Real Kyper & Bourne - Oilers Anxiety + CBJ Sends Stars to the Bench

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with the Oilers heading into a crucial test against the Panthers, the hail-mary move to start Calvin Pickard in net, Connor McDavid's disappointing production and if he's playing hurt. Joining the conversation, Sportsnet's Garry Galley (4:50) shares his thoughts on the Oilers' shocking start, the Leafs' play in Sweden, the evolution of Nylander's game and he goes through his extensive jersey collection. Later, on the collapse in Columbus with the Blue Jackets benching Gaudreau, Laine & Severson, their short-term future and if GM Jarmo Kekäläinen is on the hot seat. Finally, news and notes from around the league - Wild GM Bill Guerin criticizes his team's effort in Sweden and Backlund calls for the Flames to end the noise.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome into our national hour on the real kipper and born show we are live on sportsnet and sportsnet 650 in vancouver and sportsnet 960 in calgary and as always when justin's not coughing. Sorry. We are Real Kipper and Born brought to you by Bet365. Yes, sir. Alright, boys. I just kind of teed it up on our last hour. The Edmonton Oilers with that loss

to Tampa Bay on the weekend. One that didn't include really McDavid or Dreisaitl in the scoring department, are in a bit of a pickle here. Yeah, serious pickle. We are coming up to that famous now cut line of American Thanksgiving. The Oilers have four games to go to hit the magic 20 mark.

Yeah. And they're on the road. I've got them in Florida tonight. Yeah. Carolina Wednesday, Washington Friday. That's tough. This is their season, guys. You just can't get too deep in this hole.

Great observation. You know, like, it's been getting deep here, but, boy, 5-10-1, a 3-44 winning percentage. That lost to Tampa. They were up 2-0 in that game. Well, that's exactly it. Like, they are, you can play way better, right?

You can play better. You can have a new coach. But the room for error is so slim now. Yes. Like, you can't. Heaven forbid you get an injury to an important person or something. And, you know, I watched a whole game on Saturday. Every shot goes in.

They're 6 on 24. 6 goals on 24 shots. I think so. I think they had 43 shots. And so Picard is going to start for them tonight who hasn't played NHL games. Well you're right. What's it going to be worse? Why not? It's going to be worse than 861.

Your season's on the line in the next three games. Yeah, but the reason it's there is because of the goalies. The other two guys have been so great. I don't care. I don't care. I don't go to Picard when my season's on the line right now. You know what, Kip? It's the Hamburglar Hail Mary.

This is the Hamburglar Hail. You're saying we need some 30-year-old to come up and just be a hero. Now, imagine now, Connor and Dreisaitl, they're struggling. They almost look to me like they've lost

a little faith here. They're saying they haven't. They're saying they believe. What do you guys see? I see guys almost, I see them like on a human level. I just see guys that go, there's so much pressure on them. There's so much riding on their shoulders every night. I think just from a human perspective, they're a little

broken. I don't think that's it. It's been that way, right? It's been on them. Yeah, I know, but this is the first time that they've haven't drawn anything out of themselves. They don't have any answers right now. I'm just saying that it looks like there's too much weight

on their shoulders, and if they're not breaking right now, they're certainly bending. So Connor McDavid in eight games in November has four points. That's crazy talk. Five separate games, he's had zero points this month, and he has now gone four straight road games without a single point why you can't tell me that okay there there's a lot of speculation he's hurt but even if he's hurt is he can't be hurt that much connor mcdavid is not on the first

two pages of the he's like a hundred what's going on Explain this to me, please. Well, we just watched Austin Matthews do this last year. And you go, I don't see what's that different. But I don't think it was like this, was it? No, this is a significantly different drop off. He has 13 points on the season. That's hard to find. Below a point per game. He's had five games without points.

This month. And he had what? Six or seven all season long last year i'd be shocked if he had that many to me it's just he's not healthy there's just there's no explanations there's no no but if he's not healthy and he starts poorly and he's a step behind i think there's there's a stress level going on with him right now that i've never seen before but you don't think there's a stress level level on with him right now that I've never seen before. But you don't think there's a stress level in years past? Yeah, but it wears on you, Sammy. It catches up to you. And let's bring in Gary Gowdy.

And they've been in good spots. Anyway, yeah, go ahead. Hockey Night in Canada, Sportsnet. Terrific job on the weekend, Gary, calling Toronto and Minnesota. And I don't know how much you picked up off our conversation. It's on Connor McDavid. And the body language doesn't appear to me at a level that we've ever seen before out of him. And I just think that maybe the stress or the wear

is catching up to him a little bit. It's my only explanation. I may be full of crap. I'd love your thoughts. Well, first of all, job on sunday morning that was a different kind of animal for for me it's first time i've ever done a game that early and barts and i were we were like we're in a fog there for most of it so hopefully it didn't sound that way but you guys did a great job but you know guys like you guys have touched upon so many things that it could be um There's so many things that we don't know,

the inner sanctum of what's going on within the Edmonton Oilers, and Connor McDavid would be part of all of that. But let me just throw something out there. And again, I don't have any factual stuff to say, like, this is what's going on with Connor McDavid. But he gave as much as you can give last year. And you mentioned the fact that he was only pointless and maybe less than the amount of games he's pointless in a row right now.

And that's crazy. I mean, he was dominating, as dominating as a player can be in the National Hockey League, and his team couldn't get there. And then he sees slippage, and he sees areas that are supposed to be fortified that aren't being fortified. And I wonder if, you know, just internally, if he just sees that they just don't have what they need to win and it's frustrating him and it's, and it's just building up. And, and I think,

you know, sometimes when all these things you're thinking about, you know, sometimes they affect the way you think the way your legs move the way your hands move the way you normally fluidly go through your game when you just play without thinking and and maybe that's part of it you know maybe he just doesn't see the improvement he was hoping and the steps that his team has to take and maybe that's eating away at him a little bit i mean you know you have everything that you wanted to get I mean him and then you know that you could possibly get individually but the one thing that you need is your is your name on that Stanley Cup and the one thing that a guy like Connor McDavid would deserve after what he would offer to the NHL fans and the NHL as an ambassador for all the years

is a Stanley Cup and and he sees jack eichel get one last year in vegas and you think that that would be a burn the saddle right there and uh at the end of the day i think he sees how far maybe they are away and maybe that's something that just psychologically is affecting him but that's just a that's just like yeah i'm toss out i'm on that page yeah i mean that's kind of what we're doing here is just trying to bat around these theories. So it sounds to me like what you're saying, if they were to go out and get a goalie, do you think that can help the mental state of the players who are struggling to contribute?

I believe so because what a goalie that you're confident in, what a goalie does who makes the saves that he's supposed to make is he hides the imperfections of your hockey club and he builds uh he builds strong character and confidence within the hockey club because if you make a mistake and you and the red light goes on you pull it out of your net um then you feel the anxiety of it if you make a mistake and your goalie makes a 10 bell save and no one's the wiser a couple hours later when the game's over everyone's selling you know you don't feel as bad driving home you don't think about it probably forgot about it

all together so a goalie can really do that and i go back to my days in buffalo uh you know and with dominic and then the guys after me with ryan miller and you know lindy ruff had you know you know he's a great coach but i'm saying I'm saying to have goaltending like that and have that there every day for you that you know you're going to get, it does make it a lot easier for your team. And like I said, they can hide a lot of imperfections. Now, you know, your goalies aren't expected to win every game for you. You have to play as a team.

But certainly if your goalies aren't playing well, especially early in the season where you get a lot of dents in the fenders and you get a little broken tail light and all of a sudden you got four or five guys that are are not feeling it and then the next thing you know it's just kind of you know like a virus goes through your team and it's a malaise so to speak and and it seems to be you know as hard as you try to get out of it it feels like quicksand at times we're talking to Gary Gally, color analyst for Sportsnet Hockey Night in Canada. As we said earlier, you were on the call of the Leafs and Wild

over your 1,100 games in the National Hockey League. Gary, you were part of some pretty solid defensive core groups here. What did you see coming out of Sweden with the Toronto Maple Leafs and the level that they're at now and where they need to get to to make people believe that they can come out of the east well i don't for one second think that was inspiring hockey by the maple leafs over in stockholm i mean did they get the job done and good teams do that right even though they don't necessarily play uh from the tips every

game they find a way to win games look at my broncos i mean this is a prime example right but i mean but the but the but the but the leafs are are finding a way to win games when they probably didn't deserve it um i thought it was some of the good things i would take out of stockholm both goaltenders played pretty good i mean mean, Samsonov early, maybe not so good. But at the end of the day, he's doing an interview, and he's saying how great he feels that he was able to win a game for all the Swedish players, that he really likes his teammates. And that makes him feel good.

So that's all part of being a good player, too, is feeling good about your game, feeling good about yourself. So he looks to be in a better place psychologically. And Wall, whose numbers have been kind of fading a little bit, he's had a couple of rough outings here or there, I think when they really needed a goaltender to be on his game right away early, I think he was. And I think he was for a good part of that Minnesota game

where the Minnesota Wild, and you listen to the interviews of Zuccarello and some of the players afterwards, they were like they felt they played well enough to win that game. They feel good about that game. Unfortunately, they didn't win it. And I think a lot of credit has to go to Wall, and I think a lot of credit had to go to the defense that I thought interjected themselves into the offense

a little bit more than maybe we've seen a little bit. Giordano upped the ice a number of times. maybe we've seen a little bit giordano up the ice a number of times i thought played a pretty strong couple of games morgan riley up the ice we saw him score again and then of course that great defensive play um you know i think mccabe is starting to come around and get going you know i i do believe that i i think that they're you know they're not there yet but i do see signs of some things one of the things i noted during the broadcast was they don't produce a lot they don't put up a lot of solid numbers when you look at taking morgan riley off out of the mix you look at the rest of the defense corps there's not a lot of production coming out of there so it was nice to see uh nice to see that

there was a little bit of production from the back side i mean if i mean giordano almost saved the puck from going in himself. He was running a crease. I don't know how that didn't go in. But at the end of the day, I do believe that, you know, this team is, you know, everyone thinks that, you know, getting through the first round of playoffs, the demons, they needed the dragon, they needed the slay. I think there's more than that.

I think there are some things that this team does sometimes that i feel baffled people including their coaching staff and maybe their management people and it just baffles them and they just and i don't know if they have an answer for it or if anyone does but they're like when is this going to kick in when is this going to just kick in and it's just going to be automatic it's just going to happen it's not going to have to be talked about or gone in and hashed out it's just going to be reactive uh you know mechanisms that go on within their team that just make them a real good solid team there's no doubt they like one another and they're they're tight like that but

sometimes it doesn't you know transcend onto the ice surface when things happen so i think there's a lot of things going on i think they've addressed some things and um although i don't think it was like i said their most inspired hockey i think shelvin keith would tell you that but getting the points and coming out of there and passing teams in the standings moving up i think is a positive thing gals in the first hour of the show we talked about willie kneelander as everyone has been talking about him you've called a lot of leafs games since the beginning of his career tell us about what you think the player will Nylander was when he first came in the league to what he is now.

I just think he's, I don't know if you guys noticed, but just to me it's like it's an effortless kind of way he's playing. It's like there's no stress in his game whatsoever. He never looks stressed on the ice. His skating is just magnificent. He's looks stressed on the ice his skating is just magnificent he's just flying around the ice and if there's such thing as a puck magnet stuck to you i would think that he's got one stuck in there somewhere because the puck just seems to follow him and um you know i think his teammates are really happy for him this is a guy that has you know that low kind of shelf

meter where you know he's never going to get like over the top like excited craziness and he's never going to get too low even depending on how bad things are going he's kind of perfect for the toronto market like he kind of gets in there he dresses the way he dresses plays the way he plays you know he goes home he's got his family his grandmother but he said you know have you seen your grandmother no not yet he's got his family, his grandmother. Have you seen your grandmother yet? No, not yet. He's got things to do. He's out there taking his teammates to get stuff going. He's got things he's got to get done, you know, and he focuses on his hockey.

And one of the things his teammates talk about is he is very committed to his game, and he's very focused on his game. And I think those are things that you don't always notice some of them when you watch them play on the ice. It's the things you know as a teammate of somebody, how they approach the game and how they play. I think his teammates are really happy for him. I think they're like,

this is a guy that they always felt like could blow the doors out of it. If you really got things going and I think they're happy for him. And, and, and, you know, I played in Philadelphia, you know, you had the big line and crazy eight, and you had to defense that line. You had to put everything against that line, first of all, and hope they didn't kill your players, but also that you could just tone down the amount of points they got. So what did Rod Brindamore and his line do? They lit it up. They lit it up because they weren't facing the hard checking.

They weren't facing the best of the best of the night. So it's up to them to go out and light it up. They are playing against subpar players on a lot of their shifts. And for Tavares and for Nylander and Bertuzzi, you know, they got to go out and light it up. And they are. And I can see how that can happen because I've watched second lines put up great numbers because they've got number one line players but they're not getting number one line defensive checking against them and I think if you're a coach coming into a game now on an opposing team you're going okay we got a guy who can score 60 70 he's pretty good and then you got a guy who can be an Art Ross winner I mean

with Marner do we put the checking there or do we put the checking on Tavares and Nylander? Well, you know where it's been going. And I don't think it's a shock that we're seeing these guys light it up like they are. They're good players. And I think that's a credit to them and the fact that they're doing it. Now, the bottom nine guys, the bottom six guys, those guys have got to start chipping in too. I mean, just in seeing the Leafs a little bit, I mean, they've got some guys in those bottom six that you need to chip in in order tos a little bit, I mean, they've got some guys in those bottom six

that you need to chip in in order to be successful, not just regular season, but in the playoffs. Bottom six guys have got to chip in. Hey, Gary, as good as Willie was in Sweden, I don't think people woke up this morning and said that the Leafs are the best team in Canada. I think despite a couple of losses by Vancouver, people may be pointing that finger to the Canucks.

Would you agree with that? Right now, it'd be hard to argue. I mean, they are playing a brand of hockey. It's an inspiring brand of hockey. I think you've got to tip your hat to Rick Tockett. You know, I was a teammate of Rick's in Philadelphia. I know what Rick stands for. I know what Rick's all about i know i know the kind of person he is and it's not a shock that he went in there when you play i played for terry o'reilly okay like if you don't

come to the rick inspired to play uh when you play for terry o'reilly then then there's something wrong with you you know what i mean like you come to play for a guy like rick tocket a guy you know a guy who played the way he did doesn't take much for these young guys with you. You know what I mean? Like you come to play for a guy like Rick Talkin, a guy who played the way he did. It doesn't take much for these young guys, whether you think you know him or not. Just go look at some YouTube and you'll figure it out in about 20 seconds that this guy came to play. He was a gamer. And when he speaks from where he comes from,

it's not like you can call Shark. You know what I mean? Like this is a guy who does it. And he will treat his players well. you can call, you can call shark. You know what I mean? Like this is a guy who does it. So, and, and he, and he, and he will treat his players well. I mean, sometimes the persona it looks like is that he's crapping on his team, especially when things weren't going so good. What he's doing is he's identifying the problems with this team and he's not

letting them play good for a period or two or play good for one game and then let off the gas pedal and go back to the old habits. He's got his thumb and his foot right on top of it it's expectations he knows what they can do and i think they've made some really good deals not blockbuster deals but i think on the back end you know with ronick and susie and guys like that that you add in there those are guys that aren't flashy but they come in and they do a really nice job and i think that opens up for yous to be a little more creative and uh they're guys up front that had some hard years are starting

to feel it again i i really like just the um i just like the aura around this team i just like the feel of it is it gonna go through the whole season here uh you know when they go through a three or four game losing streak what happens then they've got to handle a few things to me to see if it's really a legitimate real deal the leafs have proven that they can have a rough start and rip through it they've proven they can play you know subpar and still win games i mean they're a good enough team so i i look at you know i look at toronto maybe at the end to be that team coming out at the end of the season but right now if you're asking me right now, I believe it's Vancouver right now. Before I ask my next question,

I want to know about your jersey collection behind you. I know people on radio can't see it, but on TV they can. Is that all yours? What are all those sweaters? Look at that collection. Are you at Sport Check? Well, when your middle name is Samsonite, you get a lot of opportunities to have jerseys you know and uh

so I was you know and of course guys like you have to understand like when you go on a team every team now has a third jersey or a jersey they wear for a special occasion so you know I've got like uh you know my I started in 1984 with the LA Kings so I have my original LA Kings purple and gold sweater that I had I kept my original home one. I gave my, my, my, my, my wage jersey. I gave my home one to my parents. And then of course I went back to LA in 97 and then you had the, the Chevron black and silver.

And then they went to the purple with the line pressed. And then they went back to the purple with the original crown, but a little bit more new. So I got like a ton of sweaters from the teams that I played on. And I'm always really feel blessed that the teams allow us to take our jerseys when we leave and, and let us have them because they are the biggest keepsake that you have from the game.

I mean, obviously you know, apart from winning a Stanley cup or being part of a really good team that did something special, you know, the sweaters are where the blood and sweat is. It's where your commitment was. And it really is something that I'm really cherished.

Every now and then something happens and I give one away. I give one to something. Something is special. I'll hand it off. I've got some of my sweaters I wore in Bantam and Peewee that people have given to me over the years. They go, hey, I have this. You wore it when you were a Pinecrest Select. I'm like, oh, it's got the velvet lettering on it,

the suede velvet lettering and the whole bit. And then I've got some players like Rob Blake and Ray Bork, and I got an all-star sweater from Wayne. I was very fortunate enough to get. And Torrey Krug got it. So, you know, Eric DeBranson, a local kid from Ottawa, real nice kid that I like. He signed a Florida jersey for me a while back. So I have some of those that I intertwine in there. crew got so you know eric de branson a local kid from ottawa real nice kid that i like he signed

a florida jersey for me a while back so i have some of those that i intertwine in there so uh so yeah i mean uh yeah it's it's it's kind of blended out a little bit but uh it's really nice and uh you know people especially when i was coaching minor hockey the kids would come over and uh i used to have the sweaters in frames right had them all in frames and i thought you know put them in frames you know but then you can't touch them you can't look at them and part of the thing is when these kids come over i say throw them on put them the kids would be running around with the sweaters on stuff that that's really where you know it's great to see so i'm really blessed to have had them and the trainers uh you know the only team that wouldn't give me

my sweater were the broods what and i can tell this story i can tell this story because i got i went to arbitration and and they traded me to philly and then i went into the locker room and you know if you guys remember dr dr uh bacardi kenny flagger the trainer was in boston the dr bacardi we called him and kenny's gone now so I can say these things. So he was awesome. This guy was awesome. You didn't have to tell him your equipment was something wrong with it when you left to go home. When you came back the next day, it was fixed.

He lived in the basement of the locker room. So when I came in to get my equipment, okay, that day, he told me he felt so bad, but he says, I can't give you your sweater harry won't let me give you your sweaters i said it's okay doc i appreciate it and uh you know i said my goodbyes and i left and about two years later in philly i'm coming down the hallway we're playing flyers we're playing the bruins and i see doc out sharpening skates and i walk up to give him a hug and chat and he tells me to just keep walking

i go what he goes just keep walking so i kept walking and he ran behind me had the paper bag with my three sweaters in it that he kept all that time yeah yeah that's awesome my way and the original six with the b on the front oh he kept them for me and he gave them to me and i i that's that was uh yeah that was that was really nice so I've got them all which is really correct me if I'm wrong but you didn't take it personally because that's just the way Harry was back then

well he was mad at you and going to salary arbitration was something that was something that didn't make him very happy and so you know when you did that you knew that you're probably your time was numbered there. And so shortly after that, I was dealt to the Flyers. So, yeah, it was something that happened.

But you know how bad it was, guys? I walked into the locker room like three or four hours after they traded me, and there was already another guy's name on my jersey in my stall. It was hanging there. I walked in and I'm like, I see Gordon Murphy's name on the back of the jersey, 28 in my stall. And I was like, boy, that hurts.

That really hurts. That's a stinger. And Kenny, Kenny kept going, I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry. Oh gosh. That's great stuff. Hey gals, really appreciate your time. Thanks for doing this, pal. We'll have you on again soon. Oh, gosh. That's great stuff. Hey, gals, really appreciate your time.

Thanks for doing this, pal. We'll have you on again soon. Always a pleasure, guys. Again, great job on Sunday. Thanks. You too. Thanks, man. Gary Gally, Hockey Night in Canada, Sportsnet.

I was going to ask for one of his sweaters for up here behind me, but it didn't seem like the right time to take one from him. When he gets rolling, man, he gets rolling. He was chatty today. I love it. Man, those stories are great. I love that kind of stuff. That's a really good story. You know, when we do this

show, you know, it's, we're doing Leafs reaction, and we're talking with the league, but like, there's so many hilarious hockey storytellers. Oh, yeah. You know, and it's like, Spittin' Chicklets does such a great job with that, getting guys on, and like, it's a different type of thing, but him telling those stories are so great. I that it's the best too because i would say

maybe the end of your career around that time i feel like things got so tight and i don't like i don't know like when my dad played their stories are all like but there's some teams that wouldn't give you like a hockey bag to leave you'd have to to put it in a garbage bag. No. Yeah, that was my experience at university one year. No, I'm telling you. There's a few clubs. There's a few players. My junior B team went bankrupt and sold our sweaters. I couldn't get my Soyuz heat jersey from back in the day.

Thanks, guys. Can't take the hockey bag. How much money could you have made from selling a set of sweaters? We need a hockey bag. Oh, my God. Here's a garbage bag. Yeah, that's sad. Do you want to do game time now?

Because we're not done with the Oilers here. Well, I was going to bring up the Oilers in game time. Okay. Yeah. Hit it. All right. It's game time. Presented by Bet365.

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We've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Seven games. Seven. Seven games, but three excellent games. Bruins, Tampa, Edmonton, Florida, and Dallas, New York are three excellent hockey matches. But. Okay, just focus. I'm focusing on the Oilers.

Yes. Who, I looked at at this i was expecting the the uh cats to be pretty big favorites in this game but it's pretty even money minus 110 on both sides i have concerns for the oilers heading into this game i do too uh ekblad's back montour's back this was a team that was just holding to hoping to uh you know keep their head above water just enough to get these guys back and they they did way better than anyone thought yeah there's seven two and one in their last 10 it's like when boston was without their guys last year instead of keeping their head above water they crushed the league if you look at my fancy

stats the florida panthers are the best team in the league by uh expected goals against like best defensive team in the league hasn't uh i saw a chart uh the other day about ekman larson turning it around yeah he's having a great year yeah he's playing really well so we are of the theory of and i believe it was ken holland that kind of brought this whole thing up about american thanksgiving being like this cut line it was him i think it was him oh no he's not mistaken don't quote me but i won't it's kind of ironic that his oilers are coming up this week to that cut line and i look at the schedule here of the four games florida carolina washington this week and i don't think they're gonna make it guys i mean i got three

teams in the nhl with a lower winning percentage than them so their fourth last in terms of winning percentage right now minus 14 goal differential i have them now not making the playoffs oh whoa okay so everyone i would say in doing analysis is saying but they're gonna figure it out and i've been saying that do you have them in or out in april you know my thoughts right now are okay the pacific division is vegas vancouver la they're not going to catch any of those those are three good teams to me they're not catching them so they're looking at a wild card spot and those teams are not very good st louis arizona anaheim seattle like i'm still saying yes so according to bet 365 they're still very heavy heavy favorites to make it they're minus 170

favorites to make it plus 140 to miss wow yeah yeah i just i'm saying depth of the west is not great too who's in the blues are no good arizona but anaheim seattle okay forget forget about teams forget about teams tell me how many points gets you into the playoffs. 92. Because last year it was higher. I think it was 95. 95 last year, but I'm looking at this. So you think the numbers lower this year? I think the West is weak enough that 92-3 can get you in,

which to get there, you need 80 points, and there's, quick math, 68 games left. 132 on the table? Yeah, I don't know what it is. Yeah, that sounds right. Yes, it is right. Way to go. Sorry, I'm starting to lack of faith for a moment.

It's just not a hat rack, you know? Fair enough. Okay. So. Yeah, they need a lot of the remaining points. Give me a clip. This is where my math runs out. You're going to go like a 700 clip.

No, no, no, not that high. Pretty high. Yeah, but not that high. I want to say 640. Okay. 635 clip. Doable. For a very good team.

No, no, no. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Like, where do you come up with doable? Like, where do you come up with doable? Please, where do you come up with doable? I bet you their winning percentage last year was 640. Four teams, I think, four teams last year. Pull up last year's. Fine.

Give me last year's. Oh, I'm good. I have it in front of me. Okay. Their last year's winning percentage was 665. Ha! How many teams? How many teams? How many teams?

Were at that clip? Yeah. Like, eight. The Vegas Golden Knights were 667. Colorado was 665. Dallas was 659. So, starting tonight. Boston was 823 last year.

Go away. So, starting tonight. Go was 8-23 last year. Go away. So starting tonight. Go all the way away. So starting tonight, they're going to hit a 640 clip, 650 clip. Starting tonight. The rest of the year. Based on what you've seen up until this point, starting tonight, they are going 640%. Yes.

Yes. Okay. Your honor. All right. Don't see it. I've watched a ton of them this year. They just, they don't have the same state. Here's why. Here's why. Your Honor. All right. Don't see it. I've watched a ton of them this year. They just don't have the same stance. They're not the same team.

Here's why. Let me defend my answer. I think it is too important at this point of McDavid and Dreisaitl's contract schedules that they be good, which means they're going to do whatever it takes, including trade assets, to improve. They're going to get a goalie. I think they tell McDavid to have more points than Matthew Joseph. Tonight, the Edmonton Oilers start their 640 winning percentage with Calvin Pickard.

Oh, my God. Listen, it doesn't look good. Well, it's not good. But it's there. Hyman, Kane, Dreisaitl, McDavid. Hyman is so good. Hyman is so good. Kane had a natural hat trick the other day.

Won three of their last four, right? I think their biggest issue is when these guys aren't on the ice. Yeah, it's a big issue. Right? Yeah. All right. Who's helping you win? Right now, it's a tough grind for the

oilers um quick one for the canucks tonight my canucks you know as i like to talk about lifelong canuck uh big time canucks fan um they're playing the sharks tonight on home ice get right spot after talk it maybe we'll play the clip after the break if could talk it get after them on the weekend i like them minus a goal and a half. Oh, yeah. Quinn Hughes over a point and a half. And Elias Pedersen goal for plus 400. So that's a nice little same game play for you.

For them to beat up on the Sharks, which they're going to do tonight. Also, the Sharks have had some wins, so they've kind of can feel good about themselves. No, no, I'm not saying that's going to like they can be complacent tonight. They're going to be just dead. They're going to be smoked. So that was Game Time presented by Bet36 tonight. They're dead. They get smoked. So that was Game Time, presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary.

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Minus four and a half was the call that day whoops all right a little mush we're gonna take a break we're gonna take a break still lots to talk to including uh uh billy garren giving it to the minnesota wild i guess yeah i'm not sure what he really expects, but... Better. Better. We'll talk Calgary Flames as well. Elliott had a report on their captain, Michael Backlund. I want to talk about Patrick Laine. Columbus.

What is going on there? Plenty of meat still on the bone here on the Real Kipper and Bourne Show. Make sure you're back after these words everything raptors before and after the games the raptor show with will lou subscribe and download the show on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts big hip reels justin bourne sammy mckee back close out real kipper and board show get into some news and notes around the league patrick liney healthy scratched against the philadelphia flyers prior to that johnny Goudreau was benched, I think, for the whole third period. We had Doug McClain on Friday. Yeah.

And he said, maybe a couple of shifts here and there, but you're not winning benching, what did he say, $20 million all period? Buddy, they didn't just bench $20 million. They benched Damon Severson for the whole period, too. They just gave him an eight-year $50 million contract, which I would like to note, $50 million for Damon Severson for the whole period too they just gave him an eight-year 50 million dollar contract which i would like to note 50 million dollars for damon severson i that might be the worst contract in the nhl for me i hate that contract wow very personally mad about it for some reason but it's just so bad i i just see this organization over the last few years and they can accumulate some talent but they they can never get them to fit together

well and they seem to be taking like damaged goods talent like it doesn't seem to be i don't know people don't seem content there the team kept like via through all whatever numbers i look at just you know 30th in the league and even strength shots shot attempts against 30th and you know power play expected goals they're 30th in everything they're minus 19 goal differential they're terrible so you go out and sign johnny goudreau and you got patrick line eight okay who's your center for those guys like boone jenner boone jenner that's your center for those guys? Like Boone Jenner? Boone Jenner. That's your center.

So you're going to make the playoffs now with Boone Jenner, Cole Sillinger, Sean Crowley. Like good, good. Like Sean Crowley's great. Great player. But he's got to be in that three and a half, four spot. He's Sam Lafferty and a bit. Right.

And he was amazing in Boston. But you can't you can't squeeze him into anything he's not. No. So, Fantilli. Fantilli is their most gifted guy, and he just joined the team like a few months ago. But how do you go and spend that type of money and not think about who's going to be passing the puck to these guys? Well, I'll tell you how. Who are pure shooters. Because you just need good players.

They need so many good players that if one of them wants to come, you sign them. It's just, it's not a part of the strategy to me. It's just how do we get good players? My issue with Columbus is that it's like every other team who believes the hype of their own prospects. I remember Anaheim's last iteration of going to be great was here comes Sam Steele and Max Jonesones and you know whoever else

every other team has that's columbus to me it's chinikov and sillinger and like these are good players but every team has a couple of good young guys they're not special there so we hardly see a a change for a general manager during the season. Usually when those changes come, they're off-season. But do we envision anything happening with Yermo? Yeah, they're DFL in the East right now. They are last place by a good distance. I mean, you just went through the Babcock thing. He's in year what there?

Eight? I mean... Oh, over 10. 10 years? And this is the state of the organization? How is that not enough to be like, okay, seen enough. Time to try something different. Yeah, that's a touchy situation for an organization

that has just never been able to put it all together and truly compete. They've had some success. The glory year. Did they have a year? Yeah. Remember when we had Porcelain on a couple years ago and he talked about the one year that they swept the lightning?

Oh, yeah. They called it the glory year. That's right. That's bleak. And they lost to the – I think they lost to – who did they lose to in six games? They lost to Pittsburgh. And the year that the Capitals won the Stanley

Cup, they were, Columbus was up 2-0 on them in the road. Like, they went on the road, won the first two games, and they benched Grubauer in. They came back on that series. But those are their high points. Anyway, they need some, you know, I feel for the good fans

there, because there's lots of them. Alright, news we never want to hear. Landon Lucic to be arraigned after an alleged assault over the weekend. Domestic violence, right? Yeah, domestic violence. Yeah, so the Boston Bruins announced over the weekend that Lucic would be taking an indefinite leave of absence from the team. The Bruins' written statement said the organization takes these matters very seriously and we will work with the Luchich family to provide any support and assistance they may need.

Arraignment on an assault charge, I think Tuesday, expected Tuesday. Some tough alleged details. Yeah, and I imagine we won't probably hear from the Boston Bruins until they can collect all their facts. But I don't envision seeing Lucic playing again. That's probably the end of his time. I mean, not knowing how this plays out, it seems like pretty much the end of the road there if this stuff's true anyway. Yeah.

All right, Bill Guerin. is true anyway yeah all right uh bill garen like this is is this their first year where they cannot use uh the money they bought out they got on ryan suiter 14 schmill and dead money or something like that is that right yes right and parisi yeah so i mean he's not happy with where the team's sitting, but kind of expected, do we not? This year and next, it's $14.743 million of dead money in a flat cap world. This year and next? Yeah. And then after that, it just drops down to $833.

So less than a million. But I mean, I think to his point, Kip, there's a lot of good players on this team. It's Kaprizov and Boldy and Zuccarello, Erickson,ino like they have hockey players here spurgeon brody uh brodeen i thought they were bleeding chances yeah but i guess at least like defensively you thought they'd be a better team and solid and it's like there's some shifts where they looked really big and really good along the walls yeah they beat the leafs a lot of puck battles. They have a big, strong team, for sure. And I do think that when the standings shake out

at the end of the year, I was telling you guys about the two teams in wildcard spots right now are St. Louis and Arizona. You know, Anaheim and Seattle behind them, Calgary, Minnesota. Like, I still think Minnesota's one of the teams that gets themselves into that conversation by the time it's over, but...

And they have a good goalie in Gustafsson. Yeah, and Fleury was good for them the other day, so I do think they're better than this, and I don't blame Garen for being like, okay, what's going on here? No, the Pittsburgh Penguins, they look like they're chasing in the standings, but they have mustered, I think,

four, if I'm not mistaken, shutouts, including one last night against Vegas. Four shutouts with a Carlson on the back end. Yeah. I think that's pretty good. They're just such a hot and cold team. Like, their ceiling is really high. When they're good, they're very good.

I can't make sense of their record at 9-8, but how about Nedeljkovic? He scores in the American league. Yes. Shoots in the net. They call him up the next day. He pitches a, how many save shutout?

39 save shutout. And then where's the Cleveland Browns Jersey and his postgame presser having a pretty good few, few days for Nadelkovich. We mentioned that's bold. Like as much as you talk about the penguins being a popular team and they've you know there was early in their you know around sid and that time was not great for them but since then they've been really popular but they don't even they pale in comparison to the steelers

the steelers are everything like the steelers there is nothing that matters more it's the steelers america but no the steelers like even but that matters more it's the Steelers America but no the Steelers like even but there's other cities in America where like baseball's big and like there's you know there's rival like there's no rivalry there in terms of what the biggest thing for him to go into a press conference and wear a Cleveland's brown jersey is that's gutsy like you better play really well they're gonna hold their hands on hip just like, hey, first stinker, get him out of there. Like as a goalie, that was a big mistake. Big mistake.

Speaking of Columbus, the Flyers won their fifth straight against them. Can they stay in the hunt for a playoff spot? They're currently second in the Metro at 10-7-1. I will tell you that if you look at, you know, expected goals for and against, they're a good team. As much as any team that is where they are at the top of the standings, they create a lot.

They don't give up a ton. Awful power play. They're playing pretty well. I watched them play Vegas. What day was that? I'm not sure when it was, but I watched them play Vegas. Yeah. They were right there with Vegas.

It was a good game the whole way through. I mean, Couturier's back and healthy back and healthy connect me is an effective player tippet can fly like lawton's useful you know atkinson can score like there's there's guys here i don't believe that they're good good i don't think they make the playoff but towards the numbers like them play hard oh i can't imagine their third pair is Igor Zamoula players would take their foot off the gas pedal one day going towards practice

do you think he's watching Columbus just going but isn't that kind of the point it's like they won't take their foot off the gas until the day they do and then they never put it back on the gas that usually runs a window of about three or four years, right? Where you just had enough of his crap.

Yeah. Yeah, their power play is running at 11.5% so far this year. All right. On Saturday night. Get that figured out. Second intermission, our Elliott Friedman was talking Calgary Flames. Michael Backlund asked teammates to end the noise. Like, what do you make of that?

Wow. I think it's pretty clear what he's talking about, the noise. Quit asking for trades, you jerks. But what teammates? There's no teammates. There's just one guy. You don't think it could be Hannafin, Tanev? There's probably Tanevs out there. Buddy, there's not a chance

Backlund goes to Hannafin unless there's anything public. When it's public then you can go but when it comes to business behind the scenes for hanafin tanev uh that that's been around for 50 years but this is not teammates backland was talking to one guy. Yes. Mr. Zdorov. Yes. And he said, hey. And he looked up at him and said, stop it. Yes.

Pretty much. What are you supposed to do? We talked about this. Didn't I tell you last week it pissed off his teammates? I don't know. Did you? I don't know. Yeah, probably.

I think I did. Let's revisit it. It pissed off his teammates? Yeah, it really. Yeah, they got pissed off. So what do his teammates think? Or what do you think that Zdorov did in this case? Do you think him and Milstein spoke and said,

okay, after the game, I'm going to throw a big hit. After the game, you're going to go on Twitter. What do they think happened, or what do you think really happened? I think the whole idea was to make it abundantly clear to a Toronto market, the biggest market out there, a team that desperately could use him, that we're going to tell everybody that we're going to leak the information and we're going to tell people that we want out

and this would be a perfect fit. Sure, fine. I'm okay with that plan. You think he's damn right. We have to go back to like the Marc-Andre Fleury with the Alan Walsh, you know, big sword. Oh my God. Like I really find it hard to believe

that you would do something like that without your client knowing something about it. So, you know, I can't tell you for sure if he knew, if they knew or didn't know. I know as an agent, I would never have done anything against my client unless they knew about it. And listen, it's not the first time an agent,

and Milstein's, I think, a pretty sharp guy. I do. I think he's done amazing work for some of his clients. It may work. Look at the contract he got Kane. It could work, right? But that means that you're putting pressure on a rookie general manager and Craig Conroy,

and there's the ability that Backlink can turn around and say, hey, listen, we want him out of the room now. And that could force a hand. We'll have to see how long it takes for Zdorov to get traded. Do you think if Calgary started playing well and having some success they would then say hey like can we keep this guy like he's a part of the solution here for us we still think we can get in playoffs yeah that's a that's a good question and I imagine that

there is a possibility that winning solves everything. But Zdorov, here's the kicker. Zdorov wants a lot of money next year. So it's just not about winning now. It's about there's a number of guys going to UFA. If you turn around and want Hannafin back again and you want Zdorov back again, hey, we got great results and our team's great on the blue line it's okay what's it gonna cost and that's a whole new ball of wax yeah that that reminds me you know a little bit ah i forget the example i had but it is like teams that go to the trade deadline and are pretty good like if calgary has success

they will still have the shortcomings they currently have yes and so it's it's like even if you're having success this flames team might want to sell i look at the st louis blues team that won a stanley cup i think they traded kevin shattenkirk or paul stasny in season like one of their guys who was going to be a ufa i forget the example of which player it was but like armstrong recognized that they were going to lose this guy for nothing and i think that's the case calgary even if you're a good team you may have to move off a guy like listen like this move by a new captain too though backland like to make it about the team right it's one guy yeah you know it's like that's kind of a good it's pretty good captain move anything yes i do i

would have thought it was a better move if he would have said, Zdorov's got to knock it off. Yeah. I'm okay with that too. Yeah. Last thing, if we have time for Rick Taka, do we want to hear talk before we go or no? Well, it's something that is near and dear to Kipper's heart,

and I want to just make sure that I put the clip in, but I think I did. I'm just double checking. Yeah, Rick Taka talking about not being happy with the Canucks, who are 12-5-1. They can only lose two games, and the coach is really ticked off. That's a new bar set in Vancouver. He said something about, let's play it quickly,

and then we'll react off of it. Yeah, it's the team that's willing to do the right things, you know what I mean? And, um, then Seattle did. We didn't, we had,

we had some awful changes, awful changes. You know, you changes lose you hockey games, lose you playoff series. Um, you know, you,

you got it. You have to change properly. And we didn't, I assume to the change coming out of the icing right before the Alexiak goal, their 1-1 goal. See? I love that. Kip loves a good line change. It's the little things that don't get noticed that are different.

These are currently leading the league in bench minors right now. Five or six? Six. Six. That needs to get cleaned up. I would say. Okay, just like that, our show is over. And once again, we've solved nothing.

Our thanks to Gary Gally. Our thanks to JB Sammy, Derek Brandeo, and Jen Rolnik. And we are all back here tomorrow to do it all over again. Make sure you're along for the ride. Have a great night everybody.