Real Kyper & Bourne - Oilers' Goalie for the Playoffs + Canucks' Front Office Future

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined by host of Oilers Now and radio colour commentator Bob Stauffer (4:09) to chat about the importance of Edmonton's 4-2 win over the Vegas Golden Knights, who the team will potentially lean on into the Stanley Cup Playoffs between Tristan Jarry or Connor Ingram, Kris Knoblauch maximizing his lines post-trade deadline, addresses the general management rumours and what he thinks of Edmonton's front office, and which player benefits from having Paul Coffey behind the bench. Then, co-host of Donnie and Dhali, Rick Dhaliwal, jumps on (35:59) to discuss the calls to shake up the Vancouver Canucks' front office, why it was difficult to move Elias Pettersson, and if a fractured relationship can be fixed between the Canucks and Pettersson. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

All right. Time to kick it up again on the Real Kipperman Borne shows. We go national. What do you say, boys? I mean, I just said so much in the last hour. We're live on Sportsnet. Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, 960 and Calgary. And streaming always on Sportsnet Plus, also available Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube,

where we appreciate a thumbs up. This hour of Real Kippernborne brought to you by Bet365. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Bob Stauffer. host of Oilers now on Ched. The Oilers with a big win, almost a playoff type of win where they kind of shut down Vegas last night defensively. Ingram with a pretty solid game. It led in one stinker, but that came on an offside goal.

So it didn't matter. It didn't happen. It didn't happen. It's like it never happened. How nice. I don't know what's going on with Vegas, boys, but this is a team. I think I saw a stat. Maybe you sent it.

The one of they haven't beat a playoff team? Yeah, since November. We've been talking about that for like a week. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, I've got to start paying more. We've only said that on the show like 10 times or so. It's fine, pal.

Well, okay. It's still really weird. Really weird. Very noteworthy. They did since beat a playoff team in overtime. I forget. Anyway. Anyway.

They are doing much worse than expected. Why? I have them as one of the two best defensive teams in the N. by a lot of like the expected goals stuff and they beat the red wings in over time correct so it was um so yeah i don't know i don't know what's going on there i don't know uh stone out again yeah it doesn't help he's such a good player and i i get it you know a little he's just so super smart that it's his lack of foot speed or or whatever you think might be slowing down on him isn't a factor when he's healthy i just don't think it matters like okay

Anaheim's first in the division, you know, their third and Edmonton's second. Like, it's all, is Edmonton and Vegas, are they going to play in the first round or the second round? Like, if they're going to play each other, that's going to be the teams likely, isn't it? We're just, it's the NHL's traditional Monday afternoon game for some reason.

Right now, yeah. On TV and it's Columbus and the Kings. And as you guys were talking, they're doing a vignette in the intermission. And our boy, Doug McLean, announcing Rick Nash coming up to this. I looked over at the screen. I thought we were having Nick on for a,

we're having Doug McLean on these stories. Did he make a surprise appearance? And Sammy, no real idea why this game's going on right now. All I know is Scott Lawton scored. Last week, they did a similar time game. They're trying to get more games in prime time in Europe, is my understanding. I don't have any.

That makes sense. Is it okay? Like once in a while have a game that people can watch? What time did this? What Eastern puck drop was this? 4 p.m. Eastern. So that'd be what? 10 o'clock at night?

in Italy. Is that where we're trying to market now? Italy? I happen to know the time change from the Olympics. Vaguely? I don't think that's right. I don't think that's right. Just overall thoughts because we thought

maybe Bennington was out there. I guess there were a few calls, but nothing really came about it. Bobrovsky. A lot of talk about Barovsky going into his last year of his contract and whether or not

he could potentially get moved it just there is no no action no no sniffs on on both those guys that's so bizarre no goal he's got moved i mean i said and i don't know if i was right on this there's just no way they're going to move a core piece of their stanley cups when they intend to next year go do it again i think they're going to have that guy be a part of it um what kind of contractor are they going to give him it's going to be one with a lot of term like i don't know that's a scary one of his age yeah didn't valley come on our show literally two months ago he says he's done. We also have

to talk, Tristanjari for goalies, but we have the man for that. I'll hand it over to you. All right, Bob, Stoffer, host of Oilers now. Bob, what's going on, bud? Where are you? You got the look of I just got off the craps table. No, we flew out of, thankfully

we flew out of Vegas last night and got into Denver, got to the hotel about 2.30 of the morning, so it's a beautiful day here, about 70 Fahrenheit, and And yeah, there's obviously a much needed win last year. Yes. Yeah.

Can you just talk about the win and not just the win, but how they won, not giving up four or five goals like we've seen probably the last few weeks here. And how important was that look of the win last night in Vegas? Well, I don't know how good Vegas is playing. I do need to state that because Carolina drilled the orders on Friday. like they Carolina can really skate. They play that high pressure game. But when Evanton won their 16 straight games, you know, and Chris Knoblox first year here in 23, 24,

they give up 24 goals against. You know, and the owners can score. They're tied for the second highest scoring team in a league with Montreal at 3.55 goals per game. But they've had two stretches this year where I think they've given up 40 plus goals of like nine games. and the first stretch resulted in a, you know, Connor Ingram getting recalled,

and then the trade for Tristan Jury, and then the second stretch here has been over the last 10 or 11 games before last night. So it was important that they, you know, only gave up a couple Ingram battled, which is all you can ask for. He's actually, I have a stat, quality starts, and he's had 16 starts as an winner. He's given him 10 quality starts.

That's, you know, 62%. that's a decent number for a goalie. And unfortunately for Tristan Jari, he's, you know, he hasn't really been the same since he got hurt in Boston back. I guess that would have been December 18th. Struggling to find his game a bit here. He's had an 855 save percentage in the nine decisions that he has had since he's come off that injury. And they got to, you know, they got to eventually get him going because, you know,

you make that trade under the belief that he has a higher. And I want to be careful how I say this, I really like Stuart Skinner. You know, I played for the same athletic club at Empton and Stewart, watched him as far back in the 12-13 lockout year when he went head-to-head with Carter Hart a lot. You know, I know some of his family members, but I think that Tristan probably has a higher ceiling.

He certainly handles the puck better, maybe a little bit more athletic. Unfortunately, we haven't necessarily seen that come to fruition to date here at Everton. And that's part of the reason why you guys were briefly talking about Bennington and whether or not he, you know, could he be an option? But I think they need to see what they got with Jerry and Ingram, and they need those guys to at least, you know, be stable in the pipes. It's not the easiest team to play for at times.

And the team's got to play better defensively in front of the goalies as well. Bob, some of the underlying metrics, you know, obviously the other score like crazy, but they don't defend super well. Do you think that, you know, possibly that has some effect on Jari here? like could it end up being Ingram and not him when they get to playoffs? Is Jari struggling to sort of make that adjustment into the system there? And since you're just going to talk about the goaltending for another sec, there was some reports about him kind of getting into it.

I think from you in practice with some guys. I don't know if that means anything. No, I was, all I said is I'm watching the goals going in practice. And one of the things that Calvin Picker did is Calvin Picker battled hard at practice. Like here's the thing. But Colson's taken off here. and Savoy is going to be fine because of their work rate in practice. And it translates to the game.

And one of the things that Pickard had is Pickard worked. I don't think Calvin is, you know, would be concerned. I mean, he was in the minors, basically, for three or four years. But he competed hard in practice. And I think there was a couple, I watched a couple of practices. And the pox are going in, and I'm seeing some looks. And I used the word salvo, but I didn't mean it like there was a verbal tet de tent. I met it like, you know, guys firing launch in pox.

and find a way to make some stops. And especially in light of the fact, there was a game against Minnesota who've owned Emmington where Tristan talked about the team defense in front of them. Since then, he's not done that. Since then, he's talked about his accountability for making more saves, which is kind of what Sergey Robosky does.

So I think some words may have been taken a little out of context there, and maybe I didn't use the best words. So I will say this. They've got to get more out of both guys. The team has to play better in front of both. both guys. And they have to use more guys. They have to use more players. And Stan Bowman's done his part to try to help that out, right? Like he's, um, he went out and found a sort of a shutdown defenseman. That's a good penalty killer in Connor Murphy. And he found a third line center in Jason Dickinson.

That's a good penalty killer. Those guys were part of the best penalty killing unit in the NHL in Chicago. And the other's penalty killing unit needed to improve. Uh, he also got Colton Doc. You know, Colton played three minutes through the first two periods. last night and was a part of a goal. Like, I think you've got to use more guys on the team here. So there's lots going on. They've underperformed as a team collectively to date.

And I think that the way it's going to happen is they're going to need everybody pulling the rope to get to where they ultimately want to get to. You're watching and listening to Bob Stoff, or host of the Oilers now on Chad. Stoff, so how much pressure is on Knoblock

to squeeze more out of his bottom six now with with a couple of additions here because at some point you think you know and it's happened in the playoffs whether you think it happened in game seven or not there's a break point for even Connor

and Leon so I mean is Knoblock under the gun here to to squeeze more minutes out of these guys I think having a general manager whose father is the greatest coach in the history of the game probably helps out a bit

because I think Stan understands coaching about as well as anybody and then he worked with a really good coach for a number of years in Chicago with Joel Quinville. You know, when Stan executed the two trades, he spoke on Thursday and talked about the fact that we needed to build a team. And we needed, you know, management needed to do more, to provide some more options for Chris Knoblock. And I think the message is pretty clear that Chris needs to capitalize

and the fact that he's got a third-line center that enjoys going up against other team's top guys. a second pairing right shot D. And I'm a big believer in a lefty-ready combinations, a right-shot D that knows his role. It's crazy when you think about it. And I'm just going to throw us back at both of you. We just watch Team Canada play in the Olympics. And most of us would say John Cooper,

is John Cooper amongst the top three coaches in the NHL? What do you think, Nick? Yeah, all day long. Okay. He did the same thing. He did what, like Justin. Is he a top three coach in the league? Yeah, yeah.

Okay. He did the same thing that Chris did. Yeah, but not for 82 games. Yeah, but he loaded up with David's line. And I could get in a whole other conversation, and all you needed to do is look at a play in the first period of last night's game as to why Bushard should have been on the team. Bushard should have been there for McDavid.

McCar should have been there for McKinnon. They could have had two attacked units with two de-forward, you know, de-center combinations that have synchronicity. They didn't do that. and there's the best coach in the game and he loaded up one line against the Americans as well and didn't get enough throughout the rest of his lineup

in the metal round. Now maybe Nate was a little bit banged up. They didn't have Sid, whatever the case. You know, there's a guy that's one of the best coaches with one of the deepest teams we've ever seen. The orders are not Team Canada. They're not that deep, but I do think you've got to use more players.

So how much pressure he's under? I think it's, to me it's a pretty simple message. Just execute the management went out and found you some more players, used more players. Nick, you were a fourth-line player when you played. Everybody wants to feel, and you willed yourself to the NHL, but everybody wants to feel a part of it.

And I think it's hard to get in the game if you've got three minutes through the first two periods of the game. And oh, by the way, when you're asking guys to go out and show gamesmanship and energy and hit, and they do that and they score, I think you've got to find a way to keep those players involved. And I think you will, I think carrying forward here with Chris, you'll see that.

Stoff, I have to ask you. Ryan Whitney floated out there on the Spitting Chicklets podcast that you could manage the team or a team. Do you have interest in getting involved in that side of it? Did you email that podcast to Stan or any

other team in the league? You know, Ryan, I think I want to write a coffee once at a Starbucks in Pittsburgh back in 2011. But with all seriousness, I think he said it happened Lark and it got picked up.

I'll be honest with you guys. Like, this is year 18 for me. Okay? And I really like Kevin Lowe. Even before I came to work for the organization. And I do work directly for the organization. But I think this is the best manage the team's been. And I can prove it. Because you don't have to like every trade that got made during the course of this year

and every move that's been made. But they understand that they've moved out draft capital and they've been much more assertive in player development. development. They've found players in Europe. You have to find players today in the NCAA because all the rules have changed between Major Junior and NCAA. The owners had success last year and I expect them to have a very successful run. This has been headed up by Jeff Jackson and Stan Bowman. They got a guy named Kelly Larson. They're in a better place backfilling their lineup to push some support for their top end talent in lieu of the fact that they're moving play, you know,

moving draft capital out to replace it. So they're in a fine position. And as soon as I saw that from Ryan, I said, way to go. Thanks a lot. But it ain't happening. They can't be that desperate. Trust me. They're in a good spot.

Trent Frederick, when he was in Boston, I loved every part of his game. And to see what he was there in Boston and the demand for him, obviously, at the trade deadline to the point where the Oilers invested eight years in him, to what you see out of today. Like, there's so much more he can give here. What have you seen that isn't working? And where's his upside still for the Edmonton Oilers? So how long does it take to come off a high ankle sprain, Nick?

Yeah. Right? Yeah, long time. It takes a long time. I think he's moved better since coming back from the Olympic break. He scored a couple times. And I would expect to see his minutes get increased as the season goes on. They have to make this work with him.

I mean, they've invested eight years. He wasn't right in last year's playoffs. I felt bad for him. But he's a decent guy. He does have courage. I don't think from a technical perspective, like I don't think he's, you know, he's certainly not Matthew Olivier when it comes to the,

fighting, but there might be like two or three guys left in the league. But does he show up and provide some, you know, character and toughness and a little bit of gamesmanship for the team? I think that'll come as he gets more. But I think he's just got to play some more minutes. And again, I think you'll see, like, McDavid's playing 23 minutes right now. Leon's playing 22. For me, it wouldn't be the end of the world if they got those guys down to 21 and 19 by the

end of the year and incorporated, you know, you're going to have to play four lines in the You're going to have to use more guys. And I just, I think what happens here is when there's a little bit of stress on the team, oh, well, we can put Connor and Leon together. And this year, for whatever reason, it's basically been just a little bit better than a push 5E5. So I think you'll see more players get deployed down the stretch here. And they got a tough stretch. They're not a guaranteed lock to make the playoffs.

And it would be a significant disappointment if they didn't based upon the preseason prognostications for the team. I got to believe that if they do get in, like I'm looking at the Pacific and Anaheim, Vegas is struggling Seattle. Like, it's still the Oilers, isn't it? Well, like Vegas is, to me, a really well-run organization. I'm not sure what's going on there.

We said the same thing. I don't know. They haven't been getting to save either. Yeah, big part. Well, I mean, last night, you guys, you had the two teams with the lowest five-on-five safe percentage of the league playing, Emiton and Vegas.

Think about that. At the end of the day, the end of the day, stop the puck. Like, you know, and with goalies, I expect goalies to work and compete in battle and stop the puck. And then, you know, I can spoil because I watched Grant Fear growing up. I mean, Grant Fear took ownership on the Steve Smith Bankshot in his own net. You know, he said, I should have had that one.

I mean, that was kind of a joke, right? But that's the way Grant was. And so, you know, Anaheim's good. They've, you know, Joel Quinville is a really good coach. They got four great young, big forwards. They're all like six foot one to six foot three. They've all got skill.

You know, they've got a one, two punch down the middle with Carlson and Metavish. Seneca, I'm still trying to figure out, well, actually it's hockey Canada. I couldn't figure out how that would happen. I'm trying to figure out how he wasn't on the World Junior team a couple years ago. Like that's just guy was a third overall pick.

He's a hell of a player. And then cut her gochies. I mean, and then they've got some veterans there. And they just added Carlson. They're going to be a tough out. But there's no question that's, three deepest teams in the West are all in the one one division. And they're going to play Colorado tomorrow and they've loaded right up.

Sov, just in terms of the Paul coffee factor here coming back, and maybe we saw a little bit of it last night with a tighter look. But who benefits the most? Which player benefits the most with Paul Coffey back? Well, I do think he can breed some confidence in a players. Like, you know, the guy he really helped the law. He's not here anymore. But he got a lot out of Brett Kulak, right?

I mean, he did. The configuration is going to be a little bit different. I think Jake Wallman, Jake Wallman was concussed at the start of the year and really has had some challenges. You know, I think he had a little bit of a groin issue for a while. Eckholm and Bouchard have basically since been December. I can make an argument that Evan Bouchard's been the best defenseman elite since December the first.

The problem is people see the highlights of the, you know, the giveaway that leads to the, you know, the giveaway that leads. to go. Well, that happens with other great players too because they got the puck a lot. So that pairing's pretty good. So I think it might be, you know, more second and third pairings and their confidence level in making plays and handling

the puck's. And if you make a mistake, go get it back. You know, and that's kind of what Paul brought is. I don't know if a coach can bring, I hate the word swagger, but let's just say confidence. Like I think that sometimes coaches can reinforce confidence. by not trying to break players down and building them up,

but just by reinforcing positively. And I think that that's something that Paul does well. And Nurse, sometimes the whipping boy there too as well? Yeah, I think actually Bushard gets it worse than Nurse. Oh, really? I got to tell. For a percentage of the, maybe more so from a couple of the writers.

But Darnell, you know, one thing about Darnell is he cares, right? He's engaged. There's never an issue on that. And, I mean, it's, it, there was a, he had a three-year window where he played a lot with McDavid and was, you know, like plus 20 every year. And he's kind of been, and now it's, now it's at home and Bushard, right? So, um, I, I would say that Darnell would be the first to tell you he's got lots more a game to give.

And I'm going to be intrigued to see how he settles in with his pairing with Emerson. Because it looks like they're going to play Walman with Connor Murphy. I can't reinforce the importance of those Chicago guys haven't specified roles delineated for what they do. One guy is a third line center that can match up and take some hard minutes on, and the other guy is a right shot D that is primarily defensive, and both guys can kill penalties. And this team's penalty killing went from 11 to 26

over a span of about 15 games, so it needed some work. Stoff, the Oilers in the Leafs are. in different situations. The Leafs are bottoming out here and trying to figure out which direction they're going to go. But part of that here in Toronto comes with what do you do with Austin Matthews? Two years, two seasons left on his deal

and there's concern. You know, particularly the American factor. Will he be around? Will he be a part of what's next? Connor McDavid, obviously Canadian. Team is successful. It's a different situation. But a couple of years left.

Does that play into the importance of winning now or how things are thought about there. Does it come up at all? Because I'm just asking, because the superstar thing comes up here in Toronto all the time. Yeah, it's an absolutely fair question. And yes, it comes up. I mean, Leon signed an eight-year deal.

Brian, a lot. And I know, Nick, you talked to Brian. Yeah. Brian went on my show in March the first to 2024 and said that it would be eight years, 14 million for Leon. That would be the price point. And six months later, that was the price point.

It's kind of funny because Brian and he talked about bridging Holloway and Broberg in November of 23. And then when those guys were both down on the minors in March, I'm like, you've got to strike here. You've got to get this thing closed off. I don't know if they would have ever been able to have done that for Broberg by March of that year, but I think Holloway could have maybe been avoided. And I bring that up because I think if you're Connor,

you're looking about where's the youth coming from? And the order's lost two pretty good young players there. And I think that's been the impetus for making a move like Howard. Like Savoy got transitioned in this year. and I think Howard will be in the mix next year. And I don't think Stan's done in that regard. Stan Bowman's done in that regard. And I think that might be part of the equation for Connor.

And that's why I bring it up, is you're going to have to have some good young players. Like if Toronto bottoms out and ends up with the top five pick, you know, I'm going to tell you right now, I remember back to the headman draft year, right? That was, you know, Brian Lawton overruled his scouts and took headman instead of Dushane. and if I'm running the draft for a team,

I would take Verhoff. I would want the right shot deed, six-foot-four right-shot D, right? Yeah, it's a monster. And that's, Evanton's not in that position, we hope, and it doesn't matter because they've traded their pick,

but there is pressure to win. And that's why you're moving draft capital to add players to try to push this thing forward, and then why you have to reinforce, you know, support players in your organization with, you know, going out and getting guys, out of Europe, which they're going to, and getting more engaged than any other time in Oeders team history

with NCAA as well. Stuff, great stuff, man. Really appreciate your time stopping by. Thanks for doing this. If you're stuck and can't get somebody better out of that, you give me a call. Thanks, pal. Appreciate your time. A future general manager in the National Hockey League.

Hey, Bob Sauffler. Don't rule it out. Don't rule it out, baby. The Bob father. I thought they looked pretty good and they looked a lot like it felt last night in Vegas a lot like

playoff kind of mode there's always this thing that the Oilers have that they could just turn the switch on including Bouchard yes Bouchard very good clutch performer and you do a little squinting that Dickinson ad helps and all of a sudden Frederick if he starts to play a little bit better

Murphy solidifies a pair It ultimately does that Like you're saying all these words and all these players And sure they'll be out there for 10 11 It just does Damn McDavid and Drysado Who are the best all-time playoff performers The only thing that's really going to decide this is

Whether they They rolled the dice and won on Jari I mean I appreciate Ingram last night But It's going to be a lot of Angram This Ingram's got some good numbers at times of this career.

Can he run it for eight weeks? By the way, is anyone ever been more fortunate than the Oilers on the one goal where Vegas tried to break it out, broke a stick, the broken stick turned it over? Leon makes a sick backhand. That was an unbelievable finish. They just took Stu Skinner and Calvin Picker and were like, what if we just did the same kind of thing? But that's what everyone said to do.

They said just do different. Try different. Different isn't always better. Well, I'll tell you that. It couldn't be the same. I'll tell you that in Toronto. If I'm doing different, though, I'm not doing it with a guy that has been battling and in the minors. All they heard was it couldn't be the same.

And they said, here, here's not the same. Yeah. Yeah. I just think they're going to be in the final again. The final. They're going to beat the central winner? Maybe. It's two rounds.

Someone gets hurt. McDavid and Leon are going. If I had to pick a team. And Ingram's your goalie. Maybe. I mean, they had pickard in that for a lot of these games. It's Stu Skinner who was like, you know, they had to get rid of. You guys know how I feel about goalies and comments, but Jari, I don't know how long he was there.

Like, barely. He was way too soon. Barely enough to unpack his bags. And he made these comments publicly about the guys not being, you know, good enough in front of me. In fairness. And it was. J.B., you know how I feel about that. Just, even if it's true, just zip it.

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I think that may be the only time those two guys have said the same sentence. Who's middle name was or that I said, oh, Bobby Brink. Do you know that Bobby Brink's middle name is Orr Brink? Bobby Orr Brink. Unbelievable. What a handle. Nomitive determinism, I believe that is.

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What I did he's yet? Can you repeat that, please? No, I'll do it off as you don't have to tell our listeners again. Okay, from Edmonton to Vancouver up next with Rick Dollywall and a little cadre. What do we think, boys? Cadry, a very happy camper in Colorado. We'll hear from him as well. more when we return to Real Kipper and Born.

Everything you need to know about the Raptors and the biggest stories around the NBA. Smith and Jones. Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the program. Nicky Pryor's Justin Bourne. Very troubled Sammy McKee. This hour of Real Kipper and Born brought to my bet three, six, five. Sammy, what is going on with our boy, Rick?

Not sure. The thing is, we've had him before. Dolly, you know how to do it. He usually does it from his phone, and we've made fun of him for that for his earthquake tendencies. All you got to do is just put like four books together. But then I think he was maybe trying to do computer,

and that maybe added a new layer of technology that, I don't know. Where are we at up there? Anyone got any news for me? He's nowhere to be fat. Like, we may just have to call. We need like a bat signal for him. I think we're just going to call. Okay, let's just call them.

Okay. Oh, the poor guy. Can we FaceTime him? Oh, sorry, that was on camp. You're asking me? He meant to hit the talkback producer button, but yeah, yeah, we all heard it. Anyway. Garland just scored a nice goal.

He did. The goaltending was sub-grade. That's besides the point. Yeah. Two goals for Connor. That's good. You think there's a chance with that trade? Columbus can squeeze in.

We're watching three-point games again on the weekend between Pittsburgh and Boston. I do think there's a chance Columbus can make it interesting. I just don't see who comes out. Like maybe Boston could. Hey, I was going to ask you, did you see in the NFL Tua, Tegavala,

Tavaola, how I don't know what I say it? Yes. Tua Tua. They're eating 99 million of his salary. 99? They're eating 99 million to let him walk. That's the guaranteed money still coming his way. And the owner's like, that's fine.

I think it's against the cap too for a couple years. I'll pick that up. And like, Cadry almost didn't go because the owner didn't want E1.4 per year. Or five total or whatever. I think we're talking a little different tax brackets between the Miami Dolphins and Calgary. A hundred million dollars.

The owner was like, yes. I'd be like, make him a different position. He works for us. How can people keep their job? Can you try cornerbacks? A hundred million dollar mistake. I just, I think once you cost your boss 100 mil, that's an auto fire. Like 99 is that under the.

You're done. Yeah. Like, listen, we love you. Everything else, every single other move was perfect. But that one cost me a hundred smil. We're good here. Anyway, that's, uh, do you, do you, like, okay, does that, Sammy, when you do that in the NFL, it just completely wipes off your books?

Is that the whole idea? I can't claim to know the intricacies of the NFL CBA. I know it's a bad one for the players. Do you know when you buy a guy like that? Yeah, there's a certain number that, like I think there's this thing called dead cap space or dead cap or it counts against the cap or whatever. And I think a percentage of that will count against the cap for a number of years. Okay.

But the NFL cap keeps going up and fake and you can stretch. Do you think if the NFL offered a player's end of the year one, buyout per year that just was strictly cash on dollar for dollar, but it wipes out off your cap. Owners would do it. I think the Leafs would trade for other teams one spot and then just buy out half their player. Like it could help the system.

You're right. Get things moving. So many times we've seen players frustrated. It was it. Luongo was trying to move for years. There's guys that just get stuck because of their money. There are some talk to. about whether or not

Edmonton could move off of Darnell Nurse's contract. Really? I think something was out there that I don't know if it's just a feeling out process. Someone mentioned Chicago to me as a potential landing spot. Some retention or?

I would imagine there would have to be some for sure. I think it's no different than a Seth Jones situation. That's funny because the money is the same, right? Jones is nine and a half. They retained down to seven and then traded Jones for value. Yeah. They're probably like,

all right, we're ready to be good now. Those are still ways. So here in Toronto, of course, Morgan Riley has got, do you know offhand, Sammy? How many more years Morgan has?

Let me, uh, four. Confirm. Okay. So if I said in my trade board that I didn't believe that there was a market for Morgan Riley, but there was some talk.

that maybe some teams floated the idea. Of course, everything could get revisited in the summer, but if you brought Morgan down to five, if you brought Donnell Nurse to seven and a half, you watched recently the success of Seth Jones. There has to be a market for those guys still. Morgan did that dollar amount. That means you could play them like a second pair guy in 18 minutes

and not against the number one matchups. Maybe you do get some value there and maybe the Leafs can recoup something. That might be one of the ways that that happens. With the cap going up, too, they're probably more inclined to do it. So I can see that happening. Sam, give us a Rick update. We can't get in touch with.

What's that? This is very hard to do on here. All right. Let's just go to our NHL hour stuff and wait for Rick. He does a podcast, right? Yeah, but he goes and sits in the studio. I don't know. What's going on?

I was really looking for it. to Rick. I think we'll still get them. Okay. The boys upstairs are grinding. Can we get an update in my ears? All right. We're good.

All right. Let's talk about that 8-7 hockey in last night. Buffalo Sabers get the win over the Tampa Bay Lightning. We have John Cooper. What kind of mood was he in? To weigh in on that. What do you find out? John Cooper, clip one.

Oh, sorry. Maybe Derek's trying to get attached up there. He's doing multiple things. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay, okay. It's not going to be John Cooper. The next voice through here will not be cute. It's going to be a very different tempo than John Cooper.

Rick Doliewa. Oh, yes. Video, too. And you're steady. Technology. I hate it. And you're steady. I'm an 80s guy.

Hey, I'm an 80s guy. Best decade ever. I hate this stuff. I hate it. All right. We appreciate you doing it anyway. Back in our day. What's going on, my friend?

It's been a while. All I see on Canucks Twitter today, are you ready, Kipper? Yeah, hit me. And born? Fire the coach. Fire the GM. He just got there, please. Fire the president.

There's an article today on Twitter. Is Chris Pronger the next president? This is Vancouver, you know? This is a lot of names. negativity out here, guys. But I got to tell you, honestly, all three of those guys

put Elvina Rutherford got term left, right? This is not an owner who's going to pay three guys not to work for him next year. And those guys come close to what, $5, $6 million in salary. Got to pay OEL still. He doesn't even want to buy

land for a practice facility in near Vancouver. because the land is too expensive. So do you think he's going to pay three guys not to work for him? If you guys owned a business, would you want to pay employees not to work for you, but just pay them anyways? Like, I mean, it's not a good business move. And the OEL pain is not gone, guys.

It's another big one next year, 4.5. So, look, I can see why people want changes. this whole year was supposed to be about win for Quinn. Win for Quinn used. But that was now like, seems like forever ago. So I appreciate the story still out there, but Vancouver fans have had plenty of time

to realize that this is a rebuild and it's going to take time. So why all of a sudden, like, what would be firing these people end up doing for them right now? Kipper, going to 32nd place was not on the template this year. You can't understand. It wasn't supposed to be, they didn't announce in the summer, we're doing a rebuild, we're going to be in 30 second place. They went to 32nd place because a ton of mistakes, Kipper.

This isn't, this wasn't planned. They didn't say in the summer we're going to be, we're going into a rebuild, we're going to be in 30 second place at Christmas. That wasn't the plan. The plan was to win for Quinn. and to keep Quinn Hughes. That's why people are pissed off in Vancouver. It wasn't supposed to be to go to the bottom of the standings. That wasn't a part of the plan.

All right. That was that story, but that wasn't the plan to be 32nd this year. That's why people are pissed off who want to see changes. But hey, at least if it's going to happen, it should happen abruptly, not this painful, slow slide. You're bad.

Here's Gavin McKenna. I mean, that has to be some consolation. Okay. And here's one for both of you. Patrick Alvin's been hip-hoping all over the world. He was in Europe for a couple of weeks. He went to see Ivers, Stenberg. He just spent a week in your province.

He just watched every OHL kid in the first round. You know, Caleb Mahaltry. He saw him twice. Once in Peterborough, once in Bradford. He's working hard. He's working hard. Yeah. Does that sound like a guy that's going to be fired?

If you're going to fire Alvin, would you let him go see Denver? Would you let him spend a week in Ontario as much as beautiful as your province is? Maybe they have them using points. But he's the, Kipper. You didn't mention that he drove. world. You know, does that sound like

No, it does not sound like it. Yes. No, it doesn't sound like he's going anywhere. And by the way,

he saw a Holtera twice. They didn't like him and the other top center is Ty Lawrence at Boston. We don't know

where the Canucks are going to pick one, two or three, but if they are picking three, they got to think Verhof or

maybe a top center. So, but anyways, a lot of negativity in the city today. and, you know, the trade deadline's over, and people just want to get a good top draft pick.

Everybody in the city wants McKenna, but we don't know if that's going to happen, right, guys? Okay, Rick, trade deadline goes, and Patterson's still a Canuck. Did you get a sense of how hard they pushed to move him, what the market was like, and how long will he remain to Vancouver Canuck? Well, I ran to see Kippers' trade.

board every week because Patterson was high on the trade board. I did. I think it's inevitable, buddy. I was sending all your trade boards to J.P. Barry. He was losing it. He always yells at me. I said, don't shoot the messenger. Look, way to sick him on me.

They listed in on Bester, Patterson, DeBrus. They didn't want to retain salary on those guys, Kipper. What team, though, honestly, Kip, could take $11.6 million at the trade deadline without retention? Like, come on. Like, who's got 11.6? So the sense was Calgary was all over that. They ended up putting in 20% for Cadry. Yeah.

I mean, at the draft, they're going to have to move off of that. Kipper, I had one team tell me a couple weeks ago. And if Vancouver can take 2.6 to 3 million in retention on Patterson, they would think about it, right? But, I mean, the trade deadline's not where you add $11.6 million players. They got to get these guys to the NHL draft and July 1st and a beyond Kipper. And if they can do it there, they're going to probably give it the old college try. The other one for you, guys, Connor Garland was easily the guy. guy that had the most interest.

And the reason why is because he had no trade, right? Protection. But I'm going to tell you guys something. Before the Olympic break, the Kinnock told teams we'll listen on Garland, but we don't want to move them. After the Olympic break, this said, we'll listen on them and we're willing to move them. So what

happened? They got to Connor Garland's agent during the Olympic break. They had a nice talk. I'm not saying Garland asked for a trade, but what I am saying, it was mutual, right? I think a lot of agents call their players, and their players called their agents in Vancouver

and had heart to hearts. You saw DeBrusk say in the media, I wouldn't mind going, then he retracted, right? He retracted the comments a couple of days later. So I think a lot of these veterans are probably thinking, you know what, I signed here long term, but nobody told me we were rebuilding. Nobody, nobody told me we were, I got to get Prentice

Pedersen credit, he has not once said, as far as I know, to his agent, get me out of Vancouver. I haven't heard that. I haven't heard that. I have not heard that. Is anything salvageable between that relationship between the fans and Patterson in terms of still believing that this guy can lead us? Well, he signed two years ago for eight years.

The two years, he's gone from a hundred-point guy, Kipper, to 50-point guy. that's not good you're paying 116 for a 50 point guy you can pay 5 million for a 50 point center you don't have to pay 116 they're going to hope and pray if he's not traded he has a good summer

comes back, regains his goal 4 you know I don't know what to say to you guys the guy that scored 100 points and then 89 90 that guy's not here anymore we're not seeing that magic anymore right we're not seeing the magic but they're going to have to hope and pray

if he's here next year. Hey, listen, and if you get a McKenna or a Stedber, those guys are going to need a Stetterman that gets him a puck. You can't have no Stenterman here. It's not going to get a couple of studs like that to puck. Like, there's a lot of things. If they don't have a good Stenerman,

those young kids that are an early age, you know, which ways their development going? Well, you don't want to end up embarrassing, you know. So how far down will they, tear it here like is de brus going to go how many more names off this roster will get stripped before they decide to start building it back up

well their best trade ship was to fill a erroneic right and and his agent came out early and said no Phil said no he's on the short list to be named captain of the Canucks next year

right your best trade chip was Philip Peronic but they want to keep them the other problem is you can't trade every single veteran. You can't play with 21 rookies in a rebuild. No. You need good vets like Kipper to teach the young kids,

you know, how to be a good pro on and off the ice. You can't have 21 rookies. You can't trade all these guys. Listen, they got four picks in the first two rounds. People are going to be so excited by the end of the draft. Okay. Well, they, Kipper, they got 10 picks in the first two rounds. They're going to kill it.

In the next three years. it'll change everything with these new names and reputation. Hey, listen, wherever your camera is right now, your phone, leave it until we talk to you again. Don't touch it. I haven't touched it. Okay? Go get a new phone. Leave that one alone.

Okay? This is the winner. Yep. All right, buddy. Thanks for doing this. I hate technology. Let me get this in. Yeah, buddy.

Alvin said on Friday that he had no offers for Gunger and Kane. I talked to a lot of people on the weekend. I did not get that feel. So guys, guys, are you telling me there's a world where David Kemp gets offers but not Bluger? Blugers won a cup. He's a way better depth center for a playoff team in camp. And you're going to stand up and tell me that you've got to.

no offers. Now I won't tell you, I'll give you the update on Bluger. They want to resign them. And I just talked about you can't trade 10 guys. You can't trade 10 veterans. You can't have 21 rookies here. Bluger's a good vet, off and off the ice.

He does want to resign here. I did hear that on the weekend. So you can't trade everybody. You've got to keep guys like Veronik and Bluger. You know, good pros on and off the ice. You can't just, you can't have 21 rookies. Thanks, Rick.

We got to go, buddy. Thanks, so much. Dolly, appreciate you. Oh, he's just squeezing everything in. Tejadores, blugers. Resigning in Vancouver. We bumped a cadry soundbite for Rick. I feel bad.

We got him up. What? What do you feel bad about? We just kicking somebody out. We had to go. Oh, yeah, we have to go. Sorry about that to Dolly. Appreciate the time.

All right, do we have time for? I thought that's interesting, just the $3 million number. for for peterson to potentially eat but okay let's play cadre oh he's happy see how happy he is well how is that um pretty good pretty good i mean uh emotional just seeing the support i get here it's uh it's absolutely incredible so it just makes me want to play harder for these fans and this team was there a moment when you realize where you were again back on the outside is there a moment that kind of hit you like i'm back yeah uh several times over the last 24 hours i think it's been uh It's been a quick turnaround and certainly something that's out of my comfort zone.

I've never been a deadline guy, but, you know, to come here and play in front of these fans and play with this team is exactly what I could have asked for. A deadline guy. It's interesting to me. I would snuck into a almost. Are there other guys that you would look at as deadline guys or just not deadline guys? Is that like a derogatory term being a deadline guy? Get a little of this deadline guy.

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