Real Kyper & Bourne - Keeping Adam Lowry Long-Term with Kevin Cheveldayoff

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Former NHLer and executive VP & general manager of the Winnipeg Jets Kevin Cheveldayoff (3:36) joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to chat about how longtime Chicago Blackhawk Jonathan Toews has acclimated himself on his hometown team, how he would compare his hockey club's 2024-25 year to this season, if Mark Scheifele could crack Team Canada, extending Adam Lowry's contract, and the state of the trade market. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee touch on the Edmonton Oilers' continuing horror movie and question the timeline in the Buffalo Sabres' rebuild. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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If you can't catch us live, give us a download, Spotify, Apple Podcast, and YouTube. This hour of Real Kipprin-Borne brought to you by Bet365, Kevin Shevold-Dayoff, executive vice president general manager of the winnipeg jets will join us soon you were on the national program last night the edmonton oilers we just finished a leaf edition yeah we get accused a little bit of being a little doom and gloom sometimes but i don't know if the edmonton orler fans feel much better these days buddy they stink oh wow listen there's not an oiler fan watching this who didn't just go

Yeah, if you're watching, like, I'm not saying they are a bad team that can't make playoffs, they can't contend that they're hopeless, but their defensive effort right now is brutal. Sammy, what is that thing you sent us with the stats? Oh, it's all last. Yeah, so right now in goals against, they're 32nd in the league. In 5 on 5 goals against, 30 second. And team save percentage. 32nd.

Like, if I don't get to say they stink, when they're last and everything defensive, when do I get to say it? They stink right now. I was interested for a temperature check, so I sent a little tweet last night about how Oilers fans are feeling like, you know, the slow start that I love to chirp

and how we have to talk about having a slow start and then pulling out of it, I'm wondering if they are worried that they are not just having a slow start anymore. And I would say the consensus is there is some grave concern about the way that this is looking. And we talked about it, before this road trip started,

they always struggle on this eastern road trip. They've always had a hard time on this eastern road trip. They've gone, I think the last couple of years, one and four, like they've had a tough go on it. But did you send me a clip of the coaching staff around a table and,

uh, they were forecasting this trip. And, uh, coach Knoblock mentioned, oh, it's going to be a brutal trip. We'll kind of get in there at like 3.30 in the morning.

Oh, did he say, is that, he kind of forecasted. He was like, Is this AI or is this? No, I don't know. Because I'm getting tricked. I'm getting tricked every day, boys.

So I don't know. But it's getting crazy, how real it is. It is really uncomfortable. It's, you know, not to get too much into this, but like I'm feeling like my mom and dad now said and stuff. I'm like, look how funny this is. And they're like, that's AI. I sent you on the other day. My nine-year-old kid, I liked it so much.

I sent it to my kid who has his iPad. And he's like, dad, that's AI. No. I actually got really defensive about it. You think everything's AI. Because there was the Santa thing blowing away, and it was so funny. I'm a, God, I'm old. Kevin, shoveled a off.

Please save me from this AI conversation, please. Is this really me or is this AI? You guys don't know. That's a great point. Depends what comes out of your mouth in the next 10 seconds. If anything interesting comes out of my mouth, then you know it's AI. Thanks for. joining us.

It's been a while, but overall, you know, a bit of a different feel with your hockey club. I think first and foremost, Jonathan Taves, central part of, you know, the modern day hockey world, one of the best hockey players, you know, top 100. How much of a change has he, have you seen on the ice and behind the scenes in the first 20 games? Well, yeah, you know, there are a lot of things,

Obviously for, you know, every team, you know, thinks that it's just going to be smooth sailing, you know, from training camp on. But, you know, the reality is, is we have some guys that are, you're integrating. We had some injuries right off the hop there that, you know, forced, you know, some different things to unfold. But, you know, like all things, I think, you know, you find some silver linings, you know, you find some players that maybe, you know, get to play a little bit of a different role and see how they react. And in some cases, it gives you opportunities and in some cases, you know, it solidifies things in other directions and lets you know, you know, where you have to, you know, kind of work. So, you know, again, for us, I think, you know, more so, you know,

with maybe stylistic of play, I think, you know, we certainly, I think, need to tighten things up a little bit on our side and get back to that identity that we had, you know, for a good part of 82 games. you know last year what but it's a hard identity to you know to kind of do on a on a nightly basis but you know rest assured for us you know we we we're going to have to keep chipping away and just keep on trying to find a way to you know to to continue down a good solid path in a very very very competitive environment right now yeah you guys that's central division man that is a tough one obviously you guys are very familiar with it one of the things that you did this

off season was bringing Jonathan Taves, right? That's a guy who's got experience going through tough teams. How have early returns been? How has his progress looked from day one? Yeah, great. You know, for us, obviously, you know, getting JT is something I think we'll continue to pay, you know, greater and greater and greater dividends as time goes on. You know, we really wanted to make a concerted effort just to let him be him and come in

and find his game and, you know, not have any kind of expectations. patience that, you know, that are unfairly put on him. You know, obviously we've got a real strong core group of leaders in our room. And, you know, he, you know, he made a point right when we signed of saying, you know, I just want to come in and be a part of this group. Like he, you know, so we've, you know, the kudos to the guys and kudos to JT. They're all finding, you know, kind of learning from each other as they continue to, you know, to go and grow.

And, you know, we're, you know, 20 games in, everyone says it's still a good, you know, it's a start, it's a good start or whatever kind of start, but, you know, 20 turns to 40, turns to 60 pretty quickly in this league. Although, you know, it is interesting. We're talking about it the other day. It's almost like there's going to be two seasons this year. You know, you've got the pre-Olympic and post-Olympic where, you know, having a break that long. And you kind of wonder, you know, what does that do to guys' mindsets right now? Like, you know, are they thinking about, you know, like it in those terms? I don't know.

But, you know, again, it's a unique season in a lot of fronts. You know, no question that any hockey club you want to accumulate as many wins as you can. You want to, there's no timing of anything. You just go out there, you play as hard as you can. You try to win. But, you know, chasing a president's trophy or getting prepared to play your best at the right time. Like, where are you guys on that mindset now? because, you know, you look at your record and it's okay,

but it's not earth-shattering. It's not establishing you guys as necessarily a top team out of the gate, like Colorado. But, you know, overall, how do you compare it for last season to this season? And again, trying to play your best hockey when it matters most in April. Yeah. So, you know, last year it was interesting because, you know, we never, you know, obviously you start a season, you make the jokes about, you know,

well, you're not going to go 82 and O. Well, you know, at one point, you know, you started thinking, while, geez, like, look how good this is going, you know. But we didn't fall into that trap last year of saying, like, well, you know, it's President's trophy or bust, you know, with respect to how we, you know, played on a nightly basis or managed our roster, sort of speak, and that. And similarly right now, like, you know, like we didn't have a great road trip. You know, we went two and four on the road.

And certainly, you know, the mood was, you know, it's not great. But I mean, you know, you have to put things into perspective and, you know, you have to kind of like, I don't know, like live day to day. But I think you have to, you know, approach it in that fashion, you know, and then, you know, see how some things go. But, you know, you don't know what the future is when it comes to injuries, to, you know, those type of situations are obviously things that, you know, you have to manage. and like I say, you have to look at it as opportunities for other guys to step up and see where you're at within your organization. Chevy, one of the most important pieces for you guys, Mark Schifley, obviously has some thoughts about Team Canada, right?

Like, I mean, this guy is now, I think he's top five in scoring. Is this to you like a no-brainer this guy should be there sort of thing? Well, you know, I'm biased, obviously. He's someone that, again, I look at our organization and I look at I look at the day where it could have, you know, could have forked in two different directions. And that was the day that Scheif and Helly agreed to, you know, to extend and commit with us, you know, long term. And, you know, I think, you know, it's interesting because it's kind of like, you know, whether it's Canada or whether it's, you know, just our game, you know, we tend to, you know, beat up on our own people more than, you know, than not. And, like, you know, there's no perfect players.

And obviously, you know, there's the upper, upper upper echelons like the Connor McDavid's. But, you know, like we've had a lot of, you know, success. Obviously, we haven't won a cup and haven't gotten to the point in time in the playoffs. But one thing has been constant is Mark Sheifley's been our, you know, our driver number one center for a long period of time. And you don't, you know, you don't do what we did last year. Yeah, you got Helly for sure. And, you know, you got JMO and the group of guys on defense. And, you know, you got, you know, Kyle Conner.

You know, you need that center driver, and Mark has been that. So I hope for him, you know, he gets strong considerations. You know, he can play the wing. He can play center. You know, he's made massive improvements, you know, on his face off this year. Like, you know, little things that, that I hope, you know, get noticed by, you know, by the hockey management. And you got a captain who's staring at a five-year deal now, sign sealed and delivered. Oh, Chevy sounded like a real drawn-out, like every last nickel battle.

Like, you, you must have had this one tucked away in your desk, like, middle of June. Yeah, no, you know, so honestly how this kind of all unfolded is, you know, obviously Adam went through hip surgery and, you know, and I don't say that factored into it, but, you know, we, you know, obviously the Kyle Connor, you know, contract, you know, took, you know, a great deal of attention, but, you know, certainly made it well known, you know, from the onset that, you know, Adam was a priority for us and that we wanted to, you know, make him, you know, a jet for life, you know, and when we really started to get into the meeting negotiation, really what took so long, I think, was just literally some logistics, like both,

you know, the agent was traveling, we're traveling, you're doing some different things. But, you know, it was actually, it was a great night out. It's great, great that we were able to get him signed, but we had our True North Youth Foundation gala, you know, yesterday. And, you know, obviously he's the captain of our team on the ice, but off the ice, he, he, he, he, He's just an exceptional person in the community, does so much, you know, from, from that standpoint and a big supporter of the foundation. So it was great to be able to have, you know, that announcement happen in front of, you know, a thousand people that were there supporting our charity. That is really cool. You know, I wanted to ask you a little bit about just looking around this year.

So we've mentioned a number of the great players you guys have. The league around you. So you guys did the L.A. or sorry, the California trip this year. It kind of got you. It feels like there were some years where it was really hard that California trip and then not so much. Are we back to that being a much harder road trip? Well, you know, it's interesting. I think it actually, you know, excites you in some respects, you know, the fan inside of you to see, you know, some of those young players doing the things that they're doing.

And it kind of renews, you know, your love of the game to see young talented players. now, you know, it turns your hair much more gray that you've got to compete against them and stuff like that. So, you know, again, I applaud those, those managements of those franchises that, you know, have gone, you know, through the difficult process of trying to, you know, rebuild and that because it's, there's, there's no magic, magic elixir and you got to get lucky along the way a little bit that you're, that the talent that is there for you to pick is, is real. and there's some real players there. You know, we cover a lot, obviously, here in Toronto in the Atlantic Division, and we've waited a while now for the likes of a Detroit and the Montreal and Ottawa to push some of the teams

that we've seen in the past. Is that happening a little bit with, like, Utah and Chicago and, you know, the challenges that even your team has now moving forward? Well, I think it's interesting, you know, and every team goes through an evolution. You know, and I guess I just, you know, can only speak from internally. Like when we were, you know, it was interesting when we were going through a period of time. And we never really, you know, necessarily bottomed out.

But, you know, we had, you know, some players in the, you know, kind of under the top 10, you know, like sevens or eights or sixes, you know, whatever coming into the lineup. And, you know, you're giving them chances to play. But there's not necessarily those high, high expectations on them and on your team yet. It's like, oh, well, you're young, you know, and oh, geez, you're exciting. The interesting part about the National Hockey League is, and players, you know, is what happens when there is pressure and when there is expectations. And, you know, that's always the hard part with young players. You know, every young player wants to get there so fast and, you know, we keep telling them all the time. It's not about getting there fast.

It's about staying here long. And, you know, you don't want to get chewed up and spit out, you know, in the National Hockey League. And so expectations are probably the next thing that all these teams, you know, that are getting better are going to have to face. Yeah. You know, one of the things that's interesting, you know, some parallels with the Leafs and the Jets

and, you know, expectations year over year is, you know, both teams top of their divisions last year. Both teams lost a pretty good player in the off season. Leafs struggling to replace Mitch Marner. How are you guys finding the absence of Nick Euler's? Yeah, you know, again, you don't replace, you know, necessarily those guys. They have individual skill sets, you know,

and, you know, they've been with your organization, you know, from both cases from, you know, draft to develop. And, you know, obviously, you know, they give you the best years of their career, sort of speak, and the prime, you know, of them. And, you know, you're fortunate to have had them. But, you know, that being said, you know, you hope you position yourself in the organization

to have some young players, you know, that are pushing. It is harder, you know, when you're like in our case here like we're you know we're a little bit of a victim at times of all the picks we've traded and and the different things like that that you know sound great at the time when you're at the trade deadline and everyone says go all in go all in and you're like yeah oh boy you know so um you know again there's there's there's there's there's costs in this game it's not just um salary cap costs you got to have a pipeline too So, you know, hopefully in our case here, we signed a couple of, you know, we signed a couple of guys, you know, to shorter-term deals, see if they're, you know, maybe fits or longer-term fits.

And hopefully our young guys can continue to try to push to make a case for themselves. You're watching and listening to Kevin Cheveldeoff, Executive Vice President and General Manager of the Winnipeg Jets. Okay, you mentioned trade deadline. Give us, give us a sense because you are right in the thick of things. you're making calls like in any other team what you might think you need now or down the road but what are those calls like right now because a few things have shifted with the salary cap

and there's a different dynamic come playoff time where you can't hide money so what is it like out there on a daily basis for you and these calls is there real traction or is it like a stock market that isn't moving Yeah, this year is maybe a little bit even more different than it is normally because you've got so many teams that are, you know, in, you know, not above the line, but like close to above the line, you know, so there's there's not a lot of people that are, you know, going to be waving the white flag at 20 games and saying, okay, uncle. But, you know, also I think what you're seeing, though, too, is, is, you know, lots of players getting locked up. Like, obviously, you know, you take care of your UFA business. And that kind of affects the trade deadline as well. You know, it's kind of, you know, not a zero-sum game, but once, you know, once someone's off the market, you know,

they're off the market, you know. So, you know, again, it all takes on its own life. You know, you have, you'll start to have, you know, maybe more pointed scouting meetings, you know, as they get into the game 30s maybe and, you know, start to see where, you know, the wheat and the chat. might start to be sifting each other out. And just your team, is like anything you could tell us that you might be, you know,

I could use a little of that? Well, like I say, Perfetti, you know, is just like several games in. Sandberg's just several games in. Laos is, I think, what, seven games, six, seven games in. You know, again, when you're, I guess, put your team up on the board going into training camp when everybody's healthy and no one's lost the game. And, you know, you kind of envision how some things, you know, unfold. And, you know, through injury, we haven't been able to do that.

So hopefully we get a chance to, you know, evaluate our group as a group and then go from there. How do you feel about the Olympics and what it's done to the schedule? You got a couple guys that are likely to go. The guys are getting injured a bit more around the league. Do you like it? Yeah. Well, you know, again, it's, you know, there's definitely, you know, you're a sense. of nervousness, I think, when you have players on those type of teams.

I think, you know, again, there's a level of, I guess, the fan in you that you're really excited for those players because, you know, that's an exciting, you know, time. But from a business standpoint, it can be a nerve-wracking thing for sure. One more question. You know, we were talking earlier about these sites that hit that, I guess, American League American Thanksgiving on where you are on the side

of percentages and making the playoffs and not you got your own stats. You look at those things. You keep an eye on the belief of how true it is on these percentages. Yeah.

So for us it's more so I think we kind of try to distill it down into like smaller segments, you know, whether it's five and ten game segments and, you know, trying to you know, hit those certain benchmarks, you know, whether it's points-wise or that, but also, you know, behind the scenes analytically and different things that, you know, we believe are the metrics

that we need to be successful. So I don't know. Again, it's, you fall into those interesting things if it means something to you and you're on the good side of it and you throw them out the window if you're on the bad side of it. And, you know, it's kind of one of those things where you can trick yourself into believing whatever you want. Oh, you guys are at 80s. 36% so you're good. You're safe to make playoff. The good news is Colorado's got a 2% of missing. Yeah.

Well, I'll tell you what, like I know last year when we were going through, you know, the success that we're having, you almost get that, like I say, you get that feeling is like, you know, you're scared to lose because, you know, you're kind of, you know, had the such high expectations on a nightly basis. But, you know, again, it's, there's lots of runway. Pardon the pun, but, you know, we've got to, you know, make sure that we can do something that,

one, to get into the playoffs, and then obviously, too, you want to make some noise in it. But, you know, it's far too early to start talking about the noise. You've got to, you know, you've got to accomplish a big feat and put 16 teams behind you. Chevy, great stuff as always. Thanks for joining us, man. Thanks a lot for having me on, guys.

Yeah, thanks for your time. Kevin Shevold-day off. Jet Stock. the uh gold you know the analytic stuff not great in the jets this year team doing good yeah underlying stuff but he did mention they've been hurt they haven't had perfetti and lowry and whoever else he mentioned someone else in there so now that they're healthy there is reason to believe they should get that back on track because they have been good at that typical and 86.5 percent according to money bucks they're fine you can just coast in that oh yeah good oh yeah

you're good interesting uh listening to them when you talk about some of the newer teams now showing great signs of playoff life like Chicago or you know Detroit but he talks about playing with expectations and that is I don't know if it gets enough

attention. Watching that with the Leafs over the years has been cool you know the evolution of I'm watching it with the Edmonton Oilers and you know Wallman has not been that great yeah no that's he's struggled

how much should he get? seven seven that changes that changes your perspective on things so that's that's playing with expectations now he's expected to be like he was when they went to the stanley cup final and right now their expectations on the blue line it's just not there no is that could that be affecting bouchard as well after signing a big ticket where it's i i think that does affect guys i really do I've seen a pretty consistent, you know, we had it with all the stars in Toronto, Marner, Nielander,

those guys' first years after their big contracts were some of their poorest and then they get comfortable and sort it out. So did you want to continue the conversation we were having before, not the AI one, the Euler one here? Like, although the AI one may be a little bit more interesting.

Do you, like, are you worried at all about it? Like, is your perspective on this just being a slow start changing? for the Oilers. Because I would say it is. Yeah, we talked about 20 games being ample opportunity to kind of show what you are or your identity. And right now, I think, especially in Toronto and Edmonton, I think it tells more than just what's notoriously known as a typical slow start. So there are concerns in Edmonton and Toronto, no question.

Yeah, I don't know if you guys happen to watch the pregame. show for the Oilers yesterday, but I put up a board, which was five-on-five scoring without McDavid and Dry Settle on the ice. Like what percentage of the goals are scored when those guys are not on the ice over the past five years? And they're typically outscored without those guys on the ice. Which makes sense. Yeah, they get about 40% of the goals or something like that.

And this year, it's like 20%, 23%. So they're really getting filled in without those guys on the ice more than they have in the past. Yeah. And that means you need more like Savoy's trying to find it. They sent down that Ike Howard. They haven't been able to replace Perry and Kane and Brown and Arvinson yet. I don't know if these guys will find it. And Capitin is still out.

They're looking for it. R&H is still out. Maybe when they're healthy, they're fine. But they've been struggling. And the thing that we talked about up at our desk before we came down here. Like, I mean, we have a clip on from Knoblock talking about like the goal about their defensive play. And, you know, he.

After last night's loss. Yeah, I mean, we can play it if you want. Yeah, play it. Just the commitment to protecting the dangerous ice. You look at the first goal against. We got a lot of guys out of position on that, and we get beat to the dangerous ice, and, yeah, we don't give Stu much help.

And you look at these nights where Stu's giving up a lot of goals, and you're thinking, you know, it's on goal-tending. but we're not making the game easy for him. So it was a tough night to goaltent. For sure. I totally get that. But it feels like I've listened to some version of an Oilers coach, say this, however many times about taking a goaltender off the hook

or stew this or stew that, like, at what point? And, you know, we had spec on yesterday and he's talking about how, like, Bowman makes a big box to get a different goalie in here. Just pull the Biddington lever. All right. Just pull the lever. Binnington.

This is probably more a Canadian thing but we heard it with the Leafs. People are questioning Craig Bruby and of course it forces Bradtree living to come out and not even thinking about it

and not going there. But like, Knoblock's going to start hearing it real fast here. I mean, he's, I mean, in my mentions today about Oilers, man, they're talking another level. And the race to the bore is on. I get, I get,

That, you know, the playoff success. Is that a race to Dubai joke? I get the success of going deep in the playoffs. I do, but I just listened to Knoblock last night in post, and he does lack some emotion here for me. And some is needed right now. Some of it is needed right now, and I don't think he has the capability to draw any type of emotion

I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I got to think it's pretty close to what we see in front of the camera. You know, the best coaches, if I were going to ask you who you think the best few coaches in the league are, I can just tell you a couple guys for me, John Cooper, Paul Maurice. Cooper was probably, if I was going to say the best coach, who I would pick, I would say him.

I don't know what the answer is, and I'm not saying rah, rah, rah, or screaming, but there just has to be. They have a feel. He's got to show something. more than what he does. Well, that's where I'm going with the best coaches in the league is that Cooper doesn't get mad often.

Maurice doesn't get mad often. They're actually pretty cerebral, thoughtful, calm guys. But there's a point where they'll freak out. And I would say Paul Maurice actually got a lot of credit for the turnaround of the Florida Panthers against the Toronto, maybe it's in the regular season. And if they didn't win that game, they wouldn't have made the playoffs. Pittsburgh would have made the playoffs and the least would have gone to the Stanley Cup

and won it. And Maurice came on the glute. Now, You know, heard all that. But I'm not saying Knoblock is there yet, but it will be interesting to see if that gear is within him to be like, how are we not seeing what's going on here? So we've got, from a few years ago,

Connor McDavid on Amazon screaming at the top of his lawn. And then we've got Knoblock. Can you imagine now these two guys getting together to try to figure this out? and ones to the extreme of that and the other one is to like buddy you need the balance it's you and me on the show pal there there is fire and ice there is i get there's a balance

but one can't be that extreme and the other one being that like no pulse right yeah it's you know i was so did that game last night uh i could put together a highlight pack you know of probably 20 plays where you had D or forwards over chasing, trying to do too much and running out of position and all of a sudden you had the capitals coming down through the neutral zone like it was a highway.

And there's coaching involved and getting guys to be in their spots. And we've watched with the Leafs a bit this year too. They don't look engaged. They don't. The big boys do. Well, yeah, they look so. No, the big boys are the big boys. This is not on Drysidal or Connor McDavid.

We're talking about 18 other guys here. To me, the decor there. A pretty good decor. The decor is not engaged. Dude, Brett Kulak has been on the ice for 15 goals against and none for this year. No, that's in November. In the month of November. Yeah.

Is that better? Oh, for 15 is crazy. That's a nutty number. But, like, you think of the names, what would you think? Echholm. Very good. Solid defense. Nurse, overpaid, but serviceable.

Scored two last game. You know, Wallman, who they brought in, they like. Bouchard. Bruchard. But it just doesn't... In Canada, starter. It just doesn't feel right. Doesn't feel right.

Do you remember John Cooper grabbing Nick Paul? Yes. One of the best ever. One of my favorite playoff moments. He's like, I'm glad. Dad's here. Get in the room. Oh, I'm on national television.

Get in the room. That was awesome. But that's, you know, I grew up. That's kind of how you, the level of respect you had for your coach, the way it went. Yeah, I don't know that that fear is always being instilled. One more thing, oil the thing, before we do game time and go. And I mentioned it with the Bennington lever.

Like, I know, you know, the backup goalie money that he makes at Valley talks about with Stu Skinner, where he was supposed to be the backup and Jack Campbell was supposed to be the starter and all that stuff. I understand all that. But at what point is different just better? Here, hold on. Hold on, though. Let's do the thing that you also brought up,

which relevant to your different thing. Who says no, Skinner for Joe Wall. Joe Wall, Skinner, no. Skinner for Stolars. What about Wall? Leaves. 100% Leaves. Yeah?

Yes. They're just not sure what they have. He's okay if he's going to be there. Skinner's healthy all the time. What we talked about at the desk was Skinner for Stolars. Who says no? That's when we said. But anyways, just trade for Bennington.

Everybody knows it should happen. Just do it. Winnington. You do think it's going to happen. Yeah, I do. Yeah. And, like, would they have to blow them away? He's literally the worst goalie in the league.

Like, he's only got one year left. Like, he's getting older. I just feel like it wouldn't even need that much. What is it? A second? Second rounder? It's more to do with. The pedigree?

No. Cap? Cap and getting St. Louis to eat some money. Okay. He's got one more year after this, it's six million. Stu would be, yeah, presumably Skinner goes the other way, I guess, at that point.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, like, come on. I'm not keeping that guy around. Well, maybe, no. No. No, it's over. It's over. You can't have the threat of it just being Skinner again. It's like when you break up with a girl after a year or two and try to stay friends. Yeah, no, it's over. You just can't. It doesn't work. You can't have the threat of bidding to me like, oh, my leg. And it's like, here comes stew again.

It's like, no. Yeah, what world is Jerry and Elaine think that that is real? That's not real. Anyways, I just, at some point, you got to do something different. Anyways, it's game time. Presented by Bet365, visit the athlete of sods. And see why it's ever ordinary at Bet365, must be 19 plus. Ontario only, please play responsibly.

I think Wall for Skinner. I hurt my feelings. Sorry about that. Now that I'm thinking about it a little bit more, that's just not right. Sorry, Joe. There are 12 games on tap tonight, lots of hockey. I'll start here in Toronto. Columbus Blue Jackets in town to take on the Leafs.

The Leifes are minus 105 in the money line. The Columbus Blue Jackets are minus 115, so pretty even on both sides of it there. A couple really good ones. Oilers on the second half of back-to-back in Tampa to take on the lightning. If you believe in the narrative that the Oilers got to start winning eventually, and they kind of galvanized, even though they have 32, they're 32nd in every stat,

they are plus 140 tonight in Tampa Bay. Not often that you're going to get the oilers on a number like that, but it's probably plus 140 for a good reason. Neither do I. I'm just putting that out there. And a little bit later on, a couple really good ones, Vegas in Utah to take on the mammoth. The mammoth are minus 105,

Vegas Golden Ice minus 115. And even later on, the sharkies, who I love watching so much, Macklin Celebrating, one of the must-see television, hosting their Pacific Division rival, the L.A. King's Sharks plus 150 on the money line. The L.A. Kings minus 180. Big faves there. And, I mean, according to Money Puck, the sharks have a better chance to make the playoffs in the Leafs.

So, I mean, that's great value there. And it feels like the Sends haven't played in a while. They're in an Anaheim taken on the Ducks tonight. Brady, can Chuck coming back soon? We can talk about that a little bit later. But I think it's maybe he's on his excellent podcast. He was talking about when he potentially would come back. Anyways, that was Game Time

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Listen, I don't want to necessarily, I want to give them credit for a win. Yeah. But I would like to just talk about the. Sabers? What are they going to do, guys? What are they going to do? I mean, I think everyone. listens to this understands what the flames have been this year they're having a tough go offensively

they've been not very good they're getting a top pick six two on home ice no no no here's worse okay calgary's coming off back to back yes buffalo's waiting at home you know coolly with a nice win good on them yep but they're back up goalie and you lose six two buddy i so i'm in a survivor pool a three strike survivor pool and i look at calgary schedule and the record this year i was like oh back to back backup goalie like anyone will beat them buffalo is actually not that bad i'll take the sabers you took sabers last day and i watched them get holy wiped filled by the flames so what are you i don't know what they're going to do what are they going to do you're nailed it like i'm watching i'm listening to podcasts and reading articles and i'm seeing the ducks rebuild and where it's at and the black hawks

are coming along and Utah's coming along and everybody's coming along well I'm not Doug you know the Sabers it's like where are their players they've been bad for 14 years where are the players who like Ikel's over there

somewhere I guess Ryan O'Reilly left a long time ago where is everyone I saw oh god I went to find the tweet but I saw a Buffalo Sabers fan it needs a full rebuild but it was recent let me quickly find

brand from the top get Shanahan wow it was chris johnson's tweet of the top four scores in the league badd and david mckin number one pick number one pick number one pick everyone 14 years of no playoffs to not get a single one of these guys i know you know they're their first overall picks was it dalene was their first overall pick power and power and deline was power first overall i can't even remember all the first overall picks ikel was second to mac david they just have nothing to show for any of this.

And, like, Danileen, when's he going to want to leave? Like, he's a good player. That was the start of this where, you know, I'm seeing stuff online where it's like, is Tage Thompson going to force his way out? Like, that's the conversations you start having. Power did go number one overall. Dalene went number one overall. They want

to play in the playoffs. They playoffs. No. The players, they're going to leave to go play in the playoffs. Not Buffalo's playoffs. They're just going to want to just experience it. If you're a fan, you're like, playoffs?

Like, you got to, you can't keep moving on from these guys. You have to find a way to keep them. Keep them happy. You have to keep your guys here. It's too late for those guys. For Tage Thompson? Yeah, probably. You think they're, we're going to miss the playoffs again.

Well, but then who's it built around? Who's at the core of it? How old is Tage? He's not that old. How old? He is 28. Buddy. I didn't know he was that old.

Buddy. He's a geyser. 10 years of nothing. It's actually been 14 years of nothing. No, for him, though. Oh, for him, yeah. For him. Yeah.

So don't tell me that in his prime, we're talking about how many more prime years does he have, four, five? Yeah. Would you like to play in one playoff game? Probably. I think he would probably like to do that, Kep. And listen, it has to be with ownership.

I don't know what's going on. Terry Pagula still has the team. It was once a. Upon a time, local billionaire who loves the team. It was single owner. It was supposed to be a match made in heaven. And do Sabre fans feel slighted because the focus is on the bills? I don't know.

But he does weigh in on decisions with the Buffalo Sabres, I assure you. How do you have a first time GM try to solve this crisis? Like, you know, you look at teams around the league that, you know, okay, go get someone experienced and see if, you know, someone can help you out of this funk, someone who's... Shanney's the guy. Shanney's definitely the guy. He's the perfect guy to do that. There's really, there's nobody else, really, with that kind of pedigree. But he, I can think about, I mean, I don't think the Leafs were quite...

Doug, McLean. Yeah, Mac, yeah. But I don't think the Leafs were quite as much of a laughing stock as the Sabers are right now. they were close and he came in here it's the playoff stuff but is everything else got improved in the last 10 years for the leaps other than playoff success which is the biggest one of themers would kill to lose in the first time much times he what i'm saying is shanny came in here and took over a very similar situation that was like the butt of the joke they never won they were crappy and just flipped it over and let me ask you who did they hire who did they hire lou lamrella someone who'd

seen it babcock yeah they got who had like been through it pros experienced guys and they had shelf life right yes but it's okay lose was maybe a little shorter than it should have been yeah i mean there's an argument there for sure and and mark hunter and all the rest of them and we can go back 100% where shanny made a few mistakes but at least he started the groundwork uh right to respectability call shanny call shanty all right well i mean at least the bills are great yep they might you know they could win the Super Bowl this year. Okay, so what did,

so have you seen, have you watched Brady and Matthew on their podcast? I don't want to do this because it's hard. It's hard. It's new. First of all, if you played the clips of my first couple shows they ever did on this show, it would be the worst thing anyone's ever heard.

So I don't want to be too critical of them. I haven't listened. Have you listened? Yeah, I love it. Don't miss an episode. Oh, stop it. Yeah, we're wing men, him and I. What did Brady say?

What did Brady say when he's coming back? He said, let me just quickly find it. Let me quote him here. He said, I've got a doctor's appointment in the next couple of days and I'm excited to hear what he has to say. Hopefully, everything is all clear to go out there and battle and compete. Hopefully around Thanksgiving, we're back and we're ready to rock. So that's a quote from the Wingman Wednesdays or whatever his podcast is called.

Yeah, awesome. So, but listen, it's easy to just dunk on them and I've done it already. I don't mean too. I don't care. Well, look, I, I do care. I just, I'm glad that they're trying to do it. It just doesn't sound very good. The only thing we've done in the last five years is prove it's very hard.

It is. It's as hard as it looks. Yes, it is. People make fun of me, they're like, oh, you don't have a real job. I'm like, all right, brother, you go sit in there. Turn on that microphone and say something interesting. It's not easy. It's easy once or twice.

I missed like seven texts from my wife yesterday's show. apparently like Was it the wind chimes? No, it was my, it was the hair It was sticking up And I'm like I ain't getting any help from Sam Or you or the robots in here

I've never noticed So Do you want me to let you know Your hair sticking up? Yeah, not for me for my wife She's like Click Thing is I sit here at this

Alfalfa every day And I have a hat on usually So yeah That's how hard it is Yeah it's really hard Complicated job On to the Winter Olympics. Okay, jerseys.

Mandatory and the jersey. Oh, you're going to do Winter Classic. Oh, okay. Go, go neck guards. Do you think... Is that a big deal? Do you think this is going to be... Is that nice for the kids?

Good message. That's all I was going to say. Good message. You still seeing it. I was going to say, like, when is this the newest visor situation? Where it's mandatory. Like, I went from helmets out were mandatory and got grandfathered in, and then it was visors, like, I feel like within the next two years.

Very soon. Tell me about the winter class jerseys because you have opinion. So Florida's playing the Rangers in Miami. Maybe Jake can put them up. I don't know. That's a lot to ask. They've got a dome, eh, that goes over the ice. They custom, they spend all this money on a dome, the NHL, that'll be over the ice rink.

Yeah. Outdoors until presumably hours before the game and they'll deconstruct the whole thing. I'm just saying, what do you mean to, like, build the ticket? No, that are going. into the game. Oh, I don't know. Zillion. Isn't it in some football stadium?

I don't know. I don't know. Is there a capacity? I don't have that answer for you. I don't know how many people are expected to go. We just do a hockey show. I don't know. Who cares where it is?

Tropicana fields. It's not a tropical game. Although they did just put the newest panel on there. It's at Lone Depot Park. I actually knew that. Damn. Which I would assume is the... You knew that?

Well, the show last night, we mentioned it. Oh, okay. I would assume that is where the Miami Dolphins play Lone Depot Park. Or maybe that's the Miami Barlands. Why are we hung up on this detail? Tell me about your jersey take. Well, I can't. They're both.

They both suck. Oh, you're brutal. They both suck. The Rangers' one's cool. My Arnackblad looks like a bumblebee. I love, okay, if you're watching, I love the stripes on the arm, and then they just way over did it with the socks. The pants are horrible.

The logo kind of looks cool, but it looks like a little bit of a mess. malnourished panther. I'm going to say the whole thing minus all the stripes is pretty great. Yeah, agree. If you just de-striped it, I'm into it. Too many stripes. And the... The other thing is, should they have gone with the Miami Vice, like the basketball, pink neon?

No. No? No. All right. No. But like... No, and then what, have Don Johnson drop the puck? Well, you have Mitch Marta dropped the puck in his outfit from the all-step.

Do you think that... Why are they going to Florida to do this? Because we think it'll sell out? Yeah. But it's such a moneymaker. You think it'll sell out there? Yes. Okay.

You know, that's why I'm asking. How many tickets? Rangers fans. How many? That's true. People from New York in Florida in January. Yeah.

That'll be a lot of Rangers. I don't know. Some of the Ranger fans aren't too happy this year. Yeah. Well, J.T. Miller took a lot of heat this week. Oh, my God. They'll love a road game. They're good on the road.

That was a tough look. It was a tough look. So, you know, I'll go to this well because I said it to you the other day. This is a take of Jeff Fayette, someone on Twitter who some people may know, J.T. Miller is an amplifier. And I really think that's a smart take. Whatever your team is, he will make it bigger. If they are good and competitive, he will power that up and you'll be more good and competitive. If they're stinky and not competitive, he'll do the same thing and drag it that direction too.

Whatever they are. Why is any an amplifier when they're stinky to pull them up to be good? Because he, whatever you are, he becomes you, but more of it. He makes you more of what you already are. I mean, it's a tough look to be like the no BS guy and then like a lot of BS. It was a guess he called the trade for him and then name him captain. The sea thing was. It was a big, big call by Chris Drury.

Oh, we have it. Is this the clip? Wow. Is this him on the wall? He's the captain. Oh, I can get to him. We did see something similar earlier in the year. That looked like me at the.

Easter SEALs event. Like that was that was the key level. Not on the game winning goal. You were moving faster. Well, no, in the D zone, that's what I look like. That's a stinky goal. We talked about something that looks similar earlier in the year. We just assumed that he's not healthy.

He was playing. I hate that. We do that all the time here. We do that's like, ah, I'm so sick of being like, is he hurt? He's playing. It is such a cop out for guys. It's playing. All right.

What else we got on this? Well games tonight, boys. Yep. I'm trying to. find my list of games. Favorite game, Sammy, other than your Toronto Maple Leafs you like to. I got to tell you, it's sharks. And I can finish Leafs Talk tonight with me and

J.D. Bonkus after every game. And I can settle up on the couch and I can watch the second half. So the three of us are going to go to a sharks game, eh, next month? Yeah, we are? Do we have a date on that? Yeah, Gibby. We got invited by our buddy Gibby. I love the sharks. And mostly just because I You love Gibby. Well, yeah. Of course I love Gibby. But I adore. Macklin Celebrini.

And I'm just so excited about how good he is. Did you see what they do now? They ordered a shark's mouth and put it on for post game. Yeah, Reeves, biggest glue guy in the league now. Everybody loves him. Well, I'm not Doug Yaddiata. Well, no, but it was just like, well, they're like, oh, I, he's doing it. He's doing an interview with no shirt on.

He's like, yeah, Revo told me I have to come out here with this thing on no tarp. And no tarp. Like, oh my God. No tarp. Like, what is no tarp? tarps off, baby? I know what it is, but where is that appeal? I think, like, wearing no shirt.

It's awesome. Everyone loves that. Really? You ever drive with no tarp on? I wear no tarp. I did an interview in New York with no tarp. Messier gives me this one right here. I'm over here.

Yeah, never again. Love that. No tarp. Yeah, well, you got guys coming to the rink. Ranger Jersey. Ranger. jersey baby that's what you wear all right our thanks to kevin shovel day off on our national show and aaron port's line during our leaf edition hour 12 games is our sammy told you pick yours and

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