Real Kyper & Bourne - Pre-Draft Player Movement & Marner Mock Trades!

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start with a chat about pressure heading into Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final and whether it's shifted onto the Oilers as most expect them to force a Game 7. Former NHL scout Jason Bukala (5:24) shares his takeaways from the Final thus far and the main causes for the Oilers' turnaround. Then, he weighs in on the Markström and PLD trades yesterday and more player movement that could be in the pipeline ahead of and during the draft. Later, the guys cook up some Mitch Marner mock trades and consider which landing spot makes the most sense.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

welcome everyone to real kipper and born i am justin born and i'm joined today by sam mckee samuel good afternoon justin how are you today buddy i'm doing well good to have you aboard this hour of real kipper and born will be'll be brought to you by Bet365. And for those of you out there, we're live on Sportsnet 590. The fans, Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver. Sportsnet 960 in Calgary. And Sportsnet 360 in Sportsnet Plus. Sportsnet, Sportsnet, Sportsnet.

You know where to find us. And when Sam's here, text us at 590-590. Because Sam and I like to engage those texts. Not that Kip doesn't. It's funny. You know, if you don't know where to find us by june 20th and you're still watching us that's a waste of an intro really you're not coming in here being like wonder what this show is about on june 20th you say where could this be found well welcome aboard um you know when when makia is here we're

freed up to talk about random things like what do what do you think of the Ducks New Jersey? I think they look like the CU hunt from Shorzy. I don't know if you've watched Shorzy or not, but there's an American team that's like a hunting themed shirt. And they looked exactly like that. You want to hear about something very random if we're doing free random takes? Yeah, I was right off the top randomness. Because, I mean, it's an off day in the Stanley Cup final. We got a couple minutes here before we get to boots.

Playing a softball league, Swansea softball shout out wonderful league umpired for the first time last night you did i did yeah i umped the second game i played in the first game got lit up it didn't help the era i was 12 on i think we lost 12 7 or so but i umped the second game and your assessment is correct i loved it right up i know you would. I loved it. Here's the thing. Now I'm like, you know, Angel Hand is not that bad. It's hard. It's hard. It's really hard.

So I got like the Ann who runs the league. She's like, Sam, you want the clicker? So I got the clicker with the balls and strikes and the outs and the innings. So I could like keep track of everything, call them balls and strikes. What's your, just a single? Ball outside. I had an absolute blast. Apparently, rave reviews.

Everybody came up to me and said I did a good job. I volunteered to do it any time for the rest of the season. Volunteered. Now I am one of the umps. I'm part of the umpire union. So stop hating on my boy Angel. Forced retirement. Not his fault.

Awful start to the show. It is another Stanley Cup final off day as you mentioned uh tomorrow night things will kick back up again um i've got an article today on pressure the shifting pressure and how yesterday we listened to maurice say i don't know what the pressure is really on us so much and i was kind of kicking it around and you know this is kind of the first time that edmonton now has been the team that people say should win minus 20 favorites which you covered yesterday um and one thing we've seen with the toronto maple leafs covering them for years is that when the pressure is high it's not like anyone chokes or trips on their skate laces or anything like that

it's just they're quiet yeah we don't see those moments of greatness and mcdavid has been great great great great for two straight games and i'm wondering if you're going to continue to get this greatness from the top end of the oilers i do think there reaches a certain point of how good you are where pressure and outside noise and all of this stuff just stops mattering when you're that dynamic when you're that good when you're rising above it all when you're in the the only other people who have as many points as you are mario lemieux and wayne gretzky that sort of thing like i truly do believe he's kind of levitating above any pressure at this point and i i do think at this point now jesus i was like where was kipper coming from but no no, at this point now, I, you know,

clearly I've been taking a beating because I've been picking against the Oilers. I've always said that the only way I want the Cup to come back to Canada is down Yonge Street. Like I've said this millions of times. But, you know, there's certain things that happen in your life as a sports fan where you get to appreciate wonderful moments. You think of Tom Brady who had the 28-3 comeback in the Super Bowl. You think of LeBron James down

3-1 against the Warriors and they come back and win. This is something that you can talk about with your friends, with your kids, with whoever for the rest of your life. I'm with you on this. I'm here for greatness. If you can witness potentially

the greatest player in the history of the game, the best player I've ever seen in my life, hands down, best hockey player I've ever seen. If you can witness potentially the greatest player in the history of the game, the best player I've ever seen in my life, hands down, best hockey player I've ever seen. If you can witness him orchestrate the first three-offing comeback in the Stanley Cup final against a really good team. Was it 42 Leafs that did it? Yeah. I just have to put aside my biases and just root for it.

Yeah. At this point, when I said Panthers in five games, I was like, they're going tothers in five games i was like they're gonna win in five games i still picked them in game five going into game five but now that they got over that massive no one even gets past game six right like no one gets it back there that never happened it happened in 2012 the first time and since it was 1945 now we're here and i really want to see it and i think there is a lot of pressure on both teams it's game six the stanley cup final but kip said it best yet kip said it best yesterday that you know everybody else is getting

slower and mcdavid is just getting faster yeah and i really do feel like we're about to witness something all time he dropped a great quote today too about uh no team is as ready for this as we are kind of reminds me of like when you get great you're muhammad ali and you can just say i'm the greatest come and do something about it. He just doesn't care. Speaking of the greatest, we have the greatest analyst, former NHL head scout, right on sports.ca with us now. Books.

Jason Buchla. How are you, pal? Oh, my God. You're the Muhammad Ali. You guys are struggling for content. I just came into a sentence following the great Muhammad Ali. Who would have ever thought that would happen in my career? Yeah, you guys have tons in common.

Don't worry about it. Oh, yeah, a lot. How are things, Boox? How are you enjoying the Stanley Cup final? Obviously, you're at the Florida Panthers for a lot of years. Your fingerprints certainly on the team. That's very near success. What are your thoughts on how the cup final's gone so far?

Well, you know, I felt a lot better for their squad a couple of days ago. I was talking to Brian McCabe, as you guys all know, the former Toronto Maple Leafs, he's their director of player development. And, you know, everybody's excited around there. The town's, Florida's a finicky market. They're not like Toronto where they're going to fill the building all the time. All of Florida's sports, whether it be the Dolphins, the Marlins, who kind of win once in a while, if you're not winning,

they don't fill buildings and they don't get excited. It's just too much of a transient type of personality there. Everybody's behind this. So the pressure's growing. You know, they're a little tighter on that plane going all the way back to Edmonton. I don't know if they're all chucking water bottles at each other and screaming.

Who knows, right? Who knows? But definitely feel a little bit, I don't feel as good about it today as I did the other day, but that's just natural. So what do you think, outside of McDavid, what's the biggest thing that's spun here? Is it just McDavid?

Like, is there one other thing that you can point to? Is it the goaltending? Is it the special teams? What is it for you, Boots? Well, I think Bob Brodsky can be better, to be honest with you. I think that he's getting to be a little bit acrobatic, Bob, and that's never a good thing. Like, when his crease composure starts to kind of wane a little bit,

that's a problem, guys. Like, when you start making, or you start seeing him make saves that are um really unorthodox he's capable of that so i don't want to mislead anybody here like that's his style right he's a butterfly athletic but there's a fine line between being butterfly athletic and not feeling it and when you don't feel it a hundred percent you can certainly be exposed so they need a couple more stops i would say but i gotta give credit to Edmonton on their side. I find, like, their secondary pushback, their bump, like they're receiving more bump and pushing back a little bit more now, guys, in my opinion.

I don't know how you guys feel, but even McDavid. I mean, McDavid's doing all-world things offensively, as we know. But, you know, even him, he's taking more. He's absorbing more contact and kind of spraying off of it to to create plays so um you know Boucher was probably the best version of himself the other night and that's always a kind of uh unpredictable in my mind to be honest with you um but you know on the Florida side um the one thing that I'm mostly concerned about is just composure. Like this is a team that is built to be relentless in the trenches, wear you down mentally, never give an inch type thing.

And I'm starting to see cracks in the armor. And that's never a good thing. Never show your cards, right? Never show your cards when you're under duress. Is the Bobrowski thing, we kind of talked about it yesterday, but I mean, this guy's been playing hockey since October. It's now june 20th as you know the stanley cup final is going to run into the draft here they're gonna like you said they're gonna do the draft in the third period of game seven but uh is it just fatigue like it's fatigue setting in here it's a lot of hockey feels

like mcdavid's the only one that's not getting tired it better not be i mean i guess i guess for the ski i don't buy that an ounce. I mean, we build hockey teams to be competitive at the hardest time of the year and take pride and find that extra 10% or 15%. I've said it before on the show here. Like, you know, I'm looking around the room at the hardest time of year. I'm looking for my teammates to find something extra. So I don't buy that.

I think that's a weak way of looking at it, that the Stanley Cup final. That's not a fact. No offense to you, Sammy, for asking the question. No, of course not. But, you know, I'm saying that to me that's a sign of weakness. And, you know, championship teams aren't built on the back of weakness. And then with the goaltending, Bob Roski,

this isn't the Grant Feer era where Grant Feer would play 76 games for Mike Keenan for the St. Louis Blues, you know, and you could say fatigue would factor in in playoffs there either. So, no, absolutely not. And we're down to the last couple of games here. So, I know the travel's been brutal, but at the same token, there's been time to adjust to the clock, if you will. And I think there should be lots left in the tank.

Bux, is it a challenge for Florida to go out and win, go take a game because they don't have these elite top-end guys? I know Kachuk has had seasons like that. Barkov is a 200-foot guy, not necessarily a McDavid type. It's almost like they have played such consistent, steady hockey. They just wear you down and they wear you through to a close victory at the end. When they get down a couple of goals and start chasing,

it's it puts them in a real tough spot. And it feels like that's what's happened the last couple of games for them. I totally agree with that, Borny. I mean, so the Edmonton Oilers, they're a creature of habit. So when they start feeling it offensively, they're like a train running downhill in the Rockies. You know what I mean? Like they're going and now you're really chasing it.

So you got two things that are factors there, the way you describe it. A, we're losing control of the structure that we like to play in. We don't want to really chase the game. We want to be able to, like the Florida Panthers would be very comfortable to grind out a 2-1 win

and nothing pretty about it necessarily, but you know, like really work you on the wall and, you know, take away the middle of the ice and all those types of things. And they win playoff games that way, you know, a lot of championship teams have. But as soon as you let the Edmonton Oilers start being the best version of themselves, which is, you know, running around playing, you know, the version of hockey they're playing right now and you're chasing it. that's that's uncomfortable yeah i mean the thing that sticks out to me too with the oilers you talk about how incredible their power play is but the thing that

jason gregor brought up yesterday but their penalty kill with that the the penalty kills outscore their opponents power play three to one in the last 15 games 43 or 44 times shorthanded they killed it off 97.7 and three shorthanded goals a net pk percentage of plus 107 or something unbelievable like that's how you that's how you win a championship right there it's unbelievable you know sammy you're onto something there that is exactly it so that's grunt work isn't it like penalty killing is hard especially in playoffs and you're going up against your opponent's top players. And the buy-in to accomplish, whether you get a big save or whether you get an extra shot block, I don't care what it is.

Like, Connor Brown, like, honestly, would the three of us have been sitting here in January and saying, Connor Brown's going to score a big shorty in the Stanley Cup playoffs for the Embry-Thin Oilers? Probably not. Like, I had him on the wire. He wasn't dressed early in playoffs. I didn't think he was going to score one, period, for half the season. Yeah, and I had him on the wire to open wasn't dressed early in playoffs. I think he was going to score one period for half the season. Yeah, and I had him on the wire

to open up cap space, full transparency. So, you know, clearly the buy-in on the fringes there is, that's, we all hear about the juicy things, like, you know, the cons might, and McDavid's going to, you know, potentially, you know, this has been an all-world performance. I get it.

But those little things that you point out, like that, Sammy, that grunt work on the penalty kill, that's exactly what wins championships. Because if you give up an extra in those situations, that's where you're going to be chasing the game. Yeah, it's really unfolding in a way that makes you think that Edmonton, they're supposed to win tonight. They're minus 120 favorites,

and that pressure feels like it has shifted a little bit. So, Bucs, behind the scenes now, they're working on a draft. Like, there are people there who are trying to keep an eye on this and keep eyes towards what's happening in a week. Can you imagine being in those shoes? All your work goes into these players,

but you're still working for something that's happening next week. Yeah, I can imagine it. I'd love to be in that situation. Yeah, good point. Wait, that's actually the dream scenario. It's actually a dream scenario for me. So what you're saying is as opposed to being a non-playoff team

and having all that running, what would you rather have? You make a good point. Yeah, yeah, no. All joking aside, you know, the pro side of the equation, you know, Bill Zito and his pro side there, they're more prepared right now. Like, they're going to be taking these. I believe they're all traveling.

They all came to Florida the other day to be part of it. So I would imagine they traveled on the charter, and if they did, they're going to take advantage of this downtime to kind of um have some meetings and you know some of the things that they might otherwise run out of time to do in vegas next week or in the in the build up to free agency they're going to take advantage of every minute they have right here um but you know it's it's it's just that it's it's part of the game it's part of the gig and um i'm sure that it's part of the game. It's part of the gig. And I'm sure that it's wearing them out because here's the thing. The mood won't be good. Here's the worst part about meetings.

I have to be honest. It's like when you go to a playoff game for your team and if you get knocked out of playoffs or if you lose a playoff game, what a horrible meeting it is the next morning. It's terrible. Like you think that, you know, people's dogs got run over by cars. It's awful. And you got to, you know, people's dogs got run over by cars. It's awful. And you got to really build the group up, right? So yeah, it's not ideal to be distracted. You good on the final?

Good. Okay. I wanted to ask you about the marks from trade from Calgary to New Jersey. And it's been 15 minutes here now since I've made it about the Leafs. So trying to make it about the Leafs. The first side of it is Sheldon Keefe gets fired in Toronto.

And, you know, I kind of joked about it before this trade was made that he's walking into one of the better situations in the league. They dealt with a ton of injuries. But what were they, a 110-point team before the year before? 81 last year. Yeah. So they had a down year. But they're kind of, with some goaltending,

would have been a much better team than this. Them getting Markstrom and him walking in there like this has a chance to go really bad and really sour for the perception here in Toronto because of how classy the exit was and the way that he treated everybody on the way out and him going there and then probably being pretty good with Markstrom. I'm concerned about next season for the for the perceptioneefe and how it's going to go here. Suddenly the devil, he looks like Scotty Bowman. Honestly. Yeah, interesting.

I mean, that New Jersey team is a very good team. They suffered through some injuries last year, and obviously the goaltending is what it is. Fellas, Jake Allen and Jacob Markstrom now between the pipes next year. Pretty good, right? Like, Mark, he doesn't have to run out there and play 60 games. Like, Allen should be able to play 30 games, I would say to you, and, you know, a veteran guy that's capable.

And he had some good moments down the stretch for Jersey at the end of the year too, Jake did. This team is going to be a problem for a lot of people in the Eastern Conference next year. I believe that. You know, Dougie Hamilton should come back healthy. You know, some guys in the back end next year. I believe that. You know, Dougie Hamilton should come back healthy. You know, some guys in the back end have been evolving.

Up front, they've got some players that are quick strike, like Hughes. Even the year that Hughes on the back end got last year, you know, like, what an experience, right? A lot of ups and downs, but he'll be better for the experience. But up front, Hughes, Heashire, you know, you start going through it. This is going to be a good team, and I think they'll play with some structure. It's funny, you know, because I am interested to see how they approach the game, how Sheldon wants them to approach the game.

Because if we look at playoffs in Toronto, for example, it was almost the tale of two different types of systems. It wasn't in playoffs, you know, like at the beginning, we're going to play it our way. But at the end, this is the way we have to play to win the playoffs, for example. So I'm curious to see what, which one he implements in New Jersey. But can I be, can I beak off about the trade though for a second? Yeah.

Let her rip. Let her rip. I, I personally, I don't, I personally, I'm not free or anything like that, so I don't have any intel behind the scenes. But if somebody would have came to me and asked me the question, my strategy would have been wait to Vegas. And the reason is because I know that the goaltender has a full no-move clause, but Vegas is like a convention, and we all get together,

and you might have found something on the floor that would have got you a first-round pick this year in this draft cycle, for example. I'm not saying it's the it's the best draft, but I am saying there is good value in the top 20. So I'm sure that Connie did that. But of course, Jacob has full control where he goes. So if I accept that on balance, I'm hearing some things about Kevin Ball. I've scouted Kevin Ball for seven years now. I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of the player.

I like the player. He's a big rangy guy, 24 years old. He's a giant, you know, average plus boots, a small area, you know,

like if he gets, if a guy gets inside of him, when you're that big, you know, like those quick turns and things like that, that can be a little bit problematic. Or if he has to move East West on his blue line, the gap up,

he's going to have to use his reach, but he's not a, he's not a killer boy like he's a big body but he's not overly punishing that way uh and he had like 103 blocks so it's more like i just get in the way kevin ball is a good player but he's a third pairing d on a good team that's how i'm looking at that okay he might play in the top four in the first year in calgary maybe but when you're good he's a bottom pairingpairing D. So that brings me to the last part of it. If I'm retaining 31% of anybody's salary,

I'm getting a mid-round pick in return. Where has that gone? Like, you know, every time we talk to the trade deadline, the three of us can have a conversation, and salaries retained at the trade deadline, historically, when has there ever been salary retention where you don't get a secondary pick in return? That went through me for a little bit of a loop as well so um i don't know i just that's a good point actually and you wonder like if this was ended up being the price why didn't it just

get done in march yeah i do feel like calgary regrets out when march maybe there's a little bit of a get right thing here where they're like they they upped it too much in March and they try to make nice, but you don't do that in a competitive league. It's just very weird. It's a good point on the retention. I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, 31.2. I don't know what the number is,

but it's in the millions. It's like 2.75 or something, Sammy. So the cost of doing, I got to go to my owner and say, hey, I'm going to eat 2.75. Well, I would assume that Murray Edwards is going to look at me and go, well, what am I getting back in return for that?

I would have asked for a minimum fourth-round pick in next year's draft. It does feel like they're then not trying to be competitive anytime soon, kind of changing how they're going about their plan. What did you think of when we're talking about retention? No retention on PLd going to to washington oh the most massive buyer beware uh transaction like it's i don't i'm not uh i'm not loving it i'm not comfortable um so i understand he's 25 turning 26 i understand he's a big body in the middle of the ice they also understand that his best shift looks like he can be that power scorer

and, you know, that guy that can play in your top three, top six for sure. Everybody covets those players when he's playing his best. The problem is, guys, you know it, I know it. He's only 50% of himself. You know, he only presents 50% of the best version of himself to the team over the course of 82 games, never mind playoffs, you know, recently. How do you, like I'm sitting here thinking to myself, you know,

and no disrespect to some of the colder climates, but we're talking L.A. And what a place to play. And you couldn't get it right and play a certain way for the L.A. Kings. And they had some good leadership in that room. Kopitar, you know, Dowdy, for example. So now I'm hearing that it's going to change in Washington he's going to go there and he's going to be hopefully the best version of himself there and the leadership group will insulate him the Carlson's the Oshis um you know the uh obviously Ovi uh you know we're going to insulate and we're going to we're going to drag him along and he's going to be the best version I'm buyer beware on it um the number isn't, isn't atrocious at all.

If he's, if he's better, but I don't love it. There's a couple of things with this that, you know, maybe a third trade and how many years or a fortune. At some point, there's gotta be maybe a wake up call at their team just traded for you.

They gave you all that money. They thought you were great. They saw one year of you and they're like, we're going to just get off of this right away before your no move kicks in. Like maybe that's a wake-up call. Maybe that's something that Washington bets on. But, you know, we talked about it a little bit before the show.

It was clearly not a great trade by Rob Blake and the asset management when you lay it all out doesn't look good. But admitting defeat on something and getting off of that contract, you have to give them credit for that side of it. But the asset management on the other side is not great. Like, it's a real give and take when you're analyzing this from Rob Blake's perspective. It's horrible.

Let's be honest. Like, at the end of the day, you're losing the picks and Velarde. I have it here. It's Gabe Velarde, Ayafalo, Rasmus Kampari, a 2024 second-round pick, and Pierre-Luc Dubois for darcy kemper not great yeah yeah that's like wow so if they don't make playoffs next year and go on a better run um yeah you know i think you can read the tea leaves absolutely it sounds like

there is teams willing to make moves at the deadline. Columbus potentially being one of them, Sammy. Oh, at the draft? Sorry, at the draft. Waddell said today that there's teams around us talking about trying to move up a little bit. If you're going to get a nice asset with it, we're open to moving the pick, blah, blah, blah, similar stuff. What are those conversations like on draft day?

How often do high picks come up in conversation? A lot of those conversations borny are starting to take place already right now and when i hit the ground in vegas as a as a staff by call it wednesday uh our general manager would have presented to us three or four that the the options that we have at our disposal and um you know whether there's an NHL roster player in there, you know, for the cap fit, for example, or just a straight up draft capital, moving it around, shuffling the deck. So in this draft specifically, like for me personally, I have obviously Celebrini, but then I have Demidov, Levshunov. And then we get into the, you know, the Silyev, Tijaginlai, I have at five. A lot of people have him after that.

But after what I've seen and met with him and everything, I just, I'm on the Tij train. So, you know, that one there is going to be interesting. So what it tells me is that Don Waddell, for example, don't, you know, Sammy, they're playing games in the media. Like they're telling each other things, you know, like they're trying to ramp things up. But he realistically will have three or four players i believe in that range that he probably values pretty close to the same so it absolutely makes sense now here's my own my

one caveat i would say that if i'm getting capital in return i'm punting it to next year my depth next year is uh is far greater, like right now there's a line in the sand, I would call it at 16 or 17 at this draft, and there's going to be a lot of the same at 19 to 45. So I don't want to get 36 back this year if you get my drift. I'd rather take a run at 32 next year, and

I think it's going to be a better player. I did want to ask you about Teej again, love, because it's a fascinating one to me. I was reading where you're ranking. So you have him ahead of the Flames at nine, right? But you have him maybe a little higher than some other people. There's a potential he's sitting there at nine. I can't imagine the dynamics in that room, right? Because you got Conroy who's played with his dad.

Isn't his dad involved with the Flames now? He's sitting there. You can't pass on it from a perception your ownership all this stuff like i can't imagine the weird pressures if he's sitting there at nine for the flames they just got to take them right oh gosh don't i would actually i'd actually counter that there is no pressure no pressure okay none no if he's sitting there they're just taking him 100 they're taking him i would uh i take i take both you guys out for a Wagyu if he falls to nine. I'll put it to you that way.

I don't think it's happening. I think he's just too good. The fly in the ointment is going to be a couple of those guys in that range. Zane Parekh, who's like an offenseman. He's like a rover in anybody who plays beer league softball. You know, you you got that guy in center field who's just kind of all over the place zane barack does that on a hockey ice sheet like he's all over the place it's fun to watch and he's a great kid but caden lindstrom is going to be the

guy that's uh could be the disturber there because he's a huge body six three two hundred and whatever great athlete um he plays the middle though guys and my my issue there is that i have him later i have him at ninth on my list ninth or tenth um when i'm drafting centerman i need them to have the vision to share the the puck and transition like use people on the flanks and then go to open space he's a shooter off the rush so he wants it on his stick more than using people around them that doesn't mean he's not a hell of a player he is but people in the middle of the ice they have to be able to share the puck a little bit more and he had like 27 and 19 or something like that and you don't want to run just shotgun with a guy like that you know like matthews i know he's an elite goal scorer

but he does share it too you know what i mean like yes he's it's not his elite element but he does share it um so that's why i got ledennstrom a little bit later. So just one more on Teej. Like, the way you're talking about him, I'm looking at the Cap-Friendly page, which, you know, it's a tough one to talk about now, but they got a lot of... They got a lot of... I was a partner.

I know, I know. Right. Yeah. So are they... Like, they got a lot of picks here. Would there be any way where they move up to get Teej? Like, is that something that you think that they would be looking into, or is that too brazen with the connections?

So I'm glad you brought it up, because that's where I would have gone with the Markstrom strategy, to be perfectly clear. So imagine you pick up something in the teens, let's just say, or early 20s. Now you package nine and call it 22 or 23. You move up to five. I'm just using five as an example, okay?

But you give yourself an offer. You make the call at the very least. You move up to five. You still got Vancouver's pick at 28. Now all of a sudden, like if I go by my draft list, which is like best player from top to bottom, now all of a sudden I've got a Ginla who's goal scorer, uber competitive, got the bloodlines, yada, yada. And then I draft like this Teddy Stiga guy out of the U.S. national team program

who's like Brendan Gallagher-like a little bit. And now I'm starting to build a culture, you understand? So I wish they would have got something else in that marquee deal for that reason as well. It's funny. I'm watching these Tiege highlights. First of all, feel old. Like, I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah.

You're watching generations come through now. He really does. It's a little uncanny. A lot of the movement's very similar to his dad. Like, I know it's his son, so it makes sense. Yeah, I don't think he's as much as that element, but he does have the father-like movements. The game's changed. He skates better than his dad.

For sure. His spatial. So his dad would grind He skates better than his dad did. For sure. His spatial. So his dad would grind out a little bit more along the wall. Teej has got that in him. Don't misunderstand. But Teej has got more dart and dash. And his catch and release, fellas, like between the hash. Well, actually, between the dots in the offensive zone.

I mean, he's almost impossible to defend. Because if he gets it, he zips it. And he's already moving to get it back if it's a rebound. You know what I mean? His read and react. So really hard to defend because if he gets it he zips it and he's already moving to get it back if there's a rebound or you know what i mean his reading reacts so really hard to defend this kid like if his if his last name was mckee i would still be glowing the exact same way as i am right now i mean even with those flawed genetics yeah i don't know i'm kidding andy i'm kidding i'll send you some i'll send you some live barn highlights. You wouldn't be saying that. I'm a key family from Owenstown.

Oh, yeah. Just draft a great plan. Oh, yeah. All right. All right, Boogs. We kept you long enough. Appreciate your time. I'm hoping we can get you back on before or during the draft,

something like that, if that works for you. Yeah, great. Yeah, absolutely. Give me a shout. Just don't make it 7 o'clock in the morning because that might not happen. No worries. Oh, yeah. It's Vegas. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. It's in Vegas because you'll still be at the blackjack table. That's right. You'll still be playing. Oh, no, no. I'm not into that. I people watch, so it's fascinating. Oh, yeah.

It is. That's fun. To say the least. All right. Thanks so much. That's Jason Bukala, former head scout, writer at sportsnet.ca, and founder, King, CEO of the Pro Hockey Group. Awesome.

Yeah. Good stuff. I just want to teach to Pro Hockey Group. Awesome. Yeah, good stuff. I just want Teej to the flame so bad. Yeah. It just makes sense. The Josh Doan to Arizona thing, I know you're laughing because he's in Utah. We had this conversation earlier. He's not in Utah. But, I mean, what a start.

I mean, he scores as a coyote before they move along. So, I think it's nice. Why not? I do, too. Give him a shot. And, I mean, I'm a sucker for highlights. Like I've been watching Tiege highlights. I'm like, God.

Can't you just tell yourself that everyone's the greatest player ever? They're 10 nicest moments. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know. I watched Ilya Mikheyev highlights in Russia and I was like, this guy. Yeah.

Was he beating it to a square over there? Wait, can you see the finish on this guy? Yeah, right. Anyways. Do you want to do after the break, game time now? We'll do game time after the break. Let's hit one here and then we'll come back. All right.

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So what we've done in his absence, like children with their parents parents gone we're going to just burn it down. Oh, well, we should do a game time first. And then I came up with five Mitch Marner trades. Kippy. Children. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Kippy. Absolute children. All right.

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Please play responsibly. Now, as I like to do on off days, I'm going off the ice for my game time. Let me tell you, our audience loves that. Well, guess what? Too bad. Canada plays a soccer match today in the Copa America against Lionel Messi. Ever heard of him? And Argentina.

If you are a good Canadian, you will bet on Canada at 9-1. Not a chance. 9-1. Not a chance. 9-1. 9-1. The Canada soccer is 9-1 today. Is it ever that lopsided?

Yeah, it is. Like a lot of these matches. I mean, we made the World Cup. Are we that far behind? I know they won the World Cup. I don't know if you heard. They're quite good. I have heard.

I think they've lost. He's old. He's washed. I think they've lost once in their last 20 matches, I want to say. Like they're very, very good. If you're feeling like you don't think they're going to. They're rocking an Oilers jersey at the game earlier in the series so uh they're they've won five in a row coming into this they're hot they're on form

as you would say quality thank you side if you don't you don't have the stones to put some cash on nine to one money if you have the brains the tie is not bad. Plus 450 for a tie. You know, Canada, maybe get one late or find a way to get back into this game. You know, Argentina maybe gets on them early. You know, Davies can create a moment. He is world-class, so you get a moment. Very world-class.

Yes. Very world-class. I will say, if you think Canada's going to get spanked, if you're a bad Canadian, plus 450 for a same-game parlay, match result will be Argentina. Lionel Messi has a goal and an assist. That pays plus 450.

So it's not the worst thing ever. Argentina correct score, 3-1, pays 1,100. So plus 1,100. They give you a goal in soccer? Can you get Canada plus a goal or anything like that? I think you can, but I don't know how to do that okay well that's fine there's something i don't know listen i know for the draw plus 450 so there you go uh i'm really excited i'm actually heading down to cafe diplomatico to watch it tonight so you know going down into the mix i'm sure it's gonna be

all horned up down there italy's playing spain right now so it's gonna be hot down on college street people i i cannot wait for it so really excited for the game tonight i hope we don't so it's going to be hot down on College Street. Oh, you're hitting people a few cronies in. I cannot wait for it. So really excited for the game tonight. I hope we don't lose 8-0. That was Game Time, presented by Bet365. Visit the app for latest odds to find out why it's ever ordinary at Bet365. It's the 19-plus.

I'm Tara Only. Please play responsibly. Well, we weren't joking about the Mitch Marner thing. So we were thinking about what we should talk about after we talked to our guest, Jason Bucher. We talked about the Stanley Cup final yesterday, this morning. And how life is like verbal memes. I'm going to give you a verbal meme right now.

You know, the guy that slaps the water on? I think it's Flexio. Yeah, the Flexio, yeah. Flexio. It's like, well, what do you want to talk about? Martyr trade. Just slap a couple on there. So do you want to start with the most absurd or the most likely first?

That's a really good question. Okay. I don't know. Okay, I'll go with the Nashville Predators one. Okay. So I think there's some pretty natural matchups on that team. The Leafs are in need of a goaltender. So Marner has one year left at

$11 million. Yeah, basically $11 million. From the Nashville Predators, we're going to go UC Sorrows. UC Sorrows. Dante Fabro, who's a 27-year-old right-hand shot, 6'2". Colton Sissons, who's a third-line center, had a ton of

playoff experience, been there a long time and a first round pick from them for mitch marner and uh the prospect's name is leaving me frazier minton oh marner and minton yeah uh you're getting a first round pick back the first thing you do if you're nashville you're a nashville fan that's what i do i put myself in nashville shoes here in this and my first thought as a predators fan is okay yeah let's go you like it let's go i i do like it um as a leafs viewer you really gotta believe sorrows see sorrows has one year left and five and then you gotta pay him maybe you're paying him probably nine ten no it wouldn't be that much he's older i think it would be like maybe a million or two more than he's making now probably like seven million ish okay

maybe i don't know if you got to give him the full boat but like he's a good proven nhl goalie who you could pair with joseph wall he's durable what i have a lip yeah so as he gets older if he slows a bit as you know i for sure what if this goalie what if the goalie's not do you like him more than laurent briswa i do like him Do you like him more than Laurent Bressois? I do like him more than Laurent Bressois. Okay, you like him more than Alex Nadelkovich? I like Bressois, but as a backup. Yeah, no, of course.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, so that's a yes on both sides. Well, I... You don't think it's... You think the Leafs are not... I think it's something, too. I can't do it as a Leafs guy. Okay.

I can't do it. You know what you did, though? You created a good trade there. I thought that was a good one. I think that's one for at least to kick around. Okay. The next one I got is with the Utah Hockey Club. Okay.

UHC. Mitch Marner, obviously, heading to Utah with the Mormons for Connor Ingram, the goaltending young goalie. Like Ingram. Clayton Keller and Lawson Krause. I mean, let's go. Let's's go so let's go from both sides or who's hanging up the phone first as a as the leafs i'm doing it okay i'm doing it because it solves a lot of problems i do think ingram is at least what the leafs have in joseph wool is potentially a number one they might so but i don't trust it game seven

broke trust it he went away he went away like he just went away he was there he was great and then he was gone game day but you know there are players who like when crosby had all his concussions i was like this guy's never going to be able to put together a string of healthy hockey again yes and then he's just been healthy yeah for sure you know even matthews had some stuff early in his career shoulder i think i was like back i was like oh yeah we don't like that but he's fine it is possible for someone to kind of figure this out so for me my point is wool is so legit to me that a guy like ingram like it's one of those one of these two guys could be could be good enough so i like that and then keller you still get a score across you get a bigger guy if you're utah you are lacking the top end scoring the guys to produce

and put you over the top so marner has and to me they have tons of salary actually you know what new owner's trying to give you picks new owner syndrome where they're like it's a new guy in the league want a star we got a new arena i guess clayton keller you could say is that but mitch marner's got the cachet let's not pretend clayton keller's mitch marner yeah that's the thing here i've made a lot of these trades and i was like oh is that too much i'm like mitch marner's very good yeah like you're trading for a selkie votes last year in his prime almost 100 point guy 26 years old in his prime prime he's a bit distressed because of the playoff stuff because of the narrative around him i understand that bit of a distressed

asset yeah okay okay oh sorry i just want to follow up utah their pick sheet from arizona which you showed me before we went on air they have all the picks in the nhl over the next couple years they have ingram keller and kraus are good hockey players they're going want to win they're gonna want to keep those guys like that trade you just gave me is not happening because they're they're gonna say we'll give you a first and three seconds they'll be like have every pick we got they have so many picks but you're right i do see the new owner thing where it's like steve cohen and the mets or make a splash or even vegas where like we just want the best guys who are available yep okay so Okay. So I gave you Nashville and I gave you Utah. Time to move to Calgary.

Okay. Mitch Marner for Rasmus Anderson and Nazem Kadri. Oh my God, Kadri. I know it's a big number. I know it's a big number, but he's been... He's got six years left. He's got a lot left. Got a lot of left, got a lot left,

but a guy that's familiar with this market who's beloved here, who everyone says is the one that got away. Who's a really, really good playoff performer, heart and soul kind of guy. Love being a leaf. Didn't want to leave. And you get a right shot defenseman finally to pair with.

And then you can say to yourself, Mitch Marner, maybe you can sign them there. You're opening the new arena. One of the biggest stars in the league with mitch marner and cadre's back home where everyone loves him you pair anderson with with with morgan riley on the top pair right hand shot guy i'm gonna say something that may shock you i i would do this trade without cadre wow not because i love anderson that much anderson makes 4.5 million for the next two years he is a 27 year old thumper on a good deal who you know can get

points really like anderson and then you have seven million dollars to play with you know it to me cap space is such an asset today that rather than locking in cadre who i don't know what i'm getting he's 33 i know six years left he's 33 years old i don't want to see a great player be not great here who has got a great legacy with the leafs and that's not that great he got suspended in back-to-back playoffs and then got booted for a curve foot love him he's a massive fan favorite he was my favorite Leaf the entire time he was here. I love Kadri. So a lot of this is just like GM Sammy being like,

I want a Kadri back in the Leafs. But I thought it was... But I'd almost rather have the cap space. Could you give me Anderson and a pick or something? Okay. You know? Okay. All right.

Now this one we go to the franchise alterers where your teams look vastly different. And this is the Vegas one. So this is a four-player trade on both sides. It's always so hard to keep track of when there's so many guys. But no, this is cap compliant from both sides. This is on the, you know, with cap friendly, that's going to be gone. This is approved by the league.

Okay. Starting with Marner, obviously. David Kampf, Connor Timmonsmons and frazier minton hold on timmons and minton so i'm trading the three guys you oh minton again yeah i'm in again i don't care camp is a neutral asset tim is a negative one maybe neutral asset he's the type of guy that could go to one one you can bury him if it doesn't work he's the michael amadio of defenseman where he goes there and he's just like good, and no one cares.

Right. For Shea Theodore, Zach Whitecloud, Nicholas Waugh, and Braden McNabb. It's so funny. So you reinvent your decor, where you get three separate defensemen,

and they're all big guys that's what your living likes and you get shea theodore obviously nicholas was a gritty sort of third proposed to trade three of a team 60 yeah i mean there's free agency they're getting connor timmons back yeah so there you go okay that's that's the franchise alterer yeah you're right so this one just doesn't happen okay it doesn't happen not not listen i appreciate the the proposals thank you the the d part on vegas they're just like that's just our whole decor that's our pride and joy that's what we you know how we make our our success you want to trade mint i do i do you just got if he's got any value i would do it immediately he made the toronto maple leafs last year yeah great because i think it was more of a you-know-what

whack for Pontus Holmberg than anything. And this is the last one I have. It's a one-for-one. It's a one-for-one to a division rival. Yes. Who hangs up first? Okay. Mitch Marner for Brady Kachuk. Everyone listens. There's no quick hang-up. There's a meeting. There's a conversation to be had up there's a meeting there's a conversation meeting

on both sides what is brady's contract so here's what i think i think ottawa hangs up first in this hypothetical brady kachuk is their captain he is 24 years old he has four years left at 8.2 he might score 40 goals in the league he He might beat the crap out of everyone. He's a valued guy. Can you throw Minton in with Marner here to make that sweeter? Would they want that? Sure. Is that where you want it?

Sure. I mean, that would be unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, the Ontario rivalry, when you trade one captain to the other team. And I think that's the main reason wouldn't happen because clearly, you know, I don't think either side would want to have the other guy have success and trade into the, within the Battle of Ontario

doesn't happen a whole lot, but yeah. You know what's crazy? That Brady deal, there's no protection. Nope. Looking cat friendly. It's just a tradable contract. And I don't think, I don't think old Mitch, I don't think, I don't think old Mitch is waving to go to Ottawa.

You don't think so, eh? No. Something tells me. Yeah, Brady does have a no move that kicks in next year. So that would come up. It's too bad that the teams are both in Ontario because I think there's potential there for something. But, I mean, if you're Ottawa, you're trying to build around that guy.

I know. Yeah. But there's been, I mean, he's at everywhere else other than Ottawa, every picture I see him. It is fun. He's, like, taking pictures with, you know, people in every arena in the world. He goes around. He's everywhere except Ottawa all the time.

So something tells me. It is fascinating that, you know, for a marner trade to happen someone has to put themselves out there and that guy's brad tree living one thing that tree's reputation has been in calgary was that he is in on everything but doesn't really pull the trigger on much i am fascinated to see if he has the gall to go ahead and trade mitch marner here it feels like here's what i think is going to happen. It's just going to whimper its way along until they offer him another contract and he

leaves as a free agent. Ouchy, first of all. Kipper put out the article today on Toronto Star about how Markstrom would have waived to come to Toronto. Is that correct? Yes. Decent little nugget. Where was that one yesterday, bud? Where was that one, Kip? Thanks,

bud. I was reading some of the comments on his, on his tweet, as I always do, because it's fun to read people get mad at Kip. The Sea of Red Central, which is, I guess,

a blog for the, the, the flames, well followed, almost 10,000 followers. Brad is always the bridesmaid, never the bride in joy. Yeah. With 15 likes on it. You're like, oh-followed, almost 10,000 followers. Brad is always the bridesmaid, never the bride in joy. Yeah.

With 15 likes on it. You're like, oh. Yeah, that's a bit of a... Now, to his credit, he did consummate a massive trade, trading Matthew Kachuk out for Uyghur and Huberto Uyghur. But that was... Looks like a really good signing. That was with a big, fat gun to his head.

Yeah, well, the question now is what kind of gun is it that's at his head? Is it a super soaker or is it something of substance? So there you go. We got lots of texts, people saying how big of an idiot I am, but love that. Marner to the Blues for Shen and Pareko

says somebody here. Shen and Pareko, Brady, Shen and Pareko. Yeah, of course. Yes. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. There you go. Doesn't Barbershop have a name that comes up once in a while, too?

Yeah, but he's on Vegas. Maybe you could put him into my franchise ultra there if you want. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I had to get a little bit sexy

with that one. You did get sexy. I enjoyed that. Well done. What do you think is the best one? Nashville? I think the trade that you gave me that is most likely to happen

is Nashville. Something from Nashville there. Okay. But the trade that you gave me that is most likely to happen is nashville something from nashville there okay but the trade for a goalie makes me nervous giving up on all that talent it's what it's what has made the leafs special and made them 100 point team for years now is having that it's really worked out great yeah yeah they've really crushed it well it's not gonna be great when they're not in playoffs with a great goalie no it's gonna be actually great and i'll get this one off my chest before we go, that I think the Leafs will maybe take a little step back if they trade Martin or maybe be a seven seed,

you know, maybe even one on the wild card, and 110-point New Jersey Devils in the first round for the Toronto Maple Leafs and losing to Sheldon Keefe in the first round. That's a lock. There has never been a bigger lock in the history of sports than what I just laid out there. Yeah, wild card Leafs get the Devils.

Like when Keefe went there. But now that they got Markstrom and Jake Allen, like Luke said, it's an awesome tandem. Markstrom, Allen, Dougie Hamilton comes back. All those guys. Jackie's healthy after surgery. Come back. Let it rip.

They're amazing. Leafs play them first round, lose probably in seven. Is he in overtime again yeah so is that a rosy picture i just painted for our listeners you did they already hate us all the everywhere else in the country because of me spending 20 minutes on modern trades we did yesterday on the cup final we will do tomorrow as a preview for the game friday night on sports net be uh oiler time again i thought uh florida staying the next day in florida made a lot of sense for them they did it the first time and yeah you know i don't know i just feel

like they're doing what they did the first time stick with it so wow i uh i have a really really good feeling that we are going to see a all-time hockey game tomorrow yeah i'm not sure what the result's going to be i i really do think that the oilers are gonna get it i think it's gonna go back to florida than a game seven who knows yeah but i feel like tomorrow night will not disappoint mcdavid has gone to he's gone to god mode quite honestly so mcdavid's in god mode and florida's in we can't toy around with this anymore we can't do anything this is actually less fun unless we just get out there and grind it out. I think goals are coming down. My prediction for that game is way tighter.

Interesting. I mean, Edmonton has 13 goals in the last two games. Florida's the best defensive team in the NHL over the regular season and playoffs. I think they'll tighten it up, and all of a sudden you're looking at 3-2. Is Stu Skinner enough? Which Bob do you get? I think it's June 20th, and McDavid's a mutant and everybody else isn't. And I think it's going to show its face again.

Yeah. I can't wait. I actually am so excited. We're witnessing an all-timer here. I've talked to several people planning their Friday night party. So looking forward to that ourselves. We will be back tomorrow. Nick Kiprios in tow to preview game six of the Stanley Cup final.

Thank you for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow. We'll see you next time.