Real Kyper & Bourne - Sens and Canucks Notes with Jason York & Landon Ferraro

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined by Coming in Hot Sens Podcast host Jason York (6:14) to chat about the importance of Ottawa's win over the Maple Leafs, whether they've solidified their blue line, Linus Ullmark's performance in net, Brady Tkachuk's and Tim Stützle's maturity in the locker room and on the ice and if the team can sneak into the playoff picture. Then, Nick and Justin welcome in former NHLer and Sportsnet's hockey analyst Landon Ferraro (30:47) to discuss Elias Pettersson finding his groove on offence, Jonathan Lekkerimäki's NHL debut, what the Vancouver Canucks could look to improve on their roster and if Quinn Hughes can win the Hart Trophy.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

all right let's take a national on the real kipper and board show we are live on sports at 650 in vancouver and sports net 960 in calgary this hour real kipper and born brought to you by bet 365 nick kiprios just Bourne back off of assignment yesterday. And our thanks to Gord Stelic, who did an okay job filling in for you. I heard he was wonderful. He was wonderful. He's the man. I heard Spencer Carver was really good, too.

He was good, too. He was good. Sammy McKee's good, too. Derek Brandeo. Jake the Snake Schultz. It's a good hour. Good. Coming up.

I'm ready to reclaim the throne here and discuss all things i don't know that seemed a little dramatic jason your co-host of coming in hot the sense podcast will join us in a few minutes they're coming off a very convincing win over sammy's toronto maple leaves now that the fans are gone, we can really heap praise on the Sens. Because that was some showing. You okay with that, Sammy? Yeah. I would also like to, before we get to Yorkie,

I don't know if he's there yet or not, but I'd like to heap some praise on Connor McDavid. Oh, God. I saw people calling it a perfect hockey game. He played perfectly. I was going back and forth between Canucks And Flames in that game And I watched The overtime

Of Oilers And Islanders Who's Who's the defenseman Caught out there Pollock

Sucking wind Like no I fell for the guy Wasn't a fair fight And then they get the And then they do the right thing They bring the puck out to the blue With possession With a line change And they send get the, and then they do the right thing. They bring the puck out to the blue with possession.

With a line change. And they send the thoroughbreds over the boards. The moment they went over, you're like. It's over. Throw the towel in. That's where Patrick Watt needed to actually throw the towel in on the ice. You know what I like, though, is they didn't pull the puck all the way back to their own blue. They just brought it out a little bit just to get those two guys on the ice all the islanders on the

ice just be like oh god and connor watching a tornado coming for your house connor makes a awesome basic pass but the play dry side all on a goal he was outstanding sorokin stood on his head and i got he was and he just makes him look stupid just bar down right over his shoulder how stupid he made him look he had he just like within one second there's just a little bit of room and he found and he finds it it's like you get dared by goalies like i don't think you're gonna hit this spot and he goes yeah try me the islanders getting a point out of that game was not justice for what should have happened. That's pretty impressive. Yeah, Skinner, you know, the two-on-one goal. I didn't love Skinner's slow post-to-postness.

So quickly, McDavid on the brink of 1,000 points after four points last night. When McDavid hits his 1,000th point, he will become the 99th player in NHL history to achieve that feat. He is set to become the fourth fastest behind only Waynene gretzky maryland you and mike bossy pretty good pretty good company there boys you were at the hall of fame on monday yeah if his career ended today is he in the hall of fame no more games yes 650 you even need to ask yes hard yes hard yes you need to ask yeah oh he's got three heart trophies four lindsey's five art ross's it's not even a contest cup final uh who's fifth sammy i only have four

i think lindros is up there yeah no i don't know if he hit a thousand no he was uh uh top five for 500 points i think and mcdavid almost had five points you know i i thought he was top five for 500 points, I think. And McDavid almost had five points. I thought he was going to get five last night. Ended with a piddly little four, but he's back in full effect. Oh, here you go. He's ahead of Peter Stastny, Yari Curry, Guy Lafleur, Brian Troche, Dennis Savard, Steve Eisenman, Marcel Dion, Phil Esposito,

Sidney Croth, Jarme Jager, Paul Coffey, among other members of the Hockey Hall of Fame. He's unbelievable. He's a pretty special man. It's a nice list. And I will call it right now on November 11th. Oh, sorry, November 13th, 2024. He will be the second all-time in points in the history of the league.

Yeah, I think that's fair. He'll be the second guy evertime in points in the history of the league. Yeah, I think that's fair. He'll be the second guy ever to get to 2,000. So the thing that killed me looking at the ages of the guys who got to 1,000 points, like the youngest guys, it's like McDavid's fourth, you said, at 27 and change. Guy's 27 and a bit, 26. Gretzky's 23. 23 in like 300 days.

He had 1,000 points at 23 years old. 23. How? How did that happen? Was he playing when he was 14? Like, how does that happen? Yeah, I have no idea. It's a lot of 200-point seasons.

It's crazy. So DA and I worked together last night, and he said, like, if he plays in the game today, he's still the best player in the game. This is DA talking. He says he's still the best player in the NHL with all the right the training the gear and all that but how much better would he be than mcdavid today you know is he 175 point player you know how does it okay okay but impossible no no it's an impossible conversation It's impossible because it's not apples to apples. Like, Wayne had Yari.

He had Glenn Anderson. He had Paul Coffey. He had a salary cap. He had five Hall of Famers with him. Yeah. You know, is Zach Hyman a Hall of Famer? No. Is?

Obviously, Leon. Leon is. Nuge, a Hall of Famer. So, maybe the better thing is if Connor was playing then with all those guys. 200. Is the point these guys are hockey equals? 225. 225.

Connor back in the 80s. I would like to see. More than Grits. I would like to put right now Connor back in the 80s. No changes. Current. Current. He might get 300 points.

All right. As promised, let's go and get Jason York. Does a great job coming on our show, breaking down things around the Ottawa Senators. Of course, he's got a great show called Coming in Hot with the Sens, and that's certainly the case. Last night, what did you do to our boy Sammy last night, Yorkie? So we're just having a conversation. If Tim Stutzel played with the Oilers in the 80s,

how would he end up with 225 points? Is he that good now? He looked pretty good to me last night yeah he's pretty good kipper i love all all the guys in this era are really really good players but let's just back the truck up here for a sec if you had to go back and play in the 80s let's not forget you're gonna have to take a million slashes, a thousand crosschecks. There's tons of fighting. There's guys that are out there that want to kill it. Kipper, you know.

And you have to smoke cigarettes, too. You've got to smoke cigarettes. You've got to drink beer. You've got to go to the Rippers. I was going to say. I think it's really unfair when we compare eras. But listen, to play in that era, man, there was a lot of fear and a lot of intimidation, which doesn't exist anymore.

So not as easy as people think to take a guy and put him back in there and play because it was, Kipper knows, it was a really, really mean league back then. Vicious. Vicious. So let me ask you, Yorkie, the Ottawa Senators went into Toronto last night and if it wasn't for a pretty good goaltender for the Leafs, I think it could have been six or seven, nothing. And just wondering, how long have Ottawa fans waited

to see a complete game like that last night? So there, I agree. I thought Stolars was great. He's been pretty good for the Leafs, hasn't he? Sure has. That was a sneaky good pickup, wasn't it? They were really good against Boston, but until these last couple games,

it's been not inconsistent, but people are waiting for this team to kind of string together two, three. And it's still like I listened to Travis Green talk after the game. He's like, okay, yeah, we were good. We were good two games in a row. But the key is they got to keep doing it. And are they better? For sure. But you got you gotta you know how this league works fellows you got to do it consistently time in and time again and we'll see i i think there's still a work in progress but it's a great

sign it's a great sign toronto's got a great team boston's got a great team um but uh let's just see if this team can consistently keep bringing out efforts and And it was a good one, but they've got to keep doing it. Going into that game with Norris, Dutzler, and Pinto in the lineup at the same time, this team plays to a 106-point pace. I imagine that's gone up a little bit since. You know, is this the solution to their problems, just having the three centers down the gut that they kind of imagined themselves as having?

Pinto really helps a lot. He's that right shot center, Barney. And when he's not in the lineup, I think it's a big hole because he's a really smart two-way player. Norris is an offensive guy. Stutzel is an offensive guy. Pinto is more of that guy that's going to play,

not that he's Patrice Berger or anything, but that's the type of game he needs to play. And I think that's just an important guy. And when he's out, they really miss him. But they got a couple other guys that I think have been really nice additions to kind of make them a deeper team. Michael Amadio is, man, I didn't know how good this guy was. He got off to a slow start, fellas, but he's sneaky, sneaky smart.

And Noah Greger, he's out of the lot, guys. He's fast. He disrupts. Those two guys have been really, really good on the bottom part of the line. I mean, that's been pretty good, too. So I find their bottom depth has really helped bring some consistency throughout that entire lineup. The other thing that stood out for me last night, Yorkie,

was the blue line and pace of play and what jake sanderson is kind of leaning towards as he continues to get comfortable being the guy um how did this blue line kind of shape up with uh the the decision to move Jacob Chikrin and where these six guys last night have settled in. Yeah, so do you know who has been really good for these guys is Nick Jensen. Because for the last, whatever, four or five years, Thomas Chabot has been getting roasted by the fan base because he's been kind of the whipping boy.

All of a sudden, Sanderson's been great. Like, let's start with Sanderson. He's been really, really good. I know, know borny you're a big fan of his analytic analytically his defensive his defensive stats are unbelievable and you want the eye test is good too but i find since jensen's come to town it's given thomas shabbat a guy he can play with a guy who can depend on he's just he goes about his business he's a good pro we've all played with guys like that. But that move, it was good for Washington. They got an offensive guy in Chikrin, but Ottawa didn't need any more guys like that.

They had, like, how many left-shot power play guys do you need? They had Chikrin. They had Shabbat. They had Sanderson. They had little Brantstrom there. They needed a defensive defenseman that somebody can, you know, a stabilizer. And Jensen's just kind of really rounded out that top four.

So now you've got Zub with Sanderson and you've got Jensen with Shabbat. So now you actually have a really solid top four. So that obviously helps out Linus Ulmark, who, you know, looked pretty good last night. How would you assess his play of late? I guess on the season as a whole, but more importantly of late. He's been really good morning. I don't know if you guys caught any of the Boston game.

So Ottawa shut out Boston. They didn't have a shot on goal in the entire third period, which is crazy playing in Boston. I thought that was one of their best periods. And then in overtime, he had to make a save that it was one of those two-on-ones. It was a great save, and Ottawa went right back and scored the other way. I really feel that that save could have turned their fortunes around for what's going to happen because they won that game,

carried over into Toronto. Before that, Omar, it's not that he was struggling. I just think he didn't get in that groove. He missed a lot of time. He was hurt. people were kind of starting to question him and he said some comments after practice, I don't know if you guys caught it though one day, somebody asked him where they

thought his game was at and I liked what he said, he's like you know I don't know right now and then people got really what, you don't know, you're the goalie if you don't know, who knows and I think he was just screwing around with the fan base because the very next day was Boston. He went and he played great.

So I like this guy. I like him because to me, he's a guy that's not afraid of pressure. And his last couple games, I think people are starting to see what he really truly is as a goalie. He's, to me, he's one of the top goalies in the league. A word you probably use more with skaters, but in this case, I'll use it with Allmark. I find him a talented goaltender.

Yeah. Like, I think being a goalie comes easy to him, and at times, I think his challenge might be more between the ears than anything else. I think it's fair to say that, Kipper. I haven't seen him enough to make a total judgment on what I think he is between the ears. I'll say this. I think it takes, I don't know about you guys,

but I think it takes a certain personality to play in a tough Canadian market or a tough NHL market. And you guys have seen it in Toronto. Goalies have come and gone. They've been good other places. They come to Toronto and they can't handle the pressure. Ottawa's the same thing. It's not Toronto, but it's still a Canadian market.

I think he's got that personality to play in one of these markets where the noise isn't going to bother him because he's just, he's kind of one of those guys. It's just, I don't know what the right word is. Not that he's goofy. He's just, he's comfortable in his own those guys. It's just, I don't know what the right word is. Not that he's goofy. He's just, he's comfortable in his own skin. He's played in Buffalo, tough market. He's played in Boston, tough market.

So to come to Canadian market, no big deal. He's like, he's used to this. So at the top of the lineup, the offense is going to come from, you know, Kachuk and Stutzla for sure. Are you seeing steps from those guys? Like Stutzla, I know, had been playing a little bit more physical earlier in the season.

Not sure if that's kept up. And then the Brady-Kachuk thing was, is he going to fight less this year and focus on the hockey side of it? So where do you have the games of probably their two most offensive players? Yeah, so I thought Brady was good, but I found his best game of the year. Not that he was bad. I just thought he took it to another level in that Boston game. Like he threw, I think he had 12 shots on net in that game.

He was super physical, had the overtime winner. I just thought a lot of people were starting to wonder. The Senators had just went one game below.500. If they lose that game against Boston, you guys know how it starts in the Canadian market. People start talking. We press on the panic button. I thought he showed a lot in that game and really stepped up. So his leadership's been great.

And Stutzler, to me, just looks like a more mature player this year. He's making way better decisions with the puck. He's deciding to use his skill at the right time. And he is, to your point, he's playing more physical too. It's not often you see your most talented guy get on the forecheck and lay some big hits, but I think that helps him. It helps him. And then the rest of the guys in the team, when they see that,

it's like, oh my God, Stutzel's out there laying the body. So then the rest of the guys are like, okay, I better do that too. So he's, both players have been really good, especially Kachuk lately. Well, you used the word mature, and you look at this team, and when you draft that high and have that much success early, like Brady Kachuk got his money. Norris got his money. Stutzel got his money. Unlike in our era, Georgie, where you had to play 12 years,

and maybe you got rewarded in your last contract but you know that can play into too much too soon for for a group of guys like this and maybe now that they're settling in now it's the understanding that it's just not about me or making an all-star team or having some good stats, but I have to make our team better. And I kind of saw it a little bit last night. Yeah, I did, Kipper, too. And it's a great point you make. That's how the league is now, right?

Every team, it's like you're at the casino or you're buying a stock and you're doing all your research. Okay, we're going to put all our money in on this stock, and oh boy, we hope he's good, we hope he's a leader, we hope he leads our team to the next level. And a lot of teams doesn't pan out, right? Those players just never become, and then certain teams like McKinnon and you've got Crosby and guys like that,

but usually you have to get those guys really high. I just found with Kachuk, I think it comes from the old man. We both played against Big Walt. He was driven. He was a competitor. You watch Matthew play. You watch Brady play. It's the same thing.

I think it's been driving Brady Kachuk nuts that this team hasn't been in the playoffs yet since he's been here. So I think when you get your captain that driven, and he has been paid, like the guys you mentioned, I think that's going to be contagious on the rest of the team. Because really, if you want to win in this league, your best player has to be the driving force. He's got to be the guy pulling them along. And I think, I don't think, I know Kachuk has that type of personality, but I think he's going to do whatever it takes

to try and drag the rest of the group with him. So where do the Sens go from here, Yorkie? What do you expect to see from this hockey team this year? I said on the broadcast last night with David Ambray, I said it's, you know, between Boston and Ottawa for that next player, that playoff spot in the Atlantic. He was like, yeah, you're calling it after 16 games. And I think it is. Where do you see it going for the Sens? Yeah, I always do that test, Barney, where I go, okay, if're calling it after 16 games, and I think it is. Where do you see it going for the Saints?

Yeah, I always do that test, Barney, where I go, okay, if someone's coming in, someone's coming out, right? So we look at the league right now, and you've got Carolina, who's on a heater. New Jersey's a good team. The Rangers are a good team. Toronto's always in the playoffs. You've got Florida.

Where the hell did the Washington Capitals come from? So you've got six teams, so then who's coming out right tampa tampa should be a playoff team so i'm with you like i watched that boston game pretty closely to me they seem like a team in transition like they're not the quickest team uh they're not the most skilled team i do like their defense i like their goaltending so i don't know. I see Ottawa as being a team in the mix down the stretch. Do I think they're going to be a playoff team? I predicted them to be the eighth wildcard,

the second wildcard team. So, that's where I think they're going to be. But a lot of things have to go right. They've got to stay healthy. They've got to get goaltending. Special teams. So far, they're in a playoff spot right now. But I agree. If I see one team coming out based on what I've seen so far,

I'd have to put my money on Boston. Hampus Lindholm, they say, is now out week to week, which probably tells me four to six weeks. If he may have broken something, I have no idea. Obviously, they're not sharing any information, but

that's a significant loss for a guy that averages 21 minutes on that blue line in boston he's a horror skipper like i love i think boston might have the best blue line in the east you got you know lynn tome's great back there brandon carlo i watch boston play the night that guy is just i don't know if there's a better guy in the league at boxing out and just playing defense. McAvoy is a real good player as well. The only guy I'm not sure about is, geez, the big guy they signed out of Vancouver last year.

Zdorov. He puzzles me because I'm never sure what I'm going to get from him. I love his size. I love his frame. You know what you're going to get from him in a contract year. What you don't know is after he gets the contract signed, that's when you don't know what you're getting. Yeah, I just find he makes a lot of bad decisions.

He was great last year, but like you said, contract year. Laurie was good last year in the playoffs for him, but again, now let's see you do it over 82 games. Yeah, that's a tough one to swallow, Kipper. I think Lindholm, he's one of the better defensemen in the league. If he's out for any extended period of time, that one's going to leave a mark.

Yeah, it sure is. Yorkie, great stuff as always, man. Thanks for joining us. I really appreciate your time. Anytime, fellas. I always love coming on the program. Thanks, Yorkie. great stuff as always, man. Thanks for joining us. I really appreciate your time. Anytime, fellas. I always love coming on the program. Thanks, Yorkie. Appreciate it. See you, boys.

This podcast is called Coming In Hot. This ends podcast. That is Jason York. So the Ottawa Senators, after beating the Leafs, will play Philly, Carolina, and and edmonton their next three games and i think you watch travis green is going to just ride all mark now oh you think so oh yeah yeah you got him going right now but valley told us he doesn't think he loves that yeah well uh eight point what two five doesn't matter what's after the point that's a lot I think he loves that. Yeah, well, 8.25?

Doesn't matter. What's after the point? That's a lot. Start earning your money, my friend. Yeah. World-class goaltending when you make that money, and you've got to – this is – do you agree, Boston, Ottawa? How hot is Boston's seat there for Montgomery? Because talking about hearing him, they have Dallas next.

So let's say they lose their next game and they go to 7-9 and they're chasing Ottawa, looking up at Tampa. Pasternak scored with what, under two minutes last night to give them a regulation win. That was huge. Big. Big. That's Team Canada's starting goalie.

Hit him in the logo and found its way through in the third period. We don't have to do this every time. Bennington lets in a bad goal. We don't have to do this every time. Can we do the fact that he's 11th in save percentage among Canadian goalies? Then 880? Sure. He's my pick, by the way, if I had to pick.

He's my pick, too. You sent that USA roster today. I was like oh good lord where is this thing let's look at this thing anyways uh so boston's in trouble without lindholm do you do you have four four teams coming out of the metro including the washington Capitals now. 11-4 after they beat Toronto is a lot more convincing to go to the playoffs. The Metro, New Jersey, Carolina in Washington, New York Rangers. Caps to me. Well, yeah, I do think four teams are in.

The Islanders are unfortunately not very good. So four teams there, and that would leave you four in the from the atlantic where you got florida toronto tampa probably and then boston or ottawa i gotta tell you boys i was last night watching the sands i'm like oh crap it might have finally happened here like you know i've been making fun of them for a long time for multiple years it's great though because people were saying that they were ready to you know pass the leafs and you called them out early yeah i was i snuffed i snuffed it out early last year but watching them last time like boy they got a lot of talent up front i agree with yorkie that like there are good signs they're just gonna have to it's it's still early you know it's still early it's's still early. It's kind of strange. Our league's kind of strange because it's early,

but it's not early enough for us to go, all right, we're 15 games into an 82-game season, and we can tell you like six, seven teams that ain't making the playoffs. Well, it's tough in a three-point league. If you dig a big enough hole, you're kind of, you're in serious trouble, and same with the Jets. It's like you're three-point league. If you dig a big enough hole, you're in serious trouble. And same with the Jets.

It's like you're 15-1 to start. You're pretty good. Okay. We're going to have the Jets conversation. We don't have to every day be like, oh, the Jets again. When they lose is when we get to talk about them again. Because they just win. They win every night.

It's like they just win. They're a good team. They just beat everyone who's good. They beat Rangers. They've beaten Colorado on this run. They beat every night. It's like they just win. They're being good teams. They just beat everyone who's good. They beat Rangers. They've beaten Colorado on this run. They beat who else? They beat Dallas. They got the Florida coming up.

They'll probably beat them twice too. They just beat everybody. So good for them. I don't know what else to say. We have a Velarde goal there in front of Shisterkin. It's just like a tease. I know. Will they win the cup

here's my reason why i'm skeptical oh that top line doesn't uh i think it's garrett hole who writes all this stuff the top line does not control shot attempts expected goals or goals like a top line and i kind of feel like if you can't outplay other top lines in the playoffs it gets real hard. Everything has to go perfectly. It's going perfectly now. They're 15-1. They're getting caved in, that top line.

It's a real problem. But on any given night, they got three top lines. Sure. It's a joke how good they are. The Carolina Hurricanes won the cup in 06 or whatever. It can happen. You don't have to have the elite, elite top line. It's a joke how good they are right now.

It is a joke. They are exceptional right now. It is a joke. They are exceptional. 15-1 is insane. The lines on real fourth line is so good. Morrissey's been awesome. Kellogg's the best in the world. They're going to go through a rut. They're going to.

Everybody does. Yeah, they'll lose four in a row and be 15-5. Yes. I actually think, you know, they just put up a Vince Carter banner at Scotiabank Arena. I think a less embarrassing banner would be at scotia bank arena i think a less embarrassing banner would be at least other jets only loss i think they should hang that at scotia bank arena it's crazy they're the only team that's beat them that is they can't beat the least they lost and the jets have won 15 games and they lost their super bowl against the least

anyways sorry to have done that uh game time. It's game time. Presented by Bet365. Visit the app, play the odds, and find out why it's never ordinary at Bet365. Must be 19 plus. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. So I was scouring the Bet365 website here.

Well, app. Website. I'm 100 years old, but the app. And I was looking for some Ovi stuff to see if they had any futures on ovi and bet 365 just happened to answer the call for me here uh ovechkin to score 895th career goal during this season the yes is plus 120 no is minus 150 so a little bit of a favorite obviously for no but the fact that we've gotten to this point if you had done this before the season No is minus 150. So a little bit of a favorite, obviously, for no.

But the fact that we've gotten to this point, if you had done this before the season, it would have been, the numbers would have been, I was going to say plus 800 for yes, and then like a minus 400 no. Like, they think this could happen. They really are starting to believe that this could happen. And we're going to see it tonight. What goal number does he need to do it?

No, no. But this season, where would that fall? Would it fall 42, 44? Let's math it up for him. He's got 10, does he not, right now? Let me just look at it here. He has 863 goals. Give us some math here.

I can't do math. I got to get my calculator out, boys. So he's 31 back. Okay, there. So 41. Yes. He's not 41. No, he's 31.

Yeah. You said 41. He's got 10. Yeah. Oh, yes. It will be the 41st goal. Yes. Okay.

He's on pace for 60. I didn't get here doing math. Okay. But we don't know how you got here. Forget the math. Any other way. We don't know. Neither do I.

He's on pace for 59. Is he really? He should get 40. It's so funny. The shape of him is so not like a current athlete, right? Like he's just this like bowling ball build on skates. Yeah. He's built like Dr. Robotnik from Sonic the Hedgehog.

He's never, and like he just never gets hurt. And this is with Dylan Strom. With all due respect, like no one had Dylan Strom and Ovi being an amazing one-two punch. No. And Pierre-Luc Dubois come in, and those are your top two centermen. So Dylan Strom points per game. I'm going to give it to you for the past five years. Yeah.

0.43, 0.70, 0.80, 0.82, up, up up up up yeah 1.57 1.57 so he's like he's like you know the last few years what is he 65 70 points yeah yeah now 130 points well he's doing his doing a backstrom impression out there nick backstrom the most consecutive OV goals he assisted on was 11. Strom has assisted on 11 straight OV goals. Really? Yeah. Wow. That's pretty cool.

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listen all right all right take it easy over there hey i'm not i'm easy all right let's catch our breath with a break. When we come back, Landon Ferraro, former NHL or Sportsnet hockey analyst, will join us. We'll break down the Vancouver Canucks and the Pacific Division with him as well. You're watching and listening to Real Kipper and Born. Get smarter when you listen to Hockey Talk, the Hockey PDO cast with Dmitry Filipovich.

Subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here we go. Last block on the Real Kipper and Bourne show. This hour of Real Kipper and Bourne is brought to you by Bet365. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. Let's welcome in Landon Ferraro, former NHLer. Does a terrific job now for Sportsnet.

Landon, great job last night on the telecast. Some pretty good vibes now after a good win at home. Something that we haven't seen too often out of the Vancouver Canucks. And it just feels like now we're starting to see them pick up where they left off last season. Everything's starting to kind of come back together here for them. It was an interesting start. They, you know, Taka came in, you know, the year and a half prior and really started stressing a defensive zone.

And this year they really wanted to build off that, especially with the transition. And, you know, early in the season it was not going well. They're giving up odd man rushes all over the place. And it just wasn't really clicking yet. But, you know, in the last little bit here they've seemed to, you know, kind of find their game again and get back to, you know, like really skating, getting on the forward check.

That's how that team really built. Watching that game last night, it seemed like Elias Pettersson kind of finding his mojo a little bit. Are things starting to happen in a positive direction for 40? Yeah, the last few games, like the game in L.A. and then last night he's really taken some steps we were talking about it the other day and like it's one of those where you know he can have some success when pucks are bouncing to him and that's one thing and that's

great you get some points that way through the year but over the last few it's really been him kind of buying his confidence back and buying those chances you know he's starting to put his body into things more not just you know he does that reverse hit so well but you know he's now you know kind of turned himself a bit more he's getting more stick on puck now he's creating some turnovers and his offensive plays being able to follow it but you know I think the best example of of him really kind of turning a corner was he absolutely ate a high stick at the end of the first period. And within a couple seconds, he's right back to net front, standing there taking a cross check.

He's back into the game, and that's where the rest of it will come for him. Landon, two-parter here. One is Brock Besser's out. We saw the hit. No one liked it what are the thoughts moving forward on his progression to get back into the lineup and I saw you last night breaking

down Jonathan Leckermacki's debut at what 14 and a half minutes and where do you see his opportunity moving forward as well yeah well I mean starting with the best one that's you know regardless of team and what you're covering or your phantom you never want to see hits like that it was you know completely avoidable um you know he chose to really kind of get up high on him

instead of he could have crushed him with a straight shoulder to the chest it was there for it he just you know he missed his mark and went high on him but it was uh talk and said he's day-to-day you know my assumption out of that is he's passed the first part of of the protocol and now if he gets into you know you have to keep moving day-to-day progressing so hopefully he keeps going that way concussions are never an easy thing but uh you know with lecker mackie it was it was fun to see him back at this level he did so well in training camp where you know he kind of extended his stay longer than most people thought he was going to he got into three games and had three points and you know started to showcase what he could do and then he had an injury right at the start of the american league

season and i've done a couple of the color games down in Abbotsford now watching the prospects. The first game I saw, he ends up with an empty net tap-in, basically. But that was, I want to say, his seventh shot on net that night. He controlled the play all over it. He's calm with the puck, and you could see that in his game last night. It was his first shift. He's a little timid on his first touch.

And then right away, about six seconds later, he's the little timid on his first touch and and then right away about six seconds later he's the one on the breakout you know coming in low and slow gets it makes a move around huberto like that takes confidence for a young kid to do it right away um you know his shots lethal it didn't really get to come out last night but you know he made some really nice plays he was calm under pressure he was in the bumper position on the power play like i think it was you know short of him scoring like i think it was a pretty perfect debut for him yeah no not uh not too shabby one of the quotes i saw before the game was jt miller said something to the effect of like we just need to forecheck like yeah i know we can play and whatever we need to get it on the forecheck get the puck and focus on that as a starter

how has miller been it feels like this team more than ever kind of goes as he goes. I know Quinn Hughes is the heart and soul there, but JT Miller up front seems to be the forwards version of that. How has his season gone? Yeah, I would say that's fair. Quinn is the overall leader and kind of the more calm demeanor and just his constant, consistent play, especially through this year, has been pretty amazing.

But JT Miller is like the emotion of the team. When things are going good or bad, he's the one that you see red-faced on the bench. He's giving all effort at all times. He's been dealing with something you know through training camp he only played the one pre-season game and you know then he had another you know another little kind of hiccup with you know where he couldn't take face offs for a week but once that passed he's been very consistent he had a couple games where people

weren't you know weren't overly happy at the end of that uh california road trip where he just wasn't quite the same but you can't expect someone to be the heart and soul night in and night out when other players you know just hadn't quite got their games uh up and running this season yet like he's put so much on his back that you know he's gonna have a night or two that's gonna drop off off. But, you know, he hears that stuff and he came back with a pretty good vengeance last night. And just when he chooses to be that kind of bully on the ice and just make everything run, like he takes over games in ways that not a lot of players could do. He's so big and so strong, but he makes really nice touch passes. And when he finds Pia Ciuter coming right off the bench

and going through the slot, he lets the play develop and he just threads that little sauce pass in there. He's making it work on all angles of the puck right now. Landon, the Vancouver mark is no different than any other one in Canada. They all sit around and look at wants and needs and we saw a trade yesterday with the pittsburgh penguins a lot of fans want to link jimmy rutherford back to pittsburgh and start hand picking some players including maybe a defenseman like marcus petterson uh where do you see the wants and needs right now

for jimmy rutherford as we get towards American Thanksgiving when teams have a better understanding of what they have or in Pittsburgh's case, what they don't have? Yeah, I think right now the biggest thing if you had to pick it would be help on the back end.

I'm expecting Myers and Susie to kind of get their game back to where they were shutting down the top opponents pretty much every night. Last year, it hasn't gone incredibly smooth this year so far, but those are two players with proven track records that they put in the work.

It just hasn't quite shown up there. There's just been pieces of it, but you don't know Demko's situation. You know, he's joined practice a few times now, so you're waiting for that. But Kevin Lankanen's been holding strong. I mean, that's even underselling it. He's been amazing this year.

It's just tough. They're in a tough situation where, you know, Brock Besser's out of the lineup now. They're still waiting for Dakota Joshua. You know, hopefully, they said maybe Thursday. where Brock Besser is out of the lineup now. They're still waiting for Dakota Joshua. Hopefully, they said maybe Thursday, but in the incoming future here, they need to see what their team actually is with everyone back in

because they can try and find it. And this management group has shown that they like making moves early. And Rutherford's done that through his whole career. Before I was alive, he's been making moves in and Rutherford's done that, you know, through his whole career. I mean, before I was alive, he's been making moves in this league. So, you know, they'll want to get moving on it, but at the same time, you know, one point percentage, they're sitting in first in the Pacific.

They have a good record. They're getting results. They're just trying to fine tune right now. You talk about making moves. It's crazy how good and important aranek has been on that top pair with Quinn Hughes. So can Quinn Hughes win the Hart Trophy? You know, I know he's won the Norris. He is in that conversation, you know, again this year. He just impacts the game so much.

You know, Connor McDavid missed a few games, whatever. Where do you see this? Because he feels to me like that tier of guy in the league at this point. Yeah, I think he's right there. The way that what he brings to his team night in and night out is MVP worthy, really. He's consistent. He's sitting at the top of the point leaders for his team again.

It's to the point where you're sitting there trying to pick apart and find mistakes that he makes because it just doesn't happen too often. It's tough. Was it Pronger was the last defenseman to win? And that was a pretty incredible season he put together. You know, does Quinn have the, you know, he doesn't have the build Pronger has to take the physical element of it. But at the same time, he navigates out of traffic so well on his own end. He can break the puck out. He can skate it.

It's going to be tough for him. But I don't think there's a reason why he can't finish in the top five. Work his way into the top three of voting for sure. Just a quick thought on Calgary as you watched them last night. Is there a world where they don't trade Rasmus Anderson or Kadri in the next, I don't know, three, four months, if not next year what are your thoughts i don't see why they wouldn't at this point right like they get off to an amazing start and then you know since then they've kind of come back to what that team is most likely going to be this year where they're good enough to be in games. They can win some games for sure. They have some good pieces, but at the same time, they're not a contender.

And the more that you just kind of hang around, you're just hurting yourself in the future. Not that we're talking tank or anything like that, but you can set yourself up and try and make that turnaround a little quicker with those two pieces in particular. Last night in the first period, they came out pretty good. They missed two really good chances where the Canucks scrambled back and took those kind of empty netters away.

But without those, the Canucks ended up taking over the game, and they looked tired. They looked dis over the game and it just looked they looked tired they looked disjointed and it was kind of you know pretty tough to get things rolling back again so you know I don't see why in the future here coming up that those two aren't you know at least heavily talked about you know in their organization and try and find out what that's worth. Landon last one for me just uh your thoughts on the pacific division at large um you know last year well i should say this year vegas has been very good edmonton slow start you know where do you have the canucks fitting into to that mix this season

i mean i see them right at the right up at the top again whether it's one or two but you know they have the team to do it and And when they play that more defensive style, which is funny to say because I think the Canucks are really built as a four-checking team that they can really overwhelm and hem teams in the way that they have some size they can get in and hold that, but they also have the quickness and playmaking ability to kind of run teams on that side. But it all starts with Tuck.

It's defensive zone. When they play tight and together as a unit, they don't end up playing in their own end very long. So now the game's easy for them. And as you go through the season, it gets harder and harder on the offensive side. You need to make sure that your defensive end is tied up tight. All right. I said last one, but I do want to know,

how are you enjoying the broadcast side of things? You were just playing in 2023. How does it feel being on this side of the glass? And after you're watching your dad do it all these years, why aren't you running for the hills? Well, the issue there, I'll start with that one, is I mute them basically every when i was still playing especially with when i was playing video games still and he was the voice in there

i'd turn the commenters volume right down or if it was a big game i'd turn them i can't listen to them on the phone at home and now i gotta listen to them i'm trying to get away too just surrounding me but no i'm really enjoying it that it. That's a nice way that you stay, you know, you're in the game still, you're watching everything. You feel somewhat connected. You know, I coached as an assistant in the BC junior league last year and figured out like coaching, even at 16 to 20, you're taking those results home. And before I knew it, I'm like,

I don't want my life to be surrounded by 17 year olds or doing the form check properly at night it was a ton of fun but oh that's a lot of stress so I'll take this every day of the week right now I'm enjoying it well welcome to the dark side my friend oh thanks I like the dark side you don't have to

get hit anymore that's the best part by far have a great night yeah have a good one guys landon ferraro yeah good stuff i don't remember having an assistant coach in the bchl that uh cared enough to be stressed out about the results that's great i'm kidding much love to bob dever who's out there uh quinn hughes mvp i was looking at that season that Chris Pronger won the MVP. That was 1999-2000 that he won it. The scoring leader that

season in the NHL was Yarmir Yager with 96 points. The scoring leader had 96 points? It wasn't like a devastatingly high scoring leader. The leader in goals was Pavel Bure. You at chris pronger's

numbers that season it just it goes to show how physically and defensively dominant he was to win mvp that year like he had 14 goals 48 assists yeah like you know that's yeah that's a good season it's like no one wants to be in his end how did he only have 92 pims? He's afraid. The refs were afraid of him, too. They could call a penalty. So I think there are a lot of really great players in the NHL, offensive players, that are going to have overwhelming offensive seasons, particularly Nathan McKinnon, who's on a two-point-per-game pace.

I think it's really hard for a defenseman to win the MVP. I really, like, he should win the North maybe. He should be up there with that, with Kael McCart. It's just, to me, I don't know. I don't know. Just get, we're so number fixated, you know? Yeah, but two points per game, bud. If Nathan McGinnis gets 160 points, he's getting MVP.

I'm telling you right now. I get that Eric Carlson was one of the most talented guys you'd ever see maybe the worst norris trophy handed out in ever ever like he he is so bad in his own zone yeah and never was any good never that interested i mean quinn hughes there's no comparison between them. No, no, no. I'm just saying, though, my focus on bringing him up is that he's just fixated on numbers. For sure.

Have you ever seen a combination? And how many of guys have there been since Chris Pronger who were as big as him, as offensively talented, and mean? And I can give you one name since that comes to mind. It's Chara. But he was... I don't think of him as offensively... Just players in general though. Like Glendross, Chara, Pronger. Do you think Glendross was mean at all though?

Yes. Yeah? Yeah. And then he just got hit a couple of times and then you lose your confidence. But there was a window where Eric was... Chara had some awesome years, offensively. Yeah, like 16 goals, 11, 17, 19, 14.

I remember the spinorama at the blue line. But to be that big and that mean... Larry Robinson before Pronger was probably one of those type of guys. But like very few, like even today when you think Hedman does not have that mean streak at all.

To be that big and talented and mean. God, Jara played 1,680 games, eh? 1,680 games. Now he just runs marathons. No, no, he climbs mountains now. He's still a plus eight in his last year with the Islanders. 72 games, 14 points. Just sign him.

Lindholm's out for now, four to six weeks. Just bring him back. He wouldn't be the worst guy in the league. That's for sure. It would be tough to get that tugboat turning again. He's running marathons, bud. Fair enough. He's running marathons.

How about a couple of fights last night? Oh, my God. Dylan and Gajevic. How many punches were thrown? So, yeah, an ESPN Butcher girl said there was 37 punches from Gajevic. 37. 20 of them had to hit him on the butt. And his jersey was pulled over his head.

He couldn't see a thing. Derek, do we have time? I put a clip in there, a Paul Maurice clip from last night on that fight. Do we have time for that? Let's do it. We got time. We got time. Paul Maurice on the fight. Do we have time for that? Let's do it. We got time. We got time. Paul Maurice on the fight.

It's in their shows. The linesman didn't jump in too early and let two guys hammer away, so Yonah's been injured for a while. It might be the best part. He's clearly 100% healthy, and I love when he's in the lineup. There you go. Love it. Dylan said after the game, he's like,

this is what I need to do to stay in this league, and I'm willing to do it, he said. But sometimes I wish I was a power play guy. He played four years for the ONC in a tag, scored 46 goals one year. Dylan did. No, sorry, Gajic. Oh, geez. Yeah, good player.

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