Real Kyper & Bourne - Kämpf Re-Signs + Draft Day

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne, and Sam McKee open the show with the news today that the Leafs are re-signing of David Kämpf to a 4-year, $2.4 million deal and debate whether this the right choice for the Leafs, how it impacts Ryan O’Reilly negotiations and what role he will play next season. Next, the guys touch on the recent signings of Pierre-Luc Dubois and Timo Meier and how they will affect William Nylander’s contract, and if management should consider a big move or run it all the way back. Later, NHL Analyst Mike Futa joins the show to give his take on Kämpf's contract, Brad Treliving's strengths as GM, the Leafs looking for more grit and physicality, and the idea of approaching John Tavares for a trade. Finally, the guys wrap up with tonight’s draft, what the future has in hold for the Montreal Canadiens, and the rumours tying the Bruins to a Milan Lucic reunion.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

This is Real Kipper and Bourne on Sportsnet 590 The Van. All right, we're closing out our final full week of the season on the Real Kipper and Bourne show in fine fashion. Yeah. Including the NHL draft tonight. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Derek Brandeo, Jen Rolnick, and Sammy McKee for the next hour. When, okay, first of all, I woke up and I'm like, someone mentioned the NHL draft.

And I'm like, it's not tonight. And it's like, oh, it's tonight. You're busy doing stuff. Was it always a midweek? No, it was a Friday and then a Saturday for the second day. You know what I heard? I heard that the NHL couldn't get enough hotel rooms in Nashville in June. It's like bachelorette parties and stuff in Nashville in June.

That's why it's on a Wednesday night. Yeah, they're like, yeah, we can get weekday hotel rooms. It's a hot, hot time for bachelorette parties. I mean, it's legitimate, right? That city is thriving. Wednesday. It's actually better. It's always a Friday night.

It's a Friday night. And then Saturday, of course, that dreaded, like, who cares about the sixth round and the seventh round. Everyone's sitting there and nursing a hangover. And then you can see the body language changing on the tables on that second day where everybody's staring at their watches. I don't know. No, no, they're trying to make the flight, right? The last flight out.

They're angry? How do they not know their pick? They're racing to the airport as soon as the draft's over. But, yeah, strange one. Wednesday night, NHL draft. I like it better, though, because Friday night in June, people got other stuff to do. At least during the weekday, maybe they'll be home watching TV.

Okay, like we said, it's jam-packed, including Mike Feuda, of course, former NHL executive, Sportsnet hockey analyst. He's going to be around in the next 18 minutes, share a couple of his stories over the years, this time of year, and what his thoughts on what could happen tonight but first the news of the day i'm curious to see what you start with here at david camp yeah i thought maybe like what's left well there's stuff there's i know there's stuff but we'll get to what we know all right we'll get into what we think we know right moving forward but david camp

inks a four-year deal 9.6 million dollars right around where i told you months ago he's going to fall into that 2.5 million aav range he does fall in the 2.5 and then for good measure i think he gave him back a hundred thousand dollars for a goodwill gesture he did at 2.4 yeah you're okay you go first your thoughts so i like it you know like i just feel like for where this team is you're trying not to take a step backward and they have a lot of ufas a lot of guys who are going to be leaving david camp played they actually break it down he played the sixth most among least forwards last year on 111 point team he's their top penalty killing forward i know he doesn't have a lot of offense but that's not what everyone does he wins face

offs he plays three set you know third line center minutes even though he he'll do whatever you ask of him healthy uh like a a really physically fit guy prime years i know it's a bit more than people want to spend but if he's a ufa's three million a year i like it a few months ago i think sammy mckee uh would said he'd drive him to the airport no no you didn't like two and a half million bud i was i've never said that about camp kerfoot definitely but not camp you said camp would be okay at 2.5 you said it was too much money for him did you not maybe man we talk about this team every day for two hours okay i said a lot of things i made it to the past okay if you can't remember maybe i misremembered it

that doesn't bother me i could have said it where are you where are you on a four-year deal at 2.4 million i think i think both sides probably have a pretty good argument in terms of it being a little bit too much money, but I think him also being a pretty valuable guy to the Leafs. You think about what he does for them. He takes so many of their key draws. They lean on him big-time defensively to play against the other team's top players a lot of nights.

How many minutes does he average on the penalty kill every you know like people say you could go out and find a guy like that cheaper on the could you show me the name like i i think it's a little bit rich no doubt came from chicago chicago couldn't wait to get rid of him he couldn't hit the side of a barn. He had barely any goals in Chicago. He was a nothing, a nobody. The Leafs saw something in him, and instantly he became a better player in Toronto than he was in Chicago.

The theory is, could you do that again? And say what you will about Kyle Dubas. He had a knack for doing that. For sure he did. So the question is, had a knack for doing that for sure he did so the question is is is that knack gone because now you're paying a premium price for a guy that still doesn't have a reputation to score but if you have them slotted as your third line centerman then okay i get it but your third line centering can't score. Right.

Yeah. So you don't like it. Well, I don't mind him as a player. But what I do mind is that this is just a way of staying with a look you already had that wasn't good enough to win. And it just got more expensive. That's all. Yeah yeah and i'll tell you another thing that it does it puts the stamp on ryan o'reilly not coming back he's done now oh really oh yeah yeah yeah i can see that you know that maybe a little bit of extra money that could have gone his way yeah for sure like you're not you're not signing ryan o'reilly and then having david camp be your fourth line centerman at 2.4 million dollars i've got this you know that that in itself

is a bad message to me that that you went out of the your way to get this proven guy and there wasn't enough time for him at the end of the day and now he's just another guy that you spend a lot of assets on who's gonna walk out the door for nothing yeah you know for me i really like a particular type of player i really like your bottom six to have long players who can get in on the four check turn pucks over can do have some utility outside of just being out there i guess like i camp to me does something that makes the life easier of everyone else on the team he He eats a lot of the garbage for me. He eats a lot of the garbage minutes, good players, tough draws, PK. Good regular season player.

He's been better in the playoffs, I think, than regular season. He got smoked by Goudis, and he was done. He didn't go away. I think that... You want to win a playoff series with camp as your third line centerman i think you can do it i don't i don't think you think you could do it but they haven't done it no they certainly haven't i mean it if that's the argument you're talking about the then they get rid of everyone no one's done it so just get rid of marner they haven't done it you know it's like

you got okay good okay get rid of them get rid of matthew start over okay do it do it you gotta keep some players you know the ones you like you can't get rid of the whole team you can't really get rid of everyone bring them all back that's what they're doing right now they're bringing them all back there's a ton of openings this team is gonna look different in some way i way. I hope it's a drastically different way, but I don't know what yet. I just feel like for, there's a lot of people I see in my mentions being like, you want to have that spot filled up by someone coming up

through your minors, developing, making league minimum. I agree. That'd be great. Who is that? Pontus can do what David Kampf can can do because if you do you're out of your mind yeah i it it looked like pontus was on his way to finding some type of role that went sour yeah the depth out of the marlies has not helped the Toronto Maple Leafs the last two years. It's a problem now.

It's a huge problem. And maybe that's just scratching the surface of why you had to go and give camp. And really, the four years bothers me. I would have liked that on a two-year deal. Yeah. Or even a three-year deal max. Yeah. like that on a two-year deal yeah or even a three-year deal max yeah but four just kind of

breeds yarn croc i will say i don't love having two guys locked up for four years who don't get angry or don't you know they're not passionate playoff players that's all yarn croc was really frustrating so um there elliot was on the show ahead of us there and mentioned that the leafs may be looking to add someone heavier like ryan reeves or someone like to that effect which would be um so unlike the leafs the last few years i was like are they allowed to do that they Are they allowed to have a big, heavy guy like that? I don't know. And I don't know. I'd be nervous about a guy like that who just loves sucking the oxygen out of a dressing room.

You know, he loves his attention. He loves his... He's in the media a lot. Yeah. I'll give you that. And I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing for this team this particular time. It'd be a welcome change from everyone else in Leafs who hates the media. I'd enjoy that.

Okay. Can I ask you which one of these free agent centers that the Leafs could have replaced camp with? Jonathan. Jonathan Taves. Oh, what's he going to call it? I don't know. Yeah, it's a wild card, right?

Ryan O'Reilly. Okay. Patrice Bergeron, probably going to retire. 2.4. Alex Killorn. Those are different numbers. Alex Killorn. Yeah, he's going to get six years somewhere.

Alex Kerfoot. Yeah. JT Comfer. Lars Eller. Paul Byron. Pui Suter. Craig Smith. You could have talked me into Suter.

Oscar Sunkist. Or find the next David Kampf at a smaller price. Okay, then I'm just looking down the list of names here. It's not exactly a murderer's row of guys who are going to go out and find. Nobody says that you have to replace them with those type of players, Sammy. Yeah, but you need. That's what a scouting department is for. You need butchers on a hockey team.

That's where I giveyle dubas a lot of credit uh you know for for whatever reason he was able to find undervalued guys in a bottom six role so i don't know i just i think you need to pay guys to play hockey that and it's not like an egregious cap killing number and you need them to play a lot i gotta tell you i got in trouble once when i was with the marlies um you know lou lamorello gives a speech all the time about how a team is an orchestra and you need a percussionist and you need a tuba player and not everyone gets to play the guitar or whatever and i was trying to film it and i was like fresh out of media and i wanted to record because i wanted to show my buddies and they saw me trying to film it and i was like fresh out of media and i wanted to record because i wanted to show my buddies and they saw me trying to record oh it wasn't good it wasn't great that's

against the law in some places recording people without their permission that's right i just wanted to i had a doubt i just wanted the audio because lou gives this speech all the time and there's just one person was like you probably shouldn't do that but it's the point i'm making is it's a great it's a fair argument for a hockey team right like someone has to play a different instrument and the leafs have so many guys who play the same instrument to me so now brad has done the impossible he's made nick kiprios long for k Duvis. Oh, Kyle was so good at finding those guys, Kyle. You got to give credit where credit's due. Oh, sure.

Those five goals from Zach Aston Reese this year were amazing. I'll have you know it was 10. Oh, I almost swore. There's a longer list than that. Oh, yeah. Michael Bunting, who i hated watching every minute of his leafs career great it was a wonderful yeah cheap talent that over achieved where they were coming from yeah i am true living has truly done the impossible it's not sign it's not sign it's

not sign austin matthews and willie all right um in the last 24 hours, 48 hours, your confidence for Austin Matthews signing? Yeah, I'm at like a 9 out of 10 confident he's going to sign. Same. I really don't even think about it, if I'm being honest. Not only is he signing, but now the vibe is that he doesn't want to get a super high number, that he wants to leave money on the table. Where are you seeing that?

Frank Cervelli. He did? I didn't see that. Is that true? Go look at Frank's Twitter. How did I miss that? How did you miss that? It's not like I produce a hockey show or anything.

Right? Well, listen, How did I miss that? How did you miss that? It's not like I produce a hockey show or anything. Right. Well, listen, we've talked about enough times that it's probably the smart thing for him to do in terms of reputation, future money, winning, all the things that, you know, will lead to him having a better life. Extra few mil on your 105 to 120 doesn't really change which car he's going to buy, but it certainly changes how people are going to look at him. Okay. Did you find it, Sammy? No, I'm searching tirelessly here.

Oh, goodness. Tirelessly? I think he was on the show. I think he was actually set on Sportsnet 590. Okay. I'll keep looking here, boys. Come on, Sammy. But so what's your point?

Let's say Sammy finds right now and Frank has said that, okay, he's going to take less. Yeah, just my point is, I don't know, could you have thought of that five years ago? You think that's a good point? Yes, I do. I wonder how differently things would have looked, you know, if you could go back in time and make that happen. Is it a little late? Well, better late than never.

You'd rather him, you know, do it right than. He's still going to be the highest paid player in NHL history, which, you know, great that you had a career year at 60 and you won an MVP, but do you even deserve that? Okay, here's what we have. Okay. This is from Fan Drive Time with Ben Ennis, the wonderful show that follows our show.

All right. It says that Austin Matthews wants to allow enough money on the Leafs cap to build a team that has a chance to win. His next contract is not about setting a record. It's not about getting four times 15 million. He wants to win and he needs to find a spot that pays him appropriately and gives the Leafs room to go out and make moves. Okay.

Rewind. Could he have not done that five years ago? Well, I don't know. He can't make that decision today and he can make the right decision today, which this seems to be. That's great news. That would be wonderful. And I wonder ifie neil under camp is hearing that going oh that's annoying yeah i'm sure he is i mean what i wonder what willie neil andrews thinking seeing timo meyer get paid eight million times what was it 8.8 times eight he got today like what does

that make willie feel like probably pretty good because he's a hell of a lot better hockey player than timo meyer is yeah i don't think uh of course the leafs are gonna remind nylander of this recent signing by meyer and uh pierre luke dubois i think it's gonna be real hard for Willie, and I'll just say this, to ask for more than nine now, given the numbers given to Meyer and Dubois. Dubois is in the eights, and Meyer is in the eights. But Willie is objectively better than both of those guys. I don't know about that. Pierre-Luc Dubois, when he's playing well, is a force.

And Meyer, well, he scored 40 himself, didn't he? Yeah, I mean, if you had the choice, if you gave me the choice, I'd probably take him. I'm taking Willie, too, but not by. Panarin or Nylander, who do you want? I want Nylander. Johnny Goudreau or Nylander, who do you want? Still want. I get your point.

It's close. It's not Nylander or Meyer or Nylander and Pierre-Luc Dubois, who's on his fourth team or whatever he's on. He can't stay on a team. Yeah, those are relevant contracts to him, Kip. Those are young players who score goals who are in their mid-20s that just signed comparable deals with comparable histories. I don't think you can compare Pierre-Luc Dubois' goals to Nylander's goals.

I don't even know what Dubois' high would be, 35 or something, but yeah, okay. So if you want to make that case that he's not in that... I think he's going to have a decision to make in the next few days, if not a week or what. And I don't suggest that you can't start the season with Nylander, even though he's going into his final year of his contract. But it's going to be tough to.

God, PLD stats are nowhere near as Willie's. Yeah. He scored 28. Sorry, I had to make you dig that up. Never higher than 63 points. Right. Sorry. And where did Nylander end up with 90?

Lots. Yeah, lots. Yeah. And where did Nylander end up with 90? Lots. Yeah, lots. So Nylander has an argument to be up around Pasternak and Panarin and Johnny Gaudreau numbers and Jonathan Huberdeau numbers, buddy. That's 10. That's 10. Now, does he want to give a million dollars back to the leafs or a million and a half because he loves toronto so much that's always on the on a possibility

doesn't strike me as that guy though yeah maybe not um yeah you know what would you like to see him come in at here for the leafs you know for me if he signed somewhere between nine and nine and a half you know on an eight-year deal here's my thing with willie is i don't want to give him an eight year deal i would love to give willie five years yeah i i think uh i think the leafs would have a tough decision if they had to uh uh look at a bottom end willie neilander saying i won't sign for anything less than nine yeah i just feel like willie is 27 or whatever he is he's got another year deal if you tack an eight-year deal onto that nine years past now you're talking about what's age 36 willie neilanders compete level like you know like

i don't know i don't disagree yeah so i'd love to give him five years and i know the cap is tight right now and gotta bump it up a little bit to give him a shorter term maybe you do but doesn't help you now and if you don't win now you're probably fired so you do it but again it's just you know we are talking about again if you go to camp which we talked about at the top of the show into bringing back matthews and neil and we're just talking about the same team coming back yeah it's a problem i am on record as i want them to change something significantly i would like them to trade a core member whether that be tavaris whether that be willie whether that be mitch i i want that to happen for them well if it is then then maybe nylander is going to make that decision for you by saying that I want

10 or 10 and a half million on an eight year deal. Yeah. It's probably as simple as if his agent comes in and said, Willie wants 10 and a half and you go, okay, I'll start calling her on the league. See what we can see. You can find for a partner for you.

You know, that's just too much for the Leafs, particularly if Matthews is under 13 or something. And we know that the cap is going up $1 million next year. Yes. Not going up this year. Kampf just ate it up. And one next year.

You actually only paid Kampf $1.5 million, $1.4 million. So they're behind the eight ball. Doesn't look like Luke Shens even in the mix right now to return. Really? I'm okay with that. See, you give Kemp 2.4, but you can't give Luke Shen 2. 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 4, you can't. You'd rather see them go that route?

Listen, I'd rather have given $2.4 million to Luke Shen for one year, but Luke Shen's going to want three or four years, and that I don't agree with. Right. All right, let's welcome in Mike Futa. Futes, we've solved nothing in 21 minutes. How are you? In two weeks.

I don't think anybody has, but no, I'm doing well. All right, let's start with you on the David Kampf bottom six signing at 2.4 million times four. It's a number i i saw months ago i'm not sure if the leafs thought that they were going to bring him back as a third or fourth line centerman depending on how ryan o'reilly played out but this all but solidifies that ryan o'reilly won't be back if you're if you're paying this type of money to Camp, correct? It would appear that way.

And that truly, that's too bad because I think Ryan O'Reilly, I mean, and I know that's somebody that Tree really covets. And obviously, I think he's a great fit, a great ad. And I still hope that that one's not dead in the rocks. But when you look at the term and, you know, Camp, he's a good player. I mean, but it's not something you leave the room something you lead through drilling about on a team that you know has some areas they've got to fill up and again i get back to the point that i just don't understand i know you mentioned i didn't hear your talk but like a guy like shenner who uh and i talked to him about this because uh he just loves his time in toronto right and he obviously was a huge effective pickup.

And, you know, we talked a little bit about what Gio had to do, and it was obvious, like, Gio had about $60 million in the bank when he was able to take a pay cut to come back to his hometown, right? Whereas Schenner's last four deals, I believe, have been anywhere between $750 and $850. So to have the kind of effect he had in the playoffs, you can't blame him for wanting a little bit more. I don't know how far term guys would go out, but certainly his cap hits should be better.

But that's where I still, I just didn't understand signing at the timing of a, when the dollars are so critical to restructuring this roster over the next few years, why a commitment was made to Connor Timmons. I don't know what it was, Borny. Is it Borny here today? I'm here, pal.

Hey, Borny. Timmons won the three-point. 1.1 times two years? I'll check here. Whatever it was, he was deemed to be the ninth defenseman. Now, I don't know, but if right now you're 1.1 short of being able to bring back luke shen on this blue line that's the kind of signing that just just didn't make any sense and no knocking but at the timing of it just didn't have to happen either

i mean he wasn't in their plans for the playoffs he didn't play in the playoffs and you clearly could see that shenner was making the impact that you wanted at that time so i just didn't understand the timing of putting any kind of draft, monetary capital towards a player that you might need to, but he wasn't going anywhere. And now you've got guys that were effective pieces that might have to go elsewhere because that money is not available to use. You know, I already see people being like, you know,

there's the Dubasites here who loved them and now Tree Living's here. And they're like, yeah, okay. You know, too much see people being like, you know, there's the Dubasites here who loved him, and now Tree Living's here, and they're like, yeah, okay, too much money for David Kampf, you know, this sort of one-dimensional player. What would you say are the tendencies of Brad Tree Living as a general manager? What is it he does, you know, that fans can expect to see over his years of trying to build a team? Fearless. years of trying to build the team fearless um yeah i think uh again i i just look at sitting on the panel on the trade that i think was the last few free agencies and and talking to him and and you know he's working and you know he's got he's got that ability to have he's almost friends with everybody in the league like there's not that small little group that they kind of know that he's

just going to get a trade done with them, but it'd be all of a sudden, it'd look, it'd look grim. And all of a sudden Markstrom and Tan have it done. And he, and he found a way. Now, I mean, I'm sure I don't even know the draft, the cap guy wasn't Calgary, but I'm sure that Brandon Pridham is just MVP status right now with all the different concepts and thoughts are being thrown out on how we can make this work.

But, I mean, even as bad as things were last year, that he didn't expect Goudreau really, him walking, they gave Goudreau the money he wanted, and he turned it down and ends up going to Columbus. Matthew Tuchok at least gave them an opportunity to get some assets, and as poorly as some of the assets played this year, that was still pretty remarkable to be able to come across with something for Tuchuk with what he did.

And those are the kind of deals that he really has a good feel for what a team needs. And then going out and executing and having, obviously, you look at this team, they're not loaded with prospects coming up. I mean, you can try. And that's new for somebody, too, because as a JM, you're coming in, knowing everything you loaded with prospects coming up. I mean, you can try, and that's new for somebody too, because as a JM, you're coming in, knowing everything you've got in Calgary,

and now you've got to familiarize yourself with, other than knees, who's really going to help this team in the future with your, and do I have the draft capital or depth to make a move? And I mean, and it's so important, guys. I mean, I looked at that trade yesterday, and again, obviously I've got a huge affinity for Mark and Eddie and the LA Kings staff and the job that we did as a group. And not only providing, you know, the effective assets for Dean to make trades to win cups, but even to keep yourself out of a huge rebuild like Blakey's been able to do by the incredible job that they continue to do drafting.

And it's not room for everybody, but I mean, you know, when we needed to make our push, you know, we, we, we gave up up Shannon Wayne Simmons, Braden Shannon Wayne Simmons to get Mike Richards back. So you're getting back something, you know, exactly as much as it kills a scout to give up the capital that you're giving up. And then you see yesterday or the day before, you know, how they come up with the trade that a team's. And then you see yesterday, or the day before, how they've come up with the trade

that a team's allowed to look at Capari, Velarde, Ayafalo, who are all very quality NHLers. And if Velarde ever breaks out, he's going to make them regret this one because if he's got his head in the right spot, he's capable of scoring 60, 70 points a year. And Dubois comes back in as the pick. And I was surprised because down the middle

um you know he's bounced around a little bit they've obviously done their homework on his character but it also bounces down uh the uh who's their who's their second line center now the kid they got out of Montreal he's been playing so exceptionally well there that he now drops down a slot to know yeah to know and he's been excellent so you've got incredible centerline depth um the one that surprised me there is again you have capital to make moves but sean dersey is i love sean dersey i mean we included him in the mcjake muzzin tree but he's very few in the back to that right shot d that can play a power play probably best shoot on a second power play but he's got that throwback dirt to him.

Like, he's not quite Radko Gudish, but he sticks you. He gets in every – he's just – he's one of those guys that you kind of covet. So I was pretty surprised that he was moved out. But it's a different look altogether. But now you look at the Leaf roster, and sort of getting back to Treleving, he really likes grit, right? And it would surprise me if somewhere out of this and i mean he always had it uh big snot was that a rub in the back he had luch up front you know he tried to breathe life into nick richie he wants a tan of you've got guys you want to be hard to play against and it

wouldn't surprise me i mean the name that i always come up with this if philadelphia is just continue to sell away i'd be doing my darndest to figure out how to get Nick Deloria out of there. Or even if Ryan Reeves is available, because I still believe over the course of a regular season, with all the skill that the Leafs have up front, they need something to deter them being taken on. And now if you lose Luke Shen, you're getting even softer in that category. And you're not going to be able to look at a Mark Giordano or a Jake McCabe to be a guy that's going to please people from taking care of your star players.

So it'll be interesting down the stretch, but long story short, he'll do anything to make a team better. He's very creative and not afraid to make the big trade, but there's always an element of toughness and grit that goes with his teams, and right now I think that's part of looking at it, and it's quite early what the Leafs are lacking. We're talking to Mike Feud, a former NHL executive, Sportsnet hockey analyst.

Earlier, we were also discussing Willie Nylander and where the fit is. And no question with Pierre-Luc Dubois going on a long-term deal at $8.5 million, not to compare him to Pierre-Luc Dubois going on a long-term deal at $8.5 million, not to compare him to Pierre-Luc Dubois in any way, but can the Leafs now look at the same type of thing and say, we've got you slotted at this price, and this is how we make it work? Do you see that falling into place, and do you see Willie

Nylander accepting that? Well, a lot of times it's good that he got it at home. I don't think there's too many young players. I mean, he obviously says all the right things about wanting to be a Toronto Leaf and clearly he was a very, very valuable piece last year. He was awesome. But

you look at what Mitch Yetz and look what Matthews will be getting, and I can just see his camp not looking for any type of discounts, and it's unfortunate because he's kind of got him in a place. Like, I always thought looking at that situation, if there was one piece out of the core four that you were going to be, like, obviously we talked before about my dream thought scenario with John Tavares, but obviously he's immovable.

But a guy like Nylander, like from a hockey trade, I felt that a Lindholm, like if Lindholm was up against it, he gives the lead and you're not getting O'Reilly. You get a legitimate, legitimate stud second line center who plays hard in the playoffs. He's your typical Swede you're looking at. And then if Willie's the piece you have to move out, because he's going to expect to get 10 million dollars um that's right but if i'm countered i'm terrified because

why is willie gonna unless you know like la is not making any of those moves unless they've got dubois at 8.5 that's why it took so long to announce the trade and it's willie's kind of got them in a spot that if nobody's going to trade him unless except a trade from a player like that unless they know they've got them at a long-term number that he's going to be there and they're not going to get egg on their face because they gave up a huge piece to get a guy that's only going to be there once one year and then go to ufa market so it'll be interesting because it's easy to come up with a trade but it's not easy to say that the place that a player like an elander is going to land is going to accept a long-term contract situation and sign it so the trade makes sense.

So it'll be funny, but I mean, I've heard, I talked to Toffoli yesterday, and here's a guy that, you know, it made it quite clear he wanted to stay in Calgary and with everything going on with the changes, I mean, I believe, well, I know for a fact, there was never even a number offered to him. It was just the term that was, they didn't want to go more than two years.

And he wasn't coming off his best year of his life prepared to go that short on a deal where he clearly, in a team that needs scoring, as much as he's getting a little bit older, he still was their leading scorer last year, and they have to move on from him. So it will be really interesting what they do with the remaining RFAs there in a Backstrom situation or in a Lindholm situation. I'm hearing Lindholm has been offered somewhere in the range of $72 million

to stay in Calgary. So at some point, it's going to be almost like that. We're going to drastically – not drastically, but we're definitely going to overpay you to keep you because it's not going to look good on an organization that basically said had a general manager who was doing a great job and very proper to leave and then they all said okay Daryl's just toxic he's had a horrible year if we don't get rid of Daryl we're all going to leave they get rid of Daryl and now all the same guys have got you know that that was the reason I found other reasons why they're considering not wanting to stay

so that's a tough one to get out of in a short period of time. But again, I know Toph's extremely happy that he's gone to a place where he's going to have great offensive guys around him and hopefully can put up some numbers to give himself a bigger payday. But when you look back at Calgary, where they're at and not really having incredible amounts of young assets to come up and fill in, you're'll get out some tough decisions over the next five days. So what do you think, you know, Brad tree living, walking into, you know, he knows Calgary's guys. There's Elias Lindholm,

who'd be a great player, you know, for a team to get her back. Lynn, like, would he have a relationship with Conroy where he could make a trade for one of those guys? And before you even answer that, they would have to free up cap space for a big guy like that do you think it's he'll approach john tavarez and engage his interest in leaving to see if they can free up some sort of space for something bigger well i think because he's fresh and that's a great point i think because he's fresh he's not going to offend anybody you know what i mean like

by going in and having that conversation um you're not breaking anybody's heart any promises made like through the dubious love and the you know unless shanney's made some comment promise to taveras that that's never going to happen which i don't think that would be the case but brad is a straight shooter and he's and he's got that compassionate way of talking to a guy like i know for a fact talking to the matthews that it didn't take very long for austin matthews to have a real strong shiny feeling feeling about Treleving. And that sensibility, I mean, even from talking to the Bobby Hastings of the world,

the first time he's meeting, he's a very engaging guy. He's very intelligent. He's got a great sense of humor. I don't think there is a bit of a fact, though, that he also has a different thought on certain players in Calgary that doesn't just come across as like, God, that'd be a great fit because Brad had him in Calgary.

There's certain players I know he loves, and obviously Glendale's one of them, as is a backline, and the guy that, the one that it wouldn't surprise me if there was any way to go about making something work is Tanev, because he brings an element on the right side of the Leafs that, you know, he's a better player than Shen, a little bit better player all the way around.

And although he's not a fighter, he's got that nasty warrior that they kind of lack on the other side, and he's a proven playoff guy, right? And I know he's banged up a bit, but you've got to – if you're banged up, it's usually because you play hard. You know, there's a lot of guys that stay healthy because they don't compete. So he's a kind of great add. And, again, I just expect somehow out of when the dust settles here with Brad and whatever changes are made, I don't know whether there's going to be an exodus going to Pittsburgh or the staff or what have you,

that there's going to be an element of grit added to this. And I truly expect Matthews to be signed long-term. I'd be shocked if anything was done with Mitch. And again, it's just that kind of internal grading of what do you do. Like if Nylander's given you its $10 million or nothing, that's going to be a hard one to chew on. And you guys probably know more than I, when I heard about this Carlson deal, like the cap gymnastics that would have to go on for Carlson to become a leaf

is just amazing to think of how they could pull that off with the cap situation. And clearly the one factor that everybody knows about is it really appears that Jake Muzzin is not going to be playing hockey anymore, and that draft capital is going to be available for them in some capacity to use. So there's a little bit more than appears on paper, but still the magic that would be required to do something from that ilk. And the one that, guys, you can tell me better, I mean, I liked Joseph Wall in the playoffs last year,

but I'm a little surprised about the lack of talk around Matt Murray if there's complete faith in bringing him back for another run at it. Well, I've had my comments on the show uh a while ago these guys are looking at me like i got three heads when i said that's dubas wanted to extend dubas dubas would have had him back starting next year well at least one of two goalies i can assure you. Well, then you got to figure, I mean, if Tristan Jari is out in Pittsburgh, welcome home, Matt. Let's go. The question is, will Brendan let Tree Living even talk to him?

Well, he's letting him sit at the draft table. At least it was a lot more amicable than it appeared. I mean, I don't know what the whole thought process behind it. I mean, and I've been there, like obviously Trill, that's killing me when the draft's on. And I mean, i've been there like obviously a trill that's killing me tonight when the draft's on and i mean i've got my daughter's graduation so i've got a huge solo somewhere i'm going to be tonight but the action on the draft and the chagri you know to

not let brad sit at the table and then he comes you know shooting out like a wwe hall of fame we're out of the car when they put a spotlight on him when he walks to the table. Yeah, like Ricky Romero coming out of the bullpen. Here comes Brad Trello to the Leaf table. Because obviously there's ways to communicate, right? And it's not like there's going to be a tap on his phone. So it's such a, it's just, I don't know, whatever. It's cheesy.

But C'est la vie, it's obviously there was a little bit, it tells you there's a little bit more of a sore heel, open wound with tree leaving. So you had more of a look of Major League when Charlie Sheen came out and they started blaring wild thing.

What about a little interesting man, Mariano Rivera coming in. You put a little tape on Tree's glasses there for the Ricky Vaughn. Ricky Vaughn. Go wild thing. One more before we let you go. Are we going to see some teams

shuffling the first round? Their positioning? I think it's the best time of year for that, Kipper, and I've always thought because people now, they're so... All the grey area that's gone in trading a pick at the trade deadline is out of it,

right? So now you've got your amateur list in front of you. You've got the exact where these teams are picking instead of picking a team and giving them a grey player for their first round pick and they go on a tear and the pick changes 10 spots. You now can sit with your analytics guys and your staff and say, okay, now we've got this piece we want to move.

You know, prospect A is available at 7-hole or wherever, and it just takes all the gray area that's there for you at the trade deadline about not knowing the specific player that you're going to acquire. You know what the draft exactly, who's sitting right in front of your nose if you're going to give up capital, and I think there's going to be a lot more moving around that way. Some teams have multiple picks. Some teams have to get better players.

I mean, they just need to be better. And again, it's a unique setup, but there's a lot of fun involved in that portion of it because as you look at it, there's teams that really, really do have the pressure on them to win again next year. And there's holes that are going to require draft picks to be moved. And again, it's just so much easier to do at the draft when you know exactly what's

available and exactly the slot that you're trading for. So I'm sure it'll be quite exciting. All right, Foots. Enjoy tonight. And we'll talk to you soon. Okay. Appreciate it, guys. Have a good one. Thanks, Feuts. Mike Feuta. Thanks, Foots. Enjoy tonight, and we'll talk to you soon, okay? Appreciate it, guys. Have a good one.

Thanks, dudes. Mike Futa. Thanks, Borey. Yeah. Some good nuggets in there. Lindholm being offered eight times nine, 72 million. It's interesting. Muzzin not playing again is actually a question I had.

He can. He's in a position like Jonathan Huberto was. And Brad Tree Living. Gotta have him. Brad Tree Living probably overspent on Jonathan Huberto's contract by a million and a half. Like, it was crazy what Brad gave him just to lock him in, to get out from that whole whole matthew kachuk yeah was like

it was it was nuts he certainly had a lot of leverage once kachuk is going to resign in florida it's like but there was there's no one on the planet earth that would ever offer jonathan hubrid oh 10.5 million i don't know what you're talking about he was third in heart trophy voting that year before going into that season he goes to ufa he's getting 10 million for sure not a chance he's like a late 26 foot something guy with 150 points what do you mean you want to go once once yeah okay it happened. It did not happen. Once. If he went to UFA after that season, he's easily getting $10 million. No, you're nuts. You're nuts.

He's a winger. No, you're nuts. He's a winger. Yeah. Wingers don't get that. Listen, Will, wingers don't get it. He's the all-time leading scorer in the prestigious history of the Florida Panthers. It's crazy that the guy does it once

and then it gets chopped in half. And then you're in Calgary though and you're going, okay, well also now taxes are through the roof and it's cold here and we play in a 90-year-old building that leaks and you know, you got to pay a little bit for some of that. God, he was bad last year. It was a

huge overpay and Lynn Holm is now maybe going to tell Craig Conroy the same thing, that you want me this badly, you're going to have to overpay a little bit here. For sure. They can't. Feud's point, it looks bad when everyone wants to leave. You need to keep some of your people. I love Lindholm.

Me too. That line with Chuck Gaudreau and him, though, that's not. I liked him away from that line. Yeah, I liked him too. Every time I watch Calgary, I'm like, he just pops. He shoots it in the damn net. He pops. Is he a $9 million player, a $10 million centerman? Is he a superstar?

Not 10. No. Is he 9? Is 9 superstar? I don't think 9 superstar. Yeah, 9 superstar for me. It should be a superstar. Yeah, nine's a superstar for me. It should be nine's a superstar, but is Barzella a front-line leader guy? Barzell, Dubois, Meyer, Lindholm's in that camp.

Lindholm gets Selke trophy votes to go with it. He's in that camp. Yeah, I am a fan of him, for sure. I just, I mean, $72 72 millions a lot of money for him is it ever we should break it okay let's go to break more after the break

how's that we'll get back to it Dive deep into Toronto sports and the NFL. The JD Bunkus podcast. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is real Kipper and Bourne on Sportsnet 590 The Van. All right, we're on the clock here, guys. Okay. What are we going to see tonight at the draft? Montreal picks fifth. Yeah.

Frank also implied that maybe Mitchkoff might be an interesting... They like him. In our... You know, you can find some odds on certain sites. Bet 365. I wouldn't be against betting him going in the top five. I don't know what that would pay. I don't know if you're going to get any odds on certain sites bet 365 i wouldn't be against betting him going in the top five i don't know what that would pay i don't know if you're gonna get any odds on that but that uh that to me just would reek of hey a year two years three years we'll wait we have no intention of being good uh in the near future so yeah you're one of the teams that could do that. Like, just the division.

The Atlantic is so good next year. Montreal, if you're not going to compete and then, you know, he's a year away after that, okay. I guess, is he going to be that much better than who you could get at that spot? I don't know. It seems like he has... They're at one spot at a time, right?

It was him, Bedard, him, Bedard. You know, maybe a year ago that was the case. In other news, Tampa Bay sends Ross Colton to the Colorado Avalanche in hopes of replacing Landis Cogg. I don't know. Look at this move, though, for Colorado. They chip out small alex new hook they get back two picks with 31 and 37 then they used just the 37 to bring in colton

who's a cap casualty in tampa bay who is feisty and physical and scores and i love colton that's a great pickup for me i like them too i would have liked them in toronto yeah that's a they wouldn't probably have done it to toronto i'm guessing i don't know but boy i really like that player the sense is that they moved colton out to take another run at signing um calorn calorn thank you really yeah yeah i just think calorn's 33 i like calorn but you're gonna Cologne? Cologne. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I just think Cologne's 33. I like Cologne, but you're going to have to give him a lot of years because he's UFA. Maybe not.

He loves it there. There's the tax thing. Yeah, he'll sign an eight-year, $850K per year contract. Then retire in four years. Yeah, that's what they'll do. They'll just, you know, whatever. They've been down that road before. They get away with murder down there. They do whatever they want.

You're just ticked off that Kyle didn't think of it earlier. What do you mean? Well, the Leafs would have put a few people on IR earlier. The tweet that Sammy and I got an internet fight about today, I was just saying that, like, the salary cap, the teams that weremy and i got an internet fight about today i just saying that like the salary cap the teams that were affected by it most when it suddenly flattened out right as they sort of needed cap space the leafs number one number one in sam's mind and a lot of people's mind it killed tampa bay like they built a stanley cup contender for they could have been a dynasty

beyond the two years but they had to get rid of palat and johnson and pierre joseph and colton and you know like any number of players here gourd coleman goodrow like they got murdered by the salary cap mistake i said i said poor tampa yeah oh my god my heart my heart breaks for that kucherov who oh my heart breaks didn't play a regular season game right the same that you know has happened for it was a cane in chicago and stone and vegas and everyone does it the leafs have done it you know like it's the league the league started sniffing around when they did it with what was that guy's name that scored no goals the number 20 riley something oh yeah riley nash but the thing is they're like whoa whoa whoa whoa the guy who doesn't do anything it's intentionally gary's understanding the point

ford performance center that they have amassed tampa amassed such a wealth of talent that they haven't got to keep because of the cap you know not to say that they do everything perfect but they have really got hosed uh lucic maybe back in boston no bergeron no creche no hall no felino but lucic is nick ritchie unavailable jeez i mean this is gonna come back to haunt me they could go from the best regular season of all time to missing playoffs they got the best goaltending performances ever from both goalies last year. Who I still don't believe in. No, still, they may have.

Did Omer, he won the Besna, right? He did. Yeah. They're going to have to move forward or something. They got to move one goalie. Move a goalie. Minus four good forwards. It doesn't sound like Gorlov's going to resign there.

Really? Oh, really? This is my The Rock eyebrow. I'm trying to do my Rock eyebrow. Could the Leafs find a way to if they don't go down the path of re-signing Nylander, would you take a run at Orlov? Well, that's the thing. If you sign another big ticket, you've got to move out a big ticket.

So, I just, you know, you talked about, oh oh it's the same it's the same it's the same can we just be different that's the game changer that would change things that would look different yes that would look much different i tweeted about miles wood and everyone in new jersey was like i guess he's a major crypto bro and just like he's on twitter space is doing crypto and he's having scratched and he can't pass the puck i was gonna say i love it i got killed a lot of people not big fans of Miles Wood. Like, I saw people be like, finally, we can get rid of Wood.

I'm like, that's always the test for me. Always the test. What's he make? He's not cheap. No, he's going to be a three and a half or could be four. I don't know. All right, just like that, one hour gone. Oh, my God.

Come on, guys. Slow it down. I don't want you to do two hours. We should have gotten to these other deals instead of camping it up for two minutes. We could still easily go another hour. Yes. Yeah, but we won't. I got to tease that. Thanks to Mike Feud, a former NHL executive.

Does a terrific job on Sportsnet. Hey, listen, give us a rating and review if you get a chance. A thumbs up on YouTube. We're back tomorrow. Good news. Have a great night, everybody. Enjoy the draft.