Real Kyper & Bourne - Next Steps for Canada's Teams with Garry Galley

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

Former NHLer and Hockey Night in Canada's Garry Galley (4:56) joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to discuss how the Ottawa Senators take the next steps towards playoff contention, why the Winnipeg Jets aren't far away from being contenders again, how Thatcher Demko's return changes the Vancouver Canucks' vibes, whether Stuart Skinner is the guy for the Edmonton Oilers, and the changes behind the bench in Chicago and Boston. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee dive into the conversation of flopping in the NHL, the Colorado Avalanche and San Jose Sharks swapping goaltenders and Sens' owner Michael Andlauer calling foul on Brady Tkachuk trade rumours.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

we're back in our national hour the kiprios justin bourne sammy mckee we're live on sports at 650 in vancouver sports at 960 Calgary. This hour of real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet365. We'll track down Gary Gally, former NHLer, color analyst for the Sportsnet, Hockey Night in Canada. Busy weekend. Sammy didn't get his baseball started, the Blue Jays. I never thought it was happening. I actually sent a tweet.

I'm like, thank God that's over. So now that they can focus on people they actually have a chance with. They apparently offered $760 million. Good offer. Great offer. Not a bad offer. I would take that. For sure.

Which would be the equivalent, I believe, maybe $1.1 billion Canadian. Oh, okay. Right? That's cool. So if the Jays continue to sell on Tuesdays hot dogs for a dollar. They just went up to $32.50. Yeah. They'd have to change that.

I saw our former colleague, Alex Wong, he put out a tweet, said that he saw the raise offered him $765 million over 765 years. Yeah. Let's just keep trying to sell it years. Yeah. That's very good. Well, anyway. Anyways. We want to get a thought on the Board of Governor meetings that are going on down there.

I'm really not sure if there's anything significant that's going to come out of this. It's just so the boards get to go have a backdrop with the beach. That's great. You used to do this, didn i yes i did and then you it's nice but you can't do anything because you just sit around you wait yeah for what can't show any news at all and then the broadcast and then between elliot and drager and chris john they all like race to get whatever they can out first. And it's like, I'll be over here having lunch, boys. Four? No, there's no four.

There's no golf. No golf? There's no golf. Okay. No, no. They actually do meet for, I don't know, eight hours a day and really talk about nothing. But I'm sure expansion might be involved in some of the side talks if they're not officially on the agenda the other one is i think tv money is going to be a hot topic now

with contracts running out in a couple of years including ours yeah so uh what do you make of this Ann Lauer thing? So just to give it some background here, Michael Ann Lauer I think met with some in the media. Elliot Friedman has a report on sportsnet.ca where the Rangers were backhandedly accused of soft tampering. Is that the way we got it?

Tampering. Sammy? Not a hard tamper. This is a quote from Ann Lauer saying that, you know, this is about protecting our fans and players and families. Brady and his wife Emma just had a baby. They don't need that in their lives. I'm trying to read down some more quotes, but he's going to have more. I just, like, names show up in trade rumors a lot.

So this stems from a New York Post report saying that the Rangers have made calls or had interest. Can you just so I'm accurate on they said there's more to this story. The Whopper. That's what I remember. That the Rangers would be in on brady kachuk yeah and that's the gist of it and they obviously senator's owner michael anlauer did not like that one bit no and to ottawa their defense everything that they have said is like absolutely not we

have him under contract this year and three more years after this we want him he's our captain from from uh december 6 larry brooks sent her a tweet with a with an article after the truba thing saying there's more to come blue shirts targeting brady kachuk and trade talks which what would be a whopper and it would be a whopper it would be good yeah i love that uh and lauer is basically getting out ahead of this and saying this is ridiculous and we want nothing to do with this and we don't like what's happened here. I think that's good to stand up for the team. But this is what happens when you finally have expectations

and you lose. People start to go, is there discontent? Who's going to move on? Who's going to fix this? How do we do it? I also think it's hilarious that the second the tampering word came out there was like six reports of being like they've never had internal or external conversations about brady kachuk blah blah blah i'm like i wonder who's sending those

out yeah i wonder who's trying to get ahead of that one he's like i gotta get on the phone all right as promised let's welcome in gary galley former nhler and he's one that covers the ottawa senators on a fairly uh regular basis so why not pick up the conversation where we just uh dropped it off before getting to you gals thanks for joining us um number one i'm not sure how much you've caught of our conversation but i think it enough to get your opinion on the rumors, trade talk, all of this been around for countless decades here. Is it any different today than when we played, gals? You know what? All the players know more than we knew back in the day.

Like, we didn't know draft lists. We didn't know, you know, so many different things we didn't know. We were oblivious to. We were playing. We had a direction we were playing in, but we didn't really have, you know, insight into those things. Now young players can go on the internet. They can look up draft lists.

They can look up all kinds of stuff. And one thing that you pick up are a lot of these trades that people kind of throw out there and they see if they stick. And sometimes they have merit. Sometimes they don't have any merit whatsoever, but it seems like we're in an age where it doesn't really matter. You know, there's so much going on so much content going on that sometimes it's irresponsible,

but people throw it out there and, and now everyone has to talk about it and discuss it even when it makes no sense. And that's the thing that happens a lot now. So what does that Senators team need to kind of fix what ails them here? I was talking to a friend before the show and just saying that it feels like their core is maybe,

they don't have quite the elite guys of the McDavids and McKinnon, whatever. They need a good supporting cast. feels like their core is maybe they don't have the quite the elite guys of the mcdavids and you know mckinnon whatever like they need a good supporting cast how do you see the senators taking a step from being good to a legitimate playoff team i think with one thing you look at right off the hop is you know there are times when you have to you have to win games winning that game is important the islander game was important. This is an Islander team that was severely banged up, missing a lot of key players.

You keep them down to 13 shots. You do a lot of really good things, but you lose the game. And it's like it doesn't matter whether you blame the goaltending. It doesn't matter whether you blame a mistake, critical mistake here and there. You just can't keep affording to lose these type of games that you have to win in the position that you're in. And that's the frustrating thing that takes you right back to the beginning

where you go, are these guys ready? Are they ready to buy in, totally buy in, and make the changes they need to make in order to get going and start winning? Now, you're right. They don't have an Austin Matthews or a Connor McDavid or a McKinnon, but they have a good number of capable players that are very talented that I think can do a lot of damage. They picked up a very good goaltender in Allmark.

Their defense, I still think, needs some work. And it seems like, I don't know about you guys, but it seems like every time they trade someone away away that person goes somewhere else and plays well you know it's like and you know you look at chipper and how he's playing leading all defensemen and goals and and stuff and then you look at talbot and you look at guys certain players that come through you look at it and you go okay you know it didn't work out in ottawa but they're doing really well in other places so you know they're trying to change the culture in Ottawa. They're trying to make these changes.

The players certainly want to buy in, but to me, not knowing how to win is a key ingredient to continue to have losing. You have to learn how to win, understand how to win, and be comfortable in your skin in close hockey games, and knowing that you're playing the same way all the time and you're going to win more than you're going to lose. And I think that right now there's an uncomfortableness when the games are tight and things like that, and then all of a sudden the bottom falls out of it and you lose a game that you should win.

And those losses are happening too often, and they need to be above 500. They need to be hitting the halfway mark of this season above 500. If they're going to have any shot at it at all. If they continue to fall below 500 constantly, then then they, they will not have an opportunity to get into the playoffs. So gals,

how far is Tim Stoosla away from being one of those guys that can carry the male, no different than maybe a Hughes in Jersey or Matthews, like McDavid? Yeah, I think this is a very, very good player. I mean, this is a highly elite skilled player. He's got great hockey IQ. I think this is a player that I don't know if he's ever going to be McDavid or McKinnon or anything like that. I don't see that coming.

Can he be a real solid player a a real good player for you a consistent player for you i think that's what has to happen you know timmy stusla has all the skill sets in the world and i think he's going to be a senator for a long time but he does need to put together that 200 foot game and he does need to understand the times in the game when it doesn't call for the for the for the toe drag or the try to beat a guy or throw a blind puck he's got to understand those little nuances to the game that tells him to shut things down at a certain time the score of the game the time of the game and you know whether you're a lead or you're behind all those things come into factor and how you play the game but i definitely think

he's going to be a more than capable player i I think he could fall into the Nick Suzuki kind of range where a guy that can come out nightly and do damage, but not hurt you. You know, that's the thing. You can't have players who put up good production numbers, but they hurt you in key times of a game. And I think Timmy Stutzla is a smart guy. I think he wants to be that player and he's striving to be that player. You know, they just need him to get there a lot quicker. But you see some of the dynamite things that he does i mean you know last night on the cadet goal i mean jamming the brakes on turning up waiting for the late guy i mean they don't score

that goal if he doesn't do all those things so he does a lot of real wonderful things but because the team the way the team is built he needs to be uh you know a much better sound 200-foot player, and that means he may have to give up a little bit of his offense in order to accomplish that, but they have enough guys around him that could create offense. They should be okay in doing that and then maybe being a better team all around. Galza, as we like to do with you, try to go around Canada a little bit,

a team that's kind of top of mind for me is the Winnipeg jets four and six in their last 10 after a red hot start um you know their record right now kind of reflects maybe the team we thought they were uh what do you make of the the roller coaster season here as they they're kind of a little bit on the down end of things yeah i think you know what i think what's happening to winnipeg is what everybody thought was going to happen to the Capitals. Everyone's been waiting for that shoe to drop in Washington. Everyone's been waiting for, okay, when are they going to wake up and realize it's the Washington Capitals? But people are starting to figure out that this is a good team in Hershey for a number of years now. They're building it the right way.

They've added the right players. The mix and the chemistry has been good for the winnipeg jets you know this is a team that i thought got out of the gate and the way they were playing was was actually very surprising to me not that i didn't think this team couldn't make the playoffs i thought they would this is a very good team with a with a top-notch goaltender and a good coach and scott orneal and and a good captain good leadership so i figured this team would make the playoff but to be on the run they were to start the season and you know to break the record and with wins to start a season and to put themselves in that position i gotta tell you i was a bit surprised by that but always we always go to we fast forward to the end of the season and

how will they do in the playoffs but they're having a bit of a kick in the pants now and they're starting to you know the you know the the glass slipper kind of has a few cracks here and there, but that's a good thing. To me, it's a good thing. Now you've got to dig down and you've got to find a way to fix these things and get back to the way you were and you're facing some adversity.

All good teams need to face adversity during the course of a season. You need to figure out how to get out of it because in the playoffs, you will face adversity within a 60-minute game. You will face adversity of a season. You need to figure out how to get out of it because in the playoffs, you will face adversity within a 60-minute game. You will face adversity within a series. You have to learn how to do that. So for them, they need to dust themselves off

and get back to the way they were playing. And that's a big challenge for them. And they haven't looked like the same team. But at the same time, you're never too far away from where you were. You have to be confident that it's just a few little things that you got to get back doing consistently right and then everything starts to fall back into place but you know i think at the end of the day the winnipeg jets will be fine

you're watching and listening to gary galley former nhl or sports at hockey night canada analysts if i was to tell you if one team in canada needed needed a trade. Would we point to the Vancouver Canucks with the loss of Hronik for eight weeks above any other team? Yeah, I would say that the Vancouver Canucks, certainly a trade could possibly be helpful for them and trading the right guy. Like, which one do you move um you know and and what do you get back for that player that helps you to fill the spots that you need to build depth

within your lineup um certainly you know it seems like right from the get-go vancouver has been kind of an uneven ground they've never really found even ground i mean i think they've gotten some really good goaltending that was unexpected which was was really good. And that maybe hides a few imperfections here and there. But I do believe that there is probably something coming. I do feel like there will be something coming there, most likely. It's just a matter of you've got to make sure you pick the right guy that's going and make the right deal to give you what you need. And sometimes the trade that you don't make sometimes ends up being the best

trade. So they may just sit tight and, and hold tight, but they definitely don't look like the team that I think that I was expecting to see this year. And, and that's, it's been really hard to figure out.

It's been a lot of little different things, but hopefully, hopefully in the next little bit, they can try to find some consistency and get a bit healthier the health is a big part of it but at the end of the day they still don't look like the same team it's crazy when with all the injuries like they have a lot of elite talent on that team that has not been involved in games so it still feels like maybe they're one of the canadian teams that know, even though they're not top of their division feels like they have more to

give. Do you think Demco coming back? I know Lankanen has been great, but you know, is that enough for them to get over the top or that they kind of need all these guys back healthy with Hronik and Miller? Well, you don't,

you don't get that opportunity. You don't get to say, well, we're going to get all our guys back. They come back when they come back. You have to buy it. You have to buy in and be ready to go and guys have to say this is an opportunity for me to step up and uh the door opens for me jam my foot in it and keep it open and show them what i can do there's a lot of guys that whether it's increased ice time whether it's

someone coming up from the minors there's always opportunity the nhL is a game of opportunity. And when you get your chance, you have to be ready to take it. So I think always looking, oh, my God, we're injured, or this guy's not back, or when is he going to be back? You know, the good teams don't do that. The good teams, next man up, let's go. And when they get back, we'll insert them in our lineup and we'll just keep hitting the ground running. And certainly when you get a player back like Demko, you know, a real high-end player,

it can do a lot for, you know, adding a bit of juice to the bench and the locker room and getting everyone excited that some of the injuries are starting to get back in the lineup. But, you know, you can't just go, okay, he's back and we can rely on him. I think they've relied a little too much on their goaltending already. But he's been really good, which is great. But when your star players and your good players are performing, underperforming, performing, underperforming, there's an underlying problem there with that, that the players that can't find consistency in their games, the great players of our game, the great players on teams,

the top half of the lineup, or even the top third of the lineup, these guys don't play poorly for long periods of time. Normally they figure it out quickly. They get back at it. They get back to their game. I don't mean they're going to be as productive. Maybe sometimes guys go in slumps, but they're going to play the way that you expect them to play

and get chances and create chances. And some nights I just don't see it there. And it gets a little frustrating, I think, to watch. But, you know, we're still not early in the season, but we've still got a lot of runway left here. So, you know, we've seen teams that have struggled like that. And then all of a sudden they pick it up in the second half and they get going and all the pieces fall into place.

And then they become a very dangerous team to hit in the first round kind of thing right and that could be a team like team you've also covered is montreal canadians they take on the ducks tonight at the bell center and speaking of underperforming on a few guys in the lineup uh montreal to me is a team that actually could use a trade that could maybe bring in some reinforcements that can help some of the younger kids, Gal, stay competitive. And, I mean, some nights it's got to be really hard to be a Montreal Canadian fan still.

I think that the Montreal Canadian fan, Kipper, is like, I think the management's been very honest with the fans of Montreal and that they're not going to deviate from their plan, even though they think that they should go out and deviate and they're not going to do it. They feel comfortable with their plan, and in the future we're going to see if they're right. I did the game the other night,

and I thought to myself, against Washington, who was 8-0 on the road, they had everything going for them. Montreal played them really well. I thought Montreal deserved better out of that game. Four breakaways in the third period, they don't score on any of them. I mean, so it's kind of like Chicago. You're defensively better.

You lose the most one-goal games of any team. You've got a power play in the top 10. You've got a penalty kill in the top 10. But you can't score. And if you can't score, all these games are one-goal games. They're tight games. And at the end of the day, you don't win them because the other team's got a little more in that area,

and they find a way to bury it. Tomson buried the montreal canadians the other night and it's because armia couldn't score in a breakaway evans couldn't score in a breakaway suzuki couldn't score a breakaway like this was like if they would have scored on a couple of those in the third period it was game over for washington it was done but they didn't washington scores they get some life and this is kind of what happens to a team that just doesn't have enough firepower they don't have enough firepower to to put a game out of reach on a team uh to come back in a game and so they play hard um you know you know they're playing hard you know they're trying to do what

the coach is telling them but at the end of the day they get into these close games and they just can't find ways to win them and again when I look at the Blackhawks and I know they're trying to do what the coach is telling them, but at the end of the day, they get into these close games and they just can't find ways to win them. And again, when I look at the Blackhawks, and I know they made a coaching change there, but your coaching staff, and I don't mean just the head coach, I mean your staff that does a great job with your specialty teams, does a great job in lowering the goals against, you're getting good goaltending, what's the problem?

You can't score. And who's responsible for creating scoring i mean you got to add players to your lineup that are capable of scoring that can go out and score goals and they don't do that and then eventually this coaching staff takes the brunt of that that was a real tough one to kind of follow i get but ard's not playing well and it's frustration there and they feel like they're not seeing enough movement there but at at the end of the day, when you look at some of the things that did improve, really it stuck out like a sore thumb. Their goal scoring is a problem.

And that comes reflective of who you pick up in the offseason, who you add to your lineup to play with your good players to create offense. You know, I didn't think that was the staff. And in Montreal, it's hard to blame them. I mean, Marty can't jump on the ice and go out and score goals i mean he's gotta have his team play the right way and hope that they could score enough and that their goaltending can keep enough out to win games and it's hard to play that way yeah absolutely um you know it's funny when you have scoring i think as a fan or

even as a team you take it for granted that that's something you can do you know we talk about the edmonton oilers all the time. They are Canada's best hope, I would say, before the season. They were the favorites around the NHL to win the Cup. They keep scoring at the rate they have all along. But I wanted to get your thoughts. Finally, Stu Skinner is going. Five of the last six games, he's been a 930 save percentage or better.

And all of a sudden, the Oilers are winning enough. And so are you a believer in Skinner that Skinner is a guy they can keep, go forward with and remain, hold that status as, you know, the best chance for a Canadian Cup? Yeah, I think so. And I know that I'm probably, you know, I think this is kind of one of those 50-50 categories, I think. But I think so. I mean, he went to the50 categories, I think. But I think so.

I mean, he went to the finals last year, a game away. I mean, I think that's experience you can't teach somebody that you bring in that maybe doesn't have that. And Stanley Cup champion goalies aren't growing on trees out there to grab and throw in your net. I think they've been really patient at times. I think this is a team. If you're a goaltender on the Edmonton Oilers, I think even even back in the day when you look at you know if you're and mog and those

guys i mean they've always been a an offensive juggernaut in the sense where their goaltender has to handle a few more high danger chances he has to handle a few more breakdowns because these guys are skiing downhill man they're they're they're out there and they're taking opportunities and chances and in a day now where you you have some offensive defensemen that join the rush you create some probably some havoc going back the other way i think defensive zone coverages aren't always pretty in edmonton i think they're getting better but i do think that that relies on a lot like a guy like skinner to make the difference there and hide some of those imperfections um but at the end of the day i would stick with them i think i think it's

it's too hard to bring i mean something really great has to jump out at you in order to take that that opportunity because if you if you make that choice and you go somewhere else and it doesn't work out you may lose your guys big time so these guys are starting to become a tight-knit group of guys that care a lot about one another and i think you got to be careful with that gals one more for me and that's just uh a thought on coaching change uh we saw one in boston and they've pulled off four in a row since then and sometimes you make a change for the sake of making a change hearing a different voice is that just enough now for the Boston Bruins? You know, it's crazy because a lot of people have said to me,

you know, like, how does Boston get away with this? How do they fire Bruce Cassidy? And Cole Julian, for that matter. Go back another step even further. And then how do you fire Bruce Cassidy? He goes on to win a Stanley Cup in Vegas, and then you bring in a guy and he just, all he does is win, win, win, win, win. And then the first sign of a little stumble

and you pull a trigger on him, right? So all these things are true. All these things are true. and all he does is win, win, win, win, win, and then the first sign of a little stumble and you pull a trigger on him, right? So all these things are true. All these things are true. But unless you're in the inner sanctum of an organization, an organization that will remain very tight, tight, tight to the vest and they make their decisions and they don't ask for anybody's advice, they just make their decisions, they live and die by it,

that's the Boston Bruins. And if they don't like something or they feel like their guys are losing their guys or whatever, they're going to make those changes. They don't care what it looks like or who says what or who cares about what. And this is how they go about their business. So if there's something out there

that can help them get better and help them win, they're going to do it. And that's the thing that's kept them successful over all these years and has kept them competitive. I i mean they've got a number of really good players there certainly i think they've gone through a bit of a dip where some guys have looked to run out of a little bit of gas and maybe not maybe guys who can't match the year they had last year but aren't getting to a position where they're helping enough this year. So again, as I said about Vancouver, are they going to get to the midway point and have figured it all out?

And then all of a sudden, you know, guys that have been kind of not producing like they were last year are going to start coming on. Have they held the fort long enough to be able to stay close enough to get into the playoffs and be a dangerous team to play against? You know, Swayman hasn't played Swayman-like. You know, I think McEvoy has to be better. I think the game against Montreal, he looked like the McEvoy that I expect

to see more often than not. A guy who plays with a B in his bonnet, a guy who will join the rush and be active and just be hard to play against. That's when I really think he's at his best. And I find it's not enough. And I think the one thing thing if he can find

that and be consistent more that's going to be a big plus for them too getting lynn home back and healthy and playing um you know and can the door off find some consistency and and be that big body back there that's consistent there's a lot of things that have to kind of turn around but i think it's more than possible and if if there's a trade out there that don sweeney sees that's going to help his club, he's going to make it. So far. So good for Joe Sacco in the Boston Bruins.

Gals. Thanks for doing this, buddy. Really appreciate your time as always. Great insight. Thanks for joining us. My pleasure, guys.

If I don't talk to you, have a Merry Christmas. You too, gals. Thanks a lot. You as well. Gary Galley, Hockey Night in Canada,

Sportsnet. What's up? Okay. Sam's up? Okay. Sam's going to start working. Getting close to Christmas. Yeah. Dude, the Bruins. Scary, Sammy?

Yeah. Always, eh? Yes. I love it when you just kind of melt. Listen, I wrote them off off they're not good again they've won a ton of one goal yeah there's a sentence there's one word you said that sentence that's an important one one they won yeah you know it's just there's still bombs they're gonna trade for whoever well and be good they're still weak in the middle for me

yeah now some cadre you're talking with the boston bruins but i think the point sam's making It'd be good. They're still weak in the middle for me. Nazem Kadri, welcome to the Boston Bruins. But I think the point Sam's making is like, they're winning enough to keep their head afloat that if they make a couple changes they need, they have enough other players that they could turn this into a thing again. And then at least we'll play them in the 2-3 and lose in seven games in overtime. So you have them losing to both the Devils and the Bruins this year.

They've got to go through Canada now. I mean, I don't have a lot of wins to look back on here. We'll know a lot more about the Boston Bruins because they've got their Western road swing here. Winnipeg, Seattle, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton. Funny that teams do Winnipeg, Seattle on the swing. That's common. That's the way they build that in there.

I had no idea anyway. Just pop off in Winnipeg and wait in Seattle? Winnipeg's not that far from Seattle. All right. It's a tough trip. Yeah, it is. All right, Sammy. What do you have for us?

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in Buffalo to take on the Buffalo Sabres. They are plus 105 underdogs in that game against the Buffalo Sabres. That is a game that you would want to be better than it is, but it's just not really that great. You had Kevin Adams talking about how they don't have palm trees.

Yeah, what did you think of that, Kip? I'm not a believer of going out there and stating what you don't have. They had a press conference and say, like, yeah, we're pretty undesirable. Focus on why you want players to come and play on your hockey club josh allen isn't a great reason i was like would they have josh allen everyone wants to go somebody's a football if someone loves the NFL and loves going to NFL games that's a reason to

play for the buffalo savers come and watch j Allen. You know who else has high taxes and cold weather and all that? Like Boston. Yeah. Whatever it takes, focus on the things that you have, not on what you don't have. That's in life too, everybody. Lower real estate prices and some great chicken wings. Yeah.

And there's an original six tonight at uh madison square garden the blackhawks visiting the rangers rangers coming off a pretty putrid loss to the seattle kraken on home ice at 1 p.m on a sunday uh they are minus 260 favorites and the last game tonight is the anaheim ducks uh visiting the montreal canadians anaheim ducks are plus 125 in that game give me the ducks all day quack quack quack ducks are on amazon tonight they're on wednesday night visiting the Montreal Canadiens. Anaheim Ducks are plus 125 in that game. Give me the Ducks all day. Quack, quack, quack. Ducks are on Amazon tonight.

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You've freed up money now. What are you going to do with it? They are still a good hockey club. Yeah. There's no way that they should bail on anything. They should just find a way to reallocate $8 million, wherever you want to put it, and roll the dice. The question is, where is that mentality of that room right now?

Well, it has to be still winning, no? Like, this is not. They're 3-7-0 in their last 10, and that stretch of hockey has put them into an absolute dogfight for that last spot. It's the psyche of the room. They cannot come to work every day on eggshells going, am I next?

Chris Kreider, am I next? How do you fix that? Chris Drury has to fix it. It's his job to fix it. So I don't know. Go in there and buy him a pizza. I don't know. Sit around. Talk. I don't know, but it's his job to fix it. So I don't know. Go in there and buy him a pizza. I don't know. Sit around. Talk.

Good pies around there. I don't know, but it's his job to say, hey, guys, we did this because it was the best decision that we needed to make. I'm going to take the money. I'm going to find a different way to allocate it. We're a good team. We aren't trading you all. I don't know if you can say that or not you want to say that but you have to have them reassured that the vision that they had in training camp is still

there today unless you believe that they're too fat and happy and they need to be on eggshells then too comfortable then you got to start moving other guys and no one's coming to work to win i don't think everybody's coming to survive i don't think big difference came back from the troubadour trade and then blew a lead to seattle and madison square garden and you know to your point if you really believe that you're all too fat and i don't like you then blow it up Tell people. Write them another letter like you did, what, seven years ago? It's Christmas season. Write one to Santa and one to your fans. We are going to do this, and you have to be patient with us,

but we'll get you back there again. Yeah. Or you go in there and you say, guys, let's still win here. It's wild, though, to see a front office just publicly state they don't believe in their mix when the team was pretty good i've never i can't recall a team that was they did this at 12 6 and 1 or something they were like yeah it hasn't really worked no in which then it falls on the management that was a big swing and yep okay truba's gonna wear number 65 for the Ducks.

Oh, because he wants to play like Carlson? Oh. Is that not Carlson's number? Yes, it is. He said it's his parents' birth year. Oh, that's nice. Stop it.

That's nice. No, that's true. 65? Yeah. I'm born 66. Well, you're old enough to be his dad. Would you wear number 66?

I don't want to be his dad. I don't want to be old enough to be his dad. Hit the break there, Papa. Now you've depressed me. I'm old. Okay, we'll hit the breaks and when we return on NHL Trade to Talk, the Georgiev era is over

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A reminder. This hour of Real Kipper and Born brought to you by Bet365. Nick Caprio, Justin Bourne brought to you by Bet365, Nick Kipper, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. Just in terms of now, John Tortorella on his latest little outcry about officiating. Oh, he sounds like me. He had a real issue with some trips against the Boston Bruins on the weekend. Yeah.

You want to have a quick listen? Let's listen. I think we get to watch, too, maybe. Oh, fun. Maybe. Yeah, let me start. Oh, yeah? Okay.

One thing I teach my team to do is not dive. Maybe I should start teaching them that. The way this has gone here, the way it goes on, maybe I should start teaching them how to dive. It's one of the things we talk about most as a team. We're going to play an honest game. There's no cheating. There's no embarrassing referees. You don't embarrass the referees. And the that went on here tonight is just ridiculous. So I'm proud of the way our team played. Did we piss another one away? Yeah. But other people had a little bit to do with that also.

I got to think, if you're covering John Tortorella on a daily basis, there is no post-pre or interview that he does that you do not want to miss. Yeah. You cannot be there that day when you get sound like that. That's the day. You just never know. You just never know. Some days he's the worst.

Some days he's the biggest grump and says, see ya. Yeah. Whatever it is, it's just gold for people to cover it on a daily basis. Well, that's what. That was good. I didn't mind that at all. Is that to distract from the loss or is that authentic frustration? Good game Saturday afternoon.

It's authentic frustration for sure. And. I thought Mitch was flopping around a little bit in that game. Yeah. I don't even know what the phrase. One thing I teach them not to dive. What does that mean? First of all, the art of diving has been around since the game started.

Yes. We'll always have that guy in any year, any era. Some are able to mask it better than others. Who's the best diver of all time uh bill barber bill barber oh geez really bill barber mid-70s he's a tough guy too uh no no okay oh my bad no i don't know yeah oh no he would flop like yeah no tomorrow caddy's pretty good too who's that cadry yeah he's he's legitimately good though whereas bunting is bad yeah uh cadre's legit the one thing when i was watching this game that came to my mind is where are we on and it's happening for me it's happening a little bit more than i usually see

but just stepping on a stick where are we on stepping on a stick yeah and whether or not my my blade of my stick deserves to be there if it's there before your skate blade why am i getting a tripping call that was the least game on the weekend right carlson carlson holmberg stepped on carlson's day a lot do we now have to stop play how the officials go to the video and see when a guy is tripped or when he steps on a stick? No, because I think the idea is you can't just have your stick in someone's feet if you're at risk of tripping. Why can't I have it if it's there first?

Why can't I have it there? I just think you have to keep your stick out of someone's feet. Otherwise, you risk tripping them and you risk the call. You can't, Kipper, there's no way you want to insert more gray area into the NHL rules. No, no, no, no. If your stick is under escape, the guy falls down. That particular one was ridiculous. Too bad.

Too bad. A guy's shooting over the glass. It's ridiculous, too. He didn't mean to do it. You still go to the box. You'd slash. But to Kip's point, if you want to dive, that's a nice one. Just step on a blade out there.

That's all it takes, right? If I know there's a stick down there and I'm in the vicinity, I can paint that picture pretty good for you, Sammy. Oh, yeah. And I was really good at it, too. You dove a little bit? No, I wouldn't dive, but I just knew. You embellish.

I can sense. Yeah, I can embellish really good. That's fine. You feel the one hand on your shoulder pull a little tug. They're going to put their hand off their stick. I'm going to spin. Like bunting was doing the whole night against the Leafs. Bunting is over the top, though.

It's brutal. It's brutal. I would say like soccer itself where they like embrace the idea that if you can get a call, it's worth a lot. It's not worth as much in hockey, so it's not worth diving as much i think it's like i i'm a huge soccer fan i watch epl every weekend a big tfc guy oh it's embarrassment but like even me who's a big fan i'm like oh jeez oh i know it's just it's an embarrassment and bunting's a soccer player out there he's flopping around it's it's embarrassing the other thing too is more is more cameras, more HD, more crystal clear. Who's snapping the head back when the stick doesn't come and make contact?

Womberg did a pretty good one on Saturday night. I'd be really nervous because it's really a hot temperature on players that fake being hit or hurt. You don't want your refs to know. And that's, you can't get over that. Once it's out there, then it's hard to get back

any sense of credibility. Connor Zari scored the other night in Pospis. He took a stick in the chops and went down like he was shot in an old western. Twist, and it was elaborate. I really loved it. That's where I would have been

today going, okay, is this worth it? I'm going to take a two-minute penalty, but am I going to pretend my head's not back when it really didn't? We got to make sure we have time for the trade. Oh, sorry, I was just looking at, I was trying to look up who drew the most penalties, but then it came up who's taken the most penalties this year nikita zadorov has taken 23 penalties this year minors minors yeah

23 penalties typically been a league leader or around that all right the colorado avalanche traded for a goal attender mackenzie blackwood. Pretty good goalie. Yeah, he can be for sure. And he's not an old guy. He's still coming into his own. He goes to Colorado in exchange for Georgiev and draft picks and a prospect. Second, yeah. Two fun things. The Avs now have Mileswood, Wedgwood, and Blackwood.

That's a lot of wood colorado forest um other fun fact colorado traded uh andre kovalenko uh for a number one goalie in 1995 in december and they traded his son nikita kovalenko uh 29 years later in the same month that's amazing this doesn't cost also for maybe patrick waugh it was this one's not it's not a big financial commitment if i'm not mistaken mackenzie blackwood is ufa after this uh ufa after this yeah which means hey mackenzie come here and lead us to the promised land and we'll have a nice little five times five contract waiting for you but 28 years old you get to go be the guy well him and Wedgwood can share it or whatever but for the Colorado Avalanche no no good team

it's it's Blackwood's team Blackwood's team you know I like to make the the joke about driving people to the airport airport I bet you McKinnon or Anton were like hop on in Gorgia we'll take you like no the news don't miss your flight oh sorry I'm come on hop intoorgia we'll take you like no hear the news don't miss your flight so sorry i'm come on hop into the car we'll take you i'm surprised he lasted this long it's crazy he did but i give the abs a ton of credit for saying we just it's only 29 games in or whatever it is and they they go to both their goalies from the start of the season but it was last year, too. Struggled a bit there, too. Oh, yeah. But they've had five goaltenders play this year. And Ananen and Gorgiev were the two guys that played the most games. 18 for Gorgiev, 11 for Ananen.

Gorgiev's goals against is 3-3-8, and his save percentage is 8-74. And Ananen is 3-23-8-72. How did they win games? I know. The bottom five teams in the league and goals against are like flyers canadian sharks penguins and then right in the middle their third worst colorado avalanche have given up 103 goals this season which you know like i said only two teams giving up more goals in the whole league so calgary had a bit of a meltdown against dallas last night and now the avs are back in yeah what's their wild card spot what's the avs record they're 16 13 16 32 points

calgary sits at 31 with a game in hand like they just get some saves they've gotten the chushkin back they they've got new goaltenders which god if they can you know and they got a shutout last night from wedgwood right you know all of a sudden it's her night before whenever it was so this could be the start of the abs kind of getting back into the team we thought it was i saw some people saying he's played three games for them and he's a nine five one say percentage in a one four you're the goalie now yeah you are the guy like and we're trade for another guy? Yeah. There you go.

But, like, I saw people say steep price to pay. It's a second rounder or something, but I know. Not a steep price to pay. You have a team that's trying to contend. You have two of the top five players in the world on your team. Yeah. Make, trade a second for a good goalie. Blackwoods, as we said, 20-80.

You look at guys who have been massive value around the NHL and it's Anthony Stolarz. He was 29. They took a chance on him here in Toronto. Oh God. Oh, Lankanen, Kevin Lankanen,

Vancouver took a chance on him. Like this is what Blackwood is. A guy who was a second rounder played for the world. Junior Canadian team had some tough years, but some good years too. If he's hot, this really changes what the abs are. So I love this for them. Yep. Nine, 10 in 19 games played with that crappy sharks team so really really good you guys

want to book in because i don't think we had enough time to dissect we had gary galley waiting for us on uh and lauer's soft tampering claim yes i think that soft tampering is a legitimate phrase because there are varying degrees of tampering so stupid it's tampering if there's that soft tampering is a legitimate phrase because there are varying degrees of tampering. So stupid. It's tampering. If there's word tampering involved, it's tampering. But no. So Larry Brooks gets information, I assume from a Ranger source,

that they've got interest in Kachuk. He reports it. I bet they do. Where is the tampering? Where is the tampering? Where is the tampering? This is what drives me crazy about it. This is you again kind of jumping to conclusions. I'm sorry.

Me? I always jump to conclusions. Where's the tampering? Well, I mean, the owner of the Avalanche said it, not me. It's like the first time one of their players ends up in it. Oh, what did I say? Avalanche? We're talking about Avalanche. The owner of the Senators says, oh, they mentioned my guy in a trade rumor.

It's the NHL. The guys get mentioned in trade rumors all the time. Yes. But I think the idea... It's not Pamp. Give me a break. Does that start the conversation or start his thought process to where...

Too bad. You know, Brady's like, wait, they're interested in me? I'm an agent to look into that. Are they interested? It's just a very insecure move to me from the owner of the Senators. I think it's a protective move, not a sincere one. I think it's also tied into the fact that he's still pissed off that he gave up a draft pick for a trade that had nothing to do with him. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Prior. Oh, yeah. So mad about Dodonov, Dadun about dad whatever his name is dorian yeah right so that that's coming into play great point and rebuild so this might be a little bit of him trying to protect it he's trying to protect a chuck in his family i i get all that that's fine but you know it's also so it is it's also a chuck it's also matthew yeah you know, it's also a Kachuk. It's also Matthew, you know, moving.

Like, that family should be well-versed and very experienced when it comes to rumors and talk. I mean, where's Larry Tenenbaum coming out and saying every time that they're going to talk about trading Marner or Nylander? Like, was that tampering? That that name's been out there a hundred times? Like, it's so stupid to me a hundred times like it's this is so stupid to me it's like it's it's professional sport i like the idea that he's okay standing up for his guys and saying you know i gotta tell you this sticks out as like

it sticks out as new owner syndrome to me so badly where it's like yeah that's pro sports names end up in things all the time that's just the way things go like i don't i don't know why this is tampering i mean there's somebody something behind the scenes that he knows i think that's possible i just think it's hilarious that he's going out there and saying this anyways maybe i'm wrong but but you're also weird you're also you're also watching the ottawa senators and and people feeling like they've got to do something too so they're going to pick their names right they're going to pick that's all there's it's almost like a perfect storm the inconsistency of the ottawa senators you know they want to make young guys making a lot of money and who are we kidding you don't think there's been rumors out there before

this that chuck's not going to finish his contract there like that's out there it's been out there for a while that he's sick and tired of losing yeah and his brother demanded a trade out of out of canada to the states like but you know what it is to me is that people are looking at ottawa and saying you know they're struggling we know they want to make a change how can we pick the carcass and maybe that's the rangers are doing but brady's not the answer brady to me is like if they start having success and they're winning he'll be in a canadian market where there's tons of energy in action and he'll be happy you know how do you turn this into a winning team god imagine him on the rangers though what a star he'd be there i don't know well i mean sure imagine mcdavid the

two the two cities that have rumors about chemistry issues in the dressing room, though, are Ottawa and Vancouver. Yeah. I hadn't heard Vancouver. Probably should have done this before 553. What's that? Probably should have done this before 553. I think people out west probably have heard it. Yeah, I know that Miller and Petey say they're not best friends, and that's fairly well known.

And we'll see how this plays out in Ottawa. Yeah. I think Brady at times has shown a level of immaturity through his career in Ottawa. He's starting to settle in a little more and more. For me, it's like they have drafted this core, and can this core take them to the promised land and you look at guys who were supposed to be part of it that have kind of let them down like

shane pinto's got a goal and two assists in 19 games this year was he not supposed to be a part of i'm gonna ask watching that cap steam on friday they couldn't use jacob jacob jacob jacob jacob jacob Jesus. Ottawa dead last in goals by defenses. He was buzzing. Dead last. I think he's got more goals than the whole blue line. I think the Sens have four goals from their D. He's got eight from Sanderson. He's got twice as many. Hammering it every chance he gets. Got into it with Matthews. He's a good player, man. Whoopsies.

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