Real Kyper & Bourne - Leafs Hour: High Spirits in Sunrise

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee look ahead to Game 3 between the Leafs and Florida Panthers as the second-round series flips from Toronto to Sunrise. They get into the Leafs' mindset going into the game, secondary scoring delivering, Chris Tanev's impact on the overhauled blue line and whether the wear and tear of Florida's playoff past is catching up to them. Later, they answer your calls and questions on the Leafs Line!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Welcome back to the real Kipper and born show. The sun's out, patios open. JB and I golfed yesterday and the Leafs are up to nothing against the Florida Panthers. Friday in the second round. Nick Kiprio's Justin born Sammy McKee, Derek Brandale, Jen Roll Nick in what's going on over here? Oh, yeah, I forgot to change it to the leafs I like that. There's like the public shaming of doing it in real time as the shows on the air Do you think he does it on purpose just to get more like Just to get more people to I think send them a message that don't be dumb change the jersey. I do like that we get to change the jersey say oh we got one camera over there at the jersey spot. This is incredible wow you got our cool little pocket in the studio.

Oh my gosh. That's so cool. So as they can see if you go back to the jerseys, you can see XL medium, boy, small like infants. It's a pretty cool pocket though. Maternity ward. I just left the jersey on the chance. We got a onesie in there.

Probably. Probably a hot start. All right. Sammy, you good? We got a onesie in there Probably hot start. All right, Sammy you good. Yeah, I am good. I'm really good. I'm really good game day Toronto Maple Leafs get to try to do something that Hasn't happened since what? 1948 back-to-back three nothing starts in a Stanley Cup playoffs They they are not favored to win tonight I haven't heard a whole lot of people saying I like the Leafs in game three that hasn't come up yet I know we'll get into that in game

day but like I don't get that totally agree I don't I don't understand how Florida could be favorites if you've truly watched the first two games. Massive favorites. Okay, if you want to tell me they're a slight favorite, I can live with that. Massive. Somebody's not watching closely. I agree. There's a chance you get a Joseph Wall game at any point.

There's also the idea, do we know about Florida's health? Is that a healthy team over there like it's ain't Marie said he's not sure Sammy that there's game time decisions is that right I don't know if I put the clip in because it wasn't exactly the most yeah but he just said that there's multiple game time decisions heading into tonight okay when I think George Richards asked him about the lineup or whatever and he said yeah so that could be any number of guys mm-hmm I don't know I mean I think a lot of People are hypothesizing about Matthew Kachuk hasn't looked like himself through the first two games has been injured throughout the year

I think it's a pretty easy one to kind of point to but I'm pretty sure in the final two years ago He played with a broken sternum if I'm not mistaken. He's not one to play. I mean he also you know cost his team a Championship at the four Nations by being selfish and playing in that game. So we'll see what happens. Well, wherever you are watching, listening, Sportsnet 590, the fans, Sportsnet 360, Sportsnet Plus, welcome into our Leaf Edition Hour,

the Real Kipper and Bourne show. The pressure has to be clearly on Florida here. Want to hear from Paul Maurice on the pressure? We'll start with Paul Maurice on where his team is going back home down to nothing. There's just the composure of the situation, whether you're up to or down to in a game, let alone a series, the game still has to be played and has to be played intelligently and at a high level. So as pressure mounts, whether the team is trying to close out or the team is trying to close back, you just want to make sure that you're not trying to hit a home run on

every time you touch the puck. That's a good message, I think. Can't win game three on the first shift But you can lose the series or lose the game pretty early in the game fall behind a few so The one thing that I I feel is really going in the favor of the Leafs tonight is that We saw much better Florida Panther team in game two and yet it didn't overly phase the Leafs. So I can't imagine a team this team or Brendan Shanahan's team over the past nine or ten years ever feeling as good as they

feel right now. And you know I think there's been over the years with this Corps where they feel like there is a chance to let their foot off the gas at times, that they have been very more than willing to do that in certain spots. So I think tonight is going to be a very interesting test, you know, I Scott Lawton talked today He had a couple things to say but I I didn't cut the clip of him talking about it But he just said basically like we have to be desperate. They're gonna be desperate

We have to match their sort of desperation and I'll be interesting to see that's easy thing to say But to go into Florida with the defending champs down to oh if they can Truly match the desperation of the Florida Panthers game because it's gonna be it's gonna be a madhouse there okay let's go to Craig Berube on what he expects to see out of the defending Stanley Cup champions well I mean a lot of the same that we've seen already I think you know we know how they play and the way they want to play I don't think they're gonna change a whole lot

I mean, it's gonna be they're at home. So it's a little different animal, but Expect a lot of the same your team is one thing we have in this in our sheet here our lineup from Sammy is that Florida is looking to become the seventh straight team. Is that right? The seventh straight win. Seventh straight win from a defending champion that's down to nothing in the playoffs the next year. So anytime the defending Stanley Cup champion has gone down to nothing, they've won six times in game three in a row.

So just goes to show teams that are experienced, that have talent, that have been through it all. Don't just go down to nothing. Go, well, I guess we're cooked. You know, you're going to get a legitimate push and Peruvian knows that and everyone's, I think, relatively prepared for it. One thing I feel good about with the Leafs chances is if they're keeping it close, again, it's a win. This is a win for them if they're able to hang around and just kind of be in the game

late. They have the best winning percentage in one goal games in the NHL regular season and playoffs at 800 winning percentage in games in one goal games. So yeah, you just can't, you know, when you go into these playoffs, there's these first couple, you know, the first one at home in every series for the team, you have to say weather the storm,

weather the storm, that's always like the saying. And remember what happened in game three in Ottawa, the Leafs really got caved in, but they didn't let any really high danger chances and whatever and they built into that game. This is not the Ottawa Senators we're talking about, clearly, but they're gonna have to have the same sort of game plan.

Like I think there's a world where the first 10 minutes tonight is not pretty for the Toronto Maple Leafs. And they're gonna need a couple big saves out of Joseph Wall. They're gonna need their decore to really just, you know, hold their gaps, be themselves. But if you can survive that initial push not being down two nothings, keeping it close,

you're in this game. You've been in the games, you've played well against them. I don't think the fear factor is gonna be there like it has been in years past. I think the first two games alleviated so much of a fear factor including this persona that this is a very big mean team right and it's kind of I'm not saying it's gone

but it's it's gone down a couple of notches here. And Sam Bennett bumps, stole ours, which got a ton of attention, but there was no carry over. There was no Sam Bennett fear in game two. There was nothing out of Kachuk. And once you get past those two guys, I'm not sure like where else you would feel like this team's going to steamroll or run over anybody including now the Leafs.

Yeah. Well, let's listen. We have Paul Maurice talking about Kachuk and Bennett. Just on that point about Bennett, he took one hit in game two. He threw a hit? No, took one. Oh. So it's like not only did they... They didn't chase him around. They didn't do anything to him. They just, they listened to their coach and they were disciplined with him. So go ahead there, Porni. We're just calling for clip five. Paul Maurice clip five on Kachuk and Bennett. Paul, what are you seeing from that Kachuk-Bennett combination? Is there

anything in particular they can do to elevate to get the offense flowing? I'm really not particularly concerned about our offense. Sam Bennett going into the series was our leading goal scorer. We went out on the road, scored 4 and scored 3. We would expect to win both those games on those numbers based on the way that we play the game. Offense is not where our focus needs to be. Yeah, I'm not sure I just agree with that. Yeah. Especially with Reinhardt, one of the best goal scorers the last few years. And he has not been a factor in this thing. Verhege hasn't. And I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but the Matthews, Marner, and Nyes line

has outscored the Barkov, Verhege, Bennett line, if I'm not mistaken, 4-1, which the one Barkov goal was a power play. So, you know, I know there's people that want to still squeeze more out of Matthews and Marner. And of course, you know, when you when you look at the big picture, yeah, the numbers aren't as well as they'd like. But Marner assists on Nice's game winning goal, and then scores a game-winning goal in game two. I mean they're they're doing it they're doing a pretty good job here

although it's not pretty to say how great they are defensively shutting down that that line. Yeah I think it's at even strength it's three nothing I think three. Yeah four one overall it makes sense so that's yeah you know they're winning their matchup. If every line wins their matchup, you stand up and applaud. Which leaves what's behind them. And that's where, again, Patcheretti, Domi, right? And of course, Willie's sprinkled in there for sure, but like Lawton, they are winning this series for the Leafs. It does feel like, you know, if it all goes right for the Leafs, there's like, there's

a Lawton goal in here. He's been involved. He's made people miss. He's in Marchand's grill. Like there's, and Lorenz like there's there's moments to come here You're gonna get another minimum four games out of this Toronto Maple Leafs team. So it's really exciting You know, it's crazy Kip is we'll end this hour today And when we show back up on Monday for the next show the series could be over It could be 2-2 it could be over. But either way, there's a lot to come here in this upcoming weekend and I People are excited man. Everyone I run into has changed their tone from ah, they don't have it to hey Do they have it even the skeptics? I was telling you boys

This is what kipper was talking about the training wheels and you got mad at me yesterday I thought to a lot of people the guard rails are being lowered here the bumper bowl is starting to graduate to regular bowl There's got to do the gutters are around. I'm telling you like Yeah, they're gone because if you lose now you're in the gutter. Yeah gutter. Yeah, but like I Just I do think that there is some real belief in the city, which yes is pretty good It's nice and it's deserved and you know what else been fun is they've led in game so it hasn't the games haven't been as dread-filled as maybe some previous years absolutely all right let's get let's get Craig Bruby's thoughts on the tan of effect as

well because this really thing this this whole thing is right from the get-go been built from the net on out well it huge. I think you know our team has really fed off that side of what he brings to the table night in and night out throughout the year with you know all our D have done a really good job of blocking shots and being strong at the net front so and he's definitely a guy we brought in here that has made a living out of that. And it's really rubbed off on our team, in my opinion. Highly important. Oh, I don't think we talked about it in Leafs talk.

We didn't talk about it on this show the next day. When he got hurt, whatever happened to him last game, like their season flashed before my eyes. Yeah, that was, I believe I texted maybe just you boring like or maybe the group chat Anyone else anyone else anyone like literally be the goalie be Matthews Marner. Just don't be Kristana Kristana's Importance to this team and listen that was a weird hit and it was one that like Who was it that got him early in the year that knocked him out for a little while where he got twisted up against the boards and his arm came off hanging. It

looked like a very similar play where he got twisted up and yeah that was every time he crunches in the boards. I cringe for the shoulder separation. What's happening in there? Yeah, it's not pretty. No, like I'm sure the doctor puts him through an imaging machine goes dude. Yeah, Jason Smith's like whoa brother like you need You need to relax. Yeah The biggest change for me on that blue line and we can go back on conversations that they don't have a bonafide number one and Blah blah blah blah blah, but today it looks like they've got like, at worst three number twos.

Three number twos. Like Simone Benoit right now to me could fit in on the top four on a lot of teams. I bet if you offered a lot of teams, you can swap this guy in for one of your guys. Benoit, Ekman, Larson are the best third pair

right now. In playoffs, yeah. In the playoffs. Yeah. Bar none. And I mean, you know, we made a joke, so Sheldon Keefe was let go a year ago today. Is that right, Sammy? A year ago today, Sheldon Keefe was fired. We're having a very different show one year ago today my friends. Very different show and Sammy said like I can't, I love that we're doing a show or something

today. And I just said with all due respect you know to Sheldon, I bet if you subbed in Carlo and Tanev for, do you remember what the third pair was last year? The Lily Pad. Lily Pad. Was it Lily Pad? What did he play? I can't remember.

Might have been out, He might have been scratched. Edmondson was involved. A lot of LeBouchkin involved. TJ Brody. Yeah. TJ Brody got scratched too. So who the hell played? I don't know. I got to go back. Connor Timmons. I don't know.

This is what I was saying. It's like those D are the difference to me. Yes, the coach has done great and all that, but like at least D is just better. Flat out better. And it just constantly looks steady and the same. Like there's no dips. I know sometimes they can spend some time in their own zone,

but they, a lot of times they sort it out. Yeah. And I do think that that realization is what's freed up Morgan Riley to go a little bit more. He just knows that go go gadget Carlo back there has got the long reach and he can disrupt plays. So in that game, the leading ice time for defenseman last year game seven Morgan Morgan, Jake McCabe, Simone Benoit played 2028 in that game.

Third most is Benoit. Labushkin 1938 Joel Edmondson 17, Timothy Lillagren, 1507. There you go. So you swap out Lillagren, LaBouchkin, and Edmondson for Carlo, Tanev, and Echman-Larson. Yeah, no wonder they're better. Aw, real brain buster here. Standing o for tree living on the overhaul of the decor.

That's the biggest change. Yeah, absolutely. Marchand stuff? Marchand stuff. So, really good last game. Scores in the... Or sorry, had two assists in the first game. It was the first time he's ever played the Leafs in the playoffs and had two points

and lost. And the first time he's ever scored against Leafs in playoffs and lost. Really? Yeah. I know that hurts. Leafs in the playoffs and had two points and lost and the first time he's ever scored against Leafs in playoffs and lost Really? Yeah. Oh, I know that hurts but he's an anchor He's looking to go five and oh against the Leafs in the playoffs in his career So, I mean he's had a lot of success against a lot of success. So why don't we listen to? The Craig Borubi the Craig Borubi one's really funny. Let's listen that one Marshawn Sherpik Yeah, Craig picking up on that obviously Marshawn's a guy who likes to talk on the ice lot was just telling us he likes that too Do you do you mind that or would you prefer him to stay away from

engaging with Martian like verbally in between stuff? I don't I don't really care. Like, just talk. He's really exposing how basic this all is. I really did a part with scalpels and he's like, what do we I don't really care. Yeah The only thing left is for brew. We just to whoever asked that question. So that's there's yeah, don't worry about it Yeah, just just go Know the game well enough to go that deep right now on whether it's good or bad or different Just leave them alone. Let them do whatever they want to do. Just leave them alone. There you go. That's it

Just leave them alone. Don't worry about it, buddy. How do you feel about the chirping? I don't care What do you do with willy? I just leave alone That's the bottom line Pros they're pros don't worry about it. Where did we get a stone called Ruby Drop? They're pros. They're pros. Don't worry about it. They're grown adults. Yeah.

But I really, I mean, on the one year anniversary of Sheldon Keefe being fired, it really is the exact opposite approach. For sure it is. It really is. And I guess that's what you do after a while. You try one approach and then you go for the opposite or whatever. Like it's not, try not to crap on Keefe, but it's just, it's totally different. This is where, Craig, and I played with a lot of guys,

been around a lot of guys early in my career that have gone and done other things, either in management, coaching, all of it. You do see this evolution of development from them to go from that stage of their lives to and the tendency is to try to look the part sound the part come across like you've got the secret sauce or you know what's right and wrong and perfect about the game. That's not Barube, right? Most often it's ego too, right?

And this guy's got no ego. He's literally telling you you're making too big of a deal out of something that won't really matter when the chips are down. And that's that simple. It's just talk. Yeah. He is not, he's not telling you

that that's gonna make or break the series or that's an integral part or we're working on something and I don't like it or I like it, he's just, he's like, you can be around the game for 100 years, I don't know. I don't know if it's good or bad and it's just it is what it is and that's what they do and Let's go out and play. This is something though that I've kind of learned being around people who have accomplished a lot and are genuinely confident with themselves whether it's Yourself or my father-in-law Clark Gillies or we know we play had the

Privilege to play with BXA the other day or Craig Berube. These guys don't need to prove to you how smart they are. They're okay to say, I don't know. They don't know detail. They don't need to show. Yeah, like, it's okay. It's a show of confidence to me to just be like, not sure. You know, I don't know. Who cares? Yeah, we don't have all the answers. We're just doing the best we can.

But if by chance, Mike Babcock was still around, he probably could get 20 minutes out of that question to him. I think that's a very valid observation. Very fair. Yeah. I would agree. Yeah. I would agree.

And it's like, Craig's like, no, no. Next question, please. So the reason he asked that question is they talked to Lotton about it. And Lotton gave this answer on chirping with Marshawn. Lotton, clip one, please. Yeah, we've gone at it quite a bit throughout my career. So, yeah, it's nice. I think it gets your, well, for myself gets you into the game a little bit.

And yeah, it's good. Is he mowing the lawn during that interview? Yeah the skate sharpener is like oh they're doing the interviews. The interview time. But it is true some guys really can engage in that sort of stuff and it makes you more aware of your game or attention to detail and it works and we've all played with two or three of those guys where it's like they don't feel right unless they are chirping or engaged in like a meaningful kind of who gets the

last word in. Yeah, it is fun. I played with Michael Haley. I don't remember him. He had a cup of coffee. He was, he was like, in yeah, it is fun. I played with Michael Haley remember him. He had a He was he was like Islander right? Yeah, and he was like left wing left shot. Yeah and Yeah, one of those guys is just like, you know was able to do better when he get in it Yeah, I I think they're just kind of a quick lot and thought get your guys take on it now the further we've gotten away from the trade deadline and

What was given up to get him has been obviously really good for him And I'm gonna tell you outside game one against Florida I think I've I've really loved him and I think he's been great on the kill I think I've I've really loved him and I think he's been great on the kill Laying his body on the line not afraid to be physical all that stuff just you know Pacing Evan Rodriguez getting him to flop in that play there I just I think he's been a really crucial bottom six guy for this team and kind of exactly as advertised You know, I'm gonna shoot it in once or twice, but I really liked them What's really been surprising to me is he's not slow There's the first five games with the Leafs

I was like oh no like he can't get around but he was just hesitating and now that he's not and he's playing more Free he gets around nice. He makes a couple of moves in the blue on entries that I like Good line that he's playing on watching him play off. Yeah. Yeah 22 23 minutes into our show already no mention of Joseph Wall starting in game three It's a major storyline that uh stole ours did make the trip down to florida didn't go Matt murray's down there No real worry here with Joseph Wall going in you mentioned Bobrowski Listen if brought if if goalie bob does not step up

This series is over bob's had some stinkers I know he got his cup and whatever but he's had some playoff stinkers over the years and they need him and We saw Maurice. I don't say call them out, but at least openly observe that they need more from him All right. Let's go to Paul Maurice on his ability to bounce back goalie Bob He's just trained for this whole life for it. He's not an emotional Player he's not I don't think he can play as long as he that if you ride that Rollercoaster up and down. He's even keel. He's got a routine

That that he has faith in and he'll just stick with it because he's had games. In the playoffs last year, he was almost pretty consistent. He'd have a game he didn't like. I thought his game two was very, very good. He made all the saves, didn't see the one, it's a knuckler. There's no pre-scout for that, so it just goes in. So I really liked his game and that's the trend for him. He's found a way to come back and be really solid.

He just has a foundation and he doesn't come off his foundation. So the end result, whether he had a shutout in the first series and was the dominant player on the ice in my mind in that game because they were pushing real hard. Yeah, that's a very coachly thing to start. Pumptom up the confidence a little bit on game day. You worried about wall at all? But you know where I stand, I wanted him to come in earlier. What is game one of the first? I just wanted him to come in and bring in some fresh energy.

Not that it was absolutely like a cry for it, but it was just based on what I saw out of Stolar. So I thought he was capable of doing exactly what we saw in game two. And I think he's got a chance to even feel more comfortable on the road. I like him. I like him on the road. Yeah. I like him on the road. I've seen him steal games before on the road, single-handedly, and he's got that type of game in him. That if it's, to your point, Sammy,

where you gotta weather the storm in the first 10 or 12 minutes, this guy will be the reason why. Playoff career for Joseph Wohl, in relief, he's got a 83 save percentage and in starts he's got a 939 save percentage These are small samples. He's only started five games and relief for two or three But you know, he's done well when he's been able to prepare for the game. You're going into Florida You know what you're in for?

feel pretty good about it, but just on the Bobowski thing, and it's kind of more of a greater point about the Florida Panthers. And listen, this could be a look dumb after tonight. Is there a conversation about the amount of hockey they've played in the past few years? You know, you had a clip yesterday that we never played. I don't know if Derek's able to find it, but it was Paul Maurice talking about last year

and asking about being tired. Maybe it was Eklat, no, it was Maurice, right? Where they basically said, is there something to the idea that you guys are tired? And I think he said, oh, Derek's got it. Yes, you guys are pros. It might be some people look at an O2 hole and say, well, a lot of hockey the last two years,

but you had a break for the playoffs, had a break between rounds. Yeah, well, I would respond to that. We haven't used that. I don't know what, today was seventh game in about three weeks. Like, it's half the schedule that we like to have. It's not, it's half the schedule that we're used to playing

coming into the playoffs. So, that's not an. It's half the schedule that we're used to playing coming into the playoffs. So That's not an issue for us So Marie says it's it's seven games in three weeks says Maurice. I don't know what I had for breakfast Yeah, it's half the schedule that we're used to playing coming into the playoffs. So That's not an issue for us. I don't like that the question I I don't like the question I I don't buy it really to be honest with you and I Know it's rare that teams

today's teams go three consecutive Stanley Cup finals mm-hmm But and I know it's rare, it's rare to win consecutive, it's rare to do that, but when it was done in the 70s or 80s and I'll go to your dad's teams, okay, it's like they've won four in a row.

Four in a row is crazy. And they went to the final of the 50s. So while they're halfway through it, did anybody go up to them on a loss and go, you know, those first two, like go back to your dad and anyone on the Montreal Canadiens in the 70s or your 80s, or even the Oilers,

and go ask them after the first six games in the middle of this you know stretch are you guys tired feeling a little bit like they would look at you like you got like three heads yeah so yeah does it doesn't matter if we're tired um I am tired I'm a trained athlete this is what I do for a living this is what we live for this is the height we're trying to be do something historic here don't ask me if I'm tired here's Aaron Ekblad on the same question we've recuperate in weeks not years right he says so recovery happens day to day I don't think that's gonna go

into the Stanley Cup final puts you in a hole whatsoever we still had two full months of rest that's not a notion we buy into we stay in good shape It's not an issue. I'm I mean he's he's took he's very Yeah, you might even say he's in the best shape of his life for some reason I don't know what it is the motivation for them to go to another Stanley Cup final and and and start separating your Stanley Cup final and start separating yourself from being just another team that won to one that you're going to maybe remember a lot more. How is that curtailing your energy? So to answer my question, Kipper, you don't think it's a problem?

No. You don't think it's a problem No, I think I think the Leafs for checks a problem. I think the Leafs blue line is a problem for them and Maybe wall might be a problem for them tonight quick thing I'm not the amount of games that they played. Yeah, nine the Leafs D have been on nine straight goals For the Leafs if they were in on the next one, it would be a franchise playoff record. That's crazy. What a flip from the regular season where they didn't get anything. Nothing.

What was the Ruby clip on resting? Well just On his team? Basically he got asked, play the clip and we can talk about it after. But it's clip five, Ruby. Craig, the way you guys play obviously demands a lot of the players, the shot blocking, the We can talk about it after. But it's clip five, Ruben. Craig, the way you guys play obviously demands a lot of the players, the shot blocking, the physical play. What do you tell them to do between games?

Like how do you instruct them to gear up so that they keep being able to do it? Yeah, I mean, rest is important, we know that. I think, you know, the day in between the games is a time to get away from it a little bit and rest. I don't think you need to wrap your head around the game on the day in between the games is the time to get away from it a little bit and rest. I don't think you need to wrap your head around the game on the day off. I think it's good to get away and get emotionally ready again, physically, you know, on the mental side of it too. So, you know, we try to stress of just good job tonight, it's over with.

Get away from it for a day and rest up because, you up because we're back at it again and we need it tonight. Can you rest between, like, are you, were you able to shut it off between games like that? Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, you go to a movie, you go, yeah, you hang out, yeah. Yeah, you do stuff that can completely take you away for 10, 12 hours of nothing, not think about it.

But I will also say this, that this time of year, your training staff is absolutely paramount. Physio treatment, stretching, all of it. Like, there's five or six of these athletic trainers there that are behind the scenes right now, working with the guys individually, you know, acupuncture. You do whatever you need to do to keep the body going and limber and it's, people would love it on a daily basis. I can tell you that.

You'd feel a lot better if you had what these guys had at their disposal. Post game that like our post game, it's actually pretty remarkable to see the work guys do after a game, right? Riding bikes and stretching and the amount of work that goes into feeling- Flushing the lactic acid out.

So you're telling me they don't have two tall cans of Coors Light in the hot shower and like yell at each other for They do okay, okay still do The rest of it we're talking about okay, okay, okay? That's why I recover after a grueling game all right, Sammy I do a little break and we'll come back to the leaseline Some calls for us. A few gems today, bud. How many will tell me that the show should be called The Real Sammy and Bourne Show?

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Be sure to subscribe and download Jays talk on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to our leaf our edition of our program Nick Kipper Hills Justin Bourne Sammy McKee and now Sammy we get to hear from before we hear from our beloved listeners Leaf Nation before we hear from them some breaking news from uh my favorite it's not that breaking 17 minutes ago from scouting the refs my favorite uh website uh Wes McCauley is ref in the game tonight. Yeah but Sheldon's no longer here so it's a non-issue. Oh it's less of an issue. The cuts are way too deep. I'm gonna tell you right now get ready for some ref blaming tonight the fans

hate this guy hate this guy he is in their crosshairs I'm telling ya between the embellishment call and maybe a miss tripping call And over time I guess in Vegas It is very Canadian friendly right now. Yeah for sure and they had to bring in a guy to change that Let's go to the least line the least line is brought to you by Mascota Bay Resort a top 10 ranked Canadian course part of the freed golf Network fellas. All right, let's start fellas. Alright, let's start with Luke in Canmore. You may remember I called a few months back about everyone ragging on Morgan Riley, saying that after they all said that they would never rag on him again because he's always good

in the playoff. And I don't know. I think he's been pretty good in the playoffs so far. So I don't mean to say a total so but I might have a total so so yeah, I just want to hear what you boys think of him and yeah, maybe this will be the final time there will ever be Morgan Riley slander. So yeah, anyways, boys love the show. Go Leafs go.

A toe to sell is my favorite Ricky ism from Trail of Fire boys. A toe to sell. It's a high end Ricky ism. That there are many. There's a million. Yeah. One man's garbage is another man's ungarbage is very good.

A lot of them are safer radio. What do you want to start on Morgan? I'm going to say that it's really nice to not get a call that suggests Morgan Riley should be a forward. That's how you know Riley's playing well when they're not suggesting he play forward. I think we mentioned the first half hour that the D has made him feel more comfortable defensively allowing him to jump. A deeper blue line that kind of insulates him a little bit better than past years. Everyone talked about Carlo coming in

and what it would do for him and it's come to fruition because he is a lot better, a lot more comfortable. Scored a big goal in this series already. Three points already in this series, right? Although, you know, one that, Bobrovsky, that's one of those goals where you're like, that just can't go in when you see it

and you need a big safe No, it's a good shot. It's a good shot, but you you know you that's usually one of those where I'm on you want Yes, exactly like, you know, like we said before sometimes in Paul Marie said it, you know The the seeing I ones that find a way to get to the net through traffic through bodies I ones that find a way to get to the net through traffic through bodies But Morgan's been great, but that whole blue line, like I said, there's no There's no drop-off between one and six It's also nice that I don't watch him on the power play and go move it move it move it and just freak out pass Shoot no shoot shoot what he should pass

I think too is there's times when I haven't liked it when they've slowed things down and Morgan, for the longest time, I'm like, he needs to play faster. He needs to look like he's quicker and faster. And now it's getting to the point where they've got that perfect temperament where if they do slow it down,

they're still finding the right guy. It's not necessarily the 80 foot pass across the ice anymore. They're finding shorter ways to break the puck out. And it's helped Morgan, no question. It has. So there you go I think he's been good and he was plus three in the first and he's plus fourth of the first two games of this series so that's a far cry from what we saw in the

regular season let's go to John and Milton please Derek John and Milton. Okay. John's very quiet. John, uh... What happened to John? I don't know. Let's play John Doe from Parts Unknown. Perhaps it is...

The question is that, you know, I've been a long time Leaf fan now for you know, since I was knee-high Anyways getting back to it. The question is, you know about the goaltender situation and hitting on the goaltenders I'm just wondering why you know Aaron Echblad didn't get a Penalty call for running wall in the last game when he came back from his already previous suspension You know what all the looks of, uh, you know, go tenor interference, especially after what happened with Stollers, you know, I'm just curious and why, you know, he wouldn't have at least got a go tenor interference penalty and he looked like he ran him pretty good, but anyways,

can't buck the good work boys. And, uh, yeah, you know, the rough bring kind of needs to change a little bit, I guess. Well it is, cause we're always playing tonight. Yeah, John does have a point here. Rot and play. For sure. Yeah, I don't know, was he kind of reaching for a puck?

He's able to claim that he's making a play as he drives recklessly into the crease. Yeah This is what drives you crazy about the Florida Panthers is because they are good but they they do resort to this stuff and I Guess that's what good teams do but it's just it's Gracie man No, I just I feel like because they won the cup people got this like image of the Panthers is this supremely because they won the cup. People got this like image of the Panthers as this supremely talented offensive team

or something like that. Like they greased out a two one game seven win over the Oilers, right? They fought and clawed for every inch. There weren't many series where people are like, Florida is a way better team. They just earned a Stanley Cup last year. And so this team has to do that.

Like they have to have some other element. They're not just gonna outscore the Leafs. I think too, there's just a certain level of acceptance from the NHL that there's gonna be bumps. There's gonna be some traffic and we're okay with it. And if we need to take a look at it When a puck goes in the net we will and we're not scared to disallow a goal but if it's

If it's play on his play on a lot of play on right now Yeah, and I that's the way they want to portray their hockey some people like it. Some people don't portray their hockey. Some people like it, some people don't. But it is the way they want their NHL. Yeah, but two elbows to the two goalies heads within two games. The elbow in the head though. Tried. Didn't succeed. That succeeded. Yeah, you don't get suspended for trying. I'm not saying you should get suspended here. I'm just saying they're greasy and they're trying to hurt the goalies. Yeah. The one thing I also push back on the people as they say, the standard changes for you know, what's a Yeah. The one thing I also push back on the people as they say, the standard changes for you know, what's a penalty. I disagree. I think the standards kind

of the same. There's just so much more of it. Everyone's so much more physical. One thing we haven't talked about on the show, and I don't have the stats on me right now to back it up, but Mitch Marner has thrown so many hits in playoffs. I want to say he was game one, he had five, five, he had three last last game and it was the same in round one Like I don't know how many I know you don't want to be that no no But my point is everyone is definitely your physical point because it's not Egregious it's not noticeable it he gets no credit for it. Yeah, well, they're not bruising hits They're not bruising hits. They're not bruising hits.

My point is that everyone is doing more of that. So you can't call penalties every time you turn around. The refs are just trying to let him play hockey. Let's go to John and Milton now. The loss transpired this week from the Sam Bennett stole ours incident. Paul Maurice's comments in the media bombardment. My questions based on my observations are,

do you think the media has played their part in getting under the skin of the Panthers players and coach Paul Maurice? And B, based on years past, the Toronto media can pile under the leaves and make matters worse, especially in the playoffs. Do you see a world where the media can in any way help this team get over the hump?

Go Leagues, go boys. Thanks for taking the question. Cheers. Well, first off, it's not the media's job to do that That's that's not but some of them do it. Anyways, they do it but that's not I do think and I don't know really how to say this without Getting I do think that there's a lot of people that have ourselves included at times dined out on the Leafs failing And that there's a lot of people that don't know how to cover this era of Leafs hockey With them potentially succeeding and that like defaulting to ghosts, which I do defaulting to the negative is there

And listen, I i'm I can be as negative as the next person But I genuinely want them to succeed probably more than a lot of people do Yeah, I just I do think- majority of them are bleeds deep down fans. I don't know if I agree. If it bleeds it leads, Biden. I think a lot of people kind of want the failure. There's also a selfish part that like if they do well, I do well. Sure, sure. I mean that's for us. I mean we would love to go, I would love them to go deep because it's the thing outside my family and friends I care the most about so I would like to go them far, but it's great for the show. It's great for business It's great for business, but the way it's covered you agree that like a lot of people but dumping on them

It's great for business Well, I think it's easier to talk about a failing because you can point to this you can point to that when they're doing well It's tough to sit here. You go. They should just keep doing that It's a fundamental sports, but hold on the one thing I think is relevant here is we played the clip from Patrick Alveen today talking about PD and JT and he's at a season ticket holder meeting or whatever. And he's talking about how that was always there for them, but they were winning in the past.

And so when you're winning, a lot of stuff is a lot easier to deal with. And so I think if you're a team that's playing the Leafs and it's going badly, a lot of stuff is a lot easier to deal with. And so I think if you're a team that's playing the Leafs and it's going badly, a lot of the media pressure feels worse. You can handle the media when you're winning, when it's going good, but right now they're in their locker room going, boy, you can't get to the Leafs. What's going on? I think it would really start to wear out. This is the most powerful media market in the world for hockey. Yeah, right. No, but and when when there's a suspension Particularly south of the border the league does not react In a way where you need to react

Unfortunately for them in a Toronto market. Yeah, right. It's a different beast fans Right? It's a different beast. Which drives we fans insane. It's a different beast. And they can play a part. I don't know specifically, like, you know, we don't have time to really get into it, but there's a swale, right? Every time there's a big storyline and it can move the needle. Yeah. And the players feel it, management feels it, officials feel it, league office feels it, and it's just the way it is in this market.

It's just death by a thousand cuts, and when the Leafs are under pressure, it makes it harder. And I also think when you're up, it puts a lot on Maurice asking, answering all these questions He's usually having a great time with the Toronto media. It doesn't sound very fun as of today They've they've they've got them on their side right now. Let's go to Pam from the Sioux Hey Kip JB and Danny McKee Pam from Saint Marie, that's right Paul Maurice's hometown, but we don't want him bringing the cup here

Huge family bloodline Elise fans My husband even got me out of a vulnerable moment after I had my second son and still under the effects of anesthesia And he is now has the middle name of Gilmore. That's right after Dougie Gilmore Sammy I feel your anxiety watching the least is because I'm exactly the same way. I literally have to go in a different room and plug my ears at some point to the game. It's like my mom. But Coach Berube has this team dialed in right now

and it's so nice to see. Right now I feel like Jim Carrey from Dumb and Dumber with the tagline, so you're telling me there might be a chance. My husband started to watch the show daily and now I'm hooked on it. And honestly, I think it might have been a bromance between him and Sammy. I'm cool with that. Kipper, I'm with you.

Not ready to take the training wheels off yet. JB, keep being the mediator and keep those boys grounded and don't let Kipper bully our Sammy. Anyways, you guys do an amazing job. Love watching your show go Leafs go Pay, thank you Pam's a parent and I'm a parent on this show with Sammy too. Yeah, okay We have time for one more quick one Jane Doe from parts unknown Die hard Leafs fan here absolutely love your show. I predict Leafs will win in five.

How do I know this? It's because of my sacrifice. My lucky chair. Months ago, I purchased a secondhand chair because I liked the aesthetics of it, only to bring it home and find out it is the most incredibly uncomfortable piece of furniture in the world.

The last game the Leafs played since, I sat in it, they won. So now I'm thinking, this is the lucky Leafs chair. So I sat in it, they won. So now I'm thinking this is the lucky Leafs chair. So I've been sitting in it over and over and they've been winning. Sitting in it may sound like an easy task but with my neuropathic pain it is quite challenging. The springs poke me in strange places I don't even want to talk about and I'm pretty sure it's urine I smell and it is not mine. But it

has now been branded as Leafs lucky. I'll take one for the team if it helps. There's always more physiotherapy What a fan won't go through for their team to win. Go Leafs go easy on the darts Sammy Don't hurt yourself No, Jane, don't do it. It is amazing all the millions of fans out there and they think that their actions right? Don't have no keeper. They don't think they do they really believe that they somehow can Affect the outcome all of their energies together are the harmony is what's helping this team across the line Oh, is it you can't can't be a disturbance to the force. All right, boys.

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