Real Kyper & Bourne - Leafs Hour: Jackets Zip Up Buds + True or False

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee look back on the Leafs' 5-1 loss to the Columbus Blue Jackets at home. They discuss the Leafs' effort in the loss, Ryan Reaves finally dropping the gloves, Auston Matthews' comments on the Toronto crowd, Morgan Rielly's continued struggles, Matthew Knies' injury and Dennis Hildeby's rough night. Later, they get into Craig Berube's decision to pull the goalie with nine minutes left in the game and Joseph Woll's comments on getting the night off. Finally, Nick, Justin and Sam play a Leafs' themed game of True or False!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

All right, let's get her going. It's the real kipper and born show leaf edition hour. Nick Kiprio is Justin born Sammy McKee, Derek Brandeo and Jake the snake Schultz with you for the next two hours. Why are you giving me the hairy eyeball there over there Sammy? You good? Oh good, buddy. Okay. All right. All right Okay Continue Continue wherever you're watching listening sports at 590 the fans sports that 360 sports that plus we're glad you're aboard Adam fantastic 360 Sports Step Plus. We're glad you're aboard. Adam, fantastic. Led the charge last night for the Columbus Blue Jackets, him and his family enjoying, did he have 80 of them there?

That was pretty cool. I was thinking, I don't know that I could, there's no place I could go that that many people would come see me do anything, I don't think. I don't think my wedding, we had to bribe people to come. people he paid to play last night isn't that what he said Yeah that's a terrible deal His hat trick defeated the toronto maple leafs 5-1 last night and a game where i Think we still heard some positive things out of the toronto maple leafs Was it as positive as a 5-1 loss can kind of not look like?

You know, you can take last night a number of ways and I was tempted to come in here today and push some of the glasses up the bridge of my nose and say, well actually, they played pretty darn well and they outshot them. They had the possession time and high danger chances were 24-11 and they got smoked. They lost four, five-one to Columbus at home. And I went through all the goals and they stunk. I'm kind of with you. Last night kind of bothered me too.

Oh. Yeah. It did. They're saying the right things, I think. They're an incredibly positive team Yeah, I will say that that's good. Isn't it? What's the point in getting all well Willie taught us that Don't worry Right. What's the big deal baby? What's the big deal? Yeah, but Give give Columbus some credit here because they've turned themselves in a very short

like, while here. Yeah, okay. Well, let's not give them too much credit. No, I'm impressed. I am impressed with them. I am impressed with them too. And I don't know if they're going to make the playoffs and I don't know where Elvis will leave the building at some point for them.

I don't think they're very good. Yeah, see, I think they're, I think they're well coached. And like, I don't know about what you thought of Zach Wawinski last night, but every time he was on the ice, he seemed like he was in control. Love some of the guys. Like I love a handful of the players. Fantilly is obviously excellent. Wawinski is good. It's a pretty short list for me, like Marchenko a handful of the players. Fantili is obviously excellent, Wurinski is good.

It's a pretty short list for me, like Marchenko coming around having a great year. They work hard. Yeah, a lot of all that stuff, but like they can't hold a candle to the Leafs. The Leafs, you know, know what I'm saying? Like they're not in that echelon of teams. And you know, like I said, all of those numbers last night did have the Leafs got robbed 20 times and everything they shot on Hildyby went in sometimes the goalie has a big say in things, too But yes, I'm gonna get to the goals after because there are some lack of musical play. Where are you?

After watching that game I would say that Elvis Murley can's 890 safe percentage is actually very impressive with the way that they defend the neutral zone. I don't know if the first two periods of that game, it was just the auto bond through the neutral zone for the Leafs. The center of the ice was wide open. They were getting grade A after grade A.

I think a lot of nights, I would say, this is the Sheldon Keefe era of hockey here where one of the favorite memes on the internet is the deserve to win-o-meter. And this is a big time deserve to win-o-meter game where the Leafs were clearly the better team, spent way more than half the game in the offensive zone. Way more.

Had the puck were pressing and you leave with a five one score against a team that's supposed to be worse than you. The Sheldon Keefe game, that's what it was. I've seen this game before. And listen, Bunk opened up our show last night. It was the bingo card for the Toronto Maple Leafs You have a local guy Adam Fantelli scores a hat-trick you get goalied by a guy who's having an awful year

You have a former Leafs score a goal in JVR and you have the win that deserved a win-o-meter Like it's it's the bingo card last night for the Toronto Maple Leaf. So, anyways, that's my thoughts. Yeah, no, that's fine. So less of those this year than we've seen in previous years. Way less. 100%. But you know, now to get to how you end up losing that game,

I felt like, I don't know if the Leafs had their foot off the gas at times, just thought it was gonna be easy, but there's a number of plays where they're just not skating, they're just not paying attention to detail. Like you could, I would love to sit there, it would be a great show if you and I could sit here for one hour, watch the four goals,

and talk about where guys should be and what happened. I think people would be interested. It was lazy hockey on the goal. It was lazy hockey on the goal. We'll try on well we'll try we'll try our best to still do that in a audio form an audio condensed form here but let's let's just get Craig Bruby's overall thoughts of the game as we shared ours early here I don't know I liked our start thought we had a real good first period we're down one nothing shorthanded goal. I mean, control in the second period pretty much offensively in the offensive zone. They go down one opportunity, they score again. Like, you know, I think

the game, we got a, you know, we had a lot of shot attempts and they blocked a lot of shots but, you know, I think we could have been a little bit more direct with our offense you know I thought at times we controlled a lot most of the play but you know we're it's on yet was on the outside a little bit too much we could have shot more pucks even on our power play I thought there was lanes where we should have just shot pucks at the net and scored like he was on the goal he was really good I mean their goalie was good give him credit but we had to score a couple greasy goals tonight and we didn't we didn't get that done. Everything's a nail to a hammer.

Okay so I'm not always the criticism of their offense and they don't score. Not on the same Craig Bruby page today about really liking your start and a good first period, a really good first period. We do not agree. Obviously, he's lumping that Ryan Reeves fight in and we'll get into the details of that and what we thought of it. But did you see it the way Craig did? That was a really good first period.

And I'm not saying that it didn't show signs of it, but I just, I didn't get anything out of that start till about nine minutes in the game. Yeah, you know, I kind of neutral on that. I guess I felt like Matthew's could have had like four goals in the period. You know, it's one of those games to me where if the other goal is not great and if you go in the net, you probably go, ah, pretty good start. So yeah, it was fine. I guess

expectations are high for this team and whatever it. Yeah, I don't know you. What didn't you like? I just thought it was a slow eight minutes. I didn't think anything really got going for the Leafs until Knives had the puck behind the net and found Timmons. And that was an incredible scoring chance and an incredible save by Elvis. And then the flow started coming. We saw Willie start attacking.

We saw Marner start attacking. And that's when it picked up prior to that it was I think a Horrific power play again like the first two power plays they split it between units almost okay So they think last night they equally looked bad The entries I saw one entry of the second unit where Robertson tried to drop a puck back and it's like still to me a work in progress beyond belief, but I thought they lost energy off of that first two power plays.

Yeah, and they worked to draw them, right? Did they have three power plays to zero for Columbus? No one has a new idea on the breakout, eh? We're all going to do the drop for 30 years. Like what are we 10 years into the drop now? No other coach can come up with their own idea. And you give up a shorty too. So you know, that's I mean, is there anything that saps momentum in a hockey game more than a bad power play with a late short hit?

I know the fact that the shorty happens because a guy wrist shots it into your net. Yeah. Yesterday on our show, we made a brief tongue-in-cheek comment that nothing would happen between Ryan Reeves and Olivier. Do you remember that? Oh yeah, for sure. We're like, just when you talk about it, it's always opposite stay on any conversation that you have. This guy just believes what has happened

is going to continue happening forever. So, early thoughts on the fight? You want to go to Craig Borubey first, or you want to get your thoughts in? I'll get my thoughts in. Didn't matter. But let's talk about it anyway. Okay.

Yeah, I think I enjoyed it. I was really excited and happy to see Ryan Reeves finally get his fight that he hasn't had all year You watch my Instagram page all the suggestions is UFC knockouts. So I like this stuff It was fun, but then we had a hockey game after they were there's two Absolute heavy heavies and they chucked and it looked great. And yeah, then the game kind of went on Okay, your thoughts in the clip? heavy heavies and they chucked and it looked great. And yeah, then the game kind of went on. Okay, your thoughts. Let's listen to the clip.

To Craig Brewer. Who always would like to see Reeves drop the gloves for the first time? That was a great fight. I mean, that was a hell of a fight, I'll tell you what. I'm glad I wasn't in it, but I mean, yeah, it was great to see. I thought that guys really fed off it.

Like I said, I really liked our first period. So what'd you think? The clip they showed after that fight of who we had on yesterday, Jody Shelley and Craig Borube fighting. Yeah. Fights in the NHL used to be a little different. Like there was no, it was all cats, no breaks,

straight faced punches. But anyways. It had a lot of different dynamics to it for me. And the first one is that I understand Ryan Reeves and the pressure to be in this city and have no fights after half a season. That's why it happened. And what I need to do to get rid of that ASAP.

So that explains 99% of it. The part that I didn't like is that it's just to your point a little bit, it really had like no relevance. I want more substance into fights today. I do not want to see. You've been consistent on that. I just don't want to see anymore a guy like filling his quota. Yeah. It was a fight for Ryan Reeves and Ryan Reeves only. 100%. It's like hockey game, hockey game, boxing match hockey if a guy's still gonna play that role. It's got it's got to be more layers to it for me. And I don't I would rather have seen Ryan Reeves or anybody in that role to go out there and create the energy

because of who he is in a way that can Feed the game or feed his hockey club and I don't know he He didn't need that fight right away. I would have probably played the the shift out a little bit more or a couple I Probably played the the shift out a little bit more or a couple I Want to I want to create an energy tool if it's gonna end up with a fight between me and him I want to create more of an energy with it like go out and be Coletta and run into people and cause chaos and make things and hate you and and I'm gonna I want to drag more people in to this What has always been historically a very emotional element in our game? And I'm gonna, I wanna drag more people in to this,

what has always been historically a very emotional element in our game. So the whole reaction, and we're gonna hear from Austin Matthews on the reaction as well, but all of it was like, where did that come from? Like I'm watching it and it's a good fight. Is it a great fight?

I saw a lot of punches not land. But it should have created way more energy in the building or with his hockey club. And people were still sitting down. I'm not even sure if they were ready. It's a midweek game. I'm not even sure if they were ready. It's a midweek game Again, it it it had zero

Feel like we saw with Reeves and Rempey yeah, right on a Saturday night hockey night. Can I you kind of know it's coming? It's kind of breathing out a little bit. There's like You know foreplay. Yeah So I just get in there and wham bam. Thank you ma'am, right? Absolutely, and this one had nothing of it. I come in pretty hot Great drop. That's my opinion. No, it's the right opinion. It is it it made it irrelevant And so we can comment on do we have the Matthews thing? Do you wanna listen to Matthews on the crowd?

What? I don't know. I've been asking this guy to fight all year and he goes out there and he fights maybe the toughest guy in the league. I have a hard time coming in here and being like, that wasn't the right time, it wasn't this, it wasn't that.

I'll say this in his defense. Like when she's born. He doesn't get on the ice enough to know if he's gonna be on the ice to get that match up. And he had his best game he's had in weeks after that. He played nine minutes. I get it. I get it. I'm with him like for all of that. I got to look after me first, right? I'm supposed to be a tough guy. I'm not fighting. I can't find dance partners. I don't know when my next shift's gonna come

I get it But it's like when nick robertson scored his goal and celebrated it was like he was happy for himself there That was not like a for the team thing so It's just I don't know. It's just Just dying on the vine right this role this kind of feel it's just dying on the vine, right? This role, this kind of feel, it's just. Olivier's a mutant. Yes, but Reeves would probably say quiet building,

start of the game, trying to get some emotion and energy going into it. So why don't we listen to what Austin Matthews thought, clip one on the reception. I would have liked a little more energy. You know, from the crowd after that, I thought, you know, it was a little quiet tonight especially after you know guy uh you know two guys like that go at it

okay so my favorite thing a captain has ever said for the Toronto Maple Leafs oh yeah yeah what do you like so much about that because I think that you're speaking to your actual fan base to the real as opposed to the people who Can't get there on time for a 730 puck drop in Toronto, right? Like it's you're speaking to people that are up in the upper deck that would love to be down there on their feet Cheering and he's saying listen, you know, like it should be a little louder in there and it should be This is two of the toughest guys in league throwing bombs at each other people should be more fired up about it So I loved it

Where is where do you think? like the fan base or People on social media are today. I think they're kind of split where they're like Sammy here or they like You know, I don't think they didn't like it. I don't think this is anything either and listen I got opinions on this game how guys played and what went down Last night. Yeah, this to me is He's right. Yeah, it was a quiet night as Columbus in January game 50 Crowd wasn't that into it could have been better. That's all it is to me

Which is always like he's he's one of them He's one of the most soft-spoken guys you'll ever meet. Like there's nothing kind of, yeah, I think it was just an observation. He was not kind of ripping on the fans. It was like, you know, he doesn't really ever say anything. I do think that it does speak to the crowd in that these guys do feed off and need that energy. It gives, to me, it gives the crowd some power.

It matters when the crowd's into it, it affects guys. You know, you have some influence on the game. I went to one game this year against the Detroit Red Wings on Hall of Fame Friday, and I sat lucky enough to be hosted by my boy Jeff in the lower bowl, sat in the lower bowl with three big time degenerate Leaf fans trying to get Go Leaf Go chance going and you're getting a hairy eyeball from people down there. Like this isn't this isn't a

You know a coincidence that he's talking about this the atmosphere is brutal and it's like oh, it's a midweek. Listen Oh, it's a midweek thing. It's a mid. Yeah Base would kill to be there Washed you and 98 percent and that's brutal that's brutal It is a ranger game a leaf game. They're not normal fans They're corporate trying to cut deals and they don't really and you think that's right But it's not a moral Of the game is to make the most money

Possible then it's certainly right, but kippard I mean, I don't know if you were watching any of that Montreal Rangers game the Sunday after they blew the lead to the Leafs I mean tickets in the lower bowl expensive in Montreal They cheaped it or just give them out for ten bucks Every time a goal goes in the lower bowl are expensive in Montreal, they're cheap, they're there, just give them out for 10 bucks. Every time a goal goes in, the crowd pops, people are yelling, chanting, it's just, it's a brutal rink. And it's been like this forever,

and when two of the toughest guys in the league are throwing absolute widow makers at each other's faces, you'd expect people to be excited about it. Oh, you can't get there on time. Leave earlier. It's a 730 puck drop. Give me a break. Like the lower bowl's brutal. Speaking to the people, I love it. It's a 730 puck drop. Give me a break like the lower bowls beacon to the people

It's brutal. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassed. Well, then well, well, we'll see it. You think the Leaf fans will respond to the captain and say Winfield wants noise Winfield wants noise the famous blue jay callout. Yeah Anyways, we can go on coming. No, I think they'll be like, Oh, I got to finish my red wine and have a sushi. Do you have any great proletariat and the bourgeoisie are in the same studio here? It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I gotta be in the share club. Like they don't care. They're like, let me just write it in the share club with you. Let me write another check. Let me write another check. Who are you? Let me write another check.

Like, they don't care. All right, what do we think of the exchange of sticks? Usually, I don't know, in international hockey, you exchange gifts, like before or after a game, but not during the game. I meant to say this yesterday. I think it says yesterday when we were talking about international play, it said my dad played for a Canada Cup team. They switched jerseys with the Swedish team.

So we don't have my dad's Canada Cup jersey. We have a Johansson Sweden. And I don't know which Johansson or Jansson maybe. Could be any one. Go to your memorabilia guy and say, how much would I have gotten for a Canada jersey? And how about this guy I've never heard of in my life? What's this yawns in Sweden Jersey worth anyway? Or we're talking about very strange Event that was very strange of very funny to only can happen in game players

Exchanging sticks and one happens to be a goalie stick and they showed a clip on the broadcast that Slavkovsky had a stick taken by a goalie like the night before or something like that. That was strange I honestly think that's one of the funnier Singular in game moment what I want to know is like let's say the second he picks up that goalie stick pucks at the point shot And that he tips it with a goalie stick and it's in no goal. Yeah No goal. It's a no-goal. Do you have a clip of Matthew's description? We have Barubei talking about it Okay. Yeah clip three, please Yeah, that was a weird exchange I'll tell you that he's got the goaltender stick for about two seconds

No, I don't think so. No, I haven't so No, I don't think so. No, I haven't so So do you guys remember Bobby Ryan scored with a Meco, yeah, yeah, yeah ripped it out of his hands next you shot it in the net with the other team stick It has happened before right players picking up each other sticks, but never a goal stick, right? Yeah, it was it was hilarious. No, what a show we are here with the highlights. Did we, did our show find new money? Yeah, we got new money. Under a couch or something?

We have a budget now, this is unbelievable. How are we starting to get highlights on our show for those of you that are watching on TV? I just think it's so funny, like I don't know if you're, I mean, played street hockey and you run out of sticks There's one guy that's playing with a goalie stick or some other the wrong-handed stick. It's just a funny visual I know I wish I could give credit to somebody who tweeted this

But they put out there like it looks like one of those images like what's wrong with this picture? I'm holding the good hilarious Austin did make a comment I think last night of not completely knowing the rules I gotta read the rule book puts which puts him with probably like 98% of us that I've ever played the game you wouldn't have picked up a goalie stick You can't play with a goalie stick, but obviously I would have gone and got mine back and probably punched Elvis in the head That's what I would have done. You want to steal my stick then

I'm coming right back at you. Yeah, that's all I mean, that's what I would have done But and I mean off setting nobody would remember that compared to me skating around with a goalie stick I can tell you that can I can I ask you both why? That rule exists you can't place it like if you pick up a stick off the ice and you shoot it in why should that? Why is that not allowed? Wait, what do you mean? Like I mean if you if the guy takes your stick and then or if your stick goes in the corner There's another like you you steal someone second the guy takes your stick. He should get a penalty for one

Yeah, but it's like yeah But the sticks laying on the ice and you pick up his stick and you shoot it in the net I don't get why that's not because it you don't want to encourage Stealing sticks. It's a very it's an equipment thing Okay, I think it'd be pretty funny if you could just rip a guy's stick. It's a new element of the game It really had a different element anyway, so I I've had I can't remember was Elvis's call holding Yeah, well he got a holding the stick penalty literally held this

Austin got illegal sticker. Yeah, it was funny. What the heck that was. We got some people to talk about. Riley. Riley. Riley. Yeah, sure.

Minus two last night. Yeah. Minus 16 now, 15, 16. Yeah, but like, just really, you know, not doing the things that he does well, which to me, Sam mentioned in our group chat, skating. Okay, are we past? We just got to find him another partner?

Is that over? I don't know if it's over, but it's definitely yes. So I think it's both. It's not the partner's fault. Yeah. But we still need to find him a partner. It's not the partner's fault. But we still need to find him a partner. It's not my top priority. My top priority is to getting him to move again like a number one defenseman.

I said to Sam up top like the plan for Riley is cross your fingers. Like he's you're not. I don't know what other choice you have. Yeah. You've now tried him with Chris Tanev and in the game that you put him with Chris Tanev, Chris Tanev's immediately dashed to you. You try him with Jake McCabe. He has one good game and in the second game, Jake McCabe, these two guys have been your

biggest plus defensemen and Jake McCabe ends up minus three. So I know the Fantilly goal, the first one, McCabe does what they call like an early take. He tries to close a guy off in the neutral zone And Morgan is gapped so far back. He can I'm not sure I'm not sure McCabe should have come over Well, they he went out of his way in a shorthanded situation They want to kill that they want to kill it early and direct them to the boards that she didn't do well If if Morgan doesn't read it and cover up the other side, he's supposed she didn't yeah read it and cover up the other side, which he didn't. Yeah. That's it, right? He's supposed to. He didn't. And like no sense of urgency when he does realize this situation. That to me that bothers

me the most is that like, and I watched it and I've come to the conclusion that Morgan Riley has lost a step. You think he's slower? I think he's slower. Yeah. I wonder if he's heavier, if it's something that is fixable or if he's just... I got to think at his age, it's fixable, but it's gone. The puck that they end up...

There's the one where he kind of loses it and it gets tangled and it stays in the zone. The problem all starts because he's going back on a puck where instead of skating and getting back on it quick and taking it around the net, he kind of slows down, hesitates, lets someone get on top of him, rims it around the board and they keep it in. That's why they're in the zone in the first place. It's the lack of skating. And that's really unusual because that has been the thing for him. His strength. His strength. That's the thing of skating and that's really unusual because that has been the thing for him this strength his strength

that's the thing he does getting up and down the ice and just Making what do you have decisions? What do you have if Morgan Riley's lost a step? You're in massive trouble. I mean, that's the whole thing is the step that you don't want to lose Like that's the whole thing is the skating and like you said ability to get up and down I don't know. It's concerning. Yeah, it's concerning Matthew Nyes got hurt Hildeby at a tough night. What do you like next? Matthew Nyes All indications are it's not a head injury, which was my first concern for the Leafs is that oh gosh is this guy?

Yeah, like he's had multiple head injuries, but the word is that it's not, which is good news. And I think the anticipation is that the Leafs will say that he's day to day. No, you don't say. I will be the first to report that Matthew's not is day to day. I'll be the first report that. Okay, that's happening. Yeah, day to day. I'll be the first to report that. Okay. Is that happening?

Yeah, day to day. Why don't we get a report from... Yeah, so the coach didn't speak today. So, so we had to get... So who spoke for him? Steven Lorenz gave the update on Matthew Nives today. All right, let's go to Dr. Lorenz. Yeah, he's good.

He's in good spirits and he's a tough kid. You know, he's built like a brick, you know what house, and he's got that muscle and that added layer. So again, I think he's just a little bit banged up but he won't be out too much longer I already seen him today and he doesn't want to be sitting out very long so I think he's just trying to do whatever he can to get back as soon as possible. Best injury out there we've got all year most forthcoming. That's all we needed. He's gonna be in my chair the moment he retires yes

Yeah, so that is I will say if it had been a head injury and I in an article I wrote today initially had it wrong thought it was and I have amended that That would be a massive concern to me to To have three head injuries in two years here as a Maple Leaf playing a physical game. You'd be worried about his ability to play reckless. I don't know what this is. I'm going to assume it's a shoulder or something like that. Hip. I don't know. Yeah. Weird fall. Weird fall. Weird fall. But yeah, that's better. I don't like throwing this around and labeling, but the guy's injury prone. Well, you're going to enjoy my article today on the Leafs being injury prone and why they

need to make one of these big moves to give themselves insurance for that. Because the injury prone guys you're talking about, nice. Bobby McMahon sometimes goes away, went away in playoffs last year. Austin Matthews is a curious question mark Max patch already has played top six minutes for them you go to the grains you You go through the left McCabe's missed twice games twice with head injury this year both colies You know, it's good when you let it out like that If there's a lot of guys that are like you cannot count on this team being healthy in round one

And so you need to get real insurance. I'm not sure but somebody said at the beginning of the year that you know look out for the injuries with the style of play. Oh yeah and I'll give you credit there you did say that but this personnel is also... That wasn't before like during the last few years it was never That wasn't before like the last few years. It was never never like this Well, not for Sheldon Sheldon Keefe never had this many in Long stretches. Yeah, never but McMahon and wool and you know, what is true here and there but like four Yeah, it's a lot. It's

It's it's really been troublesome to see guys Constantly dropping. Yes, But you got to persevere. So what is your answer in your article? Just go buy a couple more $750,000 players? So yeah, the complete opposite. That your suggestion of cousins or the names that are being talked about, whether it's Cadry, or whether... You have multiple pieces up.

And you need to create room. But what are you doing if you're just moving bodies out and same amount in? Is it just because you feel like whoever you're bringing in will not get hurt like the rest of them? I mean, yeah. Well, I mean, if you want good players in case guys do get hurt like the rest of them? I mean, I, yeah, well, I mean, if you, you want good players in case guys do get hurt.

Yeah, but then you're adding, you're looking for insurance, right? Right. I don't know how much money they have to keep adding here. Well, you know, you're talking to the deadline, if it's injuries, you assume guys can go on LTIR, there's obviously the, you know, retention is possible at the deadline. You know, there's a variety of ways to go about it. And there's also guys that can go out I said yesterday, you know max Domi for me has been a trouble spot for them You know there there are some bodies that you feel, you know, Ryan Reeves has not played a whole ton

There are things you can do to make some space if you have to okay We don't want to go to break without talking at least about if you have to. Okay, we don't want to go to break without talking at least about the Hilda Beast and his night last night and how, I don't know, do they, you think he got assigned to the Marlies like between periods last night or did that happen today because they couldn't send him down fast enough. Let's just say it was like a pretty early transaction. The first time they got to the rink, they're like, please PR send the tweet.

Nightmare outing. You know, nightmare spot. They put him in. I kind of started feeling bad for him a little bit. You know, it's like you only got like 18 shots, so you're not getting enough action to make up for the early errors. First real one goes in. First real one goes in.

And you've been on the bench forever and it's just really tough to get in a rhythm. Not quite an NHL goal yet. There's a lot of work there for, what is he, six, seven? Yeah, and he was drafted at like 21. Big guy. He's a project. First time we really saw the motion, right? The ability to go post to post.

I don't know, that one wraparound where he was like full Samsonov. But it does show you the margins because he almost has his toe there but he's this far from having it there and he almost gets a piece to the one from Fentility but he's this close. It's a tough lead. Guys, put it in the corner pocket. Stolar is expected to play before Four season or four nations. Is that right? Yep

So so love the schedule some b-roll of him doing some work on the ice today He was looking pretty goalie ish. So that's encouraged. So Of course the the schedule kind of calms down next week one game. Yeah, Wednesday Wednesday It's the wild and then Saturday against the Oilers against yeah on a Western Road trip Of course, the schedule kind of calms down next week. One game? Yeah, Wednesday. Wednesday. Against the Wild and then Saturday against the Oilers. On a Western road trip. One game against the Wild. Are we still going to do five shows?

Yeah. That's still fun. We are. I think so. But it'll be the big Western road swing with Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver and Seattle. Stolarz is expected to play at least one of those games. Beautiful. Good to hear. Love those start times. Yeah. A little bit later. The kids are in bed. It's good for me. Okay. Take a quick break. We do have, I

want to get to some of these clips but we should take a break. Which one you want? Well there's, we got a couple on Hill to Be and we got Joe Wall. Okay. All right. And we've got true or false Maple Leaf, Sammy style. You got it. We got work to do. Okay. Plenty more when we return to Real Kipper and Born. Everything you need to know about the Raptors and the biggest stories around the NBA. Smith and Jones. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Real Kipper and Bourne show, beef hour edition. Talking Toronto Maple Leafs and their 5-1 loss last night

to the Columbus Blue Jackets. Just talking Robertson off air. I had to tell you, I think this guy's got an NHL career ahead of him. He's a spunky guy. I tell you, I think this guy's got an NHL three ahead of him. He's a spunky guy. I like him more than I used to. Even when he's not squirt now, he works, he lifts sticks. I'm not sure I've ever heard spunky use a more derogatory word.

He's got a little squirt. He's a good little squirt. I did not use the word squirt. Okay? Don't put words in my mouth Oh, I'll put it in your mouth. He called him a pinball at one point I say every once in a while he gets the little pinballish out there where it's Not like pinball Clemens where you're actually, you know going in to score a touchdown, but he

Gets bounced around a little bit along the walls for me We forgot to mention something in the first block and I thought we talked about a little bit off the top of Fantilly I thought it was fantastic story. You see his parents in the crowd Hometown kid you truly gotta love that like fantilly But you know, I talked with this a little bit on least talk last night I'll bring it to you guys, you know in Adam and Tilly's Hall of Fame speech when he's thanking everybody and he'd be like I'll always remember my First hat trick came in my hometown and chief brother I'll always have you for inexplicably pulling the goalie with nine minutes left in a hockey game that I got to shoot it in

The net to complete my hat trick. What the hell was that? What the hell was that? I didn't understand it. You know, I wouldn't, I thought it was too early too. It's absurd! I'm very pro stats. I like aggressive coaching. I like, I think you sit back down, three goals, nine minutes left. You're just waiting to lose.

It's not just nine minutes left. But this team, this leaves team can score. It's four one. Okay, which isn't today. It's not outrageous with nine minutes to go. If you get one in the next couple minutes You're in a good spot. You're if I'm not mistaken you were at at a four on four Yeah, and you've got three of the most electrifying

Hockey players in the world. So put them on the no they were on the ice. Okay, perfect. They were yeah and You want to pull the goalie? Yep, and you want to pull the goalie And you end the game immediately like any chance of coming back any belief you get a minute of like oh they had a shot blocked and then I think if you Chief would say that if they don't score in the next couple minutes the game's over anyway You know you're down to six minutes left down three night night. You got to get one now Yeah, and so I get the eagerness and so I'm not as critical of it. But so let me ask you, give him a chance to get a goal, get it, give him a chance to tighten up.

I wouldn't have done it. So then let me ask if they do get one on the first shift to make it four to you put the goalie back in. Yeah, I think so. Till you at least get possession in the Ozone and get it. And I'm not sure if the timing, like, you got to really know that you got possession before. I think you want to just call your goalie to the bench. And they just never really had anything under control. You're right, you're right.

He comes out and the next thing you know, it's in the net and it's like, do we have to practice that too? Yeah it was too early. Yeah. Okay. Do you want to hear about it from the coach? Yes I do. I do. Yeah. Maybe he can talk me out of it. Flip six. Well I had an opportunity it was four and four we could make it five one four so you know we had the one look, it got blocked, and then, you know, they made a play and scored, so I thought, if we got one there, get us back in it, you know? That was the thought process on that.

Wow, that was the most rote recitation of what happened I've ever heard. Just, here are the events that happened. Thank you. All right Okay, you were false or no you want to do some other stuff no goalies you wanted to mention we've got What did wall say about not playing last? It's just interesting answer. He's a thoughtful guy. I play the clip from Joe Walls from today You know, it's it's two-sided it

from one point You know, I always want to be in the night I want to be helping my team as much as I can. So you feel a little weird, especially when you get in a rhythm of playing, it's a little weird to come out and you don't feel quite right, honestly. And at the same time, it is good and I understand it's good to manage and it's good to keep your body

and your mind healthy. So I see both standpoints, like most things in life, it's not all good. It's not all bad. You know, that sounds like a guy that wanted to play. Yeah, it's very philosophical. But it sounds like he's enjoying being in a routine of playing every other day. And that's pretty cool.

That's a big step. I think there's a real nervous side to the Leafs still with these guys and how could you not be Kipper? You know the closer you get to February and March and the thought of maybe losing one of them is so you go the other way. You're overprotect and I think that's just what's happening here. He cannot afford to lose this guy again. No, he has. He puts one word in a sentence. He was talking about the crowd last night

and Matthew's comments. And he says, Boy, they were asking both Lorenz and they were really needling them looking for a quote. And Wohl was talking about how Today? Yeah. On the crowd comment. Yeah, they were both trying to get down It's not a lot of people don't want to let it go I agree. Yeah media are hoping to generate some the but they asked wool about it

He was like, yeah, you know, sometimes the crowd here in Toronto can be awesome He goes I I think it was game six against Boston. I think it was 2-1 He's like the crowd really helped us out a lot in that game and I'm just like reading them You think it was 2-1 like you almost had a shutout to give up a goal with a second left I've lost him games haven't took you out of game seven. There's a Like flashing back What? That might have been game six, I think. Jesus. How is that not the top of your mind?

It's funny. Mental. It's funny. Anyway, true or false? Let's do true or false. Okay, let's start with the big one here. True or false? Toronto Maple Leafs win more than one playoff series

this year's playoffs. True. Oh yeah, true. Hard true. Hard true. Yeah. But he got no other, like, they're... Wow, that is a lot of confidence.

They're a top team so far during the regular season. They're gonna win the Atlantic. They should win the Atlantic. Okay. How are you not coming out of the first round? The first wild card squad right now is that Columbus team last night, who, yes, I know they lost.

But over seven games, you can't beat them four times sure can yes So yeah should so more than one That's not the question. Yes, it is. I said well be a more than one. Yeah, they're gonna win Wait, hold on was a question that there was they're gonna go to a conference final. Are you asking us? I said true or false the Toronto Maple Leaf will win more than one playoff series this year Why don't you just say will they win two rounds? We both we both took that as well. They win one Yeah for some reason we're going out of the first round. Yeah, that's what I had it as okay. Hold on I'd like to slow down. Okay. Thank you and say true Wow a gentle true a gentle true. What are you Kipper conference finals?

Yeah, they'll they'll go to a conference final. I think I'm watching Florida, I'm watching Tampa Bay, I'm watching what's going on in the metro. Like they're there, but they won't if they don't do something of significance at the trade deadline. You like the juice, huh? More detailed for you loved it. This is related to that directly true or false Frazer Minton and Easton Cowan will be members of the lease organization past March 7th at 4 p.m False no false. That's that's the game. Yeah. Yeah false false Didn't love Minton

No, yeah hasn't hasn't quite worked for me. Last night he's standing beside a guy in a net front battle and one of the goals. It's hard. I'm not seeing him do anything with it. Yeah, not way more noticeable earlier in the year. I don't know if it's a comfort zone. Who knows what's going on with him. But I thought I'd see more of a presence last night from him take this as you like but he's no Pontus Holmberg so far for me like honestly like

Holmberg is big and strong and drives and four checks and like he's so you think they're both gone no no no no pick one you only need one to get a big fish. I do think Fraser Minton has a career ahead of him. You can't, you can't, you can't. You don't need to sell both of them, Sam, and you get one big piece. I think if you're a team like the Calgary Flames, you would look at a guy like Minton and say,

that's exactly what we want. A young guy, solid, NHL ready, centerman, like cost controlled. And the other thing is, and I don't, I don't know whether or not the Leafs where they are with Easton Cowan, but he's a lot more. He's, I think he should be a lot more open to be moved than he would have been maybe three months ago, six months ago. Like that one was a complete untouchable. I'm not there anymore with Easton Cowan. What is that? Just on his success this season?

World Juniors? I mean he has points in 60 straight OHL games. I get it. And once upon a time, a Nick Robinson had 50 plus goals in Peterrow. Yeah, listen, I 62 one year Now he couldn't bank one off his ass in the NHL Okay, how about this one where is He in the scoring leaders like Easton Cowan. I'm just kind of bombing through anyway to like Easton Cowan, I'm just kind of bombing through anyway. To definitively say that this guy will be a star or a serviceable player, there's somewhere

in between for Easton Cowan. Like he could still be maybe a top three, you know, number one guy. Yeah. Or he could be a third line checking guy that scores 25. Is he Frederick? Right? Well, I mean, certainly not stylistically. He's got 35 points in 25 games this year. You know, good.

A lot of guys scored a lot of points in junior hockey. Sure did. Never got a cup of coffee. That's all I could tell you. Yep Okay, where do we want to go here? Okay after scoring last night for his fifth in this fifth straight game I think he's one back of Darrell Sittler now for the all-time as for the second place in Leafs history for scoring Sure false. Awesome Matthews will threaten Wayne Gretzky and Adolf Ovechkin's all-time goal scoring record. False.

False. Health? Health. Good. Well, not just health, longevity. You have to play in this league for so long. And Ovechkin had runs where he was one of the fastest guys in the league. So you're able to keep up with the increase in the league for a long time.

He's gonna end up playing 20 years in the league or something. I just don't think Matthews has the longevity that Ovechkin has had, which, you know, it's tough to have. Not many people have been that healthy. Yeah, yeah. And then there's this real obsession and passion that a guy like Ovi has. I don't know that Matthews shares that.

I'm totally with you on that. I think he's a great goal scorer. Ovi on a couple of occasions went to alumni events in Washington and got to watch the Capitals practice. This guy has got the juice all the time when it comes to wanting to score even in practice and some of his celebrations have been I've questioned you know the hot stick but this guy always always acts after he scored like it's his first one in his career like he loves it more than anything putting the puck in the net. He just seems to love hockey. And I think that the years wear on you if you don't.

Like Marc-Andre Fleury is one of those guys that just loves it, right? Every day he's just like a positive guy and he's around. Think it's hard if it's work and be it in Toronto's work, let alone be the captain. One more observation between Ovechkin and Matthews is that people still don't talk enough about what a mule Ovi is and how physical he has been throughout his career and how much he's dished before he's received and He's created so much room over the years in his prime because of how Physical he plays the game.

Like this guy could hurt you. One of the best hits in the history of hockey was him on Jagger in the Olympics. How about his fist at Dostoevsky? Yeah, that was bad. And Matthews won't do that. He does not engage in confrontation to create room for himself. Well, the question wasn't, is he better than Ovechkin? No, it's not fighting.

It's just, it's the traffic. It's the rolling off guys. It's the pushing off guys. Now, I'll push back on that and just say that Ovi has always been a defensive, compared to Matthews being selkie nominee shot blocking Face-off winning defense just talking about the offense and I'm saying, you know They they are very different players in the way that they go about approaching. Yes. Okay. This is too big I want the last one. So I'll just do this. Uh True or false Ryan Reeves plays more than two playoff games for the Leafs

You know what I'm gonna say false I Just think I'll let Kip answer. No, you go ahead. Finish. Finish with that. I just think that at the deadline, they're going to have to get creative with a cap and squeeze people in. And I just see him getting squeezed out.

He just makes a bit too much money and it may come down to his, you know, making 1.35 or whatever it is. Yeah, you got to be beat up real bad for Variety to be in the lineup. I might be your 15th guy or something. I just like the speed of the game and where you're at and what you're looking for and yeah I just don't see. Not even like the game one physicality situation. You sneak him in there for? Maybe. Six or seven minutes?

Maybe. There's one. It's a possibility. You gave it a two. Yeah, like they did with Kyle Clifford and he took a five minute major immediately. And then they rallied though. I do believe that the trend's been around long enough

for the season to think that on some nights the Leafs can score seven and other nights they're really going to struggle to put the puck in the net. Yeah. God, I got so many good ones. I guess we'll have to save them. Especially when it comes down to their bottom six, right? Bottom six is an issue here, scoring goals.

You need some scoring there, yeah. All right, we'll take a quick break. We'll return Jason Buchla, Pro Hockey Group, Sportsnet Analyst, NHL Scout, former NHL Scout now doing all the scouting for the Real Kipper and Bourne Show. He'll be in studio when we return after these words. Don't go away. You