Real Kyper & Bourne - Oilers' Streak Dies in the Desert

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start the second hour with the Oilers' win streak coming to an end against the Golden Knights last night, the playoff atmosphere, Adin Hill's lockdown performance and McDavid showing frustration. They are joined by former NHLer and NHL Network analyst Brian Boyle (5:48), who shares his thoughts on the game, a player's POV of coaching changes, the benefits of mid-season adversity and which team needs to make a splash at the deadline. They regroup with Sam McKee for news and notes - how far the Flames go with their fire sale, Dillon's dirty check on Acciari and rumours that news regarding Arizona's NHL future is coming soon.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome into the real kipper and born show the national edition live on sports that sports that 650 in vancouver and sports at 960 in calgary and at kip real sammy mckee justin born hola derek brandale and frank the tank alaska not quite what i say alaska it's barrasca barrasca Frank the Tank, Alaska. Not quite. What'd I say? Alaska. It's Baraska. Baraska. Yeah.

That's what I said. No, you said Alaska. But I think you know that. Well, you told me Alaska before the show started. We're working on the pronunciation guide. Yes. I got it right before. I'm just messing with you, and I'm messing with Frank the Tank.

Ah, I see. He's in the building. We're all good here. Yeah. All right, boys. All good things, and Frank's cool with Alaska. We did just get work. All good things must come to an end. The Oilers streak over at 16, and we're going to get into that and so much more in this

hour. Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you to you by bet 365 we're also going to welcome in in a few minutes brian boyle former nhler played on a few teams we'll talk trade deadline i think he's been traded a few times as well but uh let's go to you first jb on uh the incredible run by the edmonton oilers uh coming to a screeching halt last night. You know, the best thing about the end of that streak, shouldn't say the best thing, but just you didn't leave that thinking like, oh, they, you know, they deserve to lose. Finally, they got there just as early.

It's like they played great last night. They were just as deserving of winning that game as several they won over their streak. Doesn't change how I feel about them in any way. This is, that's a good hockey team, man. And Sammy, in our top of the last hour, heaping praise on the Oilers and Vegas Golden Knights. Yeah, it was a great game. I would say that we have fully ventured into

Vegas owns the Oilers territory, where it's like, I think the Oilers are probably a better team. They were definitely a better team last night. Vegas beats them without Shea Theodore, without Jack Eichel. But it's just, listen, as a Leaf fan, I recognize when a team is being owned by another team. In the kitchen. And it's trending in that direction.

And it's like, you're going to have to probably go through that team, I would imagine, if you're the Edmonton Oilers, to make it to where you want to get to. And to me, that's a very scary proposition. I saw people, Oilers fans, last night tweeting like, oh, shocker, another Vegas player being a baby. And I was like, oh, this is a thing now. We got a proper rivalry going.

They're upset because Petrangelo hacked somebody out to the whistle, and it's like, oh, that's what you did to... They definitely don't like each other, but i just i think they just have it the gold knights just have it it's hard to explain but they have it yeah well first of all we did kind of tee it up after yesterday's show about how this one kind of feels like a playoff series already and i'm i'm telling you it did disappoint. Like when you see the attention to detail that both clubs had, where, you know, outside of the first goal by Connor McDavid, there was no kind of glaring error in particular.

I mean, over the course of 60 minutes, you're going to have one or two great opportunities, and Dreisaitle and connor found them on on one of them on the turnover but outside of that man this one had every feel of a of a stanley cup playoff game and what it was and another thing that we discussed was like that patience where neither team seemed desperate to try you know so take make the home run play and maybe give something up the other way. They played within their systems, and it was.

It was a tight hockey game, and boy, lots of talent on the rink at the same time. They also mentioned on the broadcast multiple times last night that Vegas led in all six games in the playoff series last year. Is that right? Yeah. And guess what happened last night? I'm sorry, Edmonton led all six games.

And guess what happened last night? I'm sorry, Edmonton led all six games. And guess what happened last night? How about Aiden Hill, though? Like, Aiden Hill at this point is, you know, we've done the Team Canada goaltending things. Looked really good. And has won a cup now. Like, he won a Stanley Cup, and it put him on the map. But if there's going to be like two things that you remember

about aiden hill now moving forward it's he won the stanley cup and he shut down the edmonton oilers winning streak that's yeah that's the two things that come to the top of my mind right now when i hear that name yeah and i mean that's how big of a game it was for him so if you're an oilers fan you just hate aiden hill at this point you know he he earned a two-year contract off of that cup 4.9 million per season and it looks like they're gonna get great value for that money he is he's the real deal i despise that dude and you saw 938 this year in 18 starts saw some frustration out of connor at the end of that game. Slamming his stick pretty good.

Fired up coming off the ice. Wild levels of competitiveness, by the way. After winning 16 straight. Love it. It's a moment of a lifetime that slipped out of your hands. Like, that's how close he was. And he knows that in all probability, he'll never be in a situation to take another crack at 17. It's funny what records matter and which ones don't,

but you can tell by the defensiveness of the people who currently hold them. Was it... Talkett. Talkett was saying he didn't want... He didn't want it. My dad's texting me about how the Islanders didn't want it. Butch is tweeting about it, goring you know they didn't regulation like yeah that that record meant something to people it's funny okay let's go to brian boyle former nhler who does

a terrific job now on the nhl network as an analyst uh brian i mean it's hard not to talk about that game last night and the feel that we got as a potential series down the road, I guess. Oilers, Vegas, round two coming up in the spring. I think everybody would welcome it. Well, thank God it is where it is now. After the start Edmonton had

with everybody talking how they were in the preseason and leading up to it. McDavid is such an electric player, and Dreisaitl is too in his own regard, but they got to be in the mix. And that streak was fun. It was awesome. You knew there was going to be a lot riding on it.

No playoff series is going to have a long layoff like that. So a lot of different things you can take out of the game i just i'm excited about what it could be you know come postseason yeah we are too one thing we were talking about before you came on was how vegas just seems to have the oilers number right now have you uh played you know in one of those situations where it just feels like the other team for whatever reason you just can't get a piece of them it just seems like oilers fans right now are going crazy over this vegas team who probably isn't better than them but seems to always end up getting the upper hand yeah different sports have that right there's matchups that just don't necessarily work out for whatever team for whatever reason and vegas i think probably right now has had the most success

and does the best job at limiting a lot of what Edmonton does really well a lot of what Edmonton has used predominantly to win games now this streak you've seen different guys from Edmonton step up and their roles have expanded a little bit there There's more ownership around the group, which I think that they need. So this is one game. And obviously there's a number of reasons why you want to win that game. If you're Edmonton and you can look at it like that was almost a playoff game. If you're Edmonton,

cause you have more to lose, so to speak because of the streak. And then Vegas goes in and takes care of it. However they, however you want to describe the game and Vegas comes away with two points that's just that's how Vegas won a cup really I mean they there were games where they weren't necessarily dominant they just they find ways to win and there's a number of different things that they have going well for them but I like the fact that Edmonton goes through a big game in the middle of a season to kind of reassess all right where are we at how do we avoid this come playoff time where it's even

you know it's obviously ratcheted up higher in terms of what the stakes are and you can use a game like that as a as a dress rehearsal now they're all dress rehearsals but that one means a little bit more we're talking a former NHL or nhl network analyst brian boyle so brian we were talking uh earlier in the show about uh making a coaching change and of course uh we know what it's meant to the edmonton oilers with knob block now and what it could mean for the la kings we were even having a discussion earlier whether or not a different voice behind a Toronto Maple Leaf bench would that squeeze more out of the players out of the places that you've played over your career I mean have you ever you know where is it ever stood out for

you where there's been a coaching change and for whatever reason it got more out of players than before. And do you believe in it? Like, can you believe that one change could change the makeup of 20 guys, as I guess Edmonton has proven? So, yeah, so I've never gone through it mid-season. And I have gone through it, you know, in a different season. We have four years with the Rangers and Torts, and then we brought in A.V. from Vancouver.

And even that training camp, you're on high alert. The whole summer leading up to it, you're on high alert. Those guys are going to walk in. You know, when a coaching change happens in Edmonton or whatever, you walk in the room the next day on your best behavior, so to speak. It's like the opposite of the substitute teacher when we're growing up. We get to kind of let it rip and have some fun because she's not going to be here the next day or he's not going to be here.

This is a lot different. You got a new boss. You know what it is? I've never been in the room when a staff has to talk about maybe doing something like that. It's a big move. But when you read after the fact, it's like the message wasn't being sent correctly or wasn't being received. That's what you keep hearing.

Now, I'll give Sheldon Keefe a lot of credit. He's had a lot of patience with the group in different moments during his tenure. He has no patience anymore. And I don't love how it's kind of played out in the media, but I think the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking he is, this is one of his last cards to play to try and get their attention to have the message received. They're not playing the way he wants them to.

I'm sure they're not getting the results that they want. So maybe he's trying sort of a different message on his own, obviously doing whatever he can in a really highly scrutinized environment. So you played with the Toronto Maple Leafs and a lot of their core guys when they were pretty early in their careers here. I guess watching how their careers have progressed

and the success they've had individually and sort of a lack of team success, has anything surprised you about the trajectory of where they've been and how things have played out over seven or so seasons so far? Not really. I mean, Austin could still get 70 goals. I think Mitch Marner is such a smart, crafty player.

I think Willie is very dynamic and has gotten better and better. I kind of love his personality outside the ring. I mean, I love those guys. Those are the guys I paid a lot of attention to, and Morgan Riley as well. I was always impressed with his leadership at 23 years old. I remember saying I found out maybe a week in he was that young when I played with him, and I thought he was pushing 30, just how he had the respect of the room. And, you know, it's hard.

You stay in the same place, you try to find different answers. And they've had a lot of success in the regular season. And sometimes a little bit of adversity during the season can be really good if you find your way out of it. So the way those guys have progressed in terms of their ability and dominance has been no surprise to me. I was excited to get to see it at such a young age. I was impressed then, and I'm impressed now. There's a lot to deal with in that city.

Forget the media stuff, just being around around going for dinner or whatever it is. And they've, you know, they've been through different management, GM, and they've been through different coaches. And, you know, I guess now maybe they look at each other and they got through a round last year. That is progress regardless of what people think. That's progress. You know, hopefully they can keep that mix and figure out you know if they add

something or whatever they do they can find a way to reach that next level they use this adversity to you know take another step because them them going on a run would be exciting for the whole league i think except for the teams that they knock out brian uh elias uh lynn home two power play goals in a building that he scored a few goals earlier in his career in Carolina. They beat a pretty good hockey club. Is this going to be one of those moves where we look back at Vancouver and say, yeah, but when they made that trade, this is why they're here today.

Is that a potential storyline for this club? Yeah, I mean mean the rich get richer and there's a lot of critics and maybe maybe myself included a little bit thinking you can't really sustain it i thought they'd be a playoff team after their start for sure but i mean you go there and i saw someone wrote this on x or whatever it was and saying that when you go to Vancouver, your shooting percentage is just 20% no matter what. You know, Lindholm goes there, bang, bang, two shots. I mean, I think he tipped the first one.

The second one might have just hit his stick, right? And it's just they got something going on right now. It's really impressive. Their goaltending's been much better this year. They've had bounce-back years from a couple guys like Besser and they've found a mix. I love Teddy Bluger when I play with him in Pittsburgh.

I know he doesn't fill in the net, but I kind of like their mix of guys. I like how they're built. You look at different potential series they could go through and with the offense they have even if it dries up a little they got great goaltending they they can be mean on the back

end or just hard to play against anyway um i don't know how you stop and quinn hughes especially at the rate he's going at i i'd like that team i like him a lot like him more now after going home two goals brian the uh nhl's trade deadline is a month away now um you're a guy who has played deep in the playoffs a lot you've had 124 playoff games i think i saw before we had john which is just incredible so what are guys feeling take us inside the room a little bit as you're on a good team and you're heading towards this deadline obviously you want to get better but you don't want anyone any of your buddies to get shipped out. What is that sort of dual emotion like?

Yeah, you really have to have a singular focus. It might sound selfish to people who haven't been through it. Kipper probably knows, but you have to be a little selfish in your own play in terms of how you prepare and how important it is for you to do well in those games leading up to the break. And if everyone does that, and it's not like I need points or I need this. It's just I need to be ready.

And, you know, if you're married with kids, sometimes they take the brunt of that and they will all the way through to the end of the playoffs. It's just a mindset of, of like really dial it in, be focused. You don't want to get moved out. You don't want to get shipped out. You want to show the brass that you can add here, but you shouldn't take anything away because look what we have.

And you like it when they add, even if it's like, maybe my cut into some of my minutes, whatever it is, you try to prove to your coach, you shouldn't do that, but you need everybody. You need 25, 26, 27 guys. If you want to prove to your coach you shouldn't do that but you need everybody you need 25 26 27

guys if you want to go on a real run and when when the team's adding that it's a great feeling around the room the boys kind of just know you're preparing you're getting ready everybody's kind of holding each other accountable a little bit more for details of the game you really want to sharpen up and those were those are exciting. The stress goes up a little bit, but, I mean, it's exciting because you have more to play for. So which team, in your opinion, needs to kind of counter the Vancouver Canucks moving forward here? We saw the Edmonton Oilers halt their winning streak,

but is this a team that's still maybe a move away here yeah yeah i think if it's sort of a copycat league right what has given team success a certain kind of playbook on what has won and or is advanced anyway and you look at the two teams in the final, if you can ever add that, sometimes that ends up being a number six on the D or a five or six on the D or a third line or fourth line center just to add into the mix or a guy with sort of a personality or an energy that will bring you into the fight in some of those games where in a seven-game series, if you're down three in game two, that game might be over four now, I guess this year, because there's so many comebacks. But if you're down four, I mean, that game might be over, but you can still inflict a little bit of pain.

And I don't care what anyone says or I don't care what anyone thinks. That's still a big part of the playoffs that that physical intimidation oh obviously but that that is definitely on the on on everyone's mind when they're going through it so i think as a gm if i'm a gm i'm getting a you know i was i use him as an example i don't think he'd go anywhere but luke shen would be a guy i'd always look at somebody like that you know a third or fourth line guy obviously if you need a first line right winger or a power play guy, you try to do that. But the way the cap is now with all these teams

so tight to it, it's hard. Those people, a lot of times they don't and they end up being a big factor. Last one for me, Brian. Just want to get your thoughts on your New York Rangers. This team I can't quite make heads or tails of. They're first in the Metro, though. What's their status? How do you like

their team this year? I like them, and a lot of the things I've said already is what they kind of need to kick into gear. There's emotion there that they sort of haven't had. There's nights where it's maybe not going their way, and a lot of times they can score it well, and when it's not, there's a bit of

a lull or a drop or you can honestly see it from the television on the bench sometimes where they just kind of get down and I'd like to see maybe that personality that anger that somebody was going to go stir it up go in there and kind of the team will feed off that

they went to the conference final a couple years ago they got Vetrano they got Kopp they got these guys they had Reeves there. So Lafreniere was playing a certain way. He was running his mouth in the play. I remember all that because I played against them. And that is the emotion that they need. They lack that emotion sometimes.

On paper, they're built very well. They could add a little depth on the bottom two lines maybe just because there'll be injuries. But for sure maybe a grittier, one more gritty guy on the bottom six that can just be a little bit of a game changer with some physicality. I love their team on paper, but that emotion, that collective, like when it's not going well, they can change things. If they can turn that switch on somehow,

they're going to be tough to beat as well. Be interesting to watch down the road. Hey, Brian, really appreciate your time. Thanks for doing this, man. You got it. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. That is Brian Boyle.

How many teams? Eight? A lot of teams. The Rangers and Lightning were sort of the big ones where I remember them. He had four years there, kept five years, where his playoff games played. 17, 11, 25, 25, 17 playoff games. And a total of what did you say?

124. That is a ton of games. I snuck in, I think, 36 maybe. That's a lot, dude. I'm like, they are so fun. Yeah. What I do to play one more Stanley Cup playoff game. I'll never forget.

It's very early in this trajectory of Leafs fandom, but when he set up Kasperi Kapanen in double overtime against the Caps, one of my favorite Leafs goals ever. Same. I think about that one a lot. Where he's coming around behind the net, he stops, turns it back, and Kapanen's there wide open and just shoots it right in the net. And that's as excited as I've been as a Leaf fan in a very long time.

Boyle 6'6", 245. Yep. Big man. Are you of the belief that, like, Lindholm's just going to take Vancouverouver to whatever level they were it's going up a notch you know yeah definitely i definitely think that i feel like when you have as much dynamic exciting talent as vancouver sometimes you just need some guys you could really trust right you just feel like you can put them on the ice in all situations they're not gonna lose their

minutes that's lindholm for me he might get you the goal he might make the defensive play just whatever the circumstance he's a guy like all right we we can put him on that line we can put him over the boards and having more of those guys when you're a coach oh what a luxury last night uh with the goal he pulled for Carolina I forget the line that was out there it was JT Miller and I think he was taking the draw he said he called off JT Miller and he sentias lindholm out there to take the draw he wins the draw gets it out goes down the other way and he goes off the ice it's like that's the guy's first game and he's locked a shot i think late in the game and he's up he's on the power play first game two power play goals it's like maybe sheldon's like you could try one of the new guys in the

power play for once you know know, it's like, I know he's not, Bertuzzi isn't Elias Lindholm or whatever, but you just see that. You're like, oh, that's allowed. Something different. That's allowed? I'm sure Sheldon listening is going,

sure, bring me Lindholm and see how I use him. But yeah, you don't think Bertuzzi could stay where he stood and tip a couple in the net? I think he could. I think he had. Not to make it about the least, but I was just really impressed with Lindholm's debut last night. For sure.

It was awesome. Well, then, how far off can Kuzmenko be? Because not only did he score, but he contributed to a pretty impressive win in Boston 4-1. Stunning, because the line, I don't know if we openly made fun of the line you made fun of me for a winning bet yesterday yeah well listen huberto sheridan govich kuzmenko did not inspire a ton of optimism but last night they played 10 minutes expected goals for they controlled 70

percent of the expected goals in those minutes go figure how about jonathan huberto's goal. How can you score a goal like that? He is so skilled. And some other times look like you don't know where the net is. I don't know. Do you have a goal and two assists last night? It was a goal scorer's goal. I forget who said, you know, anyway, the idea that you could trade for a player

and not just what you would get in the addition of Kuzmenko, but could it help Huberto? Could this be a line where it just works for him and all of a sudden you get a better Huberto too in the deal? That would change things for the Flames. They ran Boston's show. It must drive Heisler crazy watching that. Where you're like, what?

You can do that? Why didn't you do that more often? That's still an option. Yeah. That's his seventh goal of the year. I was impressed with the Flames. Like, I don't know. You know, they trade away Lindholm.

I haven't watched every Flames game this year, but I think he'd be hard-pressed to find a better performance than that. First game. I've watched a lot, too. I mean, they dominated. Kadri, three assists. Yeah. Did you see his quote?

It's a pretty good one. Yeah. Want to read it? A pack of hyenas can take down a lion. Love it. This is going to be the slogan for the Flames. When they turn it around. When they turn it around.

Print the shirts. That was the Panthers' last first round. How far out of it are the Flames? Really far? I mean, yeah, they're trading everyone good. So whether they're close or not, I don't think it matters. And then there's this whole Noah Hannafin thing, just in terms of the sense that he had a contract decision to make

after the All-Star break. And it doesn't seem like he has signed that. It doesn't seem like he has doesn't seem like uh he's gonna sign it as if today i don't know who knows what tomorrow brings the flames are really not out of it no they're not they're three points out of a playoff spot yeah with it's the seattle crack and that's hard as it is the hard decision too is like big picture here or definitely big picture but okay then you got to move bodies out tan body back in kuzmenko like you bring bodies back who help when they trade probably tana for lilligran then there's another nhl guy that you can put in there perfect and

listen if you're the flames that's not the worst in the world, I mean, as part of the package. Tandem's not Lindholm, guys, but Hannafin could get you a roster player back for sure. Yeah, that's more in the mix of you're getting a 26-year-old that includes three pieces. A first player on the roster, maybe a prospect. They should absolutely do that. Fear the flames, you're licking your chops.

Tanev can't bring that back because of his age, but Tanev can. I like Tanev. They're definitely in, could bounce back next year, Canucks, not as good as the Canucks model, but not be in this mix again.

I think it also depends what they do with these assets. Like, okay, so they get a bunch of picks and they trade all these guys we're talking about. All of a sudden you got this stockpile. You don't have to sit there and draft and wait five years to be good. You can turn those into players. So I'm curious to see how aggressive they'll be.

With those contracts in the book with Kadri and Huberto, you probably, that's more the direction you might want to go. You still have a good goalie, some good defensemen. It's not a teeter-down roster to me. You guys want to have one more Calgary conversation on Jacob Markstrom?

Yeah, I just made a passing comment there. I think something happens in the crease still. Whether it's a Markstrom trade or Ladar. I got to think they're really tempted to move them. Yeah. LA. LA would like them.

New Jersey. Like you've got a strong market. There's a market out there. Philly needs a goalie. Funny too. We've been talking so much about the Penguins as a likely playoff team. The Devils have the same amount of

point as the Penguins and just a ton of talent on the roster. They've been hurt a lot. Jack Hughes will come back at some point if you added a goalie. It's a game changer for New Jersey. A Markstrom. From the goal-turning perspective with them, them though don't

you think that you have wolf who is your goalie in waiting yeah you have if i would just probably keep markstrom and have wolf be your backup and kind of do the thing where you kind of like it's the pedigree thing like you would with like aaron rogers and brett farver he plays behind him for a couple years you let him go get pieces go assets. Yeah, I'm with you there because Ladar and Wolfe. You're going to suck? You're going to suck? You're going to suck? I just don't think they suck that bad.

They don't suck that bad. And it's like you're in a Canadian market. I don't know. They're not good enough to win either. But we know the best way to dig yourself out is to either be good or really suck you can't be that the canucks are going to inspire a lot of teams i think yeah like i do think there can be a bit of a rebuild on the fly here like you trade off your ufas but if i'm them i'm not trading

markstrom this year like he's good like they're not out of the play i know they're not i know they're gonna trade pan. I don't know. Yo, you want to be out? Yeah, sure. You don't want a couple extra home dates? The difference is, how old's Demko? Markstrom's 34, guys. Yeah, he's older than you think.

He's 34, Sammy. His value will never be higher. I thought he was younger than I traded him. Thank God I'm here for you, Sammy. And might I add, too, it's a national show. Vegas Golden Knights hat. Really? Really?

People are pissed on the text line. Oh, you got to cheer against the Canadian team. Yes, you do. I do, yeah. It is such a zag. Do we need to have a meeting? I don't care. A closed-door meeting with Sammy? Sit him down. I might, yeah. It is such a zag. Do we need to have a meeting? I don't care. Closed-door meeting with Sammy.

Sit him down. I might be getting a call from someone upstairs. I don't know. Listen. Listen. I've explained my case multiple times. Sammy went to a game once, and now he's a super fan. Not a super fan, but we'll root for them always in the Western Conference now.

Over the Oilers? Of course. Are you crazy? People on this show know who I am. The only way I want the Stanley Cup back in Canada is down Yonge Street. Boys have said it a million times. It's good. Vegas gives you a cheap bottle of champagne at your hotel, and now you're...

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You got your finger up. Is that a foam finger or is that your real finger? I forget things that I wanted to add because we were talking about goalies and you mentioned Demko. Was there a thing, like, was it last year that people were like Demko was out there? No, there was some thought that he may not want to stick around,

but this is when they all sucked and they all... Could somebody have stolen him? Everyone is happy to leave when they're losing could somebody has stolen him from there i don't think so okay no not not on jimmy rutherford's watch all right i was just watching that game last night watching how good he was and i was thinking about it and i remember that but anyways we can go to break now okay we're gonna take a quick break and we come back uh jets dylan to have a hearing on a hit last night on Penguins Achari we'll get the boys thoughts on that and plenty

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This is from Luke at Oilboy76. Oh, no. Tell Sammy thanks for hexing my oil with his picks yesterday and further rubbing it in with that awful hat. This is objectively a great hat. First off, that is one of the most beautiful hockey hats. It's a phenomenal hat.

And it's too, I can use it for golf too, because it's kind of like thin. Yeah. Like it's a great golf bucket too. Just give it to him, Luke. Oh, yeah. Just give it to him. Listen, they own you.

Listen, I support ever being mad at Sammy, but Oil Boy is not the tag I wanted to hear it from. I don't know. It's like you're like, it's like Mitchie 55. He's like, I got my top tie. I think I know your opinion on this. All right, the league announced Brendan Dillon. We'll have a hearing with the NHL department of safety over a head hit on

Noel. Achari. Your thoughts on the hit. JB. Not great, Bob. You know, I do think that it was a genuinely tough timing hit you know like you're

kind of coming horizontally and a player moving vertically and it's kind of tough to pick that shoulder clean so i don't think it's intensely malicious but it's a bad hit can't people in the head it's on uh it's on dylan to avoid that so probably a couple games i think that's always the case just in terms of the angle right you're not and if it's avoidable angle for him smaller guy too and the charge shorter and the problem is if it is at that risky angle that's tough to time you can't be as reckless going in there and dylan was certainly reckless i do two games for me what's that two games yeah i think for sure two games maybe three depending on the injury report for achari that's always a factor here but i think dylan's one of

our best hitters out there he's a little greasy he's really greasy yeah they got that pionk too on their back he's a he's a little greasy, too. That guy's been, like, he's got, like, 2,000 hits he's been credited with. Really? Yeah, since, I don't know, he broke in the league 2012, 2013. He's never been suspended before, and this guy hits. There's a couple good hits last night. Did you see Zdorov? Who did he get on Carolina?

He got someone really good on Carolina. Like, love it. Random thing. I questioned earlier this year, NHL hits have not been recorded in the same way this year. So the stats are all messed up. Remember I came on the show once and I was like, actually the Leafs are second in hits this year.

And it's like, no, they're not. I don't know exactly what it is, but there's some recalculating to be done there. Anyway. I think too, is like,

you know, who's, who, who's counting these things? Oh, it's, is like, you know, who's counting these things? It's, you know, like. Like some kid, they're giving like $12 an hour to free popcorn. No, it's like Wilford Brimley, who's enjoyed watching games since he was a kid and now has time to volunteer and he's wearing the Coke bottle lenses. Remember. That's a hit.

Remember it. That's who it is. I remember being a kid going to Maple Leaf Gardens and just seeing, like, the oldest men as gold judges. They're lovely. Lovely, but older than dirt and can't see past their hands. Okay. I don't know.

The home team probably wouldn't. Which color? is that blue i think we've come a long way haven't we we have i don't know did you uh there's a see marshawn get lit up pretty good by possibly last night yeah oh my god i will say the slow motion bails out possible a bit because it's all glove. It looks like he goes in stick. But it's a bad hit. Oh, yeah. Not suspendable, though. Martian standing in the crease. I think it's a game.

Smashing the covered puck. Like, he is slashing. At some point, you reap what you sow. Sure. Wow. Can you imagine if it was flipped? Oh, he would. Everybody would be screaming.

You're not allowed to then go murder him. You got kicked out of the game. That was fine. That was fine. Punishment. You're right. It was a stiff penalty for a stiff play, but I'm just saying it's not like you do a thing so people are allowed to do a thing. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the guy that's

slashing the goalie with a reputation for not being the most honorable fella. Yeah, he might eat one in the chops. Your time comes. Sure. And his time came. But this is separate from we shouldn't penalize the guy who did the chop eating.

Oh, I'm okay with him getting penalized. Chop feeding. Chop feeding. What did he eat, a five? Five in a game. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's enough. There we go.

Perfect. Arizona. Kind of the news a little bit today, hearing it? Yeah. Well, just this kind of floating feeling like there was some sort of not a soft deadline around NHL All-Star where they had to get their crap in order. And is their crap in order? And I think Commissioner Gary Bantman

is trying to find that out right now. Somebody had suggested that he may be in Arizona orzona or on his way to arizona to get answers yeah well you know just hearing some of the reporting on it i guess i didn't realize this like deadline you're talking about was i thought it was like ah they needed a lease agreement by then or they're going to do the next annoying bureaucratic red tape thing but it sounds like it's actually getting serious in terms of, like, ownership. Well, we heard from executive director of the NHLPA, Marty Walsh,

and he's like... Today's the deadline. He's had it, right? He's absolutely had it. Any day past today is too long. It's too long. And I think now probably Gary and Bill Daley are like, okay, we'll find out what's happening for sure.

And if it's concrete, then I guess we put pen to paper. And if it's not, then we move on. So what does move on? Well, there's a couple different options, including Salt Lake City. The question is, does Alex, the owner of Arizona, have a chance to sell to him straight? Or would Gary pull the franchise back, clear up his debt, stroke him a nice little check,

and then the owners basically are of the Arizona Coyotes and can sell and hit their billion mark or their 1.2 or whatever he's willing to pay. It would be pretty egregious to feel like Arizona could spin their wheels in the desert, play in a college hockey barn, then let the owner turn around and make half a billion dollars on a sale or whatever. He wouldn't even buy the team for 600 or something.

You know, like it's... Not great optics. No, it's not. Like, so I wonder if, yeah, the league wouldn't be involved at some point. I guess I didn't realize that the potential for the end of this ownership group in Arizona is nigh. Is there a chance for it to not be there to start next year?

Is it that quick? Yeah? Wow. If they find a suitable building that can accommodate them, then there's a chance that it could happen that quickly. It's really no different than Atlanta to Winnipeg all over again. Yeah, that was a one. It's just it's not happening, it's not happening, it's not happening,

and then it is. And then it is. Yeah. And we know Winnipeg had their their building ready and willing and able and salt lake has a building that they can i do believe so yeah well they got the where the jazz play is that this is it the same it's the same ownership right so there you go i believe so i played in the east center in west valley there i think it holds 14 000 it's a big rink. Certainly more than Mullet Arena. And I'm not hearing the city Houston's going away, and I'm not hearing Atlanta's going away either,

just in terms of the talk and the attention. And Atlanta's got Anson Carter behind that push. Hmm. Atlanta and Houston and Salt Salt Lake City how soon like well there's no building right now in Atlanta so I don't know how that plays out would they play somewhere else temporarily and then wait for a new building to come in I don't know oh I don't think so no not based on their history of failing twice can't be be temporary. You can't. If you're moving, if you're moving this team, there can't be any temporary involved.

Yeah. It's got to be. A big wave of excitement. To where you're going with the rink, that's NHL capacity, class. You can't be like, we're moving out of Mullet Arena to another rink that we may not be at for a long period of time it's a professional hockey league Seattle's never going anywhere

they have a home and a culture already fan base big time so I don't think we're going to hear anything especially around Super Bowl but maybe they got to update that situation.

I think the league kind of shied away from it. They were pretty happy to share how many emails or applications they may or may not have. Classic Gary. That was easy. Everyone wants to be in our league. That's a pretty good... It's a Gary trademark.

It is. All right, what else is tickling your fancy? Pooley RV? I'm not that tickled by that. Is he getting another chance? Two years with the Pittsburgh Penguins and Kyle Dubas. What do you got? 800.

Surprise. Two years. Who are you outbidding? Is it a two-way contract? I don't think it is. Can we cap friendly that real quick? No problem. I should have had that.

Is there a minor league clause in it? Here is what our own Jason Bukala has to say about his time in Wilkes-Barre. Wilkes-Barre? Wilkes-Barre. There it is. Basically, he said he was creating offense in a variety of ways. Still needs to prove it at the NHL level, but he's been boxing out opponents,

been moving well on open ice. He's shown he can pull away from opponents and take pucks to the net off the rush. Pittsburgh's looking for anything. The Penguins are... The Dubas just went to the Yellow Leafs. They're top-heavy. They need someone who can help. 800K. The Penguins are... The Dubas just went to the Yellow Leafs. They're top-heavy. They need someone who can help.

800K. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. What are they going to do with Gensel? I don't know. Are they going to do something? Well, yeah. I think the right thing to do is to trade him.

But I don't think. One month now. I don't think Kyle can look at Sid Crosby in the eyes and do that. This might be like. Are you going to lose Crosby? Trade Gensel, lose Crosby right away? Well, you're going to piss him off. Is that what you mean by losing him? Well, yeah.

You don't want to piss off Sid. No. You want to be on the same team? Yeah, I don't know. Not sure there. So. Oh, yeah. You don't want to piss off Sid. No. You want to be on the same team. Yeah, I don't know. Not sure there. Oh, yeah. You're going to bring up the power play stuff? I was going to.

Yeah. Yesterday we were talking about the Leafs and their power play time on ice and how their big dogs just don't get off the rink, it seems like. But it really has become a trend, right, around the NHL. Over the last few years, it just seems like it's been easier for the big dogs to eat up yeah the two minutes so i sorted uh just forwards in the nhl by power play toy percentage so the percentage of the team's power play time that they're on the

ice and there was something hilarious in there that i wanted to give you. Top five is Pasternak, placed 79%. McKinnon is 79.6 at fourth. Third is Rantanen, so Colorado, the big guys are out there a lot. Kucherov is second, 84% of the Tampa Bay Lightning's time. And Alex Ovechkin is first at 96%. A full 12% ahead of second. He is on the rink the entirety that's been for. The entirety of the power play. 15 straight years. And they're like, I'm sure Carberry came in and was like, on the breakout, you're going

to come back in our end. And he was like, a no, no. I'm going to stay on the blue line. He went out there with a Sharpie. Yeah. And Drew was like, this is where I am. I go from the top of the circle to the blue line to stay on side and back to the top of the circle. 96% of the power play time.

That's. Which is wild. Egregious. He's got 10 tucks all year. Yeah. He's up to 10 now in the season, which is on pace for 18 goals. I don't know. I don't know how Carberry and the coaching staff now move forward

for the next year and a half because it's almost as if you got two thoughts here that I got to build a team that can win or set a culture up that is going to move our

program forward or we got to break a record for Wayne Gretzky. It's like one of the two. Ovi has to be on the power play in that spot. He has to be out with the net empty. But you can't have both. You cannot have, you can't walk into a room

and give the guys the feeling that we're going to give our team the best chance to learn and be better and build a culture here, and we got to get him the record too. Yeah. You're so right. It's like that's an impossible coaching. Impossible. It is.

You have to pick. Yeah. And right now, I think they're picking Ovi. They are picking Ovi. Ovi makes 12.5 in total salary this year. 9.5 is the cap hit. But he makes that next year and the year after too. You know, obviously, I just, this year 9.5 is the cap hit but he makes that next year and the year after too you know obviously

i just if he's going to be a guy who gets 20 goals a year and you have to play him two minutes of your power play that's tough tough to have success that's your identity now yeah you are the record chasing team yeah if you're everyone else in the room how do you not resent that oh listen like guys are trying for contracts and this is the part that can upset the apple cart because we're going to go back to your power play quick yeah okay is that like you're taking up two minutes of the power play it's it's what you're leaving the rest of the team and the vibe that you have it. So if you're super successful, there's only one way it works, is every time you're out there. You're the best.

You're the best. You're scoring. Our team has a better chance at winning. The rest of the bench have to just shut up. Yeah. But if it's not working all the time, and there's some times when you're tired at the end, and you give up a breakaway

or the guy jumps out of the box and scores. That's when half the bench goes, come on. That's when you're giving your coach the one eye, like, we're okay with this? Yeah, you're okay with that and you're just going to keep feeding that. Then you lose half your bench. Yeah.

So true. It is funny looking at the top power play percentage time on ice guys like by percentage of their team there's clusters right like the the lightning guy or the guys are out there a lot um dry saddle nuge and mcdavid are eight nine ten there was 76 roughly of their team's time connect skies are right behind that these guys are in the high 20s 26 28 29 at 71%. But I do have some data that they're taking long shifts to get there. So it's not like they're getting a lot of shifts.

They're just staying out there. Interesting stuff. Listen, yesterday we didn't mention it, but I want to mention it today. One of my heroes, Lanny McDonald, of course, on his way back home from All-Star weekend, he mentioned having a cardiac event after arriving back to the Calgary airport. Lanny, we love you.

We hope you're on your way back. Absolutely. And triple thumbs up here from the real Kipper and Bourne Show. And also, happy anniversary to another idol of mine, Daryl Sittler. 48 years ago tonight, 10-point night. Another memorable night for yours truly. Mitch, he's going to end it for yours truly.

Are you out there or what? No, but I watched. Oh, you loved it. You guys were sperm. Sorry. You guys were nothing but sperm back then. Maybe a Leaf player will match it tonight. That'll never be broken

enjoy the Knights games and we're back tomorrow