Real Kyper & Bourne - Oil Leak in Edmonton

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start the second hour with executive and former NHL coach & player, Craig MacTavish, who shares why the reaction around the league to the Oilers' slow start has been overblown, the pressure on Connor McDavid and on the team to show up now that he's been sidelined, their goalie controversy and Evander Kane's frustration showing on and off the ice. Later, a look at the Flames' early season struggles,  whether or not the Red Wings can fight for a playoff spot this year and revisiting how regular season games should end (30:40).The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

real kipper and boring goes national on sports net and sports net 650 in vancouver and 960 in calgary nick kiprios justin bourne sammy mckee and always remember, this hour of Real Kipper and Born brought to you by Bet365. I just went over there and looked at your lineup. That is a... It's wild. I'm a professional host. It's a beautiful mind.

It's that whole, like, there's a lot going on. What's going on there? Listen, it was never my idea to host this show, ever. Okay? I don't know how I got buffaloed into this. It's like... Listen, whatever works, man. You're doing great this it's like listen whatever works man you're doing great it's like some blair witch draw some blair witch i'm ready i can pass this torch as quick

as can be i don't want no way no no i'm clean i'm clean all right listen as bad as i think sometimes it gets for me hosting this show i don't think it's as bad as uh the edmonton fans are feeling right now there seems to be some trouble in oil county so we're going to bring in craig mctavish former nhler head coach general manager he's done it all in the national hockey league and uh including winning a stanley cup fortunate enough to have him beside me pretty cool all right, how are you, pal? Good. Kipper. Justin, good to join you guys. Appreciate it.

All right. So I take it maybe from the sunshine I see coming through the window, you're not in Alberta right now. Is that a good thing? You always were very observant, Kipper. Southern California, the beautiful Vista Valley Golf and Country Club country club hey craig good to talk to you guys as as a player or behind the bench you've had a few slow starts in your day um you know even even the years that you're supposed to compete for a stanley cup it's is it way too early for for Oiler fans to be somewhat in a panic mode here?

I think so. I think this is a 100-plus point team all day long. And, you know, from my perspective, it's kind of a laughable overreaction in Edmonton. But, I mean, that's the environment that is the Edmonton Oilers currently. I mean, and a lot of it, in my opinion, is brought about by the media. Now, if I criticize the media, I can do that now because I'm a member of the media, a so-called member of the media. And, you know, in Edmonton, there is a real tendency from the longstanding media to attach to the most negative

perspective in a situation. And, you know, I think that's part of it here. I think this team is way too early to panic. This team has proven over the last couple of years that they're worthy and deserving of our support as Edmonton Oiler fans and I'm sure our main fan base feels the same way but it just bothers me that the players continually have to answer these questions when things inevitably during the course of the season go wrong. I mean, it's unfortunate that it's the start of the year here for Edmonton Oiler fans

with all the hype going into the season. I still think all that hype's well-founded, but it's difficult for me to see the pressure a lot of these players are under. And playing in New York with you, I mean, you have some solace and some anonymity there, but in Edmonton, you just don't. And I think it's a different, people describe it at times as a fishbowl, and that can be good and bad.

But it's troubling for me to see the players, especially the star players, have to continually answer these questions. Yeah, and it is crazy. Even great teams over the course of a season will have five game segments where they go one three and one hardly feels like a crisis but for these leaders in edmonton whether it be the players or coaches what would you want to see at this point is it mcdavid and dry side will have to stand up in

the dressing room or a coach who has to do something or is it just simply play enough hockey to get back to right when you believe you're like what are the next steps internally for a team in getting things back on track i i think it's just continuity of messaging and that comes from the top all the way through uh we're fortunate enough to be managed by kenny holland who has an incredible amount of experience and is not his first rodeo going through this. And now we have Jeff Jackson, who's a super competent hockey guy, and he's going to come in and lend a great perspective.

What is leadership, really? Leadership is being able to provide the best perspective in times of turmoil. And I'm confident in the Oilers' management and their leadership and Keith Gretzky and Bill Scott that these guys will have a consistent message that flows down to the coaching staff that gives the coaching staff the confidence to eliminate a lot of the white noise and the outside noise that's created uh all too often by the edmonton media and uh they can have a consistent calm messaging uh to the players to get them to relax now we've had a lot of players that are off to pretty mediocre starts or poor starts, but, I mean, there's a lot of injuries.

You know, Matthias Ekholm's coming off a long-term injury. Connor Brown, who you guys have seen a lot in Toronto. This guy's a good hockey player, but he's missed a year. It's going to take time. Kane, too, as well, is coming off an injury. And sometimes early on in the season, and it's happened to me before as a player, is you forget how difficult it is to have success

and how hard you have to work to have not only individual success, but team success. And I've always said that the productivity is all in the last 5% of effort. And sometimes you have to struggle, and there's no greater motivator for development and improvement than adversity and struggle. So I think, I mean mean this is a good hockey team there's no question about that and it's an overreaction in my mind we're talking to craig

mctavish former nhler head coach general manager stanley cup champion you know we talked you talked a little bit about uh uh you know the pressure maybe McDavid is feeling. You know, you've been under a rock. He did not finish the game Saturday night late in the third or playing any overtime. The feeling is he's got some muscular issues, maybe pulling something. Mac, I'm just wondering now, you know, when you, the sense I've gotten from the moment the Oilers were eliminated last season that this guy really went to next level stuff to put, at times, for me personally,

like the weight of the world on his shoulders to come through for this team. And I'm just wondering if there's any comparison at all to the pressures that Wayne Gretzky or Messier or other star players have felt. Is it exactly the same? Does it feel different? Does it even feel more for Connor than even some of the stars that we were accustomed to being around?

Well, the iconic players, as you know, they always find a way to win. And I have no doubt that Connor McDavid's name is going to be on that Stanley Cup multiple times over the course of his career. But when you bring up the pressure and the individual pressure, I could correlate it to our experience in New York with Mark. I mean, Mark had a lot of pressure to bring a Stanley Cup to New York. Connor's got some internal pressure and some external pressure as well. He's driven internally, Connor, for sure. He's a very serious athlete.

He wants to win. He's extremely driven and uh i mean just the way that he played to start the season more physically and really you know the evolution of his leadership and how he impacts the rest of the group visually from uh doing things outside his normal skill set, taking the body, getting in altercations with the opposition, showing a real seriousness. So I think, you know, being driven like that is healthy for Connor. I mean, he hates to talk about himself. I love when the journalists ask him and prod him to try and speak positively

and glowingly about himself. He just, I mean, he'd rather fight the journalists than answer the question. But I mean, this guy is really developing into an unbelievable leader. And yeah, it's going to hurt having him out out but there could be some long-term residual benefit from other players sharing in the short term some of those responsibilities I mean productivity is the byproduct of talent and opportunity and you have to have both of those things to produce and these guys on the Edmonton Oilers are so productive that it's hard for the coaching staff or any sane guy to get away from calling their numbers out on the bench. But at the same time, it reduces the number of opportunities for the guys that you're looking for depth scoring.

So it's a little bit of a catch-22 situation but I think long term we'll see Nugent Hopkins stepping up last time when Connor went down Leon Dreisaitl really carried the team he's got that capability he's a former MVP of the league and led the league in scoring that year. So there's, I mean, they may not win in Minnesota, but this team's going to get on a roll and you're seldom as bad as you are during the weakest parts of your season or as good as you are during your best parts. We just have to support this team internally and from a fan base too,

because they're deserving of it. You know, their goaltenders numbers are not pretty in large part to a rough couple of games. The past three have not been as bad, but right now, you know, it's kind of unclear about what's going to happen with their two goaltenders this season. How would you handle these two guys, Jack Campbell with the longer, you know,

the long contract and Stu Skinner? You know, both guys that seem to have a lot of potential potential but neither one's really taken the reign so far this season well you have to let them decide that for the coaching staff in the organization i think you're right it's up in the air right now i mean the default number one guy for me is skinner based on how he played last year. Campbell went through the preseason, played very well. He's had some good games so far this year. The first one, I mean, it was just an epic failure against Vancouver from a lot of fronts, so you can't really blame Campbell there. Then he bounced back with a fantastic game in Nashville.

But, I mean, it's clear that neither one of these guys has failed, nor have they stepped up and assumed the number one de facto starting role. Hey, Craig, Saturday, Evander Kane expressed his frustration, I think, with his ice time. I think he ended up having the least amount of ice time since being an Edmonton Oiler, and he ended up in a fight with Dylan. And I think on Hockey Night in Canada, he mentioned,

hey, listen, if I'm not going to play much, I might as well fight. And a lot of people took that as maybe a message or a shot at his head coach jay woodcroft how did you interpret that whole scenario oh just complete white noise as a coach i mean players they want to play you want players that want to be out there he wants to contribute um as a coach are you going to keep everybody happy absolutely not um he's he's had a slower start i mean i still believe in the player i love the fact he went out there and got in the fight i mean that's that's that's one of the things i like a lot about evander kane is the physical presence that he brings and I mean there's less

intimidation in the game as you know uh for sure than there was when uh when we played but at the same time toughness and physical play is is important and you look at Vegas and the size and the way that they competed last year to win the Cup and beat the Oilers. I mean, you need players like Evander Kane. And, I mean, he's got a lot of scrutiny on him right now. He was frustrated, but I think he channeled the frustration the right way. And in listening to Jay's comments, I mean, he wasn't falling into it. And the media, they get in there and they try and create a wedge between the player

and the coach as best they can to further disrupt what's going on now. And I just thought it was handled very well and very appropriately by Evander and by Jay. So, Mac, as a team, you can only handle, you know, what's within your own control. I want to get your thoughts on the Pacific Division and the West in general. You know, what is happening around Edmonton? Obviously, Vegas is good, but Canucks off to a good start.

Flames seem better. You know, the Kings are there. What are your thoughts on this Pacific Division becoming, I think, one of the better divisions? Well, there's a lot of depth there now. I mean, as you mentioned, Vancouver's off to a great start. They've got a lot of talent. They're energized.

And the problem with, you know, there are no real easy games early on in the season because the bad teams don't know that they're bad yet. And there's enthusiasm coming through. So true. Trading camp. But over the course of 15 or 20 games, trends start to become realities.

And the weaker teams start to understand that they're weaker and they lose their belief and their compete goes down you look like you look at a team like Philadelphia the Oilers played a couple games ago I mean they're playing hard I saw them play against Vancouver the night before they played Edmonton and that team was playing really hard and I thought Edmonton might have a difficult time going into Philadelphia but I mean until you get 15 or 20 games into the season there there aren't any weak games on the schedule hey Mac terrific stuff man really appreciate your time and we're gonna have to do this again real soon. Thanks for doing this.

Pleasure, you guys. Thanks, Kipper. Thanks, Mac. Enjoy the golf. Craig McTavish. Just golfing in San Diego. Real good hockey mind, though. Yes, he has been.

Talk about a life in hockey. Yeah. The first hockey game I ever went to was in Florida. I went to a Tampa Bay Lightning game. And I don't know who Craig would have been playing for at that time. Maybe the Flyers. I was a kid. And I remember just being blown away that he wasn't wearing a helmet.

I was like, why? I remember like asking my dad over and over. I'm like, but why is he allowed to not? And everybody else. He was like, he wasn't wearing a helmet. It was like early 90s. My dad, one year in like 86, one year of his career,

he was like, I'm not going to do a helmet this year. Just a random year in the middle of his 14-year career. Not wearing a helmet is the most insane thing ever. Yeah. Like looking back on that,

how is that allowed? I'm a junior wearing an iTech down to my chin. One thing I agreed with him is that I think, I don't think it's going to be as bad as some people think if if connor's out for two weeks for maybe some other guys look around and it has to be that way to come from us right it has to be where yeah it has to be a feel that he's not here we don't't just resort to Connor getting it done

or finding a way to score a magical goal. We're going to have to do this by committee. We're going to have to. The attention to detail has to go way up. Like the Leafs without Riley last year when they just get smoking hot. There is a tendency to lose. Mack Hollowell playing in your.

There's a tendency to lose really important people and then change your outlook on and your approach that can actually have a positive effect on your team and i think the oilers might be in that that situation did you want to hear the cane clip i do yes yeah let's go about it i haven't actually heard it nope sorry darren yeah i didn't uh didn't play much in the reverse period, so I thought I might as well get into a fight and take seven or eight minutes in the box. For the record, that was my philosophy my whole career.

Okay? Yeah. I get it. I get it. And that's fine logic. The only thing is I've never said that on TV or to a reporter. Didn't play much in the reverse period, so I thought I'd fight. And just sitting there for seven or eight minutes. Especially more than ever, where fighting isn't as obvious as when I played,

that you have to have more of a reason to do it. But I didn't. I mean, it was a spirited fight. Dylan's a tough guy. He is. Those guys kicking off their buckets. It's like, oh, God, please don't fall wrong. He's getting old.

I am soft. Should have been an emotional situation for the Oilers to draw from it. At the end of the day, did he call out his coach? Yeah, there's probably a message there. But maybe not consciously. Maybe he's just like, maybe that's what's going on in his head. Craig's been a head coach, right, for a very long time. A player says, I want to play more.

Okay, that's a surprise to you, even if it is publicly. I don't think he embarrassed Jay. No, but he did not put the spotlight on Jay, which in itself is being, you're in his face a little bit about it. Whatever the direct word for that is. In a team that's desperate for secondary guys, and you're getting paid a lot of money to be sort of a support guy

to the big boys there, he's got one assist in five games. Five games, no goals, one assist, minus six. Connor Brown, five games, zeros across the board, minus four. You know, a guy like Evan Bouchard, minus six. Connor Brown, five games, zeros across the board, minus four. You know, a guy like Evan Bouchard, minus five. I watched that game against the Jets on Saturday night. Yeah. The high and low end of plus minus. Matters.

Matters. You don't want to be minus 33. The Masters. You don't want to win the Masters. Be the lowest. But no, I just, they're, I don't know. Something about them seems off. Maybe it was the Ekholms not at full strength yet or their goaltending.

But they just didn't, I don't know, seem like the same oilers as last year and i'm concerned about connor mcdavid connor mcdavid yeah that's that he's got like a like it's worse i think it is i don't know if it's worse or not but i just think that if he got hit he twisted his knee. That's one thing. This is an injury that just kind of popped up. Popped up. Yeah. Right? Non-contact. Non-contact.

And this is a guy that has put the weight of the world on his shoulder to deliver Edmonton Oilers, Stanley Cup. Jesus. The Stanley Cup. And he has been Mach 3 from June. He doesn't stop. Doesn't stop. Of 2016.

Well, since he's in Erie, he's been Mach. And, you know, he trains here in the area, and you hear how hard he's training. You hear how serious he is. This guy will be shooting pucks in his garage. Like, he goes. He goes, he goes, he goes. And he's like a guitar string that's incredibly tight.

I mean, these things. Wow, Kip. I'm telling you. What do you mean? I'm telling you. That he you mean? I'm telling you. He's driven too hard? Maybe, yeah. Maybe. He needs that Phil Kesselhoff season.

Maybe. I'm not telling him to order like, you know, 12 hot dogs. But I just think he's mentally and physically he's wound up. Hmm. And what did he do? Bleak.

People were the Zapruters of him going to the bench. They were lip reading and they said maybe he tore something. This guy's like a fine-tuned Ferrari, man. And you know what happens when something goes out.

Alright, listen. No, it's just me talking. I know. It's a talk radio show. I just think that this guy wants it so badly that he just, it's hard to be that fine-tuned for that long stretch. The body needs recovering. it needs to relax a little bit i yeah and you know what they may just say to him all right you're ready medical he's ready

okay two extra weeks you know like they may just want to protect him like don't even think about the outdoor game oh don't even think boy next think next week that he's in that outdoor game. Is it 28th? Is that right? Five days from now? When is it? I'm looking at it right now. I think it's the 28th. Didn't even occur to me. I bet you he plays. Okay, I'm telling you right now, I'm calling out the Edmonton

Oilers and the National Hockey League. Sorry, it's the 29th Sunday. Oh, another bonus day. If you put pressure on him to play that game. Okay. I don't think he... He doesn't need external pressure. That would be one of the most selfish things.

This is the face of the franchise. Trying to present the face to a bajillion people. You want to go out there next week. These outdoor games are just such a hit to everybody. And make it worse. The locals. Whatever's going on, you're going to give it six days, seven days,

and you're going to parade him out on ice that you don't know how it's going to be? I bet he warms up then. I bet. They've got to have him involved. They've sold these tickets with the idea that it's the big Canadian matchup here. Who cares? I'd rather you give them their money back than parade him out there if he's not 100%.

I know your point. That's an asset for the organization and the NHL at large. So, you know, we talked to McTavish there, and he seems like they're a team that he thinks are going to pull out of it. He thinks they're still a good team. I'll ask you, too, that same question. Are you confident that they're going to pull out of this

and being the same old Oilers that they've been the past couple years? So I'm looking at the roster as we've been doing this show, and a lot of things have to break right for really good teams. And I don't know what Derek Ryan or Adam Ernie or, you know, if Connor Brown isn't the guy we thought he is. Janmark, they're a little bit soft down the lineup in terms of depth as well. So, yeah, you get a superstar hurt and i still think

max right hundred point team but maybe not a president's trophy team which i think a lot of people had foreseen for them which is fine they need to get in you heard coupe on our show being like we just want a ticket to the dance we don't care if we're the headliner we just want to be there the oilers yeah and i'm a big connor brown fan i love connor brown i liked him before he got hurt in washington and craig's right it's just it may take him some time he is he's the max domi of the oilers right now and a fair point too that you know um that evander kane had missed time last year brown had missed time so you know but ekholm is going to work his way back like it give these guys some time.

Yes. Try not to do the early season overreactions because still so many good players in Edmonton. Yeah. They should be just fine. Do you want to do some game time? Yeah, let's go. All right. Let me get my read here.

It's game time presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at Bet365. Must be 19 plus, Ontario only. Please pay responsibly. So I was thinking about the Hart trophy odds because McDavid gets injured. Ooh.

Yeah, remember we said that was the... Yeah. Okay, go ahead. Well, no, because I was looking at the... Because what's the trophy called for the most points? Art Ross. Art Ross. It's not posted right now on Bet365,

so they're probably figuring out what to do with that. Smashing Jack Hughes. He is the second favorite now for the heart. Wow. For the heart. McDavid is still plus 175 for the heart trophy. So they think that he's going to come back and he's still going to be the same old guy

and he's just going to dominate. That's a heavy favorite. But Jack Hughes has skyrocketed up to 550. Matthew's up plus 600. And the one that's interesting to me, narrative-wise, because he just mentioned it there with McDavid going out and how Dreisaitl elevates his game, he's up to 12-1 now for MVP,

which I think may be some decent value. While we're doing narrative, can we get Nathan McKinnon a Hart Trophy? This guy's finished second, I think, three separate times. He's a fourth favorite. 10-1. We had a conversation last week about Jack Hughes and Austin Matthews.

Who's better? Who had that combo? We did. We did? We did, yeah. Remember when we did the rankings? I brought up that Jack Hughes was, and he's like, he agreed with it. And I got a lot of messages saying, Hughes is better. No, you didn't. I did. You got a lot of, you had a selective memory.

You missed a lot. No, no, after that, people are still saying. So Lindy has your number is what you're saying? Yeah. I was going to say. You're saying. Hey, old Tommy Fitzgerald is texting it. Can Austin win the heart with 96 goals and zero assists oh my

god i might do it i think that would do it i think so he hasn't scored since the third of the year so who else is on is there a top five yeah i i gave them to you there i'll just quickly bring them back up. But yeah. Kachuk? Kachuk's a little lower down, but Dreisaitl rounds up the top five at 12-1. Elias Pettersson?

Yeah. You like him? What's his number? No. No. No D? No. No D in there.

Ds don't exist. Do you see the stuff coming out of Vancouver? They're loving Quinn Hughes' start. Quinn Hughes, if Vancouver finds a way to make the playoffs. Quinn and Jack up for the award at the end of the year. Wouldn't you love that? Top five is Connor, Jack Hughes, Matthews, Nathan McKinnon, and Leon Dreisaitl.

Just outside of that is Pasternak, who's tied with Dreisaitl. Then Kachok, 16-1. Kapril Kaprizov, Kucherov, Elias Pettersson. Kale McCarr is the first defenseman at 28-1. Kale McCarr, 28-1. Do not hate that. I mean, I don't think it's... Is the first defenseman at 28-1. Kael McCarr, 28-1. Do not hate that. I mean, I don't think it's... Is it a defenseman award?

When's the last time a defenseman won? Well, but I think that increases the narrative. Like, if he scores 90 points or something, and he's Kael McCarr... I'm trying to think of the last D-man that won the Hart. I can't remember. Oh, quick. Talk amongst yourselves.

Not much of a D-man award. Well, the talk is... Why don't we get to break? Hold on. Okay. I'm just going to quickly bring up the list of Hart Trophy winners. Yeah, there hasn't been a defenseman in a while. Carey Price was a goalie that won in 2015. But, yeah, I think Pronger was the last guy that did it.

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come back and we'll uh we'll give some uh some love i think uh to the red wings yeah the justin hall hour to brink it and uh my beef with the ottawa senators a little bit who's got a beef i got a beef we I got a beef. We've been agreeing too much today. I'd like to argue with you. And Calgary. We got to talk Calgary. Flames. Yeah.

And that's tied into the brink in Detroit because they did not fare well. I get it that it's the end of a road trip. Calgary might stink. Really. Calgary might stink. Not a great effort. I disagree. Let's fight.

By the Flames. So that little Boston Bruin talk as well. Gotta give them some love at 5-0. Plenty more still on the real. You guys, I'm on the host. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I can't talk over him when he's doing his segment. I want the same

courtesy. I'd like to formally apologize. Thank you. Accepted. More real Kipper and Bourne after the break. Breaking down the top stories in the NHL every day. The Jeff Maris Show. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Back on the Real Kipper and Bourne Show. We'll be right back. hockey games yeah it's the every team in the league yeah it's the the frenzy thing for yes like to do like the red zone thing yeah so starts as early as uh six leaps in washington and then every 15 minutes yeah that's awesome love it could use more than buffalo montreal tonight but i like the idea yesterday the detroit red wings playoff baseball maintained a very hot pace. Like, okay, I mean, I get it. It's early and all, but kind of impressive watching them. And more impressive is the brinket. You just gave me homework and I just watched that goal. Three goals and an assist did not fare well for Calgary. And, you know, between Calgary and Vancouver, I think a lot of Canadians would love to see them in the playoffs.

Yeah. They're both French teams. We're at the point with Stanley Cups in Canada. We'll take whatever we can get. Disagree. But continue. No. I've said it a million times.

The only way I want to back in Canada is down Yonge Street. Okay. All right. All right. Sorry for the rest of country listening, but I am who I am. But last night, there was no indication that Calgary

is going to be a team that can push really hard because I saw a lot of the inconsistencies that they dealt with last year. It's funny, you know, this is years now of me betting on this Flames team. If

my family has to sell their home because of gambling debts, it's going to be strictly because of the Flames. I think they're good. And I've just been proven wrong again and again. Here's my thing. I always talk about Seattle as a team that lacks the elite playmaking guys or difference makers.

And I should probably do it for the Flames. Hubert O is a guy that I had elite playmaking guys or difference makers and i should probably do it for the flame huberto is a guy that i had considered one of the best offensive players in the nhl and talking to you today i don't know where do you think he ranks among the top elite guys like he's not top five he's not top 10 is he top 15 is he top, well, I mean, here's his biggest problem, is he had a career year in Florida that he'll never get near ever again at, what, 115 points. I mean, it was a hell of a year. But is he a 90-point guy then? 25 less points than that?

I think if he's up around a point a game, I think he's okay. He's okay. For nine and a half? But I'm watching yesterday's game, and it's 3- for nine and a half but i'm watching yesterday's game and it's three one and you think they might be in it and then there's a a bit of an odd man rush yeah is that the one you have on your video yep tell me how many strides hubro has on a back check from center ice to come back and help because i didn't zero i didn't. He glides his feet from center ice until the puck's in the net. That's not a joke, by the way.

No, no, no. The answer is zero. Literally, no strides. And my first thought is that it doesn't matter if Daryl Sutter's behind the bench or not. It's going to be a long year again for you if if that's that's the effort what's hard too is you're important like you're not you were brought in okay we lost matthew kachuk you're the superstar now we need you to kind of drive the bus a little bit goudreau's gone you're the guy and that's i i

see your point that that's not the guy behavior all time trade by Bill Zito to get Matthew Kachuk but like you know but you know what I said the team knows first like they would have known with Huberto there was frustration the year they lost to Tampa in four straight right and they were like they didn't feel like they got the juice out of a guy like him and he's at 10-5

10-5 or was it 9-5 can you check I think he's at 10-5 which correct? 10-5 or was it 9-5? Can you check? Yeah. I think he's at 10-5, which, again, I get the sense of urgency coming off of losing. 10-5. Jonathan Goudreau and then Kachuk. I get that. 10-5 until 2031.

But that's, to me, that was a million and a half overpaid just to reassure. Well, you think you're going to pay a guy who just scored 115 points less than 10 and a half. I don't know. I don't know how many teams would have been prepared to, to pay him over 9 million. Oh,

come on. As a winger. You're talking kneeling at 90 points being an 11 million. One big year, one big year one big year you think he overpaid i think once you trade for him you have to sign him and i just but not at all costs but not at all costs that was at all costs but i do think it's at all costs because if you lose kachuk and then lose the guy you traded for what are you you're left there holding the bag their pockets out like i think it's i think he'll never live up to that contract and it's going to

be really hard moving forward for him to to to feel great about his situation in calgary with that that contract hanging over his head do you guys know how old he is he's i think he's like maybe 29 30 yeah so so here yeah his stats by year he had a 90 point year and in 2018 19 then 78 61 115 55 so that 115 is a pretty big blip all right so 85 assists yeah that's that's a monster big number 30 goals and 85 yeah it was a monster there's your 10 and a half yeah yeah you know like a guy has 85 assists i would consider he couldn't have timed it any better oh my god mashed out by a truck we talked about connor mcdavid probably not seeing him in the outdoor game next week erasmus anderson is fighting hard to get his suspension lowered.

My understanding was that they went into a call about an hour ago on the appeal by the Calgary Flames and Rasmus, but I don't like his chances. No. What did you think of that suspension? I feel like that's a lot of games. It is a lot of games, but it's a lot of Anderson doing something a lot of games but it's a lot of anderson doing something really stupid yeah it was pretty dumb i the charge to me

it was it was so obviously like the motive is there you're losing you're frustrated a chance to light a guy in a vulnerable spot up like there's no chance this thing gets lowered so he can play in an outdoor game. Not a chance. Not a snowball chance. What if it was Connor McDavid? Or is there another player? Am I in the Andrew fall for thinking that's way too much? Just compared to other hits we see, it feels

a lot. It's kind of like I'm just re-watching it because I saw it. I'm re-watching it now. It's a bad hit. It's a bad hit. It's a game or two. Four games. Well, the problem is people are used to one or two games. He must have thought he was, was he wearing a leaf sweater? Is that why they gave him four games? They just, they just thought fans think that it's a one or two game, but you know what

it reminded me of? Shifley. On and Jake Evans? Yes. No. I think. No. Are you kidding me? He destroys a vulnerable Evans full length skating. Henderson gave a pretty

good shot to Patrick Liney. The puck is on his stick a moment before. He was standing at the center. It's a different look, but it's a healthy run at a guy, Sammy. Okay? It's a healthy run. I get it. It's it. It doesn't mirror, but it's still situational.

Yeah, I mean... You didn't have to. You just didn't have to. And I also think that as the league, and you're trying to get predatory hits out of the game, you'd rather err on the side of the early ones in the season of saying to the rest of the guys, we're doing this guys

so you're right kip i can't see anything like okay he was hurt yeah it's a headshot where guys hurt yeah a lot of these are one or two games are headshots but the guy isn't hurt hey it's a it's a factor i so i worked that game with carolyn cameron so i watched it very closely this patrick line a fellas he's having a tough time yeah he's having a tough time he's just beating himself up he can't do anything right there is a a confidence uh issue going there too he's on a two-on-one two-on-one and he's got the puck in the middle of the ice he pulls it to his backhand and then passes it through traffic you know instead of just patrick, you're supposed to score.

Got the longest stick and the hardest shot in the league. He's got a really, really good shot. He is struggling in Columbus. We didn't kind of finish the Detroit thing. Real or not real start from the Flames? Rhymer ain't getting it done. We know that. That second goal?

Yeah. I'd be mad at my beer league goal. They looked really fast. That's right. Yes. What was the line that you really liked Larkin? Raymond, Debrinkit, and Larkin. And they're just jumping off the page.

They seem like they have chemistry. The goal. They're near the tops in like possession as a line. The goal that Larkin scores off the pass from cross ice, tape to tape, short side, bar down by Larkin is filthy. And they're just flying. They're fast. They're young.

Go watch Vladar there. Okay. As he's trying to go post to post, he's already down on two knees. Okay. I'm no goalie expert. And he's huge. But it's just stupid to take yourself and chop yourself in half and give up everything upstairs. Reverse H, I don't know what they're helping.

Reverse VH. VH? Why? So we're going back to crapping on the flames here. Let's stick on the Red Wings. Do you think they're good? You believe this? Because I do.

I don't. I do. I don't think, I'd like to clarify that good is, you know, they're substantially better than last year. They're going to be in the mix. They're a playoff team for me. Oh, I just don't think so. Look at the bottom of the East, man.

There's not many good teams. You're just really quick, eh? What's that, Sam? Yeah. That's what I do, baby. Look at the bottom of their lineup, though. Like, you know, it'sathan berrigan and christian fisher and you know i just you know they do have justin hall which is a bit of a superpower as one of the greatest players in the league you like

obviously so you like the islanders more than them uh can i oh god do you want me to tell a lot like the i do like the islanders more than him. You like the Habs more than him? No, but I like the Islanders. Pittsburgh. Cider's unbelievable. Oh, my God. He's a player. Pittsburgh more than him? Yeah.

He is a mule. He is a hockey player. He's a mule. Yeah. Okay, and how good is the brinket? Like, come on, eight goals in six games. That guy can shoot the puck. Ottawa.

But he didn't want to be in Ottawa. It's a bad trade. I'm in a bad trade. Okay, here's my beef with the Ottawa Senators because Detroit goes in there. Yeah. He played a season there. Yeah.

And then they welcome him back on the scoreboard. Did they really? Yes, they did. Did he openly not want to be there? No, no, no. That's a joke. He gave them the middle finger. That's how? Yes, they did. Did he openly not want to be there? No, no, no. That's a joke. He gave them the middle finger. That's how bad it was.

I was careful. And you, Ottawa, want to put him and welcome him back. He just ducked it to you. Yeah. Why are you? In 81 games, 81 games constitutes a welcome back to Ottawa. No way. Alex.

We got to get Kenny Reid on this. Kenny Reid hates this. Come on, Ottawa. Put him on the board and boo him. More, exactly. When they did boo him, they put him up on the board. It said, Ottawa, welcome back. The organization gets to look classy,

but gives the fans a chance to tee off. Maybe that's the move. I'll never forget the Johnny T one on the Islanders. Sorry, words. When they brought him back there and they put him up there to say welcome back. That's been 11 years. I know, forget the Johnny T one and, and I, on the island for the Islanders, sorry, words when they brought him back there and they put them up there and say, welcome back 11 years. I know, but the booze was 81 games and minus 40.

Yeah, that's, that's, that's a bad look. I agree. Yeah, that's not great. No,

not good. All right. Um, Boston Bruins five. Oh, no. Matt Poitras scores two. Big difference, eh?

And poor Sammy. Yeah. Thank you. Sammy hears that Patrice is retiring. Pavel Zaka's unbelievable now. You had a little bit of a party when you heard that, right? Oh, I was. This was the demise of the Boston Bruins.

I know. I'm trying to think. I said so much stuff. Oh, no. You were like, they're done. Did I? It's over. I don't know.

They lost their heart. I'll be honest. I thought you lose Bergeron and Krejci and Hall and Foligno and all these players. You're going to be so much worse. But Cooper comes on our show and goes, they lose 12 points. They're still a 112 point team or whatever like this team is they were so good last year and then you look at the d courts grizzly mccaboy lindholm carlo shattenkirk mitt you know whoever and then all mark won the

last year great great i'm thrilled i'm thrilled this is just awesome could they just think tampa finds a way to lose to the leafs so you're okay there yeah i don't think tampa's any good i think they're fighting for the playoffs yeah they're just like they were leaking defensively on saturday night like i just think they're gonna give up too many goals without vasilevsky but yeah boston they just look a lot like boston yeah and patras is not going anywhere it's so funny that you know you look at the nhL going into the season and who the best teams you thought they were going to be.

Edmonton struggling, but Boston 5-0-0. You know, Colorado is 5-0-0. Vegas is 6-0-0. Vegas, 25 goals for 11 against. 6-0. House on fire. Yeah, they're dangerous. Bedard scores in his home debut against them, though. That was nice.

That was a rep, too. Yeah, it was a nice Bedard-esque goal. That's what you want more of. Not more expected goals. You want actual goals, and he scores the first goal in his home opener. That's nice. Right? Yeah. But we're all stats now. We'll find anything to hang on

to, right? Yeah. It's all about the what was the stat that I heard? And I think it was a Sportsnet stat too. They said that on the weekend, Cole Caulfield, Montreal Canadiens. OT winner? Yeah. Now he's like the most in history. What, the most OT winners as a Canadian or something?

I don't know, but like when did they introduce three-on-three? Oh. And, right? Yeah, well, that's... So where does history have anything to do with this? Well, remember they gave Mark Giordano golden shin pads, I think, for the most blocked shots in NHL history? They started recording them in like 2010. So Cole Caulfield

in 127 career games. Kevin Hatcher and Craig Ludwig. He's the fastest player in Canadian's history to score five career OT goals. Okay. Good stat. And what's your history? They have a long history. Six year history. When did they

introduce three on three? I don't know. When? 2007, 8, 9, 10. 2015? What? I don't know. When did they introduce three-on-three? I don't know. When? 2007, 8, 9, 10. 2015? What? I don't know. When did they introduce three-on-three? I don't know.

Hey, Siri. When did they? Hey, Siri. You know, you're a producer first and then a celebrity second. 2015. What am I Googling? Three-on-three. Three-on-three. You're a stat guy. 2015. What am I Googling? Three on three. Three on three.

You're a stat guy. Yeah. But the point I'm making is that it's not history. Okay. I have, and I totally agree, it's not. Same as Jordano leading the NHL all time in shot blocks. Yeah, okay. Tell that to Kevin Hatcher and Craig Ludvig, you know, and those type of guys.

And who's counting? Right. Yeah, it's like, yeah. Often you ask questions that I think you know the answer to, just to put my feet on the ground. Was it 2015? You knew. Somebody mentioned it to me.

But if they were wrong, then I would have blamed them. Then I would have blamed them. But I also did want to bring this up. Is there a better overtime hockey player in the NHL than William Neyland? No. No. I think he is the best overtime hockey player in the NHL than William Neyland? No. No. I think he is the best overtime hockey player in the NHL. He's really.

Okay. Not to change the subject because you're going to have that subject. Can we get rid of the three on three? Oh, I mean. It's so not hockey. Can we put you in a home? It's so not hockey. It's not hockey.

It's so not hockey. What about extending it and killing the shootout? It is. You know what it is? It's basketball hockey. It's so not hockey. What about extending it and killing the shootout? You know what it is? It's basketball on ice. People love basketball. Very popular sport. To watch big loops and then come out of the zone and face-offs. Will he pass it to his keeper?

Send a player out there to win the face-off so you can have the puck for three minutes and do all your circles and wait and wait and wait. It's the best. The coaches have figured out a way to take out the really fun aspect of the odd man rushes. It doesn't happen.

When it first started, it was unbelievable. It was breakaway, breakaway, breakaway. It was unbelievable. Now it's just possession game. They've really figured out how to coach. It has gotten substantially worse. Although that overtime was wonderful. For two months, you're trying to win a Stanley Cup. You'll never see a

three on three. Yeah, that's fine. But like shootouts, you know, people made and missed playoffs and lost jobs based on one point last year. You know, and the shootout is what is that? I mean, if you want to kill something, do you just want to end in a tie well what was a week ago we're talking about kuznetsov's uh criminal shootout

attempt shootout attempt i like watching all this stuff i'll be honest people are saying it's too gimmicky it's like the whole thing's a gimmick the whole you're telling me it's a gimmick kuznetsov is a gimmick the whole shootout's a gimmick. You're telling me it's a gimmick? Kuznetsov is a gimmick? The whole shootout's a gimmick. Kipper wants six on six and then a tie. That's what he wants. Let's get all the guys in the extra player. I'm not saying I have the answer.

More players. You're losing a playoff position to a gimmick. Your point is fine. Do you like watching overtime listen do i slow down for an accident on the highway yeah i like to rubber neck yeah okay i'll take a peek but willie and ot him and tomorrow how about shifley's winter saturday night i mean he is making good on that contract so far yeah how about dry saddle like that's your guy.

He said so as much after the game. He was like, yeah, I gotta be better there. The collection of talent the Leafs put on the ice for 3-on-3 every time is breathtaking. I know you don't like that word, but it is breathtaking. Pretty fun. Takes your breath away. That's it. Sammy ends our show with breathtaking.

It is. It's breathtaking. Alright, just like that real Kipper and Bourne over any last thoughts you guys done like watching overtime our thanks to Craig McTavish how many games on tap two tonight one

one Buffalo Montreal and then tomorrow tune in to real Kipper and Bourne tomorrow we'll get you ready for 16 games stay safe everybody