Real Kyper & Bourne - Offseason Outlines with Elliotte Friedman

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start the show with a chat about the timing of the Stanley Cup Final and whether the delayed start is hurting the hype. They are joined by Hockey Night in Canada and 32 Thoughts' Elliotte Friedman (8:08), who shares a peak into the offseason with potential trades ahead of July 1, the Canucks' plans for Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes, how the Leafs change their 'DNA,' Sam Bennett's reasons to stay in Florida, Mitch Marner landing spots, Lou Lamoriello's role with the Islanders and much more. Later, Nick, Justin and Sam look at names potentially on the move, including the Wild's Marco Rossi, Vegas' Nic Hague, and whether Morgan Rielly would lift his no-move clause.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Welcome in to the fastest hour in hockey. It's the real Kipper and Bourne show. We are live on Sportsnet Sportsnet 590 the fans Sportsnet 960 in Calgary Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver and Sportsnet plus Nick Kiprio Justin Bourne Sammy McKee technical technical directors, Derek Brandeo and Jake the Snake Schultz. As a reminder, this hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet365, day four of no hockey. Day four of the six day break between Stanley Cup and the rest of the season. I gotta tell you, this weekend with no hockey sucked. Yeah I missed it. I I I needed something. You know what it is Sammy has to work the

weekend games right because of Leafs talk. He's like oh yeah. I'm saying that's what he's though he's glad to have the free time I just have to sit there and watch the games so I miss it. It got canceled. Yeah, the Leafs canceled it on us They did please talk on canceled by this another reason why you're sour I mean, listen, they should call this show instead of real Capra more than three guys who haven't thought about hockey since the mics went off Friday Count of Monte Cristo If the conference final goes deeper then we got hockey on the weekend that never happened I can't there's really no way to guard this guard around it

Well, I mean kept it do we need six days off? but do how do you do that like if buildings have been committed or if the Buildings are unavailable. What do you do? And I mean if that's the case, you're right I I guess you just have it go on for three weeks like we're gonna do here. But I do think that fans check out. And actually this is something that McKee and I briefly touched on before the mics got turned on here

was like, can we just drop the puck September 15th? Do we really need to start mid October so that it takes us to damn near July? This is an American thing up against Football and college ball and all of that. It's and in there an American fan Let's stand in there and fight instead of just like I don't know that's Homer versus dr. Caton They're getting killed. We're getting killed in that fight, but no one's watching now. Anyway, I got news for you the last 20 years Canada's gotten

Kicked in the teeth a little bit here. So the idea for people who don't actually know is that? Attendance in the US at NHL games goes through the roof after February when the NFL's down and eyeballs on TV So they want as much hockey post February in the US as possible, which if you're Canadian sucks if if fans have disappeared a little bit or gone astray the last four days and potentially six I think this series has a chance to pull them back right away I think this has a chance to attract a lot of eyeballs. This, you're right. This series itself, these two teams, this matchup is enough to make me say,

I'm staying invested here. Now ratings in general have been down in the States, I think even significantly, but if I'm not mistaken, I think Edmonton and Florida did well last year in the final. But it did go seven games, but I think it did well. Well, I mean, the thing is, you have the best player in the world involved in the final. It's always going to garner a little bit of interest.

And I do think, not to go full like ratings Talk here, but I actually think this is a pretty awesome opportunity for the NHL because like, you know NBA fans will be excited about the Oklahoma City Thunder versus the Pacers in the final draw, but that's not exactly the most crossover event in terms of getting like the casuals involved and Connor McDavid versus the, uh, against the defending champs with a chance to, to rebound. It actually has a chance here to kind of, you know, let me throw this at you. Okay. We're coming off four nations. We're coming off a Canada kind of us feel and we're coming off a very violent

right nine seconds We got a chance here to recreate all of that always in the final Well, listen, I don't want in kitchen. Okay. I don't know about a fight But this has a chance to be a really violent series. It's also true that yeah, and it's also true that like, you know, we just went through the boxes around the time of the four nations. You know, you had the, you know, Trump takes over as president.

We have a Canadian election in that time. There is a bit more of a nationalistic vibe. It works for me. It's got me rooting for the Oilers voice. It works for me. But I will say, you know, while we're doing ratings talk, you know, people are, I see people online on Twitter being like, ratings down in the U.S. and it's like, yeah, look who's in the playoffs the Rangers the Flyers yeah you know Detroit Chicago Boston first time I think in history that the major no original 16 no original six teams yeah so that that didn't help at

all but a lot of Canadian action so one step back for two steps forward in theory yeah theory like is Florida what's Florida gonna be like on the other end of this in seven years are they gonna have more solid consistent fan which was which by the way that that state's been in the final like all those years six straight times right it's almost like think about that competitive Murphy so you want to go to I'm not doing this but I'm gonna Oh, Murphy. Six straight years? Come on! Loaded! So you want to go to...

I'm not doing this, but I'm going to do it just a little bit. You're going to credit those six consecutive years in a Stanley Cup final on tax saving. Listen. Stop it. And don't give me listen. I won't. Cooper. I won't say it's the only reason.

It's a contributing factor it is They just picked the right guys okay, come on They had they picked the right guys, but they had a bigger pool to pick from More guys were willing to be there then Kevin shovel day off had the choice of picking Yeah, and I think it was Anson Carter on TNT that said okay so for the first 30 years they were in the league and nobody wanted to play there. Yeah but it's not been like now they discovered an accountant told them how much they could save and now they all want to go down there. You there's nothing that like disproves players, we don't listen to the media,

more than the fact that now the media talks about taxes and players are like, hey, tax savings, that's appealing. But it has become a much bigger story in the last five years. In a couple minutes, we'll welcome Elliot Friedman, Hockey Night in Canada, 32 thoughts, as if we don't hear enough from him, we're gonna give it to you, the listeners,

one more time, Elliot. But we're gonna go around the league with Elliot I think a little bit too. Yeah Plenty time to tee up. This is kind of his time Florida and Edmonton, but we'll get some get some dirt out of him. You said there was no hockey this weekend There in fact was hockey last Memorial Cup Memorial Cup. That's right The London Knights have now won three Memorial Cups. Just really make sure. Congratulations to Dale and Mark Hunter. Yep, you said it. You okay with that? No, I'm not. You really hate

them. Oh my god. Yeah, we don't need to get down this road again. But yeah, but Easton Cowan named the MVP of the tournament. Easton Cowan. Now he was drafted by Florida, right? Toronto? That's good news. Okay. We don't get to, thank God we don't have to talk with Easton Cowan now he was drafted by Florida, right? Thank God we don't have to talk with that anymore. All right. We'll get Elliot to talk about it as we welcome him in Boy, this is like a vacation for you. Hey, you've met. This is like the longest break you've had like in 30 years. I Don't know about that No break until no break until July 2, Nick. You know that. Have you had a little time for each though?

Like this weekend, you actually got to be at home? Yes. Bad for my wife's boyfriend, but good for me. That's great. More tennis lessons, I think. That's right. That's right. Just we figured with you we'd kind of go around the league first of all obviously there's gonna be plenty of time for all of us to dissect still in the next

few days a Stanley Cup final but you know in terms of Elliott on these days off, how much have you been on the phone in terms of the field going into the month of June? I got a trade board coming out here in the next little while for sportsnet.ca, could come out as early as today, so keep an eye on it. And one of the things that I kind of stressed on it, Elliot, was that with the draft changing the way it is and teams not physically being altogether

under one roof, basically, it could start the combine, which is going on this week in Buffalo, where all the teams are there, doing their various interviews, but it could be a new breeding ground to start trade talk. What are your thoughts on that? I think you're totally right. I also think guys that I'm more convinced now that this decentralized draft will be a one-year

thing. I think we're gonna go back to the previous way next year. Can you rephrase that? It'll be a one-year flop. A one-year flop, yes, a one-year flop. Everybody I think kind of realizes now it was a mistake and I think they realized it was a mistake when they saw what this fear was like but by then the Commissioner said no you guys voted for it it's too late to change it now. But Nick, you're right. This week's going to be big. They got all the teams there. They've got all the agents there. There's going to be a lot of talk. There's going to be a lot of conversation. We've seen a couple signings today, Cleven in Ottawa and Yanni Gordon Tampa Bay. And I think there are going

to be more. And I think there's going to, I think we're going to find out this week, what's real and what isn't. And the one question I don't know yet, Nick, is that usually teams wait until the draft. The pressure point isn't now. The pressure point is when you gotta make your decisions right there. I wonder if because people are here, we might actually see some action this week, simply because you're never gonna be face to face again. So what happens this time of year and what can happen in terms of like for you, what

are you keeping an eye on? What sort of things when you're talking about this could come out? Is it trades? Yes. Yeah. Like for example, like Nick's got his trade board and I'm sure we've probably heard a lot of similar names. I'm sure Nick's heard some that I haven't heard yet. I'll wait to see it. Um, but you know, like there's like there's an as Rossi,

like that's a big name. There's the Buffalo guys, like they've got Byron, uh, Paterka clearly is trying to make noise to force them to make a move. Um, you know, the Rangers have a bunch of guys out there. Nick Hague is a name that I think is getting a lot of attention. You know, there's a lot of players out there, Justin. Like if you really think about it, Justin, how many truly untouchable players are there in this league? Truly untouchable players. Yeah, there aren't that many. So I think you're going to see a lot of players discussed. Rasmus Anderson, Thatcher Demko, you know, and then there's, you know, there's the free agents there's, you know, Nick Ehlers, you know, like what are the jets thinking here?

They are they still trying to make this work? Do they still think they have a chance to make it work? You know, do do teams say, hey, I'll give you a pick if you let me get my hands on to talk to this free agent early. And then there's of course, you know, your Fridays with Doug McClain. I always remember Doug's line about tampering. It's not, I'm looking for this guy. I'm looking for a left shot who stands about six foot.

Anybody like that? I'm looking for a left shot who stands about six foot four. Yeah. Anybody like that? Yeah. So, like, all of this stuff is going to be going on right now, all of it. You're watching and listening to Elliot Friedman, Hockey Night in Canada, 32 Thoughts. So let's start out west in Vancouver. Yep. I think it's safe to say everybody's watching and listening on on peterson in terms of yeah where vancouver goes and

With with a pending no-move clause kicking in july 1st and whether or not How aggressive do they want to be to look around and and look at options here? But you know with the coaching change a major coaching change behind the bench would you ever see a major trade with Pedersen before July 1st in your opinion or is this just a feeling out process to know what what's out there with Pedersen I think they've known what's out there for him for a little bit of time, Nick.

To me, it simply comes down to if they if they want to do it. Jim Rutherford is the guy who spearheaded signing Patterson. He was the guy who was most behind it. He was the guy who wanted to do it. I don't think everybody in the Vancouver organization was sold about it when they did it. But Jim Rutherford, who had the biggest voice and the biggest vote, he was. And so you have to tell me that he's changed his mind or he feels there's something he's got to do differently. Now,

I think at different times this year, the Canucks really thought about it. Um, you know, I think one of the issues was that Pederson struggled so much this year that it kind of hurt his value. And I don't think they, look, I mean, ultimately the better thing to do, Nick, is solve your problem as opposed to trade your problem. And I think that is their goal. The other thing too is, you know,

if you're concerned about Quinn Hughes' future, and clearly they are, how do you feel about yourself as an organization if you have a situation where both Hughes and Pederson could be gone in a couple of years? I think you would consider that a major disappointment. So I know they've looked into it. I know they've considered it.

I think they know exactly what his value is. But I always remember that Jim Rutherford was the guy who made the decision to sign him. It wasn't unanimous. He did it. So you've gotta convince me that Jim Rutherford has changed his mind. Can I follow up with Vancouver? Yeah, for sure.

Just, you brought the name up, Quinn Hughes. There's no question. They're on the clock with this guy, with his contract, in a couple of years. Absolutely. So, it's not like anyone's dousing anything about whether or not this guy wants to stay or not and he's not going anywhere. Is this just going to grow legs here for the next little while here? And will we feel like the link between Vancouver and New Jersey can only grow legs from here on in.

Nick, as you know, there's only one thing that's going to change all this, and that is Vancouver has a really good year and Vancouver is a contender. Last year when they went to the second round of the playoffs and took Edmund into seven games, nobody was talking about any of this stuff. Nobody. And this year they have a nightmare of a year. They trade Miller, they miss the playoffs, their coach leaves.

Now this comes out. You think guys don't leave situations where they think they can win. Guys wanna win. Unless they got two brothers they really wanna play with. Yeah, but you know what, Nick? I gotta tell you something. I think if he thought Vancouver was a winner, I don't even think this would be a question. I really don't.

If he thought he could win here, you know, you can, like the thing is like I had one agent say to me a couple of years ago, he had a player that was a little bit unhappy and he had a team that had like a monster deal on the table for him. And he said, he said to the player that one of the things they talked about was like, like you could win here. And he goes, yeah. And they got a lot of money on the table. Yeah. He says, look, like if you sign the contract and things go badly, you don't think we can maybe force an exit to go somewhere else. Like you can always do that. Paths can always change. You know, these agents,

they have a lot of power. Players have a lot of power. Situations go badly. Players have more power in the NHL than they've ever had before. So I look at it this way. If you're Quinn Hughes, I think more than anything else, he wants to win. And if the Vancouver Canucks are in position to where, are in a situation where they can win, I don't think we're hearing a lot of this noise by like Jim Rutherford is a smart guy. He doesn't throw that comment out there at the end of the season by accident. He knows they had a really hard year and if they had, and if it continues to go like this,

Queen News is going to start looking and saying, I don't want to be somewhere where I'm not going to win. So I don't think this is a question of the Knox are a winner. I think it's purely a question because they're not going very well. It's funny. And this is just like a philosophical observation here. But like, it's so hard for gamblers to guess which teams are going to be good from team to team.

These guys signing eight year deals are looking at franchises and going, I don't think that they're going to be good from teams to team. These guys signing eight-year deals are looking at franchises and going, I don't think that they're going to have a great... Like, how can we know, you know, outside of the immediate next year? It seems to me really risky to pick teams based on, I think that's a winner there. You know, it's a great question. The problem is, Frej, it's not a question. I apologize for that.

You know, I don't, I mean, ultimately you take your chances. Like some guys, like for example, last year, how many of us thought that Nashville were gonna be in a really good spot after the summer they had and they had a disaster of a season? Right. And Capitals were awesome. Capitals were awesome. Capitals were fantastic. I mean, there's some teams

you look at and you think they're always going to be good and you take your chances. It's amazing to me now like this whole debate about Florida and the taxes. It's, it's a factor. But remember, a few years ago, nobody wanted to play for the Panthers. It wasn't until they became a good organization that people wanted to play for them. for the Panthers. It wasn't until they became a good organization that people wanted to play for them. Elliot, we heard from Toronto Maple Leafs, Brad, tree living the other day. What's your interpretation of DNA? Is that just a fancy way of saying we got to get rid of some players?

You know, I heard your take on it last week. I was listening to you guys on Friday afternoon after the press conference at the press conference and You know Nick, you know what it means, you know that that decision might be made for them like one of the biggest pieces of their DNA is an unrespected free agent and Everybody thinks he's leaving so they don't even need to change their DNA It's gonna be changed for them if it happens that way You've heard this in high school. I'm sure many times I'm breaking up with you

That's right the other way around that's right. It's a what's George Costanza you're giving me the it's not Yeah, it's not you it's me. I invented that. Yeah it's uh I think the thing about it this year guys is if you really look at the free agency class it's not that deep. Like there's a lot of teams out there with a lot of cap space. How many teams out there are talking about we need a 2C? There's like 15 teams out there saying we need a two C. I believe this is the start of inflation if I know how economics works. There's not a lot of two C's out there. Not every one of these teams is going to get what they want to get. You know, Bennett, I don't, I don't know. Like do you guys buy that there's a team out there that's going to pay Bennett 10 million?

God, I kind of kind of do like, I don't think there should be. Can I just explain to you though, like if they are willing to pay him 10 million, do you know the equivalent to staying in Florida would be under $8 million? Yes, 100%, I understand that. So if you have trouble believing that a team could go to 10, why on earth would he leave? Wait, didn't you just tell us taxes don't matter?

Well, in this case, it does. Okay. Okay. Like, I'm all for players getting paid. I have no problem seeing anyone get paid. And I think at the end of the day, I would expect that Bennett is likely to stay down there. But hey, if you're going to get that money, I'm all for it.

But if I was Sam Bennett, I would almost be thinking like that $10 million price tag, that is going to be like a 150 pound weight on my shoulders. Yeah, I agree with that. I think guys need to like take some consideration. Another reason to stay. There you go. Well, it is for sure. Yeah, 100%.

I'm totally with you. And especially in Toronto. Well, that's, you know, like actually the talk with like Marner and Marner's value, you know, part of the thing is like, certainly someone will give him 14 million, but if he's here and he's making more than Matthews, it does change a lot of perception and how you get talked about and all that sort of stuff.

So today in the athletic area, I read that James Myrtle wrote, "'Ranking the 32 destinations "'of Mitch Marner could go to. Are you kidding me? I'm not kidding you. I'm not gonna ask you to do that because we only have 38 minutes left in this hour.

I gotta tell you, Myrtle and Jonas are like Ruth and Garret with their leaf articles, like how the McDavid plan could work, and oh my God. It's the best. So, can you give us a couple of suggestions here if it's assuming it's not the Toronto Maple Leafs and maybe I'm wrong in doing that no you know what look like um what's the link with Vegas

what was the link with Vegas Elliot you talked about this before on 32 thoughts I think they they thought they talked about a deal last summer, potentially involving Marner. And I think Shea Theodore, and obviously it didn't happen. I think one of the reasons was that I think Vegas preference was to sign Theodore. And I think that at the time Marner was showing no inclination to be traded anywhere, which was his right.

Now, since then, I've had people tell me that that wasn't the only team that Toronto talked with. I haven't been able to narrow down who else it was, but I think Vegas makes a lot of sense. Vegas could use some scoring on the wings. They would have to do some cap gymnastics to do it all. But, you know, I could, Kelly McCrimmon, you know, he goes after good players and Marner is a really good player. I think the team I'll tell you guys, if there's one team right now, everyone's kind of watching and saying, I'm really curious to see what they're going to do.

I know which one. Oh, Utah. I'll give you another one after you're done. Go ahead. Yeah. Utah was the one like teams believe that Utah is determined to introduce themselves to the NHL in a big way and I think I'm curious to see what

Sorry, I gotta get used to calling them mammoth what the mammoth are gonna get up to here I don't think that's gonna stick. I'll give you a team for Mitch Marner. Okay. Okay. Dallas stars. What? They can't score. They can't score. They're losing a ton of Jamie, Ben, and like they've got room and they need someone in the middle between still the Wyatt Johnstons and some of the older players. And that's a great fit. And you know, he, it's, it's a Stanley cup contender. They've got ranting in ranting and needs help as a, as a star kind of second kind of guy. That's that's to me is a fit. No taxes there either, right? I like that call. Good team. People like playing there.

Yeah. Give them the same deal they gave Rand. Yeah. Done. Would that be okay? Would that do it? Sounds like it would. Well, again, Dallas 12 million is like 17 million in Toronto.

The numbers keep getting weird. Hey, I got to ask you the way the way the way we're going. Nick's not wrong with this. I'm only talking about housing. You know, well, well, we're asking about things near and dear to our heart. The New York Islanders have a new GM president, whatever. I am curious to know Lou Lamarrillo's role. Cause it sounds like he's not going to leave the organization. And also he kept on Chris Lamarillo. It sounds like was one of his final acts, his final pardons and Steve Pellegrini. And that is not, I know, I know that that has made people crazy. That happens more than you think.

Is that right? Yeah, Justin, it's kind of a badge of honor for people to, if they get fired, obviously the GMs, those are big paying jobs. Not everybody is secure for life after they have them, but you can make a lot of money being a GM now. And Rob Blake, before he was out in LA he extended a whole bunch of people. So their people they know they could be gone they're gonna

try to do it right by their people have been good to them. Yes like that and and I'll tell you I know that the Islanders fans are upset about that and look Chris Lamarello like someone sent me his record is GM of Bridgeport and it's not very good but Justin I'll say like there's been a lot of GMs over the years. Like it's kind of frowned upon if you have a chance to take care of some people who maybe don't make as much money or aren't as secure and you don't take care of them before you're blown out of a job, particularly if you've done well financially. Yeah. It's really seen as, I know, like, one manager once told me he considered it a real badge of honor

that before he got fired, he extended a whole bunch of people whose lives could have been thrown into chaos. And I respect that, and that's cool, but it's upsetting for fans who want their organization to get a fresh start, and then they're like, let's keep all the people, you know? Anyway. I don't know that that's going to happen, Justin.

I think it's still early to say. I heard in the process that whoever got this job was going to report directly to Scott Malikin. He wasn't going to have to report to Lou Lamarello or anyone else. And at the press conference, that was confirmed that Matthew Darsh reports directly to the owner. Now, if Lou Amorello stays around could he have opinions on things? Yeah, I'm sure he can. But Darsh came out

of nowhere to win that job, Justin. Oh really? Yeah, at the beginning there was no way they were hiring someone with no experience. But Darsh, he won that job. And I just don't see them giving him that job over a bunch of other people. Like they, they interviewed Holland. They interviewed, uh, they want, Holland turned it down though. Yes. Yeah. Holland had the job first. Yes, he did. He turned it down and Jeff Gordon, if he was available, probably would have had the job, but he wasn't available. But you know, Bergerven was there, Kekka Lyon was there and Darce beat all those guys out for the job

So they're gonna give him a chance to do what he wants to do regardless of who he answers to Elliot It is still intimidating to see Lou Lamarillo there and also Below on the bench Patrick wah Wa. Like those are very, very strong opinionated guys. My understanding is he didn't have an option on Patrick Wa either. He had to take them because they owe him a lot of money for the next two years. And they're gonna try to make the playoffs next year.

It might be three, I have to check. Yeah. At least seven and a half to 10 million bucks if it's the third year that you're talking about. Yes. You know, you're right. Like it's a huge job like that. Like one of the reasons I think Ken Holland turned down that job is Ken Holland's a lot closer to winning the Stanley Cup in LA than he is on Long Island right now. And that's a factor. There's no question about that. I don't agree. Anyway.

Well, you think the Islanders are closer to winning the cup than the Kings are? You see the Kings in the first round, they look good to you. They look red hot. And Anjay Kopenar getting better. How about Drew Doughty? Anyway, sorry. Just one more thing, Elliott. Maybe the conversations in general with some players with no moves

And maybe we'll just talk about Morgan Riley who's made it real clear that you know he doesn't want to go here Do you think? Moving forward we'll see more teams Put pressure on guys with these clauses to give them up anyways, what do you think happens with Morgan Riley? I Don't think I'd be surprised if if he would go like one guy who I do think will consider moving his marshes So but it's a very Low amount of teams. I think he would consider going to he's got a no move clause until 2028 But I think he's indicated to them that

there might be a couple of teams he would consider. But I do think, I do think that what happened with the Rangers this year, it isn't something that I think anyone would try to emulate. But I do think that like, like I'll say one thing, like I had an agent telling me today, I have a list of all when my lists are due. And you know, as you imagine any agent would, because I know if I'm a minute late with the list, the guy's going to get no pounce. So I think, I think they're definitely expecting it. Maybe not the same way the Rangers handled it, but when someone opens up a door a little

bit, you take advantage. Chris Crider gonna get traded this summer? One of the names you're hearing? You know what, I think the biggest thing I get on him is is the health. Yeah, people are worried. Yeah, I mean, what does he have, three years left? Yeah, that sounds right. Three years. And the health is the big one. I think the Rangers would like to do it.

Yeah. But. Sorry, two more, Elliot, sorry. Two more? Two more, yeah. The biggest question I heard was health help just how healthy is he? Fair enough. I'll say this I think the guy this summer like I talked about him a little bit today But I think one guy this summer is gonna have a lot of action around him is gonna be Hague from Vegas

Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah on my list Absolutely a great stuff Elliot Is it true that sports that chartered a bus for you to go from Edmonton to Florida? Back and forth, you know, it's funny. Nick is that we we timed it out and we were joking Okay, let's just imagine game two the moment the the game ends, the buzzer sounds. If we jumped on a bus and drove from Edmonton to Florida, the moment game two ended, could we be there by the start of game three, the Oregon trail. So once again, whoever wins game one, you cheer for, right? No, you know what? I I'll

say this. I'm, I'm, I'm not like that's scuttle. I'm not, I am like, I am like, Hey, I expected to go seven. If it doesn't go seven, I'll be pleasantly surprised. That's the way I look at it. Fair enough. We're looking forward to it all. Keep up the great work, pal, and we really appreciate your time today, okay? Thanks a lot, Freach. My pleasure, guys. Take care.

One of the very best on the inside of the National Hockey League, Elliot Friedman. Good stuff. We don't usually take impromptu mail bags, but we got a tweet from a guy named Mike Gunn on Twitter. Oh, yeah. I know, Mike like nobody loves Mitch Marner more than John Cooper wouldn't be surprised if Marner ends up in Tampa Bay That's my dark horse. That's a destination Well, they need a couple of those cheap signings today is like gourd gave up. Yes, that's six years Let me see where Tampa Bay to two million. Oh, what do they give them? That's six years. Let me see where Tampa Bay falls to million. Oh, they give them a little over 2.3

2.3. It's got to be what 30? Well, he's a little older. Yeah, three. Yeah, that's a nice retirement contract gave me if you're thinking about the Tavares Leafs Contract, but I don't know if the aave would be that low but Six years at something like that six years. Yeah yeah then you like listen listen you're doing that you're doing the first of all TANF thing you don't have to I don't I know you don't have to have to I know you don't I'm just saying that if you were going to you could you got a lot of house cleaning to do before you get to Tavares I get it I'm just saying and John here it is. Whatever it is two years Maybe three at the most. Here's the number

Yeah, two or three years and here's the number and Love you to take it. If not, we understand No, no, no, no It's a different beast because this will be this will also be a retirement contract for Tavaris if he stays in Toronto yep, and You got to be careful with them in that case You could see him go in four years because he's 34 and you scored 38 times see him signing a fourth year but would he

Would he not take the three years to go somewhere else to take the fourth? And the answer is no. No. No, he's made a hundred million. He's not chasing the fourth year at four million bucks to move. Maybe he wants to chase a cup. Maybe that last year. I don't even know.

He wants to retire relief. That's his number one. If it's his number one priority above trying to win a cup, then he's going to sign whatever he's basically offered. Not a lot of trade Willie talk, eh? Ever? Like it's always even like the Matthews stuff this year, you started hearing trade Matthews, trade Matthews. I feel like that's 100% flipped because the first four years of his career, it was

exclusively trade Willie. Yeah, that's true And it was always he was the first remember like we did these mock trades Right before before they even played one game And I had Montor and Richie and Nick Richie who was a top-10 pick at the time and was the next Luchich Yeah Who was a top 10 pick at the time and was the next Luchich? Yeah And everybody like once Willie got going you know who else remembers that? Yes, they love to give out Maybe if they had Montor on the blue line the last four or five years Sammy I love Montor be like I love Montor, but he had like one

Rich great Game-time boys I love Montor but he had like one Rich is great Game time boys Struggled game time good play. Yes, it's game time presented by bet three six five visit the athlete's dogs and find out what's ever ordinary Bet three six five must be 19 plus and Terry only please play responsibly Yeah, so there's no sports other than baseball. So I thought I'd look ahead To the series that is starting on Wednesday night. My family went to the Jays game on Saturday Sam. Can you remind us who's playing again? A lot of fun.

I went to that same game. Awesome game. Sat in the outfield, fantastic. It's just like hitting off a pitching machine in the athletic. Baseballs were smashing off of the batters. It was entertaining game so I really enjoyed myself. So there's a bunch of futures on Bet 365 here. And the one I was looking at is players' points in the series.

So they have an over-under number for many of the main principles involved. So for example, Sasha Barkov, his total in this series is five and a half points. And the number, the over is a favorite at minus 130 the under is a underdog at plus 100 I consider that underdog. We should mention Congratulations to mr. Barkov who won the selkie trophy Wow, which was handed out to him by some children at a meeting that they had You know charity thing and he also won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy I'm gonna say well, I don't know. I'm not looking for this is the new thing. Yeah, right I said I'll got hey a vote for selkie first place vote for selkie

I know that means and this is what they want to do now hand it out in certain community areas Yeah And they want to have an award show right to create these moments and this was a kind of a cool The way they did it like they handed the first one and then they wheeled in the second one some kids did and he's like Barkov just says the right things every time he turns around you think on the internet that would that gets enough attention like that's the new way to kind of also present here because I didn't know I didn't know this happened today I need notifications on that we knew clearly that it had happened

But I don't I don't ask me but I don't care because the award show was so bad and So to me painful. This is the ultimate could have been an email. Just email me tell me who won It's good enough attention. It's good for me Attention before the game. How about that? I'm the wrong guy. Yeah, that's what they do in the NBA.

Do they? With MVP. Just quick note before we drop the puck, let's bark off Selkie. Woo! And the last one I'll bring up is Carter, Carter McDavid, his total is eight and a half, and he is minus 130 to score over eight and a half points.

Imagine being so good at hockey that you are favored to score over eight and a half points in the Stanley Cup final buddy last year everyone's talking about how much they shut him down he had 12 points in the series in the most meaningful games they shut him down games where he was quiet anyways games five and four he had eight points that was game time presented by bet three six five visit the app for the stars and find out why it's never ordinary at bet 365 must be 19 plus Ontario only please play responsibly Okay, let's take a quick break and then when we return I've got a trade board going up. Oh, yeah Well, we need to grab a couple of names. Don't waste all tomorrow's content man.

All right some trade names when we return to Real Kipper and Born. covered on all things Leafs, Raptors and Blue Jays every weekday morning, six to nine. It's the fan morning show sportsnet 590 the fan and wherever you get your podcasts. This hour real Kipper and born brought to you by bet three, six, five, Nick Kiprio's, Justin born Sammy McKee. Just before the break, I mentioned a trade board coming out on sportsnet.ca. So few names out there that we're going to keep an eye on from here on in. The one that I probably think that is almost imminent for the Minnesota Wild is Rossi I do yeah 60-point guy and

Austrian sorry Austrian I do think so. Yeah, I do 60-point guy now That you'd think young. Yes young But you would think Minnesota would be all over this player is one of our pieces here, but that's not the sense that you had during the season where at times his minutes were questioned. He was on maybe a fourth line on many occasions. And I get the sense that Billy Garren or maybe the rest of the staff or the coaching staff

just not they're not sure what to make out of him. And whether or not you want to treat him as one of those up and coming like star 60, 80 point guys where you lock him in for seven or eight years at seven million dollars, that's not happening there. This guy is the most penguin of all time. Yeah, Kane too, but penguin probably more than anything by low on a yeah five foot nine guy with huge upside He's not yeah exactly. He's not big Billy Garen

I think likes his players as big as he can get them is you know great year right 24 goals played all 82 games Yeah, 15 15 per night 60 points you could see that value to someone. But I could also see a team being like, I'm watching the Stanley Cup final. And if you're five foot nine, you better be Patrick Kane. Yeah, yeah. Or something to that effect. I mean, the thing is, you mentioned those long contracts that they give all these RFAs coming out of these, you know, when they have good years and their high picks It just feels like all these agents probably now are just pushing for the eight-year thing because it feels like a lot of them Get it

No, like I like you would imagine that Rossi's agent whoever it is is probably pushing to get the eight-year deal and he's like Garen doesn't want to do it. So it is crazy though. Cuz like, you know view of back I'm looking at his stats. So this year 60 points in 82 games year before 40 points in 82 games year before that he's playing for the Iowa Wild you know like he's only been in the league two years so you could see him having more upside. You're hedging for sure there is a possible offer sheet threat based on, I think, the success of the St. Louis Blues last year on Edmonton. There is a thought that someone could come in

and offer them the max number on a return of a first round pick and a third round pick, which would be 6.8 million. But if you're Billy Garren, you'd take the first and third all day long, wouldn't you? Oh God, I'd hate giving up a 60 point guy and then going back into the system and waiting three or four years for the next 60 point guy.

They're trying to be good now, the wild, they don't suck. They're trying to be good, so you're right, you're right. The wild are in a tough spot, but they finally have money freed up. But Kaprizov, Ericsson Ek, Boldy is the top line, is good, good. Yes, and Boldy was another guy that got the seven. Your fave, you love Boldy.

Put me on that team, I love Boldy. Boldy's a player, man. Yeah, Elliot Friedman mentioned the name. Nick Hague, Vegas has made huge financial commitments to Petrangelo who's got a few years left Noah Hanifin and most recently Theodore here is there even room for Nick Hague 26-year-old RFA right now 26 year old RFA who is a monster six six 240 buddy

This is a this is at home It kind of is I don't you don't think that's funny except he's more prone to punch you in the face He'll fight you he he doesn't necessarily have much offense in him Which probably doesn't push him up towards no off. He has no offense so to me Hague doesn't get to seven or eight million, but he can get to five and a half six. What would concern me is that he plays 17 minutes a night. And you know who that is. If you look at the Leafs, it's Benoit. It's you know, those type of players. I think he's

has upside beyond that. But I mean, a lot of teams lining up to get a six foot six man walk Toronto should be one Well, I would agree except who is going to do the the breaking the puck out scoring puck handling They got a bunch of trees. Well, they're also looking for yeah, you're right another puck handling Yeah defenseman, which brings us to Morgan Riley Everyone I don't I don't believe that for one second. Oh, you don't I that's the first time I heard that out of anyone's mouth every time I bring it up people like no, I think it's like well I think those they might I think like yeah, I think if you're the Leafs right now you

It it doesn't really matter if it doesn't work, that something needs to be done. I honestly believe that, that whether you have a no move or not, if it looks like it's not going anywhere or there's not a mutual feel between two parties, in this case Morgan and the Leafs that were on the same page, then Morgan should consider lifting his no move. Why would you wanna stay somewhere where you're not really welcomed? Or have a future of someone believing in you

that you are part of the solution, not part of the problem? I just think the problem is that he's not a problem, right? Like, well, and that's fine to think that he is, but like- Sammy, what, speak. But nobody- No, just I I I do think he's as much as I love the guy his whole career but I think the last couple years he's been as much of the part of the problem as anybody else that problem but I mean like he can justify roughly his salary people like oh sure he's a I'm so with you sure Sure. Listen, I believe he's legit number three at the most on any team, including a contending one.

With the cap going up, that cap hit looks more like that. He can play 20 minutes on any team at any time. They're not underwater on his contract, I think is what I mean. And they're not underwater. But if whatever the chemistry between him and the team and others with him, it's just ain't working. It's not working and we're gonna have to change something up and you know, give us a list.

Yeah, I would be very, I'm interested to see if the Leafs do something they haven't had the chutzpah to do in other places. Morgan can come alive something they haven't had the chutzpah to do and other Morgan can come alive with another team I think Seth Jones showed a lot of guys that if the environment isn't right the chemistry isn't right doesn't mean you're no longer good it means that you just you can thrive somewhere else again yeah and Morgan's not thriving here. No. To put you guys on the spot a little bit. If you're looking around the NHL, what are the teams that you're looking at and saying in the next four or five years, like, so you're looking for the next Seth

Jones spot where you plug into and you're like, that's a solid team. They know how to win. They're going to be good. That's a winning team. You know What teams are those when you look out there like Vegas that people are talking about with Marner? I think Vegas is going the wrong way. I you know, they've spent a lot and they're older now They're older now. They spent a lot to get where they are I don't you know, they don't have any that series that series against Edmonton was pretty telling they're not right there I think you know I call I has hit his ceiling like any that's just my two cents They don't have any first set of things. That series against Edmonton was pretty telling. They're not right there. I think Eichel has hit his ceiling. Anyway, that's just my two cents.

Dallas could be one for sure. But then earlier in the show, you said, how do you really know? How do you know? No, no, that's what I'm saying. How do you know? But if you're sitting here, people are trying to guess. Yes.

And Colorado, what? Is our show over already? We're just getting into some good conversations. Kipper, you're watching videos over there. What are you watching? I don't know why my volume just keeps popping up. It's over! Who's on the come up? Utah? Utah's on the come up?

Yeah, we're done. Get us more time. Ottawa? Oh, yeah. Sharkies are gonna be coming up pretty soon. They got that Sam Dickinson played for London. Stud D, man. NHL ready, I read. He's really good.

Really. Here's the good news. We get to do an extension tomorrow. The exact same show tomorrow. Tune in at 3. As we slowly do the army crawl towards the Stanley Cup final, game one, Wednesday night. In the meantime, we thank Elliot Friedman for joining us today.

Enjoy another night off in the National Hockey League.