Real Kyper & Bourne - Leafs Hour: Wincing Without Woll

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with perhaps a final look at the Shohei Ohtani sweepstakes as his signing feels imminent. They get to the Leafs' win in last night's edition of the Battle of Ontario, starting with Joseph Woll's injury - his fantastic play before going down and the goalie landscape going forward. Then, an evaluation of the D-corps and whether Timmins is ready for NHL game speed. Later, some news and notes - Patrick Kane makes his Red Wings debut, the Flames potentially holding on to their sought-after defensive pieces and Austin Watson's end-of-game clapper at Jeremy Lauzon.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome into the real kipper and otani show hey i'll leave if he'll show up i think it's got a good ring to it i'm in i'm in i'll find new work nick kiprios justin born sammy mckee derrick brandeo and jen rolnick we are together for one hour today, a condensed real Kipper and Bourne show, as we will throw at the top of the hour to Jeff Blair and Kevin Barker on the latest Otani Watch News. Now, Sammy, I got in here about an hour and a half ago, and I couldn't get your head out of your phone phone so yeah i full disclosure i got here half an hour later than i usually do because i couldn't peel myself off the couch

from scrolling and then i was got to the station and i was like doing what i do to get the least audio and that took me an hour and a half because I couldn't stay off Twitter. I couldn't go. I just kept like, Jeff Blair is in the building. Like, I'm like, I'm going to go talk to him about this. Like, I do not care about, well, I guess I should care about what happened in the Leafs game last night because we're about to talk about it. But it's like, it's hard to really focus in on it when the Blue Jays are seemingly

on the precipice of one of the most historic signings in the history of sports. So, yeah. Sammy's got the brain of my son after he's played Roblox for three hours or something. I'm just like, buddy, I'm out of my mind. I'm now at the point where I'm scared for you if this doesn't happen. Oh, you should be. You should be.

It would be really bad, not only for me, but for all of Blue Jays fans. Will you drive him home, or will I have to? I already did. While he was doing some work, I took the shoelaces out of his shoes. We're okay. Can't hurt himself anymore. This day has been crazy. Yeah.

Because I woke up to a tweet sent to our group chat from Justin Bourne of a flight tracker. And I was like, no. It was literally the best way I could wake up. I was like, what's this? Interesting. It is the most followed flight in the world right now. Thousands of people are tracking it.

So I see that. I'm like, ooh. And then later in the day, or I don't know, maybe mid-morning, I see a tweet from an opera singer saying that Yusei Kikuchi has taken out a reservation at a fine dining sushi restaurant close to the Rogers Center for 50 people. I'm like, well, surely. For his wife's birthday. Which is in June.

So it's not. Nothing gets by you sammy and then you know you know our we're all our competitors uh you know i see a tweet from carlo and he's like someone texted that into the show today and we read it on air i hope he didn't like take it seriously yeah yeah it's like oh i was like what did that happen and like i don't know what happened yeah so i am at the point there's been reports that like it's done from certain places yeah jp horn yeah there's reports that it's not done our ben nichols and smith and shida vidi are both reporting that it's you know the decision has not been made

so it's just really hard and what time does the flight come in soon boys rush hour traffic in toronto he's about to land there'll be no traffic for this man. This is right to the chopper. He's flying over everybody. Do we have a helipad on top of this place? How could there not be? I'm sure there is. There's a hospital upstairs.

Yeah, yeah. How can there not be a landing pad? Okay, we can get him here. So I'm just, I have to say that there's a certain part of sports where the transactions and the chase is much more enjoyable than the on-ice product or on-field product, and I've mentioned that before. But this is the most exciting, and it's because, honestly, my change in tone came in with the change in tone of kipper and i've changed

because i can tell when you don't care about something and you're pretending to care about it who you i never do that we were working together three years now i know yeah i know yeah all riled up about some leafs issues listen i can tell when you care i can tell and when you just had this look in your eye and you're like, I'm starting to believe. I'm like, I'm starting to believe. That was legitimately the turning point. My good friend Kippy was the turning point. So there you go.

I hope I don't disappoint you. No, it's okay. I still say huge credit. If this doesn't happen somehow, which I kind of think it's going to happen, I give the Blue Jays front office all the credit in the world for being this far down the road.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. What? The credit goes to Ed Rogers, the guy that controls all of this. I'm easy on the, like, I get it. They got to facilitate. But once you get the green light to stroke the check, that's where all the credit really needs to go to. I'm not thrilled yet about the Blue Jay management team,

especially the way the things ended last year. Of course. Right? But this washes that away ten times. No, it does not. No, you're wrong. You're wrong. If they sign Sean Ohtani no i forget that there was even a season last year yes you do no you do not get it no you're crazy no you're crazy the general manager and the president do not get a mulligan

no yeah they do no on getting no playoff wins out of last season so or throwing their manager under the bus how about that yeah that's what? Which is still a very sore spot with a lot of people. I know. And myself included. No mulligan on that one. Sorry, pal. This is from your friend and mine, John Marossi, who has tweeted this four minutes ago.

Sources. Shohei Ohtani is en route to Toronto today. Oh, my God. A representative of his agency, CAA, would not comment when asked about Otani's travel plans. At this hour, Otani does not have a signed agreement with any MLB team. So at this hour, yeah, because it's only for something

and he's going to sign it when he lands. So would that be medicals? Would he come in for medicals? Yeah, which I had saw theorized could take a long time given the scope of the deal. Like it's not like they're going to come in and, do the hammer on his knee and check his reflexes. He's coming in Toronto to have a medical? That's crazy.

He should do it somewhere else. Why? Why is he coming to Toronto to do it? Because he's going to have doctors anywhere. The Toronto doctors need to see him. He is going to be a member of the baseball team that plays in this city. Right. He's coming here right now for real.

Listen. That's it. He's been on the plane. He was always on the plane. He's not coming here to say no. People were doubting that he was on the plane. He was always on the plane. He's on the plane.

Morosi says he's on the plane. He's coming. You know what an interesting little Easter egg along the same lines of the flight was that, you know, I believe in Japanese culture, the number eight is lucky. That's a thing. It's a thing. And he signed with the Los Angeles Angels on the 8th, December 8th.

Remind me the date today. What's the date today? Oh, does it match? Oh, it's December 8th. December 8th, is it? Six years exactly to the day on the 8th. I don't know. Is he superstitious?

Yeah, seems like it. Seems like it. Well, he's a baseball player. I don't think. Is he superstitious? Yeah, seems like it. Seems like it. Well, he's a baseball player. I don't think it's a bad sign. Buddy, baseball players and all these guys are the most superstitious guys. It's a good sign.

They're all good signs. Dude, he's signing here. Buddy, he's... Let's go. He's coming. Let's go. He's coming. Derek, you have

OK Blue Jays for us at some point. Is this the day that the Leafs also announce that they're signing Willie Nylander and a big trade? Like, is it all piling in?

It'd be a good time to speak some bad news by. You want a trade for Risto, no money retained? Right this minute is the time. Willie for Risto, no money retained. We'll keep an eye on the old Twitter machine. Yes, we will. And we'll be passing it over the baton. Wow.

Wow. To Blair and barker in about 52 minutes so do not move wherever you're watching wherever you're listening sports net 590 sports net 360 and sports net plus from 4 to 6 p.m eastern you don't want to move on a day like today outside of that outside of that there was a hockey game last night sure something that we haven't seen since last saturday battle of ontario it uh it was a regulation win which again something that we haven't seen a whole heck of a lot this year But man, did it feel like a loss last night for no other reason than Joseph Wall going down in the third period. Yeah.

And, you know, when was the last time the team who played better in a game won the Leafs game? Like, it feels like we're getting the results opposite of who actually played better. You know, Ottawa looked fast. But yeah, Wall, obviously the big story out of things. Before he got hurt, that may have been the best goaltending performance I can recall from a Leafs goalie since I don't know when.

I would thought the same thing in terms of it felt like outside of, you know, what Curtis Joseph's done in his career or Eddie Belfour at times, Felix Podvan, of course, was homegrown, which Joseph Wall, they can claim the same thing, but that's how far you have to go back. Oh, man. And the two saves he made on Tarasenko

going post to post are the stuff that you fantasize about as a kid when you start playing goalie you're like doing the patrick waugh windmill do you fantasize that i what do you want you fantasize about making a hit you in the chest and no rebound no rebound it depends on if you fantasize about doing that and it didn't have anything to do with your injury a little later, did something happen in those saves that triggered what happened to him on what was a routine, innocent shot? Yeah, you think it like cumulative sort of all the reaching and stretching. What else could there have been? Was it Norris who shot the puck?

Yeah. He didn't shoot it. He flutter Was it Norris who shot the puck? Yeah. He didn't shoot it. He fluttered it towards him. Whatever it was, it felt awkward for him because he went and felt it right away. The puck actually sat there. Not sure what defenseman came in, but thank goodness he was there because there was a very loose puck there.

But it was no different than what we've seen in the past. Did he torque his body? Did it look like it was like an accordion effect on something? Hip? Groin? Knee? Knee. Seems knee-y from he couldn't put weight on.

Knee-ish, would you say? Knee-ish. The way, the thing that jumped out to me when i was watching it and the scary part was the back view of him getting up and it showed his right leg the non it was like trembling like you could tell like the amount of pain that he was in and like the shock almost that he was in like he was in extreme distress almost right away and like it unfortunately for wall this has been part of his story right yeah like you hate to even bring it up but it is reality it sucks because what we saw last night and we talked about a lot on on leaf talk last night is something you can just legitimately

dream on like it's like this is a like they haven't had a homegrown goalie, a kid that he makes nothing, and he doesn't count against your cap, so, like, now you can't really add anybody with his money. It's just it was what you can dream on, and it just went away in a hurry. Like what old Martin Jones, ice cold. It was, yeah, it was up there with a performance that you could remember for a very, very long time. Yeah, and I mean, it's why they get two points last night.

You know, I rode a little bit today, and one of my things with Wall is like, he's their guy this season. Like, the way he's played the last four games has made you believe. He's a 9-16 save percentage. He's, you know, one of the tops in the leagues. He's a Calder Trophy finalist at this point. In the running of the guys who are having great Calder Trophy seasons. They're going to wait for him.

And he's going to be the guy. Because he's so cheap. He's not going to cost assets. He just gets hurt again. And he is now in that. Like. Hey spectacular. Can we count on you?

Well if not there's samson no matter what also you know there's always going to be now that that moving forward unless he goes for a a long stretch you're on pins and needles for a guy that is injury prone but you're not going to give up you're right but you're not going to give up an asset and go no no no no this isn't about throwing him out yeah yeah kicking him to the curb but this one is incredibly concerning even well non-contact injuries are always forward here and he i'm not ruling out ankle either guys i'll tell you that right now he's had a history with uh injuring his ankle ankle last training camp and when i saw him leave the ice and he wouldn't put that skate down i'm not i'm not ruling out high ankle sprain and that's the type of thing that would not be cumulative but just could be a little you know

you catch a rut you roll an ankle going across whatever it could be something something's there and you know the unfortunate part is like the leafs are gonna have to go and do something i think if if they don't like what they see as early as a week or two and i'm not go with jones and samson off but yeah as long as they can hold the fort yeah which i think i think jones is capable i think of of holding it down yeah i don't know what what level he can get himself up to did he have 25 wins last year through jones jones uh he he was really good for like a month and then pretty dreadful for the rest of the year. So at least it's something to fall back on. But unless the Leafs don't dramatically improve, I think it's going to be tough on Jones and Samsonov, especially.

He had 27 wins last year. Yeah, that's not bad. It's not bad. It's not like you can go out the door and find 27 more. Yeah. You also had an 887 save. So I guess for the next couple of weeks, it's as is. But, you know, the Leafs need to get a lot better in front.

Like, what's the score without Joseph Wall yesterday? I don't know if you care about expected goals, but it was 4.55 for ottawa to like 1.6 like they were significantly better than toronto in terms of creating chances sport logic had them at 11 grade a chances i think toronto had two and sport logic had five grade b chances of which toronto had three like ottawa created way more you know what concerned me most about a kip is the leaf shut down pair last night they kept throwing out mccabe and benoit to shut them down because who else is there giordano's out you don't really have anyone else

couldn't shut down a table lamp i mean it was i think they they were on the ice for like seven of those 11 grade a chances it was a real concern so i'll be surprised if if we see j Wall back in the Leaf net before two months. Yeah, I think that's fair. Two months, sorry? Hold on, what? For sure. Two months. I mean, how can you not?

Six weeks, eight weeks. How can you watch that and not think that? It was like it was bad. He was just non-contact. He couldn't put a... Those goalies have to be 100%. Skaters can get away with a little bit less of a 80%, 90% groin. The goalies have to be completely pain-free. And if you go back and you look at some of his past history,

he's a guy that is really, really conscientious of everything he does to prepare, to rehab. Like, he's not one of those guys, like, I blew out my knee. I look at the doctor. I look at the team trainer. Just tell me what to do. Yeah, yeah. When can I go? He's not like that. he wants to be involved he's he's really in touch with his body and i think this is not going to help him anymore moving forward but this guy

ain't coming back yeah until he is absolutely 100 ready yeah like an aaron rogers i know how to fix this better than docs so now because we're they're gonna be without him for a while so now it shifts to samson off and yeah i think how quickly does he get over the flu right now i think he's oh he's better today yeah he's like oh yeah he read no more i had a lemon and ginger shot, little cayenne. Ready to go. He read the Otani flight tracker tweet this morning when he texted it to him. He's like, yeah, I'm feeling better already.

I do think, this is me putting on my positive spin hat here, okay, which I don't always put on as a Toronto sports fan. Maybe it's just the Otani stuff that's got me feeling this way. But one of the big things that we said we were worried about with him was him playing, looking over his shoulder with wall right and like you know talking about how maybe he wasn't loving it as much and there was a concern there he is now unquestionably the guy right just the mere fact that you're telling me that you believe that i don't want that guy i don't want the guy that needs everything to feel perfect.

I don't want him either, but he's the guy now. I know. That was the Jack Campbell thing. He played better when not in competition. How far do you really think you're going for a guy that can play better now that another guy's out of the lineup? I know. Just go ahead with no back of goal.

Or the threat. The threat of me not being, you know, removed. Or he lost his net. He lost his net. He lost his net. His net's lost. You know, like, I mean, barring him being unbelievable over this run. And now he gets it by default. Yeah.

And he's going to play better. I don't know. That's the guy you're counting on, Sammy. We have him on this and on wall and whatever. We should check in. I don't have any trust in certain i was gonna call him sergey samsonov in elia samsonov but if i look back on last season by far the best he played was when he like i mean he came in in relief and he took and who was the backups then

was it shalgren was like younger wall who else petrozzelli had a game where he was the backup like they had hutchinson like oh yeah no no i don't know who else like you know i don't know who else they had back there there's they had a lot of goalies you know what's jet alexander played in a game like they had a lot of goalies and when he played his best is when there was no real threat behind him and i don't like that at all i agree agree with you completely, Kipper, but they don't have a lot of options right now, so they need him to kind of pull out of it. Okay, let's go to Sheldon Keefe on our first

Kipper's Clipper on Joseph Wall. It's unfortunate, right? You know, like he's been playing so well and he's building such great momentum here on his season and his career and you know, to set back here now, He's going to miss time for sure. We'll determine the extent of it once we get home.

Obviously, he's the big reason why we get two points here tonight. Credit to the guys once again. Another thing to get a little rattled and shaken by, and the guys just kept playing, found a way, and Jonesy came in and did a really good job under tough circumstances. What's your level of faith? Martin Jones came in and made a couple saves, too.

I was going to say, I think, before we move on to the bigger picture with it, you have to give him full credit for coming into a game where the Leafs were playing horrible defensively for the majority of the game. And he came in there and had to make a lot of stops. How many saves did he make? Six, seven, eight big saves it felt like right away. So give him credit.

Veteran goalie. Let's go right back to Keefe on Martin Jones and Sammy moving forward. Well, the confidence and faith is high. He's a veteran goalie, so a situation like tonight and coming in, that wouldn't rattle him. You know he's ready. He's been a tremendous teammate when he's been here. He's been tremendous when he's been down with the Marlies.

He's handled this whole situation incredibly well. Yeah, that's why you sign Fetch and Depth. You know, we were fortunate when he got through waivers and remained a part of our organization. It's four situations like this. So, you know, obviously it starts with Samsonoff being, you know, somewhat unavailable today and the illness that he's been battling through. You need him for today, and then he comes in and does the job and makes sure we get our win.

And Martin Jones will start tomorrow night? What? No. I mean. Are you going to put a guy in that hasn't really practiced? Got to start at some point. Oh, I'm going to Martin Jones tomorrow night. Agree.

Yeah. And then you go with Samsonov Monday night. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Let's see Martin Jones Saturday night. What does sort of unavailable mean? No.

I don't think you can. Like, you can't just run with Martin Jones. I don't know what he's done all week, Samsonov. Has he been practicing? Has he had good practices? Sammy, you're just going to throw him to the wolves coming off his clue? I agree with you, Kippy, that you're going to play him on Saturday. Martin Jones, I think, should play Saturday night.

But you got to get Samsonov going. You need him really badly. I know you do. But you got to get Samsonov going. You need him really badly. I know you do. But you start with a couple good stretches in practice. Just start there. For sure. I know. I just think that regardless of how well Martin Jones plays Saturday night,

if Sammy's available for Monday, he's playing. What does sort of unavailable mean about Samsonov? He said, yeah, with Sammy being sort of unavailable mean about Samson? Obviously, yeah, with Sammy being sort of unavailable. That's coach speak for like we're not really happy with his unavailability tonight. It's actually a good catch. It's like actually he was available. He chose to make himself unavailable. So he's sort of unavailable.

It's goofy. Yeah. Yeah. How is he? Is he on the ice? What's he wearing? Is he full equipment? Tracksuit? Tracksuit. Tracksuit. No. We're not doing this again. What was that? All or nothing? goofy yeah yeah how is he is he on the ice what's he wearing oh equipment tracksuit tracksuit

no we're not doing this again what was that all or nothing yeah the amazon series that care that was our full first three weeks of shows we talked about all or nothing but we could have done a whole season of shows on that they should give us one now oh my god now that we're not a terrible show in our opinion when they uh when they pitch other teams to do that they they play our show and say this is why we don't want to do this show anymore yeah the show is 10 hours long they got 40 hours of radio out of it yeah okay what do we see last night outside of joseph wall standing on his head and doing spins i saw a dog's breakfast defensively. I saw a fast Senators team.

Yeah, they were the better team, no question. No contest. One goalie was really good. One was kind of bad. I saw a really fast puck-moving team early in the game to start. Can we say that the Leafs have been off a little bit? No, you don't want to. Come on. You got to give them a little bit of being off a tiny bit.

Do you want to? Maybe for 10 minutes. I'm not sure I want to give them the whole 20. Yeah, I mean, it took them four and a half minutes to get a shot. So they certainly came out of the gates slower than Ottawa. How many different times can we talk about this with the same guys? It's like, oh, well, they were in Sweden. It's like, oh, they were tired.

They've been playing too many games. They're not playing enough games. It's the NHL season at some point. Can you just start well once? Yeah. It just feels like they have such a hard time with it. It's really weird. You know, in terms of things that stood out to me from the game,

a couple people struggled. I mentioned their shutdown pair not great. Timmons, for me, has still not found it yet. You know, you're waiting for him to find. Timmons is not an NHL defenseman right now. Ooh, really? Yes. In terms just not...

He's not ready to step in and play 15 minutes in the National Hockey League, and I would not have him right now playing. And I know they have no choice. Two years at 1.1. They have no choice, but he should be he should have come back and got games in the American Hockey League. Yeah. That's where he needs

to go right now and get his game back. He's just two different players. Like he's a with the puck and without the puck. He's two different guys to me and he's not going to play high enough up the lineup to care about the with the puck so much. We want to make sure he can play right now in the NHL. I want horses back there.

Turnovers and puck coverage. He doesn't have to be a horse. He doesn't have to be a horse. He just needs to get some reps in playing well and focus on a few things that can keep his game a little safer and play the right way the issue i think at a training camp prior to him getting hurt in training camp was that he was actually playing well he's getting his points and all of a sudden they probably would have had to make a decision of

uh putting him on waivers or protecting him yeah and i think they would have had to make a decision of putting him on waivers or protecting him. And I think they would have protected him back then. Yeah. Because teams are still struggling for offense, and he's a right-handed D, and he had some success early. I think teams would have taken a flyer on him. And how many times, if you have to watch last night,

there would be a legitimate breakaway, and he's the guy like that. Chasey. Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, there was the one where... What was the end of the power play? Yes. I don't know what happened. On the 1-1 goal. No, on the 1-0 goal. On the 1-0 goal. Yeah, where Norris bleeds out and he's waving at. It's like,

where are you? You're the only defenseman on the ice. Yep. Where are you sniffing right now? Well, that's it is the you know he i think recognizes his value as an offensive guy and he makes it his priority and you know him in le joie yeah you know yesterday the raj himself you know he blew a wheel on another breakaway against where timmons is so far up the rink it's just it's not good so there's issues so regard the the other thing too again you're you're just you're caught between a rock and a hard place you have no d

toronto has no d and the other thing too is was he not their only right-handed d like they're they have no right-handed d yeah yeah they have five out of the lineup they have no right-handed D. Yeah. Yeah, they have five left hands. With Lilligren out of the lineup, they have no right-handed D other than Timmons. Yeah. That's an issue. So Benoit has played both sides. No, McCabe plays both sides. Benoit, Brody. McCabe can't play.

He's off. Can't. No. No, he struggles. He struggles on that side. You got to find a way to get him back on the left side. You know, listen to the things you're saying, and I'm not disagreeing with a single one of them,

but I'm saying for Brad Tree Living's sake, we all agree that LeJoy is not a nine-chiller. Benoit has struggled a little. McCabe can't play his offside. Timmons can't play in the league, in your opinion, right now. And I don't think you're wildly off. If you're

Tree Living, you're like, at some point, this is going to catch up and burn us. He needs to make a move like yesterday. Yeah. He cannot sit on that blue line that we saw last night. Okay? I don't care what it is. Waver wire, prospect.

He needs stopgap. That's a bit of change in tone from what we've heard. Not like I'm saying it's wrong, Kipper, but you're like, it's really hard to do it. It's really hard, but you're past that now. I'm past that. You just got to make it happen. Yeah, you can't.

Martin Jones is going to come in, and if he has anything near what Wall had in that hockey game. Oh, it's a 7-3 game. He's out two weeks. He'll pull something, too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was a tough game to goaltend, no doubt about it. Yeah, I guess that's basically where I'm at with the team right now.

I tend to write about the process more than the results, and the process is like, this is going to come unglued here unless something happens. So curious to see if Trevon agrees or not. And listen, I think... Oh, we have Sheldon on decor too. Okay, yeah. I think in a perfect world,

they'd probably like to tell Connor Timmons. I think he'd have to... They won't put him on waivers for the mere fact that they don't have defense anymore, like no depth at all. So that's not the case. But if they did, I think they maybe could convince him to go down for two weeks. You can do a two-week conditioning stint down there without putting him on waivers.

No, no, any time. You still can? Yeah. They can put him down with the Marlies for two weeks as long as he agrees to go down there. But if he did, who's coming up and what do you got left? That's the issue. That's how depleted they are back there. Yeah, they're in real trouble.

Why don't we listen in on Sheldon and get his take on the Leafs decor clip for him? Yeah, I thought they did well. We went to cleanest with the puck tonight. It hurt us coming out on our end a little bit, but the guys battled, blocked shots, and were physical. It's a highly skilled team

from their back end through their forward group, and they can play with a lot of speed. So it's a lot to manage. I thought LeJoy did a good job coming in, and when the pairs got mixed up, I thought the guysoy did a good job coming in. When the pairs got mixed up, I thought the guys handled it well. These types of games

are not going to be pretty, and tonight's wasn't. Like I said, we got better as the game went along. I think we're full marks for our two points. I don't mind him protecting them like that. Can't get blood out of a stone. Yeah, you're right. What good is it for him to go out there and be like, we need more from LeJoy. It can't get bled out of a stone. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

What good is it him to go out there and be like, we need more from LeJoy. And it's like, give the guy a breather. And I'll give credit to Benoit, too.

Like, this guy is giving it. He's just above. I like Benoit. I do, too. And like, we've talked about how he's convinced us both,

all three of us, that he could be like a sixth, seventh guy that you mix in here and there. Yeah, he's not your shut down guy

in the final four minutes. But he's playing way over his skis and he's giving it all he's got he blocks a big shot last night like he cares he's trying but it's like at some point you're asking way too much yeah he started in the ozone nine percent of his shifts i think or something like that like they're like yeah like they're putting him in the d zone they're putting putting him against top lines. He's been asked to not just play, but to be a meaningful contributor. And that's a big ask. What did you see out of the Ottawa Senators

besides a really good-looking team early and then they just kind of fell back to maybe why they're scraping the bottom of the Eastern Conference? Just not getting saves. I mean... Forsberg was horrible. A camp goal is like

especially after the guy at the other end post the post even marners didn't yeah no good that went between his blocker yeah and his and his body and the willie one was a change up i don't think willie even meant that to go in i think he was shooting for a rebound yeah you know like it's it's yeah not like they're overpowered them no and i don't i don't think Willie even meant that to go in. I think he was shooting for a rebound. Yeah. You know, like it's, yeah, not like they overpowered him. No, and I don't think they got a really great effort out of Brady Kachuk. Like Greg's a greaseball, huh? Yeah. Like in a way that you'd like to have on your team, but.

I will say every time I watch the Sens, Sanderson is so good. Yeah. He made that. I didn't think Chikrin was great. I didn't think Chikrinin was great. I didn't think Chikorin had his great 60 minutes either. They had, their big boys didn't show up last night. And you mentioned the Sanderson thing, like that pass he made. The thing that jumped out to me was the defensive play he made on Matthews,

where I forget was somebody won the battle in the corner, came out to Matthews, had the puck at the top of the circle, one-on-one with Sanderson. and he tries to go into that toe drag, and Sanderson just doesn't bite, total defensive patience, gets the stick in there and shoots it out into the glass. It's like, wow. That's a young kid staring down. He would have loved it.

He loved it. Stick. Good poke check. Yeah, good poke check. Anyways. Did you catch that one moment, I think later on in the game, when the lights went out? Yes.

No, I don't think I did. Oh, you probably went to the bathroom or got a snack during the last minute with the goalie pulled the lights went like down a little bit and came back up not sure how i missed that and lauer is not paying the bill wow listen uh i had a group go into that building for the day yeah and there's a lot of things there that needed upgrading oh yeah oh yeah couple a couple of boxes could use some new uh like on a string oh yeah like to the point where yeah we were we were told that this um this piece of equipment or this electrical situation here uh needs upgrading every six to eight years. And it's the same one that Eugene had when he first got the team.

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, we've got some clothes, pins and electrical tape holding this together. Yeah, exactly. So when I saw the lights flicker,

I'm like, not surprised. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, well, they, and Lauer.

Oh yeah. He's on it. He's on it for sure. Like buying a house. My house is, that's, well, and Lauer. Oh, yeah. He's on it. He's on it, for sure. Like buying a house. My house is, I don't know, 115 years old. He's just quit sometimes. Okay, we're going to hit a break. Yeah.

In our condensed Real Kipper and Bourne hour. When we come back, we'll take a little look-see around the league, including Pat Kane's debut with the Detroit Red Wings, where it was looking so good. And then I think the roof fell in on him. All right, that and more, including Austin Watson. Did he shoot a puck at a player or not last night? Yes, Your Honor.

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Way more qualified than the three stooges here. I will say, other than our show, which I love, by far my favorite show is Kevin and Blair and Barker. I listen every day. All right, Sammy, what do you got for us? From Game Time? It's Game Time, presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest right, Sammy, what do you got for us? Game time. It's game time presented by bet. Three,

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the first thing that really got my spidey senses tingling on this Otani thing was the fact that they took the odds off the board. They took them down. They took them down. Cause people fact that they took the odds off the board. They took them down. They took them down. Because people could know. They took the odds off the board. So people that made the bet before, they get to keep their bet?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You get in there. All right. Hopefully you made it for $600 billion, or a million dollars, sorry. I'm not sure. I should have checked this this morning.

But I can tell you for sure that the toronto blue jays were not third favorites to win the world series this morning and they currently are now up to plus 850 to win the world series behind only the dodgers and the braves so that's a that's a big that's a big jump vladi if you can't correct but he's going to come in and he's going to be the designated hitter correct for one year of his 12-year contract is otani in the lineup like good enough for the jays to win the world series next year i mean i'm not informed enough i know they're a playoff team without them they can't have it here's what i'll say They're not as good as the Dodgers, are they?

What I'll say, and I don't have any knowledge of I think he adding literally the best hitter in the league pretty much helps. That's an important part of baseball is hitting the baseball far and a lot and with guys in scoring position, which the Jays couldn't do last year. But if they're willing to shell

out this cake for Otani and this is done, they doing like this isn't it they're gonna play they get still they still need a third baseman they still need some outfield help like this is not the end of the offseason this is the start of what could be an incredible offseason for the jays so plus 850 baby get your money in now you're signing otani baby, baby. You are going all in. And as a Blue Jays fan, that is the most exciting thing in the world. Like, this is, I am, I'm horned up right now. This is incredible. And the redo and the seats and the 100s, right? We urge everybody to stay whatever platform you're getting us

or Barker and Blair in 20 minutes. There is still a ton out there on the internet, including video now of him coming into a private terminal. It's a video of Otani walking into a building. And the claim is that he's walking into Toronto. For sure. But I don't know. Who knows?

Go back and see it. Okay. Okay. toronto for sure but i don't know who knows go go back and see it okay okay and then as he passes the second window yeah look at the skyline okay i'm watching it does it look like a toronto skyline today tough to tell kip sunny it was sun there was some sun today. There's a decent day out there. Like that? I can't tell one way or another. I don't know. Whatever theory you're pitching, I'm not buying. That's some good subroutering.

CSI. Yeah, I don't know. Either way. There's a picture of our whole office. Alish has it up there of our whole office. Hanging around one computer waiting to see the plane land. Now everybody's racing to go see the video. These are the best days, though.

These are the best days for sports fans. Can I tell you, this is the reason you get into this business. It's for days like today. Yeah. Okay, and that was Game Time, presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary. Bet365 must be 19 plus. Ontario only.

Please play responsibly. Okay. Pat Kane, up for nothing. Okay. Pat Kane up 4-0. Yeah. Sold out. An unbelievable vibe. And then they give up two shorthanded goals. Yeah.

On the same penalty, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, it was. And then the roof fell in. They gave up four goals in the second period, well up 4-0 to the Sharks, who eventually would go on. Boys, break up the Sharks. Yeah, they're hot.

And people are like, they are not the worst team in it right now. They are not even close. You know, good night for the Leafs last night. The Bruins lose to the Sabres, like I told you they would at yesterday's game time. Yeah, my coward parlay was not great. Yeah, but Bruins lose.

Tampa Bay lost. Red Wings give up a point to the Sharks. Leafs win a game they probably don't deserve to. Good day in the Atlantic if you're a Leafs fan. So what are we, 25 games into the season? And where are you on Detroit before last night and after last night? Because that's a prime example. And I think Ottawa is a prime example of two teams in the Leafs Atlantic division

where you're yeah they should be pushing for a playoff spot and then moments like last night for both these clubs might be a reminder that they're not quite ready. Yeah no this Red Wings team is still I mean they're

playing Goss Despair and you know Wallman and Hall on D which is fine but they but they just, they don't have the top end the Leafs do. Not even anywhere close, really, or the depth. They're not that good. To me, I think they're like in this schmozzle of an Eastern Conference where there's not many great teams. I think they will make the playoffs.

I do think Detroit will. I do think Red Wings get in, yeah. They don't create a ton of offense. They do defend fairly well statistically, which is kind of the opposite of the leafs kane could have had a few points too last night and the most important thing is is he's pain free yeah had a couple chances i think uh uh what's his name there lalonde said that he just looked a little rusty and said he could have had three or four points tonight and i bet he wishes he had, you know. No training camp and coming in like that last night.

How many minutes did he play? I don't know. Don't have that answer offhand. See what we can do. But, you know, it's going to take him some time. Yep. So do you think the, sorry, unless you, do you think the Calgary Flames, like were they to win some hockey games would still kind of consider this a season worth pursuing because they were trading everyone last

we heard and all of a sudden not so much i think they win i think there's just no way that Craig Conroy could trade a few defensemen between now and early in the new year. Yeah. If they have some success like this. You don't think he can? No. I think it would piss off the fan base there. They'd be like, why are you getting rid of our defense right now? The West sucks.

We have defending, and if our goalie gets hot, we can hang. Absolutely. The teams that have them are the Blues,ashville predators and arizona coyote you use your horses now to get to the point where you can legitimately still make the playoffs and then the day of or day before you trade them anyways and you give yourself as much chance to still make the playoffs even if you move assets yeah you can't do that now right which is unfortunate for i think a lot of leaf fans because they want tan of and i think brad tree living made it abundantly clear when we talked to him the other day and i don't have the assets that

yeah i need to get him yeah yeah flames um you know almost back to to 500 you know they're only behind their fourth in their division and it's as sammy mentioned two teams between them and a playoff spot the other thing too is the more success calgary has moving forward is the the price gets better for craig conroy with tan of and hannifin if he still decides to move them because he says sorry we want to keep them or because those guys look better the team looks better and they look better yeah and they're contributing to a playoff push the dustin wolf thing is interesting to me like this guy i think he won goalie of the year two years in a row in the American League. He comes up,

plays well last night, keeps him to two and they get a win. You know, if they want to go him and Markstrom, Ladar is an interesting name. One more thing on Tanev

when it comes to the Leafs as well. He's perfect for the Leafs, by the way. He is. And he would have been perfect if you could have got him for a third round pick. But that thing

is turned into a second rounder all day long which they do not have which you don't have in three years yeah so you don't have one you can't you can't trade one four four years down the road well yeah you can you can well sure you can i don't know maybe maybe you can take it because other teams would have, who would be in the running for him might have a tougher time. They just got 4.1 off. So I can take the whole contract, whereas some other teams cannot take the whole contract.

So I don't, I believe what you just said. I don't know how many teams would be willing to, like Craig Conroy say, I need a second rounder this year or next year. I don't need it three, four years from now. Yeah. But he could turn into a first. Who knows?

If he can stay healthy and look really good, he might turn into a first. He's a right shot, right? Yeah, he is a legit difference maker for the Leafs. Well, he's just everything they need. He's the guy I'm talking about. They're here to protect the league, and you put him on the ice,

and you're on the PK, and he's on the ice, and he plays real minutes for them. But he also has a little bit of the wall. Can he stay healthy? He's had two really good years health-wise i mean come coming into this season anyway so i agree though it's definitely a concern but part of that is the way he plays when you block shots with your face you're gonna get hurt yeah he's a pretty committed

defender i would say that point all right we we saw last night uh in the in the tampa bay game against uh nashville austin watson who the way, was fined today by the NHL for shooting a puck at Jeremy LaZon at the end of the game. Didn't Alfredson almost do this and Leafs fan have hated him for 20 years? He, no. No, no, no. Get the story straight.

Get it right, pal. Sammy, our Leaf librarian. He pretended to throw the stick into the crowd on Sundin after Sundin threw his stick into the crowd. But what you're remembering, when they were getting starched by the Anaheim Ducks in the Stanley Cup final, his little cry fest,

and he took a clapper at Scott Niedermeyer. That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, so that's what you're thinking of. But it was from further away. This one was, by Austin Watson, was legit gutless. It was gutless, and it was also was also like the score was 5-1 like no one thought you were taking a hail mary shot down the ice to make it 5-2 you know cannot disagree with you all that it was classless and it was uh you know there should be a lot here there's no you're not you're not having a butt coming, are you? Yeah, I got a butt. No, just punch him in the face.

I'm sorry. I got a butt. I got a butt. The butt is every team needs a couple of guys who are just kooky. Squirrely. Kooky. You need a couple of guys who are wires crossed. Wires crossed.

Jerk, gutless, whatever. Call them whatever you want. Gutless, jerky. All I know is the guys that are classy and predictable, are easy to play against, are easier to play against than a guy that I don't know what the hell he's going to do out there. And Austin Watson certainly does. And I will go back to the advice I got from Dale Hunter in my rookie year.

Oh, boy. Every once in a while, you got to keep them guessing. Take a suspension. That is the most Dale Hunter advice of all time. Got to keep them guessing. Yeah. And Austin Watson, say what you will. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we said what we will and you can all say you won will yeah use gutless use classless dangerous yes let's make the whole game safe would you now I feel like such a a wuss after what he said do you want the guy who's

senselessly putting other people in danger? Sometimes. Why doesn't the guy that Leafs signed to do dumb stuff ever do one dumb thing? Yeah. Right? No, it's like this guy is the cleanest guy in the league. Throws clean hits, gets off the ice. I thought he was a scumbag. Do something dirty. Dr. Philosophical on Twitter

sent that to us. What did he say? It's something to the effect of like is it, you know, have they neutered him? What's going on? He doesn't run his mouth, doesn't fight his hit. Yeah. Can you find it? You know what his last fight was?

It was on Ryan Reeves and like, where's the edge and where's the chirping? You know why I can't find it? I think he's finished some checks. I think I heard the boards rattle a couple of times last night. It's so far down my Twitter feed because I halfway implied that I knew that Otani was coming and now it's like 16,000 retweets on that.

But yeah, shout out to Dr. Philosophical on that. I would just like, he hasn't fought since, what date is the second game of the season? October 14th? October 15th? It's been a minute. Maybe you're on the ice with Zach McHugh and you run into him.

Ask him to go. I can't believe they didn't fight last night. I mean, either. We're not going off the air properly. Oh, Otani, Otani, Otani watch.

Otani watch, Otani watch. We're bringing in Blair. We're bringing in Barker. Let's go. Yeah, we're talking about a press conference and a handshake. Let's go.

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