Real Kyper & Bourne - Nazem Kadri and Leafs Reunion?

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined by former NHL head coach and GM Doug MacLean (2:38) to chat about the importance of having "belief" in a locker room, how that has powered the Minnesota Wild and New Jersey Devils, the Oilers' inconsistency, Connor Bedard's sophomore slump, and why Nazem Kadri could be a good fit to return on the Maple Leafs' roster. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee revisit the Wild's focus on signing Kirill Kaprizov to a long-term contract, discuss Martin Necas's red-hot goal-scoring abilities and answer your questions on the text line!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

all right let's take off the rails friday right into our national hour live on sports that 650 in vancouver sports that 960 in calgary this hour real kipper and born brought to you by bet 365 nick kiprios justin bourne sammy mckee in a few minutes we'll welcome in doug mclean former nhl president president GM and head coach I'm not sure if he's on the beach or if he's at the shuffleboard area of his Boca Vista the Boca Vista is that where he's at yoga we'll find out in a few minutes can I oh go ahead did you see uh the goal Marc-Andre Fleury gave up last night to start the game? I did.

I did, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. It was an insanely bad bounce. But, like, the way he was attempting to play it was also insane. He was trying to, like, was it, like, something you'd see at, like, it's like a swing with a cricket. Bat.

Bat or mallet or whatever you call it. I don't know what he was trying to do. I push it in the corner, obviously, but I can't believe he whiffed that much. One of my favorite things that Grapes used to do in all those Rock'em Sock'ems is he would have like a part of the video where it was like the crazy bounce portion. And the puck does weird things sometimes. And it clearly ate him up, but it was like, what are you trying to do here? He just got caught in between thoughts.

He had an ear on the side of his, you know, what if this hops on me? And that was what, in the first minute? First 30 seconds of his 1,000th NHL start. That's a lot of starts. Do you not watch that? Shouldn't that not have been a bigger deal? That's a lot of starts. The man's gotten a ton of attention already.

He has. Good point. He has. But 1,000 starts. The man's gotten a ton of attention already. He has. Good point. He has. But 1,000 starts, only four guys in NHL history. It's very impressive. Very impressive. And then you thought, okay, this is going to be one of those nights for McDavid.

He could break Sittler's record. If that first one's going in like that, this is going to be a flood. But it was anything but for the Oilers. Can I read you some home stats for the Edmonton Oilers this year? Criticism SportsCenter stats. Yes. The Oilers at home this season, goals per game, rather important, 2.27, 31st in the National Hockey League.

Goal differential, minus 13th, 31st in the National Hockey League. Save percentage, 871, 30th in the National Hockey League, all at home, those totals. What's going on? Boy, there's 10 and 9 on the year. Oh. Okay, according to our tech guru, Derek Brandeo, Doug McClain is now ready for us and really, really excited,

according to Derek. Is that a good scoop from Derek, that you're really, really excited? You know what? Fridays are a special day for me. You know, I spend a lot of the day prepping for this show. I went down, I swam for 45 minutes. I had a sauna, and I went, sat in the whirlpool, come up and had a shower, going out to friends for dinner. But this,

this is always a special time for me every Friday. Can you say it with like a little bit more excitement and you're not reading it off a cue card? Well, I wish I would have had a chance to listen to the last hour when you guys were talking Leafs, but I missed it. You know, I missed the opportunity to hear all. But did you seriously say that Robertson reminds you of St. Louis?

You're joking, right? In Calgary. No, you're joking. I watched St. Louis and St. John, Vermont. It's not even close. Why did Calgary let him leave? Well, you'll have to ask Nick Polano that. And Nick's passed.

Maybe Nick. And Craig Button. Wasn't Craig there, too? Maybe Craig Button, too. But maybe one of them thought that he looked like Robertson. My guys loved him. Paul Castron, Donny Boyd, they all loved him. And I was too dumb.

Yes. Thank you for saying it because I was about to. Wow. Right? Smarty pants. Why didn't you get him if he was so great that you saw him? Because I thought he was Nick Robertson. Anyway.

So, okay, like we started a little bit on the Edmonton Oilers here and watching a Minnesota Wild team that we, did anybody think that they could compete this year? They're still coming off those dreadful contracts and all Billy Guerin of Zach Parise and Suter. And all Guerin's done is just put this team in a position to contend. And you know what?

They were bad at times last year. Really bad. And no, I wouldn't have predicted they were going to be good this year. Fleury. Fleury. I know we let in the tough one last night, but listen, this guy helps the culture tremendously. And it's all about when you can get teams to believe they have a chance to win, when you can get that culture where you believe you have a chance to win,

it can really change the dynamic. And we've seen it in Winnipeg we see it in new jersey have a look at jersey's blue line you're talking leafs competing for a stanley cup have a look at the the blue line in new jersey okay let me just give you this quickly wait let me see if i can find it here. Pesci, okay? Hughes. I mean, Hamilton, a guy that's come in out of the blue and given them great minutes is – oh, what the hell is his name? Kovacevic. Kovacevic, Hamilton, Dillon, Hughes, Siegenthaler, Pesci.

That is a good-looking Stanley Cup playoff blue line right there, guys. And that's one of the reasons they beat Carolina last night. Those are two contenders for the Stanley Cup all of a sudden. And it starts in the back end. And you know what they've got for speed up front. They're believing that they can win. That's what's going on in Minnesota. And the culture is so critical, you know, believing that you actually have a chance to win.

Are the Leafs getting there? Not yet for me, but they're playing awful well. Okay, before that, I just wanted to start. We started off with Ed admittance so is that your point now that we can look at emerson brown stature and go is that really is that really a blue line that came within one game of winning a stanley cup last season it's it's not and then you look at where they are in goals for, where they are in goals, giving up goals, giving up chances, where their goaltending is.

It's, you know, and then they bring in Kapanen. Like, why? Like, what are they thinking about to play in the regular season? This is a Stanley Cup contender, and you're bringing Kapanen into your dressing room? And what am I missing here? Like, seriously. What are you saying here? What am I saying is that why would you go there?

Why would you waste any amount of money on him? Well, they're hurt, right? They got guys out. Bring guys up from Bakersfield. You're going to make the playoffs. You're going to make the playoffs and save that $775 million or whatever he's making and pay it to somebody else. But, I mean, right now, this is a – them and Vancouver,

I thought they were both going to be the two best teams in the West. And right now, Alvin, he's trying to turn them into the Swedish national team in Vancouver. I mean, Tockett must be really excited. And now they lose their engine, JT Miller, for whatever reason. I don't know. Hopefully it's not serious. They need him back. But look, building a winning team, look, it's so tough in the NHL.

But these additions aren't helping their chances win a stanley cop you know it's funny you know you're you're talking about culture and you know the the culture of winning and believing you could win i'm watching this senator's team got the jersey behind me here you know looking to turn the corner they just can't get it going brady kachuk's in the media talking about you know no more bs excuses and it just what is what are they lacking why can't the senators just take hold of a season you know and you know what when i when i jotted that down believing is winning i was thinking of the ottawa senators because you've got your gm who he's patting himself in the back for all the moves he made and I look at the moves he made and I love this young group of players in Ottawa I said that

last week I love this young group of players but Amodio uh I'm sorry he he's not a guy that's that's gonna take it home for you. I mean, Olmark. I think they're worried about Olmark right now, guys. I think they're worried that this guy may not be the real deal. I mean, he's talking way too much. He's not stopping the puck. We all loved him in Boston. We all loved him in Boston. But I'd be really nervous right now from what I'm seeing, a couple of good games and that's it.

And, you know, their top young guys are stars, but we've seen lots of teams that have all these great young players. I've listened to Buffalo for the last three years. I've listened to Columbus for the last three years. All these young prospects that are going to become stars. It's really tough to win in the NHL. And, you know, right now they've got two tough games coming up at home with the way Calgary's playing. And then they go 14 of 19 on the road in Ottawa. I mean, and look, guys, if you're not in the playoffs after 20 games, there's one or two teams that flip, and that's it. That's it.

The Boston Bruins I looked at today, they got to go 35-24 and something to make the playoffs because they were 19 points at 20 games. Like, it's tough when you get past the 20-game mark to flip spots. So if you're out today, you've got to grind big time. Mac, we know the race to sign all of these kids to long-term deals. And like you said, we like them too. But would you take one of Bathurston, Norris, Ridley Gregg, Pinto, Stutzel, Bathurston,

I don't know, one of them, and just say, let's move something out here just to open up the floodgates maybe. Well, yeah, they're going to have to consider that. And, you know, Stahel says, well, you guys better sort it out in the dressing room. I'm sorry. Who's going to sort it out? They're great young players. Giroux, is he going to sort it out?

He's played really well. Give him full marks. But he's not a guy that's at this stage of his career is going to sort it out in the dressing room. And, you know, so all of a sudden your gm is saying that that that would make me really nervous and i'm sitting here last week i was raving about this team and right now watching them play lately i'm nervous and i know they're playing they're getting lots of scoring opportunities but there's something missing with that group there's something drastically missing with that group and look we watch it with so many franchises,

and to make it and get over the hump is really, really tough. So we're talking about, you know, good teams, good players trying to find it. Guy that we've talked about before the show is Conor Bedard. Conor Bedard is now on an 11-game goalless drought. He's playing on the wing on a line with Joey Anderson and Jason Dickinson for a bad Chicago team. What do you make of his season so far? Well, you know, I brought it up a couple of weeks ago on this show

that teams are playing him tough right now. You know, he doesn't have the greatest foot speed. He's not a guy. He's not a Connor McDavid speed guy that's going to beat you. He's a skilled kid. He's a heck of a hockey player. But they're backing off him in the neutral zone. They're angling him.

And he's having a tough time. Teams are focused on him. Teams are playing him different. And for a young player to overcome that at this early in his career without a supporting cast. Listen, I was with eisenman for five years in detroit and i've told you that before this guy really struggled early in his career yeah he was scorned but he couldn't get it all together at playoff time because he didn't have a good enough supporting cast once stevie y got the great supporting cast he became the

greatest cat one of the greatest captains in history of the game and won a bunch of Stanley Cups. But I'm telling you, they all go through it. And you've got to support these guys. I mean, I had it with Nash. I spent half my time trying to. I brought in Andrew Castles to play with Nash, coming off a real good few years in Vancouver. I brought in Fedorov to smarten up Jared Evans, play with Nash.

You know, just you're always spinning, trying to find the right people to come into your dressing room. And it's not easy. And Ottawa's faced with that. Chicago's faced with that. Detroit even are faced with that. I mean, Stevie White has tried three years in a row to sign a bunch of free agents.

Stahels did it this year. And Poulin, by the way, Poulin, I haven't heard his name mentioned in the last two months. I read press conference after press conference all summer. I haven't heard his name. But look, you know, it's hard. Everybody thinks they're signing

these free agents in the summer that are going to come in and mold the group together. Doesn't work. It's a long road. I mean, look at what New Jersey did. They brought in a few defensemen and they brought in a goaltender. A goaltender.

Right now, they didn't make the playoffs last year. And today you'd have to say they're a Stanley Cup contender with Carolina and with Florida in the East. And Tommy Fitz has done a solid job because he brought in real players. Pesce has had great years in the NHL. You know, Hamilton's been there.

Hughes is developing. I mean, they've changed their back end, you know? So it really, it really, it changes the look of the team. But bringing in fringe guys and throwing them in there, it just complicates it. We're talking to Doug McClain. I'm teeing you up. I'm teeing you up.

Just catch a breath, for God's sakes. Well, I get excited. I know you're excited. When I get a chance to get on this show. He is former. Jill's mad at me. I was supposed to walk the dog because we got to go out after and we're racing to get to friends and she she used to like you and now when i bring

up the kipper show she snapped okay tell her we'll get you back uh washing the dishes or whatever you were doing before um i just want to go back on conor bedard for a second okay because you brought up stevie eisman on a couple occasions already but you know and stevie was a a top pick but you know what stevie wasn't labeled a generational player and if we go back to maybe bobby or we're talking about a handful of guys that get that label. And we threw it all over Bedard. And I'm not saying that, you know, by the end of his career, he's not special or he won't be lumped in.

But what are the odds that people were wrong, that he'll just be a very good player, a solid player, an all-star player, but not a generational type of guy that will be mentioned with some of the greats in the history of the game. Could that have played a part now on maybe what he's going through personally? I think not. I think he's going to be a stud. I think he's going to be a great young player. And I think if he went in with a team and look, Stevie Y was with a bad Detroit team and Jimmy D and Kenny Hall and the group built around it, built around it. If we saw this kid get the opportunity that Hughes is getting in New Jersey or Seth Jarvis is getting, and they're not the same. They're not as good. Well, Hughes is as good a player.

He might be a generational player, this guy. But Carolina, New Jersey, with good hockey teams, it would have made a big difference. But to come into Chicago, and I know it happens because it's the worst team gets the best player typically. You know, it's a grind for them. And they tried to surround them with a bunch of guys this year that everybody tries to do. And it doesn't work that way. It just doesn't work.

You've got to get real players players and they're hard to find it's funny ducks we see teams tear it down because they want to get a top pick and they tear it so ridiculously down that it's like it it takes forever to build it back up and we've seen san jose do that most recently excuse me and i worry about them a little bit but macklin celebrini's only played 10 games but really is showing signs of being the real deal for them how quickly should they start to add players and try to win hockey games because I don't think you can just flip the switch in a year you you've got to add real players and you've got to make tough decisions and tough trades to bring real players into your team

and it's it's it and you what, it's easy to say. I mean, when I was in the fire, when I was trying to build a team in Columbus, like it is such a grind to bring in those types of players. But, you know, it starts, number one, with great goaltending. And you've got to build still. It hasn't changed in 25 years, guys. You still have to build the back end, starting with goaltending,

and you've got to find the right type of players to come into your team that are going to be there for a long time. This patching, like, I look at Ottawa, like Perron comes in now. I mean, I know he's having major off-ice family problems, I feel for him, but some of these guys that are coming in there, they're at the end of it. Foligno was a great captain, a great kid, a great player. But at this stage in his career, I know you want leadership around these kids, but you need guys that can play.

Mack, is that why we see teams just overspend at UFA because they're as desperate as you just made them out to be? And is that what Chicago needs to do? Go wait and hopefully that a Marner's out there or a Rantanen's out there or a Brad Marchand's out there for two or three years? Well, you know, if you're going to, it's tearing it down, but it's getting your cap ready like you know columbus have tried to tear it down what four five times

now in their 24 years i mean how many rebuilds have they had i mean i've been gone for 12 years i'm still being blamed for it but like seriously they've had four rebuilds since I left. So, yeah, you've got to make those right signings and real players. And they don't have to be a Marner, but they've got to be a bonafide NHL player that's going to come in. And, you know, we see, I know Hyman's struggling this year, but he was acquired in the offseason as an unrestricted free agent. Marner's probably going to be available, you know. And like you said, he's probably going to get eight or 9 million.

Eight for sure. What, you know, and the other, like, I love Vegas. I see Mark Stone's out now. Like Mark Stone should be called Captain Cap. When Mark Stone goes out, how long is he going to be out? Is he going to be out till the playoffs and all of a sudden there's $9 billion in cap space? Or is Mark Stone? And look, there's not a person or a player in the league that doesn't love Mark Stone.

And I do. I love the way this guy competes andes and plays but now he's out like is he gonna be a guy that's gonna be out to the to the end till till the playoffs and all of a sudden kelly's got nine million to play with there you know it's gonna be you know that's gonna be interesting to watch now mark stone will probably be back next week. But that's how you win Stanley Cups now, is you get that LTI extended. Yeah, that's a great little loophole that they've done great by. So, you know, kind of go around Canada.

We haven't got fully to Vancouver yet. Their record is still pretty good, but everyone's talking about this Canucks team like things are a bit of a mess. What are your thoughts on what's going on there? Well, it's a mess because they lose at home. That's the downside. Pedersen's gone through problems. Besser's

been out. There's been lots of injuries. They lost. You know, Zdorov was a good player there last year because he was in the right spot. He fit in perfectly there now. to boston and he's he's a major problem i mean he's not doesn't look like anywhere near the same player myers was a bet they had a big back end last year demko was a top goaltender in the league and he

hasn't played so i think once they get things settled down and get people back there you know and into the mix but they don't want to move to their young prospects too quick they've got to they've got to win right now and they've got to have some quality veterans there patterson looks like he's coming out of it i still think they're going to be a lot better i really do and i i know alvin loves the swedish national team and i was joking he's you know well he's he's making them a little bit like that, but not totally. So, I'm starting to read that Zdorov could

end up back in Vancouver. I think Elliot Friedman kind of threw it out there. And I'm asking you, if Zdorov ends up going back to Vancouver and Boston has to eat a little bit of the money, is someone else getting fired in Boston has to eat a little bit of the money. Is someone else getting fired in Boston besides Montgomery?

They wouldn't do that. You can't admit defeat like that already. Yeah, that would shock me, but nothing would surprise me. And look, they'd love to have him back because he was an important guy for them last year. And, I mean, he was with Mccavoy a few times i saw him i'm thinking oh my god that looks like a a crash test dummies out there with watching those two play and mcavoy's star so he was you know he's they've got to get him back playing too the way he can but

i that would surprise me but it wouldn't surprise me that vancouver would want him back and uh you know we're while we're talking about things that we've heard, we were discussing earlier the potential for a guy like Kadri to come back to Toronto. They're looking for a third-line center somewhere along the way. What do you think, Matt? Could it happen, a reunion one day? Look, I said earlier today that that was the gist of my whole show tonight

is Toronto have got to get cadry they got to go get them they've got to go get them if you're going to play against the teams in the playoffs the florida panthers the carolina hurricanes the new jersey devils the rain they need a cadry and i know people in toronto say mclean's a clueless. I'm telling you, if I'm Brad Tree Living and I hear they're kicking tires. I heard today they were kicking tires there. Tree Living's got his hands full because of a little animosity there, you know, left. And the Uberto deal still stings the ownership there. But everything he can do in his power.

You go into the playoffs with the Toronto Maple Leafs, with Matthews at one, I might have Kadri at two and Tavares at three, but I'll tell you what, if they get him and they go against Florida and these teams, it is going to be a different series. It is going to be a war. The passion is strong to my left.

He's feeling it okay he is gonna bring the hock and paws and some of these guys into the war you cannot do that to sammy on a friday my friend i'm telling you i'm telling you that's the number one thing i would say to brad traley and maybe try to get wiegerghur out of there. Figure out the cap. They got all these geniuses running around there. That's all they do is work cap numbers. Mac. Figure it out. Pull a Mark Stone out of the woodwork.

Brad Treliving could not get Chris Tanov to Toronto last year and needed to wait to free agency. What are the odds that Calgary would deal? Well, I'm just, look look i'm just trying to help sammy see a stanley cup before he's dead you know we're working at uh wherever he's going next lcbo walmart whatever they got bags now they brought the bags back at the lcbo so they're going to need you amazing i'm just telling, if they don't get that element, and I, you know, I hear you, Tom Domi, and I love Ty,

and I love his kid, and, you know, and I camp, and what's the other guy's name? The big guy. Big son. Holmberg. Like, are you serious? You're going to go to war? Come on.

Get Cadry. Colorado hasn't been the war? Come on, get Cadbury. Colorado hasn't been the same since he left, as I said. Figure it out. Figure out a way to get it done. Put those geniuses, those cap geniuses to work in Toronto. Tell everybody how smart they are in the offseason. Do it in the in-season. Speaking of Calgary, like, a little bit of love hey for this hockey club

me you know what um the kids a hell of a coach there he's got them playing really well and i heard great things about ryan before he got the job uh good job in the american league they really wanted him bad that's the way they wanted to go. They knew they were going to rebuild. And this guy, I'm hearing great things about him. I'm hearing that he's a real good coach. And he's got them playing really well. I'm Ottawa. I'm a little nervous with them coming in the way they're playing. I don't think it'll be long before we start hearing some really good things about you.

I can feel it after this segment. Hey, listen. When the kid in Calgary is all-star coach two years in a row, then you get to do the Kipper show when you're retired. I'm sure Huska's watching right now going, that's my goal to be Doug McClain right now on a show 20, 30 years from now. We do appreciate your time, Doug. We got some good young coaches in the league.

But I'm serious about Cadre. You guys can all chuckle all you want. We're not chuckling. But I would figure it out and go get them. I'm convinced. Bring some nastiness into that group. Can they retain two mil for me? As you do on our show.

We'll get them to hang on to two mil? Yeah, sure. I don't know. Somebody in the league will retain it yeah retain it get them for five columbus have i got what's columbus got 20 million in cap space and you've got some great young prospects to move sorry you're gonna have to move now my last thought is the league put out a video on headshots. Again? Yeah. Like no, no more confusion for you, right? You now know for sure what a headshot is and what isn't.

You're good, right? I was till I watched Sportsnet the other night. May confuse me even more. Like I thought it was, I thought it was a good hit. I thought, you know, I understood the explanation for it I trust when the referees look at it in slow motion and the guy in the video room look a former referee looks at it or linesman looks at it in the video room they can make the right call I didn't mind it I love seeing that hit I. I don't like seeing Nyes get hurt because he's an important kid and he looks like he's going to be a good player.

But I love the hit. And I love, you know what I love too? I love, this is the other thing I like about the Leafs right now. They got some grease on the back end. Benoit jumps in. Tanev was real good against the other night. You know, I just like what I'm seeing from the back end there with McCabe is greasy.

At least he's greasy. And if you're not greasy at playoff time, Oliver Ekman-Larsen was greasy last year in the playoffs for Florida. So I like – and then you look at their goal-tending. Is there better goal-tenning right now in the NHL than the way the kid has played from Florida and Wall had a great

game against Vegas the other night? They're set up now to do something. So go do it. I don't think Doug's ever said that before. Are you coming up for the parade? I've always laughed at the third and fourth lines because they were a waste of time. They were a waste of time. Are you going up for the parade? I've always laughed at the third and fourth lines because they were a waste of time. They were a waste of time.

Are you going to make the parade in June? No, I'll be busy. I'll be busy. But, you know, I'll be I'll feel good that Brad listened to me and went and got the guys he needs. Forget about all these fringe guys. Go get some real guys. All right. Great stuff, man.

Thanks, Mac. Thanks, Mac. Have a great dinner. Tell your dog we said hi. Hey, thanks. Thanks for having me on, guys. Like, seriously. Tell Jill.

We really appreciate it. I can rock Newman now. His dog's name is Newman. Newman. Doug McClain is Newman. Newman. Doug McClain, everybody. Great. Great stuff.

Spectacular. He had it today. It's like drinking from a fire hose with him. I don't even remember anything that just happened. I can't even – I wanted to ask him one more question about Berard, but he went to like three other subjects after that, and I'm like, I don't remember what I was going to ask him now. Sammy achieved nirvana during the Kadri talk. He was excited.

I cannot tell you how much that would instill passion. Passion would be back. I mean, the passion never left me. There's times where it seems like it might have, but it never really does. But if you brought Kadri back to this fan base, like we got 10 texts. I'm getting multiple. Yes, Doug. People love Kadri in this market. He is beloved here.

So maybe he shouldn't come back because maybe it starts to go bad. Get Tim Brent. I don't believe for one second that they're shopping him right now. Could they be in a position to listen to some offers for Kadri by February or March? But they're in the thick of things like they

are right now they're not trading them it might be hard what are they trying to do what are they trying to do you tell me they're trying to win in 2027 every time they win they beat the rangers last night it's like i think i think they have 20 something shots in the first buddy they had 37 shots through two periods what the hell is going on? Good coach. Yeah. Stop it. If I'm them, I'm like, can you stop coaching good? You still got to listen.

You got to listen to offers. Like I said, the most important thing is they get to the building. They can crank those prices up with a good team. Because those prices are going up. Yeah. Well, they're playing in a dilapidated... All right, what do you got, Sammy? Game time? Let's go.

Should we go after the break? No, no, we'll do it. We'll do it right now. Are you producing now? Well, I'm advising. Well, listen, you're also sneezing and coughing, too. Here's the thing, though. I'm the producer and I talk, so he's allowed to produce, too, right?

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So I was looking at a few futures in the National Hockey League. Looking at the Hart Memorial Trophy favorites for the MVP of the league. Kirill Kaprizov is the favorite at plus 275 favorite favorite plus 275 nathan mckinnon plus 400 conor mcdavid plus 400 kucherov six to one and then it goes up to panarin at 12 to one then mccarr at 25 to one is the next list what if he just smacked a bunch of money on both McDavid and McKinnon at plus 400?

And your odds are pretty good. Why is Stolarz not mentioned that? He's just been as valuable to Toronto as anybody. Yeah. Hmm. You know, they don't love to give it to goalies, but it's not a bad point. I'm just looking through here. I don't even know if I can find it.

Where did you say Hughes was, Quinn Hughes? Quinn Hughes is... I'm just having a here. I don't even know if I can find it. Where did you say Hughes was? Quinn Hughes is... I'm just having a tough time. He's behind Makar? Yeah. Boy. He's pretty awesome. They've still got Austin Matthews on that list. Do they not?

Austin Matthews is 40-1 right now. Quinn Hughes is 100-1. That's a good bet. That's a good bet. That is a good bet. Not that I think you'll win the bet, but I think odds value-wise. And Jack Adams, award winner. I think Brock Besser may play this weekend.

Oh, really? Maybe. I think he's going on the trip. He's still leading the Canucks in goals. He's got 11 goals. Who do you think's the... You've got to start thinking about signing him, too, by the way. Okay.

Who do you think the favorite for Jack Adams is? Jack Adams?? Jack Adams? Sheldon? Keefe. It is not Sheldon Keefe. Sheldon Keefe is 16 to 1. Who? Spencer Carberry is a big favorite.

That's right. Plus 180. I mean, Scott Arneal is not? Yeah. Scott Arneal should be the favorite. Plus 375? Great point. I think they should be co-favorites.

Like, the Jets were a good team last year. I think they should be co-favorites. Like, the Jets were a good team last year. I think they were a 110-point team last year. So, what Arneal's doing is less shocking than what Carberry's doing. And the last thing I'll bring up quickly. Yeah, I'd definitely go with that. The last thing I'll bring up quickly. The NHL Stanley Cup favorite still, according to Bet365,

is the Edmonton Oilers at 9-1. What? Yeah. No. Yep. No. 9-1. Come on. Still the favorite. Favorite to win the Stanley Cup.

Yeah. Yeah. They're not budging. And the Toronto Maple Leafs are next at 10-1. They should watch some games. I do think it's related a lot to who are you going to play. Like round one, they're getting LA, you know, or a team like that. Around what are they going to?

I don't know. Maybe round one, they're on the golf course. We don't know. We don't know. Never know. Hey. You know Seattle? I think like that. Around what are they going to? I don't know. Maybe around one they're on the golf course. We don't know. Never know. You know Seattle? I think Seattle's 10-9 now. Hey, Oilers need a trade. And they need to do it soon.

Happening not enough? No. Please. Doug said it. If you like the Winnipeg Jets. Doug was implying he didn't like that at all. No. Winnipeg Jets are a lot of fun.

Not implying. Saying. Didn't like it. All right. You have been ignored so much in the last three minutes. three minutes you guys do a really great job not ignoring me so you should ignore me more uh that was game time instead of my bet 365 visit the athlete's dogs and find out why it's never ordinary at bet 365 it's 19 plus terry only please play responsibly okay we'll take a quick break and uh sammy you got a few texts still to go here, eh?

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It's the Fan Hockey Show on Sportsnet 590, The Fan, and wherever you get your podcasts. All right, down the stretch we come on the Real Kipper and Bourne Show. This is our Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet365, Nick Kiprios, Justin Moore, Sammy McKee. I get a few texts from my buddies every once in a while, and they're like, I love Mac. I love Mac. It's like, he's just.

He's great. He brings the heat. He was out there today, too. And in fairness, we joke a lot with him. But, like, we really appreciate, I do, that he gives us his time. He is not a... So you're confirming we're not paying him. That's what you're doing right now. He is not earning money for this.

And he gives us time every Friday at, you know, this time. That's not nothing. So very cool. Yeah, yeah. And Jill, his wife, would not agree. I'm not worried about their finances. Let's put it that way. The first text we got after I said about the Leafs,

I said, hey, I love the show, but I hate the Leafs. When are you guys going to talk about the young guns in Calgary? Zari, Coronado, and Wolfe go Flames. We talked about it with the general manager of the Flames earlier this week. We literally had the team on. It was yesterday. And you can download that show at any time.

But, again, Zari with an incredible goal on the game-winning goal against the Rangers. And it was, yeah. I know. You don't, a puck cannot. No, from that angle. It went short side right underneath. Regardless, even if it was redirected, like you said,

you got to get enough on it. Makes a great play. From that angle. All you can do. From that angle. And you don't see Shuster can give up that type of goal very often. Coronado, his family's house in Greenlawn, backs up to the Gillies. Oh, really?

He's a grew-up Islanders fan. He can shoot a puck, too. He can shoot a puck. Nice goalie yesterday. Got to tell you, I'm not a huge goalie guy, but I think my favorite goalie to watch outside of the least goalies is Wolf. Yeah, I love his posture, his stances. He just looks like a star goalie.

Also, Shesterkin made a wild save. By the way, Johnny Lazarus, I believe is the name, tweeted a, he's a New York Rangers guy, tweeted a hand-signing emoji and eyeballs a la Kevin Weeks. Is it Shesterkin time? Is he about to get his money? Could be today. They just need to go above Panarin.

Well, no kidding. I think 11-7-5, you could leak that and then that would really put a lot of pressure on Shusterkin because the Rangers can go back and say, you wanted to be the highest guy. You are.

Now, what are we doing here? Just bringing the public into it thing, though, like it went for Swayman. I don't think it helps relationships. I agree. this is different uh for me it's there's no comparable shisterkin's got him by the short ones guys i also think like there's not like the swayman thing where the way he's played this year i don't know if shisterkin has that in him you know like where he's just gonna be flat out bad like i don't i don't see that ever really happening in any scenario.

If, if you want to, if you want to talk about public and putting it out there, who put out more in the history of potential free agents than the Minnesota wild who told Kirill the thrill, whatever it takes. Write your check. We'll sign it. No one is outbidding us. I love that. Like, to me.

I mean, I don't love it strategically. Good on them. For sure. Good on them. It's Minnesota. You got to keep them. Because they have no choice. He's a favorite for the MVP in the league.

They're like, how much do you want to hamstring our cap? You decide. Here's the check. You're going to be here. You decide. There's that saying, okay? There's three priorities. Number one is you do whatever it takes to sign him.

Number two priority is get him as cheap as possible and the third priority is don't let priority priority number two mess with priority number one yes well said yeah nothing to add that that's bang on yeah let's let's let's do it here and uh there could be a conversation about that for a certain forward in toronto okay uh marty natchez. Marty Natchez for Carolina has been doing very well. No other comment than that. But maybe there's just no other comment than that. On pace for 130 plus points, I believe. If you look at the speed burst stats on NHL.com slash edge,

it's like McDavid, McKinnon, Natchez. That's like he's always one of those guys. And I had heard that they were shopping him earlier, maybe in the summer. Yeah, but they weren't really shopping him. But that's just a team that hates paying players. Oh, they hate it. That's all.

Right? And it's just going to catch up with them and everyone else because there's new money coming in and there's a new standard here. He's making six and a half. Six and a half? And he makes six and a half next year. Oh, my God. You can sign him this, what?

Is that January 1st or July 1st? July 1st. July 1st. Yeah. And then, yeah, now you owe your winger 12. Congratulations. What's his biggest year before this? I don't know.

It's a little bit Huberto-esque. Where did this come from? He's 25. 25. Oh, my gosh. 25. And his biggest year prior to this was a 71-point season two years ago. 28 goals, 71 points.

It's fair to say he's probably going to blow past that. I think he might be there by the all-star break. I'm telling you, I know Elliot put something out earlier. I had something in my news and notes for my Toronto Star article. The cap's going up and negotiations are starting. And depending on who you talk to, it's going to be real interesting how they forecast the new money and how they are going to allocate it

and where is it going to drive big markets back up and where some other small markets won't get to the floor. Don't you think the game needs that a little bit? Not that it won't get to the floor. I mean, everyone has to get to the floor. No, no. But won't get to the floor i mean everyone has to get to the floor no no but won't compete spend there i don't know three four or five years is a cap 105 110 115 and yeah how many teams now realistically realistically will not be able to get to the cap yeah well

what's funny is like the salary cap this year is 88 million and you have uh i want to say 25 teams paying over 80 you know and i would say at least half the league is over 85 so everyone is within a breath of the cap it's not there's going to be separation in a team like toronto to your point should be able to use its financial might to their advantage because a team like Columbus is never going to up their salary cap. They would have to spend another $50 million. And they can't. They physically don't. The owners don't have the money to do that.

$50 million a year, actually. So the biggest problem, not to get into the whole thing, but the biggest problem the players have had over 15, 20 years has been what? Escrow. Sure. Right sure right yeah they hate it so what happens now when the cap goes up and you're forcing teams to spend and some of them won't spend but the revenues keep driving up what we're going to start hearing now is a term called shortfall meaning it's the opposite of escrow escrow is when the players play pay to make sure that the owners get their fair split but if the revenues outdrive

the spending and the players are allocated 50 then they get to turn around and take the money off the owners yeah so you're gonna attack 10 on our salaries owners a lot so it's the opposite of escrow now it's the owners that have to stroke a check back to the players okay so you know they're making so much money that that's but it's a good thing but but yeah it's a good thing yeah but they're they're owed the money of the split. So you can't give it to them in contracts, right? Because a lot of them are tied in and, like, there's nowhere to spend the money. The money's coming in and the revenue and the sponsorship and it's driving everything up.

So teams could conceivably spend enough that there wouldn't be a shortfall, but because teams aren't going to spend that much, there will be shortfall yes and now you got to give it back to the players and would that be divided amongst all the players uh if i'm a star player like leon dry settle i say fat chance because think about it if if i paid 15 escrow on my salary and you're paying the same split, but you're making 700,000 and I'm paying 10 million. I've paid a lot more escrow than you did. And now we're going to equal it out when it comes back. Me and Nick Robertson are not splitting the extra money.

So if the money doesn't get spent and Dreissel is making 14, he can make another million and a half in shortfall of the money. It's a real interesting dynamic moving of the money. It's like, it's, it's a real interesting dynamic moving forward. Yeah. And you know what? And people hate this.

I don't even want my mom to hear this, but they're underpaid. They're underpaid. Every owners are making a fortune on them. NBA players are making 50 and 60 million per year. MLB players are making 50, 60 million per year. It's crazy. they're way behind

what's that yeah they're way behind in terms of what the sport generates i know what they get like mlse here they're looking at over 100 million dollars just in sponsorship money just sponsorship money quick one crazy dave in colonna hey what'sowna. Just to check to see if I got the number right. You did, Dave. Do you think the Oilers can keep gambling on Skinner and Nett, or do they need a real goalie? No, they can't. This is preposterous now.

I will say this, that if I have to make a decision on Skinner, I have to play better in front of him. Go and look at the goals last night that the Oilers gave up. Oh, come on. But there's no coverage out front. Skinner could have made the first save, but it's the second and the third one. There's no doubt that last night he was hung up.

They are not anywhere near championship caliber defensive coverage. I'll throw it on the coaches. They're not playing. In front of Skinner, they look horrible. Tammy goes to me, do you think Knobloch's in trouble?

He hasn't been there 12 months. But, you know, it's just like, it's not going great. But Skinner's an 876. Not a chance. The coach is in trouble. Not a chance. 876 is wretched. He's near the bottom of the league in pretty much every category.

Stan Bowman needs to go out there and change it up a little bit on this team. They're dying for a defenseman. They need one badly. They got, like, you know, he watched that game against the Leafs. Now they're talking about Pittsburgh's Marcus. Pedersen? Pedersen? No.

It's like, no. They need a defender. He can't. That guy's, is he not a 50-point guy kind of guy? I mean, honestly, I don't know. But he's not. He's not. He can't.

He's not. No. They need another Ekholm-type trade that they made that time. They need one of those guys. Yeah. Which are hard to find. Yeah. That's a tough spot to be in.

I love Ekholm. Yeah. There's not many guys around the league available like that. If he's not at the top of his game, the Oilers really have no chance back there. Yeah. And Nurse, they got to get him back. Yeah, he helps. Right?

Last night, they really missed him. Bouchard is an unbelievable player. Like, what a talent. And he's just, you never know what's going to happen when he's out there. He needs to get better defensively. He does. You never know what's going to happen when he's out there. Either way, it's a blast.

And I don't know if he's thinking about his contract or what, but right now, I wouldn't pay him $10 million. You know, Eric Carlson hasn't helped him. Eric Carlson hasn't helped him when you said, like, he can put up 100 points, but teams are just like, we can't. We don't want to put him on the ice right now. Saturday night off, boys.

Yeah. What are you going to do? Same thing I do every night. I did radio today in Edmont boys. Yeah. What are you going to do? Same thing I do every night. Pinky? I did radio today in Edmonton. Nice. With who? There's no Leafs on Saturday night.

Have they canceled Hockey Night in Canada? I love it. Who'd you go on with? Uh-oh. No, no, no. I can't remember. They're all the same, aren't they? They just called me up.

You want to go on the radio? Yeah, let's go on the radio. Sorry for calling you that, Scott. No, Kevin was great. That was my host. Yeah. All right. Yeah.

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