Real Kyper & Bourne - Oilers On Top Early + Dallas Dismisses DeBoer

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with reaction to Peter DeBoer's dismissal in Dallas before welcoming in former NHL president, GM and head coach Doug MacLean (5:14) for his Off-the-Rails Friday appearance! Mac gets into the DeBoer news, the Stars' next steps behind the bench and the Penguins' decision to hire first-time head coach Dan Muse. Then, they dive into Cup Final storylines, Panthers concerns after Game 1, Stuart Skinner's resilient play, Sam Bennett's NHL evolution and much more. Finally, Nick and Justin regroup with Sam to discuss the Leafs hiring Derek Lalonde as an assistant head coach and take your calls and questions on The Canada Line!The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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Game two Florida Panthers, Edmonton Oilers. In a few minutes we'll have Doug McLean for his abbreviated version of Off the Rails Friday. It's abbreviated? Well, we're only an hour today. We're abbreviated version of Off the Rails Friday. Is it abbreviated? Well, we're only an hour today. We're abbreviated. We are. Doug is full sentence.

He'll go all day long though still. In fact, we'll say goodbye to him and he'll stay on the call just in case we come back to him. Never know. He stands, you know, I hear from people about the Doug segment and I gotta say Doug talks about people liking the Doug same Segment he's right. Yeah, they do. They really like the Doug's unfortunately very It's like it's maybe the most pop. Yeah, maybe the number one. Okay, I give them that

But we do have an occasional one that Give them that but we do have an occasional one that Says, you know, oh sure get him off Valley segment is extremely popular It's very popular like anything though. Nothing pleases everyone. Yeah, I know no no But there are a few that say he's no good get off the show It's not doing you any good and it's led by his wife Jill Very true a Sammy nice hat. Oh yeah, thanks. Oh, this old thing? Yeah. Yeah, thanks. You went out to the Canadian Open? I did. I went to the RBC Canadian Open yesterday at TPC. I had a really great time. I would say that I was flattered by the amount of people that stopped me. Oh yeah. Really?

I mean it was ridiculous. You're a celebrity now. But they all just wanna ask me. Did you sign autographs? No, but they're all just like, what's Kipper like? That's it. They all just wanna be like, what's Kipper like? The one guy I ran into, I forget his name,

he was like, is Kipper coming this week? I'm like, I don't think they have 15 grand to get him out here, so. Is he as big of a jerk as it appears on the show? Yeah, that sounds better than what I get every time right now is a what's up with Marner? Oh, no, but it was fun. It was a lot of fun. It was a little rainy, but I went around with the Canadian boys yesterday. Saw Mackenzie Hughes make a two on a 497 yard par four. It was pretty cool. He was fired up. He couldn't see it, right?

No, I couldn't see it either. I was like, I was parallel with him in the fairway, but he did a big Wendell Clark fist pump after he jarred it. So it was cool. 497. 497. Two shots. Two shots.

So our Canadians are in good shape though. Yeah, we got a couple near the top of the leaderboard here. Cameron Champ clearly had a really good couple days, but you know, three different Canadians, including a man named Richard Lee, is at the, tied for second, so we're looking good. Taylor Penn. And Rory not so much.

Rory looks like he wants to be on a plane to wherever Oakmont is. Will he? Pennsylvania? Will he meet the media or will he just? Oh buddy, he's on a car. Rory! Out of there, he's gone boys.

Before we get into our Stanley Cup final news of the day, Peter DeBoer, no longer the head coach of the Dallas Stars. He might be the most successful coach record wise over a stretch of 10 years than anyone else to lose his job. I know. He's been on a phenomenal run, including appearances in the conference final with three different teams.

Yeah. And it's not good enough, I guess, today. I guess they beat a very good Winnipeg team and a very good Colorado team and it cost you your job off Series and then they get beat by the Oilers who beat everyone they mopped up Vegas. They mopped up Kings You've got an article just recently posted. Is it up? Not yet. It should be up in an hour So give us the the the gist of. The gist of it is about coaching today

and how the average length of coaching 10 year right now is like two and a half seasons. And how impossible is it to coach with any authority when people know, when the players know you're not gonna be there anyway. Like you're just, every coach is a lame duck coach before they start and it's stupid. Anyway, I know we have Doug and all.

We do, which means a great segue from your comments about a lame duck to one who's been one many, many times. Let's welcome him in now. Lame duck, McLean. Yes, no doubt about that. Do you, where are you? We'll get into the Stanley Cup final for sure, but where are you on on Pete DeBoer and Mac we're talking about a guy that as a

Pretty great record. I mean he has not won a Stanley Cup He's not neither at Paul Maurice as of a year ago just the only thing missing is a Stanley Cup This guy's done conference finals. He's done finals. He's won every game seven I think he's ever been in in playoff history. 629 winning record. But why is he no longer the head coach of Dallas today?

You know, I think there's a few things that, you know, first of all, a couple of tough rounds in the playoffs. Like they played Colorado and they play Winnipeg. Two tough rounds. They looked like a little bit like a very disinterested team in the Edmonton series. I couldn't get over how poorly they executed, whether it was 5 on 5 power play, whatever. And, you know, with that dynamic blue line, I thought I'd see a lot difference. So that, you know, they had a tough goal. Oddinger is starting a new eight-year contract, if I'm not mistaken. And we talked about it last week on the show. I mean what happened post first of all

He goes into the he's in the middle of the plows and he said look the coach can't score goals You don't say that you say that if you're having a beer or you say that with your buddies But you don't say that in a in a scrum in a playoff series. The coach can't score goals The Ottinger debacle was really bad It was bad enough what happened in the timeout and putting them back in. But the way he handled the press conference was ugly. It was really ugly for a star, for a star, a supposed star player. I've heard rumblings that, you know, there's been comments made that you'll never win with Ottinger, you know, by people within the organization

and actually within the coaching staff. Those things cost you your job and you're supposed to, you know, you're expected to win when you're coaching the Dallas Stars with where they are as a franchise. And unfortunate for Peter, I like Peter. He's had a great career. This will be what six teams he's coached. Next will be a seventh, I believe. They, you know, I heard the post season meetings were ugly. They were not good. And whether you like it or not, post season meetings with the general manager mean a lot. They do. And we've seen coaches, how many coaches we had fired the last three years because of

what was said in the post-season meetings. So is this just a simple case of the inmates running the asylum here? So the players all go in and say Pete's too hard on us or, you know, is like, I don't, I don't think it was that. I think, I think Jimmy Nils is sharp guys, a smart hockey guy. Jimmy would have felt that going into the meetings that there was some real unrest within the troops. I would say that. And I'm sure it didn't just pop up in the playoffs. And the other thing that you're, this team was expected to, to really do some damage at playoff playoffs. And the other thing, this team was expected to really do some damage

at playoff time. And you've got an owner that is a guy that's involved. And I've told you guys many times in this show, it's not always the GM who fires the coach. Many, many times it's the owner telling the GM to fire the coach. And I many times it's the owner telling the GM to fire the coach. And I've had it happen to me on a couple of occasions and it's you got no way out of it. So you know what? They just they had no juice in that series against Edmonton. Am I wrong in that? I know give Edmonton full marks, but they had no juice in that. Well, yeah, I mean, my mean my opinion bitter disappointment for sure bitter disappointment

Go ahead. I just want to ask you generally about the idea of coaching in today's NHL Where it feels like the players now have the power It used to be that the coaches be like they wouldn't give the opportunity, the ice time you had to do what they said. Now it kind of feels like you can't criticize the player publicly. I'm with, I'm with JV on this one. I wouldn't say a bad word about any leaf. I'm with you. Are they too soft?

Some of these kids that they can't handle a little bit of a challenge, even if it is public. Yeah, no, I, I would say it's a little different, but I don't think it's that much different. I really don't. I, I think, I don't think you're accurate on that. Like coaches have been fired every two and a half years for how long, you know, for how long? I mean, it happens in it. It happens a little more often because of maybe an ownership change. Maybe that's a little bit of it, the type of owners that we've got now, the pressure

to perform when you've got billion-dollar franchises and many in excess of a billion, a lot in excess of a billion dollars. But this isn't new. I mean, we've watched this in every sport. The coaches get fired every year. There's eight or ten What what about black Monday in the NFL? They fire half the league So I don't think it's that different than it was when I was coaching to be quite honest. I really don't Yeah, I'm not sure on the stats of a Doug like in terms of you know Our coaches fired more quickly, it does feel the thing that hasn't or has definitely changed is the coach's ability to challenge star players,

or at least to speak about it. It just feels impossible that you're not, you know, this Otter thing kills me, Doug. You can't pull a starting goalie, he gives up two on two shots in an elimination game and then say we pulled him because hey he's bad in these games every time that seems pretty fair criticism to me. No I don't have a problem with them pulling them. I have a problem with the commentary post-game. You know you're pulling a guy that's embarrassing to a goaltender enough but you don't have to call him out. have to call him out. And I mean, look, yeah, I didn't like I mean, I'll guarantee you he didn't get fired because of the Ottinger poll. I guarantee it. Was there some a firestorm over the post comments? Yeah, there probably was over that. But you know, I, you know,

coaches, it's, it's, it's tough. It's a racket. And you know, you, you know, coaches, it's, it's, it's tough. It's a racket and you know, you, you know that going in and, and I'm, you know, I'm looking at these guys that get a hot, who got hired in Pittsburgh, somebody fill me in on who he is. Now I know when he coached the Chicago steel in the United States hockey league, but, and I know he's an assistant in Nashville and nine and I'm thinking, I watched the penguins eat up Mike Johnson and spit him out. I forgot about him.

Oh yeah. What? It was before Sullivan, wasn't he? You don't hire Kyle Dubas to get the next John Tortorella. You're trying to find a creative... I'm the last guy that would ever criticize a guy that was paid his dues as an assistant coach and gets a head job. I get that. But I remember Jimmy Rutherford interviewing me for the Pittsburgh penguins job. And he said to me, one of his questions was, what

are you going to do on the bench when Crosby and mall can tell you to F off. Right. That was a question in my interview. I don't think it was probably. Did you answer? Thank you, sir. May I have another thing? You know what? I'll tell you what my answer was. I said, Jimmy, I'll tell you, I'll tell you this right now. Jimmy, they would never tell me to, because I would have, I would have quelled it when I knew it was coming close. I would have squelled it before it happened. Yes. Yes. One more on Dallas Mac, because we, we do have a team that's supposed to be contending and win a Stanley cup as early as next year again. They just signed ranting into that

massive contract at almost a hundred million dollars here What if it is the owner that's you know was needed this change? Where does he go and Jim Neal now? Do they go and get a veteran? Do they go get the next Carberry? Like where do you think this goes? They go to a veteran players coach. That's always what happens. You go from a hard ass to a veteran players coach. That's what you go to.

And that's what Jimmy, Jimmy Nill Jimmy's Jimmy Nill is a is as good a hockey manager as it within the NHL. He's going to do his homework. And I think he'll make the right call here and make the right decision. And you know, I mean, like there's some still I mean, I've watched some of the guys getting hired, there's still some pretty quality veteran guys out there that that haven't got jobs. And I suspect that's the route Jimmy will go. Hey, look, Jim Nils got to win too. Jim Nils not getting fired if they don't win the Stanley Cup next year, but Jim Nils wants to win with this group bad.

And he knows his owner wants to win and he knows his fan base. And there's lots of pressure to win in Dallas to say the least. So, I mean, it'll be a thorough search and I think Jim will will make the right decision. He's that I think he's that solid a hockey guy. Good to go into the comp finally. And it won't be like the Pittsburgh hire. Won't be Dan Muse. Well, and look, I think Dan, look, Dan Muse has paid his dues.

Anyway, can you just one more add? No, no, no. Can you think of a bigger challenge for a rookie like that head coach to go in there and you still have Malkin and Crosby and Lactang? Does Sid really want to now break in a new puppy? want to now break in a new puppy? I would say knowing Sid, he won't say a word, but he would be shaking his head right now more than I'm shaking my head. All right.

Does that answer your question? Yeah, it does. It's not ideal for sure with those veterans. Oh, no, it's tough. It's a tough job for the for a first-time head coach and look the kid has paid his dues he's a quality hockey guy I'm sure but this is a tough gig and and listen don't ever think it's comfy and cozy in Pittsburgh because the Fenway group are not overly excited right now about

what's transpiring in Pittsburgh they They saw their seat, they saw their fan base dwindled dramatically. They've got a, they paid what a ton of money for this team. They did not expect this to be going on. And this team is a long way in my opinion, from being competitive. All right. Onto the Stanley cup final game one, Oilers in overtime, Connor McDavid to Leon Dreisaitl. Was that game indicative of what you expect

the rest of the way? Well, they've got to, Florida have got to win tonight because I simply don't see them winning four of the last five. I know it happens, I get that, but I don't see that happening against Edmonton this year. I don't see that happening against Edmonton this year

I don't see them winning four or five and look I thought Florida held dry silent McDavid Solid for the first period and a half. I really did I thought oh this there's not a lot of room out there for these guys Right now they're really they're really shutting them down to a to a point. And then we saw the star power take over. I mean, I thought that that winning goal from from the play from Bouchard at the point to Perry's play to McDavid's play to dry side will be in there. I mean, it was just a spectacular play. And they've got a lot of I'm blown away by Perry.

I'm sorry. This guy's 40 years of of age and what I'm watching him do is spectacular He's been until dry side old McDavid took it over. He's been one of their better players. I'm blown away I'm a little concerned with Florida and I'll tell you why I Didn't is I'm thinking is Kachuk and Reinhardt injured. I I'm thinking is Kachuk and Reinhardt injured. I mean watching them in that game, I didn't see anywhere close to the way those two guys have performed in playoff games in the past. I thought both of them looked like they were, I mean, I hate to say this, but it looked to me like they're playing hurt.

And I didn't see anywhere near the game from Kachuk. Did you guys notice that? I mean, no, I know it's, I know it's a late game for you guys, but I, you know, I Speaker 3rd 3rd 4.50 compared to what we've seen in the past, based on the time that he had off since the four nations tournament and a lot of mixed messages on how bad his injury was and whether or not he needed any type of surgery or not to rectify it I'm actually surprised he's he's hung in there this long I agree I mean look there's no denying that and that's what I'm concerned has it come back to affect

them a little bit right now because he's that effective a player Bennett on the other hand was right there with McDavid and Dryside with the I mean I'm watching this guy play the other night he was going through people around people I mean I'm watching thinking oh man is this guy on top of his game right now like I've never seen him it was unbelievable performance by Bennett in that game so look it's the big question is still, is Skinner going to keep it going? He's been really good. He doesn't deserve me questioning that, but that's still in the back of my mind. Is he going to be able to get through it? And by the

way he's playing right now, he is. And I picked Edmonton to win. And that's with no disrespect to the Panthers because they play a hard, hard game. As far as Skinner's concerned, doesn't any goaltenders play go up incredibly, higher when the guys in front of you are making less mistakes or less gambles and the breakdowns Mac that we've seen out of I couldn't hear you Newman's bark and you be quiet be quiet Newman Newman okay okay usually it's

Jill yelling at you it's it's not it's not Newman from the show. It's Seinfeld. He was named after Paul Newman. Yeah, go ahead. At the end of the day, isn't Skinner just a better goalie because the mistakes that we've seen in the past out of Evan Bouchard or nurse or the high-risk plays are no longer there to derail a 60 minute game for them? No, they have really played, they have grown as a playoff style team in these playoffs. There's no denying that. They're playing solid defensive hockey. They're not giving up a whole lot.

I agree, it's they're playing low risk hockey right now. Even the high risk guys have bought in because they know how important it is. And they saw, they saw themselves get down three nothing last year. So I, I'm with you and Skinner has made some absolutely great saves. You know what? I, I love watching a goaltender who fights till the bitter end in the crease, who will go down battling in the crease. And that's what Skinner does for me. He will fight till the bitter end to make a save. And I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm really impressed

with him. I really am for what he's had to overcome. It's unbelievable how well he's performed. Did you think that Sam Bennett fell on him on purpose? Do you think that goal should have been overturned? I suspect he didn't stop falling on him. It was almost a little bit. It's almost a little bit. If you're going through the crease, why not elbow the goalie in the head or fall on him? Why not? I mean, I had good friends that used to do that. Oh, yeah? I've heard of had good friends that used to do that. Yeah, I've heard of them.

And then, and some of them, that's the most famed. That's one of their most famous for some guys I know. Between game two tonight and however more games that we see in this series, please tell me the next time he touches a goalie, no matter what conditions like he's getting he's getting penalty yeah he looked at the blue paint he can I get away with another one how did this guy become so fierce I I just am blown away by it I mean I am and I mean like I mean I remember him early in his career. Yeah. No, he didn't do that. Oh, I'm sorry. I mean, no chance. I don't only interferences. I mean,

if there had been a cliff there, I don't think he would have fallen off. You know, for, for, I don't think he gets enough credit for hockey IQ as well. Like you watch him along the wall. You watch him hold on to pucks. He doesn't throw them away. There's limited turnovers with him. He makes safe plays. Like he's, he's come a long way.

Like this is not, this is not Brad tree livings, Sam Bennett and Calgary. No, it sure is. This is not Brad tree livings, Sam Bennett and Calgary. No, it sure isn't. And I'll tell you, there's very seldom do you see guy get traded and grow with the team like the way Bennett has grown into this team and with this team. And, and, and I would be nervous that he'll never be able to he has fallen into a team that is absolutely perfect for him perfect for him and replicating it with another organization will not be easy okay so in other words don't waste your money this summer just give them I would suggest giving them nine instead of ten uh Florida now. Okay. Yeah.

Florida's Florida's got to get him signed. Now I'm hearing a lot of he doesn't take but we're offered. Yeah, right. He's he's a pretty important hockey player on this team. Let's not kid ourselves. He is one of the main cogs in that hockey game. You think his game will age well like over an eight year deal or does that even matter if he's good now? You know, the way it doesn't matter because, you know, you

just buy the guy out who cares? It's only money. They just buy guys out like what a joke. That's become the biggest joke in hockey. Speaking of age and well, like, did I miss some Brock Nelson? Did he have a good year this year? No, I tried to make this point the other day. No one wanted to hear it. Like seven and a half. So I'm John Tavares in Toronto and I'm seeing Brock Nelson get seven and a half for three

years. Like seriously guys. I mean to me it's not even close. But John wants to stay in Toronto and he's not, Brock has not made over a hundred million dollars in his career like Tavares and it's like apples to oranges right now, unless Tavares says I will play the market. Yeah. So what's he going to get? Five times three? Yeah. I wrote an article for the star. I wrote an article for the star and I said, listen, if it's three, four, five, what really matters to the leafs is what kind of security you're going to give him moving forward

He's been accustomed to a no movement clause, but could you give him that again on a three-year deal or Do the leafs have to get tougher with these clauses mac? Yeah, I I I don't I wouldn't go with the clause at all I would offer him three times five and hope that he takes it. I mean, look, again, it's not the end of the world if they have to buy him out, is it? If they give him a four-year deal and they buy him out the last year, is that the end of the world? Because as I said last week, you can't lose a 107 point player and a 38 goal score and think

you're going to be a better team next year. I'm sorry. I know the geniuses in Toronto think that Mariner, you know, they've got to get rid of them, they've got to do this. I've said many times, be nervous giving up really good hockey players. They're not easy to find. They're not easy to find. Tavares could be valuable if the Leafs maintain their status as one of the better teams in

the Eastern Conference, but if it does go south, he can flip them for a first-rounder, no different than Boston did with Marchand. Big time. So is there any conversation with Marner on a sign and trade, or is that out the window? What is a sign and trade? You want a third-rounder, a fourth-rounder for him? I, I would try to get a prospect in a draft. I try to get something instead of let them walk out the door for nothing. I know. Like that's what it, that's what a sign and trade is, but it is not a game changer Mac. At the end of the day, it's not a game changer. The prospect don't, when you don't have, when, when you have very, first of all, you got no draft picks and you get very few prospects and you

don't make an extra prospect with a B plus prospect to see you're not getting blue chip. Yeah, maybe not. But also if you're the player going to that team, you want to reach in your future team? I just think it's a joke that this guy is walking for nothing. I think it's a complete joke. That you lose a franchise player for absolutely nothing. Are you kidding? 700 point guy and you're losing them for nothing. It makes no sense. The other one that doesn't make any sense even more for me as Brock Besser, like to hear that, well, we could, we could, we couldn't get a first rounder for him. And if you knew there was

a chance that you were going to lose them for nothing, at least the Leafs were contemplating keeping him just for the run in the playoffs. Vancouver didn't even have a run. Your excuse. Hey, listen, I'm going to tell you something right now. I've learned a valuable lesson in my radio career. Okay? Or whatever this is. I'm never mentioning GQ Magazine again. Oh no! I've never mentioned the hockey news again.

And I'm not saying anything negative about Vancouver again. Because I paid a big price in the last week. Oh really? Like what the hell, leave me alone. I was joking. No, no, no. Keep the attention on Mac, please everybody. Yeah, that's better. Don't take your foot off the pedal. Yeah, Brock Besser, like seriously. I mean, I'm looking at Van Goon and I'm like, oh man, this is getting frightening watching

what's going on there. I get Brock as probably, I know not the best 200 foot player out there, but he can like 30 goals is worth something. He's a legit 30 goal scorer. You know, these guys like the Toffolis, do you know how valuable they were with teams because they can score goals? Such a good point. That's actually a really good comparable.

If you're at Bessers camp, you're like, he just needs to shoot it in the net for you. That's it. That's right. And I mean, look, there's been abundance of teams looking. And I don't know what kind of money he's looking for. That's always another story. But anyway, the other thing that we gotta give Edmonton credit, just jumping all over

the map here is, and you guys said it to me before, but wall wallman, a Klingberg, a Klingberg to two big, two big players for them right now to two and Kenny Holland bringing in at home last year, I mean from Nashville, those are three and, and boot shirt has settled down and calmed down and has become a horse back there. So their blue line is much, much better than it was last year. Yeah. Really underrated last year. Yeah. Hey, so what's it like out in the Maritimes? We know you're back home.

I teed it up. I teed it up. I don't care about your golf game. I don't care. And I had, I had a 90 with two seven X's. Do you know what a seven X is? I know. Curious. I was going to suggest a shirt size, but I couldn't, I didn't want to be mean. Seven X is when you're playing a pair of five and you tell them you got a seven and they look at you and I say, no, it's a seven X. No further questions, your honor. So, so like how, how are maritime hours with the oilers? Like they're it's Boston, Montreal and Toronto, right? Traditionally, how they feel about the oilers.

You know what? I don't get around a lot, you know, but I, I think they're just happy that a Canadian team is in. I really, I think that's the number one thing they're thinking about. And I think, yeah, they're cheering for them. I think it's positive that a Canadian team is in it's good for Mark Carney too. It's it's, you know, when he practiced with them late in the season, he probably is, he'll be taking credit that he got them going because he was in goal. Cause I remember him at Harvard when he played goal, he was a third goalie there. Who tells anybody that the third goalie, just say you're there.

All right, Mack enjoy game two. I gotta let you go now. Hang up. Right? When we, when we say goodbye to you, is this, if it ends in four, is this show over? We're on no, no, no, we're, we're even more July guys. Thanks a lot for having me on July. No, I'm serious. You're on till July. Okay. Perfect. That's great. I love it. Thanks, man.

All right. The one, the only Doug McLean. All right. I didn't go too long today. Can we now we'll do it after the break. It's game time. Presented by bet three, six, five. This is the app, play the stars and find out why it's never ordinary at bet three, six,

five, best 19 plus Ontario only please play responsibly. Game time is there by bet three six five visit the app flight of stars and find out why it's never ordinary at bet Three six five us 19 plus until only please play responsibly Pretty even on the money line tonight between these two teams as you would imagine minus 115 for the Edmonton Oilers minus 105 for the Florida Panthers bet 365 Obviously feels how important of a game this is for the Florida Panthers You're gonna get their best effort tonight you would imagine so that line makes some sense now. I wanted to look up oh boy, I've lost it here where the

The cons my odds are I'm cause Okay, and this is interesting to me and this is a guy I want to talk about maybe a little bit more after I break No The Panthers are not mentioned Okay, and this is interesting to me and this is a guy I want to talk about maybe a little bit more after I break. No, the Panthers are not out of this playoff series. They've lost one game. They could absolutely win and there is nobody that has been more playoffy than Sam Bennett and Sam Bennett right now and this may be the best time to bet it is plus 1400 I'll be the to be great to be the cons my trophy winner and listen I

Anticipate that the others gonna win the series. I picked them to win in five But if the cats do end up winning, it's not Bob It's not bark of is there at 14 to 1 as well, but Broski's plus 450 So they think he's way better but to me and it's to me if the Panthers do come back in this series It's 100% Sam Bennett. So 14 to 1 is a good number. Oh All Bennett needs is like another goal or two and to win it Yeah, and then you say hey, I had four goals in the final or whatever and you know Led playoffs and goals and he's also the soul of what they do right physical hard ball in the goalie

injured the goalie Injured somebody and the last the last thing I'll give out tonight for points Give me Leon dry saddle to have two points at plus one ten Anyways, you know I would bet but I would bet Oilers to win and also Florida to score like four plus it's going one of two ways Yeah, oilers are gonna win or Florida's just gonna do their thing anyways that was game time presented by bet three six five visit The app latest odds and find out why it's never ordinary at bet three six five months 19 plus Ontario only please play responsibly Okay, we'll take a quick break and when we return more line, what's that? Canada line? We got Canada line

And we'll talk about it. All right and a few Tidbits that we got out of the combine a little bit with the tidbits. Yeah a little bit. What were you kidding? Just some talk about teams interested in certain players. I love that. Okay, that's good I also am here to report that the Lane Lambert fired for his staff Dave Lowry, who's an assistant coach in Seattle, and Steve Brear, who was the goalie coach in Toronto when I was there. He's been in Seattle the last couple of years.

So new staff over there. Wow. I should say Jason Botterill fired, because I'm sure Lane didn't do it himself. OK, that and more when we return to real Kipper and born the best blue J show out there. Period. Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're on the air. The Kipper House, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee, Real Kipper and Bourne is a reminder this hour Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet 365.

All right, Sammy, what do you got for us? I'm just quickly watching Nick Taylor 23 foot birdie attempt to get to one back. Oh my god. These guys are good burn and edges. He looks good out there right now. Um Canada line is brought to you by Miscouca Bay Resort a top-ten ranked Canadian course part of the Freed Golf Network And we have a lot to get to here So I'm gonna play a couple calls and then we're gonna get to some other stuff after including the lease signing a very familiar face as a Assistant coach, but we'll get to that after the car Lyle. Let's go Let's go to Colton from Colona. Hey k-town sup

That's the old That's the old Nick Taylor clip you're watching. It's no joke. The alerts have invaded the far west coast, and we are surrounded by them. All the Canuck fans have barely endured the hardships of this past season, but now we have to watch Joe Blow from the Duke, Alberta, drive down Harvey Avenue with their flags waving from their trucks. People are literally carving the oil logo out of their own lawn for the playoffs. But don't forget you Canuck fans, our time will eventually come. Also, shout out to our hometown hero

Borny, let me know and I can get you tickets for the upcoming Memorial Cup this season in Kelowna. We'll love to see a Vipers legend back in the Okanagan. Anyway boys, keep up the good work and go Canucks go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go next year. Are you gonna go? Well it's in Kelowna, I gotta right? Yeah, when was the last time I was there? Like five, seven years ago? Back when Josh George's, I think they won it back in the day didn't they? No idea. Early 2000s? No idea. Yeah, probably been 20 years. It's the place to be though. It's awesome. I would love to be there Also, you know the whole Canucks fans this yeah the cow

Yeah, I mean your time the Edmonton yeah, and also having the Edmonton fans who like they own your franchise now Yeah, they're cheering hard against them. Oh, yeah, Gretzky owned them too. They're not coming around like you. No, no, it's different The Habs or Ottawa in the final I ain't coming around no so Sammy maturity out there. Let's quickly do one more Von in Calgary diehard least fan Whole life forty some years old now. Just wanna say Sammy, love the past and doing a great job. Borny, great to see you on HNIC. Nick, not sure, I don't know what to say about you,

but clear the thing. I drove up to Evan's for game one. You just did. And of the finals here. And I turned to my wife at the end of the game and I said, this is what superst my wife at the end of the game and I said This is what superstars look like when they play the game Yeah, and it just pisses me off so much more that we got these guys in Toronto that this don't show the passion like You got superstars. That's what they do. They come through and it matters and I've been sitting there going into overtime thinking

Edmonton is gonna win and then I thought to myself if this was Toronto I'd be thinking we're gonna lose. So that's the difference we gotta find some players like that. Okay bye. Here's what I'll say. I do think that it's unfair to anyone to compare them to Dry Settle and McDavid. Well but it hasn't been because Matthew's won the heart trophy and we did the, you know. But he hasn't improved like Dry Settle has improved and he hasn't improved like McDavid has improved.

The point he's making is that it's not necessarily, you know, just winning the Stanley Cup, it's just showing that passion and emotion that champions have. And that's a regular occurrence when the team lifts the trophy. And that's not what he saw out of his leafs. You know, last night, or sorry, Wednesday night,

Mikala's in Dry Cytle's face, whatever, and Dry Cytle, like, look him stone in the eye and give him one in the beak, and then they go their separate ways and it's no big deal. And it's nice that he's able to do that. He doesn't care. He doesn't worry about it. He doesn't think about it.

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I think that helped a lot. Oh, no, it's it's Historically, this is what coaches do that's out of work. They go on TV Just like to remind everyone I still exist They go on TV. Just like to remind everyone I still exist Did it all those years or sports net Did it or Marie's towards like the list goes on on talk it Talk huge. Yeah, you just keep building it up and you hope someone buys your funny But you're selling because the more you hear these guys talk You more the more you learn that they don't have a lot of unique

Insights and not I'm not talking about LaLonde, but like they're thoughtful guys likeable guys, whatever they have an angle But like there it's not revolutionary the way that they approach the game necessarily So this is to replace Lane Lambert who's now the head coach of the Seattle crack and the squids Yeah so yeah and LaLonde knows how to beat the Tampa Bay Lightning Because he made sure everybody knew right right so the rest of the never ever lose again to Tampa Bay That's helpful. You know I do like the idea that you get a guy who's been a head coach in the league got some experience you know, it's a

Wonder who he's going to who he is this point. You know he now He's built up a little bit of a you know following in a personality You think they let him speak to the media would you let him speak to the media? Of course? I would this is one of my biggest complaints how this guy's been a head coach. He's thoughtful and broody I'm gonna hurt you He hates talking Let your assistants come out and give some thoughts. Let's hear it. That will be interesting to see under Pelley

if they do change the sort of the assistant coach mentality, because they've never let the assistant coaches talk. They're so afraid of like a little disagreement or. Something interesting? Yeah. I don't think I'd let them talk. No?

What's the harm? The harm is. A slightly different message. Oh well, we'll get it right in a corrective statement then. A little bit, yeah. interesting yeah I don't think I'd let them talk no that's the harm a little bit yeah you know at least you get another angle keep it fresh you can kind of twist things a little bit you're not doing rocket science though you know rocket appliances media will pounce on anything that looks especially Don't talking about you. It depends if it it's followed you know the comments are followed by like a four game losing streak then you kind of have the ability to Then Willie goes on he says what's the big deal and then you just go in a four game winning streak

Unless it's the end of the season and your three game losing streak knocks you out. That's true since we're doing Leafs now I and I'm going full Johnny leaf fan here, but I Want the least overpaid Bennett bad you're ready. Oh, I'm all in I'm all in I'm watching him on that ice with those guys and Florida I mean like you said like Mac said Reinhardt maybe not healthy Kachuk maybe not healthy yeah but like Bennett jumps off the ice he's their best player by far I don't see him leaving Florida well please leave and come to Toronto and guide them through please he really was awesome awesome one and the leafs ares, is that they're an around, not through team.

There is no bigger hole punch of a player than this guy. He can go around or through. Bleeding armrest off my chair here. What's going on? Do you believe that Brock Nelson, who just signed. So he's just not leaving. And the lack of center iceman available will just get teams to overpay him.

I think it probably is gonna affect things. What do you expect to happen here? It seems like you have some insight. No, I just think he stays. I think he stays, I think Ekblad stays, and Marchand's gone. Marchand's gone? Yeah. To the Leafs? What do you think? That's more of a realistic. By the way, can I whisper this so everybody loves Marchand's gone. Marchand's gone? To the Leafs? What do you think?

That's more of a realistic. By the way, can I whisper this so everybody loves Marchand? That's more realistic. That dry settles his on the back door. That Brad Marchand ends up signing and playing wing for, with Matthews is more realistic than Bennett. What about both?

They'd be so playoffy if that happened. They're just two years till they're just not yeah. Yeah. Guess if you want to throw the 12 and a half his way because that's that's what's I think it's going to take for him to leave Florida. Twelve and a half, come on. Come on, Kipper. 10, 10, 10. He's only eight in Florida. 12 and a half is just a- Florida's not losing him at eight million, are they? So are they?

You know, I don't, I don't know. So the Leafs are gonna have to pay Sam Bennett more than Miko Ranton to get him. Come on. Come on. Listen, get off, you gotta get off the number and get into the- I thought the taxes don't matter, Kipper.

No, in this case it does. Oh, in this case. In this case it probably is. I proved those goalposts. You're gonna leave a Florida where there's one beat writer and nobody ever says a bad word about you to come up here. Okay, great. You've won two cups there and there's 15 people

at the elbow room after you won the cup. Do you wanna come here and be a hero. You've won two cups there and there's 15 people at the elbow room After you won the cup Do you want to come here and be a hero or do you want to stay down there and be anonymous? How many heroes have they had in the past? 50 plus years the Leafs. Yeah, maybe you're the guy. What if you're the guy? That's why guys keep signing here What if you're the what if you're the guy? I think he stays and they they find eight million dollars to give him. I Mean, yeah, of course they'd pay me eight million eight million eight million is a no brainer a lot of other places ten plus 14 in Toronto though

Cost of living maybe more than McDavid, but he drives Sighted all this drives a golf cart out of his driveway. They all have golf carts down there. Say Darcy, Darcy Tucker's cash and paychecks, you know, 30 years after his career, cause it's cause he's a leaf. These guys play the short game. They're like, Oh, I'll save 1 million bucks in taxes this year. Darcy never made a hundred million dollars. These guys will finish with a hundred million dollars. They don't need anything past their careers. So the argument is now money doesn't matter because it seems like you're making a money argument. I'm making what it could potentially take for them to want to leave Florida.

That's all. That's my whole point. I just think if you are looking at money, it's the dumbest thing to be like, oh, in Toronto, it's going to cost me an extra million. It's like, yeah, go be the dude in Toronto. N lechari got a cookie sponsorship here You know you make a Was a soup guy. He couldn't he couldn't stick handle. They're like how about the soup? I'm sorry to go Aubur is playing this like I would I'm watching. Oh my god Anyways, would you they squirrel in the goal?

It's Friday. We're off the rails Marco Sturm is a Bruins coach is yeah exciting Yeah, I don't think there's a ton of pressure on him in the next year to contend It feels to me like the Bruins are like two years two years three years to regroup It feels like they're starting to get lost in the wilderness. Nick Haig, I heard Pittsburgh and Montreal. Pittsburgh would be a good fit. Lot of interest.

Montreal's pretty good on D. Someone like Haig would be really good for them. Those are both good options. Brock Nelson signing means that probably Charlie Coyle, who's got another year left on his deal would be moved out of Colorado Oh, do you think so? Yeah, what about that for the Leafs? I like that He might be available. No Our Matthews Tavares coil coil Tavares never look at his playoffs. That's never scores never stick That's all you fit right in like I honestly think he's you know scores in playoffs Easton Cowan who scores in playoffs Sam Bennett

Okay so both teams have shown the ability in the playoffs to Good year and overcome to nothing deficits could the Florida Panthers overcome a to nothing deficit Doug thinks not Yeah, is it a big deal if Florida goes home? Could the Florida Panthers overcome a two nothing deficit? Doug thinks not. Yeah. Is it a big deal if Florida goes home down two nothing? Yeah, they're toast. Okay. They're toast. All right.

I kind of agree with you. Tonight is the biggest must win they could possibly have. All right. Florida Panthers, Edmonton Oilers. Pre-game starts at 7.30. Puck drop 8 p.m. Sportsnet CBC. Our thanks to off the rails Doug McLean, who's still on the line. Hi Doug. It's very possible.

Go home, it's over. Don't you remember that in Ferris Bueller, right? When he looks and says, go home, the movie's over. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Have a great weekend, everybody.