Real Kyper & Bourne - Oilers' Stanley Cup Aims + Ullmark All In

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

Edmonton Oilers analyst Rob Brown (3:55) joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to discuss the team's hopes for a second consecutive run to the Stanley Cup Final, the x-factors for the 2024-25 season, which areas of the lineup they could improve in and expectations for Connor McDavid. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee look around extensions across the league including Linus Ullmark's fresh new contract with the Ottawa Senators and Carter Verhaeghe's long-term deal with the defending Stanley Cup champion Panthers.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliate.

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the Winnipeg Jets and the Edmonton Oilers, the Calgary Flames and the Vancouver Canucks. Triple header right here. Well, not technically a triple header. On Sportsnet. Not technically a triple header. What does that mean? That games have to follow each other? A triple header was yesterday when they started a game

at 1-3. Do we have three games? Don't semantics this thing up. Do we have three games on the network? A triple, we do. But one of them is on a different channel. One of them is like I put in the lineup. One of them is on Sportsnet 1. One of them is on Sportsnet Nationally.

So, they're not in the same. Anyways. Semantics. A triple header is when they go in a row. That's why you start a game at 1.30 p.m. and then it goes into 7 and then it goes into 10. And how about our boy Razor yesterday? You see that?

Depends on what you mean. Ray Ferraro. You see what he did? No. He was on the call for the first game and he was on the call for the last game. He flew. He did the game in Seattle.

Really? And then he went to Utah and did the game in Utah. I saw him doing the game in Utah. Yeah, he did both games. Wow. Are you allowed to call that a doubleheader for him? No, that's a... Well, it wasn't technically back-to-back.

This is technically a division of games. We are a nationally broadcast radio show. We have to get the facts right here, boys. It's not a tripleheader tonight. We're a detail show. Tech time. Technically, if I had Char a stick right now, I'd bop you over the head.

Fair enough. Technically. That's fair. I agree. Okay, okay in a few minutes we're going to welcome in rob brown and we'll talk to him about the thought uh of the edmonton oilers getting back to a stanley cup final and maybe winning their last game he's going to join us in a few minutes uh plenty around the national hockey league also to get into but just before we get to to rob you're just your overall thoughts because we did some predictions on sportsnet.ca and i saw the list of everybody picking the edmonton oilers to win the Stanley Cup. And I'm telling you, if there was 20 of them, like 18. There's only three people who didn't pick the Oilers to win the Cup at Sportsnet. You pick them? I did.

You were one who didn't. I was one that didn't. Yeah. You used to like to swim upstream. Who'd you pick? Florida, right? Yeah. In fairness, no one sees what anyone else picks.

And what reason do you have to not pick the Oilers it's like they went to game seven they got better players Florida got a bit worse to me people overthink the hell out of this it's like that's going into the year that's the favorite I do think it's noteworthy that coaches for like playoff series or March Madness do everything they can do to be the underdog. Oh, yeah. You do not want to be painted as a favorite. Remember Nick Saban used to be like,

those guys are like when we're in Alabama. He keeps doing it for years in Toronto. He's like, well, it's Buffalo. We all know no one can hang with their speed. What? They can't? So, I'm saying it's a tough spot to come from to be the favorite. You're not, you know, anything having to do with Conor McDavid and Leon Dreisaddle.

It is hard to go against them. You're the favorite. All right, let's bring him in. Rob Brown. Done a great job the last few years following this team and joining us here on Real Kipper and Born. Brownie, how's it going, buddy? What's going on? How are you?

It's going very well. It was a short summer for us. Oh, yeah. We're kind of excited to get back. Hopefully it's another one. We were just speaking seconds ago about every analyst picking the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup. So, you know, regardless of what your pick is, if I asked you, give me one reason why the Edmonton Oilers won't win the Stanley Cup what would be a the top of your head uh the expectation that they're supposed to oh that's interesting

it just I mean there's all the pressure in the world on them we saw that last year to start the season a lot of people pick them be final four if not go to the final and when things didn't go right it was like the sky was falling out here. The players did not look like themselves after the first beating by Vancouver. Coach had to lose his job. A goalie had to lose his job. And eventually they got it straightened out because they're a very, very good hockey club.

But the expectations are, right now there's not a hope in Edmonton that they win the Stanley Cup this year. There's an expectation that they're going to win the Stanley Cup. And that's a heavy burden to carry, especially when you run into a rough patch. The pressure. I mean, I know that Toronto is a very tough media market. Well, so is Edmonton. And this is a fan base that is tough on its players.

When things aren't going well, it's tough out here. And there is this expectation that mid to late June, this Oiler team will be carrying the Stanley Cup around the arena. And anything less than that will be considered a failure. And that is a very tough mountain to have to climb when you've got an entire city and province on your back yeah no there is some weight there but i i do think that they have the advantage of uh having really good players you know they get to they get to go into this season i feel like you

know the core of that team and the engine that drives it we know what it is how do you feel about what they have taped on to the outside um of this edition of that group well i think first of all annette you're sad i think stewart skinner is a fantastic young goaltender that this guy's supposed to be a backup still they signed jack campbell here this guy's supposed to be a backup and instead he's won i don't know how many seven or six playoff series in the last couple years he's gone to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals and was good in Game 7. He's just going to continue to improve. Up front, I love the Arvidsson signing.

He was the LA Kings' best player against the Oilers every time they played them. The fans here at Edmonton are going to fall in love with the way he plays, and he's going to give Leon a guy that he can consistently play with. They need more out of Jeff Skinner than what we saw in the preseason, but he's a guy that scores 30 goals every year, so the expectation is he will find it. Up front, they're very good, and you've got the two best players in the world. So you're safe.

Where are the Oilers? The expectation I gave you is my answer why the Oilers wouldn't win the Stanley Cup. The other answer is on the back end. You've got an incredible number one pairing in Ekholm and Bouchard. Fantastic. Bouchard, he might score 90 points. He might score 100 points this year. He's that good.

Ekholm is all world. But they have Bernal Nurse coming off an off year. You've got a number four defenseman that's played 30 games in his career. Kulak is a nice number five and then you got a number six uh dermot who's playing tonight who was part of a phoenix team that there's problem with their team last year was their defense and the others have three of those defensemen in their team this year so uh they this team we had to talk about it last night in our show if there's two big storylines this year for the Oilers to have success,

to me it's Darnell Nurse and Stuart Skinner. I think those will be two huge keys if the Oilers want to win a Stanley Cup. Is it just a foregone conclusion that this lineup, regardless of how you think of the Pacific and how much of a push there be for the Oilers to not win it from Vegas, but outside of that, like not much. But this isn't the roster that's going to win the Stanley Cup, that this is just to get to a trade deadline,

find out how much money you have to work with, and then eventually plug up some holes here. 100%. And I think you saw some cap juggling over the last couple days with the signing of Dermott, the bringing up Savoy from the Miners so that they get something to do

with his bonus in there. And now then they put Evander Kane on LTIR so they can accumulate a huge amount of money to take into the deadline and get what they need. I don't think... I honestly don't... The Oilers' defense is not as good today

as it was in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. I think it's taken a step back, and I think the Oilers probably realize that too. They have an unknown in Emerson playing with Darnell Nurse, and they had a tryout PTO guy in their third pairing. But what they're going to do is they're going to find out over the next four months uh what emerson's capable of do they need

a number four defense and they probably do do they need a number six defenseman do they need more toughness on the back end uh is cory perry good enough is your fourth line guy going into the playoffs or do you want a big penalty killer a big physical guy in that line so this is not a finished product but it's also a product that has connor and leon and hyman and nugent hopkins and arvidson and any vander kane possibly coming back at playoff time is uh is it's funny when i talk about all these teams like the leafs in particular that we do here you know tons of skill and everyone's like ah they're not enough. They don't have enough heavy guys or whatever. The Oilers don't really have that either.

They're not, you know, pulling around Ryan Reeves or Arbor Jack guy. Is that something that this team needs to protect some of these guys throughout a long season? See, I don't see enough of the games out east. Games out west, the Oilers have been the bullies for the last number of years. They've been the most physical of the games out east. The games out west, the Oilers have been the bullies for the last number of years. They've been the most physical of the teams, and

normally led by Evander Kane, but also in preseason, I don't know if you saw how many games, Connor McDavid was running guys. Like, literally running guys over. It used to be when Kipper and I played that your skilled players were smaller, and you would target

them. I don't know how many teams are targeting trying to run over connor or trying to run over leon it's it's right it's like grats it's like okay can you hit them can you actually catch them can you put them in a vulnerable position the answer is no no no yeah love to hit them can't get to them yeah there's a game planned let's go get the the big skilled guys well you bounce off them and they're more physical so i most teams if they put their big physical guy out against car or out on the ice the others are putting connor and leon on the ice against them yeah they'll eat them up yeah yeah so there's not a fear and the others have the great uh their team toughness is their

power play you want to do something stupid against us, we're going to go out and score a goal. And I think that's the biggest thing to deter teams from being too physical. But the NHL is not a physical league like it used to be. I mean, the Oilers just went through a preseason. Carter McDavid could play five games. You never played your stars before in the preseason. You're always fearful. The other team's got four or five fighters on the other team.

It wasn't like that. So I think come playoff time, you want bigger, heavier players. But the Oilers' star players are bigger, heavier players. And I think that's one advantage they have. I mean, the Florida Panthers, look at their star players. Kachuk, Barkov, you know, big, strong. Ekblad, guys that are big, strong, you don't get pushed around.

I think the teams whose best players are physically bigger have an advantage come playoff time because it's a long stretch and you're constantly being pounded and pounded, but they can accept it. So I don't think team toughness is going to be an issue for the Oilers. So I'm not sure if you caught the Amazon series and saw Connor, just the old dig in line from Connor. You saw that probably. I've seen,

I've seen that a number of times. What do you think of it? I, well, it's funny. There's a big story you made of it. I've been in many dressing rooms where guys have got up and said way more than that,

way worse than that. Right. This is the biggest moment of his career. Connor McDavid is playing for one reason, is to win a Stanley Cup. And they were that close. And I believe that was after game two. They were fantastic in game one.

The others were terrible in game two. And I think he was in the rest of the league. Are you kidding me? We've waited our whole lives to get to this moment, and this is the effort we put forward? So, yeah, to me, it was, I would expect that from my captain to come in and call us out because we weren't good so I think that you see anyone that ever interviews Connor McDavid the answers are yes no thank you very much they saw a different side of Connor that I'm sure the players

in that dressing room have seen over and over again. As far as Zach Hyman's concerned, I mean, it's really tough to follow up a year that he had last year with 54 goals. By chance, he scores 35, 37, 39. Is that going to be a big disappointment? I don't think so. I don't think when the others signed him to the five-year deal, they were expecting a 50-goal score. I think they were expecting a 35 to 37-goal score.

And he's exceeded that. I think he could still score 50. Again, yes. I think he could, too. Well, I said we have a podcast with a couple of my buddies, and I said I believe the Oilers are going to have 250-goal scores this year. And pick your two. Is it Hyman and Leon?

Is it Connor and Leon? I think Connor's going to score 50. I think last year was his assist year. I think this year's going to be his goal scoring year. I think great ones can make that decision before the season starts. So I think he's going to have a huge year here this year. And then I don't know if Hyman or Leon scores 50, but I think one of them will.

Their power play's too good not to. And Connor's going to give whoever he plays with ample opportunities. And if that's Hyman, so I think Hyman has a chance. But Hyman, he gives you everything every shift. He's going to be a plus player. He's going to be on your first power play. He's going to play 4-4. He's every coach's dream player because he gives you an honest effort

every time he steps on the ice there were some years there where san jose was awesome like won president's trophies and they couldn't win the playoffs everyone stopped caring about the regular season like we'll call us in playoffs you know the leafs have become that for sure does the oilers regular season matter is there anything that they're playing for that you're watching for? Well, to me, it's an 82-game audition for some players, and it's an 82-game preparation for others. They are now a perennial playoff team. They could go through injuries.

They're still going to make the playoffs. I don't believe their division's very strong. I do think that they're going to try to get home ice advantage. There's a lot of talk out here. If they get home ice in Game 7, one last trip across the country in the finals, maybe they win it. But to me, everyone's talking they need a better start than last year. Well, they're going to have a better, but really they had a horrible start last year,

one of the worst in history, yet they still went to Game 7 of the finals. Regular season is just a race to see which 16 teams get to play for the Stanley Cup. So I don't think the regular season has that much importance. I know that the team won't say that, the coach won't say that, but after watching them in preseason, this is a team right now that knows what's expected of them, and they know what games they want to play, and that starts with game 83 in april

brownie jeff skinner had a contract in buffalo that he could never live up to so uh the void left in the lineup from evander kane like how how close could jeff skinner fill it well i can't see him doing anything that okay let me rephrase that can he can he can he be a threat to score again like yes evander yes i mean he's playing he's playing with leon dry sidle and leon dry connor mcdavid's the best in the world leon's the best passer in the world he's going to get ample opportunities uh jeff skinner wasn't good in preseason. He was at times invisible, and the times that you noticed him, it was because of a big defensive boo-boo. But he's a guy that's not going to forget how to score. He's had a number of 30-goal seasons.

He's going to have many, many chances, many good looks with Leon. So I think their second line will be good, and he will, I would expect a 25-goal season minimum out of Jeff Skinner. But what they miss from Evander is just the meanness, the nastiness. Evander Kane throws a hit in the first five minutes. Then you start watching the other team's defense. When Evander's on it, they start throwing it away. And I don't think anyone's intimidated,

but I know that players are now like, okay, I'm going to get this out of my hands as quick as possible so I can prepare to protect myself. And a bunch of those passes go astray. So I don't think anyone on the Oilers right now can do what Evander is capable of, but I do believe the Oilers are set up nicely with Arvidson and Skinner playing with Leon this year.

Just one note. You mentioned Evander coming back in the playoffs. Do you think with the cap situation, this is going to be one of those scenarios where we don't see Evander Kane until we see him? Wink, wink. Yeah. I know that Kucherov did it and was fantastic the year he came back with Tampa.

And I think he won the consmite that year. I honestly don't know how a player can miss an entire year and then come back at the hardest time of year. And then you add the fact that Evander, what's he, 33, 34 now? Coming back, being a year behind everyone else that's playing, I don't know if he's as effective. To me, if I'm the Oilers and I think that Evander's going to be part of my team, I have him come back a month before and get some games in.

Then he's much more effective. Salary cap is huge. The whole accumulating as much money as you can to make that trade that you want at the deadline i i just i have a hard time thinking that evander kane can miss an entire hockey season and come back on april 19th and be as effective as you need him to be so i don't know if they're if they're their hope or if they want or what they need i think evander kane will be back before playoffs all right i uh one more for me just on uh coach last year chris nabla came in kind of a moving treadmill million miles an hour they threw him on just one hockey games like it was nobody's

business is anything going to change with him now that he's had some time to breathe and step back and take a have a proper training camp this year um I'm sure that he's much more prepared now than he was when he stepped in last year. Uh, I think he also knows the, the weight of the expectations is much heavier than last year. He came in and took over a terrible hockey club. So anything that he did that was,

was going to be a bonus. Uh, now he's got a team as you guys were talking before I got on, this team is picked by many to win the Stanley Cup. So now he's going to be under a much bigger microscope. Honest to God, every decision he made last year was right. If he decided to bench his starting goaltender, it turned out. If he was going to make a line change where he pulled a guy out

that scored the night before, it worked out. So I can't see him changing a lot. The one thing that I've, and I've met him a few times over the summer doing events, he is incredibly calm. Doesn't seem to get rattled by anything. Yeah, we know. We had him on the show. Yeah.

It's like you're talking to him. All of a sudden, I feel like, all right, I'm just going to, oh, hey, we're in one of these moves. Everything's just nice. But he just, so I think it's exactly what this Oiler team needed, and he came in at the right time and good on him. So I don't see him changing much of who he is, and I think he understands what this Oiler team needs to do to win,

and they did a lot of that under him last year. One more for me, Brownie, and that's just the economics of the salary cap, and we saw Leon get his money, and we're going to see Connor get his money next July. And Evan Bouchard is a guy that some people are talking about being the next $10 million goalie. And we know the salary cap's going to go up, but speaking from an experience of watching the Leafs

the last five know five seven years putting in half a half a salary cap into four guys uh you know can it work can it not work any concerns about that is it is it also a foregone conclusion bouchard is going to be a 10 million dollar defenseman very soon oh i i mean his stats will say that he is. Yeah. I mean, you got a guy on the team making nine and a half almost, Darnell Nurse, who's in your second pairing. So it's kind of hard for Bouchard to say, OK, I'll take the same as Nurse. He's worth 10. Connor's worth whatever he wants to write his check for. 16, 18, 20, whatever you want.

I do think there is a concern. I think, in all honesty, this might be the best opportunity for the Oilers to win a Stanley Cup, salary cap-wise. Because all of a sudden, these contracts are going to start kicking in next year and the year after, and you're going to start looking for players that are playing below what they're worth

and having to pull in players that probably aren't as good on your third and fourth line. So, to me, this is a big year for the Edmonton Oilers because of the salary gap. Don't worry about that. The Leafs have been saying that for three, four years in a row. This is it. This is it.

This is our last chance. All or nothing lasts several years, apparently. Hey, Brownie, great stuff, man. Thanks for doing this. Enjoy the start of the season. We'll have you on again real soon. Sounds good, guys. Thanks. Thanks, Brownie. Appreciate it. Edmonton Oilers analyst, Rob Brown. enjoy the start of the season we'll have you on again real soon sounds good guys thanks Edmonton Oilers analyst Rob Brown

he's the best love that guy god he could score and then he could do a windmill right by your bench and then you'd want to kill him yes that's Rob Brown awesome career

he said something in there that had never really crossed my mind but bouchard 100 points you think that's possible i mean he's a power play merchant on that team right yeah he had 82 last year dry sidle you have 18 more points david on the ice with them yeah okay absolutely that power play has been like a 30% power play. Absolutely a possibility. And he can shoot the puck. You can hammer the puck. Hammer it.

You have 32 points and 25 playoff games. But I do. He's average defender for me. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But that's why you put him with that. That's why he plays with that goal.

His, the NHL.com slash edge tracks shots over 90 miles per hour and it's like second most in the nhl is like 28 and then bouchard's like 90 or something like that like he just he hammers it it is dangerous though okay where's matt what is more than committing that type of money for just that guy that is yes that's eric carlson yep you you're right you have to there's you think it's a coincidence he has a great case in arbitration but like when you're a hockey player and you say all right well we need you to do two things that way and this way maybe you're not quite worth 10 but you know what that's funny it's like the reverse of how sorry you can't earn more than this guy know what? It's funny. It's like the reverse of how,

sorry, you can't earn more than this guy. He's good and he makes this. It's like, well, I can't make less than that guy is what he's talking about with Nurse and the Oilers. So that's a tough spot. Game time? Game time. All right.

It's game time. Presented by Bet365. Visit the app, play this odds, and find out why it's never ordinary. Bet365 must be 19+. Tarot only please play responsibly so the toronto maple leaves tonight open up as a massive favorite against montreal canadians they are minus 180 in montreal uh if you want to bet on the montreal canadians it's plus 130 winnipeg jets are big underdogs plus 125 to the edmonton oilers who are minus 175. Calgary Flames plus 125 versus the Vancouver Canucks

who are big favorites and minus 175. The thing I wanted to do today, because you want to have a little action on all the games, you know, all the Canadian teams, a three-player anytime goal scorer parlay. Okay. Starting in the first game, Austin Matthews owns the Montreal Canadiens.

He scores against Montreal Canadiens. He doesn't score in the first game of the year a lot. He's just lock for aians he scores against montreal canadian scores in the first game like he's just a lot lock for a goal tonight in my opinion it just feels like that happens every year so austin matthews jake debrusk in his debut with the vancouver canucks playing alongside uh power play redirect yeah he's gonna score okay and leon dry sidle with his shiny new $14 million contract is going to get one as well. And that plays plus 1368, so over 13 to 1 for all three of those guys to score a goal tonight.

That's a massive number. So there you go. That's my Canadian team goal-scoring parlay to start the season. So $10 is going to make me like $130, $140 or something? Yeah, there you go. That's a little fun for tonight for somebody to have also the um there's another there's another game that's going on good one rangers and penguins good game rangers are obviously big big uh favorites in that one but give me pit anytime

you get to see you know we're getting to that age now with sid where you know like how many more opening nights with sid and like how like how he just signed the two-year contract. It's almost, it's more of a commentary on where I am in my life. Where it's like. It always comes back to me. Well, no, but like as my age of fans, this is like the first super duper star that I've seen his entire career. Like right from the start to like the end.

Like he's a legend. We're getting close to the end here to a couple more years. So got to take a minute. We can get up with Sid. You bet on him to score a goal tonight? Love it. They've got a promo where he's... Yeah. All the young kids are...

It's actually a good one. Yeah. It kind of hits the right note. You didn't think it was cheesy, Kippy? No, it's... What's the line Sid has in it? These kids these days or something. Yeah.

They name off a lot of things that they're addicted to. Stupid young things. Video games hogs right kids love hogs right is that the thing yeah yeah yeah yeah no i saw they're just missing we're soft yeah they should cut to you at the end like ah hogwash some of. Not all of them. So the Pittsburgh Penguins are home tonight, and they are plus 125 on the money line. Give them to me. Yeah, so there you go.

Sidney Crosby to score a goal. I can't pull it up at the moment, but here we go. Sidney Crosby to score a goal is plus 180. And if you want to get him to have the first goal of the year for the Pittsburgh Penguins, which would be very fitting, it's plus 800. So there you go. All right, and now it and that was game time presented by bet365 visit the app latest odds to find out why it's never ordinary at bet365 must be 19 plus ontario only please

play responsibly okay we got a ton in news and notes uh new contracts being signed uh we got utah's first game ever last night we We've got Boston and Florida to talk about. We take a break now and get into it? Yeah, we got a lot to get into. So let's do it. All right. More Real Kipper and Bourne. News and notes coming up after the break.

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Little over an hour puck drop. Toronto, Montreal,ed by the network. Winnipeg and Edmonton. Calgary and Vancouver. Tons to get into. Include us. Linus Allmark signing a four-year deal. $33 million.

Exactly half of what Swayman got with the Boston Bruins, 8.25 on an AAV. Turn the mic on. Does that take them to the exact same age? That would be close. I don't know. You tell me. I'm going to.

My first thought in this was that based on Boston's belief belief swayman was better than all mark swayman ended up you know i know he's a lot younger but the feeling i got last year although that there was this split and this feeling of 1a 1b that swayman was better than Allmark. Yeah. I feel like that's hindsight bias. I feel like that's retrospective. I don't know that I felt that way last season. Allmark felt more like the backup goalie. Did he? For me.

I mean, he became that for sure. So definitely now. I don't know. But to me, it's like you got two guys and you're not sure which one's better. He's 25. He's 31. Sayonara, 31.

I don't feel that way. I feel like Swayman's better than Allmark. Yeah. I mean, if I could have either of these guys, Swayman at age 25 for eight years or Allmark for four years at age 31, I'll take the Swayman. Allmark played 39 last year. So almost exactly half. Yeah. with 39 last year. So almost exactly half.

I have a lot more faith that Swayman's going to be a legit number one than Allmark. But do you, so do you believe that Allmark walked into these negotiations or whatever and said, look at my numbers, look at his, we're the same goalie. He's younger, so he gets more term i'll take a less term and i got news for you it worked yeah and i don't know if anybody saw steve aliquette last week on our show talking about the goalie role and sometimes if you know killing my my sins pal there's a there's a mindset about where you think you are your comfort zone in in being a goalie like i'm not sure

all marks gonna be that guy that can carry the mail for the ottawa senators i could be wrong and he's ready for it but he's got a lot to prove to me that this guy is a $8.25 million a year goalie. Did they just do a new Corpus Allo with more money just drop? He's better than Corpus Allo. I just don't know. You guys were hard on Corpus Allo in the old

group challenge. Oh my god, he's so bad. The Bruins in general were horrible. I wouldn't mind seeing him play maybe one or two before giving him $33 million. I also think it's tough when you're about to play behind Clevin and Hamannik and Jensen and Shabbat and those type of guys instead of McAvoy and Carlo and the back end.

There was Zdorov. He had a good back end. I just drawed a blank right now. Lots of good players. So it is going to be tough to look as good as numbers are very likely to be worse than they have been but can he be a 908 because you would pay 8 million to get a 908 for four straight years you would okay is if he's 908 can he make the difference up of what do they miss the playoffs by 16 17 points last year 18 points 18

points can he make up 18 points i think last year for elliot pretty close to last pick them to go to the playoffs he doesn't have to get them let's say that makes up eight or ten can we can make up eight or ten and all of a sudden you say they're everyone else it's a lot now it's on you guys to to do the rest so they have had awful goaltending for the last two seasons yeah like the year before last was before they had corpus alo they had like eight guys play for them remember there was like that like that there was like a junior guy that came up and ech like they was horrible and then and then and then uh dylan ferguson is that a name That's a name that one of them played?

That's a name. And then last year, Corpus Allo was pretty civvy for them last year. If he's better, it'll help. It'll help. Be better than bad. Didn't we say better than awful was the goal yesterday? They would kill for league average. Yeah.

But I just, I saw that number. I was like, oh, oh. I tell you what. Oh. If you would offer me that deal, you can have Allmark four times eight, or you can have Carter Verhege for eight years starting at age 30 four times seven million, I'm probably taking the Allmark deal. I don't like that Verhege contract at all.

Really? Eight years for Carter Verhege? He's a good player. I know he is, but you can't be giving everyone eight now. Everyone is not auto eight. He's seven. Eight times seven. I'm saying years.

Oh. The years are what I'm stuck on. Yeah. Listen, as a Leaf fan who watches every single one of the stars and Leafs shrivel up in the biggest moments, and this guy exclusively scores big goals exclusively. Hockey player. I'll do it.

Not very fleet of foot. These contracts tend to be situations where you can wiggle yourself out of them. You see the cap going like this. This is all but a million and a half of salary, and it's all signing bonus. All signing bonus. He makes a million. He's going to get his money on the signing bonus. I think it was $48 million on the signing bonus. All signing bonus. He makes a million. He's going to get his money on the signing bonus. I think it was $48 million on the signing bonus. But everyone says.

So bury it. Just bury it. Yeah, but you still. You get hurt, you bury it. Yeah. But you still have to eat. What's the cap in eight years? $130 million?

$120? But this is what everyone does. And they say, it's like, we got money. Go to the strip club. You're going to get five. There's still going to be a day where you care about your cat. You're going to get five or six good years out of it for Hagee. And I tell you what, his story is phenomenal.

Phenomenal. Right. Are we paying for stories now? No, you're not paying for stories. You're paying for Stanley Cups. Yeah. And I am. now no you're not paying for stories you're paying for stanley cups yeah and i am i think if you know the core belief of gm's got to be paying for what you're going to get not what

you've what they've done you don't want to pay for someone's past those are not good contracts and i just eight years is so so many years um love swayman because you're paying for his prime don't love all mark as much because you're probably not paying for his prime. As we mentioned earlier, everybody but probably me and maybe somebody else didn't pick the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup. I went with the Florida Panthers, and nobody touched them. But to say that, I did pick Boston to win the Atlantic, but I didn't pick Boston to win the Stanley Cup.

I picked the Florida Panthers. Florida won the Stanley Cup by a goal. They made me look okay last night. Yes, they did. They look good. They won the Cup by a goal and then got worse in the offseason. So it's a risky pick. However, last night they took it to the Bruins pretty good, didn't they?

Yeah, with the meat of the lineup. Didn't you love Sam Bennett whoopsying into Corpus Allo? First game of the season, this guy cannot help himself. First game of the season, Bennett goes right through the chest. How many guys are willing to do that in the league? But that to me is not a willingness. That's like he wants to. Same difference.

Yeah, but that, you know, like if my coach yells at me like i'll do it but like some of these guys he wants that you know i love the bruins d came in there and just speared him right in the belly yeah he's probably sick of getting caved in all night last year in the playoffs didn't he lower and what was he last night minus three i don't know what he was minus four yeah what the playoffs, didn't he, Laura? And what was he last night? Minus three? I don't know what he was last night. Minus four? Yeah, what did he finish again? Dead last? He was getting eaten up. You know, I watched that Florida team, and we talk about most underrated guys,

and everyone's like, Barkov? You love to say Barkov. You know who's actually the most underrated? It's Lindell and that loose Dorian. Both those guys together, they are so good. Like, I love watching those guys play. Like, I really do feel like those two guys are actually the most underrated.

Not Barkov, who's talked about as, like, one of the best. He's so underrated. If he played. That's who's underrated his whole career. No, it's like. They're just big and they're smart. They get in ways. They run into people.

Yeah. They're not afraid. They stay in their positions. Smart, good hockey players. And they were killing low right last night. Like, they were just caving them in. So, I enjoy. Listen, Bruins, you know what? I'll say it.

Maybe they just suck this year. Wouldn't that be nice? Maybe they just suck. One game. Pasternak. They look slow, bud. Marchand didn't stand out last night. Marchand was only a 60-some point guy

last year. I wouldn't underestimate him. No. I think they got lots of juice. I do too. I still think that's a very good team. I think good start if you're... They're missing the playoffs, boys. I'll say it. I think so. No, I don't think so.

I'm trying to... Try to make yourself feel good. Listen, I would like one year for this just to not work for them. You know? And Corpus Allo clearly is not going to give them a ton of games because, boy, he didn't look great last night. Do you think they should have put Swayman in last night? Oh, my God. I'm watching our telecast.

I'm not... No comment. I love David Amber and Elliot Freeman very much. Yeah, we liked them a lot. But they were out to lunch last night thinking that, like, Swayman, even if Corpus Allo let in 100 goals, his skates were never going to touch the ice. He wasn't ready to go in.

Like, come on. Like, if he gets hurt, if Sam Bennett rents him over too, you're looking like the biggest idiots of your lives for putting him in there. Yeah. So. They'll let him get up to speed a couple of days out of Michigan. You got to be careful. Sam Bennett's UFA next year, right?

Yeah. Is he going to sign for six or seven in Toronto? Seven years? What's his age? What do you think, Sam? What would you pay Sam Bennett? The world. Oh, my God.

Sam Bennett is 28. I'd pay him a lot. And he looks the inverse of those numbers. If Verhage is seven, is this guy not eight? Bennett more than Verhage? Yes. He doesn't score as much as Verhage, but he brings other elements to the game. Seven and a half? Yeah. Times eight? I think seven. He's 60 score as much as Verhage, but he brings other elements to the game. Seven and a half?

Yeah. Times eight? I think seven. He's 60 million. I think seven. I mean, his career high is 28 goals. I think eight is high. But yeah, to your point, he's not a one-dimensional guy.

Verhage on the open market would have got seven and a half, eight million next July. So you factor in the no state tax, cheap living, winning culture, and you can get away with offering him seven. Do you think he stays there too, Bennett? Yes. I do. I think he loves it there.

They all love it. They're not bothered. You know, he's still got to introduce the Stanley Cup to people there. This is the Stanley Cup this is what we get when we win you want that though you don't want to do you? that's what I mean that's what I'm asking do you want that?

sorry I thought you said you want that you don't need the million people parade you can go to the beach and have a good time great shower me in accolades completely agree you ask every guy in the league who they'd rather win the cup for, the Leafs or the Panthers, 100 out of 100 are saying Leafs. Wow, is there a stink over putting the cup in the ocean too?

Why? Why is there a stink over that? Oh, is it bad for silver or something else? Just a lack of chemistry knowledge. Salt water on the Stanley Cup is a disaster. What's the guy that holds the cup with the gloves? He could not have been thrilled. No.

He would have been sour. He's scrubbing it at night. They weren't thrilled when we had it and Joey Kosher was welding it in his basement back together again. My dad and Clark took it apart. They put new rods through the middle of the thing. They did?

Yeah. That cup will never, ever be in the ocean again. Ever. Yeah. No, I didn't know that was bad for silver. Did you want to play the clip from Frederick with Kachuk that you asked me about? You can. I mean, did you see it?

Did you hear his comments? I did. We don't need it. We can just talk about the fact that Frederick thought that Kachuk challenged him to a fight and was prepared to fight, and then Kachuk didn't fight. He basically thought it was disrespectful. You know, Kachuk does pick his spots. Like, he fought Pasternak, which, you know, right? Who wouldn't take that fight if you're

a guy like a Chuck but he's not a heavyweight he's not expected to fight like Frederick's a he might beat him like a drum just to get a sense for it it's in the shows right Eric maybe we don't have it no

guys the evolution of Sam Bennett's team pitcher over the years is jarring. Anyways, okay, it's fine if you don't have it. So you went right at the start of the game and kept the gloves on. Were you surprised that he took that route? I mean, yeah. I mean, there, yeah, because he said yeah. And he didn't.

So it's kind of hard when someone says. He actually asked me because I was yeah. And he didn't, so it's kind of hard when someone says, he actually asked me because I was asking him and he didn't, so it's hard to read that. He was trying to suck me into dropping my gloves there. Yeah, I guess. I didn't know people did that. I think that's kind of

a little disrespectful to the game. A little disrespectful to the game. I love Trent Frederick the game i love trent frederick by the way yeah i like him too 18 goals last year he's going to be in the 20s this year and fight anyone and kachuk isn't the first or last hockey player to try to bluff you into taking a penalty yeah i didn't know players people did that you did i yeah i think you know there's a point sometimes where you think a guy like that should have to fight like marshawn to me there's been multiple occasions where i thought he should

have fought and he didn't do it what does for sure why does kachuk need to fight him at that like they're up so they have six two at that well it was at the start of the game he said they go they're up six two there's no situation where you need to fire them up and watch have the bruins watch him beat the crap out of kachuk that's gonna fire them up there's no need for it yeah the first game of the season start of the game or something whenever they initially had the conversation but yeah not not much there for me did love did love that both teams gave up a lot of goals though that's that's fun it was a fun opening game uh anything for you out of the utah hockey last night, it looked like a fun place. It looked like they were all excited.

I mean, Gary walking around like he gave birth. He was there with Shabuzy. Him and Shabuzy were holding court. Yeah, I got something. Lori Markkinen of the Utah Jazz, was he seven feet tall? He's tall. Came out on skates, ripping around. He looked great on ice.

So shout out to him. He's Finnish after all. Oh, yeah, you're born on skates. Yeah. So shout out to him. He's Finnish after all. Oh, yeah. You're born on skates. Yeah. You come out, they put them on. Jerseys, you still hate them. Yeah, because they're bad.

Thought they looked beautiful last night. Thought they looked really good. Nice colors, right? Really nice colors, nice stripes, just clean. Yeah, take a jersey out of those colors. They look good. Chicago, did you get much out of Chicago? Yeah.

It's that I said too many good things about them this offseason. Bedard, slow start. I think you made a beautiful play. Did you see the... We'll start with two points. Did you see the first assist that he had where Sergachev, like... Let up. Had him.

Let up. Like, I'm telling you, had him. Yeah. And, like, it looked to me like he let him go by on purpose. Like, it was weird. Yeah. Like, I like Sergeyev, and I think we've seen good. Bedard, that deceptive baby, threw him some.

We've seen him really good with Tampa Bay, and I think he scored a goal last night, right? But, like, I'm like, what are you doing? You had him. Could have crushed him. Yeah. I think it's most noteworthy from Chicago that Bedard started

with Mikheyev and Tara Vinen meanwhile Bertuzzi and Taylor Hall are the second line wingers it sounds like Bertuzzi had a bad camp like they had higher expectations I saw a lot of like nights we saw

him with the Leafs last night against Utah, where it's like you're there, but you're not really accomplishing much. I think Leafs fans, and I'll lump myself in, not as a fan, but in this expectation, I thought Bertuzzi would have nights where it's like he didn't score, but he was a rat, and he annoyed people, but he had a lot of quiet nights. He's a quieter player than i think people want him to be um just re-watching the clip uh the sergachev thing he did kind of get turned a little weird

and it just like he didn't have his body in the right position it looked like he was going for the stick check instead of the body check but like if he's thinking check there it could have been a big one oh my gosh big one so uh anyways he just didn't want to ruin Chicago's season. He's a nice guy. Very considerate, if that's the case. Yeah. Just to kind of revisit from our earlier segment in our first hour, Joseph Wall not starting in, what, a little over an hour.

Toronto and Montreal,ko hurt and I'm just starting to think that as we have watched the evolution of the goaltender go from this from Darren Pangs of the world and the Glenn Healy's

to like 6'4 and 6'6 guys Demko 6'4 and 6'6 guys. Demko 6'4. All of a sudden everyone's got Greg Oden knees. Like guys getting hurt, guys getting tightness. Is it harder for the big man now to play over an NHL season without getting hurt these days? Maybe.

I mean, Valaket talked about the pounds of pressure on the knees and up and down in practice, and when you're that big, it's that much more pressure on the knees. And, yeah, I could see that being part of it. You know, this is very poor science on my part, but I do feel like really fit goalies now. Like, everyone is a lot more fit. I don't know that that's better. Rick DiPietro was like 2% body fat.

He was shredded. And he was also, and he'll tell you, made of glass. And I do wonder if it's not great how fit everyone is. Like, do you need some fat, some pliability, some flexibility? Some Turk Broda. You need to be Turk Broda a little bit.

The plate of something. I don't know. Worked out for Rick. Still getting paid a million bucks a year, isn't he? Rick's had a good life. Rick's getting paid. Isn't he getting paid for until 10 more years? He's doing great. I think his literal Twitter handle has Humpty in it.

Bobby Bonilla. Yeah, Bonilla. Yeah, he did. Bonilla's been paid until like 2032 or something. He had a 30-year deferred salary from the Mets, I think, for over a million dollars. This is going to be Shohei. Shohei's going to be 2078, and Shohei's going to be cash and Dodger checks.

Okay. Yeah, that's... Puckpedia doesn't have the... It has Michael DiPietro, but it doesn't have the Rick DiPietro thing. But I think he's getting a million bucks for like another five, six, four years. He's doing pretty good. Joey Decord signed a five-year, $25 million contract with the Seattle Kraken on the backs of some okay play.

It's a pretty expensive backup. Are the numbers moving now with the cap unstuck? Are we just going to start to see you guys get a little bit more? Goalie salaries really flatlined for a long time. Yeah, this is still a lot of money for, especially when you factor in that you're paying Grubauer six. So I think this is to push Grubauer? Yeah. Six. So I think this is kind of a, this is to push Grubauer.

Push him out? Well, either push him out or push him to be better. I'm paying 11 for your goalies. Did you see that goal that he let up yesterday for Broberg? Yeah. Yeah.

Stinky. Stinky. I do feel like because people can't, you know how we talked about there's no middle class contracts anymore? Was it Hoaglander signed three times three? Goalies are the only people where they're like, we're not really sure who's good and who's not.

So, like, there's a bunch of three, four, five million dollar contracts. This is like, maybe, maybe, is this anything? All right. I mean, Joey Decord before last season played five, five, eight, and one in his NHL season, in his NHL career for games. And then he played 50 last year had a 916 like that's a great year and good for him because he was a you know seventh round draft pick who just got 25 million dollars so good for him is that jack campbell jack campbell yeah right

yep okay give me some scores here toronto montreal four or two leagues safest answer least win five. Winnipeg and Edmonton. Edmonton, 6-2. Oh, big. Winnipeg shocks them. Vancouver, Calgary. Oh, so many goals. 7-2.

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