Real Kyper & Bourne - Pre-Draft Trade Board

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee share some thoughts on the Panthers' cup parade before getting into Kyp's recently published trade board heading into the NHL draft. They delve into how the Leafs need to get creative with a Mitch Marner deal, Brad Marchand's reported 4-year, $9 million contract in Toronto, Jason Robertson landing spots, and the Canucks' looming decision on Elias Pettersson. Later, they predict how July 1st will go for Connor McDavid and the Oilers, why the Islanders should try to hang on to Noah Dobson and the Leafs' options for Morgan Rielly. Finally, they react to the 2025 Hockey Hall of Fame class, headlined by Alexander Mogilny FINALLY getting the call.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

the NHL season may be over, but we aren't far from it on the real Kipper and born show. We are live on sports net sports that five 90, the fan sports that nine 60 in Calgary six 50 in Vancouver and sports net plus Jake, the Snake Schultz, Derek Brandeo, Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. We continue to produce the fastest hour in hockey. Running out of them, Kip. We're, uh, I got nothing else to say for the rest of the hour. Two weeks. That's it. That's all you got. I did. I did listen to you guys on my way home

from my wedding in New Jersey yesterday. How was it, chaotic? Yeah, it was the real bunkest show and you guys got to talk a little bit, I think, in the show, right? Which was nice, did you feel fortunate? It was lovely. To be able to sneak in a word or two on your own show?

You know how it is. We like our people with opinions and he's got them. Oh yeah. He certainly does. He certainly does. But no, it was good listening. I enjoyed it. Good.

Mid. It was a mid show. We'll take it. I'm not mad at that. It was a mid show. How was the drive to, you're in New York, right? Easy, yeah. Real easy.

You know, I know some people may have had some issues maybe getting over the border on occasions, but there is no signs of it for Nick. Okay, that's a valid. They have like an overpass for Nick. For your bridge. Smooth, smooth sailing for sure. But yeah, lots of talk, obviously, as the parting

continues in Florida and what you guys liked and what maybe others aren't liking so much. What are your thoughts? My thoughts are I'm glad there So, I get all of it. I do. Alcohol. Championship. That's all you need to say right there. No, no, testosterone. Plenty of beating, you know, your chest with social media. I get all of it. But it's not really for me, right?

But it was for you, right? Like when you were their age, do you feel like? Yeah, but you know, where they're completely similar and whether it's 1994, 2025 is that, you know, there's a camera, there's a microphone. You know that you're live, you know that you're going out to the public. How do I phrase this?

The lack of respect for your opponents was never in the equation for us. And now, I don't know if the guys continue to get egged on and there's, you know, Bunkus and maybe Sammy and I don't know where you really stand on it, but I didn't love this stuff about the Oilers. Some people think it's great for the game. Yeah.

That it's good and it draws more animosity and it's great. I just don't see it that way. I get the idea, like Bunk was saying saying yesterday that it does create genuine Dislike like none of this fabricated whatever if you're the oilers. It's like oh, you know what game does that? Yeah, yeah, if you feel like you didn't need the extra thing I the only thing that really bothered me was like the losers logo from our fan I didn't think that you know I but I know you're no problem. They're just Listen, they're drunken guys who just beat the same team twice in the final

They clearly hated each other all we ever heard during the thing was like oh, it's the meanest series ever These guys are mean to each other. They hate each other. They hate each other and they beat him for two years in a row They don't care. I'm also a huge Sam Bennett fan Did he need to go on the microphone and just say we get to do whatever we want whenever we want That's a tough one for Gary, right? It's a tough look for Gary. It's it's it's I don't know whether or not, you know in today's world that that's a Really good message to send out that you know where we can do whatever we want. I know one thing they cannot do Give her what is that? Is that Panama? Raka? What is that? I don't know. It's a football

But I'll tell you one thing that Sam Bennett's wrong that they cannot do under no circumstance get more fans no Take the Stanley Cup into the ocean. What do you mean? They can't? No. Why? Because they're not allowed to. Did they try? They did it last year. Yeah.

And that was a this year forbidden no-no. Just salt corrode silver? You have no idea. Oh really? And they were already somewhat in trouble because they dropped the cup and broke it a little bit already and they had to send somebody down there to fix it. So, but, but salt water, salt water, salt water and the Stanley cop were never to meet. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I don't know what that chemical

reaction is. Outside of that, Sam's bet it's pretty close in terms of you know the Yeah beating your opponent up, you know To tapping goalies and all of that. He's pretty much bang on on that I think this is very much the Rorschach test Ian people see what they see in this you like it I like it whatever I didn't see much from them since the parade. Maybe they've gone their several ways. Well, you've worn out. Yeah.

At some point you gotta take a knee and have brunch. But there was like, I thought it would have kind of settled down and then I saw like, Marshaan back at the elbow room ordering pizzas. I was like, these guys are back there. Like, so you never know, but now they've probably gone home to their families,

I would imagine. Starting to sound like Florida's doing everything they can to keep everybody right now. But you know, at 3 a.m., arm around each other, Marshand and those guys, we're coming back. We're never leaving. 100% that conversation happened, including Marshand. And then Marshand's agent's like, Brad?

Yeah, hello, Bradley. Hey, Brad. Hey, let me do a blood alcohol test here, and then let's talk. As a reminder, this hour of Real K kipper and born brought to you by bet 365 as My latest edition of my trade board 2.0 is out going into the draft going into free agency We got a few names out there guys and all-star team. Where do you want to to start? There there's a lot of demand out there.

I think teams try to figure out their salary caps and how much room they have, how much they don't, what they're willing to move off of. Lots of talk. The catchphrase now is we're not necessarily shopping names, but we are listening, right? So- What's the difference?

That's semantics right it is It is one probably gets you in a little bit more trouble than others right, but it is what it is I got my list out. Where do you guys want to start? Top seems like a good spot first name first name would help yeah So just let's start by seeking clarity Mitch martyrs name is the top of your list it is a trade board It's not a sign board Yes is the top of your list. It is a trade board. It is not a sign board. Is he at the top of the list because of the trades he will inspire or because he himself will get traded before

July 1st? There's the bottom scope of people saying that he's willing to sign a two-year deal to a max deal, which would have to include a sign and trade, which would be the eight years. So we do know that there's a lot of teams interested. The serious ones probably have been established already. What we believe could be Carolina, Vegas, Los Angeles as three definitively what we believe and then on the outside could be a team like the Dallas Stars. So I

I know there's a lot about Certain guys including McDavid We can happily have that conversation to a little later on in terms of how short of a deal that they'd potentially want but in in terms of how short of a deal that they'd potentially want. But in Marner's particular case, I don't see a world where he signs a two-year deal, which many are talking about like this. I like three or four makes total sense. I've been on this for years with you guys

saying that the stars should all be doing that. Yeah. I'm the only one that ever did it with the least guys. I mean, so far it's only Matthews. And Marner did it. He was less than eight when he first signed. He was six. Six, so.

But it just makes so much more sense. You're financially secure. You got the chance to hit home runs and if you don't like your situation, chance at flexibility and. Yeah, and if there's a chance that he just wants to do this once and he pitchers a place where he could be with his family

for the next eight years. The new family thing helps that. The new family, does he want to uproot? Does he want to go through the whole thing over again, anywhere between two and four years and pick up the family? He just went through a scenario of playing out his option. I can't believe for one second it was an easy situation to go through all year. I could easily see him saying, I don't want that again.

In what, 36 months? Right? No, no thank you. So if that's the case and he wants to go max, which is seven now, then I think it makes a lot of sense for teams to go back to the Leafs and say, okay, what can we do? We want the eighth year, we want to bring our AAV down. What can we do?

So that's a situation with Marner that I could see easily happening. And if you're a team who is gonna spend to land Marner in free agency, you want it to be eight years like he's 27 is he is that right? Yes. You know like you yeah you want all the years you can get you know I'll just ask you what I'm thinking of when we say this you the Vegas Gold Knights have to move money to make room Petrangelo's LTIR yes could believe say you don't like that William Carlson contract anymore he's making 5.9 I have William Carlson on the board

Timo Myers another name that's being thrown out there as well really he's a little higher at 6.75 right you know a lot of these guys that I have on the list, they're they're in the five million kind of range, which is three to five, three to six, six and a half. And they are easy contracts to move. So in saying that, they're they're definitely committed to they're definitely committed to Jack Eichel, but outside of that, if they could move one of those centermen in Carlson or Timo. Did you mean from Vegas? Did you mean Hurdle?

Oh, sorry, Hurdle. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. Jersey, I'm... Yeah, it's okay. Hurdle makes... Timo's in New Jersey. Hurdle, sorry, Hurdle. Hurdle makes 6.75.

At 6.75, yeah hurdle 20 30 so hurdle or Carlson if they can move that type of money out Yeah, then it kind of opens it up for for for Mitch Marner and there's gonna be another move as well So all for them. Yeah, Petra Angelo guys ain't coming back for a very long time and there's there's serious concerns about his future and even potentially playing again. Really? Yeah. Do you have any insight? I can't remember what it was that...

Yeah, I don't... I mean, I can speculate. I can speculate, but there's some that are telling me that there's a hip issue. But there's some that are telling me that there's a hip issue. And we've seen so many others in situations where it's shut them down completely. And then there's other ones where they're hanging on. Pat Kane is a good example of that. I don't know where Petrangelo would be if we are talking about a similar type of injury. So I wrote an article for Sportsnet, I don't know, a week or two ago where I said that the Leafs would have to get creative in the offseason because you look at the list of

UFAs out there and the solution is not there for them. There is no answer. This what you're talking about, Carlson, but much more Tomas Hurtle is exactly what I'm talking about. Hurtle is exactly what I'm talking about. Hurtle is 6'3, 220. He scored 33 times last year. He's gonna make under 7 million dollars. He's 31. You know, so yeah, he's a little older but he just had a good year. He's big. He's good. The Leafs primary focus right now is a top winger and a number two centerman.

If they get hurt on that Tavares thing, it changes. That doesn't include Tavares. They're looking for a number two centerman, which means that they're not slotting Tavares in next year at number two. So what does that mean? Which is, in all of our opinions, I think, the right decision to be making. You're not winning a cup with the bars as your to see Correct now that's not to say that there isn't a place for Tavares forward if you want him, but there's not at the dollars

There's a place for him on the team for sure that's the dilemma for sure He there's a place, you know, if he's your 3c, I love what you get out of him, right? You would love it. Yeah, but you're not gonna pay your 3c and love what you get out of him right you would love it yeah but you're not gonna pay your 3c six million dollars so allow me to ask the stupid question here the Marner hurdle slash Carlson thing is that all part of the same thing would that be in like a sign and trade thing if if you're Brad tree living you're certainly trying that okay well. Like, there's such a shortage of centermen out there, guys. That's why people think that there's a $10 million offer for Sam Bennett out there if he wants to leave Florida.

Yeah. That's how high in demand these guys are. And, you know, to the agents of John Tavares, Pat Persand, if I'm not mistaken. Correct. He knows that there might be six out there for him or seven at 38 goals. And really not much of a difference between him

and Stamp Coast outside of whatever you perceive as being successful is that there might be a market out there that isn't reflective of how Tampa felt about Stamp Coast or how Toronto feels about Tavares, but it's out there. Yeah. Does he wanna go? How badly does he wanna stay? So if I'm Kelly McCrimmon, I don't think,

I mean, if he wants to sign there anyway, Marner wants to sign in Vegas, what leverage does Brad for Living have trying to get one of their twoarner wants to sign in Vegas, what leverage does Brad Living have trying to get one of their two centers out of there in a, I guess it's just a salary cap? It's just a cap? Vegas has to make money, that helps. Yeah, but they're too good.

No, they're too good and there's too much value in them. Some other team would give you something for her though. First rounders, top prospects, and this is where unfortunately the Leafs are in a little bit of a pickle here is that they don't have any first rounders in the next what three years. Not many prospects either. Not many prospects and what else can I give you? And others can. So it's a tough spot

Well, that's you know, that's the spot They're working from this offseason is it is gonna be a challenge But they're gonna have to find creative ways like this that would be a gift to them If in fact Marner was like, yeah, yeah, I want to do an eight-year deal in Vegas, which I get Vegas Apparently my dad lived there for years coaching and loved it. It's a good place to be. So you mentioned top wingers. One of the top wingers in the market been a lot of smoke from you about the Brad Marchand situation.

I listen a lot of smoke, but not a blazing fire like this nasty. Yeah, it's done. This is done four years nine million dollars per year. He said that today. Oh, yeah, I want to believe I didn't go that far. It's done. He says it's done four years, $9 million per year. He said that today. Oh, what to the least. I didn't go that far. He said it was done. He said, Viznas, he said it was done.

Agreed upon. Agreed upon. Oh, what? Yes. No. So, and I said it last week, and the feeling was last week that no one was willing to go that high.

I'm starting to hear that there's teams now that are totally jumping on board with this guy and that teams are like, will be surprised if in fact the Leafs and where this thing goes. If the Leafs media market is in fact a disincentive for players to play here, I can coach them on how to make it easier. Don't sign for more than you're worth. Don't sign for way more than you're worth. Sign for a good contract.

That's fine. People could probably live with that. You just can't make more than you're worth here. Or it's tough. Sign me up. I don't care. Yeah, sign me up, baby. Yeah, sign me up So everyone who says eight it's like oh eight's fine, but nine's not you should have no line nine's fine It's okay. Where do you stop? I mean like is it but you were you okay with eight? Yes, okay. Well, it's like what I like you're gonna not get him over a mill for yes

And with a cap absolutely with a cap flying up like yes I this is too much money. Of course. It's too much money. It's the ultimate dilemma signed a damn contract Brad ain't get and there's Name me another team that could use him more than the Leafs Florida probably no More than the Leafs Florida probably no least Florida can still compete and maybe win without them Yeah, no, you're right. It's it's a good fit. It's a good fit. It's great fit The perfect fit not for nine million ain't Not for nine mil times four. I mean 37 currently hey

So two years and then two with a bad back. Yeah, okay, now we're talking. Okay, you know where it's going. Yeah, same place, same place, same place. Is he allergic to his equipment? Five years, six years. Same place that they're all headed. By the way, I don't mean to be dismissive

of Marion Hose's skin, like a real skin condition that made it hard or whatever. But it's, it is just the funniest phrasing of a reason why a guy could no longer earn his money. Allergic to your equipment? Yeah. It sounds funny. I understand it's a real thing.

So, I can tell you that there's a strong push now for Florida to try to get all three of them back right now. All three of them. To me, they should be prioritizing Ekblad over Barchand. Ekblad is a lot of their identity. It's the nasty guy who can skate and pass and play and scare people. I don't think Ekblad's gonna be that hard.

And I think he may even take a pay cut to stay. Of course he will. A cut? A cut. Why wouldn't he? A cut. I mean, it's not a cut. Money's not an issue with this guy.

But it's not a cut. But it is a cut. I mean, it is not a cut money's not an issue with this guy, but it's not a cut But it is I mean it it is But is it like it's I mean, oh, he's gonna take 8 million there, which is how much everywhere else like it's not a cut It's what all these guys do that six He didn't make much last year. No, he made seven and a half So he's gonna take for number one. I think I think he might be in a position to take six or six and a half I think that's the the push is

You want to go and try to win a third cup now and be a part of something very historic or Logo and or do you need another? Five million at the end of your career or six million at the end of the career at the end of your career So that's that's where they're at and I think that's what they're pushing on Brad too, as well. Is that, okay, could you take, I don't know what the number is, to be honest with you, five or six, which would be seven and a half, eight in a lot of other places. I don't know. I don't know.

But that's- The problem is Brad hasn't got his money. He's always been underpaid. He's going to get his 9 million in Toronto maybe maybe but rent in Yorkville for 8000 a month if it's still the most important thing to him or has anything changed in the past week about he hasn't had a coherent thought since the game and correct. He has been bamboozled since that end But but this strategy has already been discussed between him and his agent and his family countless times

Before they won the cup, you know before the trade deadline after the trade deadline For sure, it's it's but things. Emotionally things can change for sure. And winning a cup is a pretty big emotional swing. Yes, with the guys that you're now feeling like... Brothers alive, man! Emily, I love you, I love you more. No, I love you more! I'll do it for 4mil! Um, alright.

Oh, that was the first name on the list. On to number 2. Jason Robertson. Jason Robertson Jason Robertson There's Nick for Jason two guys now There's two categories thanks to Florida really the last few years are the guys that you pay to get you in the playoffs and the guys Who can help you win in the playoffs? Where is Dallas with Jason Robertson? Yeah, like his stats dictate that he should be paid x and and help you win in the playoffs. Where is Dallas with Jason Robertson? Yeah, like his stats dictate that he should be paid X and he's a great example of,

you know what I said the other day on our show was that we don't really pay guys commensurate with how much the team values them. Like this guy's a winner, he gets you through. Like I don't think the team values him as much as his stats. So he is going into his last year of his deal at 7.5. He's eligible to sign a new contract July 1st.

I bet they'd pay him 7.5. The ask could be between 11 and 12 million. That's what I mean. AAV. I'm sure they'd be happy to keep paying him that. You think that they'd pay him 12 million? No, no, no, I'm saying what he's currently making. Oh, yeah.

I bet they. Okay, so tell me if you're Jim Nill now and he's asked for a seven or eight year deal at 11-5 where you on Jason Robertson yeah it's a great question yeah he's obviously he scored 50 in the league and he's no two twice 40 twice 40s out of this area he's 25 years old yes oh he's a talent 200. Tough to come by caps going up 10 and a half. We have no taxes. So I've got him and Martin and they cash in the same category, right? Where they're point of game players. They're ultra talented. Yeah. Guys that

can help you. Robertson overnature. Okay, can get you in the playoffs all day long. But can they get you through to a Stanley Cup final? My Toronto Maple Leafs concern these days, I think they're gonna be under-talented. Like, I thought they had a talent deficit with Florida in that series. I think losing Marner is a massive blow to the talent level, and there's this big push

to get more like Florida, heavier, more Carlo, more McCabe more tan of you know, what about hockey? Who's gonna go make the plays like in games where you need one? You got to start looking for a couple guys who can get you one. Yeah, I think there's I'm concerned about the talent level of the team in the absence of Marner. So some of these names appeal you got guys that are question marks natures Robertson Elias Pettersson You don't know what you're gonna get some knives boy. You need talent. I have talent and it It's short

Around the league. I think the players that you're talking about 32 teams. It's getting harder to find them very much. So I Mean this conversation is quite funny Like they could ever find a hundred points selkie level winger who's really good in all situations God if they could ever find a guy like that, but that there's my girl, but there's certain markets that Like it are so emotional based on lack of playoffs. It's like, get rid of them, get rid of them. And it's like, hold on for a second. Who's going to replace these players once you move their talents out? And I include Robertson, right?

It's funny because there's people saying, well, he wasn't that great in the big moments. However, you're in the big moments every year Yeah, you get the chance to fail. Yeah You know like I I am concerned about getting back to the level where you have the chance to be tested They're definitely going to be different. Really? That's for sure. Yeah, so another for Vancouver audience Patterson kept yeah. Yeah There has to be an offer there that they are so comfortable with and they need a top centerman

back. Isn't Marner a lesson for them a little bit like where they didn't move him before his no trade kicked in and then we're going, ah crap, now he holds all the cards. Like they're kind of stuck. Well, but they're kinda stuck. Well, but they're stuck to what though? Yeah, forever. Okay, but forever might be good

if he becomes a 100 point guy that he's supposed to be. Oh, forever's not that long. He's, but if he's not happy. Mark, you didn't get stuck with Marner. You ran out of years. He's leaving, you don't want him to leave. Like, they would welcome. Right, but you lost control of the situation

where at least now, if you think Pedersen's not gonna become a 100 point guy. Oh gosh, he's a 75-point guy Wow Then you know what you think talk it was just flat wrong about him. Well, probably not How about the ownership and Jimmy Rutherford and the rest of them who gave him that contract you made you were supposed to have made that Decision already when you offered him the massive contract Like that ship sail cost fallacy What's the right? No, if he's not good enough or doesn't want to do it

If it's one thing to say that but then go make the trade that you think will Will make you better. It's free up the money, right? You free up the money. Oh gosh. He isn't he isn't no move clause, but like the money, right? You free up the money. Oh gosh. He isn't no move clause, but like... July 1st. July 1st? Yes.

Oh, yes. But I mean, I don't think, he doesn't strike me as a type of guy that would be devastated to have to leave Vancouver. Like I think he's the type of guy you could sell on being traded somewhere. I never saw him signing this deal. Neither did I, I was stunned when he did it.

I was very surprised. People there telling me they felt like he got pressured into doing it, you know, when he was like, take the money at some point in retrospect Good job signing that contract man, because maybe you weren't but at the start of his career for the first few he was Undeniably worth that money like he really really was a great player for the first thank you So what was last year was that I don't know didn't wanna I do not know Yeah, I do not know and that would scare me to the...

I don't think he'd be that type of guy even if you went past July 1st with him. He doesn't strike me as the guy that says, I don't want to go anywhere. Like if it continued to go down the path where he's not happy, the team's not happy, and the fan base is screaming, he strikes me as a guy that'll work with the organization to say, okay, just find me a spot here. I don't think they should trade him unless they feel like they're getting the right deal that could cover their ass if he turns around and becomes a 100 point guy again. It's funny cause like reading a lot of the reports

these days, it's like there is a lot of buyers. A lot of teams want to take that step. Chicago's ready, San Jose wants to get better, Anaheim wants to get better, Toronto's trying to buy. Columbus I hear is ready to blow their brains out. Caroline, Dallas, Vegas, are they real? I'm sure they are. Yes.

Our boy Donnie, is he gonna get a New Jersey for us? There are so many teams that are like, we want the talent we're talking about here. They're sitting on Elias Pedersen. You're right, you would have to say, okay, everyone gets tomorrow at noon, email me your offer, we'll see if anyone wins. And maybe no one does, but just send me your offer. We'll see if anyone wins and if maybe no one does but just send me an offer

Yeah, I think I think these conversations are happened behind the scenes yeah, you know Just covering this league for a very long time I Don't know the Availability, let's just say there's a thousand players in the league. How many are available with the right combination? Like is it 75% of the league, 80% of the league, 85% available available for trade? Yeah, right. Yeah, you make the right offer. I get almost I can't ever recall hearing so many names names where it's like, yeah, we'll

move them if it's the right deal. And other years it's been like, no, no, we're not, that guy's untouchable. I mean, do you think we could put together a list of 100 untouchable players? I doubt it. I doubt we could. Like, you know, it's-

100 seems like a lot right now. I could get you a list of 10. Yeah. Right? Get you a list of 10. Other than that. Yeah. You know, it's, and I love that, see, this is why the flat cap has been so frustrating.

Nothing could happen. Had to be, okay, salary retention, and he takes a pay cut, and they swap this, and we, now it's just like, you have some freedom to make some moves, and also you don't have to be under the cap until season starts, so. The owner's got tremendous assurance of not overspending with a hard salary cap but the

players got a lot of freedom to work within this hard cap to get out from under situations easier and faster than we've ever seen before. And that's apparently it was a big trade-off as well for the players is that, you know, if you're not happy and you don't want to stay, there's ways of getting out early, really early. And we're seeing it with, you know, Marner at 27 now and a few others and it's like, okay, all right. I mean, we can't see our contracts blow right up

with the likes of the NBA or the NFL or all these guys making 40, 50, 60 million a year. But I get to pick a place where I can play when I'm 27 early in my prime. I think NHL contracts should be max term five years, like the NBAs. Like I think people love this player movement stuff And I understand as a player, you know, I don't know. I mean, I don't know like why would I ever buy a jersey?

Of a player because I think people love this stuff as much if not more I think this early fans loving this oilers Six or seven really good point Oilers got six or seven really good point oilers got six or seven they they're they're now having to deal with Connor McDavid being 12 months away 12 months away from walking out for nothing tell me how much oiler fans are enjoying this right now right and you know what though I think you've changed my mind with just that comment alone like you should be able to think your guys or your... Yes. That's a good point.

And I don't know. I don't know if it's really a good thing or not. All this movement, all this shuffling and... You know, I mean... Mitch Marner refused to sign a two-year deal at 30 million bucks. Like... And then potentially walk out in 24 months. He's just gonna hear the same things

that he heard the last few years in Toronto. Oh, you're all about the money and you don't care about the team. And it's like. But if you signed a two year deal, that's what you would be caring about. I don't see him doing that. Neither do I.

That's all. Neither do I. Right? But it's funny, you know, even saying that, that's what he would be caring about. It's like, you just skip around to teams that you think are gonna win. Teams Lapey is you just skip around to teams you think are going to win. Teams Lapey is on.

Go for it. Yeah. If Marchand holds out for the biggest offer and if it's from the Leafs, I mean, but that's OK, because he's a. But this is what I'm saying. Two times Stanley Cup champion. It hasn't happened yet. Well, that does change things, but I'm telling you, people won't like that if it's way over what he was rumored to be getting way more than he ever got

It won't be good Just back to Elias Pedersen before he feels like Carolina still I actually think that makes sense Yeah, I don't know. Carolina's gonna get someone. He's just the most Carolina hurricane of all time. I thought Logan Stankovic was Him too. Him too. I can't wait to talk about Morgan Reilly on the other day. Oh, okay. Anyways, we should do game time. It's game time.

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What? Yes. Wow. Yeah, okay. Yeah plenty more when we returned to real kipper and born Diving deep into leaps raptors jays and nfl the jady bunk is podcast Subscribe and download the show on apple spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. This hour, Real Kipper and Boran brought to you by bet three, six, five, Nick Kipper, Justin Boran, Sammy McKee. Should have done game time on when we anticipate Connor McDavid signing whatever the number of years. July 1st 2026 in Toronto. Are you of the belief that he's just gonna sign with the Oilers any minute now? No. Not eligible to the first anyway. No.

I don't think you go down the path that he just went down with the uncertainty and then signed July 1st, even if it is for a year or two years or the max eight, I just, I don't see it. I think he knew what he was doing and saying the moment they lost the Stanley Cup final. And I see nothing but putting Euler ownership and management on high alert that I'm holding you guys accountable from here on in.

You know, I just I'm going off here and I think Stauffer, I think CJ, I think some people said 100% chance he's back. Like there's that's% chance he's back. It's fine. It's fine. But when? Like when? When does that happen?

Does that happen mid July, beginning of July, August, September, December, March? What is it you need to see Connor out of us before you do make that commitment? A goalie. Okay, that's fine. But I think clear communication on that would be good. You know, like, he probably doesn't want to see big names changing teams, though the Oilers. I'm sure he's thinking, why can't we be Vegas? They chase every good player out there.

Can we go get a good player? You know, like, I'm sure those are on his mind. It's great that they got to but you can hear loud more Is there a number of changes or is there names out there that he'll like what happens if you make a couple moves that He doesn't like right. I also think you cannot let any player be the GM. You can't go full Lebron No, I don't think so for sure, but that's just an internal thing between him Maybe an agent a family member, but does he need to see? significant changes before he's ready to sign on the dotted line or is it just one change like

dotted line or is it just one change like What does that look like my money's on a three-year deal? Doesn't that make sense when three years like soon like I don't know August August they may add a player to he feels they get a goalie and he goes, okay Okay cup final two years in a row. We've got new goalie. Leon's here. We're obviously close. All you know, let's take another crack at it. But I'm not signing up for eight more just yet.

I think that's fair. Yeah. And also like what the Sedin's did it year by year. Like you get to a point where these are like good players and it's I'm coming back as long as things were competitive and situations good to hold your owner accountable. Every day that goes by, oiler fans will worry, right? Justified. Yep. All right, let's get to the rest of this list.

And the Bouchard thing too was interesting during that. Larry was like, they wanted, about how like decisive he was about them signing Bouchard during his like, yeah. That was interesting. God, he's great. Bouchard's gonna get his money. Like he is-

Think he gets 10? Yeah, without a doubt, I think he gets 10. Yeah, I without a doubt I think he gets 10. I think he's He's talented enough the numbers support it And Number sure do he's he's in a good spot. Listen, I'm not sure I'm not sure what he looks like away from dry side Lerner McDavid He's on Anaheim. Is he what is he?

The Islanders. Honest question. Is he is he Noah Dobson 70 point season? Is he? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I think it's a good situation for him. It's comfortable. His offense meshes with McDavid's and Drysidle. It's a good scenario. And I think they're going to be okay giving him 10, 10 and a half. That's just the going rate for top offensive talented players. Dobbson is on this list by the way.

I do, yeah, I know. Just one thing on Bouchard is that, I will stand by that I don't think he can be your number one go-to guy to get you to a Stanley Cup People yelled at you on Twitter for that, but he can he can fit in with the mix for sure as a top three guy top three well To protect the lead I'm not sure I want him on the ice in the last 30 seconds I don't know. Maybe it's an at-home type of player and somebody else but I

Just don't think that's his his total strength as a as a top shut down and offense guy Hilarious slander and I say it hilarious because this was such a good player that I see people using all the time is ah He's Mike Green Mike Green was so good for a few years there. He was so good I saw Noah Dobson called that 30 ah, he's Mike Green. Mike Green was so good. For a few years there, he was so good. I saw Noah Dobson called that today. 30-goal scorer, Mike Green. Yeah, and yeah, he used to have that great look-off to Ovi,

like he was able to make plays. You can't find guys like that right now. He is a unique, the least a kill for someone who could move the puck from the backhand with those guys. Okay, Dobson, another guy. 31 goals and 68 games in 08, 09. Yeah. Uh, Dobson's another guy where you gotta make a decision. Like what is he? He's 24, six three, right? D.

He didn't take a next step last year. He had a great year the year before and he didn't step up. And that is a concern when you're also talking about a guy that could want over $10 million. We just did this thing where there's not many guys in the league and you work so hard to get them and you draft them and it takes forever to develop them and you get them there and you go, ah, I want some mail more than we're comfortable with. Like Islanders can't do that. They can't afford to let a guy like that walk out. And I know he switched agents in the off season.

He's trying to, you know, he's trying to get paid, but what are the Islanders gonna get back? Picks? Picks? Could they get the sixth overall pick? Maybe they could get two seconds like they got for De'Von Taves. Oh, why would you do that?

It's eerily similar. Why'd you say that? I know that hurt. I know it's a dilemma for a lot of GMs that you go, what's a better alternative? Yeah, I really, you know, I've tweeted a couple times today about James Huggins, the Long Island kid slated to go on some draft boards five six seven you know earlier in the year was rumored to be a near near the top pick yeah Long Island would love to have him playing at the rinks at Jerry Hart's old rink and hop hog good story you know it's it's perfect and so could they trade for that pick maybe Dobson's involved in that I don't know but I'd love to see them get when When are they going to be ready to win?

It's tough to see it real soon, isn't it? It is. So maybe there is a window where you can not make that commitment to Dobson and move them on and take your assets. Problem is he's 24, right? Yeah. He is a demon. He'd be good for 10 years.

Anyway. Morgan Reilly. Anything different? Let's see, he's, no, he's just, it depends on how aggressive Bradtree Living and the Leafs want to get in terms of finding alternatives and how hard they push on Morgan to come to the conclusion that it's time to move on. Now in our time doing the show, they've never pushed anyone. Not once has it happened with the players.

Not to my knowledge of being really aggressive. Yeah, going to a guy with a trade and saying, hey, it's just not what you want. But I put Morgan in the same situation as Patterson in Vancouver. It's like, okay, you've got this no move, that's fine, but that doesn't mean that we can't eventually come to the conclusion that it's just time to move on. You'd have to have a deal roughly in the bag. That's the way it works.

Brad's out there and he's finding out who's interested in a puck moving defenseman. And I know he hasn't had great years the last few years, but he is a legit 18, 20 minute guy. He is a minute muncher. He can skate the puck out. He could play on a power play. He is, he's legit. He's legit.

I think- At seven's not that's not you're not getting killed by it so there'd be a number of teams very interested in and taking Morgan Riley I'm curious like the the Leafs the more I think of their roster and talked about the talent deficit some of it to me is on the back end because now they're really big and really solid but it's like Like someone with a little bit of upside on the offensive This is Riley supposed to be that but he hasn't been that so I don't see Rasmus Anderson's name is in here Like a guy like internet blood. I think that'd be fun. Yeah

Rasmus Anderson for the Calgary's Listeners, sorry. Yeah, and really in the same boat with Robertson and Nakesh in Colorado where it's like, okay, what are you willing to pay on a long term deal and if it's not there, then you got to move them. There's no other alternative. Yeah, and looking at Calgary, they're probably, their window, I don't know when they think their window is. They're not super young.

So I don't know, it's just tough to get people to Calgary sometimes. I'd hate to see them lose them. The defenseman that has me very intrigued is Nick Haig in Vegas because he's not going to make seven or eight million dollars, but he could make five and change. And to me, he's, he's trade him sooner, potentially have a team offer sheet him at four, six. At four, six. Yeah, four six. At four six. Yeah.

And that's a second rounder. And keep in mind, this guy, big as he gets on the back end, one of Stanley, six, six, two, 40. Six, six, two, 40. And you know, one of Stanley Coppies, proving he can play a depth role. Yeah. So that, to me, he could get traded this week.

Oh, you think so? Yeah, I I don't know Vegas doesn't appear that they want to pay him around five million bucks Even with maybe even the Petrangelo situation I don't think that they're they're interested in in getting him done on a long-term deal. Hmm Hockey Hall of Fame. Yeah, give us some names. All right, the Hockey Hall of Fame class of 2025, the player category, Duncan Keith, Zedane Ochara, Alexander McGilney, and Joe Thornton. This is a really good sports talk radio. Agree?

Great picks! Good job! There's a couple things to say. The Alexander McGilney one was, I think, overdue to some of us because this is the Hockey Hall of Fame, not the NHL Hall of Fame There's a lot of resistance for him getting in but I mean this guy the way he came to base I know what based on what do you mean based on what why resistance? Well his NHL Career left some wanting some effort some people didn't think numbers were off the chart

Some people didn't think that yeah gave it. Yeah all he had Okay him in but he gave it all he had to get here him in Toronto though for those two years I was like, that's the best hockey player that's ever lived 30. Yeah, he's five He scored I think he scored third just over 33 34 in his year and it's here for two years But man, yeah, and then the other names the women's player category sports that own sports that's own jennifer boderl that's great brian reagan decker jack parker and daniel savagel so there you go and jack parker uh was he coached at boston university from like 1975 until like 2030 for me watching like mcgillian and that's like it was like

Watching a wizard on the ice. He's a freaking nature. I am have a burry and Sergey Fedorov. Yeah, that was like those three guys in particular are the guys that I got to play against and watch Russian and go Oh my god Fedorov was the coolest. How can you be that good? Yeah, sure. I will say Keith and Chara were the defensemen of that era of hockey They were I think Keith for me if I had to pick of those players if I had like in their prime guy to pick Yeah, I'm picking Duncan Keith of all those guys He could go he could pinch so aggressively and if he missed he'd be back on the other side of you by his breath Taking skater breathtaking skater on the outside still looking in Keith

Kachuk and Carey Price yeah Carey Price didn't get in surprised he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer Carey Price I don't know no cups but yeah yeah probably I he'll get David yeah yeah gazillion gold. Yeah, but I thought he would be a trophy first thought. All right, you're getting harder and harder though I'll tell you what it's and More emphasis now on Stanley Cup playoff success, too. Yeah. Yeah Go check out kippers article and sports and dot CA a lot of names on here. I'll tell you about Thanks, pal. Carlson, Nacius, Owen Byrom, Jay, like what's Byrom and Peturka from?

Yes. A lot of talk about Buffalo players in generally, in general, just wondering about is this organization ever going to see the playoffs again? Probably not. Right. It's, it's, it's, it's an issue. It's an issue on, do I need to send the message that I don't want to be here long term? And that's what JJ is going through and maybe a few others as well. Tough spot for the management. Yeah. Third rebuild in Buffalo.

A lot of work there. A lot of work. Oh, and Matt Martin retired. And he's taking over as assistant GM for the Islanders to Matthew Darsh there you go 15 years in the yellow for a show advisor and no in in the island in the island Matthew Darsh is now the general manager of the right you're taking over for I know I said he's taking over at's in summer mode already, Sammy. What are you guys talking about? He goes today in 104 degree weather.

Oh, that's fine. How do you go, Matty? There you go. All right, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. If you get a chance, give us a rating and a review. We'd love to hear from you.