Real Kyper & Bourne - Oilers Crunch Kings

Episode Date: April 23, 2024

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with the news out of Vancouver that Thatcher Demko is questionable for the remainder of the first round and the Canucks' chances against Nashville without their number 1 netminder. They are joined by Oilers' analyst Rob Brown (6:02), who shares his thoughts on Edmonton's fiery start to the postseason last night, the Kings' series outlook after being outclassed in Game 1 and what makes McDavid and co. so lethal on the powerplay. Later, he weighs in on the other 3 Western Conference series and who's looked the strongest early on. Finally, they regroup with Sam to look back on last night's playoff action.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome into the real kipper and born show it's the national hour here nick kiprios justin born sammy mckee as we get ready for another round of action stanley cup playoffs four games on tap tonight can't wait to get in on all of them but thanks for joining us on sportsnet sportsnet 650 in vancouver and sportsnet 960 in calgary this hour real kipper and born brought to you by bet 365 including tonight a vancouver canuck team that would like to go up 2-0 against the National Predators. If that does happen, it will be without their star goaltender, Thatcher Demko, who is out for game two. And now, guys, questionable for the series.

We heard from Rick Talkett today, Sammy. We did. We have a clip of him talking about this very definitively. So let's hear the clip. Well, he skated yesterday. He's not going to play tonight. We're going to evaluate him today on something. It wasn't the old injury.

And that's all I really got for you guys. It's a day-to-day thing. Can you give us a sense of when it may have happened? Yesterday, I think. I'm not quite sure. That's why I don't have a timeline exactly so i don't want to really want to speculate you said it happened it may have happened yesterday in practice no it might have been in the game but i'm not quite sure because he skated yesterday i don't have the exact timeline that's why i don't want to speculate

whether it's you know this time or whatever rick started to give an answer then realized he should give an unanswered was like it could have been anyone done the leafs are really happy that like this is this is like willie nylander again now all over again out west it's like the mystery these mystery injuries like a zombie thing going around and like those two are the first zombies rick is one of the best most well-spoken coaches in the league but he can't lie oh my god he was only telling the truth on the other hand it could have been i mean whenever could have been getting groceries oh my god so casey to smith will be taking the reins there he was uh he's 32 years old a 12 9 and 6 record6 record this year. An 8-96 save percentage. Not a bad backup goalie.

As league-wide backups go. But he ain't Thatcher Demko. I feel so bad for Canucks fans. It sucks, man. You play such an awesome win. The building's rocking. All this momentum. Let's go.

And cup contenders. You're cup contenders. And your starting goal is a get. Maybe gone for the whole damn series. Great. But not, you know. Okay, so Demko was out March. Five weeks.

And some are suggesting that it is the old injury. Well, same knee, new injury. I don't know how big a knee is, how many things you can hurt, but I don't know. How many knee things are there? It's very funny. One of the CLs could be bad. I don't know. It could be one of there? It's very funny. One of the CLs could be bad. I don't know.

It could be one of the bones, maybe cartilage. We're not sure. You don't want to hear about the same knee. Do goalies need the knee that much? It seems crucial. It seems crucial. And I don't mean to make light of it.

We just have no idea. Like it's not good that your same knee is hurt for such an important position. So hopefully, no big deal. Do you think the Canucks are good enough without Demko to still outlast the Nashville Predators, who looked very good in game one? To kind of play off of what you just said,

I think Casey Dismith is like a battler. I think he battles, right? But I also have him in that Jake Allen, James Reimer, where you could maybe squeeze something out of him for seven to ten days, two weeks. But these guys have shelf lives that they can only go through a very small window. And then you hope and pray that demko can come back at some

point and can he get through nashville to smith i i think he's i think he'd be capable of certainly keeping it very close or or winning the thing i i think it's there for him yeah i think it's a great point that like there are guys like this who can play and they can win for you often like uh with your skaters you'll call the guy up from the american league and he'll play three or four good games online you're like we might have something here and then you play 10 games like oh no we don't have something you know like you got that you're amped up with the adrenaline i think de smith is good enough to get them wins uh and possibly through the series so you hope that demco this is like a weak thing, and you can get him back later in the series or for round two, God willing. Yeah.

Tough one. After watching game one, I'm not giving the Predators much of a chance unless Phillip Forsberg catches fire here. But I don't see a Nashville team that can push this Vancouver Canucks team just from what I saw in game one. You like the Canucks D, right? Which is surprising.

You just think that they're like a big group and kind of tough for Nashville to get inside on? Well, listen, Hughes will be the engine back there. For sure. they're like a big group and kind of tougher Nashville. Hughes will be the engine back there. And then if everyone can kind of hold their own, I think that at least he can go toe-to-toe with Yossi.

So just quickly, I know we have Rob. We got a text from Keith in Vancouver. Appreciate our Vancouver listeners saying Casey to Smith is a 940 save percentage in the playoffs. I'm like, I got to look this up. He played one game. He made 51.

He made 940. He made, how many, they had 51 shots against that game. So he played great. And he played one game. So 941 save percentage. 940. Playoff guy. There you go.

Okay. Let's welcome in rob brown former national hockey leaguer big goal scorer once upon a time but he goes way back like my days way back i don't think anyone's remembering brownie how are you pal anybody remembering uh my mother My mother. We remember, Rob. We remember. I appreciate that. Very few. The dinosaur. It's funny. Nowadays, I do all these hockey schools and kids will look me up and all they ever see

is Hextall chasing me down the ice or me getting knocked out in Maple Leaf Gardens. No one remembers any of the goals. Just scored a thousand times in the league. You know what they remember, Brownie? Five assists from Connor McDavid last night. And it looked like the Oilers are, like they've got something to prove here. I know LA touched the puck at least four times

because they scored. They did touch it. But give us your overall view of the cannon that the star players led by Connor were shot out of last night. Well, Connor McDavid's taken it to a new level this year. He's got one focus on winning a Stanley Cup. They talked about it before training camp. They had captain skates where all the players came in early.

Right through training camp, they talked about cup or bus. Now, they didn't get to the start they wanted, but once they got rolling, this has been the best team in the National Hockey League since November. And it's been led by their stars. It's been led by Connor McDavid and Leon Dreistadl and Ekholm on the back end, Hyman, all these players. I know that, Kepa, you played on teams, and I know I have in the past, where your star players weren't always

your hardest-working guys in practice. That's different here in Edmonton. This team is led both on the ice, off the ice, in practice by their star players. And when your best players, the best in the world, are the hardest-working ones in practice, it's very hard for any other player to slack off, and there has been no slack. This is a team on a mission right now. So how is Zach Hyman managed to fit in so seamlessly with McDavid?

Like last night, the, his Hattrick goal, the third one, McDavid basically uses them as a banks it in the net off of them. Hyman's like, thank you. Hattrick.

You know, how has he been able to have the season he's had? It's not as easy as he's made it look. It's not. not well first of all on that goal if you watch just before the face-off they have a team meeting and they're setting up set plays every time there's a face-off in the end the offensive zone the others have a set play off it and on that one leon's pointing okay here's where everyone wants to go they win the draw and that's a tap in for hyman who knew it was coming uh the reason zach hyman's

successful there he's smart you can't play with great players unless you understand the game know where you're supposed to be know when they want the puck know when you're supposed to uh back off pass the puck shoot hyman's very smart he's incredibly skilled he's deceptively fast and i would put him in the same league as connor and leon is tough to get the puck off of if he's got the puck in the corner you're not getting around him you're not taking the puck off his stick uh but the bottom line if you're going to play with a great player you must be able to think the game the same way and zach hyman does anyone that uh has followed your career brownie and you know i got a chance to compete against you once upon a time in a in a max tournament in calgary um you were

you had it you had it right from the get-go i'm sure when when you first put on skates where you just you know where to stand you know where to go you have a feel for offense you could finish plays off you did it at every level that you played it including in pittsburgh for the penguins but like how does zach hyman now develop that from being a 20 or 30 goal score to a 50 like what are the odds against anybody learning how to be in the right place at the right time if they never really had that knack from the moment they put on skates? He would have always had the knack. He just never had the opportunity. It's fine knowing where you're supposed to be,

but if your center is so-and-so third-line center or center that is an 80-point player a year, you're not going to get 50 goals. But if you know where you're supposed to be and now you're playing with Connor McDavid or Leon Dreisaitl, now 50 is attainable. 60 is attainable. He's got a very high hockey IQ, and that sets him apart. You could put anyone with Connor McDavid and they can have success.

They can have a career year, but their career year might be 22 goals or 25 goals. For Zach Hyman and a high hockey IQ and the talent that he has, well, he could score 60 next year. He's going to get the opportunities. And this year, Conor McDavid decided he was going to pass all the time. So when he's passing all the time time you want to be his winger and i tell you the the most popular spot in north america if you were a hockey player a couple weeks ago was on connor's wings when he was trying to get his 100th assist he was passing all night long no he

was not going to shoot the puck at all so uh hyman is just he's in the right spot at the right time. The Oilers, this might be one of the best free agent signings in NHL history. They knew they were getting character. They knew they were getting work ethic. Someone that had great attention to detail. I'm not sure they ever would have imagined they would have a 50 goal score as well. And I don't think this was an aberration or a one-off. I think this is the expectation now for zach hyman over the next couple of years of this contract yeah i mean he is a

complete player so obviously great game from him and we're going to get to all the other uh oiler pieces including leon dry sidle but i do want to ask you about the kings a little bit you know and and their game last night you know kept joked about yeah we know they touched it four times but like is there any glimmers of what it could look like for them like when the Oilers are going like that it just feels like you know the ice is tilted pretty severely the Kings way well the problem with for the Kings when they play a very very passive game against the Oilers, they're taking away any advantage they have of trying to beat the Oilers. When the Oilers build a 4-0 lead, all of a sudden the Kings started playing freer. Okay, now we're down.

Let's become a little more aggressive. Aggressive on the forecheck, throw pucks to the net, and they had a little more success. They were so tentative early in the game. They were so worried about the Oilers getting an odd man break they didn't forecheck if you've the Oilers are top heavy there's their top nine forwards are as good as any in the National Hockey League so if you're allowing the Oilers to break out and come through the neutral zone unimpeded and then dump it in well you're just asking for trouble if you're going to beat the Oilers you have to create turnovers in the offensive zone. The Oilers got good defensemen, but they're prone to make mistakes.

Every defenseman is. And if you force them in the offensive zone, all great offensive players prefer to play in the offensive zone. And you don't want to play in your own zone. So if LA, any team that can beat the Oilers, you have to be a team that can forecheck well. We saw that last year with Vegas. We saw that a couple of years ago with Colorado. You have to forecheck the Oilers would have to be a team that can forecheck well. We saw that last year with Vegas. We saw that a couple years ago with Colorado. You have to forecheck the Oilers. If you don't, the Oilers will break you

down. And we saw that last night. We're talking to Rob Brown, former National Hockey Leaguer, now current analyst for the Edmonton Oilers for Ched. We've seen Leon Dreisaitl shoot a lot of pucks off of a four-foot goal line. And I'm just, whether you're LA or anyone else,

why can't teams take this away from him? Have you ever seen anything like it? Well, no. The problem is, if you're a defender, one of the penalty killers, you're thinking, okay, Leon is standing on the goal line. Okay, right now he's not in a scoring position because no other player in the National Hockey League is going to shoot from there, especially a one-timer.

So we're like, okay, I'm going to take the four biggest threats away. Dry settle's not a threat. The problem for all these teams is dry settle's a threat. We've seen him shoot with his feet below the goal line and one-time it, where his stick was about two inches ahead of the red line, and he still scored. He is the best in the National Hockey League from shooting from bad angles. I dare to say that 50% of the players in the NHL

can't take a one-timer. And most of them can't take a one-timer with heat on it. Dry Settles is accurate from anywhere on the ice as anyone that's ever played the game. The LA Kings played with fire last night by taking silly penalties. You do not do that against the Oilers. They will make you pay, and the Leon Dry Settle play, if the defender moves down and gets in the passing lane

or the shooting lane of leon that just allows a wide open space for conor mcdavid to skate in and score from his vantage point so uh it's it's hard to defend you just have to hope leon misses the net but in big moments leon rarely rarely ever does that brownie you played with the penguins in the early 90s mario used to hit it from down there on the other side didn't he mario could hit from anywhere i remember it was funny we used to put practice and we had a goalie named frank peter angelo he was our backup goalie at the time and at the end of every practice mario used to put 10 pucks on the the dot and he would take 10 wrist shots and he would score 8 out of 10 every time and i used to make fun of frankie i'm like seriously you suck just letting mario score and he's like oh out of 10 every time. And I used to make fun of Frankie. I'm like, seriously, you suck. Just let Mario score.

And he's like, oh, my God, you don't understand. I think he's going top glove. He goes down low block. I think he's going five hole. He goes over my shoulder. He just disguises his shot. So, yes, Mario was incredible. But Mario, a lot of the times, they were wrist shots.

Or he would take his time and he'd just pick a corner. Leon is just bombs. It's one-timers that he he just doesn't miss the net and it's just like the defenseman and the goaltender figured okay there's no way we're safe right now and neither one of them could get over in time to to block that so uh the others power play when it's click and there's no one there's you just you can't defend it you can't stop them from coming in the zone because connor's going to carry it in and then it's your and no no kepper used to penalty kill okay i'm looking over here okay that's where stamp goes to standing he's going to be there

the whole time or kucherov or petterson or matthews the others power play all five players move around and all five players are scoring threats at all time all five players are passing threats at all time so five players are passing threats at all time so you're thinking okay i got mcdavid he's up in the top left next thing you look he's down beside the post you're like okay how did he get there it's impossible to defend and it well i mean last night it was a 7-4 game they won by three and they scored three power play goals and then boosh hits on 100 miles per hour just forget oh yeah well well then that and there's a fear factor too you've got a guy that shoots 100 miles an hour,

and you're going out to block it. I would start every power play with Boosh taking a slap shot. A, it's going to hurt someone. B, it's going to break someone's stick. Or three, it gets through and it goes in the net. So you've got one of three good things to happen. I roomed with Frankie when I played for the Hartford Whalers. So he often reminded me, you know,

he's a pretty good goalie in his Pittsburgh days too, you know, bailing out Tom Barrasso when he wasn't around. He's known for the save in Pittsburgh. The save, baby. Jersey Devils, of course. Outside of that, Vancouver tonight, the news of Demko out tonight, and there's a fear that he may be out the rest of the series anyways. What does that do to the mindset of the Vancouver Canucks, in your opinion?

I think they have belief in their system, and they have belief in Talkett. And then they've got a goaltender that played well for them when he was thrown in there i think what it does it gives a glimmer of hope to other teams playing against the canucks though i think nashville right now is going to be a little more pumped up i think if the canucks get through this series and it's edmonton or la i think there's a little more confidence for those teams demko's all world he's their most nights is their best player uh you take away the best player from any team they're not going to be as good so this is a i like the canucks i i love what they've done this year i think talk it's a fantastic coach they've got a good team but you

just took their all-star goaltender out of the lineup that will certainly make a difference i think they can still get past nashville but if you're going up against teams like Edmonton or Colorado or Dallas or Vegas or whoever, without your best player, I mean, that just makes it a little bit tougher for the Vancouver Canucks. It does. And then, you know, for the Canucks and for the Oilers looking ahead, and the players wouldn't do that, but we certainly can. You know, looking at potential teams like the Jets, like Hellebuck gives up six. Goryev gives up seven,

Ottinger didn't look great for a stretch of it last night. You know, goaltending is such a funny part of playoffs, but is there a team amongst the West there that feels like the biggest threat to the Oilers, you know, outside of some random nights of bad goaltending in the early parts of the series? Well, I think, I think the Oil others got very fortunate with

the way the two brackets broke up i to me there's uh the top five teams in the western conference are edmonton dallas winnipeg vegas and colorado edmonton is with the sixth seventh and eighth best team i believe yep so i think they've got the better side i i we the others played dallas late in the season and d Dallas laid a beating on them. Dallas is a good team. They're deep. The Winnipeg Jets are a deep team with very, very good goaltending most nights. Colorado, I think Colorado's in trouble.

I don't know if Georgie V is going to be the answer for them in net. So I'm not sure about that. But the Vegas Golden Knights is the team that I think, if they get completely healthy, and i know that stone is back and peter angelo's back and hill's back as a backup the deeper they go in the playoffs the better they're going to be because those players are going to get up to speed i know that stone looked okay in game one and so did peter angelo but they're going to get stronger i mean you missed two months i don't care what your injury is two weeks later three weeks later you're two months. I don't care what your injury is. Two weeks later, three weeks later,

you're a better hockey player than you were in your first game. So to me, if the Vegas Golden Knights can get through Dallas, I think they would pose the biggest obstacle for the Oilers. Having said that, if the Dallas Stars win that series, I do believe that they've got a very good team as well. They are deep through their entire lineup, and Odinger can steal games by himself as well. Hey, we're seeing a lot of cookie monsters have their way here.

Are the coaches going to just suck the life right out of the goal scorers here moving forward? I hope not. Seriously, I love the Colorado-Winnipeg first years. I love the 7-4 games. I played in an era. I love the Colorado-Winnipeg first years. I love the 7-4 games. I played in an era. I played in a game when Ron Hextall chased me down the ice.

I scored, I believe, the ninth goal of the game that turned out to be the game winner. And I think it made it 9-2 at the time. And I think we ended up winning 10-8 with an empty netter. So I'm from an era where, you know, you just kept on scoring. Was it the pumper, Nick? Was it this one right here? It was funny. I've watched years later.

I've watched the video. And I'm like, I didn't do anything. I don't know why he was chasing me. Then someone showed me. I scored the eighth and ninth goals. And they showed me, scored the eighth goal. And, oh, my God, I celebrated all the way to center. I think it moon danced.

And I'm like, okay, I understand now why he wanted to kill him that's that's the one that got him brownie great stuff man as always uh really appreciate your time we're gonna get you back uh throughout the playoffs here uh great analysis on the edmonton oilers thanks pal thanks a lot guys take care thanks brownie that's rob brown could he score? Oh my God. He skated like me, like a Zamboni, but he could score. Go look at his Elite Prospects page, you at home, if you haven't. He had 173

and 212 points in the WHL back-to-back years. Is that good? Is that okay? And then he plays for the Penguins 49 and 66 for 115 points one year, which is just an insane set of numbers. insane wonder what that year would have given him on a ufa contract i don't think he'd like to think about that because it's yeah i don't know 12 oh trust me all us old guys do that i know my best year be worth today yeah 212 by the way

georgie georgie the fifth is a hilarious gorgiev nickname because it is spelled Georgie with a V at the end. So I'm calling him Georgie the Fifth from now on, just so you guys know. Sorry, I'm just ogling that 212 points. If he has another night like game one, the Nate Dog is going to have a conniption. The Nate Dog's going to play goal. Yeah, the Nate Dog might go in.

He's going to put himself in. Yeah. The Nate Dog's going to play goal. Yeah, the Nate Dog might go in. He's going to put himself in. Yeah. Anything to win for the team. Yeah. He's going to be like, Gorgiev, you got it. Georgie the fifth, you got to get on that kale pasta.

You got to get on that chickpea pasta. That's enough routine, kid. We need to cut it out. Get it going. Listen, he better play better tonight or else he's Georgie the fifth in the depth department next year. Okay?

That's pretty good, Kenny. Well, listen, UC Antonin is hurt and they've got the other fella up. So it'll be the other fella real quick tonight, I think. Yeah. All right. Game time, boys? Game time, baby. It's game time presented by Bet365.

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Of those four underdogs, most likely to win Jets? Jets are underdogs. They are. They're underdogs in home ice, plus 100. I mean, it's even money. I mean, underdogs compared to the Colorado Avalanche were minus 120. Yeah, I think it's the Jets out of that group.

I think Tampa's interesting. I don't think Florida's going to run them out of the building with a sweep, so I can see Tampa getting one tonight. To me, that is excellent value on the Tampa Bay Lightning, who are going to be they're going to get you're going to get the a effort from them tonight plus 150 veteran team that's a that's a big one to me so in 94 when uh we swept the new york islanders steve thomas tells me after the series i've never played in a series where my team never touched the puck. Just chasing you around, eh?

And I don't know. I think the Washington Capitals I think might be in a position here where I'm not sure the Rangers are going to let them touch much of the puck. Pretty comprehensive victory in game one, I'd say. So, I would agree. Ovi, not a shot on goal.

And they had four power plays. I'll save my snarky Ovi comments. This doesn't matter to him. This doesn't matter to him. These goals don't count. Oh, my God. Buddy, you're talking about a decorated Stanley Cup champion. Yeah, he's got it.

There's one thing left for him to do. And it's, I mean, the playoff goals don't count against the total. He's won it. He's won. He's won a cup. Should count. Absolutely. So the current Stanley Cup favorites updated after the first little bit of it.

Carolina, obviously, I guess they're the closest with the two wins. They're plus 450. Florida Panthers, plus 600. Oilers, plus 500. Rangers, plus 600 as well. And then it goes down a little bit. Canucks, plus 900. Jets, Stars. And the Toronto Maple Leafs are still 14-1

after a victory over the Boston Bruins last night. Are they the longest odds? No. Outside of Washington and Islanders? They are not. Tampa, no belief. 40-1 for Tampa. The LA Kings are 50-1. Nashville is 55-1. New York

Islanders are a lot to one and the washington capitals are even more to one so gotcha i wouldn't recommend betting on those two teams all right uh that was game time presented by bet 365 visit the app for latest odds to find out why it's never ordinary at bet 365 must be 19 plus ontario only please play responsibly all right let's take a quick break here, and we'll come back. Still plenty to chew on, including I want to get your thoughts on Mark Stones. Clearly, he's going to need some time to get back into things. Oh, boy.

But, yeah, a bit of an upset there. Dallas Stars lose at home. Yeah, they're a whole new team, this Vegas team somehow. All right, that and the Islander meltdown for JB to discuss. That and more when Real Kipper and Boren return. Get smarter when you listen to Hockey Talk, the Hockey PDO cast with Dmitry Filippovich. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify,

or wherever you get your podcasts. What was it? What was it? 12 or 14 seconds that lost the Nashville Predators lead in Vancouver in game one? I don't even know if it was that many. Was it? It was very quick. It was longer

than the nine seconds last night where the Islanders had Carolina right where they wanted. They were up 3-0. Sure were.

So this was, according by a trusted producer, it was like crack research. Oh, boy. The first time Patrick Waugh Oh, yeah. has ever blown a three-goal lead, whether he was in net or behind a bench? Sports set stats.

Regular season included? Just give yourself credit. I just built you up. You think I'm going to dig up that up? I got to give my boy Stevie Fallon full props for that one. There's no way you can dig that up when you're golfing. I didn't golf today.

I was locked in. Pulling all these clips for you, buddy. Well, let's listen to Paddy Waugh on what led to the blown lead. And for some reason, we started losing those one-on-one battles, and we didn't do a very good job along the wall

to get those puck out, and he took advantage of it. On our regroup, that was the big difference in my opinion from from this you know first half of the game to the second half and Dirty start pinching and be heavy on those pucks and we didn't respond to that yeah you know where it was so noticeable for me is that Sebastian Ajo scores. And then there's the opening faceoff. And Islanders are on their heels.

Like there's almost a 50-50 loose puck. And the D just backed up. It's like a prevent defense, right? Like they're so used to being like, okay, we have the lead. We just can't let them complete the Hail Mary, back off. And, yeah, you can't give Carolina any extra ice. They dominated the league in possession and, you know, all those things. And then. They are a tidal wave team.

They are. When that speed gets. They could be a real hurricane. Yeah. Yeah. They could have probably used hurricane. Who's the dude that got eaten up? The surge of a storm.

Dobson. Was it Dobson that got eaten up by Martin? Martin Hook? I love Martin Hook. Martin Hook. I was on, you know, I've been doing Leafs talk post-game with these boneheads. Yeah. So you were up comfortably.

Well, yeah. It started. It had been 3-1 when we came on air. It ended. And they were like, yeah, Canes lose. I was like, what? So let me get this straight. You and JD do Leaf Talk after every Leaf game?

We do. If you'd like to listen to that, you can find it on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. You two aren't good enough? Yeah, I got to go and get JB. We got to bring in the big guns. Yeah. Kip's smart enough to ask for money.

Yeah. No, it was a disappointing one for the aisles because you know seeing they're up three nothing you start to think they could do this you know they're the type of playoff team that you get some goaltending and they got some veteran guys and they get shut down you can't they're not beating carolina four or five So that ship sailed with a three-goal blown lead. Hate to say it, Isles fans. Yeah, it's just crazy how much a game two can swing the feel of the series. I mean, I know we're in the national hour, but think about at the end of that game, Bruins tie it, goes to overtime, you lose an OT like the show we're having today. It's a post-mortem on the season.

It is. It actually is. It's crazy how quickly playoff hockey and the narrative and how the series feels changes. Best of seven is a long series. It's so short. Yeah. Particularly when you feel one team's better like Carolina.

Once they go up, it's like, yeah, if the Isles had a 2-0 lead, we'd be talking different, but that ain't the way it is. All right. Let's jump into Vegas, Dallas. It's your game one. Can you believe this? Mark Stone makes his presence felt with authority. Just a sick tip from the high slot,

pulls it through Ottinger's armpit. Would you like to hear Pete DeBoer on his thoughts on the Golden Knights? Yes, very much. I mean, I think as advertised you know good team you know obviously the the additions make a a difference for them for sure um you know i i thought uh you know if you're gonna knock off the stanley cup champions you're gonna have to you know bring your a game every night and uh you know i just

thought tonight we did some decent things uh we did some things well but we were chasing the game the whole night from the first shot of the game on so uh tough to play from behind against that team okay there there was a little bit of a message to his goaltender, I think I heard there. Did you? Interesting. I heard him taking a total shot. Right from the start. Right? Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, I think I didn't watch this game from start to finish, but certainly, you know, where I stand with Jake Ottinger having to be the difference maker here. So, you know, from the stand with Jake Ottinger having to be the difference maker here. So, you know, from the goals that I picked up on the highlights, like tracking pucks and still maybe an issue that he had earlier in the year. Yeah. God, Dallas must have been watching those last couple games of the regular season

just going, oh, come on. You know, really? You're going to give vegas at the end uh the other thing worth noting is dallas gets it back to four three did you see the goal the the one that went through logan thompson's like that was martin mason marchant wrist shot from a step inside the blue line clean not great really bad but so they get back in the game and they have an opportunity in the dying seconds to get a shot and diving to get a piece of his skate and block it mark stone blocks the final shot at the end of the game really good at both ends of the ice and what hurtle have i mean i don't know his

numbers were but god he looks big and strong doesn't he just seem to go to the net he's huge he's huge he is huge i didn't yeah he looked even bigger in gold i think yeah no i that's vegas team is no joke and if uh bottinger's not great that could be a hell of a series yeah we also did get a clip from mark stone his thoughts on on playing game one mark obviously you probably heard the boos all night uh first couple of touches they booed you and then to quiet them with that goal. I guess, one, how did you feel about that moment? Two, how did you feel about your game overall?

Yeah, it was a big goal for us. Get off to a good start on the road. That's key. Power play clutched up for us today. Got two big goals for us. Get off to that good start, get the chemistry there. Obviously, I haven't played a lot of hockey in the last two months. Been on the ice, but the games are different.

I'm not just jumping into a preseason game in September. I'm playing a playoff game in April, so you've got to be ready. But I don't know. I guess they don't like me. Did he say they didn't let me play hockey the last two months? He didn't say that directly. He said he's been on the ice. Oh, yeah.

It's funny. I had a friend text me today to be like, way too many smart people are saying that the Knights, that this is okay because it's within the rules or whatever. And it's like, his point was, if you have to lie about the status of someone like Mark Stone, who presumably could have played maybe a week before the end of the season,

then it's not within the rules. Then you have to be dishonest to get away with it. So you can understand Dallas fans being like, we think this is a little suspect. It's a legitimate place to boo. So good for you, Dallas Stars. Oh, and they let him have it with Leah Hextall's ESPN.

I actually, every time I watch a Dallas game, they seem to have a really good fan base there. Like that crowd really into it and they got the towels and the, I don't know what they do when they but they do, ah, ah, they do like a thing after every goal. They really do seem to be an engaged fan base.

They've had a lot of good teams there. You should put a team in Houston. I'd like to go to a game there. I'd like to go to Dallas. Don't you want to maybe just do that interview somewhere? What an odd place to have an out loud public interview to the opposing fans with the bad guy. There's a tunnel right there. I get it i get

it that like it adds to the storyline and the yeah you know that's actually a great point it's good for i know it's it what you're selling black hat but i will say this like if i'm george mcphee or or mccrimmon i'm like i don't want my player subjected to that. No. Get him out of there. By the way, Marston is impervious to any feeling of shrinking. He was loving it. All it takes is some goofball to throw something.

The lights are kind of low. It's like, I'm not having my player out there getting hammered. Especially because he spent six to seven more minutes sitting at the podium to do it again. I don't know. I agree with you, actually, Camper. But he loved it. I like that he did it. I like that the league is cool with it. But yeah, if you're on his PR department,

you're like, maybe that's not okay. No, no, no. That's my star player. I'm not having... God, he's such a stud, boys. I love Mark Stone, man. I just wish I had an ounce of that competitive. Do you remember what he got traded for from ottawa i can look it up ranstrom also by the way was it branston i'm sure there's a first was he the key in that one may have been a pick no one of the brainstorm is the big one of the picks must have turned out to be a a good one do you know the

answer to this i don't okay i don't remember it did i'm just wondering traded from the ottawa senators with tobias lindbergh to the golden knights for oscar lindbergh eric branstrom and a second round pick that turned into igor sokolov oh my god that's a lawyer, isn't it? It is the Sokolov commercials. He got traded for a lawyer? He did. I mean, Sokolov. Eugene needed some legal representation. Sokolov lit up the HL. He was great.

All right. That was a horrific trade. Awful. My poor Sens fans. Awful. Wow. By the way, Thomas Hurdle, 6'3", 215. Yeah, he's a lot of guy.

Big boy. Yeah. And he looked huge last night. All right. All right, did you say that you expect Tampa and Florida to even their series tonight? John Cooper, the master tactician. I really kind of wish at times we were a either a tampa or a florida

podcast so we could cover this series so no one would listen listen that's a great point so for our 28 listeners that'd be great we would get the two coaches the dream coaches that we should really just have this show and clip their coaches um yeah maurice was got to ask about the power play of tampa and that's something that we always talk about what makes it great and he gave just an excellent paul maurice answer on their power play of Tampa. And that's something that we always talk about and what makes it great. And he gave just an excellent Paul Maurice answer on their power play. So you want to listen to it? Yeah. I don't do the penalty kill.

Don't take many would be my advice because you're not, I mean, they're just so dynamic. It's a function of incredible players, but they've played together for so long they aren't they're just reacting not just on what they see they're reacting on their history of things they've done they've had success with so they have so many options every time each one I think they're the best team it fakes at the the shot fake where you bite on the shot and it goes

back into the seam or it goes back over across the top. They're so good at it. So it's going to be shot lanes and goaltending and then be as aggressive as we possibly can in the times that we can be aggressive. The first one really wasn't a place to be aggressive because they had kind of complete control of it. We sat in there and it's not what we want to do,

but that's what you got to do when they got control of that puck. Okay, they aren't the best at it. Kucherov is the best at it. I just thought that's just like he basically gave the takes that we've talked about on this show for three years watching the Lightning, and I loved how he talked about it, so put her in there. I also, you know, nowadays, I think to be a great coach,

you have to, what's the word I'm looking for? You know, have other people in your staff defer to them. So he says, I don't do the penalty kill. And I believe him. You know, you have to trust that other people, whoever the coach is that does, can do it. And there's too many things to look at. But you know that, like, you're making $4 million,

and the other guy's making, like, Sammy money. Yeah. Right? So, yes. When it's failing, you step in and go, okay. Yes, exactly. We need this. At the end of the day, I'm on the hook for this.

It's not working. But as long as it's working, you just go, I don't know, he does it. I do other things i would i would seriously consider just taking away kucherov and just go four on three somewhere else yeah yeah uh buddy but there's the braden point and listen i know there's a guy that hits the best one-timers of all time, maybe. If you're going to beat me on a power play, you've got to beat me on the other side. There was a... So when I was with Sheldon Staff in the American League,

Scott Gomez was down there, and Scott Gomez played the half wall for, I think it was Hartford at the time, and one of the best passers of his era, but he doesn't shoot it. So we literally just would back off him and let him have it. Let him have it out there on the half wall. The problem with Kucherov is he will cook it by your goaltender's ear too.

You know, so you're right. Like you do kind of have to be all over the guy because he can beat you either way. If you back off, they'll shoot it in. If you're aggressive, they'll pass it around you. I mean, that's how you get 150 points in a season. 144. Jets looking to take a 2-0 series lead on home ice tonight. Is this on the hands of McCarran, the Nate Dog, Rantanen? I mean, those are your three guys here.

So Jets have their hands full because they're going to get the absolute Nolan Ryan fastball from Colorado tonight. I do want to give a shout out to their fans. What are showing in game one outside the building and everything? I'm glad you brought this up. Okay. Before we get into the game tonight. That shot's incredible, eh, of their alley?

Unbelievable. I mean, pretty good outside. A thousand people outside our Scotiabank arena jumping around. I don't know whether it's not good enough because they're not wearing white. They're jumping mean pretty good outside of a thousand people outside our scotia bank arena jumping around whether it's not good enough because they're not wearing white like they're jumping around pretty good too by percentage of population we're less and less impressed i i think you know you talk about pressure on players coming home there's pressure i think with all these other canadian markets in the playoffs absolutely electric crowds with vancouver their crowd looked amazing of course winnipeg with their

crazy crowd edmonton buzzing last night ton of pressure on the old scotia bank arena suits coming home here great point there really is like you need that place to be rocking or else the jokes which you know are low-hanging fruit at the best of time where people get earned yeah but it's like oh the fans yeah great when's the next is it a plan the parade joke next like give me a break but big pressure on the fans be loud in game three big pressure after watching the rest of the canadian markets anyways yeah go back don't go down to nothing yeah that kind of sucks early one need an early one it'd be really good all right let's uh go ahead we'll get uh rick bonus uh sammy did you clip uh rick. All right, let's... Go ahead. We'll get Rick Bonas. Sammy, did you clip Rick?

Yeah, I did. Okay, let's have a listen to the head coach of the Winnipeg Jets. You don't want, like, sometimes you win games and you walk away, wow, that's great, we won. But you also have to be very honest with how you played. And our guys have been very honest about that. So we're thrilled that we won. We needed to get that win, and we got it. We'll take it any way we can get it.

But again, at the same time, you have to be honest with your assessment that that's the best game Colorado has played against us in the four games we've played them by far. Give them a lot of credit. They played an outstanding game. They worked, and they were on top of us. They didn't give us a lot of time.

Give Colorado a lot of credit. That being said, we know we can we can play better against what they threw at us the thing i'd be saying this but you know jonathan dren not in the lineup uh he's kind of maybe throwing a bit of a curveball here because he was so good for so long yeah with that line yeah he became an important part of that team he's one of those guys that can play with elite talent and you know he seemed to find his confidence again and certainly makes a difference for a team whose depth you question the time he had 56 points this year he played like he was he had a really good bounce back season and clearly the the moosehead

connection with with uh mckinn. They played together in junior. Like, there's a familiarity there. So you got the best out of him. But you're right. Missed him. Big time. I would take, you know what's interesting is, I would take the Avalanche's bottom six versus most teams.

Like, I like Miles Wood as big and fast. And Colton, I like the way he's trending. And Duhaime, I like a lot of their guys. Kiviranta, genuinely like them. Winnipeg is so well suited to handle them though yeah like just the depth that the jets have up front it's just winnipeg may be a really bad matchup for this avalanche team well it's not like they didn't go out and trade for pieces that are supposed to help them win the stanley cup like they

some of those names you just mentioned, they paid a big price. For sure. But, you know, the Jets have Nemesnikov on the fourth line. You know, he gets one look and blasts one home in game one. He's an excellent player for me as a fourth line guy. So even that, again, I don't think it's, I don't think people pay attention enough what a good

stick does so namaskov scores that second goal i think yeah in the game go watch uh if allo's stick that goes from a deep pass up the wall to a good stick where the puck bounces right on his stick and he hammers it home. Like, to me, the overemphasis sometimes is body and running it, and I get it. I get that whole theory that, you know, a hit today means you cash it in in game six or seven. I get all of that. But if you don't have good sticks, taking away good lanes, forcing shots on the outside,

but a good stick is just as much as important as running a guy three feet into the stands. Well, it's, you know, to take it to the extreme, that's what Zidane O'Chara was at 6'8", where it's just in your area, where you're trying to stick handle good stick on the puck and you know they they have a bunch of guys you know Lowry and Appleton the way they get after the puck um you know even Shifley I like the way he turns pucks over so they

they just have a lot of guys yeah to your point Kip that has anybody anybody made a better trade than Sheffield Day Off made for Dubois. Unbelievable. You know, Dubois scores last night. The worst goal anyone's ever scored. It's a non-goal offer. Even if he was excelling in Los Angeles and being the guy they thought they were getting. Velarde is so good. So good.

Ayafalo, so good. They got Kumpari in that trade and a second round pick. This is where I don't understand it. Like, I know you're la and you'd want the guy today but you're also 12 months away from getting him for free he was ufa at the end of the following season they just feel like they couldn't get i don't know i don't know but like you gave up you gave up some good pieces here. Well, to your point, if you could have waited

and then add him to the guys we just listed off. And you know what's rare, too, about this whole trade is, like, you know, Chevy's hand was forced. You know, you don't see many GMs have success in those situations. Like hit a home run when it's an 0-2 count and you hit a home run when it's an 0-2 count and you hit a home run on a slider. You often get back, you know, Wieger and Huberto for Kachuk. Who made that trade?

Correct. But, you know, it's not like that was a terrible trade by any stretch. Just, you know, you're in a tough spot. Yeah. So there it is. So tonight, big game around the year. Big games around the NHL. Can't wait for Jets' avalanche.

I'm all in on this series. Jets' avalanche is the feature attraction tonight. All in. Tampa, Florida at 730. Give me a score. For Jets, Ike Avs. Get them tonight. You do, eh?

4-3. I'm going to take a lower scoring game, 3-2 Jets again. Again, because they win again. I'll take 4-three Avs. I think it's 1-1 here. It does seem unlikely that this series is short. I don't see it as a short series, but we'll see what happens. Florida, Tampa, guys, 1-1 or 2-0?

I'm taking Tampa tonight. I think maybe 2-0. Oh, boy. Yeah, I think maybe 2 and a half. Oh, boy. Yeah, I think maybe two and a half. Canucks in Nashville. 1-1? Nope. 2-0.

Canucks get another one. Okay. Not so sure. I'll go 1-1 because I picked Nash as an upset, but I don't believe it for one second. Canadian Homer today right here. Love it. All right.

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