Real Kyper & Bourne - Pens' Present & Future Outlook with Colby Armstrong

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined by former NHLer and Sportsnet hockey analyst Colby Armstrong (5:21) in-studio to discuss if there are concerns with the Pittsburgh Penguins' veteran players' ages catching up to them, expectations for the club this season, the bigger picture from Sidney Crosby signing a 2-year extension. Then, he discusses Barry Trotz's aggressiveness during the offseason, the Nashville Predators' outlook, and how Craig Berube can push the current Maple Leafs' core. Then, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee wrap up the week by reading out listener's texts.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

let's go national it's a real kipper and born show that kipper host justin born sammy mckee we are live on sportsnet 650 in vancouver sportsnet 960 in calgary seeing coast to coast on sportsnet this hour real kipper and born is brought to you by Bet365. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Colby Armstrong, former NHLer, Sportsnet hockey analyst on Wednesdays, and host of Chicklets Game Notes. All right, Sammy. Have you heard him on that? Should we?

He's not here. Yeah, I heard him today. Have you? Yeah, he's good. He's cool. Yeah, he's cool. No, like, Colby's obviously great. Yeah, he's cool.

This is like a cousin or a sister to Spittin' Chicklets. Yeah, so I don't really take in any other hockey content. And I don't mean that to be condescending to that show. I don't listen to... We do our show. I watch video.

I read articles. I'm not allowed to listen to Spittin' Chicklets. My wife won't let me. The language is too bad. I just... Listen, if we didn't have the... I consume hockey different ways. I'm not allowed to listen to Spittin' Checklist. My wife won't let me. The language is too bad. I just... Listen, if we didn't have the... I consume hockey different ways. I'm sure there'd be a few swears in this show if we didn't have to... There'd be a few swears. My first couple years, I

kind of forgot we were on the air. No, you were just... I had a few words that probably I'd like to take back. I think you wanted it to feel like hockey talk, and it was. Yeah. I think Steve Thomas was one of our first guests we had our first week. We've had probably. Multiple hard Fs.

We've had half a dozen F-bombs on our show. You know, the biggest question I get is, how do you go on air and don't swear? Because when I'm off air, I swear a lot. Swearing has taken a whole new level, even mainstream. And I know we don't drop F-bombs on Sportsnet shows. Yeah, Michelle. But it wasn't too long ago that we wouldn't even bleep F-words.

And now it's like listening to Conor McDavid on the face-off for Amazon, where that's like headline stuff. And now it's like listening to Connor McDavid on the face off for Amazon, where that's like headline stuff where it's all about his F bombs. You know, it's funny. So I was actually talking with my mom today and she was saying she was sitting near some, you know, gentlemen,

my age who are just F this F that out in public. And she was just saying grown men would never used to sit near another woman, an older woman and just have no like swearing culturally is different than it used to be. It was a big. Do you swear in front of your parents or your mom? No, I, you know, okay. Rarely, very rarely. I try not.

If I drop an F-bomb with my wife in the room, she's letting me know. Is that right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she doesn't like it. Okay, I got the mouth of a sailor, though, because I'll swear in front of my mom. I'll swear in front of anyone. I swear. It's pretty low class, man. Yeah. Now that we're talking about it a little bit here, I'm slobbering.

It is kind of... I'm a swearer. Is this an intervention? I like it. I need to talk to you. If I get wound up, I'm like Sammy, too, and I'm like, yeah, I kind of don't like myself for it okay i think it doesn't bother me but i do think that there is some value in picking your settings a

little bit it's a fact too right yeah yeah like you're not if you're mad or you effing mad yeah or you know levels a big goal in the playoffs release let's go turns into let's effing go yeah kind of sure okay okay anyways all right gonna swear and there's probably some people in the florida panthers organization swearing today about barkov going into the boards awkwardly getting helped off we've seen them on occasion disappear like that yeah i mean they had a heck of a run last year all the way to the Stanley Cup, and he managed to stay healthy, but he's had his fair share of injuries,

and he's just so important to them. He is. More so and more important than that. Mm. Excuse me. Shout out to the Ottawa Senators. Oh, my God, they won. Sennies come out of the gates not just with a win,

but a win against the Florida Panthers. The cattle whisperer, Linus Allmark, with a great first night. I think Ottawa has a soft second game. I'm like, okay. Here we go. Yesterday after the show, I got a message from Aaron Downey, who's ex-NHL alumni, and alumni and he's like yeah if you're a cowboy you get that reference from all mark yeah it makes total sense right about cows and

the clip that uh someone else shared today there's no doubt it makes sense but like briz wasn't wrong that the universe is humongous big it's just a weird time to reference it that's all it's not wrong it's whatever it is it worked yeah right he was very good and the team had a huge effort uh and sent a message that maybe they might be ready to to challenge or do we just look at the first couple of games and just say they have been at in 20 games in they've been last last last second last last the last five years so we're just hoping uh they can win enough to get competitive and be in the fight soon enough well look at this here speaking of being in the fight let's welcome in Colby Armstrong, who's worked here for probably off and on 10, 12 years

and still found a way to get lost to our studio. No entry music. Mic on. Press the on button, the red one there. Very good. No entry music when I come on. Nothing. Just no intro. Boring. Here's come on. Nothing. Just boring.

Because here's Colby. But great to see you guys. Great to see you too, pal. Even with no intro music. Yeah, I know. I don't need much. We needed a stone cold breaking glass coming into the room. Yeah, something, right?

Sorry, pal. But I'm fired up to be here. I'm giving a tour for some local Penguins fans that are here that we're friends with. Amazing. Hello, Penguins fans that are here that we're friends with. Amazing. Hello, Penguins fans. So I kind of brought them in to like scout what I do and show them how cool our studios are here. And, you know, mostly like the hockey side. So we had to make our way over here. It's like amazing here.

Has he pretended like he knows what he's doing for the most part? You know what my secret is? What is it? My secret saying is, I have no clue what I'm doing, but I know exactly what I'm doing. If that makes any sense. It definitely does, which is perfect for you.

I had one with Darren Millard all those years, and it'd be like two seconds before the red light comes on, I'm like, what are we doing? What are we talking about today? No, I know, right?

And there'd be like full panic. I've actually heard that that's something you would regularly say. Oh, yeah, I have no clue what we we doing? What are we talking about today? No, I know, right? And there'd be like full panic. I've actually heard that that's something you would regularly say pre-show. Oh yeah, I have no clue what we're doing. Yeah, yeah, Carolyn Cameron. So where do you want to start just in terms of storylines? We're going to go right across the board.

I know you opened up for Wednesday Night Hockey here with the guys, Toronto and Montreal. Where do you want to go? Well, obviously the first thing that jumps out to me is just something I feel, and you guys as players probably start of the year. I feel like from what I know of hockey, the way hockey's going defensively, meat and potatoes hockey, we see a few teams that play that style. But I think what we're seeing, especially early here,

is teams that play that style find it a little easier to get to their game. Yeah. And the teams that are off the rush execution rely on sharpness, timing in the first couple games of the season here. It's a little bit more difficult for them, and it looks a little ugly. A lot of it's mentality too, right? Oh, yeah, we're here we go again right but i think from what i'm seeing it's a little bit of that until teams can truly get

their legs and their brains right rolling in the right spot so you do a lot of coverage of the pittsburgh penguins who are going to toronto on saturday night uh have they just played the one game against the rangers no no they played det last night. I was in Detroit last night. Convincing. That's right. I didn't see that one. You know what happened? Two stories, right?

Yeah. They stunk and they were good last night. Horrible. The whole way through. Back to front. Everything. And then the next night, Blomquist. Blomquist, their rookie goaltender in his first NHL game.

He was an all-star in the American League last year. Stood on his head. Had a great game, great showing. And the Penguins found their legs in the second period. The four check got going, kind of that meat and potato style. And they found their game. They started to get going. And then, you know, you score.

You get some confidence. Things start feeling a little better. But, yeah, tale of two teams. So, who knows Saturday night? It's big. Pretty cool though, boys. Rangers opening night. Then I'm in Detroit.

Haven't been to Little Caesars Arena ever too. It was cool to go there. Yeah, really nice. And then Leafs Saturday night, hockey night in Canada, which is so cool. And then off to Montreal on this road trip. So those original six teams right out the gates, it's a pretty good way to start the year.

Colby is doing everything this year. You're doing Penguins broadcast. You're doing some work with us here as well. You're doing TNT, Game Notes, checklist Game Notes. Yeah, did that today. Your kid's going to call you uncle by March? Yeah, I know. It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. Uncle Colby's back to visit. They'd expect me to put bigger bags of money on the table, but I don't. So the Penguins then, since you've seen both sides of it, the concern, I guess, is that the best players there have gotten old. Yeah. Malkin and Carlson. Are they, do they still have the legs?

Is he going to be there this year? Well, Gino got his 800 assists last night. And he was pretty good. And he's looked great in camp. Like, he's got jump. And he's got two goals away from 500 goals. Okay. So, like, he was pretty pumped to get that puck on that 800 milestone assist.

So, I think, like, there's, like, an added drive to him. He's got jump in his legs i talked to him about he's like i got i got this steel i got i usually get it like profiled but he just took it out of the box and sharpened it he said it's like buddy i'm flying i thought that was pretty good from an old time yeah but he he looks like he has good jump like he's looked good through camp through pre-season and and early well last game no one looked good in the first game really but um last games look good so uh i think those guys will always be there you know they're just you know gino's a little more bull like with his play and and can get circling and looping and stuff but you know sid knows when

to dial it in and and when to you know create at the right time like he could be a little quiet through some of the games but when it when he gets his puck in a certain area with a guy on his back they seem to get it done carlson missed a little bit with injury he's now back scored their first power play goal of the season which is obviously a big topic that would be good uh yeah second last in the league last year on the power play was not good so and maybe one of the reasons why they didn't battle into that last wild card spot so do we assume that the pittsburgh penguins are somewhere between being embarrassed by the rangers and beating detroit last night and feeling good and feeling okay so is that going to be good enough for this team is it going to be good enough for the city i can only imagine yeah what those fans and many of them had left by the third period they were booing and like bronx cheering them and uh so like where is this team when it's all said and done and colby i want

to get into it a little bit with sid resigning and then and the time that it took him to sign and what does that mean for this year and next year yeah for sid and the fans if if they don't find a way to make the playoffs yeah well i think looking at it i think and fenway sports group right ownership and what when they went and signed though like malkin and letang a few years ago to that extension when there was like these guys aren't going to be back there was that leading into that then you know they signed letang at the draft in montreal um and gino followed but once that happened like sid's coming back you know so he signs that extension but like the mandate from going from okay where these guys are going to leave

we're going to flip things over here now you know you look at the age and what you're looking to do the cupboards are bare they haven't had first round picks in forever and they've always been going for it and had teams that are you know contenders i think right now with the core guys and trying to bring in a rucker mcgrorty trying to get some games for this Blomquist, and having some prospects pop. We haven't had in Pittsburgh a young player come in since those back-to-back cups when it was like Brian Rust and those guys were popping up.

Gensel and Connor Sherry and Tom Kunakl and Carter Rowney. These are some guys that were brought up, the Wilkes-Barre guys, they call them, the American League guys. So it's been a long time since some of these players and some prospects and some young guys. And so I think they're kind of in between right now. You've seen them bring in, you know, Beauvilliers

and some of these guys, Hayes, and some guys that are in positions where they can kind of supplement and we know what they are. Maybe they can have a good year for us, right? We've seen them be good before. And so it's kind of in the middle right now. And I think that the expectations were tampered pretty good

with Kyle Dubas this year a little bit on the team. But at the same time, who knows? If that power play can be half decent, and they can play really the last last 13 games of season last year where they were a completely different team. And with the, you know, insurgence of,

you know, some younger faces and legs, I don't know. Cause that bottom part of the Eastern conference boys is, I think it's up for grabs. Yeah. Like when you look at it. So those card one, wild card two, what else, you know, right. Yeah. is, I think it's up for grabs. Yeah. Like when you look at it. So those.

Wild card one, wild card two. What else? You know, right? Well, I mean, you mentioned with all that talent, they finished 31st in the power play last year. Yeah. You finished 15th and you're in the playoffs for sure. I got, you're going to move on?

I want one more Sid. Go ahead. Stick with Sid. Okay. I hated the fact that Sid didn't get a raise. I think it's a bad look. Of course, we love Sid. Okay. I hated the fact that Sid didn't get a raise. I think it's a bad look. Of course, we love Sid. He can do whatever he wants.

He's not 27 or 28. He's, you know, later 30s. Yeah. I get it. But I still think it's a bad look for the league, not for Sid or anything else. But I will say this, that a two-year extension means that we can finally put to rest that he will ever go anywhere else. You agree or disagree? I agree.

I agree. And I know I've always bugged Sid like I'm the loud mouth in his ear and he's like the composed, smart face of the league. And I'd be like, dude, why'd you sign that long deal like look what austin did he signed that five-year deal he gets a role with the you know cap and you get to max he's like ben when i signed that deal like everyone signed those deals like tase and kane and these guys i also like to get out of the first round a lot yeah yeah yeah that's true um and he was just like that was how it was done at that time you know how long was that deal he had signed 13 13 year yeah oh man that's gross 8.7 you know what other superstar

never got a raise in 15 years yeah crazy right for what he's done and then 93 94 points 82 games the last two seasons when he's old and done. And, you know, that power play had been going. He's 100 points, and that's 50-goal season last year. For sure. And they didn't trade Gensel maybe too. He probably got there. Yeah.

You know, and also the thing in talking to him is, like, he's fully aware. He's, like, so different. Like, he's fully aware of his obviously his age and his ability and the health of the franchise and in the last year of that deal if it's not going his way that he saddles you know what if he signs three instead of a two-year extensions, and he saddles the pens with a 35 over dinger on the cap. That's a good point. He's thoughtful that way about the game, Kipper.

And I guess that's what separates him a little bit. And I understand where you're coming from. When you see Shusterkin turning down a whatever contract and his prime and all these guys, these contracts is where he's coming up and it's i think it's just he's more thoughtful at his age and his career of where he's at and what's i also got to think the fenway group might have asked them what are your plans yeah i wonder if I post after this. Yeah. Right? I wonder. Oh. Hey. Interesting. What do you think?

There might be work available for you. What do you want to do? Yeah, exactly. What's the highest lifetime penguin? What's the highest ambassador contract in sports? Is it like the gold parachute, eye wink, and handshake kipper? I remember. Don't you worry, Sid.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's i think it's familiar with alumni and guys get paid x per game they go to a lot of these older guys so i'm sure if uh sid will have some opportunities to earn some more like gm or you know assistant gm or whatever you want emperor of the pain just put on a suit and keep showing up to the rink and you're a penguin yeah emperor yeah um ownership can i turn the sid page yet yes you up to the rink. Emperor or Penguin? Yeah, Emperor, yeah. Ownership. Can I turn the Sid page yet? Yes.

You want to ask about his extended family or anything? I'm going to look after Sid because Sid looked after the league for a lot of years. He did. I do want to talk about age, though. And, you know, these older players and for the Penguins, it hasn't worked out, but they're an older team. They're the third oldest team in the NHL. I don't know if you guys could guess who's the oldest edmonton i think right yes you know who's up there too crazy chicago yes good answer i'm talking about that on the television tonight uh the chicago's fifth edmonton's first edmonton is a year older on average

than the second oldest team the nashville predators the oilers have one forward under 30 on their team it's a pod calls it so they're old does it matter can you you know bet short summer back to back here is that a good thing or a bad thing that their veteran experience trying to win a cup as the oldest team in the well my buddy off my podcast or podcast their game notes got in trouble last season or stirred up some controversy for um talking about number one d-men that are under six feet and the success of winning with d-men like that and is there any he went down at like a massive list of like fans are bad yeah very bad um but they've got some monsters around them there in Vancouver. Like, everyone's like 6'4 around them.

But, you know, is, so, like, does it matter or doesn't it? I think having some youth around for the enthusiasm and the grind is, I think, good. I think healthy for teams. Can you win with it? Yeah, I think you can. I think you can teams. Can you win with it? Yeah, I think you can. I think you can. It's not prohibitive to be old. We're seeing Stamkos and Mustard last night for you.

Weird. Weird. Who's the weirdest you've ever seen? Brett Hall, Arizona. I can't even think of that. But it happened. Gretzky st louis still was yeah it's weird text us 595 90 jerome aginla in any other jersey but a flames jersey he was a penguin he was a brew and he was a ave was he an ave for a bit too la i saw a picture of rick

talking a boston bruin uniform yeah yeah yeah bobby or being blackhawks also you know i wasn't around to watch that but you know you don't see many pictures that but it existed it's out there do you like nashville's pushing commitment to now through free agency think that they're gonna like it in the west i like it will it work out i don't know pretty good risk to take to go and get some marquee guys that are good in their spots and can add to the depth of your team um I think one guy that's getting overlooked in all of it though and maybe not maybe I'm just saying this because I got called out for saying he was underrated is Forsberg there yeah like how many goals are you going to score this year too and we're talking about everyone else which is kind of cool but i like what trots did i like his aggressiveness with

their team and you know where some of their guys were at they they the last few years leading up to like they had guys that were they're american league guys that were you know almost got them in the playoffs and so that was a world of experience for some of their guys they kind of turn it around quick didn't they and you know then you're in a position where you can go make something happen. Would you have Yossi up there as your D-man of the year this year? Why would you? I'm like, what's he going to do? He's done it already.

Like, he's been the guy. Like, how many points is he going to? Like, they're looking on paper. Like, they're at the top of the list in the west for probably a lot of people top you know four teams that you look at that you're going oh boy right great job this summer yeah can craig bruby grab the attention of the toronto maple leafs like rick talkett did last year for the vancouver canucks i think he can So in talking about the Leafs this year, the thing with me about them is that exact topic is like a bomb in my brain that I keep going, this is the difference.

This is the mentality change difference that they need. How long will it take for them to get there? But, you know, I look at like Florida, right? Like they play playoff hockey all year long. It's hard to do. I look at like Florida, right? Like they play playoff hockey all year long. It's hard to do. I look at the Leafs. If he can get them pushed in that direction to play that style of hockey or the style that you'd want your team to play in the playoffs,

but you have the caliber of players that they have inside of that being able to do that, like that's the ultimate goal right because i think they're done messing around with what they've done the last number of years right like these players and stuff too so i think it's a good change i think it's the right mentality and i think ultimately in my brain i'm going it's the difference maker that's yeah for them that they need have you played for any coaches that you felt like uh able to push a button in a different way you know the way the talk it came in obviously very different than boudreaux would you have responded better for someone like that then yeah that's a good question

i've had like i've had michelle terrian for like almost my entire career the minors in pittsburgh then i had him later in montreal oh boy and uh that's a hard coach yeah he's hard yeah yeah but and he was simplistic with his message and um and a simplistic style of play but demanding yeah and i think that's what those guys are right i think that's what they demand and what they push towards and i love brube's interviews he's as close we'll get our show but he could cancel our show yeah on some days say anything no i know i know he's like he's like borderline like we're back in the you know la interviews with sutter yeah and i love it i love it it is funny but he's a simple guy he wants hard work he wants he wants a style of play

that works that he knows and there's a simplistic way about the way he talks to people, too. Like, it's great. Can we give some love to Winnipeg Jets for shellacking? Shellacking. The Stanley Cup finalists. Shellacking. Shellacking. Like, is Lowry on Team Canada?

That's actually a funny... Just put him on it after night one. But that line... But that line he's on for years now, they're awesome. They're awesome, but he's a horse. He's good on face-offs. He's physical. He can check.

He can do stuff that, let's face it, a lot of guys that are going to be on that team don't want to do. And he can produce. And he's been one of their more consistent, good, steady, all-around guys, and he's huge. He's got a lot of... They're sneaky, aren't they? Jordan Stahl.

Yeah. That's what Lowry's turned himself into. Yeah. Monster. Monster. Monster in a good spot, not overextended. Good spot for him in that lineup and important with his line,

but they're sneaky, man. I didn't know. I was on the bandwagon last year, hardcore, but they're sneaky, man. I didn't know. I was on the bandwagon last year, hardcore, and it all came crashing down hard. It has for a lot of years. Our broadcast that I was working here in the playoffs when I was like, it's on Hellebuck's shoulders to steal this period and win the game,

and then he just was a light show. Kyle Connor is not the first guy you think of when you think about top scores, but he is a top scorer. He's a beast. He is so good. Shaved his head this year. Do you see that?

Doesn't have the slick back gingy going. He's got the shaved buzz cut head. He's going to have to wear knit caps. Can Perfetti be like an explosion this year would that be something for them yeah but they just play solid they play in your face frustrating solid hockey with ability to get it going like that game lowry's line got it going and it took a while then the big boys bing bing bing just started scoring and then hellebuck. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Yeah. No, he's the guy. Ottawa Senators as well. Some people have him in. Some people have him out. I had him in last year. You had him in last year. So you've got to go again this year.

I went off him this year because I gave up. Oh, you did. I gave up. I like them, though. I think they're an exciting team. I think, you know, the-mark edition um the look to add some veteran guys which has been a lot big combo around that team in that group um prove it to me prove it to me yeah a little something early two teams that haven't like needed desperately good

starts that apparently they're fast they're They're fast, they're skilled. Detroit and Buffalo. Hey, they play physical too. Are they? Yeah. Wow, look at Brady. Brady. They're a bear of a team if they could string together some consistency

and get some goaltending as well. But they're an exciting team to me. Like I've been excited about them for the last number of years, but it's just like they're leaking oil. Who's feeling in detroit uh stevie y or kevin adams who's in a worse spot right now just who's feeling more pressure i it's crazy right because you have buffalo on a wild card hunt maybe and you we keep putting trying to push buffalo into there and they haven't shown us anything like they could be in there i think i think buffalo i think adams yeah well i look at detroit i'm not necessarily saying detroit has to make the playoffs but

like enough of the talk about we've drafted well and we got good young players they have to go and win yeah actual series this this year they have to win well and we got good young players. They have to go and win. Yeah. Actual series. This year they have to win games and they got to put themselves. I know they were close last year but the next step is making the playoffs. Results. It's not being close again. Results.

Business. And yeah it hasn't been there. Hasn't been there. Alright we got to get to game time and Sammy and Tex. Is it over already? Yeah. All right, Colt. So are you around like every week now?

I'm like hit or miss depending on my schedule to be in here. But yeah, they got rid of Mondays. So I was like the Monday, Tuesday guy forever, Borty. You know that in there. Grinding away and then got in some Mondays last year, and then gone, so now I'm a Wednesday guy. Welcome to Wednesdays.

We're glad to have you. You built up Wednesdays so much that they sold it for like, Mondays, yeah. Hundreds of millions of dollars, because the only, did you see any of it?

No. None. Hard enough. Can't wait to get home after this road honey I'm home with this really appreciate you coming in for us on a Friday I love it we love having you we appreciate it

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On terror only, please play responsibly. Couple things for tonight. Tampa Bay are in Carolina to take on the Hurricanes. Tampa Bay underdog today. Somewhat surprising to me. Plus 125. Carolina minus 150 on home ice. I don't know if I love that line from a Carolina perspective.

And the Philadelphia Flyers in Vancouver to take on the Canucks. Flyers are plus 150. Vancouver minus 185. Huge favorites. Little thing that I got for you here. Same game parlay for the Lightning game. Love a Jake Gensel goal in a Lightning win.

Gensel goal in his debut would pay plus 325. So that's a little one that I cooked up for. Hit my anytime goal score last night macklin celebrini scores in his nhl debut not exactly the most beautiful goal you're ever going to get for your first one but hey it went in the net it's his first one so good for him get off the schneid uh watched a bit of that game thought he looked pretty impressive he was flying around out there uh draymond green in the house yeah draymond obviously worked with celebrini's

dad jim say obviously pretty good worked with Celebrini's dad. I shouldn't say obviously. Pretty good. Worked with Celebrini's dad with the Golden State Warriors. Pretty good list too, right? Since 2000, he joins what? Do you want to hear the guys that scored in their debut? First overall picks? Ovechkin scored in his debut. Tavares scored in his debut.

The Nuge scored in his debut. Austin Matthews scored in his debut. And the latest one is Macklin Celebrini. Eight years since it happened. I remember Mario versus boston like it was yesterday yeah first breakaway first shift first and you remember also his last and the deke was a breakaway goal as well he scored his last yeah i think on his last shift yeah that one didn't carry him off anybody's skate. No. But that Celebrini, you could just see, like, that goal doesn't happen by sheer luck.

I mean, you got to create that energy for it to... For sure. Creating chaos, whipping it into a dangerous area. You've got a chance to be real special for San Jose. Is it weird to me that it's very off-putting with the numbers on their top line? With Eklund wearing 72, Celebrini wearing 71,

and Tyler Toffoli wearing 73, that they're all wearing numerical numbers? I don't know. It does not look good to me. Too many 70s. Too many 70s. It does look like

an offensive line out there with those three numbers. That's a little pointless thing, but it did jump out to me. Anyways, that was Game Time presented by Bet365 visit the app for this odds and find out why it's never ordinary at bet365 must be 19 plus on terror only please play responsibly it's it's got to be a little unnerving for the tampa bay lightning right knowing what just happened back home and having family and friends and obviously themselves affected by it.

Like this is a tough time to focus and play on hockey knowing what's going on back home. Yeah, there's no doubt. There's some real-world life getting in the way of our silly little game here. So, yeah, hopefully everything's all right. Obviously, it didn't end up being the worst case scenario but still ended up pretty awful for a lot of people so we have a few texts uh and by a few i mean a lot but there's a really great one a great

a swear before you tell us that one thing i want to correct i asked you about uh players under 30 on the oilers i meant aside from from McDavid and Dreisaitl, who are 27-28. So obviously you got crapped by somebody on social media and said, like, you're stupid. I was like, did I not say that? Justin, you're stupid. Yeah, I called it done.

Anyway. So this is apparently a morning show in Vancouver story about swearing on air. One time famously on the Half Room Brough Morning Show, Jason spent the first three to four minutes of the show trying to set Mike off, and he straight up told him to F off at 6.04 a.m. And to this day, it's one of my favorite moments.

One simple F off. That's the most Jason Brough story I've ever heard. I love it. Not too long ago, like, you're fired. You're done. You'll never work in the industry again. And now we're just all having a laugh. Yeah, I mean, I think there were intentional swear words

are different than whoops, did I let that one slide, aren't they? So there's a ton of submissions for person who looked the weirdest in a jersey on the text line. I don't know if you want to get into some of those, but there's a ton of those. So lots of all-mark love on the text line i don't know if you want to get into some of those but there's a ton of those uh so lots of all mark love on the text line lots of more continued ottawa talk on the text line i think if you're a sense fan that win last night has to be one of the most exciting wins that you could possibly have yeah just over the florida panthers defending cup champion you're the the i

know we mentioned it a bit before we got to colby but like having him look that good and against a tough game just they usually lose that game yes right buddy they're usually 4 and 14 by you know middle of november so and that was all but admitted by some of the players in their postgame comments was that we just found ways to lose these type of games right the last few years i know you use a lot of golf metaphors before we came in here we were talking about the sabers and it's like it's tough to play a good round of golf when you triple the first hole like buffalo has done this season they've come out lost lost loss it's like you got to play great from here on out so as omark always had this

kind of take it off you know the rails a little bit with comments as he got a little that we don't know and because he's in canada now we're going to hear more of it because it would break up the year for us if we had a few more of these i think what happens is people play for canada for the first time or canadian team for the first time they say something like that like mckeough who literally once said i like soup and he had a campbell sponsorship commercials and a nickname within a day yeah you know i think here that's toronto though that's just no achari nickname cookie here's a tim horton sponsorship.

Kipper, I think, have we ever asked you about, like, have you been in commercials and stuff? Like, I don't know if we've talked about this with you. Are you joking right now? No. Open his Instagram page today. No, like, obviously. Not the wedding the beak right now.

I meant, like, back in the day, like, as a player. No. No? No. No. Nobody nobody got no fourth liners got any work and no commercials like i did a lot of promos for the league yeah espn ran these fun promos that i always got pushed into or actually i leaped into there's a great 1980s islanders uh ad set in playboy well you know it's like clark gillis bobby nystrom despoff and these guys uh throwing on the brakes like snow spring in underwear yeah you know for whatever haynes line or whatever you know but there wasn't much

in the way it's still it's still hard for our league in general for players to really grab uh an endorsement deal yeah like like connor is probably making a couple mil a year doing it not yeah 20 no no exactly like if you want to compare it to other sports it's just like there's just no market right there's no market, here in Canada, I think I've had these conversations with you before. Like, for a Conor or an Austin, it's probably starting around $250,000. To do a commercial or something, yeah. To be associated with a major company in Canada. Again, you're talking of 40 million people.

Yeah. Where in the States, Curry's talking to 400 million people. Sure. Big difference. Dollar amounts. Yeah. But, you know,

there's more than we've ever seen before, but it's just really reserved for a handful of guys. Everybody else has got to just, you know, grind it out with their base salary. Of two and a half million, three million. I, you know, I do think that the final last year was a bit of a crossover moment for hockey in terms of it making its way into the more,

you know, general sports universe in the States. No, like I... Connor McDavid has a chance to to it's still hard to move the needle in the states for the nhl but if connor played for the rangers you know i listen to you know i listen to bill simmons podcast i listen to ryan russell the podcast like big american podcast and like during that time it was popping up in there they're having a quick conversation about it like to me for it to kind of make its way into that echelon, that's got to lead to more endorsements. It's got to lead to more money. Like the cap's got to go up.

Like it's just, they have to make more money. I think Gary's gone on record already saying the health of the league has never been better. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, we could be closing in after this year at about $6.5 billion of revenue. And the cap just can't go up. Well, I wonder if the next CBA will take huge...

The cap is artificially down. You got to understand that. It's not a real reflective number to where the revenue is because they negotiated coming out of the pandemic to wipe out the debt. Will it get there though then? Will it eventually? Yeah.

And I think the $14 million that Leon Dreisaitl signed was more of a reflection of a $100 million payroll and not 88. Do you think then, so it sounds like the salary cap is going to go up $5 million per year for the next, whatever, 10 years, whatever the max inflator is, is that going to take the kneecaps out of any franchises whose owners did not sign up for a franchise where payroll's 120 million? The answer is I believe yes. And I'd be really nervous if I was, say, the Winnipeg Jets.

Oh, really? Sure, yeah. Yeah. I mean, revenue's a challenge there to the point where Garyary betman went there last year to remind people in the community that they've got to find a way to attend either attend or uh more importantly i think find whatever corporate world there is out there and and support the jets the the curiosity there is like franchises are worth so much money now.

Like the Jets as a franchise must be worth a billion and a half. They're worth that not because of the money or the business model. Like no one would come in and look at the business model and say, oh, this is good, this is good. This is good. This is just grabbing the right amount of billionaires. This is Balenciaga. This is a accessory, a fashion accessory.

This is rich people saying, I want to be part of a really exclusive golf club. And if it's 500 or a million to get in or 1.2 i don't care yeah i'm never gonna see that money again i don't buy equity in the golf course but i'm joining i'm in i'm in and that's what's gone on with franchise fees gotcha so did you guys touch on this waiver thing from this week no but let's okay so i don't wasn't really familiar with the stylings of Raphael Lavoie before this week. But so this is, can I read this to you?

This is a tweet from CJ. When did it start? October? On October 6th. This is his wild week. Wild waiver week continues. On October 6th, he was placed on waivers by the Edmonton Oilers.

Okay. On October 7th, he was claimed by the Vegas Golden Knights. Good for him. On October 8th, he was placed on waivers by the Vegas Golden Knights. Okay. On October 9th, my birthday that you guys forgot, he was claimed on waivers by the Edmonton Oilers. On the following day, October 10th, he was placed on waivers by the Edmonton Oilers. That's the weird one.

And then on October 11th, he was claimed, which is todayvers by the edmonton oilers that's the weird one and then on october 11th he was claimed which is today by the vegas golden knights and the knights are the only team to submit a waiver claim on him uh and therefore he can be sent to directly to the ahl henderson silver knights what the hell is going so first first question i have for you two is he traveling probably not is he getting on the plane every time here? Like, what's going on? I don't know. That's a great question. I don't know the answer. Yes?

Yeah. Why not? I guess if you genuinely believe you're going to play for that team, you would travel. So when you claim a player off waivers, you can't just claim a guy and stack your AHL team. So let's say Edmonton drops him and Vegas wants him for the AHL team. They claim him.

But he is on his way down to the American League. But if you put him on waivers immediately after a waiver claim, the team that waived him can claim him back and say, no, no, no. He's going, we still want him. You can't just have him on your American League team. So then Edmonton reclaims him, which fine, that does happen.

But then they put him back on waivers the next day, which I don't get. So then you don't want to. I don't think Edmonton ever had a thought that this guy was a top prospect. I think the idea was to have him as a depth guy that could come up possibly. I don't even think that he would have been considered the first guy

to be brought back up if they needed to replace somebody. Right. So he's a decent shooter. Big scorer in the NHL. He had 28 goals last year in 66 games. So he's one of those. But he won't score. He wouldn't play on Edmonton's

power play. I think it was always a depth play for these clubs. It's very rare that we see this. I do recall, I think one time Eric Comrie, remember him oh yeah didn't he get he had to go through a certain window where he was up and down and claimed and waivers and claimed and waivers too

so it doesn't happen very often right for the most part waivers is a good thing for the players because if you can't use them then expose them to other teams and give you someone don't bury me yeah just don't bury me so it works for the most part for players but in this instance i don't know if it's vegas had a sticking it to the oilers so i wonder now if there's some sort of bitterness between it seems like two management groups they can't love each other after this well that's what i was going to say to me me, looking at this from an outside perspective, there's no way this just isn't a you-know-what swinging contest where they're like,

okay, I'm taking him now. I know you take him. Like, it just clearly looks like these two management teams hate each other. Yeah, yeah. And they're just using this poor kid. Maybe. Flying cross-country.

Like, that's the only thing that it looks like. But maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know. Maybe he's so undeniable for the AHL team that they had to sign him up. Could be. So do you guys want to hear some of these weird sweater things? Yes. I'm just pulling some of them up. The one that I definitely forgot about totally that this ever happened

was Marty Berdour in St. Louis. Oh, yeah. I hated that. That reminds me of Brett Favre going to play for the Vikings where it was just, like, such clearly, like, a shot at the old team. Oh, yeah. I hated that. That reminds me of Brett Favre going to play for the Vikings, where it was just like such clearly like a shot at the old team. I don't like that. How many games do you think he played for the St. Louis Blues?

He played one or two. Seven. Played seven? Seven games for them. With a 8.99, say, percent. Which kind of brings us to. Showed them in New Jersey. Which kind of brings us to our earlier conversation with Colby Armstrong is, I'm really happy that I'm not going to see,

potentially sit in another uniform. Yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing what it looks like. I know, I know. And everybody felt the same way with other players that end their careers somewhere else but but i do like players to say i have x amount of years to play in the league i want to win stanley cups and i'm loyal to this organization who's been loyal to me and all that

but if we don't have a chance to win what am i playing for which i appreciated that patrick marlow said i'm to try something else. I didn't love that Getzlaff said, I'm going to play one more year and no way. I have so much respect for Sid that if he feels like that's not the be all end all for him, let's be honest here. He can look at his lineup and go,

stinky. But, and he would have left by now. Yeah. He would have been gone by now. Yeah. He wouldn't have signed a two-year extension, but he. I think he thinks they can win.

I do. I think he believes in the core guys that have won before. Maybe that's his challenge then. They weren't the best in 16 or 17. They've been playing together forever. Yeah. They're just like he sees them as. He feels like they can veteran freak it together at the right time. Okay.

Which again is his right. And if that's his challenge today, then 90 point guy still playing at a very high level. Like don't doubt me. That's my challenge. But these superstars are like appropriately delusional where Tiger Woods thought he could win tournaments and whatever and then he had the 2019 Masters

and you have these guys that have these one-off crazy years and they're old. It happens. Delusion part's part of the reason why they are who they are. That's exactly my point. It's like that self-belief to a point of insanity. It's very, um rare that it just

ends perfectly the way you want to at the end it usually ends up seven games with the blues it ends up with you know hosting your pod you know hiring your podcast host as your coach and getting your son drafted to the lakers that's usually how it ends uh last thing here we're currently witnessing one of the weird jersey guys max pat Pacioretty and Elise Jersey from Jeff and Barry. Yeah. I feel like that's one we look back on in three years and be like, wow, that was weird. How about his turtleneck there? He's not. He was a Leaf.

If I can recall, there was another Leaf player that has worn number 67. I don't think so. No? Recently? Old newsy Lezeem from I think Well, what's recent to you? I want to go 20

years. Okay, yeah, sure. Leafs to wear 67. Sammy, nothing comes to mind, eh? No. Does it come to mind for you? I got nothing. I'm quickly googling here, but I don't think I'm going to be able to. A defenseman. Furious googling reveals nothing so far for me so far, Kip.

You only got a patch ready? Hold on. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. 67. Four players have worn it.

Robert. Robert Schweiler. There you go. Oh, who can forget? Brandon Kozen. There you go. Brandon Kozen was recent. Hold on.

Nobody busted their chops over 1967. It must have been in the preseason. Redeems the horn. He came up. He didn't wear it. Did he? Remember him? The big tall guy?

Yeah, I know who he is. Did he wear 67? I guess he did. Imagine I knew that. Our thanks to Colby Armstrong and his tour for coming to our studio today if you get a chance give us a rating a review also we can be found on youtube thanks for joining us this week we're back on monday have a great weekend everybody