Real Kyper & Bourne - Pre-Draft Trade Mania

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee kick off with their thoughts on the Sabres trade that sent Bowen Byram to the Chicago Blackhawks for the fourth-overall pick. Then, they discuss whether Buffalo's next move will be for Connor Hellebuyck, Alex Tuch being traded to Washington with an eight-year extension, rumours around reigning Norris Trophy winner Zach Werenski, and the latest on Matthew Knies. Then, they discuss the Senators moving the ninth-overall pick for William Eklund from the Sharks, Morgan Rielly submitting a four-team trade list, where Elias Pettersson might land, and the NHL considering further expansion in Texas. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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I didn't get the memo to wear red today for Canada and Switzerland. Yeah? Are we allowed to talk about it at all? They're playing. It's happening. So where was my, hey, wear red, Kipper. Where is that? It's kind of this thing that's been going on in the city.

It's called in the World Cup. In fairness, Sam, and I did not communicate either. No. We're just in red. Okay, I'll give you that. We do look fabulous, though. These are nice shirts. My wife went away this week.

He didn't have parental supervision at home. I've been golf. I've played 30. six holes a day. I'm not aware of anything that's going on outside of the vicinity of 18 holes. We're leaving yesterday and Kip's like running off. He's like, I got to get back to the course.

And I broke my driver. Oh, my God. But Calloway's going to look after that for me. That smash fact. I will say, all that pales in pairs into the last 24 hours in the hockey world boys. Oh my God. Can you keep track?

Can you keep track? No, I'm lost. I don't even know what the biggest, like I, you know, I do the lineup. I try to put stuff in order of what's the biggest thing. I don't know. I guess it's Byram. Okay.

I love this. We'll start with Bo Byram, who was on my trade board list. It was clear that he had no intentions of finding ways to stay in Buffalo, resign in Buffalo. I think it was pretty clear. Yarmu was in a position where he was shopping him around. And he found a big fish in Chicago in Kyle Davidson. Say that again.

Now, a lot of heat, I think, on Kyle for what is perceived. is overspending with the fourth overall pick. Yeah. I kind of get it in terms of supply and demand for these type of players, his age, what he can do. I get the overspend, but it's still an overspend. Yeah, it's pretty overspendy, in my opinion. Like, Bo Byron is not, he's just never been the guy, right?

Like it wasn't the case in Buffalo, wasn't the place in Colorado and everyone saying, well wait, he's going to be the guy. But that's another rung on the ladder that you're just not 100% sure. He's not a defensive. I like Bo Byram too. I am not trying to knock Bo Byram. But fourth overall, are we sure Byram's going to be better than Chase Reed in two years or whoever? To your point, like, when you think of Bo Byram, what comes to you right away?

Offense. Offense? Okay. All right. But, yeah, I get it. He was not the number one guy in Buffalo that belonged to Dahlene. Valene, for sure. Right?

Yeah. And can he beat Dahlene to the Chicago Blackhawks moving forward? Yeah, maybe. Maybe, but like I just think, you know, and a lot of fans would agree, I think that the pocket of defensemen that are there at four, you could have had a guy that, are you sure, you know, Byram's going to be better than one of those guys in a couple of years here and you're doing a rebuild.

I don't know. It does feel, the one thing you will say, I'm glad to see they want to start to compete. This whole time of like just taking your lumps and you have to do it. but like, okay, they want to be better next year. And I think you've got to keep Baderd happy at some point. Yeah, I think it's just a little quick. I mean, what are they, 30th overall last year?

31st overall? They're the second worst team in the league last year. It's not like they're the sharks who took a huge step and are starting, I mean, although they traded away one of their young players, so maybe that's not the best example. But like, just felt like they kind of rushed it to me. How about this? Werenski's name is out there.

How much more would have had to be attached to fourth, overall to do that? I don't know. The Rangers were in on Bo Byram and struck out. They had tremendous interest in Brady Kachuk, but that never went anywhere. San Jose also on Bo Byram. So the sense was, you don't know if you're going to do this. You got to kind of do it now or at least Kyle Davidson as well.

To Sammy's point, I probably would have waited it out a little bit more. Yeah. You know? Well, it sounds like there were rumors that San Jose had made an offer of 9, 27 overall and a player, I think, something to that effect. So you had to beat that. The part to me that, I mean, I'm sure I'm not going to be the only one to make this point, but he needs a new contract. Sammy, this deal does not get done unless there's some reassurances. Understanding.

understanding. You do not give up the fourth overall pick to lose him in a year. But that's not the point of making is now that that kind of saps the Blackhawks leverage in terms of negotiating, doesn't it? Like, you kind of have to give him whatever the hell you want because they gave up the fourth overall pick, no. It's been discussed already and it's clear what the parameters are. I'm not telling you that it's done and it's tucked away just yet. But you don't discuss a number. and then go, oh, now it's going to jump by $2 or $3 million.

You can't do that. You lose credibility. You lose respectability. And I guess you could do the rent. The parameters are all set. He's, he waived, he gave the green light for Chicago to make this huge commitment. That means he has to reciprocate on the commitment that if the numbers within this certain parameters, I will sign a brand new seven-year contract. Yeah, the one thing.

Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, you. Do you happen to have those parameters? Sammy, the price now on good players is going through the roof. I think Byron might be Deem Arner. Here's the biggest issue going around the league.

Too few good players. There's just not enough good players for 32 teams. We've had this discussion and we're not going to get into it whether or not it's good or bad or indifferent, whatever, it's just the way it is. There is now a premium beyond belief on guys that are deemed good to great players that you're just going to have to pay through the nose. You know, I was watching some of this happen yesterday,

and I remembered something we talked about a lot last year, which was that no team was really any good. Colorado was good. Colorado at a great regular season. When they were healthy, they were really strong. But Carolina was very good. Carolina was very good start to finish. But outside of that, it was like, God, you looked at all the other contenders

and it was like, God, there's flaws everywhere. Vegas went to the final. They were talking about expanding. This is the new realm around next. You're going to have every year you're going to have five or six super league teams. And then you're going to have 15 to 20 in the mushy middle. tenders. On the outside.

Yeah. On the outside. But to me, last year was more a result of the flat cap keeping everyone so equal for so long that no one was good and no one was bad. We didn't even have many bad teams last year. Like, Mid-HL right now. The Canucks didn't mean to be bad as of a year ago. I watched some pretty bad hockey

down. Where? Okay. So, just to get back to Byron, right, where he's not a super producer like Bouchard. Yeah. Right? And he's not a complete shutdown guy. you know, like a slaven. Yeah.

So what are you willing to pay Byram in 2026, 27? I have no... I know the word that's about to come out of your mouth, and I know it's going to be like 12. No. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. 12? 12.

12. Connor and David. What are you doing, brother? All he has to do, though, is just waited out long enough to see McCar at 18. 19, 20. Quinn Hughes is to be up there too. Quinn Hughes at 17, 18.

For Bo Byron. 19. When those numbers go up, it's just there's a premium not only for just your talent, but just the fact that you're available for me to get.

That's another 20 to 30% because I can't go anywhere else to find a Bo Byron. I can't. They're not available. They don't come around very often. And when they do, I got to pay through the nose.

You know, if you're the Blackhawks, you were struggling, you didn't have enough NHL talent, you just went, crevier out, Beau Byron, we are now better. Like, they got better by doing this, they're going to pay for it. But, yeah, there's certainly risks involved. Sealing's not high enough on Byron for me. The next question I have around this, and we got some tuck news that's just coming out from Fridge, do the Buffalo Sabres use that pick? Do they select a player or is this part of a bigger plan, do you think?

Listen, um, it's a nice pocket. I think when you're talking about teams that want to go to the next level, like an Ottawa and a Buffalo, you take that and you dangle it. And Buffalo needs a goalie name Hellebuck. Oh, would that be what we're talking about? So UPL and fourth overall, does that make Winnipeg fans happy?

No, it doesn't make them happen. It makes them miserable. Oh. But they don't have. But they're like Ottawa. They may not have much choice. I don't think UPL is bad. I don't mind UPL.

Is he, so you're getting the feeling that he's going full Kachuk here? Connor? Yeah. I get the feeling like it's, yeah, it's time now. Wow. Connor to move on to. David Dwork of, I forget which Florida, he's a Florida reporter. He said that Florida is, despite the Kachuk news, Florida is not out on the Hellebuck yet.

Just give me some idea of what you could give. You can give now Winnipeg to get Connor Hellebuck. So there isn't. I don't see it. There isn't. I don't see it. So look at, just revisit Florida on the no moves. I got to think it's 10 for sure.

I'm looking maybe 12, 13. How many complete no moves? 11. seven the top seven forwards are all complete no moves the top four d are complete no moves who's going to win a peg for connor hellebuck the one without it is lundel right right below the no move so there's londell rodriguez you didn't give you got no pick still 2031 you didn't give ottawa next four years you didn't give ottawa londell you're not giving yeah you're not giving them up for winnipeg either they don't have a sniff i'm not even sure why that name came up we just wasted

yeah no but it's good to know that if if people are talking about it. It would be a neat trick. Yeah. It would be... That's a good way to put it. It would be a matter. Tuck?

I guess that's kind of the breaking news. It just broke. Talk to Washington. Eight times 10.5s his breach. Yeah. $84 million for Alex Tuck. You know, if you're Washington,

you just... Did they just find out Ovi's not coming back? Oh. Do you think that could be connected? They're certainly spending like they need to replace some offense. By the way, Tuck and Kairu both fly. Like Washington has needed a little injection of the speed and offense. So, clearly it was a place that Buffalo never wanted to get to, right?

Yeah. Well, Buffalo just made the playoffs for the first time in a decade and a half. And then they lose two of what you would consider their stars, basically, with Byram and Tuck. You know, that's a heck of a commitment. Kairu and Tuck, right? Yeah. I mean, good players. Yeah.

Really good players. Does it make them contenders? I guess I'm worried about their top guys. Like they don't have top top dudes, right? Dubla is not quite there. Tom Wilson's great, but he's your supplementary great player. Chekron's your top D, which is good. But then it's Fahavari.

Yeah. Probably a way to say that. That's a heck of a lot of money, man, for Tuck. To your point, you just made the point. You just made the point. I know. I know. There's no guys.

You want a guy? I just look at the sticker price. I'm not thinking about anything else except the sticker price. I mean, here in Byron for 12 and tuck for... I know. I'm starting to be like, oh, radish rate and a half. We're all right here. Oh, my God.

Sorry, I can't. Sorry. I just saw... What's his name with the L.A. Lakers just signed a four-year, 184 million? You know, Austin Reeves. It's like you barely know who that guy is. He's making $50 million a year, $40 million a year. It's like, we're going to have to get use in the...

NHL to these numbers are going to be bigger. That's just the way it's going to be. What do we make, Werenski here, guys? We should do Eklund, too. Werenski, I think, is, they said they're going to meet with him after the draft, which I don't understand necessarily, because if you're going to trade him, it should be before. I bet he's going to let them know something like he won't, like, you don't have to trade me,

but I'm not going to resign sort of thing. Like, you know, the way that Matthew Kachukke, even heads up, You make an excellent point. I want to hear that before the draft. Yeah, I'm going to need that information. Right. So I would like to clarify that I am not an insider. But I feel like that's the direction.

These American guys have been pushing things right now that they're all trying to get to these few teams together. I don't know. Wrenski just won the Norris trophy. What's his value? I love him. I do too. Yeah.

There's not too many people that don't. No. He is awesome. He is really turned into the top. God, he gets up to ranking. He rips it. He scores so many times on the Leafs, too. A couple got waved off, but.

And if you'll, I mean, if we'll go back a little bit to the Olympics and three on three makes the key play to set up Jack Hughes for the dagger into everybody in Canada's back. He was the one who passed it over to him. So good play. He can skate. So how about the news out there on Matthew Nyes is more active? I think it's just, I think it's the same.

Me, personally, it's never gone away. And just because Chica mentions that, you know, we'll do anything to kind of make ourselves better. And, you know, it's not probable, but certainly not impossible. I think he's just covering up the fact that he's trying to set a marketplace for him. I guess I just see a handful of teams that are asset rich who immediately want to get better. Chicago is one of them that wants to turn the page. Anaheim is trying to take that next step. San Jose is trying to take that next step.

San Jose is trying to take that next step. You have these sort of like rebuilding franchises that are like, what's the next piece for us? And it feels like there's a marketplace. Would the Rangers give up a fifth? They missed out on Brady-Kichuk. Can I have Laffernier? Yeah, you can.

I'm in. For sure. You can get them. But do you do fifth in Lafranier? I don't know if Trocheque would waive to come to Canada. I don't really need a 33-year-old or whatever he is. 32. Because you need a checking centerman.

Second line seven. He fits for next year, for sure, but I don't think it fits the whole... And the fifth pick overall. Yeah. Like that's what he's looking for. He wants to get into a top 10 scenario where he can draft maybe a stud defenseman and McKenna. Yeah. Is there any world, and I just got to ask this because I'm the Lee fan here and I got to do my duty for my Lee fan friends,

where there's anything around Werenski and Nyes? that you could get Werencki here 4'9 plus part of a package the Colorado yeah because I think there's a lot of people out there now with kind of connecting Matthews and Werencki think they're buds same agent

I don't know I'm just kind of throwing that out there but is there anything around for me I think it would be nuts for Werenst to get traded to Toronto and not know for sure that you want to be here for

the next five or ten years. Okay. And the Leafs are like Edmonton. We will look at them the exact same way where we don't know where you're going to be a year from now. We don't know if you're a playoff team, a team on the outside looking in or chance to win the Stanley Cup. We don't know. And it's fork in the road for the Leafs this season as it is in Edmonton.

for Werensky to come here and then a year later watch perhaps. He's in the same timeline as Matthew. Yeah, they are. They're on the same timeline. So if you want to come up here and take a chance on, hey, I'll dip my toe in the water, see how it is in a year and I'll let you know. But like, you're going to give up nyes for the thought that Werenski could leave in a year? Well, you know, you also, if you had to flip them, you know, it's like, don't play that game. And it's risky. Don't play that game.

If you're asking me if I would give up a in Orenski trade, the answer is yes. Yeah, the answer is absolutely. But not for, not for two years and then walk them out, out the door for free. You wouldn't do that, Sam, right? And that's, they're, they can walk for nothing. Wrenski, Matthews, Connor McDavid, we saw Brady Kachuk. They're, they're all in the same boat.

But guys aren't now. Like, you know, Marner was the rare exception. Pretty much everyone is like, hey, here's where I'm at. I'm going to want out, just in fairness to you. You know, that seems to be the move now is the Matthew Kachukh model. Let him know. I just think that, like, if you really want to get, like, you're talking about with Bo Byram how, like, those guys are hard to find.

Zach Rorensky is hard to find. Yeah. If there's any... As long as... Oh, what's going on over there? Oh, no. Giff's text tone is wild. What is that?

That's Al Pacino. Oh, my God. swear? Like, what is going? I don't think I have the F-bomb on there. There was a time where your phone didn't work. So I will take the occasional, the occasional. Well, it's a fun time of the year to put your ringer back on. Yeah, no kidding.

I'm missing the polls right now. It's hard to find good defensemen. It is. A team just trained the fourth overall pick for, I know. I'm just saying, Bo's going to Chicago saying, you got me for like eight years. Guess what? What if they love it here and they both sign? Okay, find that.

Find that out first and then trade for him. Don't ask him after you've made the trade. Ask him before you make the trade. And if you get your answer. What's going to happen in Chicago if someone plays ahead of Bo Byron? Is he going to ask out again? Is he have to be the number one guy or he's going to want to leave? He won't care.

Once he makes 12 sheets. Won't care. I just find it's a very similar situation to me to Quinn Hughes, where if they're going to trade one of these guys, you're going to have to give up a ton. Matthew Nyes is probably the equivalent of whatever a couple of those guys they traded. They didn't know for sure if he was going to stay.

They took a swing. If there's a chance to take a swing and get Zacharensky and blue and white, I'm doing it. Sorry. I like your... Nyes or Easton Cowan. If a team goes, I'll let you choose. Oh, that's a tough question. Boy, I like what you've done there.

That's a great. Man, you should be a general manager. I probably would put... I'm probably going to send Nyes. Yeah. I just think Cowan has won at every level and he's a dog. Okay. You know, I like, I believe.

It's a tough, like, it's just the exact same in a vacuum. Like, it's whatever the package is, it's either nyes or cowen. I mean, you might feel like an idiot for saying, for nyes instead of cowan, but I kind of feel the same way as boring. Anyways. Ottawa? Should we talk about Ottawa? Yeah. Ottawa trades.

It didn't take them long to flip the ninth. I'll take a quick pat on the back for, they were going to get a body. Eklund, how do you feel about it? exactly what I kind of thought. Yeah. You got a talented guy, right? At least you got a 23-year-old, you know? Right.

The goal, if you're watching on YouTube or sports, the goal he showed is maybe the greatest goal ever scored. And, like, it just, that's nice with an oath. Have you seen his dad try to recreate it on Instagram? I have not. I've lost a lot here with that story. Right now, I'd say on a contending team, he's top nine for me. Eklin.

Yeah, top nine. And he's... He's a 19 goals and 53 points at age 23 last year on a non-playoff team. That's okay. A little bit bigger role. He's a 65 point, 25 goal guy. 50 point guy. That his hope can be 70 maybe.

Yeah, okay. Celebrity play for Ottawa? I think he's just nowhere near as impactful as what you got rid of. Totally. Like I said, you don't go and get another $10 million superstar. You're going to kind of piecemeal this thing together with, three of these type of guys. And that return now, all of a sudden it's Eklund, two other first rounders, a second.

Like, it starts to look a little bit more. I'm kind of surprised that you went from Brady Kachuk to a guy that's 510 that I don't envision helping me. I don't envision him being an impactful player to beat Florida out in a best of seven. Do you want to hear something you're going to hate? Great underlying. line numbers. Right.

Listen, can he... Drives the point. Can he... Can he... You know, can he be Eilers? Hey, that's a really generous, high-end review of what you're hoping you got. Maybe.

I'm curious about... Yesper Brat. Is he Toyvenin? Is he that type of... Right? I don't know. I don't think sense fans want to hear that Toiven. No.

I'm just saying. Highly skilled guys? Tolvinen? Toyvenin? Tolvinen? I don't know. You say it. I'm done.

All right. Grinch. You know what I'm saying. I do know what you're saying. So, you know, you'll help you make the playoffs, I think. I think if you're Ottawa, you might have to build your team a la Carolina. If superstars aren't going to be a part of the equation, you're going to have to trade that other 27th you got and these other picks and try to be good all through the lineup. It's fascinating.

But like if you're San Jose, now you've got the ninth overall pick. Yeah. Is that, like, why did you trade Eklund? You know, you're in this rebuild. He's worked well with, they don't believe. They don't believe.

They don't believe that, you know, he's going to be healers. I think that they are cooking up something bigger and needed another top 10 pick. Like, I think San Jose's got something else coming. They have two. Nine now? Like can they turn Eklund into the ninth and turn that into Matthew Nyes with something else?

No, they're not. Oh, sorry, my bad. I was thinking since. I don't understand what you're saying. Yeah. What are you getting? What does San Jose have? The ninth and, I don't know, 27th.

I don't know, a bunch of picks. Second. I don't want picks. What player are you getting back if you were giving up nice to San Jose? I'm saying San Jose is something else in the hopper. Smith? What else are they cooking up there? Yeah.

I don't think they're just going to draft ninth overall, are they? No. No. They'll draft second overall. Oh, geez, they got two tough. Yeah, yeah. And the blues now have four first-on picks. It's crazy.

I like McMichael. Yeah. Like, I'm not 100% sure that McMichael's much worse than Cairo. I think he's, they had him at center, but he can play wing too. And he's feisty. and him and kairu had identical stats last year same points really yeah i i was so the thing that i kind of jumped out to me when i was seeing all this stuff tricklin the kairu one the byram one you kind of understand what chica's thinking like the people are like you are saying are willing to pay top dollar like i

can't imagine the deals that have been probably sent to him in terms of being tantalizing like i'm sure some of the stuff that's come across his desk in the last 48 hours is why the rumors are starting to trickle. Would you not, though, guys, worry about pissing off Matthew Nyes here? Like, I just signed a discount deal. You guys, I've been in the organization for years. And all I hear is my name in the news. Like, no threat of that? You know, I can't. I can't, I can't sit here and tell you over the years that I wasn't a big fan of Kyle Dubus with the warm blanket over everybody. So I'm okay with it.

Yeah. I'm okay. Hey, Matthew. You might get traded by you. Here's the, yeah, like, you did the warm blanket and love and tenderness for these guys for 10 years. Grab shanny on that too. Shanahan was just as guilty of that as.

And you got kicked in the teeth. Yeah. So I'm okay with it. Hey, Matthew, you're a good player. I got to tell you, I'm not mad at your point there either because it's kind of vagusy, where it's like, yeah, we just want good players. Just be good and we'll be fine. Yeah, it kind of sucks, eh?

Yeah. So, like, instead of playing one great game out of four, let's bring it down about two and a half. Mm-hmm. Right? And, I mean, with the new player empowerment era, I think it's fine to have some. Yeah. Yeah, if you guys want to. They do have all the power and the good players are getting the money. They're getting everything now.

Like, it's okay. It's called professional sports and being traded and relocated is part of the business. And you're just going to have to put on your big boy pants. I feel like I've been the one wearing these pants the whole time. Can I ask you a question? How did he not get a no move closet? He's a cool dude. Because you can't get one until you're eligible on your contract, which roughly is 26, 27 years of age.

Really? That's the way it's always been. I don't know if it changed in the last few years, but... That doesn't feel right. No, no, it's the first year that you're eligible for UFA.S.A. Okay. Oh, okay. I don't know.

Somebody verified that for me, but that's the way I've always had it. Well, it's just because you look at the names of guys that ever, it feels like every single person, every single good player gets... Remember Marner? When, uh, when Tree Living came in, he had a small window before Marner's no move kicked in. The two weeks that he got there. There was the window. Two weeks, two or three weeks.

Yeah. And then it kicked in. It kicked in because that's the year you're eligible. Isn't it crazy that all this is going on? And you're not hearing anything from Boston, from the New York Rangers or Islanders. Like, there's a lot of quiet teams who need work. The Voice of God, aka Jake, said you had 27 years of age or seven years in the NHL

to get a no-move class. There you go. I can't ever recall. the New York Rangers not being on any big name. Yeah. Right? Like that's the way it was in my era.

Once there was a free agent, once there was a guy that's going to get traded, it was like, Rangers. Rangers are in. Rangers are in. Rangers have two first rounders. Now Rangers, they're bypassing Rangers.

Like Brady Cichuk. Panthers are not the Rangers. Never took the Rangers being interested in him. He never took it seriously. That's, to me, that's damning for the organization. Or the league. Or the league. Or the league.

Or like you've devalued your greatest products by incentivizing teams where people don't care as much. A tremendous amount of pressure on Christori up against the Knicks. Look at this Rangers team up front. Pop earners in order. Zabana Jed, Miller, Lafranier, Troche, Cooley. Just stop right there. That's their top five names. Their top two centermen, if I'm not mistaken.

are 35 and 34 years of age? Yeah, currently both 33, about to be 34. Okay, 34. Yeah, that's an issue. Mm-hmm. And Trocheck, obviously, no spring chicken either. Feels like they're in for a long build here. They've got to start drafting and just kind of turn it in.

Well, they might, yeah. They wanted Bill Byron. Not bad enough. Yeah. I guess they saw what Chicago did and went, well, at some point, we've got to be reasonable. If Adam Fox at 28 is going to just hang around and make a 9-5, will they lose there, you think? I think he's in a position where he's going to watch very carefully, too. Let's do game time.

It's game. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Fox and fifth overall, nice. Would you do it? No. Adam Fox, fifth overall? No, first of all, you're doubling down on something you just paid radish to do. Okay.

You're like, there's only, there's only room for one go-to guy on a power play for. for a minute and a half. And you're not bringing in Fox and then having radish. Now you've got Burns and Carlson and San Jose. No, it's not happening. It might consider it.

It's game time. Presented by Bet365, an official partner of the NHL, most 19 plus. Ontario only, please play responsibly. Just looking at some futures here for the NHL.

They have the Atlantic Division odds here. The favorites. Who do you think the favorite is? Atlantic Division faves OB Florida. It is. Oh, I love it. Plus 190 to win the division. Lightning 3 to 1. I find this fascinating.

Ottawa is still ahead of Montreal at plus 650. Montreal 7 to 1, savers 8 to 1. And with the third worst odds in the division, your Toronto Maple Leafs at 10 to 1, Detroit at 28 to 1 in Austin, 30 to 1. What basis would you have to have Ottawa ahead of Montreal? Montreal finished seven points ahead of them this year. Confused by that.

Didn't lose one of their stars and their captain. Confused. Confused. And I actually think Montreal is going to do stuff. Oh, they're going to do stuff because they have the most to, they have the most bullets. I got a lot of ammunition to go out there and make something happen. And looking at all their picks. Looking at the pillow fight division, the Pacific where the team from there went to the final,

went to six games. The Vegas Golden Knights are favorites to win that division at plus one nine. Edmonton right behind them at plus 200. L.A. 7 to 1, sorry, ducks plus 475. The sharks 10 to 1 crack in 40 to 1 flames, 50 to 1. And the Vancouver Canucks, sorry if you're listening on 650, are 100 to 1 to win the Pacific Division next year. I got to tell you, 100 to 1.

Any team in that crap division, I might place a bet. You never know. Philip Peronik, they're going to name them the captain. They don't want to trade them, eh? Interesting. Let's do that on the other side of the break. That was game time. by Bet365, an official partner

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Drive like you mean it. Yeah, there's no score. And we're not supposed to do that ton of soccer stuff, but like the diving voice. I love this sport. I love the sport. I do. ever play? I did. I played until I was like

15. I mean, like one year at age 8. What position were you? I was either up front or I play goalie sometimes. Did you? Oh, you're a big lanky guy. Yeah. I was either shooting it in or salton. I was a fullback. Oh, you might, the butcher. Territian hatcher

of soccer. Terrorized guys. Pray for boys of the band. Competitively? Oh, yeah, competitively. I had my cousin George on the left side. My buddy Elvis Mandela on the right side. what's up. Elvis actually taught me

off of a corner kick had a time it. You're having a guy as you jump. Time it perfectly to elbow a guy in the ribs. I was close. On a corner kick. Oh yeah.

And then you're like, what happened? Yeah. Oh, please. We just went up. It's great sport. It's a, it can be vicious. But they just got to stop. Morgan Riley submits a

four-team trade list. Thoughts. Four teams. What are the four teams? guesses, theories? I mean, I can do guesses, but Kip has more information. No, I don't. Other than at least it's progressed where probably should have been taken care of a while ago,

but it's fine that whether it's San Jose, I don't believe that there's any reason why he shouldn't want to go to a place like Edmonton and maybe rejuvenate his career with. Babs loves him. Babs always like that. Babs had him before, DJ Smith. Wow. and get a chance to play with Connor McDavid still. But the important thing is it's just time to move on.

And I don't know what. Like can the Leafs hold on to a million, a million and a half and still get a fifth round pick or sixth round pick? Oh my God. Really? Yeah, I don't like retaining and getting a crap asset. I don't. What do you think is out there for Morgan Riley?

I mean, obviously not. from the sounds of things, but I don't get a sense, I don't get a sense that there's a strong market out there for him. Well, would that be what you'd be, is that what Edmonton's looking at for a nurse too? Does nurse have more or less value? Yeah, that's a good question. I probably think that everybody would be scared of the 9.25, so you're going to have to work around that.

But Darnel's tough. He's tough, and he plays hard and fights. There's just a little bit more, a little bit more meat on the bone. two and a half million more too. I know. But that's the challenge with him and Dougie Hamilton as well. It's like, how much salary can you take on? Be curious to know what Morgan is willing to do or to be.

Like, is he willing to be a 17 minute a night guy? Like, I'm just saying retaining doesn't seem great to me. Because what's he got left? How many years? Well, especially with the amount of the caps going up, like seven and a half seems so much less than it used to me. I don't know. I guess if you're training.

Retaining and getting a... It feels like if you retain, you should get something better than a fifth. I'm surprised by that. What do you have last year? 40 points? The teams... Or running a power play?

What do you think? San Jose. Vancouver's his home? Vancouver. British Columbia is his home. I thought about that. Seattle? Seattle's interesting.

Those four? Okay, first of all. Anahe. You spent 10 years building up towards contending for a Stanley Cup. He's not. not just going to wave to go to Seattle who have no shot in for the next three years. So Vancouver's out too then. Yeah.

Well, that's my, I have a different tone, because it is home. And you do need good pros, which would bring us to Roneck now staying. And he's, he's the man there, right? He is, without a doubt, the guy that has the voice, has the respective teammates, management. But that's what makes him such a valuable asset. I know, but you need something. You do need players.

You're still selling tickets and you still have impressionable players, young guys in the organization that you need good pros around. Listen, it's part of what the Marleys have done the American Hockey League where you put good pros around your young guys and hopes of them playing in important games and big moments.

And then you win a cup. You got to have some players, though. But you paid for it too, right? You're like three or four times your salary cap more than Chicago. Great. So you paid for it. Yeah.

You're paying for the development. There's no harm. It's smart. But yeah, I mean, for Vancouver, I get, you got to keep some guys, but Heronic is, I know that's a big talk in Vancouver right now. Like, why not move this guy if you're not contending anytime soon? There's still plenty of time for that later, too. Once you got left on that deal.

Heronik has, oh, yeah, tons of time. Oh, my God. He makes 7.2 until 20303. You don't have to race to anything with him. Yeah. Yeah. Is he signed last year? Talk to me.

That's a trade deadline when teams are clamoring for one player who they think can get them to the next level or win them a Stanley Cup. What about Patterson there? God, I can't. I don't think it's, I don't think it'll ever be saved there. He's got to go. He does, but he's expensive. And he doesn't have the best reputation for being. a guy that works out or, you know.

Works out. Well, there's conditioning issues there. Really? Yeah. I think it's tough right after you get the contract, I think is tough. That's my Vladigarro Jr. theory, by the way. As soon as you get the big bucks, I think I see a lot of players have there, take a step back and then kind of find it again.

Okay, he's had a couple stepbacks now. It's time to find something better than 45 points or whatever. I will say A lot of Lee fans have kind of convinced himself that it might be a good idea to get him here. I've thought about it. I've thought about could, you know,

if he is a 65, 70 point guy, you like it. I've been on this path of police, enough of the soft skill players. You had four of them for 10 years. Still got two of them. And you still have two of them. You just need skill.

Right? You have to have skill as a base. Please, one guy with a mean streak, one guy that'll carve your eyes out if he has to. I do agree. So that's a no. But you need someone. It's a hard no for me. Okay.

Yeah, I'm kind of a no to. Okay. You do need one of those guys you're talking about that also does hockey. Like, you know, Ryan Reeves is not the solution here. No. You know, you... Like I said, you pay a premium for... You mentioned Larkin.

You mentioned Larkin before we went to break. Do you have anything new on that? Not necessarily, except, again, you got to shop more. more teams. Somebody's got to come and play here more than just three teams. So I believe he's up to four. I don't know if he's gone to five or not. But it'll be interesting now to watch Jason Robertson here in Dallas

and whether or not it gets too rich for their blood. And then they have to pivot. And I think that they could pivot with Dylan Larkin. Oh. I actually think that's a really nice pairing you've made there. Because for Detroit, the age fits, you actually get a better offensive player. And for Dallas, you're trying to win. You get a competitive guy who could play in the playoffs.

Like Larkin, I know we don't know. Well, we saw him in the Olympics. He was pretty good. Yeah, until he got ran through the end boards and then was not shown again. Right. But I think Larkin's a good fit for Dallas. Who got him? Behind the net?

It was Tom Wilson. Tom Wilson, yeah. And then he just didn't touch the puck for the rest of the game. Or would I? I'm like, I'm good, I think. God, how'd we lose? Who has to add to that? You won for one, Larkin for Robertson?

It's a fascinating one. Pretty good trade. It's a fascinating one. Texas. NHL could expand as soon as 2028, which, by the way, is just a couple of seasons away. Yeah. To either Houston or Austin.

Austin, one of the fastest growing cities. Lots of money here. It's like 2.6, 2.7 million. You've been there? Tech. I haven't, no. It's really cool. Yeah.

It's a cool city. Yeah. Really, really cool city. And not like you're, I wouldn't say like your traditional Texas type of spot, but it has the Portland of the South. They're really, for sure. They're looking for arrival for Dallas. And so Houston checks that.

Can we look for arrival for the Montreal Canadians? Or like the Toronto Maple Leafs or no. But Houston's like a top. The top 10 city by size in the U.S. It's huge. I don't know. But there would be nothing better than a second team here in Toronto. It would be my dream.

We know that. I hope whenever Gary is that your last year, you're the next commissioners. You're like, obviously. Do you hate the second team? Exactly. No, would you jump ship? Are you nuts?

There would be no team I would hate more. That would be my number one hated team. You want an immediate. It's just. Hatred team. Like with all this talk. All green saint paths. I don't know.

This is, again, Canada sour grapes for my Canada jersey. But, like, another team we're going to add to a place where there's advantages on the cap and advantages no state tax. We're another team where all these American guys are like, I can go play pressure-free hockey and go there and make more than the other guys do because I'm tax less. Texas is cool, man. Can we just add one where, like, people like hockey? Like, does it have to be Houston?

Yeah. I don't, I don't, we've grown the game. The game is grown. Like, there is grown. It's an adult now. adult game. Everybody, Vegas loves it, Florida loves it. They all love it. Give us one. Let us have one. Why do they get another one? If you're asking me, you could have one. Why do they get another one? Hey, hey, listen. It drives me crazy. You know who can control a lot of that decision making? The people on the 10th floor.

Good. Take the elevator up after the show. Well, my phone all of a sudden doesn't work. All they have to do is support it and green light it. Good. Do it. That's not all they have to do. do. Oh, they'd be the main reason why the league won't put a second team in Toronto. Isn't there that you'd have to pay like some sort of like relocate some fee to the yeah, no problem. Someone come in and say here's $2 billion to the Leafs so we can be in their market. Three billion. Here's a check for $3 billion.

And then $2 billion to the league for letting us in. And here's your five bill. And let's go. Oh my God. Please just do it. I got just. I know a group that would do that. The Houston.

Is that right? Is it Nick Kipriose Corp? I'll be. Yeah. Second team. I got 20 bucks. There'd be a lot of interest. Of course there would. It's like, oh, there's no, all the money, got no money here.

It's like, oh, there's no billionaire here that would love to have a team involved. And it would jump into like top five revenue generated team. Of course it would. Because, you know why? People kind of like it here. It's the most underserved hockey market, I'm told. I just, I don't understand. Sorry to get so better in a shape of it.

Yeah, you should be. That was excessive. Drives me nuts again. How about a second team in sunrise? Some more Florida teams. California. How about Jacksonville? You got anything in California?

It's coming Kansas City, baby. San Diego. We're hearing maybe a third for tuck. It might be a third going back to. Which again, like, yeah, a third, better than a fifth that Tampa. Yeah. Right? It is weird.

Yeah, like a third. Third. Sure. Third's okay. second, third. Here's your third. We'll take Alex duck.

So what is on the horizon? What is left out there to discuss in terms of players who could potentially move? Yeah, well, the thought of Bobroski and Toronto won't cool down. Okay.

And they've got the room. I would think that if Bobroski cannot get a five or six year deal, I would think that the Leafs would have to go at least four years on a contract for Bovrosky to get him up here. What number? Again, they've got cap space,

so Sammy, I would think that the number would probably be around seven or eight. This feels so Marchandy to me that like the eight. It was Marchand. No, but like the eight or whoever is putting out this like, oh, Leafs are really interested in them. Leifes are really interested. Try to drive it up for Florida? Oh, they're interested.

And then at the last second, he's like, I'll sign forever in Florida. Meanwhile, Florida's like, yeah, we might just get Connor Hellebuck. Yeah, we're just going to get Hellebuck. Yeah, we just, I feel some smoke screens going on here. I don't necessarily believe it. They, should I believe it?

I think if you're contending as the Leafs want to, you just, you got to go get a goalie, though. So what are you to do with the three you have? You still have Actimov, Hill, DeBe, and Stolars? You can trade one of those guys now? Or just have an American League, good boy guy person? I don't know what you can count on from Stolar.

His body is failing him. Like he's got... You don't... How about this? He's got issues with his body. I don't know if you can count on 30 games from him. What percentage chance do you give of him playing out his four-year contract in the NFL? Oh, zero.

Whoa. Yeah, zero. You don't think he makes it through the next four years. Buddy, I'm hoping he can make it through next year. Yeah. That would change the... math. I don't know what the numbers are on how many surgeries he's had and bone on bone is not a good

thing in the NHL. Pebbles and bone on bone. He's got loose bodies in his. I mean, he should take tree out the dinner for that contract boy. Yeah. Minnesota. Last thing. Okay.

A name I saw a couple times with goalie Bennington. I think he's in a, they're in a perfect position to move him. Yeah, to Toronto. Or Florida. Okay. He's another one that could be in play. Hill, I think Hill's a decent goalie who had a bad season. You do, eh?

Yeah. And I like his bad season at his age a lot more than I like Barovsky's bad year at his age. And also I don't mind six million compared to having to give Bob more. 6.25, I think. Yeah, that sounds right. So. You're waiting on some teams to make some moves.

Mason McTavish is a name that's been out there, paired to Ottawa at time. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I want to go back to Anaheim, and I want to talk to Joel Quenville and go, what's wrong with that guy in your eyes? Please tell me before I trade for him.

Well, I kind of feel like there's a few guys. Like, you can get that Zellwiger out of there. He'd be available. And he's an interesting, I would have liked him for the Leafs pre-Emil André. But I even probably post. He's a good offensive guy. There's not Mintikov they've talked about. God, they're going to lose Truba.

They're going to lose Carlson. Ottawa is going to be, or sorry, Anaheim's going to be a need of some bodies. They have assets. Again, there's action. There's going to be some teams disappointed next April on a step back, right? Made the playoffs and then you might find yourself out of the playoffs. Buffalo, think about it.

Oh, Byram and Tuck, gone. Yeah. They're in a rat race right now to make the playoffs. Again, as is on the Atlantic's getting better. Until they trade for Helibon. And then they're, that would help. Kind of the... We shall wait and see.

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