Real Kyper & Bourne - Kaprizov Breaks the Bank + Will Sens take the Next Step?

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee kick off the show reacting to Kirill Kaprizov's record-setting extension to stay in Minnesota, an 8-year, $17M AAV deal. Then, Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli (10:15) stops by to discuss how Kaprizov's contract impacts Connor McDavid and others' negotiations, Vegas as a potential landing spot for Carter Hart and how the Leafs' roster crunch might play out. Later, Jason York (32:19) of the Coming in Hot Sens podcast joins Nick and Justin to share his thoughts on Ottawa's outlook this season, concerns about Linus Ullmark, whether the club is ready to join the group of perennial playoff teams in the East, and Jake Sanderson's potential.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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although YouTube was a little slow yesterday I'm told You get updates from people hey people don't know Oh yeah No by Kipper checking every minute So we can read the comments Yes no

Not all the comments Just Just every once in a while Sammy You gotta connect with the fans but not by reading those comments that's not the way to do it good comments oh yeah great i'd never know for justin and i yeah i was going to say i would never know yeah i would never know and there's a cartoon out there too yeah we're getting uh ai versions of us i got way too many wrinkles

they got to lighten up on the wrinkles i appreciate the effort yeah i i is definitely gonna come in and be able to do us pretty soon i think they probably can yeah in a few minutes we'll welcome in Frank Saravelli, NHL Insider. Also, Jason York will join us a little later on in the show. So we are jam-packed here. The biggest news of the day, of course, Minnesota Wild and superstar Karel Kaprisov signing a new deal. It's not an NHL-breaking contract that Edmonton fans wanted to hear.

No? No. Do you think it matters about for the McDavid contract? The Caprizov one? We'll get into it in a second for sure. And that's a good question. Thank you. And we will address such concerns.

But first of all, we had talked about Correll earlier last week about turning down 16 and is it just to get to 17 or was there a bigger picture about him wanting out of Minnesota? I'm for one. full admission i did not see this coming i really believed that turning down 16 meant that he wanted to go possibly play somewhere else i actually think this is worse and this was just about the cash i think it's worse i do like we sat here yesterday and i also said he turned down 16 that's 2 million more than leon dry sidel who's won MVP he's led you know art rosses

he's whatever, two million more than him is already a bit of an F you to your own organization like I just I want this money because I can extort it out of you and then the fact that the answer of what he wanted was more and then they gave it to him

this is insane to me like but how do you take 20% of the cap walk into the dressing room with your teammates to be like let's go win a cup boys I can't recall a bigger cave in by an organization

than the one I just witnessed right now out of Minnesota. But, hey, listen, he was all about the cash. It's apparent now. I give him full marks for... 20%. He took every nickel he could. Just taking as much as he could off of this contract. Can I ask you guys, this question?

How much of this is Bill Garen's decision-making versus the ownership's decision-making? I don't think it's Bill Garen's decision. Yeah, no. Well, I mean, can we... I have a... I have a clip from today, from the press conference before it got started. It's just, it's a quick clip, Derek, if you could play that.

It's pretty good. Big chair. Better be. To be clear, and we'll play this again. That's a reporter asking to freeze off. Are you excited? And Garen replying, he eff and better be. Let's hear it again.

Big chair. Better be. And Gary is not laughing at this point, like this past week was scheduled to join us tomorrow at 3.5. So we can talk to him. Yeah, those presidents and general managers, it's not their money. There's an owner there that has to sign off of it. They just end up being the runners back and forth. What do you want to do?

You want to sign them at 17? That's the owner says yes or no. It's as simple as that. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I guess my big complaint is just it reminds me of when the Leafs caved to Nielander. Marner, to those guys in the beginning and just said, whatever you guys want, we don't want any problems. We just

know we want you here. And then they became the, oh, we're the get as much as you can team. That's like that's what we're about. You know, we're not the Florida Panthers. Can Minnesota, can Minnesota build a championship

around this guy and around a guy that is locked in an AAV that we've never seen before? It's $17 million. You know, I guess as the cap goes up The one thing, so Craig Leopold It's going to go up, but he took all of it I know

Do you understand? Yeah, all of it He's gone. He left no crumbs. No, yeah, yeah. The last can of who has. So it's irrelevant that the cap's going up

because whatever it's gone up, he's just gobbled it up. Yeah. So how much better are they going to be able to get now? they got to actually take money off of other players to kind well yeah it's it's not that's the dilemma of a salary cap right a hard salary cap the more you take the less it is for everybody else and that's the big question here is can they build a championship around this guy and 17 million dollars you know

he's an unbelievable player he gets points he scores 45 50 goals he gets 100 points okay you know that he's unbelievable. He's 28. He's not 24. 28. So he, they made, they've never,

if they went around with him? I don't think so. Six seasons, he's played in the NHL and he hasn't played four seasons worth of games. So he's, he scored 40 goals,

I think, three times, right? You're right. He is a legit, 100 point guy, and maybe in a career year, he could score 110, 115?

He had 101, he had 108 in, before he went down last year MVP candidate 100% was having the best year of anybody in the league Before he got hurt Yeah, before he got hurt But

They are still with him in the lineup scoring 100 points A wild card team at best Yeah They're just like destined to finish 13th to 17th It feels like I listen I think that they're Who they are

They're the Minnesota Wild They need a superstar there They're tough to get No one's choosing to go be a super star star in Minnesota. The fans are great fans and all that. So I get the desperation to be like, I don't want to trade him to the Rangers for two firsts and a great

prospect and, you know, hope in the future. We get someone. Like I get them being like, we want him to have his big seasons here and we'll pay for that. And Leopold himself says he puts butts in the seats for us and that's important. He says, Carrille was always about the team and having a competitive team and his commitment and winning a cup.

He never raised the money issue. That was always the agent that's how that works you tell your agent about the money that's how that works so they're trying to wash it properly i mean can i say from the other perspective here from a fans perspective if i'm a minnesota wild fan today i'm like we got him let's go like i get to watch this guy i see i see that value he is legitimately one of the best players in the league he's thought wanted to leave if they lose them where do you go where you like jehobe ickel doesn't sign in Vegas and then you bring him no offense to minnesota i love I love Minneapolis, St. Paul, and I'm not just saying that.

But no one's picking it. That's not, it's like Winnipeg or Columbus or, look, you have to know where you're at. Except Zach Preezee and Ryan Souter Day one time. They can't have one time. And they just got out of that. They just got out of that cap hell. And you just wonder what a 17 million AAV does for you moving forward. All right.

So before we get to Frank, just a thought on how this directly affects Connor and the Edmonton Oilers. I don't think it affects Connor and the Oilers. Because I think Connor's going to, you know, Elliot, I think yesterday said, I think he'll sign for 16, possibly even less for a short thing. And people are looking at that contract and say, well, it's not relevant. He's obviously worth more than that, but he wants to win. Yeah, I totally agree with you. You do.

That's nice. It has no bearing on what's going on with Connor McDavid because if Connor was to surpass that, the only thing that would make sense is he would sign an. eight-year deal. Yeah. And he's not signing it a eight-year deal. You know, it's not happening because if it was going to happen, it would happen a long time ago.

Yeah. So he will sign for 15, I bet you two years at max. Two years. Yes. Might as well just not resign. Three years is crazy. Four makes no sense. Four makes no sense.

It doesn't. No. Why not? What are you going to sign him for at four years? I have no idea. 15 like if four years if he signs for four years then he's going to have to surpass Carell okay you're not you're not giving up four years

to be underpaid underpaid yeah but you will give them two years to be underpaid we have our guess okay all right let's go to frank Saravelli I don't know how much you've heard of our recent sputter on the situation in edmonton but Frank you're happy we're happy to have you here thanks for joining us and just pick it up from there

so if you caught it if you didn't my suggestion is that if we're going to see Connor on a short term deal it's not to surpass Kirill it will be to leave as much money as he can to still win a championship in Edmonton that's the basis of what I said

I think you're spot on Kipper and I think when it comes to messing with the term of a contract, a lot of people assume that players are chasing more money when they go for shorter term. The answer to that is yes, but it's over the long haul. It's on the next contract that they get paid. So every time you reduce the amount of term, theoretically, the AAV needs to come down in accordance with that. And so I think it's sheer math. I mean, it's a percentage of cap. It's relative to a lot of those things.

That said, the bigger thing is, when is Connor McDavid going to make up his mind about whether to resign? Because I agree with you in the thought process that if he is staying in Edmonton, it's probably likely to be closer to a two or a three year deal. However, what happens if he remains unsigned after opening day next week? Because once that's off the table, Once that sort of, I'm doing this in air quotes, deadline goes and comes and goes. What else brings you back to the table?

October 21st is no different than February 17th, which is no different than March 30th. It's just another day on the NHL calendar. So if this gets passed next Tuesday, then what? Then when does this conversation pick up again and what's the impetus to do so other than potentially Connor McDavid picking his head off the pillow one day and saying, saying, yeah, I'd like to get something done. I would argue that February 17th and March 20th are different dates. You know, like, I don't know that there's a trade deadline in there as a thing that does affect some things in the NHL.

But I get your point here. What really moves the needle? Here's my question about a potential McDavid. Wait, hold on a second. I need to ask you about that. Why do you think the trade deadline should be factored in there? The Oilers aren't going to be trading Connor McDavid. Well, if they know he's not resigning, you think.

they just play him out for sure rather than Gratsky it and bring back a hall that won them a Stanley Cup in 89? I think so. I think you try and chase the glory to win a Stanley Cup with Connor McDavid and maybe him doing that and being successful is what ultimately ends up keeping him

in Edmonton. Yeah. That could be it. What happens if it's March and the Dallas stars offer you Rupé Hintz, Jason Robertson, and a first rounder? And a cottage in the Skoka. I'm not trading the best player on planet Earth

if he wants to move on his own volition. That's up to him. Yeah, fair enough. I do believe, yeah, you're right. And I think I would do the same thing, but I do think it's a relevant consideration. The one thing I want to know from you, Frank, is what would the NHLPA feel about Carrel Caprizov making a million and a half more

than McDavid per season? Would there be some frustration that McDavid would take less? I'm sure internally there would be. I don't think you're going to hear them publicly stumping for it. But if you think that the agents for these superstar players aren't getting phone calls from the NHLPA, trying to push them in that direction to earn as much as possible and set the new high watermark for the league, of course they are. But here's the thing. I think particularly with someone like Connor McDavid, just in the same as Sidney Crosby and the same as, you know, pick another top flight leader.

that goes in one ear and out the other. They could care less what someone in the NHLPA office in Toronto thinks about how he should manage his own business about trying to be part of the most competitive team possible. And so that's why I think this situation is so incredibly interesting moving forward because there's no way to predict or provide any degree of certainty if you're the Edminton Oilers. Connor McDavid wants to be on the most competitive team possible and how. have an authentic chance to win for every year in which he's signing a contract. You can hope and wish and pray and say that we're going to do everything we can to put the right team together. And that's a lot of what the same alternatives can be provided from other teams. But if he truly wants to be part of that, for him, that's also going to mean taking

less because of the Oilers current cap situation. So that doesn't matter what someone at the NHLPA saying thank you very much for the call, but we're going to move along and do what's best for us. You're watching and listening to Frank Sarvelli NHL Insider. Okay, so, but we can all agree that the NHLPA are celebrating Caprisov hitting a new historic height at $17 million on an AAV. What is this due to others who are just right behind him now? Like a Jack Eichael in Vegas, who is up for a new contract right now.

Does it make the likes of these guys, and I'll include Kail McCarre on his next go-around, Quinn Hughes, two years from now, does it make it a lot easier for them to say, yeah, yeah, okay, it's a little easier now to ask for 17, 18, 19 on an AAV. It makes it a lot easier for their agents to ask for that. But I think in the end, it comes down to a lot of the competitive structure and nature of your team. So look at Vegas. We know how they spend every last red cent every season. In fact, usually way over the cap with the benefit of LTIR and injuries, that they're going to go to Jack Eichel and say,

hey, by the way, you're a center and a Stanley Cup champion not to knock Caprizz off. He doesn't play a premium position. And so that's what makes this landmark deal all the more impressive for him to sign. We know he's got superstar talent and is the engine of the Minnesota Wild, but he's not a center. And so when you look at Eichel and the impact that he's had on the Golden Knights, plus the other advantages that they have with being a no state income tax state and also having played in this cap environment and structure previously, he's probably going to sit there and say, yeah, that inch. up my number a little bit or gives me increased ammo to have that conversation with my team.

But my alternative is if I want to seek a number upwards of that, I'm going to be doing it somewhere else. And we know that Jack Eichel just built a massive house in Vegas. He's not signing somewhere else. So they've got him. So it's probably going to end up in that 13, 13 and a half. Maybe this pushes it to 14 if you really get excited. But what this does do, I think is changes the dynamic for other players, particularly wingers, that are putting together or could put together massive seasons that it jumps them from 8 to 10 or it jumps them from 10 to 12. And the guys that I'm thinking of are players like a Marty Natchis, speaking of the Colorado Avalanche.

If he has another north of point per game season before this deal was signed, he was probably already looking at a $10 million Aav. now this probably ratchets that up a little bit so if he goes out and has that 90-point year look out because I've already said it the abs are right back in the same spot that they were with Miko Rantanin now with a guy who's not as good as Miko Rantanin. Oh my God, that is so terrible.

They could have had Miko probably for a little north of 12, 12. That's an all-time decision. They probably could have squeezed and got him for 11 and a half. I agree. Oh, no, no, no. Frank's 100%. Correct. Now you're pardon

Marty you paid NACIS Marner money. Yeah, anyways, that's water under the bridge. Water under the fridge. So looking at this contract, it's a weird structure, and maybe not weird,

but just a million salary each year, massive bonuses. Is that purely just to keep it buyoutable? Not buyoutable? So buyout proof is one. And as we've had the discussion with deferred money, Justin, the time value of money

getting your hands on as much money as you can, as quickly as you can, pays significant dividends over the course of the contract. So that's another reason why the wild, they took an interesting step, kind of putting that massive deal on the table eight times 16 that was rejected a few weeks ago. Time was on their side. When you think about all of the changes that have occurred in the CBA, if Caprizov wanted to wait until the summertime, even remaining in in Minnesota, it's one less year that he could have resigned for, seven as opposed to eight. He goes to the open market at six instead of seven. But then think about the other changes that are not insignificant for players.

No deferred money starting next Tuesday, which isn't part of this deal, but the signing bonus is limited and the ability to front load the contract is also limited. So the best offer that Caprizov was going to get from the wild was this one right here in structuring it the way that he wanted to and the timing of it all to be able to have that complete freedom and flexibility to do it. Other than the signing here,

has it been relatively quiet for you, even throughout the summer, Frank, as an NHL insider? This summer was particularly quiet, but it is already starting to heat up, Kipper. Obviously, of course, Carter Hart and the other five players,

the other four players who are acquitted in the Hockey Canada sexual assault case, they can sign tomorrow. And I would expect Carter Hart to land a deal perhaps as soon as tomorrow. The frontrunner would be the Vegas Golden Knights. And I would say that outside of that, there's already some roster shuffling. I think the Chicago Blackhawks have been taking calls in recent days on a first round talent in Lucas Reichel who just seems to be on the outside looking in. Like you're starting to see some of these other little things start.

to percolate as we get close to rosters being submitted and the cap beginning formally next Monday. I think we all can feel that a Carter heart signing is imminent somewhere. Doesn't appear to be in Canada.

But is he in a position at least for some teams south of the border to maybe even create a bit of a bidding war because goaltending is so tough to come by now or is this going to be a deal that we see that will kind of reflect on maybe, you know, the second

chance at a career that obviously he's very thankful for? I think the answer to that you're going to see reflected somewhere in the middle. My understanding is that this is likely to be a two-year deal. It's definitely not for league minimum, but it's probably not going to stretch as high as like three and a half to four million a year so ballpark that's probably somewhere in the twos would be eligible to sign an extension as soon as July 1st once he gets his feet wet and back playing again and as mentioned I think the Vegas Golden Knights are the clear frontrunner here I'm not saying it's a done deal but I think they're well down the track and having been able

to have those conversations that this seems like a pretty likely bet are there any other pairings from that group that you see out there in terms of team and player? Yeah, I think the Carolina Hurricanes have spent a long time doing due diligence on Michael McLeod. I don't think they're alone. I think there are other teams that have been in the mix as well. But they are one team that I think had also expressed some initial interest in Carter Hart, but found the price to be too expensive for what they were willing to pay.

But they've spent a long time on the McLeod file. and I think that's also a real possibility. Are the team south of the border less worrisome on the backlash of these players like other teams in Canada would feel? It's tough to answer because I think each individual organization has its own set of how they view this. That said, I mean, look, here's the truth. And it's the truth that some people have not liked to hear, which is these players were all acquitted of criminal wrongdoing.

You can make whatever statement you want about the morality of their behavior. That's not for me to make a call on, but the NHL did specifically, which is why they are suspended until December 1st. But the other truth is even for people that are convicted and spend time in jail, when they get out, you have the right and ability to earn a living. And so these players who were not convicted and were acquitted of all charges, they retain that same right, which is to go earn a living, which is why in this case for probably two of the five players, they will likely find themselves back in the NHL at some point in time relatively soon. Are you good on that topic? Just before we let you go, Frank, we know we cover the Toronto Maple Leafs here in our first hour of the show once we get to two hours a day.

any news on the leafs joseph wool has been away there's four forwards that it's not clear if they're going to be sticking around any thoughts on what's going on with the maple leafs i think it's been a lot of plug and play like let's see what works let's try different things obviously the joe wall situation is certainly of concern i've you know not pride and and have certainly respected his and his family's privacy with whatever's going on and I think it's presented an interesting spot. Obviously, everyone's enjoyed the story of James Reimer coming in and the Anthony Stolars extension comes at a really important time and also, frankly, at an important number that should age really well. But I think this Maple Leaf's, you know, next six weeks

is really going to be all about finding themselves and what is their identity and the new normal for this team because it is going to look and feel different. The question is how much? All right, Frank, great stuff, as always, man. When you come on our show, we so appreciate your time. Thanks for doing this. Thanks, guys.

Have a good one. Thanks, Frank. He said six weeks for the lease. I probably have it about three or four weeks. To figure what they are? Not to figure out what they are. To see what kind of look they truly have to start. And what are the challenges and what are the potential pitfalls,

which right now is goaltending for me. It's crazy because, like, they're decrees. core is rock solid veterans that you really trust and they have a good bottom six we know they have some top end scoring it's like should be good oh yeah goalie yeah james driver may be starting four games in october yeah so going into the season i don't think we are you sure he's had any concern that the right guy here absolutely right so that's just that's another question here is that we assume he's going to have to play one of two games coming up Thursday and Saturday against Detroit.

Respectfully to Rimer, it's like Matt Murray to me that they've had where it's like, it's a name people know and he's had decent seasons, but it just feels like it's not,

the bottom's going to come out. The ceiling is so low and the floor's also low. Can I say though that coming out of the shoot for the Leafs, it's not exactly a murderous schedule. Actually, their October is really soft.

It's, I mean, I could go through it. It's Habs, it's Habs, Red Wins back to back, and then it's, It's two middle-packed teams, right, 10th to 20th? Predators, Rangers, Crackin, Devils, two against the Sabers, Flames, and then Columbus.

So, like, even if you think those teams are good, it's not Vegas, Dallas, Colorado, you know, everything's good in the East. The important question is, even if you look at the first two games, how many, you want Stolars to play seven? Yeah. of the first what yeah of the first 10 out of the first 15 you have them playing 12 first back to back his game's four and five yeah he plays the first four and then home Detroit Nashville

listen I like Frank said we wish wall the best here but I don't have him coming back any time soon the thing about the way for family reasons is like if he had a family member pass away or something you assume that would be and you never know people handle these differently different relationships it's it's some time but that would be like okay he's skating he's able to skate and train and whatever and when he comes back he'd be a goalie i don't know what's they don't i assume they know at this point but we don't know if he's able to come back and play yeah listen there's three bits of information we're only going by what we hear what we get to right just trying to figure out if they need to

a goalie or not. So, I don't know if training camp was a day or two in, and then they had them out with illness. That was what the original report. Well, the original thing, at least PR tweet was. This is, this is us speculating, right? We're allowed to do that, right? Without prying or without, are we allowed to speculate?

Don't look at me. We're trying to figure. You're a producer. We're trying to figure out. You've been on air for 25 years, Hockey Night in Canada, buddy. You go with what you want to say. Produce. We don't.

I don't care why, but we need to figure out hockey wise. What is illness mean to you? How about that? I don't know. I'll tell you, flu, you know, virus. That could be mental health. I mean, it's also the thing that you would put in there if you're trying to not be forthcoming with the public

in terms of what is actually happening. Because if you say lower body, then it seems like, oh my God, it's panic mode. Illness is the thing that buys you a couple days before you put out a statement that a guy's away. from the team that's what it comes off then it then it went to family matter to your point is that now we generally got to feel and this is all to pertain on trying to have a projection on on on when you could possibly see him come back if you need to trade for a goal or not and whether

you need so it's it's relevant for us to discuss presumably they know they got that's all the so so you know there is a suggestion that that he's not he's particularly fine mentally and physically if it's a family matter they've kind of led to it maybe being someone in his immediate family that he's dealing with and to justin's point then i think lee fans could feel a lot better if at least they knew physically and mentally he's fine and he can keep up his fitness he can go on the ice he can be ready when when he was turns. Yeah, we're just not going to get that. No, we're not. But, you know, but they, they volunteered that it wasn't substance abuse. Like, nobody asked them.

They volunteered that. And it was important for them to make sure that no one thought that he was in any program at all or substance abuse, which wouldn't, I mean, that was volunteered. So. So he's back sometimes, yeah. Right? We hope he's back sometimes soon. Really hoping for it.

But if he's not, there's a good goal. There's a real early question here is How much better does it get from here on end With James Reimer And do you give James Reimer two weeks To prove that he can still be an NHL caliber goalie But don't you also Let's say you've got three back to backs

There's four back to backs on October I think it's three So You gotta give Hill to be a start Yeah You know like I understand that you want him to play Mostly at the Marley's But he played six games

It's not ideal It's not ideal but if he Tuesday night against the Preds at home has never been more of a hill to be started. If he shows well in one start, you're okay to give him a second one. And he's had a couple of decent games

out of the six he started, so we should go. Get to Yorkie. All right. See, now you're producing. Yeah, but... Yeah. Now you're producing. You're the worst.

How long are you? Sammy, I still love you, but... Okay, let's take a quick break. We return, Yorkie, Jason York. We'll join us for the first time of this season on the Real Kippur and Bourne show. Back after these words. Everything you need to know about the Blue Jays, Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the program.

The Kippreel's Justin Bourne. Sammy McKee. all right he's here Jason York joining us hooray love it Yorkie what's going on buddy did I just hear hooray borny

hooray you know what I actually said hooray and then realized it sounded sarcastic hooray Yorkie's here but I meant it I was sincere another season for us bud did you come to training camp in good shape

I see I can see through our Zoom call that you got some good color like you look like you're ready to to play I've had like 55 rounds of golf this summer, but I just had my first ice time today with my Tuesday group. We play at 1 o'clock, Delude Arena here in Ottawa, and oh boy,

I had to get in my cold tub out. I had to do a five-minute cold plunge after. The body's not bouncing back like it used to, boys. Once again, coming in Hot the Sense podcast for another season, pal. You got it, Kipper. I'll also be doing some Calgary Flames games this year for SportsNets, so fired up about that. Cool.

Yeah, no, it's going to be a fun year. Yeah, no, it's going to be a fun year back on the road. Will the Sends make it easier for you because winning does that? You know, I'm bullish on Ottawa, but like every other team in the league, it's going to come down to goaltending, right? And this is my one question mark with Ottawa. I think Linus Allmark is a terrific, terrific goaltender. But, but there's a but. Well, he's yet to play over 49 games, can he?

Sounds like a familiar conversation here in Toronto. But it was, I get it, in Boston, it was a different situation. He had two really good goalies. It's a different situation in Ottawa. In saying that, Marilyn in, I think he's a really good young goaltender. So like every team in the NHL, there's always a butt. Nobody knows for a certain. Do I think Omar can play over 50?

I do. But he's going to have to stay healthy. And if he does stay healthy, I think the Sands are going to be a really good team this year. He's got some Briss Galov to him with his like, yeah, I had a terrible summer. And it's like, don't say that. Don't say that. I had, listen, I had Briz when he was, I think it was his first or second training camp in Anaheim. Do you know what his first order of?

business was when he signed his first contract. This is hilarious. Did he buy a star? He bought a purple, I believe it was a purple Lamborghini. Check. It's like if you gave my nine-year-old that money. A hell of an investment. You know what, though?

The car market, I guess, is a good investment. Now, like, people are buying these Ferraris and stuff, and they sell them a couple years for more money. So, if you got the cash. I certainly didn't. As far as the roster is concerned, I mean, we've seen over the course of the last, you know, what, five, six years of the buildup going back to, you know, Pierre Dorian, all these first rounders, all these kids now that are become the leaders and the high ticket items here. Is this team now in a place where a training camp can't really, can you win a job training camp? or is the roster pretty much set here? I think there's one interesting storyline in Ottawa's training camp.

Yakum Chuck. There you go. Okay. So he was planned to be in Belleville, but is he making noise to start? Well, Kipper, nobody knows right now if Nick Jensen is going to start the season. He's a right shot D.

So maybe by a subtraction here, it's almost like the perfect storm for Yakimchuk. So he has a good finish to training camp here. I think there's an opportunity for him to start the year with Ottawa. If you remember, he was really good last year in Ottawa's camp. He had a couple highlight goals, went

back for a year junior, worked on his defensive games. So I think he'll get some games to start. I don't foresee Jensen starting the season. He could, but if he doesn't, I think it's a good opportunity for Yakum check. And we'll see. He's a big right-shot D with tons of

skill. And, you know, worst case, he goes to probably, I should say best case, because I think it's a good thing for you to go down and spend some time in the minors. David Bell, who's the coach down there, is a terrific guy at developing young talents. So he'll be in good hands there. But I got a feeling he's going to start the year with Ottawa.

How about Spence? Where does he fit in on the back end? Oh, I like him, Borny. Yeah, yeah. He is, I think he's a terrific player. I know he's undersized. And you look in L.A. Kenny Holland's not a big fan of small to eat.

but I think I think he's a good fit for what Ottawa needs you can move them up in your lineup you can move them back in your lineup he'll probably settle in on the third pair eventually but he moves the puck really well he's for a small guy he doesn't play small but I've been really impressed with him and apparently he's a great guy in the room too and who doesn't love a guy that's good in the room

we had him on the podcast and he was just a terrific personality And I think that move is going to be a sneaky get under the radar move. We're talking to Jason York, former national hockey leaguer, and now current host of coming in Hot the Sense podcast. So when we discuss Montreal, there are a team, obviously, that found a way to make the playoffs and get in there now. But there's some people that believe that they may not make the playoffs this year. Is Ottawa beyond that that they are now,

next step is to challenge the likes of the Leafs, Tampa, Florida, minus Barkov now for 82 games? They're the benchmark, right, Florida? So that's the team everybody wants to be like that's the team that everybody wants is going to compare themselves as what do they call those, those measuring stick games. I think absolutely they need to be a playoff team this year. And I think if you talk to anybody on the team, Steve Steyos, Dave Poulin, right up to ownership with Michael Andlauer, they see themselves as being ready to win around.

Are they ready to compete for the Stanley Cup? Well, I don't know the answer to that. Like, it's one step at a time. But I think the next step in the process here is getting to the playoffs and winning around. So, yeah, I think they're ready to compete with the lakes of Toronto, with the likes of Tampa. Florida's a different beast.

Like, they're just, you look at that team, there's no weaknesses. And once they get everybody healthy, But, you know, I mentioned goaltending, but if you look at the other thing with Ottawa, I'm down the middle. Like, your young center's got, I think that playoff series with Toronto will do wonders for them, especially a guy like Pinto. Shane Pinto, I think, is going to have a real nice year, getting named to the, you know, that summer invitational camp with the U.S. Olympic team.

I think that's going to do wonders for his confidence. And I think a full training camp for Dylan Cousins is going to help him a lot. You know, Kipper, when you get traded, you get parachuted in there. It's sometimes tough to get acclimated and get everything figured out. So I think, you know, I heard he's in really good shape. He's got a good camp. So I think they're counting on him and have a really good start to the season. You know, one thing, they're going to need him and need him to score a little bit.

If you look at five-on-five goal scoring last year, tops in the NHL is 201 goals, surprisingly, Columbus. But there's Washington, Tampa, Vegas, Dallas. Those teams are up there. was 31st last year, scored 139, 5-on-5 goals. Where are they going to generate more offense from? Well, that's the big topic. They need to score more 5-on-5.

I think it just comes from guys getting a little older, a little more mature. Internal development. And I'll name a guy here for you, Zetterland. Zetterland's going to get a massive opportunity playing in a top six role. If he can somehow get to 25, maybe 30 goals, I think that's going to help out. Because they need some more guys. It can't be Stutzler. It can't be Kachuk all the time.

So you need that secondary guys, like a Cousins. And a Zetterland, tell you, if I was picking late in a hockey pool, I'd have my eye on that guy because he's going to get an incredible opportunity, probably playing with a Tim Stutzler or a Dylan Cousins. He's going to see some power play time. So that's the guy I've got circled to help out with the goal scoring. When you see a roster like this that might be on the cusp of playing with the big boys in the Eastern Conference, and every single one of them, at least of significance from Stittsla to Jake Sanderson, have multi-year deals roughly around $8 million.

Is there a new appreciation for this roster and these contracts, when you saw what happened in Minnesota today with Caprisov at 17. How about how about Connor right now? Just licking his job. They were licking long before that. I can't believe. Hey, he's an exciting player to watch. But yeah, you look at guys.

Like, did we ever think we look at guys and say eight millions of bargain a season? Like, it's crazy. It's crazy. But, hey, we never think. does that mean but but but but uh but here we are um so yeah i i i i think stutz's contract's on a nice contract sanderson's on a real nice deal too fellas and he's uh he's he's just coming real close to being that guy you know justin and i watched hudson saturday night playing an exhibition game a meaningless game and this player this

guy just owned the ice and you know Jake Sanderson at times has shown flashes and he may need another year or two before he but he does have that type of potential of being

a special defenseman the thing that I really admire about Sanderson Kipper is he actually takes more pleasure in defending and trying to shut down the other team's top player versus scoring.

Like that's, that's, that's hard to find in today's player. Like, he, he relishes that role. So, like, yeah, I, I, I think Elaine Hudson's a terrific, terrific player. But I think those two guys are different players. They're built differently. Like, Sanderson, sure, he can go over some offense. He's on the first power play. But I think what impresses me about his game is how he defends.

Like, he just takes away time and space so quickly. He wins loose puck battles. He wins 50-50s all the time. like borney i don't know what the analytics on sanderson are but like i just the eye test when i watch him yeah there's so many little things in his game i've heard you gush about him before i know you're a big fan like i just i just think he's the real deal we i remember we talked about him a couple years right on this show yeah i i think he's going to win a norris trophy i don't know if it's going to be this year but how many guys in the league can score have skill and can

the fan. There's not many, but he's one of them. York, you're looking forward to a great year with you all season long, man. Thanks for doing this. Any time, fellas. We'll catch up. That is Jason. I appreciate it. 750 games in the National Hockey League. Ottawa Senators,

man, they're interesting. Are they over 82 games, are they going to be a team that is up with the big boys, i.e. Florida, Tampa Bay, Toronto should be there too. or are they going to be in the mix to fight with the Montreal Canadiens and the Buffalo Sabres and the Detroit Red Wings?

It's a great question. I think, you know, when you asked him that question, he was like, it depends on their goaltending. And I think that's right. I think they probably will be in the upper piece of the division. You know, it was one of the first things he said coming out of the gate is the goaltending. And I'm like, isn't that what 8.25 was supposed to do when you signed Allmark is not have that as the first question into the season

is what kind of goal tending are we going to get? You hear his call? He said, like, I had a terrible summer. You know, just save it. And I'll work on it, you know, next summer on having a better one. And then he's like, I've had a bad camp. And then they played the Leafs and was terrible. Just a true goalie in every...

Stop talking. In every way. I'm most... They're strange. The thing I'm most excited for of the Ottawa Senator season is January 10th at the Canadian Tire Center against the Florida Panthers, Stanley Cup defending champions, huge night.

Ridley Greg Bottlehead Night when the franchise's biggest moment is just, you know, they bring it out there, the biggest moment in franchise history, when he cross-checked, when Morgan Riley crossed checked him in the face. And they made, yeah, because he slapsured into an empty net

and it pissed off Morgan Riley. And they had to make a, they had to make a bobblehead about it so they could remember it forever. Of course it looked like. I think it's him winding up on an empty net, I think is the, It's pretty fine. They're immortalizing right before he just absolutely wore one across the chops.

If you'll remember, they're actually commemorizing the tournament. What did I say? Commemorizing? Commemorizing, whatever. It's a little bit of a rickieism. Commemorating the turnaround of the 2023 Toronto Maple Leafs. Yeah, they were on fire after that. Horrible.

Horrible. Like we were talking about them potentially missing the playoffs. And I believe they won seven in a row and nine of ten after that. So commemorating that and it's really nice to that franchise. they can celebrate such huge wonderful moments that they've had in their franchise history. Certainly can't celebrate any playoff wins against the Leafs. That hasn't happened.

Can we expect you to be on our show tomorrow or Thursday or are you going to be down at the Rogers? Oh, yeah, right. For the Jay's, what are they doing? They don't play another weekend, I thought. So they don't play into the weekend, you're right? But they're having, so tomorrow, today's Tuesday, right? Tuesday?

Yeah, and then. Tomorrow's Wednesday. Tomorrow's Wednesday. Wednesday and Tuesday. Today is Tuesday. Today is Tuesday today. I told you. I don't know days.

So Wednesday and Thursday, because they're off for five days, the Jays are having like an inner squad game that you can go to. So like they're opening up the door. I think tickets are 10 bucks. 10 bucks to go watch the chase. So I was doing some Googling when you guys were talking to. That's a steal. Yeah.

Like I think on ticket mastery had to go on like maybe in slash intrasquad game or something on the if you want to buy tickets you go down there they're serving beer go down and watch teams play baseball just recline put your feet over the seat in frontia and watch i mean it's still professional level baseball players doing baseball activities presumably they'll be trying send those positive vibes and listen the dome will be open the weather this week supposed to be fantastic i mean i wonder if we'll get 10 000 people to go i hope so i mean what better way to sort of a cool thing if they win the world series be like i was there in the inner squad days but like you know what better way to go and just kind of show your appreciation

for a sixth season like Saturday is going to be a knife's edge like tickets are expensive everybody's tents you're not having fun anymore there's not one moment that you're enjoying it for a moment oh yeah me too I want the Yankees the Yankees don't have Garrett Crochet and the Red Sox do that's the biggest difference for me my only fear is that we as a city have collectively talked so much smack about the Yankees through the media for sure that like we've now won we finished ahead of them I want to see Aaron Judd I love him too. He is a renowned playoff choker, so we hope that that happens. I don't care. He can choke, but

I still love him. He's a step. He's just better playoff last year. He's a bit better. He's a fun guy to watch. He was a bit better last year. For sure. That's can't miss television. Him is Stanton back to back are the monster. Striking, even if he strikes out, it's kind of like fun to watch. But you're right. Like the Red Sox lineup, they don't have that. They don't have the best hitter in the world. No. But they do have the Jay's number. They do. Anyways,

should be fun. Do we leave anything for Blair and Barker to talk about? We've been a bit of a J's cast so far at our early days. Our thanks to Frank Saravelli for joining us at the top and of course Jason York. What do we got on

tap tonight? A bunch of exhibition games? Are they still playing those? There's baseball on tonight. No, no, I'm just saying, though, do we still have NHLS exhibition games? You and I are working one Thursday. Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me. Are you still doing your prep for that? Thanks for reminding me. You can watch Yankees and Red So

of course. We know that. Well, it's a big one. All right. Faces us and then, yes. Thanks for joining us, everybody. If you get a chance, give us a like on YouTube.