests those problems. That still exists there, but I still see them finishing ahead of the Jets in the Central Division. One more for me, Sean. I know we've had you on the show in the past,

and we have talked about the economic challenges in Winnipeg and it's it every team feels it for sure but in this instance with Winnipeg how much extra pressure do you think that we haven't really seen before is on ownership or management to keep the fan base that they already still have there engaged based on these challenges? Well, like anyone else, it's massive. I don't necessarily see a fan base that is not engaged here. I mean, I've said this in the past, and I know that the jet ownership has a different uh different viewpoint of this and i know that they really feel that they have to have a winner in order for people to show up i don't agree with that and i think that if you're a hockey market that says people

aren't going to show up to this building if we're not winning then you're in trouble because not every team is going to win every single year at some point things are going to dip and so if the winnipeg jets think they they have to have a winner then what's going to happen when they have a loser right i think that what we've seen here is um uh you know and this is anecdotally and i hear i've heard this over and over and over again so by no means is this a study that i've read or done or anything like this but anecdotally over and over and over again i heard that from fans that had had season tickets day one in 2011 up until now they've foregone buying a car for their family because they put that money into the jets and season tickets every single night for all those years i think what happened

was when seats started opening up the way that they were handling things is people were getting into the building for cheaper than the season ticket holders were getting in and soon enough the season ticket holders were looking and saying why am i doing this other guys are getting in for cheaper um and and it's the other thing like in calgary i think it was last year maybe they do this every year but their season ticket holders get a brand new jersey every year right like you've got to make sure that your season ticket holders feel appreciated and feel exalted, right? Because you are the guys who are laying out the money to make sure there's

stability for the organization. I think that there was a little bit of a detachment there between the season ticket holders and the organization. I think that there's some people who are miffed because of it. I think that the organization has to reach back to those people, say, where did we go wrong and what can we do to make it right? And until that happens, I think you're going to continue to see the 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 empty seats in the Canada Life Centre

that we're seeing right now. Last one for me, just a quick thought. Did I see Nick Yeller's fight the other day? What's going on there? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, it's just like fourth or fifth or something like that. Is it really?

I think his first one was against Ryan Getzlaff a number of years ago. I remember that, yeah. And he's always going against a bigger guy. He's not going against heavyweights, right? He's not tapping Nick Kiprios on the shoulder and saying, let's go at this.

He's grabbing guys. He's grabbing guys and he's not tapping Nick Kiprios on the shoulder and saying, let's go at this. He's grabbing guys. He's grabbing guys and he's doing his thing and he never really loses the fight. He's a wiry guy. I think that it's usually a sign that Nick Ehlers is getting going now. I don't think that he's a guy who should be doing it over and over again. He doesn't need to break a hand or anything like that. The funny part about that is mom and sister were in the stands and they said

you're not going to fight tonight are you and he said i think i'm done with the fighting and then sure enough that's exactly when the fights are going to come find you but hey he does it standing up for vladislav numesnikov who is a quiet soldier on this team that the the players absolutely love i know a lot of people want to see fighting rooted out of the game i know people get upset with me when i make comments like that having played you know i never played what nick did nick will be able to tell you about this but having played senior hockey and levels like that when you get a guy who stands up for you when something has done something terrible to you that builds brotherhood that builds kinship and the

winnipeg jets I think it's a sign that they're all on the same page because Adam Lowry's done it a bunch of times this year. Brennan Dillon's done it a bunch of times. These guys have each other's back and they show it time and time again in moments like that, just like Nick Ehlers did. Hey, Sportsnet just signed a massive deal with MMA, didn't they?

Yeah, UFC, baby. Seems to be an appetite everywhere for that sort of stuff. Hey, Sean, great stuff, man. I really appreciate your time. Awesome. Yeah. Love being on with you guys. Thanks for having me on.

Thanks, Sean. Appreciate it. Sean Reynolds. And, yeah, hopefully whatever issues are going on out there, they can start a new consecutive streak of sellouts because it was really great. It was magical when they came back.

Sean makes a great point, though, that it's going to ebb and flow in every city with wins and losses. You can't just bank on having a winner to keep people in the building. It's just not sustainable in a salary cap league. I talked to someone from Winnipeg at the Hockey Hall of Fame on Monday,

and they said it's kind of unlike just one owner to a season ticket. There's a lot of people with packages of season tickets, too, and they share. So if one, you know, leaves or bails, it puts a tremendous amount of stress on three other partners of season tickets. So unfortunately, I think that's what happened too. Well, and I know initially when they were coming back,

I had friends that were like, can you get online and try to get these tickets? It was like first click, first serve type of thing. And so I had friends in Calgary that bought two season tickets they didn't live in winnipeg anymore but they were like just in case it's so hard to get these i know i can get rid of them if that demand is softened there'd be no reason to like you know can keep those tickets so i could i could see things changing um remember when ehlers and thornton got into it when thornton was on the leafs it was like during the was on the Leafs? It was like during the COVID season. He was like almost crying in the box.

He was trying to fight them. That was actually probably my favorite Joe Thornton Leafs memory. That's too bad. Not a ton. He did score. He did score against the half of the playoffs. That's not exactly a Hall of Fame moment there.

No, it was not. Yeah, playing on the top line with Matthews and Marner. Boy. Anyways. Game time? Game time! I started crying. It's game time. Presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary

at Bet365. Must be 19+. Ontario only. Play responsibly. Now, you were mentioning JT Miller and how he's leading the league in points. What do you think his odds are for the MVP? JT Miller MVP has got to be like 40 to 1. 80 to 1. 80 to 1, yeah. 80 to 1.

Any value there? There's value there, yeah. No, he's not. Playing on a good Connects team with good players. Still kind of a centerman trophy. By the way, Timmy Stu scored with two seconds left in OT.

No. He batted it out of midair. Oh, did he? It came way up high and he full baseball swinged it into the net. So what a show for the fans overseas. Get a 5-4 OT finish. But yeah, you know, I'm really pandering to our Vancouver audience talking about JT Miller's MVP odds here.

But to me, I look at that, it's like a guy that's having an awesome year. The narrative-based thing, guy that's coming back. The question is... He's tied with Quinn right now. Yeah. The bigger question is, has Connor completely opened this up for a game 75 to 82 finish for this award? You watched Connor last night? Yeah.

A couple of speed bursts. Better. You know, like it's not, can you get value on Connor McDavid yet? Maybe at that point? Oh no, he's still up there. He's still favorite. Yeah, he's still up there. They's still favorite. Yeah, he's still up there. Yeah.

But they're smarter than him. What about the Rocket? What about the Rocket? No, no, well, hold on for a second. Yeah. I'm going to throw out another name for you for MVP. Sid. Oh, boy.

He ain't done, boys. Well, it's funny you mentioned that, Kipper, because I looked up his odds just as you guys were talking to Sean. What a producer. He is 100 to 1 to win the MVP. No, Sidney Crosby's 100 to 1? Yeah, why wouldn't you take that? Throw a couple of bucks at that.

Oh, I vote I can't. Oh, you can't. I forget every show. But no, that is a very tempting, right? Throw 10 bucks at that? Stay healthy, Sid, and you should be in for your 100 points. If Sid gets, yeah, 90, 95, 100 points and plays Sid Crosby defense. They make the playoffs.

Like, everyone was kind of expecting them to. Like, we know what Sid would do. We're just not sure over the course of 80 games if, you know, Geno's got another 85 points in them and is is carlson i think carlson's on a pace for another 90 yeah he's 85 90 points it's gotten hot like if if those guys hang in there and and produce like that and they get some goaltending why wouldn't you think sid wouldn't be in the mix no you're right on the stretch it's a hundred percent and it's also a narrative based award and everyone knows the name sydney crosby he be in the mix? No, you're right. Down the stretch. It's 100%. And it's also a narrative-based award,

and everyone knows the name Sidney Crosby. He is in the mix. It's like the Bergeron Selke. I was going to say, almost like a lifetime achievement award at this point where it's like he's having another incredible year, down year for, I am going to bet that. Okay, next one here.

Looking at some of the games tonight, trying to find value. I'm starting to think that the lightning might suck uh that's a lot of good players on that team to make that now they've lost three in a row um they're a minus seven or eight goal differential i think they're outside of a playoff spot i I just, I've watched them play. They're not getting goaltending, so maybe once Vasilevsky comes back, it's a different conversation. But I'm looking at them.

They're playing against the Chicago Blackhawks in Chicago tonight. It's a bit of a long shot. This is mental. Chicago to win with a Bedard goal is plus 425. And I love watching the Blackhawks because I love watching Conor bedard he's the next you know great hope for canadian hockey and he's just a stud so now i i have to tell you that i

have great great fear of american hockey yeah and i get really excited when we still put out the best guy yeah and it's like he's the next best guy and it's like i need him to be good for like my mental health so it's like i'm really rooting for conor bedard i really love yeah okay there you go it's like he's the next best guy, and it's like I need him to be good for my mental health. So it's like I'm really rooting for Conor McGregor. I really love him. Yeah, okay. There you go. It's really hard for me to suggest that a team with Kucherov, Point, Hedman, Stamkos. Hagel, Paul, Sergachev, Sorelli.

Suck. I can't do it. You shouldn't do it. I can't. Okay. I'll be the first one to do it. I'll sound like an idiot or I'll sound really smart, but I don't do it. You shouldn't do it. I can't. Okay. I'll be the first one to do it. I'll sound like an idiot or I'll sound really smart, but I don't believe in him.

Just show me an average Vasilevsky when he comes back, and I'll have no problem telling you this team's going nowhere fast. Okay. But not yet. Okay. That's fair. And the other one I had for value, Vancouver's playing in calgary tonight

second half of back-to-back they're plus 130 in calgary tonight oh so they're pretty big underdog you gotta assume that'll be the smith bit of a road trip after or flying to calgary after their game last night or whatever so maybe that's why but pretty good value on the literal i like the best team in the western conference at plus 130 you're probably not going to get that a bunch plus money and good teams you like those bets yep so that was game time presented by bet365 on the literal the best team in the Western Conference at plus 130. You're probably not going to get that a bunch. Plus money and good teams. You like those bets. Yep.

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Adam Ernie, find the maximum for an elbow. I want to get your thoughts on it. Gordy. Justin. And we'll pick a little bit of Gary Bettman's address to the media and Stockholm talked Ottawa senators world cup. I think a hockey Canada investigation, NHL draft.

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Ottawa Senators. Tim Stutzla. There it is. What have I been saying all these years? Ah, Stutzle. I never... What did you say? I have no idea.

I thought it was... Both sounded great. So what did he... Jimmy Stu. He swiped it out of the air yeah he hit a basically a single through the infield yep for the game winner yep jay fans are going where was that yeah where's that down the stretch for us runners on we could have used a couple of those this year yeah all right uh did you have uh the oilers down and out last night i watched another a lot of the game and i will say there's a point in the second period where i thought they look bad they look they yeah they look the same as yes throughout the year yes i kept waiting for okay knoblox there they've won a couple here come the oilers and it was

just like not there, and then I went to bed, and it turns out it happened. Our Louis DeBrusque on the call emphasized Darnell Nurse doing pretty much a superman to save an empty net goal that would have sealed the deal for Seattle and how that ignited the comeback led by Evander Kane. Who scored and then he scored and then he scored. Natural hat trick to lead the Oilers.

Love that. To their fifth win of the season. Here come the Oilers. I was trying to be like Jack Michaels down the stretch here. That knob block's doing a great job. Oh, is it? Oh, what a great job. What a bunch of changes he made there.

Undefeated. If they go on to win every game from here on in and set an NHL record, would Jay Woodcroft be part of that record? I don't know how that would work. But I do feel bad because I don't want to make fun of Chris Nommel. It's not his fault that the team was already pretty good. He won the first game of this streak so far. Are they sharing whatever is going on right now?

Kojak Adams winners? Probably not. I'll tell you right now. This is the exact same winning streak if old Jay is behind the bench. Knobloch could be a great coach. He could be one of the best coaches in the NHL. But there is no difference if Jay is still standing. I feel bad for him.

Like, you know, how do you separate yourself? The team has been to the conference final and won playoff runs very recently. How do you separate yourself and say, look at what I've done with this group? I guess just do it again from where they were? I don't know. Go a step further. Win Lord Stanley's mug.

Did we not see a hit to the head out of Adam Ernie last night? You gave him the old chicken wing. It was actually pretty bad. To be honest, I'd be totally fine with that having been a suspendable play. I think it really just has to come down to if a guy's hurt or not, if he gets up.

I don't know. It's just an elbow penalty unless he doesn't get up. Well, I mean, that was at least a major then. He clipped him pretty good. Didn't like the play yeah i i've seen go watch a game i've seen stuff be called worse than get suspended like it just didn't look good he skated right by him looked at him and bang elbow elbowed him right in the head my headphones went out why do you have that style headphone all right let's go to uh gary batman anything in particular that

we're gonna hear sammy because i didn't go through your clips i'm sorry i uh i would like to hear this stuff on old and lauer talking about how he feels wronged by what happened i would say that the most compelling stuff is definitely on the senators there's two clips from gary the first two on your list there from on ann lauer one and two we could start with the first one if you want and then we can go from there all right our first kippers clipper on the national show commissioner gary bettman on michael and lauer i'm not going to get into a public debate with michael and lauer i don't think that's constructive uh for him me or the league i'm more than comfortable with what we did and maybe on reflection michael will be

if he's not already more comfortable with the way things were handled. Oh, I would hate that if I were Rand Lauer. Don't you suggest that now I've changed my mind while I'm not there to... I don't want to get in a public spat with Michael A. Lauer, but let's get in a public spat. I bet he regrets what he said.

I bet he feels differently now that he's had time to cool down his little emotions and think, oh, that would make me mad. You want to go to the second one before we address this? Let's play the second clip there, Derek. Well, I consider the matter closed, but I'm always open for dialogue with owners on any subject they want at any point in time. It doesn't mean that we're inviting it, and it doesn't mean that there would be a change. But, you know, Michael's always free to talk to me as he is, and he's always free to express himself as he did,

even if I happen not to agree. Stay on the aisle, second row. Okay, Gary, last year I asked you with this little Stanley Cup why you didn't bring the real one. You brought the one, so credits to you. We want to start our show again Derek um I had heard that Gary wanted Commissioner Gary Bettman wanted to whack Shane Pinto a lot more than he did oh really yes really he needed to be talked down to 41 games.

Well, yeah, I mean that. There was enough for him to really, I think he already did, but really, really set an example from Shane Pinto. But to me, what he's talking about there is the first for the Donoff thing, right? He's talking about that punishment and and that's what Ann Lauer. Yeah, yeah. Is this all? Okay, I thought it was on Pinto.

No, it was on Ann Lauer and him talking about the first round pick. Because to me, this is closed or whatever, but I would invite him to talk to me or whatever. And he spoke publicly, and I disagree. I feel like the door's open to change their mind on that one. I still feel like it is. Well, Lou Lamorello with Kovacek. And that was brought up in the quote.

Ian Mendez asked both the questions about Ottawa, and he followed up asking about that exact thing, and that's where that answer came from. We have a clip on Shane Pinto. We have two, actually. Okay. But if you want to play the number six for us, Derek, Gary Bettman clip six on Shane Pinto.

What's clear is there was no betting on NHL hockey. But there are lots of ways that you can involve yourself in sports betting that are inappropriate. And most of them are common sense. Okay. Without telling you what Shane did or didn't do. If you're in a jurisdiction where you're not supposed to be betting, you shouldn't be betting. If you're betting on a platform that says you shouldn't be sharing an account, you shouldn't be sharing an account. If you are in a jurisdiction

where people shouldn't be placing bets for you, you shouldn't be doing that. I mean, there's a litany of things that as a matter of common sense, people would know. And the players get briefed on this annually by security. We do briefings on it at the rookie orientation program. There's no surprise here. Okay, Gary, you lost our audience when he said common sense. There is no common sense. A common sense would be to not have a gambling sponsor as your helmet sponsor. But he also just said that a third party placed a bet on Shane Pinto's account.

He mentioned jurisdiction, which implies he was at the rink. Also, if he was at the rink at that point, maybe Pinto's saying someone placed a bet on my account while I was at the rink. It wasn't me placing it. They kind of just told us what happened. Someone placed a bet on my account while I was at the rink. It wasn't me placing it. Like, I mean. They kind of just told us what happened. This is just, at the end of the day, a very slippery slope. It always has been.

It always will be. What's slippery about it, though? What's slippery about it? Don't bet. You got buddies. Every day you talk to your buddies. Hey, Kemp, would you let me use your account to gamble? No. Not a chance. Listen, let me use your account to gamble? No.

Not a chance. Listen, you know where the slippery slope is? Players, trainers, coaches. What's stopping anybody from making a phone call and saying, who's playing tonight? Who's hurt? Who's feeling good? Who just had a baby and didn't sleep the night before? Slippery slope. For trainers? Yeah, I mean. feeling good who just had a baby and didn't sleep the night before slippery slope for trainers for

yeah i mean sharing information but it's not for nhl players this is not confusing to me you can't to me pinto may have plausible deniability based on this third party thing but you can't let people bet on your account no you can't but you can on your account. No, you can't, but you can also, you know, share information so you can bet on your own account. And what's the difference? You share information so they can bet on their account or whatever. Yeah. It's just a slippery slope.

My whole point is that there will always be such a gray area. Well, guys are going to do it and guys are going to get caught for sure this is going to happen it's happened in the nfl multiple times this year i mean this is yes it is but i don't know i get you know how new any of that is you turn on netflix right now and you can go ahead and watch a few documentaries about players betting on sports i mean yeah yeah but it just seems like if if you've invited more mainstream yeah then the the lines moved on where you feel you're at yeah and you're right you're right there michael and lauer you know he threw out young lots of cash uh celebrities out there pushing this on a you know i didn't like his pinto arguments to me i don't like that argument no you can't do it no correct and there's another one more on pinto where kevin mcgrann of the

toronto star who's over there covering the lease obviously asked him an excellent question about the pinto suspension. And it's an exchange with him. It's about a minute long clip if you want to have it. It's clip number eight, Derek. I'd love to hear it. I'm curious about Shane Pinto's suspension. Why is it a 41-game suspension and he doesn't even have a contract?

When Patrick Marleau's Ironman streak was going, he missed a few games because he didn't have a contract and his Ironman streak continued after he signed his contract. So even though he missed a few games because he didn't have a contract and his Ironman streak continued after he signed his contract. So even though he missed a few games, why is a 41 game suspension when the player doesn't have a contract yet? Because my guess is he doesn't have a

contract because of the suspension. Well, but people knew that he was being investigated. He's not earning a salary for 41 games. You know, circumstances sometimes require that you take a step back and analyze what's going on instead of just using some rote formula. Once it was clear he was being investigated, I presume that his team didn't think it was a good idea to sign him while the investigation was going on.

So, in fact, it was sort of a de facto suspension. That's a really great question. Patrick Marleau catching a stray in Spain. Yeah, I know. But it's like, you know, if the games don't count when you're not under contract, really great question patrick marlowe catching a stray in yeah i know but it's like you know if the games don't count when you're not under contract then what then what are you suspending him for he's got to serve 41 once he signs his contract and it's an awesome way to word it

the loophole there is basically ottawa was gonna have to give him 2.1 million or whatever and they're saying if you're gonna suspend this guy then we're gonna wait and sign him for 750 or whatever almost reminded me of uh uh early in my career when alan eagleson was still running the nhlpa and everybody would be kind of scared to ask him a question but they they did anyways there's a really tough guy named Wally Weir, I think, for Quebec Nordiques. And he asked a question. And Alan Eagleson just turned around and said, Wally, sit down. You're lucky to be in the league. Oh, my God.

Really? That was it. That was it. No answer. No answer. Meanwhile, Eagleson's eating lunch on my family's money at the time. It might have been sit down and shut up. You're lucky to be in the league.

Jeez. So at least Kevin didn't get that out of Gary Bettman. Bettman's basically like, without using these words, we do what we want. Yeah. Because I said so. That's right. Do you want the Bill Daly clip on the draft format? I know you care so much about that.

Yeah, I actually wrote about it today. Oh, that's stupid. I will say Bill Daly, not the most electrifying speaker, so pay yourself for this clip. On the NHL draft that a lot of people are going to be very disappointed in. We actually did a poll, an informal poll of our clubs with respect to what they wanted the draft to look like and whether they wanted to continue in the traditional format or a new format.

And we, surprisingly to some of us, we got an overwhelming response that we should try to pursue a new draft format. So that's what we're going to do. The issue, the only open issue is whether we do that as early as 2024 or whether we push it to 2025. I think our objective is to have a 2024 draft that looks a lot like our traditional draft and then transition in 2025. Bueller. Tough listen. Bueller.

Well, if you get past that, you're not excited to hear him. It's true. I think in a perfect world, the last traditional one would be in Vegas at the Sphere. Oh, babe. Let's go. We got to go. Hey, Sports, are you listening?

Can you send us down there for the draft? And then you'll see it localized somewhere where you'll get, I don't know, 15, 20 of the top picks in the world in one location, and then the rest will be done over Zoom. The teams will stay in their respective towns and work it through the internet. You know what the team should do is they should sink some money

into their Zoom backgrounds, make them look as good as Colby's. Oh, my God. Get the boardroom spiced up because we don't need to see some bleak boardroom. The best one ever was during COVID. In Iserman's house? No, Belichick. Belichick?

Where it's like this video where Belichick wasn't even in his kitchen anymore. It was just his dog sitting at the end. So, you know, the one thing that I heard is, like, this solves a lot of problems for GMs. One of them is the owners are tired of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars. And what happens with these towns, and this happens even here, I'm here and like good luck trying to get a hotel ticket with Taylor Swift concerts.

They go from $400 a night to $1,200 a night. When is that happening soon? I don't know. November 24. Oh. It's a year from now. Oh, I thought it was this year. It's November now.

They get to clear out all the costs. The second thing is that they have more time now to prepare between the end of the Stanley Cup final, the draft, and free agency. That's a big deal for them. They can't do it traveling back and forth. And another reason why the general managers want to get rid of it, privacy. They're tired of watching Elliot hide behind a plant.

Is anyone really cheating on looking at someone else's paper, though? Ooh, we were going to take him. No, but you know what pisses them off? If they are talking to another team, they don't want to do it in front of 9,000 people and on national television, and it does tip their hand.

Honestly, that is fair. I think it's a little bit ridiculous. You know what else, guys? It's an entertainment league. Heaven forbid the people are entertained in the process of your so serious business. Yeah, you want to be entertained, do you want to manage an encyclopedia?

Hire a juggler. Okay? Great. Hey, ride a one-wheeled cycle. A unicycle? Yeah, that happens at intermission. That's also a part of what you're selling. I'm trying to win.

Yeah. Well, if I'm the owner, I'm trying to entertain people so they come give me money. But anyway. All right. We've solved nothing in this hour. Hey, we can talk about a hockey game tomorrow, boys. Oh, thank God. Nine games on tap tonight, though.

Yes, sir. And then tomorrow, 2 p.m., puck drop. And tomorrow, we will be going live from 5 to 7, correct? Yes, correct. Good thing I got that in, because I wouldn't have if my producer was... Oh, come on. It's all right. I'm here to help you.

I almost got the laptop closed and still checking the radio. Have a great night, everybody. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Real Kipper and Born.