Real Kyper & Bourne - Must-Win for Edmonton?

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

Hockey Night in Canada's Craig Simpson joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to help break down Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Final as the Panthers got away with a 3-0 victory over the Oilers with big thanks to a standout performance from Sergei Bobrovsky (3:07). They get into the Oilers' complete effort despite the loss, Barkov's dominant defensive play and how Edmonton can respond in Game 2. Then, they regroup with Sam McKee to listen to each team's game-day availability and share takeaways. Finally, the guys close with news & notes around the league.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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in the Stanley Cup final. We're going to snap our fingers. We're going to have two games done in three nights. Beautiful. Love that. Also love your hat, by the way. It's a real Kipper and Bourne hat. I've not worn a hat since we've been on air. You've broken the ice here

and now I feel freed up to do it. I've been doing it all year. He's going with the Argo look. Yeah. If I'm going to promote, I'm going to promote our show. Yeah. I love that. Shout out to my guy, Fraser Sopic.

All right. In a couple of minutes, we're going to welcome in Craig Simpson, former NHL or two-time Stanley Cup champion, and, of course, a great voice of ours on Hockey Night in Canada. Nice of him to make time for us before the big game. So he'll join us in a few minutes. Thanks for Craig for filling in because Sammy couldn't get the Edmonton Oiler flasher on our show because spitting chicklets beat us to it.

Sammy. Listen, that's not a call i was gonna make boys i'm a happily married man okay i would never be turning like into a big star right now is that is that what happened i'm not sure it can't be i just i've seen certain videos like the rest of the world and uh yeah that's all i got did you watch the interview with her on spitting chicklets no i didn't i saw it it's I saw it. I saw a clip. I didn't watch it. Saw a clip?

Yeah, I saw a clip. Was it good? Was she any good? Thrilling. Almost as thrilling as the head coach of the Oilers. Or did her interview go over like two lead balloons? I'm just avoiding this conversation as best I can. All right.

So we'll go with Craig Simpson. All right. Let's do that. Okay. Before that, obviously, Saturday night, everything you kind of anticipated. Was it as much as just Bobrovsky stealing game one? Or did you see more? Because I thought it was a little deeper than just thinking that one guy's as good as Bobrowski was stole this game yeah when you think uh deeper do you mean

that the way that Edmonton kind of took it to his Florida for a lot of the game gave you some hope for the Oilers yeah I think it's there for sure yeah but I saw glaring mistakes that sometimes you don't overcome, and particularly on the two goals for me. And let's welcome in Craig Simpson. He was there. He watched it live. You saw it. Craig, I'm just thinking as good at times the Oilers looked with the push, two glaring mistakes on 200-foot breakout that led to goals for the Florida Panthers

was as much as the difference for me than just Bobrovsky. Let's bring in Craig Simpson now. It's another example, Nick, of just how magnified everything is at this time of the season. There's only two teams left playing. There's only a game every other night. And one little mistake might be, you know, the razor-thin difference between victory or defeat. And I thought, you know, it's kind of what happens in these big moments.

You play an almost perfect game. You go in and don't look out of place. I don't think that – and that maybe i think both teams were a little bit nervous early and that's not uncommon especially when you have you know the magnitude of the stanley cup but also east versus west when you're not it's a whole new series each new series takes on a different life of its own but it's the it's the little execution errors that could be costly and there's no question that that was the difference you know you give up the first shot goal again for the fourth time in the

playoffs and i think to their credit edmonton didn't let that even bother them you know that's something that might rattle you early it could have rattled stewart skinner instead i know he wasn't the busier of the two goaltenders but but he solidified his game and got back. And I thought, to their credit, the Oilers did well as well. But two little mistakes are the reason why you're down 1-0 in a series. So you have to learn from that, grow from that, and get back. And you know, Nick, each game you've got to come back with a better effort and you learn a little bit and you grow a little bit

and you start to try to get some traction in a series. So as analysts, and I think same with coaches, we talk about those little errors the Oilers made that led to a couple of Panthers goals. But you're sitting there today,

the Edmonton Oilers are a wonderful offensive team and they get no goals against Florida. Obviously, Bobrovsky was fantastic. Do you think that it's going to be hard for them to do what they usually do because of the way Florida plays? Or if Bob is averaged, are they going to find a way to score their usual three, four goals a night?

Yeah, I think at this stage, you're not expecting any easy offense. And like we just said, the sort of gifted offense that Florida received, they capitalize and they win the game. So I think you go in knowing that you're not going to have, you know, lots of free-flow, easy chances. And I thought that, you know, Edmonton didn't start cheating the game or start taking overly risky plays to try to generate the offense. And they got their fair share of looks.

They had a couple of open nets that, you know, maybe 80% of the time Hyman doesn't lift it up and over from in tight. And Ryden Nugent Hopkins maybe seven out of ten times will put that in the back of the net instead of over it. So I just think you can't – it's like any journey that they've already, both these teams have been through. You can't get too high getting up 1-0. You know you're going to have to come back with a better effort

and just settle into the series. And I would just take out of it from game one that you start to understand what the Florida matchup that you're going to be up against, how guys play together. You know, if you're McDavid, you knew Barkov, okay, he's a good centerman. But now after at least one game, you look and say, okay, I see how he's trying to mirror me in the neutral zone. So what do I have to adjust?

And what do I have to maybe do different to try to counteract that? And I think that's what we love about a new series and a bunch of new one-on-one or line against line or deep air against line matchups that guys start to understand and get a feel about how their opponent plays and that's what great players and good teams do is you know you make adjustments to how you have to counteract that we're talking to craig simpson who's getting ready for game two of the stanley cup final that could be seen on Hockey Night in Canada. So, Craig, I want to follow up a little bit with the Barkov versus McDavid.

And I know that everybody talked about McDavid looked good and, you know, maybe a little snake bitten. But, you know, here's what I saw last night or Saturday night in game one. I saw Barkov outplay connor mcdavid and you know from a production point of view uh two assists plus two and you know the the feeling was that that the selkie guy had to shut down connor mcdavid and we still feel that way but there's a sense too too, especially on the first goal where Connor gets caught and leaves Barkov on a 200-foot three-on-two, and it's like, hey, wait a second. Some nights, McDavid's going to have to shut down Barkov, too. What did you see Saturday night out of the matchup?

Well, that's what I mean about finally playing an actual game. You know, McDavid has huge respect for Barkov, but it's not a matchup that you've had that often, and you can throw in the garbage the early games that they played against him. So now you get in the Stanley Cup final, and I thought Greg said it well in our first intermission, you know, the sort of shock for him to go up against Brian Trache and go, oh, like this guy is really good.

And it's not like you disrespected him going in, but you don't know until you have to go one, two, three, four games in a row with the same guy in the same matchup. And I said it was really interesting that first goal, and we showed it on the replay. You know, Conor's thinking thinking offense and you have to be at that point because you're the top line you're an offensive generator line and the d man made a good play on hyman which then sprung uh barkoff and it was amazing like it was an instantaneous oh

you could see that mcdavid knew oh we're caught and i think what he probably didn't expect is the speed of barkoff to be able to maintain the distance. And, you know, Nick, that's what you get in a series. Now you understand better what your opponent is all about. Now you understand how he likes to play. Maybe you didn't think he was as fast as he is, and now you know you're going to have to adjust quicker or do things differently or be on maybe a safer side

on that same play in game two and that's the beauty of getting into a series and understanding who you got to play against and how they react and maybe you get a better understanding for their strength or their speed and their skill and that's what I love about you know you get this far you you've gone through it three times already you've had to adjust your game from the Los Angeles series to all of a sudden a pretty nasty and harder-hitting Vancouver series to a Dallas series that didn't have much of that, and you had to play a certain way and had to adjust differently.

Now you're in the cup final, and for the fourth time, game two is one that you get settled in and say, oh, I think I have to react a little bit differently and I think I have to be conscious of this. Simmer, if you rolled out two identical rosters, sorry, two different teams and you didn't change anyone and they played each other 100 times, you would get very different results.

You wouldn't get the same outcome every time. And I mention that because the Oilers are going to make some roster changes. It sounds like CeCe may come out for Deharnais. Carrick's a game-time decision maybe for Perry. You know, how quickly do you adjust? Or do you not just want to roll out a team that handled a lot of the game very well in Game 1 and see if it goes better a second time before making these changes?

Yeah, I think, though, you look at just the last little stretch, and to his credit, Nodblock hasn't been afraid to make some moves. And he's found that his team has reacted well to those moves. And it's been successful. So you also know that you don't have much time here. It's not a must win tonight, but you know coming in, you go in with the idea that you've got to split.

If you don't split, now you're coming back with huge pressure down to nothing. So I just think that they're comfortable with some interchangeable parts. I think he's liked having Carrick or Ryan in and out of the lineup. Perry served his, you know, suit coming back in the lineup, but I wouldn't at all be adverse to sitting him for a little bit as well, because I thought in a game like that, that got going and you're down by two, you know, he doesn't, he's effective if you can get offensive zone possession time and do some cycles and get around the front of the net.

But if that's not happening and the game's moving quickly, you know, maybe you are better suited for a game to change the look and have somebody who has a little bit more speed and can separate and make some of those plays. So hard to question a coach who's done the things that he's done this year from turning a team, you know, 3-9-1 around and getting them to the Stanley Cup final. And the adjustments have given the team a different look and new life.

And so I'm not totally shocked that he is. And I'm sure that everybody who gets their chance now to come in and make a difference you know relishes it and wants to be an impact and you know the oilers i think will have even a better game as will florida i think florida will be a better team in game two as well simon you mentioned earlier about skinner allowing a goal on his first shot. It's happened 11 times this season, seven in the regular season, four in the

playoffs. What does that do to Edmonton's psyche, especially when you look across 200 feet away and you see that out of Bobrovsky? Yeah, it's a tough one, Nick, and you know how much strength as a team you draw from your goaltender and you go, oh yeah, he's dialed in tonight.

We don't have to worry. We can be more aggressive and we can maybe make a mistake and he's going to bail us out. So I would say, though, just as much as you hate those numbers, 11 is a lot and four in 18 games is a significant amount too. But I think that they all feel, you know, you have trust now in the guy that it's not going to crush him. And he has responded

from it. And you've won some games where that has happened. So I think that settles you in. But I don't think there's any question if that happens again tonight, it's like, oh no, here we go again. And you got to feel, that's why I even said with the goaltender out last game, they weren't going to win the game, but they had about 30 seconds left.

And I thought, you know, you've got to try to do your best to score here. You've got to eliminate the Bobrowski effect because you get shut out on a night in the regular season where you put 30 or 40 at a goaltender. You go to the next game, you've got a different goalie, you've got a different team, you've got a whole different set of circumstances. You know, that's what playoffs are wild about. You're playing against the same group, and you've got that same guy again. So you can't allow him to become the story of the series.

And I thought if they had been able to break the dam at the end of game one, it would have served them well to just go, okay, you know, we've got him now. We've got to find a way. So, you know, the longer that it goes, you get into the second period of game two and you've still got a zero on the board, you start thinking a little differently. You go, well, what do I have to do to beat this guy? And so I really think it's going to be important early on to try to get that

all-important first goal of the game to just sort of say, settle in and say, yeah, yeah, we're okay. And otherwise, from a Florida perspective, if it's a non-event game and it's scoreless going into the second, I think that bodes well for the type of game that they can play. Zimmer, before the series, a lot of the story was the Panthers are the most physical, penalty-ridden team in the NHL. The Oilers have this great power play.

Did you think physicality, did you think it played out in the NHL. The Oilers have this great power play. Did you think physicality, did you think it played out in the first game like you expected to? And do you still think that there's a role to play in this series for that part of the game? Have we not yet seen how it's going to shape things? Yeah, I don't think we've seen it yet, Justin. I don't think it was a super big factor in game one.

And, you know, I think that's one thing that Paul Maurice has tried to emphasize, that, you know, they're a much more disciplined team. Yeah, they're a hard-hitting team, but trying to stay out of trouble. The fact that they only gave up three power plays is probably one more than he would have liked to, but they weren't undisciplined. They didn't get unraveled. And you look at last year in the Stanley Cup final, I was laughing at Maurice because he was saying how much more disciplined.

Last year going into the final, Florida averaged 12.7 penalty minutes per game. You know what they were coming into last night? I actually think it's like 20. Oh, is it the same? 12.2. You're not that much of a difference. The problem in games one and two last year for Florida, 12.2. You're not that much in a different team. The problem in games one and two last year for Florida,

in the two games they had 135 penalty minutes and had seven 10-minute misconducts, three of them to Matthew Kachuk. So it kind of unraveled really quickly for them on the road in Vegas. And I think that's where you saw that you didn't see a whole lot of scrums in game one. I think they would have learned a lesson. Like, don't get chasing at how excited you are to get into the final. Now all of a sudden you're in penalty trouble,

your big guys are frustrated, and you're down 2-0. And so I think there was maybe more of a script laid out for them to be physical, do what we have to do to impose our physicality in this series, but make sure you don't get into what trap they got into last year against Vegas. Simmer, when you think about the start that the Edmonton Oilers had this year, and some of us maybe made the mistake of writing them off a little early, maybe one or two of us here on the panel back in november uh but you obviously went through the rest of the regular season uh which was

fantastic for them and then you drew off of that again in various times in the playoffs but this is the stanley cup final how important is it for you that that they come out of this a split and what would they be facing in terms of an uphill battle if they go back to Edmonton down 2-0 yeah I think you have to be of the mindset and every player goes okay you know it's not a shock that we lost game one on the road that That shouldn't put anybody in terror or go, oh, man, we're playing badly. You know, we had chances to win that game. We didn't.

We had a good goalie performance against this. We lived that against Dallas, but Skinner stealing one. So I think from a calmness, because of all the experiences they had during the regular season coming back and also during this playoff, they've been, you know, one and one in all three series to this point. So I think they're comfortable in that mindset.

I think, Nick, it's, you know, obviously you want to come out and get the split. But if you play another game where you're the better team and fundamentally you've played a good game, you've put all kinds of pressure, maybe you get a bad luck break or you get another performance from Bobrovsky. I think that's equally as important as getting the win. I don't think this team would be shocked or dead in the water if they happen to lose this game. I do think that they believe that they're a team that rarely loses three in a row. It doesn't happen to them often.

They have the ability to go on a run. But you've got to come into this game with the mindset of a split to go home and we're all good. But if you play a solid game and you do what you have to do to execute your game plan and you still come out with a loss, I think you can survive it. And it's going to be a different animal going back home to Edmonton. And, you know, if they can continue to grow and get some building blocks and get some stability, I think they'll be okay.

But you've got to come into this game as you know, both of you know, you never want to go down two in a series. Just the numbers. The numbers don't support success. So the difference between being one and one is significant and i think you just have to be of an even keel and a solid mindset to go out and execute your game and obviously if you get it great if you don't then it's back to work again the next day yeah they played well enough that they should feel good

about that hey random kind of aside here what did you think of them having the stanley cup on the ice before the game one of the Cup Final? It hasn't been there in six decades. It felt really strange, didn't it? Yeah. I didn't actually know it was happening, but they just told us earlier on. I just think everybody was kind of like,

I don't know if I want to see this thing. I don't want to think about it. I know how players are and that adds to it a little bit so uh i i get the excitement wise from the league's perspective is to showcase why we're here but yeah i got to leave every player is a bit of you know nervousness of they know what they're playing for and to see it on the ice is like, oh, man, I hope it's on the ice at our side. I think everybody felt a little bit uneasy about it, being there with them for the starting lineup.

And overall, the vibe down in Florida, Simmer, I mean, for the Panthers, we know at times it's been a challenging organization. Sometimes the building's been half full over the years. What's the sense you got down there in the last couple of days? It was good, Nick. And I thought around, they did a lot of engagement around the rink and everybody was excited. And I think it's different than last year, right?

I really do think it is. Now the fans know what this means. They know the disappointment of losing last year. And I think they're not taken for granted. I do again nothing like in edmonton though the city's on pins and needles and they're above um you know there was a huge contingent of oiler fans on saturday here in florida so i wasn't surprised with that florida oiler fans are well traveled and support all over so i'll be interested to see on a a Monday night if that changes at all here. But I think overall the Florida organization has put on a great show.

And I think the fans are truly, you know, they're into it. They're knowledgeable about their team. And now with a second chance in 24 months, I think they're pretty jacked up and excited to be getting the opportunity again. Well, we're jacked up to hear you and CeCe tonight on the call in game two. Simmer, we so appreciate you making time on a game day. Get some rest.

Have a great call. Looking forward to it, pal. Thanks for doing this. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on. Thanks, Simmer. That is Craig Simpson, the voice. The man.

Boy, we haven't had a dugong in a while. No. Listen, I... It's been a good year. We're not there yet, boys. Let's cross the finish line before we start talking about that. So, I'm like you. I'm watching the Stanley Cup at the beginning.

I like it personally. Well, you do. I will say this. Again, there's two schools of schools of thought like the first one you could say from a player's perspective and yeah i want to see it when it's presented to me but i will say this it is a huge star it's a star marketing star i don't think you you can show it enough and it is a friendly reminder hey boys here's what you're playing for and like reality tv they wheel out the million bucks of cash for all the contestants to have a look at before they compete i'm okay with it i thought i would hate it

you guys are right i thought i would hate it but at the end of the day, it is the biggest star. And if it makes people nervous, all the better, right? That's just like, you know it's important. Like all the trophies in the cross sports are beautiful, but there's no shock factor trophy like the Stanley Cup. When you see that, you're like, oh my God, that is the most beautiful thing. It's like kryptonite to Superman. It's like, you know your your knees start buckling

right yeah start sweating a little bit it's so funny how lame the lombardi trophy oh yeah all of the trophies in comparison to like i think i like the world series no no no no no i can't look at that world series trophy without thinking of george costanza dragging it around the parking lot oh yeah that's all i think it's good for i like calling it the larry ob in the nba but it's about it it's a nice looking trophy too but there's just no trophy in all of sports that brings out that star factor like it is the star you're right it's a great way to put it and you change my mind because like you i was my sensibilities were like whoa why are we seeing this happens why we see like it was like watching a certain video from edmonton i was like

whoa why are we watching here seen it too early so earlier i said sorry people want to praise connor mcdavid praise him all you want he got outplayed by barkov. He did. It's Saturday night. That can't happen. That can't happen tonight. Okay? Under no circumstance can that guy be plus two and you minus two, Connor. In no world. Here's the thing, though. Barkov's really good.

And it is an uphill battle. And I love what Simmer said about Gretz talking about Trotche. It's like, oh, yeah, crap. That guy's really good, and he is really good, and this is his role. This is one of the reasons I kind of thought that the Cats, it didn't play out like I thought it was going to watching the game, right? Like, it looked different than I expected it, but the Barkov versus McDavid thing, if they win the Barkov minutes the panthers then oil is in massive trouble here and they that's why they win the game that's why i asked him about making

adjustments because it's not beyond mcdavid just roll out the same two groups and he just yeah he made an excellent point simmer in terms of just sometimes you know especially when you talk about two different conferences that you you just need, you need a look. You need a look out of a guy. And I think Connor got his out of Barkov. Barkov just makes you take different routes, right? Because he's with you, he kind of angles you. Tonight, there's just not a chance

that Connor could take a chance on jumping in on an offensive play and then leaving 160-foot three-on-two with Barkov leading the way. But, like, once you're having this conversation, see, I don't know if I love it. I don't know if I love that we're like, hey, McDavid now needs to think more about. Yeah, defense. You know? Defense. Say it.

No, I will never dare you suggest that. No. He does. We got quotes oh yeah we got yeah we have a few clips um great producing here we got lots of stuff we got conor mcdavid on the hockey gods we got paul maurice on playing dry and mcdavid and we got knoblock on cc coming out tonight where do you want to go i want to play the first clip from conor mcdavid so uh clip one please andrew the scoring that this team Andrew. The scoring that this team has, the power play that this team has,

that getting goalied one game doesn't have to lead to more. This team has enough that that just can't last. Maybe it was the hockey gods getting us back for that game six, where we probably didn't deserve to win. Tonight, maybe we deserved at least one goal or maybe two goals and we don't find a way to get them.

You know, I know this group will stick with it, bounce back. That's what we take a lot of pride in doing. And we'll gear up for a big one on Monday. As a strict believer in the hockey gods, I know you're not the biggest believer in the hockey gods i know you're not the biggest believer in the hockey gods no i i pray at the church of the hockey gods there's not many things i'm really worked out for you more fearful of oh yeah the hockey gods hate toronto it's clear but i love the fact that the best player in the league is talking with the hockey gods means they exist so sorry no what it means is this sport has randomness.

I mean, it really does. And sometimes you win when you should lose, and lose when you should win. But the suggestion of that is one that now rubs me the wrong way, covering the Leafs the way we have for so many years here, where the process is good, and we didn't get the result we wanted. It's all about the process, too. We didn't get the result.

It's result time, baby. And it's like, you don't want to hear much about process. They had, Edmonton had the glaring mistakes that bit them, and Florida did not. That one leads us to Knobloch's clip on CeCe coming out. That's not random. That's been an ongoing issue. Paired with Nurse in particular, they don't work.

Let's have a listen. Knoblo Nurse in particular, they don't work. So let's have a listen. Yeah, it's not easy. You've got a player that's been a big part of our team and has played very well and we've had those difficult decisions with other players throughout the playoffs and

it's not easy for me. We're in it for the best for our team. And we feel that this is something that's going to help our team. And maybe it's not fair for Cody coming out of the lineup or whoever it was in the past, but we feel that the lineup changes that we are making, either we're adding more speed, more size, more scoring, a penalty killer, whatever it is, we feel that that slight advantage or that change is going to help us move forward.

And there's going to be a time where Cody's back in the lineup because we need what he brings. You just cannot get beat by Bennett on the second goal. He self-chips to himself and beats everyone to it, yeah. You cannot let Bennett get his stick.

You've got body position, but you cannot let Bennett's stick beat yours to the puck. First touch. So important. You know, they're willing to take the hit but but to be the first touch that's huge and on top of that nurses completely caught flat-footed with his back towards the slot yeah he owned it it's easy like that's like that's but that is that is a mistake that you cannot overcome in the Stanley Cup final.

Did you see this data put in there about the 50 goals against the playoff? The Oilers have had 50 goals against the playoff run, and Nurse has been the ice for 26 of them. It's a high number. I mean, he plays a lot and plays good lines, but that's too many. It's too many. And so right now they're going to pair Deharnais with them. Interesting leaving Kulak and Broberg.

Broberg played 12 regular season games for them. This will be his fifth playoff game now. They're obviously very happy with what he's brought. Does make me a little uneasy having a guy so inexperienced in this series. Like, I know CeCe made some mistakes, and it's probably the right call, but, you know, just I know Oilers fans know there's a lot coming from this Broberg, but it just feels a little early, and you worry about those sort of moments where you're like

one-off moments where you can get burned. So I have two separate scenarios that I want to bring up with you heading into game two tonight because this is what I thought about coming into that game, that the Oilers played really well. Like you said, they have a few breakdowns, but they played really well, and I thought for the most part the Panthers didn't look great so if you're in that oilers room in your mind you're like well we you know we did as well as we could we played great and then if you're in that panthers room you're thinking oh my god we played great we didn't play great at all we got

stolen one from our goalie and away we go here like which side of it do you think is a more correct feeling like the panthers can play so much better. I don't think Bob is going to be that good. Bob was unbelievable. I don't think he could be that good. I don't see a big drop-off. That was J.S. Shigeru. I think he's moving and tracking as well as we've ever seen.

He is in the zone right now. The Henrik and the Nugent Hopkins breakaways, we're never close to going in stuffed it's been that way for a little while now too like there's no cold spell over the coming like a couple hiccups against the bruins where you're like oh maybe and they just locked it right back in against the rangers one five goal game against the rangers at ot game but outside they've been few and far between yeah it's a daunting task. So maybe he'll be good. I don't know if he'll be as good as he was in game one,

but I also don't think Florida is a team that typically gets the play taken to them game after game. Where was Matthew Kachuk Saturday night? Nowhere. Very quiet. I don't even think he played 15 minutes. Really? Wow, really?

Yeah, I didn't look into that. I'll look it up right now. That's interesting. Yeah. Really? Wow, really? Yeah, I didn't look into that. I'll look it up right now. That's interesting. Yeah, to me, he was a non-factor. Yeah, which is someone who can be a real factor. Look, where is he tonight? 100-plus-point player. Right?

Yeah. Where is he tonight? Needs to be better. Wonder if he's got something going on, too, the way like Evander Kane is a non-factor as a guy who needs to be a factor. How many minutes for evander kane uh we had chuck played 1357 in that game wow there you go um and you wanted kane yeah 1522 yeah geez guys yeah those are so there's there's a lot for for a few

guys to step up here so funny looking looking at the playoff ice times. Just like, you know, you get used to looking at regular season ice times. It's just a lot of dry side of McDavid and Hyman. How much are they? What are they, 24? McDavid played 25-19. That was chasing, though. And then he put them together.

23-14, and Hyman played 23-39. When you're chasing chasing a lot of shifts together too late trying to get something going that adds to it a bit hyman also like in terms of chances he has the great chance 30 seconds into the game he had the one in front of the net on the power play like you know he he got the same looks he typically does how you know everyone talks about carolina as being the smartest organization and all the advanced stats stuff what the hell happened with forsling how like how good is he i guess carolina's d has been very gas but like i that's such a crazy miss he also did he have a chicago stopover he came from chicago yeah no i thought he came from carolina

wasn't he claimed i think he went carolina chicago chicago or is it chicago carolina anyways yeah whoever made chicago was the last stop to me to me it makes you feel better either way when someone else missed too yeah that's how i sleep at night with for haggie i'm now curious did he come from chicago or carolina i failed in my immediate search but i'll tell you he was in chicago first and then charlotte in the american league never actually played games for carolina but it was at their american league team for 57 games but he was claimed off of chicago yes carolina claimed him from chicago yeah and then how did he get now he's i mean a norris votes guy he is awesome shutdown guy yeah anyways game time all right let's do it we're running long do you want to do oh yeah crap you know i'll do we'll do game time after the

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If you think the Oilers are going to win this series, tonight for me is pretty crucial. Tonight for me is, I don't know what the numbers are when you go down 2-0 in the Stanley Cup Finals, but it can't be great. I'll tell you. Not great. 9%.

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Yeah. So what I'm telling you. How do you know that? I don't know. I couldn't tell you what I had for breakfast today. So first in this year, you've had a stat that I've been like, wow, that's really useful. That's a great stat, Kippy. Anyways, if they're going to do that, Connor McDavid's going to have to severely outplay Barkov

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So he is also, like he's got coming off losses in the playoffs too his numbers are off the charts yeah so this is and i can't tell you what that status you have that it is it is funny i shouldn't say it's funny but like you hope the oilers don't look at 97 and go fix it you know he alone is not going to be enough to beat the Florida Panthers four times here. So he needs a big night, but it'll start with him. Okay.

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All righty. Okay. Before the break, I mentioned to you that there seems to be a pretty big story out there involving the NHL, the Washington Capitals, and people in the media. Yeah. Because we included have been always, hey, how much does he make? And let's go to CapFriendly. Yeah.

But CapFriendly now has been sold to the Washington Capitol. So you tell me what this kind of means. So first off, shout out to its predecessor, CapGeek. Yeah, I do remember CapGeek. It was the one before. Somebody got sick and died. Yeah, it was a tragic story. This one, Dominic Zrim is the co-owner and director,

and he's worked for Chicago and San Jose in the past. When you're an NHL team, you need a database like this internally, you know? And so the Toronto Maple Leafs hired a bunch of people that they have their own internal system. That is not cap or cap friendly that you can go on and use. And if you don't have one, you got to pay to build one,

or you can just hire the people who do it very well, better than anyone, very professional. They've already worked in the NHL. You buy the people, you buy the tools, top beans for the rest of us. How much do you think?

Did they say how much it was? How much they would have paid for that? Any idea? Yeah, but like. Okay. This is the part that kind of gets me. Okay. Is like.

You are a multi-billion dollar organization. You spend millions., tens of millions. You do sports science departments. You have sleep doctors. You pay Rasmus Sandin. You go and blow bad signings all day long. Yeah. Poor Rasmus.

I know, he's a great kid. Take your multi-billion dollar industry you're gonna you're gonna base this on a a free public website called cap friendly and when it disappears you're kind of screwed you're talking about the public the nhl i'm talking about nhl clubs that have relied on this i know it's know. What are you, idiots? What are you, stupid? You've been in the dark ages. Why would you leave your organization in the hands of a public website

that every Tom, Dick, and Harry uses when you've spent millions and wasted millions, but you won't go and start your own cap friendly? I don't know who the organization is but there are some who don't have what i'm sure who are relying on this who right now are going oh you think i do think that there's no rely exclusively on teams like cap friendly i think they made it public that teams have hired them for their data. Yeah. And they had to go back. They had to go back.

CapFriendly had to go back to like two or three teams. I don't know how many and say, hey, we've been sold. So yeah, good luck. Yeah. So the Washington Capitals had to buy out other teams. That might be their greatest gain is the caps is just making life harder on other people.

One of the things that always killed me. So when I was with the Marlies and we would do the use cat friendly literally three times a show by the way so so the player development program would have barb underhill as a skating coach and daryl belfry as a skills coach this is when i was there and barb worked for toronto and the tampa bay lightning and daryl worked for austin and patrick Patrick Kane or whatever the names were. And so Underhill would leave the Leafs gate and then she'd go, like when Tampa was in town, she'd go work with the other team. It's like, if her services are that valuable,

can you not pay her so the other team cannot have her? Can you not buy the thing? This is what buying cap friendly is to me. Buy the asset so other teams can have the asset. Really dumb, cheap teams out there spend money yeah this is one of the places you could spend it and have an advantage and take it away from your opponents but there's got to be enough for lack of a better term dorks out there you could pay lots of money to build you cap friendly when when he started taking up but but

to be honest i'm sorry to cut you off but it you got to understand, too, like, you know, I'm not a tech guy, but, you know, when Google goes and buys WhatsApp, they're liking this sophisticated software. They like what you've built. They just buy it, right? So maybe you hire three nerds, but they don't build you something. What's crap? They build a knockoff. That's not as good. Right? but they don't build you something. What's crap? They build a knockoff.

That's not as good. They just don't build you. So just stroke the check and buy it. But you can't leave yourself vulnerable if you're relying on it, if you're another hockey club. For sure you can't. That's just stupid dinosaurs running your team. So when analytics became popular in the NHL

and teams knew that they had to have it teams started buying up the best public people you know tyler della with new jersey now was one of the early people to go so every team goes we need someone and they say buy up these public people there's not 32 good public people there's like eight and then everyone after that quarterbacks yeah exactly then everyone else is buying up who's the next so you're talking about you know can't they just hire some other nerds? They can. But they're not as good as the other nerds.

Yeah, you may be missing the good nerds. Yeah, the good nerds are gone. God. Should have been a nerd, boys. Really should have been a nerd. Should have paid attention in school. Way more money in nerding. But like, again, just where are you putting your money?

And how do you leave yourself honorable? Yeah. Nope. Silly. So like. Shout out to Cap Friendly. So Puckped shout out to puckpedia is very good puckpedia yeah yeah is that the new one then they'll get bought somebody else buy them well that's it because you're gonna be lazy whoever right now no longer has access to cat friendly is like what do they cost so i mean why if you're in the nhl if you're like the nhl people why don't they just have a site

shouldn't the nhl have a public a public site where they like put it out there for people they must have some internal thing but like make it external shouldn't if you're the league well they they didn't want like public salaries weren't always this open that we all knew you know so you're right so you have to know i think the league talked about buying cap friendly once upon a time. That would have been great. JB, so if you're cap friendly all these years and you have no affiliation with the NHL, you have no affiliation with the NHLPA, where do they get their data? Are teams feeding them?

Like, are they volunteering the information? Yeah. I don't know. You know, it tends to come from insiders. Like, I think their initial reports where they get the information. So they call the clubs up and they say, hey, listen, we want your information and you readily give it to them. I don't know.

I don't know how they get the official data. They will put, for CapFriendly, they'll put like, if someone is reportedly, Frege puts out that Max Dolmy signs at the Leafs, they'll put like according to whoever the source is. And then once the official... But not for very long. They get it quick and then they have the

list of the no moves. They have the list of the no trades. Yeah, they get everything quick. They get everything quick. Yeah. So somebody's... Is it an agent? Is it someone in central registry? Probably. That's probably it. But you're right why would they give them that information unless the league appreciates having a public site like

that out there i paid them to have an ad free experience because on this show i'm quickly pulling stuff up i don't need like if you're if you're getting your money back now so i probably cancel my subscription i would imagine so it it's kind, I don't know if this is factual or not, but I'll tell you that there's some people that think that a guy like Lou Lamorello will purposely hold salaries back either from announcing it or maybe even central registry. So the information on the cap doesn't get public. Do you think that might happen more? Could.

That you could... Maybe in more situations like Ottawa where they won't tell people there's a no-trade clause and they'll trade them anyway, and then they'll lose picks. Who knows? Could be fun. I mean, like, what...

I mean, way to go, Lou. Like, what's that going to do? Yeah, that'll get... That maybe will get you... That's one of those Louisms. A second win in the first round next year. I pay more attention to, like, my computer classes. I know you shouldn't go. Don't have to.

You were there. That's a great point. All right. What else is making news out there? Well, they announced the, the four nations face off live on sports net, baby sports net in Boston and Montreal.

Check in. Huh? Check in. Check in. No, no, no. It's too late.

Just get five. He gets off, but no Toronto. Huh? Check in? Check in. No. No. It's too late. You just get the four-event phase off. But no Toronto? Huh? No Toronto? You're not going to have games in Toronto? Are the games not in Toronto? No, Montreal and Boston. What I had heard between, like, even the delay,

somebody mentioned to me that either the league or the PA, or maybe both because they're both in it together, were, like, trying to get tourism money. What do you mean? To the cities. Oh, they want the cities to pay them to come there? Yes. Yeah.

Man, the league. And Boston, I think, stroked a check. They did? Really? I heard that. Interesting. I don't think that's a bad use of tourism money. I don't know.

A million? I don't know what the number would be. I'm guessing. But some suggested maybe a million dollars out of Boston, and Montreal didn't want to pay. I can't really. I can't help what the number would be. I'm guessing, but some suggested maybe a million dollars out of Boston and Montreal didn't want to pay. I can't help but notice that. I wonder if they got money out of Montreal. It'd be interesting to know.

Toronto has no money as a city. We can't have people here. The gardener, we can't get anyone around. Fill a pothole, please. Taking hot air balloons around the city. There is nothing more daunting to me right now than getting in a car in Toronto. I know. It is.

It takes. It's a national known case. It does. It matters. You're about to hear it. Hour and a half to get anywhere. Anyway, it's true. Canada, USA will be on a Saturday night this upcoming February.

Great. Can't wait to watch it from vacation in Florida. Pardon? You're going to be working it, pal. It's not in Toronto. We don't have to work. Fair enough. Six players. They're naming six players at the end of the month. So Canada will announce six

players. I don't think any of them will be a goalie, probably. I'm going to guess. It'll be like the All-Star where they'll not want to go? No. No. People want to be at this. It's been too long since Best on Best. We got Markstrom, a potential target for the Leafs and maybe Sens. GMs express a desire

to tweak the LTIR salary cap rules for playoffs. Any of those? I don't know. I don't have a good feeling about Markstrom going to the Sens or the Leafs. No? No.

Well, the Sens just did their thing, didn't they? Well, they can't pay. What are they paying Corpus Ello? $15 million a year? Yeah, like he's paying a lot of money. So, I don't know. That one doesn't make any sense to me. He's going to end up in New Jersey.

The Leafs makes a lot of sense. Does it? Yes. Older guy, couple years, you can pair him with Wall. Can you get in six and a half yeah you can find a way well they got all this cap space right so anyways yeah until you sign two defensemen too yeah i know i know which they need so the salary cap went up oh yeah to a nice number right 88 or something 88 yeah great what do you think about tweaking the LTIR in the playoffs?

I think that you should have to dress. Your skaters should have to fit under. Not a chance the PA touches that. This serves no purpose to do it. Why not just have a cap-compliant lineup? It's easy. Done. Yeah, no, it makes sense.

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