Real Kyper & Bourne - Leafs Hour: Back in It at the Olympic Break?

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

The Toronto Maple Leafs hit the Olympic Break on a three-game win streak, and Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee debate whether the recent stretch might force the organisation to reconsider selling at the deadline. Then, they look back on the Leafs' win over the Oilers and discuss Anthony Stolarz's stellar outing, the team's play without Morgan Rielly in the lineup, Brandon Carlo's fight after hitting Connor McDavid, and more. They also discuss whether a buy-out is on the table for Rielly, Darren Raddysh as a potential offseason target, and Bobby McMann's trade value. Finally, they dip into McKee's Midweek Mailbag to answer your questions!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Jam packed. The Real Kipper and Bourne show for the next two hours. Plenty to dive into. As we hit an official NHL trade freeze, saw a couple of trades come in. We'll get into that. Are we past that now? Is it over?

We are past it. Okay. But typically what happens on days like this, including a trade deadline, is there might be some stuff. but they say in the queue. Right. I don't know where the word

cue comes from. England. Okay. Works for me. Is there something that could come through now in the next little while that they got in

before the 3 p.m. Highly unlikely, but we've seen it in the past. But in the meantime, there were two trades. We'll get into that. Can I ask as a dumbbell about the queue? Like,

does he have to finish an intro yet? Oh, sure. Go ahead. No, no, no, no. Okay. It's just like, Seriously, I know your name's not on the show, but sometimes it feels like it is. Is it on the phone?

Like, is it like, it's like, like, they're like, so like, they know when they called in. So it was before to, like. And to be honest. Is it an email? Like, are they not particular, like, look. I envision it. I envision it like a general manager calling the league like we would call air Canada. And then they got to sit there for like 50 minutes to.

But there's some awareness of when the call came in. Maybe. Right. Yes. Okay. Sure. I don't know. Okay.

Anyways, finish it. Sorry. Bye back. We're live on SportsNet 360. 590 the fan in Toronto streaming on SportsNet Plus. Also available Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Nickyprio's Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. We've got David Sis Boombaugh up there today.

Yeah, he's out there, Boombaugh. Love it. Derek Brandeo and Zhaja, Ethan Gabor. Sis, boomba and jaja together. What a scene up there? Sis, boomba. Okay, leaf edition hour, but you guys want to talk about trades because eventually we're going to say,

are we surprised that the Leafs didn't do anything on this soft trade deadline before? I was kind of hoping they would, right? The 18 days. Rip the Band-Aid off here, but, you know, I can't help but feel. You have to just use my voice a little bit. It's a little imperfect today.

That's okay, Peter Brady. I can't help but feel, but the Leafs winning three in a row affects things a little bit in the sense that they're like... Sammy, didn't we have this conversation? Just what I thought I was out. They pulled me back in.

Five games before the deadline, and I could see them being like, let's just see if we win four before we trade anyone. Let's just see. I know, Sammy. I find this. I find this conversation very complicated and hard. And it's just not one that I've done for a long time

where the lease have been really bad or in a playoff spot pretty much for the last 12 years. And it's not a conversation that I'm used to having anymore. You know, I just, like, for example, last night, before I did least talk with J.D. Bunkus, I went upstairs, grab a glass of water. Allie was actually like, oh, they win. I was like, yeah, they won't. She's like, oh, great.

And I'm like, no, it's not great. Because they're supposed to not kind of win, but they're supposed to kind of win. It's like, what the hell I'm cheering for? Because it can tell you today. I can tell you today. It confuses me, Ali. Right? It's complicated.

I don't know. I don't think it is anymore. They have to just win. They have to sell and they have to win. That's all they have to do. It is so clear as mud, but it is, they have, so they have to do. It's like inhaling and exhaling at the same time. They need to get rid of a couple guys and recoup some assets and try to win every hockey game.

And the fans can cheer with. they do because it makes Boston's pick worse. It gives you a chance of playoffs. Cheer for win. Please enlighten me. Okay. So who do you get rid of and who do you think can still help them win?

What do you mean who can still help them win? I think there's enough on this roster when healthy and everyone's Tavares back rested and the goalies are the goalies again and Willie's not missing games where they can be competitive. Probably not enough to get in. I don't think they can get in. don't put that in my mouth. Really, then to Sam's point, what's the point?

Well, then to make Boston's pick worse, what's the point? You're not? Oh, my God, that's what we're down to? Well, Kim, what are you talking about? Do you want them to make playoffs or tank? I think they got a poop or get off the pot. So you want them to buy? Or keep?

No. There's no buying. There's no buying. They have no money. There's no money. They have no money. They're broke. But they could keep and try to go on a run.

And then next year you got, you're no better. You've got no new assets. You're still going to miss playoffs. The bold strategy caught. Let's keep it pays off for them. They have to go 16, 7, and 2. 16, 7 and 2. Or 17 and 8.

8. Yeah, exactly. 17 and 8 gets you to 97. But I think you guys may be arguing with the same thing. Like, if they sell, tell me, you still want them to win. They're selling. That's what you know. You know who to sell.

You know who to sell. Yeah. McMahon. Yes. Yes. You could be Lawton, it could be OEL, it could be, there are options. There's a litany of gentlemen that I would be willing to sell. But if you do-

Then you're done. You are done. You are making any run. They're not making, okay, so we're not. But you don't think they're done. So there's no pulling, there's no one's getting pulled back in then on this three-game win streak with the five points. Fans are.

But you're telling them they got no shot because they're going to get rid of all these players and you're only going to make yourself so much worse if they lose bobby mcmann how much worse he plays on a dog line probably worse a lot worse okay a lot worse they're they're worse they're worse they're worse they're definitely worse yeah but so what and who fills in for bobby mcmand for the next 25 games who cares who cares okay so we're just we're throwing in the towel you want to win every game now there's no doubt there's no point in tanking you want to win every game i don't think for one second, that's going to happen. I don't see it.

So they're going to re-sign them then? Are they just going to walk another guy to the door, chasing a playoff spot they're not going to get? Because that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You think they're not even going to trade McMahon? No. Is that what you're getting at here? To Justin's point, I think within the five points now,

they're looking at it and they're going, okay, where are we when we come back? And we'll have 12 full days. Are we still five points out? or are we now back to nine? And if that's the case and you feel like you don't want to spend $5 million on McMahon,

you do move them. But I don't see them moving OEL. I don't. I'm sorry, but not that guy. Leaf schedule coming out of the break starts with a back-to-back Tampa Bay and Florida. That's not good.

And then you got the senators who are one of the five best metric teams in the league, and then you play, I think, Philly and the Devils. Actually, they have six games before the break. You have a back-to-back of the Devils and Rangers. Philly, Devils. Six games before the deadline, you mean. Before the deadline, correct.

So I guess what you're trying to say is they haven't made their mind up again. They're back to not sure. I do. Yeah, I am. And to your point, I don't even think it's a given anymore that they could sign McMahon. They could, they could sign them. But don't you think that they need to sell? because this team is not Stanley Cup competitive remotely.

There's no way. They have to sell. I have to believe that they're smarter than that. I have to, like, if I'm a fan of this team that spends my nights all winter long, sitting in front of my television, watching this product and caring about it and spending money on it,

I have to believe as a fan that they are smarter than that. You think they're dumbos. Like, they can't think they're dumbos. I think they don't. don't want to, I don't think they want to miss the playoffs next year. Then sell. Yeah. Like, sell.

And then fans still get to cheer for wins when they come. And you think you could sell three or four pieces right now and still make the playoffs next year? No, three or four is a lot. I think it depends who you sell. I think McMahon's fine. I said yesterday, keep Oweil. I think OEL, you still have the chance to sell him next year. And still maybe make the playoffs next year with OEL.

He is their best defenseman. I mean, next year without Riley, they're going to be McCabe, Carlo, which I like, Tanna OEL, which I like. Don't do pairs. Just look at the left side if they sell OEL. Yeah, yeah, you can't. Right? You're down to McCabe. Yeah.

That's it. No, you got to keep. But there's also like an offseason where you, in theory, if you sell, have assets to, acquire another left-handed shot defense. Yeah, you know what? You said that when Marner left and it never happened. Well, yeah, but they didn't trade him for picks.

They didn't trade him, period. They just let him walk. They tried to trade him. But they had cap space and it was just a foregone conclusion. We're just going to go find a top six guy. He never came. They never found him. I'm not looking for a minor replacement.

It's not that easy to get rid of these players and replace them is my point. You can't find a fourth D. left-handed in this off-season with a second or first-round pick? No, you can, but I get your point that, like, you just don't want to sell all these guys in the sale. But you're trying to bounce back next year. You are trying to balance back next year. I'm telling you right now.

Yes. And I'm on it. Yeah. If you look, if the lease were a quote-unquote smart team, they would look at the, they would look at the standings, they would look at what position they're in. They would look at the season that all of him, Echman-Larsin is having. and they would realize that he is having an outlier late 30 season where he's been the best offensively he's been since Phoenix Coyote's days

and they would sell high on an asset. It's just, it's such an obvious thing to do. But these pedigree guys don't always, they don't fizzle out like other guys. You know? I'm just, I'm reminding you of this conversation next year. Yeah. No, there's no argument he's not going to be as good next year as he is this year.

But I, to Kip's point, they want to win now. They want to win next year. Yeah, okay. I don't think you can go find OEL at 3.5 easily. I agree with that. Yeah, yeah. But it's a matter of what assets to sell. Either way, the conclusion is you're cheering for wins again.

Wins are good. We can look at Scott Lawton. Not the way he's talking. We can look at, if it makes them do dumb things, you're right. We can look at Scott Lawton and we can say, whoa, overpaid. Well, not here, but overpaid to trade them, right? the assets that you got. Oh,

we overpaid to trade for him. And we can try to recoup. We won't get, we won't get what we spent on him. But how easy is it to replace that guy right now on either the UFA market

or to trade for him again? Hard. Really hard. You know what I would want to find out though? I would want to know, we talk about getting out ahead of big names. I want to make sure a lot wants to be here.

Like I would want that contract done soon here. Because if he's not going to be here, you better get something. Even if it's not going to be even close to what. I'm just want to. The horror. Like, I'm in, I'm in panic. Hey,

I know you are. And you know what? I'm in panic mode. There's half of you out there, 50%, 60%. We're, We've fans are like. People wanted change. Major change.

And I'm here to tell them, I'm not sure it's coming. That's. Like that is... That's why winning's bad in Sam's point. So my thing is winning will be good after the day of the break. You got to lose coming out of the break. Must lose.

You have to lose. I can't tell you how badly... How about that game last night, eh, boys? Leaves, leave, please. Let's go to a couple of kippers, clippers, and we'll continue to drive home. Hold on. The point.

It's on Brubay's overview. of the game, a nine second clip. Would you like to do a impression of what you think it is? Liked our effort. Good goaltending? Like the fight. Let's play the clip there, Derek. Highly competitive tonight, you know, I thought right from the get-go,

we were highly competitive, our goalie was good, and then special teams were really good. Close. I thought the specialty is really good. Two for three. They were. Two power plays finally, shot two in the net. That was nice.

Stoll is the highlight of the night for anyone else? Any argument there? Oh my gosh. We said it when we left. A great opportunity. Statement game. Get himself back in the mix here. And he was every bit as good as he's been at his highest point last season when it came to,

I don't know, at times carrying the team, holding the Ford. Trade value, baby. What do you think? I would say that last night was a very nostalgic evening. that took me back to last season where that looked like a last season game where they take advantage of their high danger chances, the power plays good,

and the goalie plays great, and they just kind of pack the paint and they block a lot of shots, and they just try to limit the high danger stuff. It looked a lot of like how they won a ton of games last year. Yeah. That's what it looked like. Stollars was fabulous.

And I'm sure you guys all received the same message as I did immediately that the Morgan Riley thing. It's just like their record just gets better when he's not in. Yeah. Yeah. It is 25 and 5 now. Yeah.

The last 30 games of the moat. Listen, it's, he's going to come back after the break. And I don't know what happens, but I would bet to guess it'll kind of look like whatever it's looked like in the past when he's in the lineup. And I'm not saying that like they're going to lose and he's shoveling. That's not my point. The point is he's just going to come back and he's going to play his 18, 21 minutes. And you hope that if you were Craig Bruby, It fits in with the momentum that they've shut down with today.

Do you think that he is a, his contract is a plus value contract? Or do you think you have to attach something to get rid of it? Yes. I think everything as we've heard Brad Tree living over the last few years, you know, when things aren't going great, we'll use the term everything's on the table, which I got to think would include buying him out. Oh, really?

I don't like that one. That's a long time to pay for them. So you have four more years after this? I'm not saying like at the end of the day, that's what they decide. And it works for them. But the cap's going up and you could justify it a little bit more. Do we know what the number would be on that? No, probably not, right?

I have no idea how to figure that out. I'm not smart enough for that one. No, but there's a calculator on cap wages. One thing that does appeal to me is looking at the Leafs cap sheet right now. They have $9 million in cap space. This is an opportunity to take someone's problem. Take Mangapane for a pick. You know, like this is where you accumulate assets.

And if you move off McMahon, are you any worse? You know, yes, I know you are. But at least get a pick in the process. You got someone to fill the spot to the end of the year. Again, if you're a day or two away from the trade deadline and you're looking at nine points. And I think that's, that's, yeah. Maybe they could take Chris Paul for a pick.

We can see that sort of stuff. But, you know, as far as Morgan is concerned, I think they wanted to give it one more chance this past season, this past off season that just went with the whole focus and going to come back in shape and all of it. And it just didn't work. and then they're going to have to have a hard conversation. And yeah, there might be a team out there that says,

listen, he can skate, he can still much minutes. I'll work with it. 7.5 is not devastating if you could protect them and start them in the ozone. What will happen is that you move Morgan out and you go sign radish from the Tampa Bay Lightning. That's totally happening. As far as I'm concerned, it's already done. It's already done.

Really? Oh, come on. Toronto, boy. It's got a bomb of a shot, which you haven't had in years. It's done. Radish, I don't know if you watch Mike Kelly. He tweeted out today. He's got the most one-timer goals by a defenseman in the league this year is six.

Radish actually has 12. So he's got the most. He's got 60 shots over 90 miles per hour. That's how you got to be careful of what you start. What's he going to cost? Oh, I don't know. So he's 29. So that helps you.

Yeah. Five, six mil, here. No problem. Okay. All day long. I'm in. Let's go. All day long.

Bring me radish. Okay. I calculated the buyout for Morgan Riley. I did my calculations and I clicked on it on Puckpedia. Jack Alfenakis. Yes. The buyout cap hit starting next year for three, four full seasons, there'll be three and a half million dollars. And then two more or three more, oh, four more after that at two million.

I hate it. Yeah. Like I'd rather just say to someone, listen, we'll retain two. You get Morgan Riley at five and a half. Play them on your second pair. Off you go. Okay. I would say that.

All of that. Totally on the table. It's funny going to the Puckpedia, the NHL bio calculator and like the popular buyout guys on this page. Not the page. No, it's Hubert O. Frederick, Pedersen, Cawkin, Yemi, Riley, Darnel nurse, Gallagher, Couturier, Dougie Hamilton. So if you don't want to be on that page if you're a hockey player.

Anyways. No. No, you don't. We want to hear from Craig Bruby on the trade deadline or Bobby McMahon potentially being traded, Sammy. I thought actually a couple good clips from the coach. Let's do the Bobby McMahon on potentially getting traded first. Clip five, please.

Well, I mean, the last, you know, I've coached him last year and this year. I mean, he's been a very good player for us in a lot of different ways. scoring for one, his speed, you know, physical tonight. He does a lot of good things for us. And it's a valuable player for this team. He's never liked him. I just love that last. Could you just play that last little bit there, please?

Valuable. Player for this team. Valuable player. So if you're one of a dozen teams that need help, he's valuable. Yeah, he's going to cost you. It's a valuable player for this team. He's entered first rounder territory, folks. God, I love that.

I don't, you know, possibly, depending on how desperate teams are. I'm just, I think there's a sense of overvaluing right now. Yeah, you do that with your own guys. Once you get past the Olympic break and you're into that single digits before the deadline, prices drop. And I think the Leafs, if they're out of it by a long shot

and they have no plans on resigning them, we'll take whatever they can get. Don't want that. Rather have him. Let's do the last one. They're clip six on the trade deadline, Derek. You know, that's part of the game, right? And it's even more in Toronto.

We know that. So they understand that, I think, and, you know, you can't read all the things. You've got to just avoid it as best you can. It's hard to. You know, it's out there, and you're going to see it and hear it. But that's part of being a good pro.

that's things you've got to put behind you and focus on what you need to do for the Toronto May Police. There you go. Yeah, that's easier said than done. I thought the guys did a really good job of... Last game before the race. It's really hard this time of year on players,

and I've gone through it a number of times. You ever hear your name in rumors? Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I thought it was done going to Buffalo for... for Tim Sweeney, I think. Oh, yeah? Yeah. And it was, I found out it was close on a couple occasions.

I don't know what happened, but I heard on a number of occasions I was close to being a Buffalo Sabre. And guys are just, you want to be a pro, as Craig just alluded to, but everybody's just like, how is this going to affect me? And am I going to be here, not be here? For the leaves to come out and play hard last night. and compete like Craig did. I thought showed a tremendous amount of professionalism from those guys.

Interesting. Yeah. We weren't expecting that last night. I'm saying that if it looked a little bit like it was, oh my gosh, like I don't even know where their heads are at, it would have been understand. You could have understood it is my point. I'm interested to see what Borny's going to say because I wonder if we're having the same

thought. 34. I thought 34 and 97 were both playing a no-hitter. A couple guys looking at. get to the Olympics, just not as engaged. I thought it was a physical game. I thought there was great energy, but... Yeah, I wouldn't dismiss that comment.

Yeah. And I thought specifically when Carlo kind of clipped McDavid and he went down... Did you have a heart attack? I think, yes. First of all, I was like, somebody's going to fight Carlo. I immediately was like... I was a midi-li-a-o-o-eater fan. But like, I think that, I mean, maybe I'm crazy here,

with that kind of little shockwave to him. And I didn't think he was nearly as engaged for the rest of the game. Like, I thought that was kind of like, oh, my God. His Olympic life flash before his eyes. I know. Battle of Alberta. Perfect. Good scheduling, Gary.

Adam Clapka. Yeah, awesome. Burling down on him. Did you guys want to hear Carlo talk about the hit on McDavid? It's a good clip. I don't know. A puck kind of just came to the middle. I just kind of swung my hip a little bit.

I felt like I got him on the hip. I don't know where I got him necessarily, but obviously he was a little stunned after that. Understandably, when he gets hit or any sort of situation where it looks like he could maybe get hurt, all 20 guys on the ice are going to be standing up for him. So I knew something was coming,

and I have a lot of respect for guys who stand up for their best players, so nothing wrong there. Cut of Carlo too. He was like, yeah, All right. These two fights as a leaf against two of the scariest dudes in the league. Donnell nurse in that milan.

He's a big strong guy. And first of all, good on him for doing it. Absolutely. But I can always sense, you know, either because of my experience as a player, that there are guys that can do it who just do it. And then there's other guys that do it because they, they enjoy it and they want to split your head open

guys. Yeah. Right? Totally. Carlo is not that guy. Definitely not. I think Nurse is that guy though. I think he's a much more willing. He's got a little bit more squirreliness. He does. Definitely. Yeah. I wish Carlo had a little bit more squirreliness.

I wish he would step up and clip more guys like that or have the the thought that you better keep your head up because I can do this. But you know, we've talked about how this is becoming. And he doesn't. Because it's so rare now that it's a real commodity. When you find it in players, like when you could find a guy who's got that like mentality, it's a valuable thing now.

And he got traded out of Boston because he doesn't have it. And they thought he was too soft. I would say that that tracks. Yeah. And it was particularly frustrated to see his first. greasy moment as a leaf be on McDavid a week before the tournament starts. But if he had a little bit more of that greasiness, then he becomes one of those guys that you just cannot do without.

It's too smart. You ever hear him talk? They're all too smart now. He is. No, not. Dumbies like us. There's plenty of. There's some dummies.

There's some dummies. But guys like Wohl and Carlo and those guys could definitely use having the IQ turn down a bit for hockey purposes. Um, he was kind of, he got asked a little bit of the trade rumors about Carlo. We kind of breezed past it on, um, was it Monday we had free John, right? And we, because it was in the national hour, we didn't do a lot of follow up on it. But he mentioned Carlo with the Oilers. And he kind of said to some people that he hears that maybe and not.

He didn't want to go to Edmonton, so he hit McDavid. Can we have a quick Oilers conversation here? Sure. That decor. Lees a little bit to be desired. I kind of get what chart. We've had this conversation for like two years. I know,

but Jari, maybe Jari was right. Well, statistically he was. Gazz did a thing pre-show since the deadline or since the trade. Yeah. They've been rancid. Yeah.

Leafs bat defensively. Well, it's just, once you get past Bouchard, it's, Ackholm looks like he's really slowed down. Like Nurse and Walman are both names, but they're not defensive specialists.

Stasney and Emberson. A lot of Stasney and those. Yeah. They got some challenges. Do you, think Carlo would be a guy that they work for them? I think there would be a number of teams that would love Carlo because he

can again fit into a top four. He can play 20 minutes and he's cheap too right on an AAV right because But again we talk about the Leafs immediately then would need that. You know he's cheap

and he's a right shot top four guy Yeah and you can't just can't go and replace them Yeah I don't see him getting traded. Why don't we listen to what he had to say on the trade rumors clip three from Carlo? It's tough for sure. But I think overall from my experience, all I can really do is stay present, focus on what I'm doing for this team right now. That's my biggest goal. I love it here. I want to stay here. And overall, I think if I can just continue to stay present in the moment,

I'm going to let everything else handle itself. No need to think about the future or the past and cause anxiety there. It's just about staying. in the moment and doing the best that you can each day. God, it's a master class. Too smart. Too smart. To be greasy. The words uttering from a leaf player now,

I love it here. I want to stay here. Should not be taken for granted anymore. Well said. Okay. It's getting harder and harder to find players if you target

that would be open to play in Toronto or Canada in general. There's a lot of players that just have on my no trade list, Canada. And it's not for everybody. We've heard from a few people over the past little while that it's just, it's not for everybody.

They hear the stories. They know the Mitch Marner saga. They hear it. You mean the guy that got a standing ovation in his return? Right? I'm just telling. that when you have a guy like Carlo, that you have to take it in consideration, how easily can we replace them? And do people want to play here?

Being afraid to play where people pay attention is so gutless. It totally is. I understand the guys be like, I'd rather not have the scrutiny. And you don't have to have the scrutiny. But I don't know. I personally, I would have loved it. Like I, that sort of thing would have been thrilling. The bigger the audience, the better. I would have turned you into a good. I would have turned you into a fighter. Like that's... Sure. Right?

Sure. You would have been okay with that? You'd get beat up on repeat. No, no, no. You're savvy. You're sleepy tough. Sneaky. Sneaky.

Yeah, panic tough. The guy is just like, you know, thousand volts of adrenaline. So... You would have been the most popular guy here. You think Darren Nash would like it in Toronto? Toronto boy, no. You sell him on that.

He's like McMahon, too. He's got to get that check. What's his career earnings? Career earnings 4.6. He just fell out of the sky for Tampa Bay. What did you say? Hold on. What did you say? How much is he made? 4.6 million career earnings. Yeah, he's going to get that per year. How long of a contract would they have to give him?

I think you could give him five, four, five. He's going to, he's going to command a lot here. And I don't know where this story ends up for Tampa Bay. Are they going to a conference final, Stanley Cup final? Like, right now you've got them at the top of the class in the East. in conference, do he not? Yes, well, them and Carolina. Okay. I mean, he's going to end up with what, 20 goals, 25 goals?

Yeah. And he's got a bomb. He's got a bomb. What have we been saying about the Leaf Blue Line for the last, I don't know, 20 years? Right shot, right? Right hand D. Who is the top four guy who hits bombs.

Bombs, Sammy. I have to say just a hearty congratulations to Derrattish in his family. Like just... We just made a million bucks. Way too early to suck up to him. No, I just mean like in general on this year that he's having in his, like a guy that's never really got paid, having this season in a contract year, this has to be one of the greatest contract years of all time. Like honestly, for a guy that has made no money and there's no UFAs.

He's making $975 this year. Look at the UFAs. There's no one. No one. And he's just going to be like, yep. I'm the best guy here. Give me $35 million. I don't know what it's going to end up.

I think he's going $7 or $8 million, even if he ends up with 30 goals this year. It's like McMan to me. You're in the ballpark of five, five and a half, six. I think you're safe to go there on a five-year deal. You know what's really going to suck after this conversation? His $5-year $10 per year contract that he signs in Tampa Bay.

But yeah. When he's like, yeah, I'll take nothing. Of course I'll take nothing. Jake McCabe had a good game. He did. Right? Him and Carlo. He looked really good together.

They make sense to me as a pair. And McCabe could use a break here. He's played a lot of minutes. They've really leaned on him this year with no TANF. Yeah. So anyways, one of the break? What do we have, Sammy? That's a mailbag question.

The break. Mailbag questions. Text us too, 595. 90. I'll take a few least ones off the text line as well. But, yeah, got some mailbag stuff coming up after the break. All right, you heard the man. Don't go away.

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Sammy, Mickey. You guys good? Yeah. We're reading up on Liam Green Tree. A lot of points. Big body. Texted Bookes about him. Do you want to hear the Bookes?

Gotting report on him? Very much. Is it anything to do with big and sleepy? He said, big body, power, average plus boots, not a burner by any stretch, second line power upside shooter. So there you go. The sleepy thing has come up in a couple things I've read online, that he has like tons of offensive sense, talents, huge, like lots of upside,

but sometimes a little sleepy, but buddy, you take more points in the OHL than anyone over the past two years. And the reason we're talking about him is he was traded for Artemey Panarin today. Panarin, a Los Angeles king agreeing to a two-year deal on a contract extension that will pay him $11 million A-A-V. Two years. Talk about that a bit more up the top of the national out. When we go national. I love, I love, I don't know if you read ahead in the lineup.

I don't know if you ever read my lineup. I didn't, but I do during the commercial break. Okay, good, good, good. and this is from Alex color on Twitter and he probably was listening to this being like oh my God Kipper stole my son so hard

he literally wrote with Tampa being so scared to overpay radish is there a scenario the least move off Riley this summer or deadline for whatever they can get and throw in a pick if you have to and throw five to six million dollars it's unbelievable

nice work Alex Alex Christ but you threw out the five or six million did you see that? Nope did you give you're going to give Alex credit God didn't see it that's under sorry Alex we had no credit. Don't feel

bad, Alex. We don't pay attention to Sammy. You just nailed it though. You should feel good about that. But listen, it's harder and harder to even go to a UFA and pluck. And that's why

you got to go, you got to do your homework early, you got to get it out early, and you've got to figure out early if this stands a chance or not. What you cannot not do is what happened to the Leafs, Brad Tree Living and Brad Marshand last July, where you count on it happening. You waited and you waited and you waited and then he goes in a different direction.

Got with your pants down. Well, you got no other plan. Well, you needed a backup plan, which. I got a guy with M on his name and we're 63. She's good. Big night last night. I thought he was buzzing last night. Machiele.

Him and Newander. Got real chemistry. They have had success together as a line. I just, I want to present the other side of Leaves Nation, okay? Because we've been talking about the selling, okay? This is from Budget Boss on X. The consensus, consensus, let's start that again. The consensus is sell.

Was in that camp until three wins put us five points out. Let's dream here for a second. And assume we squeak into the eighth space. We might get Tampa Bay in round one, and I don't hate our chances. Round two could be the winner of Detroit and Buffalo. Two teams lacking playoff experience. Scary question mark? Nope.

Just saying. That sounded like a lotto 649 commercial. Okay? Let's dream. That's like Kevin Grant. Anything's possible. Kevin Garnap. Tampa in the first round doesn't scare you?

Listen. Talk about a waste. date days. There's not a lot of teams that I would quote unquote say the Leafs. Got their number. Wouldn't go as far as to say own, but have success against that team. When you talk, people still love to use the word parody and you can get away with it in the regular season.

But then true people come out, come out like a Daryl Sutter, who you are writing a book for. Yes, sir. And they nail it. a waste of eight days. A waste of eight days. And there is no such thing as parody in the playoffs. There isn't. We know which the good teams are.

It's the same cast of characters. You know, whether or not, you know, where are you on the Leafs facing Tampa Bay today? Right? I think it's very funny to think about what they would have to do to get into playoffs. Then you draw Tampa for the right to just,

I presume get filled in. Don't believe it. You don't think they get filled in? I don't think they get filled in. I think there's too much familiarity there. It's a division game. I think they had Tampa would win, but I think it would be six or seven games.

I think I think it would be, that's, I mean, the only success they've really had, like, I actually think they'd get beat by Carolina were they to go the other way more than Tampa. Yeah, totally. I don't think. After they had Luke Shen for a fifth at the deadline, look out.

You can dream. I don't. By the way, I will say way, I will say way more people than we're discussing think they're back in it. Here we go. Like, I would say half of my mentions are people being like, they're five points out. They've been, you know, all these reasons why it hasn't gone to plan so far. They're going to be okay. Yeah.

That's what three games. Well, no, that's what beating Edmonton in Edmonton does. Yeah, they also be Colorado, Colorado. Calgary and Vancouver did nothing except get them. the points that they needed to be within five today. And I'll remind you they won in overtime and by one in those games, you know, against the 30th and 31st place. So it's dumb and dumber.

You're telling me there's a chance. Yes, it is, exactly. This is a random one, but this is from Adam in, I don't know, Kibber's definitely not going to care about this. Born he might. Adam in Saskatchewan. Can we please go back? Well, why are you crapping all over me for Saskatchewan?

No, because I'm just seeing, I don't think you're going to care about it. about this. But can we please go back to Home Whites? The question. There's nothing like a home playoff game. Boy, that's ambitious. With white towels, white jerseys, and only 20 dark shirts in the whole building. You know what the best argument for Home Whites is, you get to see 31 other teams best or color jersey. You know, right now it feels like every team who comes in with white.

You just play the next white opponent. Every game is white versus blue. When you play, when you're white at home, it's different white versus whatever all the time. See, I'm hurt now. because you don't know me. You don't know me. We've been doing this together for five years and you don't know me. I grew up on the white jersey at home.

Home whites. Okay? Yeah. Okay, we found what he likes for a jersey. So I didn't watch the Leafs when they were in the blues, right? And we've seen those because it's the last time they won the Stanley Cup. White is home without a doubt. I'm not still used to seeing the Leafs in dark colors at home.

All right. We're on board. We're on board here. Sold us. So we mentioned this at the end of the end of the lease hour yesterday. And we didn't really hashed out. We had a Brube clip on it. This one's from Lease Fan 101 on X.

How is it possible that one team goes to power play an average of two times per game more than the Toronto Maple Leafs? Who does that? I mean, a lot of teams. They're last drawn penalties every year. Well, not every year, but they're near the bottom. Is it just style of play? Is it that simple?

Do you think it's the city of Toronto related? Like our refs? What does that mean that it's fixed? The referees are in cahoots here to screw the Leafs over? I don't understand that. If I were to put on my tinfoil hat. Yes. Can I put it on?

Yeah. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Babs. That the league and the officials, and listen, I don't believe this, but I'm just putting out what some would believe that they are so afraid to seem pro-Turano Maple Leafs that they zag so far the other way and they get less calls because they don't want to seem pro-leaves.

Who is watching a team in the basement of the Atlantic Division carefully enough to keep an eye on... Toronto play counts. It's just not this year. Okay? Like it's been historically a thing. This is the year. The referees.

should be feeling sorry for the teams or for the Leafs because Leif's not in the playoffs is going to hurt everybody with hockey-related revenue. Right. So everybody loses with the Leafs out of the playoffs and the Rangers. You can clearly say that the Leafs do not get preferred treatment from the NHL between suspensions. Yeah. Referee calls. But I don't think it's a conspiracy.

You would argue that some of the Premier teams and other sports do. Like, for example, there's tons of fans that would say that L.A. Lakers get a ton of calls, that they get more calls. I mean, what have we talked about with the chiefs for five years? Can't touch mall. That they get every single call. Like, it's just... Where you have me is when it comes to suspensions and overthinking and over-analyzing,

that 100% is true when it comes to the Toronto Maple Leafs. But as far as the penalties are concerned... Fast game out there. It's hard to be like, I'm not going to call that. Not for a second, do I believe. they look at the uniform and base their decisions on it. So they must just play a style that is not conducive to drawing penalties. They're not going to the net enough.

I don't even buy that. Like this is Craig Brube. He's dumping chase and hit everything that moves and straight lines. And it's just sheer randomness, which is the most likely answer, I would say. I was talking about the moment we knew Craig was coming in, they're going to be heard a lot more, right? Like, heard a lot more. They should have kept the science director then.

drawing and taking more penalties, but I don't even know if it's style of play. I think it's just one of those where, unfortunately, the stars aren't aligned right now in drawing penalties. A guy in the Penguins is spending for 20 games, Caleb Jones for performance-enhancing drugs.

Yeah. Don't see that very often hockey. Oh, except for Eckblad. And then he came back. It's a shampoo. Bad shampoo. I've never felt better. That actually was an unbelievable.

21 games. go gets suspended for 20 games comes back. I've never felt better. I bet. Quick cycle. Take a look at Florida right now. That guy ain't feeling better right now. They could use some juice right now.

They could juice a little bit right now. This is from Chaplau on X. Everyone is talking about selling these UFCA pieces off, which should absolutely happen. But it's going to be a retool. They need to be looking at some pieces that we could acquire for next season. There isn't a ton in the upcoming UFA class, and Kipper had mentioned Jason Robertson.

Is he still available? The answer is he available? No, because they're trying to win the Stanley Cup. And if you're going to take away a 30, 40 goal score, you're going to have to replace him with a 34 or 30 or 40 goal score. They're not getting rid of Jason Robertson for picks and prospects. So it's not happening. And he's a restricted free agent.

He's not a UFA at the end of the year. It's not like you're going to walk them to another team as early as July. I did find it interesting that Jason and Nick got a new agent. Same agent, right? Same age. Actually, is it their dad? No. No?

No. I think is it Barry? Octagon. Oh, my bad. Maybe it was, I don't know. Let me double check that. Andy Scott. Oh.

Okay. So, interesting enough, Jason's agent now. was the same as Rantaninan. I had reported, I don't know, a month ago that the new number for Jason would have been north of 12 million, which is Rantanin. I'm not, I wouldn't be comfortable if I'm Dallas paying Jason Robertson more than Miko Rantanin. Okay? Right. But could you give him the same?

I think probably. I mean, he's young and has a hundred point season and a 50 goal season. He's in pretty tough to come by those sort of traits in a new cap environment. Andy Scott is a bunch of stars. Oh, yeah. He's got Heiskin and Rantin, Johnson, Ottinger. On Dallas. On Dallas.

That's what I meant. He's got stars. God, he's got a lot of money too. Jesus. It's good business, but it's interesting. So I don't love Robertson. I'm not even sure they really love them too. So there is some time to

Like, let's face it If that guy was available this summer as a UFA Wouldn't the Leafs be all over him? Yeah, I think they'd have no problem Give him 12 and a half or maybe even 13 I thought there might have been a chance That Panarin ends up there and maybe Oh really?

Robertson moves off But the Rangers Dallas would need a lot more of a deal for a much younger player. It also sounds like Panarin is pretty specific with L.A. Like, I don't know the details, but it sounds like you really wanted L.A. at the end of the day. Which I know we'll get to at some point.

I got a tweet from maybe the same guy as the Jersey guy with the whites. But he said that they should pick a date halfway through the year and just switch. So it's like half the year They used to do that in junior Correct me if I'm wrong I believe the NHL told teams To look for opportunities To go color on color

So when you can go blue versus red Go for it Like they did with the Habs and Nordiques Yes Which I Looks weird Like I don't know how many times Nordiques would have worn their blues

Against the Reds It always would have been the Northeast Okay stop It's right I told you I'll put in like 10 15 seconds of my thought But the mere fact That we're still talking about this

You're going to love It's like driving me crazy. No one cares. Oh, they care. People do care. But I will say, well, my 15 seconds of caring. Right.

There's so many texts about Morgan Riley as a forward. How many times do you get this? He's not a forward. How many times? Not a forward. I get this in my mentions. I get this in DMs. I get this five times the text line.

People want to make Morgan Riley a forward. It's like, make gronka linebacker. It's just on the position he plays. How old does he know? He's been in the league. How long has he been in the league? He's not Brent Burns for a late career. I'm embarrassed that I brought this up, but I've got hammered with it for five years,

and I've finally breached my breaking point. I had to bring it up. It's not going to happen ever. He's in a long lineage of Leafs defensemen that people have said they should make it forward. They said Cabralet should be a forward. Said Jake Gardner should be a forward. And now Riley's taking... Anyone who doesn't defend extremely well.

Yeah. Who can we take on the blue forward and make him a defense? That's what I want to know. Backwards up there? I don't see it. If you're going to take a lease full. or to make him a defense would probably be Lotton would be the first pick. Lorenz.

Lawrence. Lawrence. Nice and long. Yeah. Carlo stick going. Yeah, I think my pick would be WWA. Much easier to go D to forward than forward to D though. If you haven't skated backwards your whole life, good luck. How about Nick Robertson just to like a little water bug?

Quinn Hughes, Jr. The good thing about him is he definitely thinks about defense first. Yeah, he's spinning now, he's twisting and turning. He played good again last night. He is a hockey player. But he played Tats. a lot when he was a kid. If they trade him for a third rounder after all this,

I'm actually going to be very upset. Yeah, if they trade him now, he's insane. Yeah. Like, we've worked him to this. Yeah. He is effective now. Yeah. Keep him.

All right, boys. Just like that. Halfway through. Any more Jersey talk? No, no more Jersey talk. For the rest of the year. Yorkie and Charlie O'Connor from Philly. Drama.

Wow. We're going to get a little Philly talk, eh? Yeah. All right, that story won't go away. And then Jason, your co-host of coming in hot with the Sends podcast is up next. Our thanks to all of you who contributed to McKee's midweek mailbag. Plenty more on the Panarin trade to Los Angeles as we go national next on the Real Kipper and Bourne Show.