Real Kyper & Bourne - NHL's New-Money Landscape

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee share some thoughts on the Leafs' penultimate preseason game, a 3-1 loss to the Detroit Red Wings, before bringing in Doug MacLean (5:30) for his Off-The-Rails Friday appearance! Mac shares his thoughts on the Leafs' lineup heading into the season, Kirill Kaprizov's mega-deal, the Oilers' outlook in the West, Jackson LaCombe's extension with the Ducks, and the NHL's increased-cap landscape. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam discuss the Leafs waiving David Kämpf, Scott Laughton's week-to-week injury and Easton Cowan's camp. Finally, they close out the week by answering your questions on the text line!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Closing out the week on the real Kipper and Bourne show. Nick Kippreos, Justin Boren, Sammy McKee, Jake the Snake Shilts, Derek Brandale. As always live on SportsSept 590, The Fans, Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, Sportsnet 960 in Calgary, Sportsnet Plus, and posted on Spotify, Apple Podcast. podcast and YouTube if you can't catch us live. Doug McLean, it's Friday already. Did I get that right? Yes, quick week.

Off the rails Friday. Doug McLean once again coming in. Now, what was the deal? He was supposed to golf. He didn't golf. I woke up this morning and I texted him like probably around 7.30. He called me. Oh, we're doing the call now.

Oh, boy. So he talked. Yeah. And he was golf and he was worried about the pace and he didn't want to leave his hanging. So we might have to do 3.30. But he texted me and said, good for 305 so did uh did you golf today i did did you yes i did oh you i think you said you didn't

no no no i did well i canceled my tea time for today it's 25 degree october day it's really nice i was minus two after two holes oh no and i'm thinking i was one under after this is this is the day so you're calling the front that's being like what's the course record again no no uh even on the front oh wow you kept it together yeah even on the front uh 77 maybe nice man Man, good shooting. Good day. That's really good. Back nine was.

Anytime it starts the seven, Kemp, it's good day. Okay. Fair enough. More golf. Fair enough. Before we get to Doug, we worked last night, the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Detroit Red Wings.

And I don't want to say that you want to put too much stock into results this time of year. But it wasn't very pretty for the Toronto Maple Leafs last night. They stunk. They stunk. I left that game, you know, with like real fear for the year. I was like, are they slow? Okay, all right. No, I did.

Fear. Dude, that was their team. They had their team in the, that was everyone. That's their best case scenario lineup. I wouldn't have dressed my exact roster barring cow and outers. Yeah, I left that they did. This is our group. Let's get used to it.

No, I would have had two or three bodies where I could say. that if just to make sure that if we stunk that I could say we're still going through a process of figuring out guys but that was their team yeah there's their team and the most concerning part I don't get this is it doesn't matter whatever it's baseball season it's fine it doesn't matter here's what I thought I was like don't read into anything like you bring in wah who's a great player I really like but he's not fast bringing Joshua who's not fast and Machelli's not overly fast and I looked at the lineup and I just went slow they're slow they were really really slow last night he's not you know the only thing i kind of draw from previous uh camp is like benoit his first exhibition game that i watched him i'm like this guy cannot play can't skate as it last night no years ago okay when he first broke in with the leaps when they first brought him over yeah and then he he was fine so i'm really hoping that they had about 20 benoit's last night where you go conclusion that they're going to be They're really slow.

They're really slow, and then they just, they find their way. But the one thing that did bother me last night watching the Leafs is that Stolars was far and away their best player. But do you do really want to put that type of night on him less than a week to go from your opener that he's got to see 45, 50 shots on goal? Yeah. You know, the other concern coming out of last year, is that the underlying numbers for the Leafs last year

weren't great. They were 29th in shot attempt differential. The other team outshot them most of the time. They were first in the NHL in wins when getting out shot because Stolars and Wall were very good. They still have Stolars. Wall, I don't know. And so if

Stolars is even anything step back and Wall's not there and you're still getting pumped by the Detroit Red Wings, you know, it's, I don't think it's like a conclusion on season but i did leave last night's game going oh seems pretty conclusiony here boys it's not conclusion it's the first you know what are they going to look like was oh far too much time in their own

zone which was a problem last year too it was like how many games did they win being outshot 33 of their how many times they win 45 can you almost guarantee that that won't happen again this year no i think it's close i don't think winning well getting out shot is something you can replicate consistent. I don't think they can pull off 33 wins this year. Last year, they won 52 games. 33 of them were while getting a shot. But just the thing that's going to suck all year is that if they're not as good as last year,

we're just going to have to hear because there's no martyr. That's what's going to suck the most about them not being the same. Well, you're way ahead. You're way ahead right now. I know you. And it's like every day we're going to have to come in here. We're like, boy, they're slow. Boy, they're not dynamic.

They tried to sign them. I know, but he's going to be. I'm dreading. So it's baseball season. They were fine last night. Didn't even happen. All right, let's, we can't let him stay on hold in the green room too long because he wanders.

Doug McLean in for his off the rails Friday, former NHL president, GM, head coach. And he's here to tell us, J.B., don't panic here. They're not that bad to Toronto Maple Leafs, right, Mack? They were awful. I mean, it was, it was pathetic to watch. I'm sorry, and Ottawa was just as bad.

I mean, like, what is going on? I mean, just coming into the season. But look, and Sam, I hate to bring it out. And it's okay if Mariner leaves. That happens to every team. They lose guys like Mariner once in a while. You hope not very often, but once in a while happen. But it's who you replace them with that I'm concerned about.

And you do not replace an impact player, which is what he was, an impact player. There's a dozen of them in the league. You don't replace an impact player with an NHL regular because you drop dramatically. You got to replace them with another player that's close. And I'm shocked. that and I what I mean by that a top six forward yeah but he was a top three forward when you lose a top three forward it dramatically affects your overall game and they haven't replaced them and you know it's not their fault he left he had the right to go he had the right to demand what

he did but they got to replace them and I'm sorry um their lineup has got a bunch of pluggers right now I like the grit. I like, but speed is a factor. Last night, they looked slow. So I would give the Marcella kid, Marcella, is that how you say? I would give him an opportunity. Machelli to move up in the lineup here. The kid can make plays.

He's got some skill. Move him up and give him a chance to become a top six player, unless you're going to trade for one. Well, they started Max there, Domi. I know. Max Domey. Hey, Nick, I know you love Max Domey, but he's not a top six. Listen, I think that's a safe assessment that he's not spent the first 10 years of his career as a lock-in as a top winger. Why do they think he's a top six all of a sudden?

Lack options. What? Lack of options. That's right. Lack of options. That's my point. And he does possess more skill than what the third and fourth line have. but he could if he's on the third line he fits in better there you know he's got grit but to have him is a top six guy in a league where top six players are they're the guys that make the games that win a ball they make the plays to give you a chance i know you need grit and you need checkers and you need all that i know that's really important like i like put

Riley up and forward. Oh, my gosh. He's lost it on defense. He can't play defense. Like, what are you going to do with them? The call-in show from... I told you last year. They haven't won a Stanley Cubson's Red Kelly played center brother

and he was an offenseman when he came from Detroit. See if it works. See if it works magic. But, I mean, he's lost on the blue line. Sorry. Yeah, it's... Tough. It's the old leafies here.

Remember the good old days When we played 9-11 exhibition games You can work out a few kinks You don't have any time now I mean stole or is he going to be okay For game one Is he out for maintenance? Maintenance Day today

That was a lot That was a lot That was painful I could only watch two periods I had to shut it off Well then I went to Ottawa and that was worse. Oh, my God.

And I'll tell you with Ottawa, they need some toughness in that line. Montreal are laughing at them. When did Montreal become so tough that now they're chirping. You know, Gallagher's going by, their bench chirping at them. I mean, they need some tough.

Watch, mark my words. Ottawa will make a move this week to bring some toughness into their dressing room. Mark my words. We're going to, we'll watch for that. So how do you power rank the three Canadian teams in the Atlantic,

Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Toronto. Well, I gave you the Eastern standings last week. Did you not write them down? Like, seriously, do I have to repeat myself? Yes, you do. You do have to repeat yourself.

Yeah, well, I've got, here it is, Florida. Like Toronto and Ottawa are not even close to Florida and Tampa right now, guys. So I've got Florida, Tampa, Bay, Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Detroit, Boston, Buffalo. All right. So.

I'll write it down this time. So let me give you the West. Do you want the West? Write this down so I don't have to repeat myself next week. Colorado number one. These are the eight teams I've gotten the playoffs. Okay. Colorado number one, Vegas number two, Winnipeg number three, L.A.

number four. Oh, my goodness. Edmonton number five. Wow. Dallas number six. Utah are going to make the playoffs. And St. Louis is the eighth team. St. Louis misses the playoffs.

St. Louis makes the playoffs. Oh, they make the playoffs. Okay. As the eighth team. Oh, as the eighth team. Who we knew missing there? Minnesota. Colorado is the top team.

Okay. All right. Yeah. Um. What? you know, Minnesota's make the big signing and I don't have them in the playoffs. I just like Zuccarella's out for

what another month at least. Big, big loss for them. So I've got, that's who I've got is making the playoffs. We had, we had Billy Aaron on the other day. I don't know if you caught him on our show, but he was great.

I only get your show when I'm on. Okay. That doesn't surprise us. Mack, he basically said we needed to sign him at whatever cost and we'll just figure out the rest.

Yeah. At the end of the day, is that okay because you don't lose these type of players and as you said with Marner they're hard to replace. So like ultimately did they do the right thing at 17 million just to keep a star player

and we'll work around the edges? I think they had no choice. That's what I think. I didn't like, you know, Craig Leopold, in fairness to Craig, you know, he's a fan and he's a really good guy and he's a really good owner. But him talking did not help Billy Gairn's chances. And Paul Theophanis is not an easy guy to deal with, let me tell you. I mean, look at the players he's got.

and he's he he grinds sounds like he's really good at his job I didn't say that I'm not complimenting him that much but he does grind I'm not giving him that much no because you're still in your president mode GM mode I don't I don't think I don't think Billy had any choice

and you know it's the same BS I listen to I've listened to it for 20 years in the NHL every time somebody does a contract. Oh, what's it going to do to every other contract? I remember when we signed players in Columbus, I'd go to a GM meetings and everybody would be whining. Oh, well, Nash sets a new standard. And I said to Berkey, you didn't set a new standard when you signed Joe Bonoski in Vancouver? That didn't help me. I mean, it happens all the time. It's happened for 20 years and it just goes away eventually, you know? I mean, it doesn't help Edmonton with

McDavid. I mean, what's he going to do now? What's he want? He's going to get whatever he wants. But he can't want a lot or else he'll take away his chances of winning or spending money to help him win. He's caught Mack.

He can't go against $17 or $18 million because it takes away a good chance to win this year. Is he the only guy in the league that's going to do that? Hughes wasn't worried about that. The kid that just signed. and the next U's brothers won't be worried about it when they're up.

And every other superstar is not going to worry about it. Is Connor and Sid the only two and the face of the earth that worry about that? It seems that way to me. You know, God bless Sid for what he did. I mean, Dubas is making more money than he and Sid. I don't think that works right. But anyway. So anyway, it's the next few years he's trying to protect.

If he signs a two-year deal, he can't sign for $40 million. It will not help his chances to win a Stanley Cup, clearly. No, but, you know, what's, I mean, what is he supposed to do? Take $3 million less? That's what, people believe that's going to happen. People believe that he will not pass Carrillo.

I've got them today is the fifth best team in the West. That's where I've got them. Why so low for a team back-to-back cup finals? I didn't like, I didn't like, the depth they signed this summer, I didn't really like it. They're going back with the same group on the back end, essentially. They're going back with the same goal tenant. Ingram, I mean, look, I know we just got to come back from sick leave.

I mean, I liked him a little bit last year in Utah, but I just don't see the improvement. I mean, Ike Howard and some of these young guys, I mean, they're decent moves, but I just don't see them as an improved hockey team. I don't. I mean, it's going to be, I mean, Hyman is a month before he can play, apparently. I mean, how do you guys have them? I mean, they go to the finals.

I mean, can they do it three years in a row going to the finals? It doesn't happen very often. Yeah, just, you know, those two guys are so good. Certainly they pull them through and have, but. They're going to put dry sidle again now with McDavid. which is, I like that because Ryan Newton Hopkins is as good as any number two center in the league. So I actually don't mind that move. It gives them a little better look, in my opinion, with Newton Hopkins in the second hole.

He's a good player that get. What about Dallas, six? They just traded for Ranton in that was supposed to put him over the top to win a Stanley Cup last year. Why do you have him sixth? Well, I guess, you know, who were they back? better than. They're not better than Colorado. They're not better than Vegas. They're not better than Winnipeg. We're last year at least. L.A. I like L.A. better. Edmonton. I've got them right there with Edmonton like a half a point behind Edmonton. I think they're better than L.A. L.A. Sticks.

They don't stick. They don't stick. You give me your list and I'll put my list there. You got my this and let's see who's right at the end of the season. So this is your segment. It's not mine. You know, if I'm wrong, I'll be the first one not to admit it. Perfect. Hey, Mac, what do you think? By the other, by the way, one other thing, Utah. I'm so sick of excuses coming out of Utah.

I don't want to hear any more excuses. They've got the new owner. They've got the new building. They've got the great city. I don't mean Utah. but that franchise. No more, no more BS. This is their year to make it.

The coach, in my opinion, should be on the hot seat right here. I'm wondering if he's an NHL, you know, I like lots of things about him. I don't know if he'll survive if they don't get off to a good start. But no more excuses, you know. It is funny how you go from. Seattle should be better. So.

It is funny how you go from everyone being like, yeah, they're not even trying to win. No pressure. All of a sudden it's like, okay. Now it's time. Let's let's see what Utah really is. I wanted to get your thoughts on these young kids signing long contracts. Jackson, Lecombe, Luke Hughes, seven years, eight years at 21, 22 years old, well, 22 and 24, actually. What are your thoughts on those deals?

Well, you know, it used to be the, let's get the bridge deal done and then you get another crack at it. But why, you know, I guess you want, you know, I know, I know the Matthew Singh and how they've played out with Matthews and now he gets another crack at it. I understand all that. But the difference for me is the money they're paying them. How do you not take it when they give you $9 million

a year and $8 million a year when you've barely played in the league? I mean, I don't know how you turn that down, morning. I just don't. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I guess you got to get the money when you can get the money. You don't know what's coming next. Like, hey, if they're coming through like they were in the old days

even when Matthews was going there I would take a shorter deal a bridge deal and then hit your big home run but now they give the top dollars right out of the shoot they're scared of losing guys an interesting scenario here with Jackson Lecombe

was six years ago the 39th pick overall and now he's making $9 million a year if by chance Pat Rebeek's wrong here is this like a fork in the road for some general managers can they

can Pat Rebeek still do well as a general manager if he's completely wrong on this guy first of all I don't think he's going to be wrong on him I think he's going to be a really good important player for that team he might be wrong this year on him

but I think in the long run he's not going to be wrong on him that's my opinion can it get hedging is good now it's it's it's it's a good gamble to hedge on what you think is your quality nuclei kind of guy i think when you you you figure out who your your core guys are and you and you get them locked up you know it like how many teams are going to be held up and held up and held up by these guys at 20 at seven years pro you know they're buying some restricted time. I don't think it's a bad thing right now.

And the cap's going to go through the roof. I want to know, I want to know with all these teams worth a billion dollars, like seriously, a billion Winnipeg, I love the franchise.

They're struck, they're, I hear they're up against it big time right now. I hear that. I mean, well, financial. I mean, When did Gary go out there and talk to the corporate world in Winnipeg and say, you guys got to get behind this team? Is that last year or the year before?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. And I think it's still there. And a billion three, like, I don't, look, when the salary cap came in, 17 teams were losing money amongst the 17 teams there, the league was losing $275 million at that point before the cap. And they ran Bob Goodnow out. The players, the group of whatever, the group that all became presidents and GMs ran them out and, you know, some agents. And they've got their cap now and it's going through the roof.

So these kids are going to get paid. The money's there. I'd like to know what the bottom lines are. I'd love to know what the bottom line is. I'd love to know what these billion dollar franchises are cash flowing. I'd love to know that. But that's... It's two different things, right?

Like, the values are not, they're just based on how badly somebody wants a team. So it's just Bitcoin. It's just like an arbitrary we've decided they make no money. There's no pressure to make any money, Kip? I think it's a little bit like Bitcoin, yeah. It's just like, that sounds cool to own. They tell me you can spend it. I mean, what does, what does, what does,

not making money each year mean it here's what it means it means the main owner has to phone the minority guys and say we lost 30 million last year and we need you to anti up and put some money in and you know what the minority guys say you're joking you're joking we have to dig in our pockets and put more cash in after what we had to put in to buy this franchise and they're not happy. But they still have to do it. What? You have to do it.

You may lose your ability to be a minority owner. Well, what happens is if you don't pay your share, you get knocked down, and that's what lots of guys do. You know, instead of being a 12% owner, I'll drop down to a 7% owner. You know, so there's options like that, but nobody wants to do that. So nobody likes cash calls either, guys. and that's what losing, you know, cash flow means. The one thing I do here is that some GMs and even some owners

are not happy that the league projected three years ahead on the salary cap because it's just it's cost them big-time money. Like there's just, there's no way Correll gets 17 million without not knowing the third year from now. Right. And I said it last week to you guys, guys, Is there, when are teams going to say, I'm sorry, my salary cap is $95 million? That's all we can afford to pay.

Like, what's Nashville's thinking right now? What are Ottawa thinking right now? What are Winnipeg thinking? What are these teams thinking that have to battle, you know, to put people in their building? Columbus. I mean, how do they go to $104 million salary cap? Your fans get ticked off if you don't go to the cap. But, I mean, you've got to run it like a business.

And if you're not making cash flow, I don't know how you spend $104 million on players. I don't know. What are you going to, instead of giving the scouts the $70 a day meal money, knock them down to that'll be the next thing will happen. They'll knock the scouts down where they have to bring sandwiches on the road. Jesus, bad. Next week, we need you to come on with a patch,

a patch on your shirt next week. That's how the league's going to make up money. any, more patches, more stickers on helmets? Like, they're just, they're going to have to, they're going to have to find different ways to create revenue. If I'm going to watch the Leafs play like that last night, they better take the milk one off and put a booze sticker. Because I can't watch that, if that's, if that's milk.

They played like, a lot of them played like they were bags of milk. So put a different stick on, put a booze sticker on there. Put a bourbon or something on there. And it might make me feel a little bit. Oh, God. I don't know where to go from there. I don't either. I think we're good.

I played golf today. I was worried I was going to miss the show. I phoned Sammy, an emergency call to Sammy about missing, you know, not being finished in time, but we scrambled and we got through it. How did you get it? I broke my damn sand wedge today. Over your knee? Well, after the third time of trying to. to get out of a trap.

I finally threw it out of the trap. And then I threw my sand trap and it hit a damn washer thing and snapped in two. I mean, you know, what, like, I was so mad about the way the Leafs played last night.

I couldn't focus on my golf game. All right. So much for the sandwich. I know, Jill. Just a minute. I know, Jill. I'm an idiot. I apologize. Anyway. Listen, you're rounding. up it we've had you already on twice the season hasn't even started and you're you've had a

good training camp okay yeah you're ready to go i was i'm the i'm the i'm the stolars of this show was you're the only one that showed up for this segment except no you guys been good all right mac thanks for doing this as always my friend hey guys thanks a lot for having me yes thank you very much mclair everybody I appreciate it. Former NHL president, GM head coach. And I don't know what else he's doing. I think he's writing another book.

Which is just horrible for us. I'll say, I've got an extra wedge. I should get out to Doug somehow. Yeah. You're righty? Do you know? Doug a ready or a lefty? Strikes me as a lefty.

I think he's a righty. Yeah. He's definitely listening, so. All right, Doug, I got a wedge for you, pal. Oh, he did hang up. Waiver wire. Yeah. A little surprising.

We got a lot of names on there? Only one I knew. There are a lot of not exciting names. I can read them to you if you want. Well, just give me names familiar with... Well, David Kamp got waived. Okay. Any other significant names off any Canadian teams?

Let me see here. No. I'm curious if... Neil's Amin and Vancouver got it. Who else? Yeah. Camp makes $2.4 million this year and now. With another year.

30 years old. He's a good centerman. Okay, but news came down today that Scott Lotton will be out what the Leafs, I think, described as week to week with the lower body. We covered the game. Everybody could see a puck hit his ankle or that area, the foot area. So, you know, if we sat here and speculated that he broke his foot, I don't think it would be a huge stretch. Right. So if we forecast or project a possibility of four to six weeks,

why put camp on waivers? Well, Do you want to get rid of that money that badly? I guess get rid of the money. The other thing, though, I think, like if they want one of those guys that's sitting out in, it feels like Kelly Arncrock had a good camp, everyone's talking about he's healthy and he's looked good. But you need a, he's going to play center?

You need a fourth line center. Oh, gosh, no, no. He's played center in the league. no well then i don't think he's ever proven that he could play center for a long period of time so that's why this is so weird like you're going through the names of list of people and for the guy that you know well then it's domi going down playing center playing three c and or or wae whichever i mean they're third and four lines they're so convinced that camp will not be claimed that they think it's a safe bet and if by chance he does get claimed i think it's a win win because

They can lose the $2.4 million. So I think that's... So they're just going to kind of paper it together with their in-house options for the fourth line center? If he does clear, then they can just send him down whenever they want for 30 days or something like that. I believe if Scott Lotton didn't get hurt,

Camp was going to start with the Toronto Marley's. Yeah. And now that's not entirely clear. I don't know how you can. This is what depth is all. about but if it's too if the depth is too expensive then I think there might

be a small window but I don't I don't see anybody claiming David Camp not yet not yet anyways interesting too because I didn't think Easton Cowan had a great night last night I was glad you brought this up yeah like are are they like are the least allowed

to start a guy that's overqualified for the Marley's and let him play there for a couple months and then have him be part of the playoff run like the, you know, like teams have done with, it's happened a million times. Totally. Like, Dallas has done a bunch of that.

Like, yeah, like, I just kind of watch that game last night. There's a couple plays. It just looks like a young man out there. Yeah. Overpowered physically. Like, I just, it's exciting to have him on the team. If he makes it, it's new blood. It's something different.

I understand all it from a fans perspective, but from like an actual team development. I don't know if it's the smartest thing. On our broadcasts for the Leaf preseason, I had said, for six or eight minutes, that's potentially, I want POSETA. And I know you've been a fan. Yep.

So, like, I'm with you. I would like to see. On the wing. Yeah, I wouldn't say there's been a moment in an exhibition game. They've been watching them in practice, but I haven't seen anything in an exhibition game where I'm like, there it is. That's what I was hoping for. It hasn't happened yet.

With Cowan? No, no, Pizzetta. Yeah, yeah. So I agree, though, that Pesetta has been, he's played 200 games in the NHL. But you signed them, you made a commitment. You made a commitment. Two-year deal. 200 games in the league.

He can do it. Yeah. Maybe that lets. Cowan get a month or two under his belt but I do get the impression they want to keep Cowan as much as we're saying this I get the impression the Leafs want to keep Cowan and how frustrating

frustrated is Nick Robertson right now because it's just he cannot get off this this treadmill of not being able to find a spot this is pathetic this is how much I think about sports but I had a dream last night that he got traded to the Minnesota Wild so maybe it's because we had Billy Garron on the show

this week maybe and thinking about it, but I feel like it's imminent. Yeah. Like him to somewhere for a fourth round pick feels imminent to me. Doesn't it? Well, I'd say yes, I've been feeling that way for two years. They're going to just keep stringing them along

and in and out of the lineup and I just... He finally got money. He'll get claimed. I think if he's on waivers, he'll get claimed. They're not going to waive them. They're not going to... This is the thing. They're like so worried about this guy's going to go somewhere else

and burn you. Then play them. Yeah. Where? Well, what do you mean where? Where? You got Domia as a whole Machelli, you got Cowan

in your lineup right now. If you can't beat out any of these guys, then wave them. You can't. Well, then wave them. This whole thing that they're afraid he's going to go somewhere and burn them. I think it's very funny.

They won't give him a Robertson a chance up the lineup at all his whole time. Ever. No. Text. Yeah, we'll do text. We're going to take a break, but text 595, 9.

Got any questions? Open night tonight, no real. I mean, because there's some preseason hockey on Sports Night tonight if you're into that sort of thing. Sabres and penguins at 7 o'clock, preseason action. But what I was going to say is lots of little clips from the Amazon series trickling into my news feed. Saw Luke Fox wrote a, you know, biggest takeaway article on SportsSat.com.

So it's starting to be out there. Will you, maybe tonight, a couple of Beveraginos and watch that? So it's on now, you can catch it? Yeah. Like, do I have to? Like, I'm asking, if I'm coming on Monday. How many episodes is there? How many episodes is there?

I don't know. I don't know. But if it's Jack Eichael having dinner with his friends again, I'm not going to do that. But I'll watch the Four Nations one. Maybe the Leafs one. Here's Luke's five takeaways. Don't you hear him? Yeah.

Shanahan leaves believing. He still believes in the Leaves. Nealander's dad is making up for lost time is the next thing. Oh, Mike. Sorry, I don't have time to read all that on air. The Cachuck Boys steal the Leafs episode. Oh, boy. Oh, Jesus.

You're not going to like that, Sam. Marner and Matthews cameos are brief and uncomfortable. Oh, geez, look at some of the quotes in there. And Barubi isn't afraid to use the S word. Oh, and that, by the way, is not the curse. It's soft. Yeah. Yeah.

I saw a clip of him M.F. and Matthews on the bench. Do you see that clip? No. Or he's like, go out there, lead by example. And then Willie's like, they're slow. You're not skating. He's effing. Oh, yeah.

Matthews and Willie. They're giving. it to Matthews. Barouba is. Yeah. When they're down three zip in game seven, he is yelling at them, telling them, like,

go out there and lead, lead. Like, he's on. You know what? That, it's, it surprises me that, okay,

Marner, I understand if, in the back of his mind, he's like, I'm out of here, man. I'm not taking part in any of this.

Okay. But why is Austin Matthews the face of the franchise, the captain, the leader, the... And he's not prominent in this. He's not... He's sparse. Was that the word?

Their cameos are brief and uncomfortable. Brief, brief and uncomfortable. Tell me why the face of the franchise of the Toronto Maple Leafs is brief. Because he probably didn't want to be in it. Didn't want a camera in his face during the playoffs? Why don't you want to be in it? Because he probably, like, I mean...

Guys, like you pick him a... park and and listen you were you're this is your market then you are the face you are the leader you are the guy but you're not trying to sell the leaves they don't care you were the guy that was screaming about mac david being too much so which way do you want it but at least he's there no no no no no he did it yeah he did it yeah but he didn't want to do it but he was but he was yeah they just had cameras on him they had cameras on him and then they closed the gate You're like, that's too much access. But he still did it.

You still, you saw him. Yeah. And you've got a feel of what this guy, his intensity. Yeah. The other guy, nowhere to be found. Yeah. Well, we don't know that yet. We haven't seen it.

But Luke does, I'm reading here and says that Matthews come in. The one thing he says, the camera says, out. Gives him, see you later in one of this stuff. Yeah, he babs him. He gave him the old babs. Okay, that's good. Yeah. That shows some personality.

Yeah. I can't wait to not watch Sorry Amazon I love you. You're giving you an assignment now Oh you're not going to make you do that I'm making you watch it There's six episodes

I'm not least episodes I know yeah You're gonna watch it I got a busy weekend So it's gonna have to be today You better do your homework my friend Listen I'm going to a Jay's game on Saturday I'm going too

You are? I am gonna go Well I think our seats might be a different spot Kippur's gonna be in the caviar section Gucci Roe I'll be in the bleeders Nah, you got great seats right behind second base. Get out of here.

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Join us as we discuss the most important sports stories of the day and tee up the biggest games of the night. It's the fan pregame. 6 p.m. weekdays on Sportsnet, SportsSat 590, The Fan, and wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the program. Nick Caprius, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. All right, Sammy, I'll let you fast forward a few parts over Amazon, you know, that you deem, like, boring.

I don't know what, boring. Listen, I love Amazon, and I love how much they're trying to bring people into the game. Yes. But when I was watching the last season, I was like, oh, this is kind of compelling. I got to get my heart broken again watching the last game. And then it's like, how about Jack Eichel and Noah Hannafin at an Italian dinner? I'm like, click. I'm like, I'm good.

I don't need to see this. It's like, oh, I have all the boys over and we have a meal. It's like, holy God. Like, it's like, wow, what a thrill. Part of the problem is that hockey players are inherently boring and the schedule makes it hard to do cool things. What's next? You know, like, there are aloe sponsorships and kale smoothies.

Like, holy crap, boys. I do think you get a much better sense though for the people that you're watching and that's the point, right? It's like when you're watching full swing or F1 you get an idea for these. But the problem is they all want to be the F1. F11 was so great because it's fast cars

but it's egos and honky dudes and like exotic locations and then they're like, how about white guys in Florida playing golf and everybody's like, this is not quite as good. Why does this not as enjoyable as the F-1 one? Yeah. But anyways.

We did get a little bit of insight on Sheldon and Kyle and the way things kind of got run. Wasn't that a different one? I don't know. Just a Leaf series called All or Nothing. No, it's Amazon, yeah, Amazon. But there's Leafs-only series. We're getting killed in the narrative.

Because Matthew said we need to open it up, remember? And then he was like pissed off about that. Yeah. But see, there's usually something you can grab onto and be like, oh, now I have a better idea how these guys think or feel. I'm going to watch it. Never finished that one. How did it end?

Same as the other ones. Pretty predictable endings. Sometimes you don't want to open up the curtains because you see the wizard. You see the wizard and he's about five, six. Yeah. And you just want to kind of cuff him in the head. I say this all the time. That was like my biggest, most eye-opening thing when I was video coach and then you get

to be with the Leafs and the organization, you learn. It's a bunch of just people making decisions. There is no secret sauce or formula and just guys being like, what do you think? I don't know, what do you think? Or all, everyone is just kind of doing their best. Everywhere you go. Tex? Tex.

Mike and Barry, I hope when the regular season starts, there will be less money talk. Enough already. Totally. Go, Jays, go. Totally. I actually had this conversation online with some people who are like,

it stinks as a hockey fan that you have to know about the salary cap and state taxes and waivers and, you know, like, can we just talk about hockey and the players and which players your team wants and not like, oh, that's why it's the best in playoffs when we talk about it

because it's just, it never comes up. It doesn't matter, except for when the Panthers cheat, but other than that, it doesn't come up. Everything's relative to ultimately what you see on the ice.

So how do you not have that conversation? I know we have to because it's relevant. So here we are Connor McDavid and the future of him in Edmonton. And it's all based on money. So how do you not have that conversation? how do you avoid it impossible no it's a massive part of why player movement occurs in the NHL so if you want to know in advance where people are going and when we told you weeks ago

david camp was going to be on waivers like good comment but unrealistic no but i also i i do get it i i wish there's a way to talk about it less i do get it but if you want to know about the salary cap then we're good no salary cap i do think as the cap gets higher it'll be less important to worry about the... I couldn't tell you what one Toronto Blue Jay makes. God, that's a great point. Actually, George Springer makes $25 million.

And Lattie makes $5 million. But outside of that, it's like... Gun to my head. What does Ernie Clement make? $650 grand? No idea. $16 million. No idea.

Varsho could make $100 million or $5 million. I'd have no idea. And I watch the team every single day. So true. And nobody's hating anybody because of it. Well, Vladdy has a bad series against the Yanks, but people might be hating it. But you're right.

Like Marmar here and Willie. It was all money based But it's not putting pressure on the organization. It's not putting pressure on the product. No. No. Right. And that's the biggest difference.

Cole from Toronto here. How do players feel when their coach is in year two of their tenure versus year one? More comfortable? Don't have to prove themselves as much. Question marks on both. So let's use Nick Robertson as an example after a year with Craig Bruvie. okay like worse it's tough to change her a lot it all depends on your relationship with this guy and how much he likes you or trusts you or all of it it's just after a year am I better or worse

in this relationship now I'll say I was a guy that coaches liked I listened and I knew our systems and I tried hard you know by and large so I the more I had a coach the better it went college Junior, the more I had a coach, the better it went. There are some guys who do not listen and do not know the systems and don't stick to the structure. And the longer you're with that coach, the more frustrated they get. And you can see guys wear on coaches over time. So it depends.

Machialli in Utah, right? It's a tourney, right? The head coach, yeah. Yeah, they had a horrible relationship. Is that right? Yes, horrible. And they went out at it a few times. And it's like, the next thing you,

You know, he's a healthy scratch for over 30 games. I liked Machelli, by the way, last night. He made some place. Such a slow golfer. He was like, you got to go. Patrick Cheneck. There's some people that believe that he didn't get a fair shake there either. And he's better than what the coach thought.

Toronto now you got Nick Robertson, who can't, Ruby cannot find him a place to play over a year now. It's crazy. It's crazy. That's where the frustration. lies with relationships that you have with a coach and sometimes it just gets

just gets worse, right? The hole gets bigger for a player to dig out of and there's no question Nick Robertson would love fresh change. Machelli's got one so it makes a huge difference. Fresh start for those guys.

All the talk about the new Riley, same as ever. No compete in front of the net and poor decisions on when to pinch way too many two-on-ones in the game, Wayne from Milton. Yeah, I think in the last game, we saw three, I think, in the second period,

if I'm not mistaken. And I think he gets caught a couple times. Yeah. That's a fair observation. God, I would love for Morgan Riley one year to have a $10 million D man on the team who runs the power play. And he's just making seven and, you know, being pretty good and not in the spotlight. But this year it's going to be like, you're the number one D.

They're pushing OEL now for offense. I have noticed that in preseason, too. He's made some great plays. He's up the rink a bit more. They put him on PP1. They may. That may happen. Actually, that'll definitely happen at times.

If Riley struggles, they'll definitely try that. Steve and Salmonarm. What's up, B.C.? Shoo-Schwops. I think you can tell the Yankees and Red Sogues was good for the Blue Jays by all the second-guessing of the managerial decisions made in game three.

Thoughts. That was a great series. Booney didn't have to make many decisions yesterday with the chicken staff. Just roll slittered out for eight innings. Slittler. Slittler. It's a tough one to say in the radio.

Schlittler. Back out there. Yankees are kind of making me nervous. Yeah, they're massive favorites in the series against the Jay Sam was saying. Love that. Love that. They're a lot healthier than they were last year, too. I know still the big man there.

Judd is, Judge, sorry. Judge. is still being challenged, I guess, with his arm. Yeah. But he scares me. Here's what you can't. Okay. Not to go full blur and barker because they're about to come up

and give a full breakdown. But keep the ball and play against the Yankees. They'll boot it around. They always do. Don't walk anybody for their home runs so that they have one and two run home runs as opposed to grand slams and three run home runs and just hope that you get some timely hitting.

But you have to keep the ball and play against them because they booed it. They love to boot it. They are brutal on defense. They'll throw up the first three rows. That's what I mean. The most important decision, though, is like, how do you roll out your pitchers? Jeff, Blair, the other day I was chatting with them.

And you may have heard this too where he said that maybe you go your Savage game too because it's in Toronto rather than his first playoff start being Yankee Stadium. Under the lights on a Monday. You know, so instead of Godman Bieber, you go, Gosman, you Savage Bieber. I'm going to moral. I am cripplingly nervous. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah.

I mean, the stakes are high with fandom. Because the Yankees fans, bringing the Yankees into a playoff series, it's a whole ecosystem of just... It's like leaps in a playoff series. It's just what follows them is a lot of stuff online and offline you have to deal with. And losing to them, the stakes are incredibly high for fans. If the leaves are worth $4.3 billion or whatever, what are the New York Yankees worth?

More. Like, 10 billion, though? They're a monster. A gazillion. Yeah, it's just a made-up number. As Doug was saying, they're all made-up numbers anyway. Yeah, it's like... It's like...

It's making $0 of revenue, you know, sorry, net profits. According to Forbes, they are between 8.2 and $8.4 billion with a B. Yeah, teams making no actual money that are worth a billion dollars. So that's the baseline. Valley, isn't Valley, like, where is he from? Like, why is he wearing a Yankee hat? I know he lives down there, but like, if I lived in New York for 15 years,

I wouldn't wear it. a Yankee. You know, though, I look at, like, my wife's family, like, you know, Clark Yilly's down there, lived in New York from when he was 20 years old till, you know, the rest of his life, almost 50 years. He's cheering for the New York teams. Steve Elkett is from Atobico, Ontario. Yes.

And he's wearing a Yankee. I'm sorry. That's actually pretty bad. Not to, like, put our boy on blast here. Hopefully he's listening. That's embarrassing. He lives in New York. He's been there 30 years.

I don't know how long he's been there. Oh, I'm going to live in New York and put on a Yankee hat. Sorry. That's okay. It's a little weird. I know your audience, man. It's a little weird. It didn't grow up a Jay's fan.

I don't know. Maybe this, for the fans, they'll turn into a little Rider Cup kind of thing. I think there's definitely going to be some Canada, USA stuff for sure. I saw a big glob of Yankee fans chanting after Blue Jays at the Yankee game after last night. So here we go, boys. Monday. What are we coming in?

What's the series going to be? We come in on Monday. Split. One, one. Jays get tomorrow against Luis Heel and then. free deals game first pitch 4 p.m. Eastern 408 408 go find kipper in the Gucci row look for Sammy

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