Real Kyper & Bourne - Slow Start in Oil Country + Sizing up the Atlantic

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee open the week by sharing their thoughts on the Blue Jays forcing a Game 7 in the ALCS against the Mariners before looking back on the weekend's action in the NHL, including Tom Wilson's big hit on Filip Chytil. Then, former NHLer and NHL Network analyst Jason Demers (11:50) weighs in on whether Wilson's check was dirty, Mason Marchment's collision with Anthony Stolarz, the Leafs' goalie's post-game comments and the Oilers' slow start. Later, Nick, Justin and Sam dicuss the Red Wings' quick turnaround, what the top of the Atlantic might look like by playoff time, Brad Marchand's antics against the Sabres and much more.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

all right catch your breath canada we're live on sports at 360 sports net 650 in vancouver sports net 960 in calgary and streaming always on sports net plus if you don't catch us live find us on spotify apple podcasts and youtube nick kiprios justin boarne sammy mckee jake the snake shill's derrick brandale for the fastest two hours in hot In hockey. In hockey? You're the fastest two hours in hockey. I'm not contesting the speed, but what sport are we going to discuss here? Well, I got a J's jersey on. I got a hoodie Jays. We got the J's jersey hanging up, and I went NHL alumni.

Well, in fairness, we didn't have any communication about it. I just happened to... Nice, nice little thing you got going there. That's nice thing? I picked it up yesterday. Yeah, it was going to the game. I need something. It's sharp.

We all ended up at the game together. Yeah, and together, we just all ended up at the game. Yeah. Who's the chatiest out of the three of us on our, our YouTube, what I know? Are the group chat? WhatsApp? Not YouTube, WhatsApp.

Yeah, yeah, WhatsApp. I'll give you the nod at the baseball, Kipper. You're the guy. Okay. We need to have a talk. We do actually vote. We do need to have a talk. Kipper's jinxiness.

Like, baseball, unlike any other sport, is the most easily jinxable sport. Yeah. And some of the stuff that was, like, I actually said, Jesus, bro, relax last night. What was the thing that you said? It was the thing he goes, we're going to game seven, boys. I told you we're going to game seven in what inning? I don't know.

At 940 b. Sixth inning. We are heading to game seven, Sammy. Gotta believe. And then you shut me right down. Did you? I did. I did.

So where were you guys sitting? Were you in the upper deck? Yeah, we were 521, so just kind of behind home plate seven rows up. It was wonderful, wonderful. I had my boy who's nine, good view from there. It was fun. And Kipper? Yeah, we were 128 section, which is right between the Jay's dugout and the first base line.

Beautiful. I was sitting beside Bobby McMahon last night. Were you really? Yeah, have a good talk with him? No, he was just, he was there with this whole family. He was there with his mom, his, mom is, I think his wife, kids, whole thing going on there. Look like they're having a good time. You look like he was...

They could afford tickets. He looked like he was somewhat into it. I could ask him for some money for a ticket for tonight. So you're debating on whether you're going or not tonight. So hear me out on this. This is some extreme boy math here. Okay? Last night, I was lucky enough to be given my ticket by my great friend Danny.

Very, very lucky to get to go for free last night. An all-time experience. One of the best games I've ever been to. Tonight is decidedly not free. but it's not as bad as it would be if I'm going on the secondary market I can get face value tonight so if I'm doing it

I'm like well I'm just getting 50% off for tonight because I didn't pay last night so it's like this I'm paying half price for both tickets. To me that's not even boy math that's just math you've had money set aside for a game now you're just going to a game I think I have to go no what listen to me

what the hell listen to me oh my God stay at home tonight keep your powder dry because you're going to want to go to Dodgers and Blue Jules and you're going to have to pay. And you're going to have to pay.

That is a risk. No, no, no, no. I don't know if that's a risk I'm willing to take, brother. But we may never get another opportunity to see Jay's Dodgers World Series in our lifetime. That's how unique it's going to be. And you need to go to one of those games and you need to save your money. Can I tell you something really gross about Friday, Saturday night? that if the Js happen to win this game tonight,

so hard to do, maybe won't, game seven, anything is possible. Game one is Friday. Leifes play the sabers at 7.30 on Friday. And then they play the sabers on Saturday at 7 o'clock. So back-to-back games across from the World Series is Leafs and Sabres. I can think of no worse punishment

than watching those Leafs games. You got to get someone else to do those. The Leafs talk. You got to. Anyways, so I think I think I'm going to go. I think I'm going to go. I think I'm going to go. So you're not going to go to a World Series game?

Yeah, I'm probably going to go to that. Listen, I'm going to go broke. How often do I adore the Toronto Blue Jays? How often? Yeah, I know. I know I'm just trying to save you a little bit. How often? How often?

All I want to say about that game last night is, you know, for that experience in that place, like high five and fans around you, three innings in a row and in double plays to get out of what felt like, oh my God, jams, you know, the barger home run. the Vladdy home run. That was my favorite sporting event. I think I've been to. The Cal Rally first pitch double play is, I needed a dart after that.

And that was as good as it gets. First pitch. Booked it to first. And you're just thinking you're sitting there, you're like they didn't score enough in the runs in the bottom of the third. They let them off the hook a little bit. Cow rally comes up. You're like, oh, here we go.

This is where it's flips. And first pitch, a lot of pran. A lot of pran. Just my last thought, as I left the ballpark last night, is that if John Schneider would have just followed the same sequence of pictures, we'd be getting ready for the World Series right now. Or they would have seen Hoffman one more time and it plays out differently. Not a chance.

I didn't want to be that guy today. I don't want to go in there. No, I'm okay. I'm going to the building. Possible mode down the meat of the order. I was in an incredibly dark place on Friday night. That's as bad as it's ever been. So let's not talk about that.

And let's hope Brendan Little does not factor into the decision this evening. He doesn't need to pack a jersey to the game tonight. Leave your cleats in the hotel room. Enjoy your seat for the games. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Jason Demir's former NHLer, who now does a great job as an analyst, NHL Network. We'll go through what we saw over the weekend or when we weren't focused. Hold on now.

To be clear, I also watched hockey. I do want to put that. Did you? Okay, good. Saturday was really nice, by the way. I golfed Saturday. You did. You guys are living.

Yeah. I watched afternoon hockey and I watch Leafs and I watched them of the, your boy, watch your boy Mitch, lighten it up against the putrid Calgary Flames. Holy crap, it's going to be a long year in Calgary, boys. long year. By the way, they played six games, and I got the first tweet mention, hey, what do you think the Leafs could get cadre out of Calgary? That's already, I think it's my, I got a shout out who it is here,

but either way, it's already in my mentions. I got a few DMs. It doesn't take long. A lot of attention when it wasn't on the Jays out of Washington yesterday with the Vancouver Canucks, where they managed to get a win, but a huge hit. Tom Wilson involved again on Philip Heedal. Heedle, that's his fifth concussion,

I believe, and how old is Philip Heedal? He is 26. Just turned 26. So it's a concern. He needs to quit. No, no, I'm just, I'm telling you, he just, he can't just keep taking those hits. Yeah.

And what did you? say six? I think it's his fifth concussion. Fifth? Yeah. Okay. Like, I made a hard decision. You know, he, yeah.

I'm not, I haven't regretted a second of it. You know, I think there, you know, there are guys that, you know, remember Ryan Kloh at the end of his career. There's a guy in Colorado that was wearing a pink visor at one point because he had so many concussions. Kasha here too. Yeah. Had the tinted visor because he was. Right.

And the second you need. Optical assistance to play the game because your brain is not doing great. I saw some describing it as a blindside hit and it's like, no, he just, he just doesn't have awareness. He just lacks that, that antenna. Yeah, it's unfortunate that it's Wilson, although I think maybe other people would argue that Wilson didn't, or sorry, other people wouldn't have thrown the hit. So when I was young, Kip, and this is, you know,

given our slight age difference, not much, but probably when you were playing in the NHL. A couple steamboats after they released the puck, you could hit a guy. Pass the puck, you know, one Mississippi, two Mississippi, Mississippi, you can still hit. It feels like now it's less acceptable, like those hits are deemed predatory by the public,

even though that's still a legal hit. And by the way, that's as much as you can hit a guy in the body. He just shook his brain with the contact. but they have NHL head office has clocks yeah right and I do believe 0.5 or 0.6 seems to be

a safety right like I just don't know if 0.8 seconds after you let go of a puck I think is deemed late is that right yeah yeah yeah and it's it's just it's factual like they can they they

they they clock it they time it the moment the puck leaves and how much and he was well within but people don't like to see those hits anymore or they do i don't know but not nobody wants to see them when somebody doesn't get up right so part of the reason i mentioned that is because part of the reason you used to hit was for intimidation and so the other decode be like god even when i move the puck I'm going to get hit. Every time I touch the puck, I know it's coming. I need to rush this so I have more time to brace for the hit.

I'm going to get hit. I'm going to get hit. And so now hitting feels like some people want it to be just to separate people from the puck or when they have the puck. But hitting used to be a technique, a tactic part of the game that was separate from just. It is still. But we just don't have that many guys that can make that hit anymore. And so it seems unusual.

That's exactly the thing. We've talked about this before in the show, but guys just don't expect to get hit like that anymore. They don't. And there's five guys in the league that are going to hit you like that. Honestly, Sam, you might be right. And when there's one of them on the ice,

you probably shouldn't like admire your pass for a little bit because he's going to try to inflict pain. Like I saw a lot of Canucks fans being like, oh, he didn't even think about the puck. Yeah, I know. Yeah, he had no, that's, he was hitting to hit. It's Tom Wilson. That was a hit.

And was it overt? Was it two minutes for interference? Probably. It was interfering. But I can't really. get anywhere more than that. Unfortunately. It was no penalty in the play.

There's no penalty. No, no penalty. But I'm saying I thought that it was, like he clearly had released it and was moving on and it didn't feel, I know it's bang bang, but like I think that's probably an interference penalty. No, no for you, still just. Again, for it to be interference, it has to be late. Yeah.

And was it not within that, no. It was not late. It was not late. And it's sure tough to come up with the penalty. I think in this era you could make the argument that it's like, like you said, they have their timer, but for fans these days, that's late, right? Maybe not according to the NHL, but for fans, that's late. All right, let's go to our first guest, Jason DeMur is a former national hockey

leaguer and someone that played most recently out of any of us here who might have a, or at all in some case. Who might have a really good feel of these type of hits now in today's game. Jason, thanks for joining us. How are you, man? I'm doing great. Great to be here. Yeah, so just further discussing the big Tom Wilson hit in your mind. You know, what did you see of it? Where are you on these type of hits? And is it really come down to whether or not you're late or not based on the amount of time

between releasing the puck and getting hit? It's so tough when, you know, especially the, a guy that got hit, you know, Philippaedal who's had some concussion injuries and things like that, but that was cleaned. You know, I looked at it a million different ways, slowed it down.

You could argue at most, I think it was a touch late for an interference call, but that's like splitting hairs. I just think he makes that pass up the wall, and that's dangerous when you're coming up the dot lane like that as a lefty and you're making that pass and then you're leaning into the middle. Like,

opened up and exposed and that's Tom Olsen's calling card he comes he back checks hard through the middle and if you kind of don't mind your peas and cues and your head's not up you're going to take a hit now I don't want anybody to get hurt and and that's you know I'm not that's where people go out well he's injured this and then I'm like Tom Olson had his shoulder down he just went through the chest it's unfortunate there's an injury but to me that that was clean and and there's not much argument there the refs looked at it too so I think after that the refs look at had it take took a good hard look and said it wasn't even worn to penalty so uh it's tough because it is tom wilson and a lot of canucks fans and fans around the nitchell just he's a hot button issue

anytime he hits anybody so uh but now that was that was clean to me jason you know what it reminds me of is like a lebron chased down block like tom wilson comes back on the back check like in a predatory he has a plan like he's not just coming back to like protect the middle of the ice it's like oh God, this guy has a purpose. So I want to ask you, how many guys in the league are like that? And when you're out there, would you be aware that, okay, one of the half dozen guys or so that does that is on the ice? Can't take my head off?

Yeah. Yeah, listen, how many guys there are not as many as there used to be, but, you know, you should know as a team when you're playing Tom Wilson. I mean, the closest comparison I go back to when I played was Rafi Torres. and you just knew that the bench had to be hyper aware and the bench had to be screaming at all times if Tom's on the ice or Rafi's on the ice and you see him kind of have a beat you have to take care of Heidel as well

in that position. I know it's such a bang, bang play. It's quick, but you got to be understanding and seeing and you see it coming. Like as a player, you know those guys. Like you could see as soon as the puck's turned over and he's coming back. It's like if he's coming to finish somebody.

Like he's, you got to make sure. that you're ready. And if you're on the bench, you've got to take care of your teammate a little bit, too. So I always put onus on the bench as well as the guys that are taking care of the puck. I just think that there needs to be awareness as well. You're playing Tom Wilson. As much as he's not doing anything during that game, I know it was quiet at that point. They were down to nothing. You know, Vancouver was all over him. You got to understand in that situation that Tom's looking to do something. So it's like you just got to be hyper aware. You've got to understand that you make that pass, just take a quick look. Just get your head up as you're moving. Don't admire the

pass. And that's unfortunately in the NHL today. There's a lot of that and a lot of guys can get caught. And just when you admire your pass like that, you're in a bad spot. Your head's cocked to the right. You're not looking. So that makes it even more dangerous for your chin, the impact. If you just kind of take a quick look in the middle as you make that pass, you'll be set, you'll be ready. You probably won't even get a piece of you. So it is tough and it's hockey so quick. and that's what makes these conversations so fun because you kind of have to, you get to analyze it and pick it apart.

But, yeah, it's, you just have to have an awareness on the ice when you're playing Tom Wilson at all times. And, yeah, if you don't, you're putting your own health at risk there. You're watching and listening to Jason DeMur's 700 games played with the shark, stars, Panthers, coyotes, oilers. Did I miss anybody, Jace? Uh, KHL. Baco, Finland, Baco, Worcester, Tucson.

We made our way around. And now presently doing a great job on the NHL Network as an analyst. So, Jason, just in terms of today's response to either hits or cheap shots, we've seen it a little bit around the league. Vancouver, I think, did okay for the most part, you know, after the hit. What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do? Is it harder now?

like I don't I hate you know doing the when I played the game you know there'd be eight guys I love to I love doing that I love doing that back when I play is it is it hard now watching the response of certain guys when something like that happens and we saw something in terms of the Leafs and Sharks or I'm sorry Seattle and the Leafs with Mason Marchment going into stolars and just today is it is it easier for guys to just look at certain things on the ice and go like that's that's really not my it's not my bag i'm sorry it's not my thing yeah it's it's so tough but i you know i always equated to you know in those moments who's your gamers and who's your not you know who are the not gamers and the guys that don't really want to get into that you you see it fast and you know it's not a non

on anybody listen you have it in you you don't but the thing that i was used to say back when i played and i was told is you know i wasn't the toughest guy by any stretch of imagination i thought five six times i think i got beat up every single time but you know i was willing to go in there and you know what's the worst that can happen you take a couple licks and that's it but it's worth more taking those licks to just go in and show your teammates that you're engaged and and you care, and, you know, I know you say that and guys go, well, I do care. And it's like, yeah, you do care. But listen, there's a level of just going in and giving a cross check or giving a face wash.

You don't have to drop your gloves in today's NHL. You can punch a guy in the face with your glove on. And, you know, I'm not advocating for guys to go around and just start swinging blindly and just being an idiot. But when something happens, like the Mason Marchment, you know Mason Marchment. You know what type of player he is. you can either choose in that moment to let him get up or you could dive into the net.

You don't have to take your gloves off, but when you're in the net on top of him, maybe giving him a face watch, that's at least enough to prove and show that you care, that you, that you, that you care about Anthony Stalars and you want him and you want guys in the league to not go to the net like that.

You don't want Anthony doing that, because once Anthony jumps in on that, you know, specifically related to the Mason-Marchant thing. If he jumps into the net, now if you're on the bench for Seattle, you know, well, he's frustrated. So let's keep going to the net. He'll take a penalty, something like that. Versus, if you're a D-man, just dive into the net,

dive on top of him. They're not going to give you a penalty to dive on top of them and maybe kind of rough him up a little bit. And a lot of the times that kind of irons itself out. Now, when you're talking about when guys, the Philippal one, when he gets hit, there's no penalty, it's clean. I do believe in you take a number.

you wait till he's in a position to finish a check hard on him, maybe try to get him in a spot where, you know, he's chipping a puck out and you can finish on him and you can maybe, you know, get a clean hit. And if you do want to go and fight him and, you know, go for it, but, you know, not taking the instigator penalty is always a, it makes it interesting because anytime those, now you see a lot these hits and then guys just jump in right away

and they take a two minute penalty. and that was kind of the, that was the thought process I heard from Brendan Carlo was, you know, we had a two minute penalty, we had a power play. Well, you're not going to get a penalty if you just jump on top of them in the net and maybe facewash him a bit. And if it goes to four on four, who cares? Because now you've shown your teammates that you have the capability to defend your goalie when times get tough and there's guys jumping on top of them. And maybe that will kind of, you know, that'll stop Seattle from doing it so much. Because I feel like, he has taken a few runs more so than in years past. And I think it's just one of those things that as a player, you got to make that decision and you've got to find a way to tow the line, but still don't just stand there with your hands by your hips. That does nothing. Jason Stolars came out in the media and said, you know, not just about that play,

but he basically said, like, you know, he didn't say his name. He was like, yeah, Neelander, you know, didn't work on the back check there, essentially. He said it without saying it. He totally said it, you know, so I think he even said today that he spoke to him directly. because he obviously said it. You know, I want to get your thoughts on sort of a call-out culture within a team. The Leafs for the last couple of years have never really had one. It's always just kind of like a blind eye to it.

This is one of the most vocal we've heard anyone be about the team. Do you think it's a good thing for guys to be outspoken about some shortcomings like that? Man, you asked me the tough ones today. I think it depends on, you know, where. you are in what city. I think Toronto, who knows what's going on internally because, you know, the media in Toronto is around always and in Canada. So if you do say something that in a state of emotion and anger, which still ours was, you know, you're getting talked to after the game, he was, he was pissed off. He was upset. You know, you could have seen why too, because, you know,

I think they should have had that game against Seattle. And you kind of, you know, you had some moments, but, you know, they just didn't play a consistent game and then you give up a goal that's lazy in overtime and you give up two breakaways in overtime, one leads to a goal. So, you know, for him, I understand that, but you always have to be careful. You have to watch out, you know, maybe the next day once you've calmed down and slept on it,

but you never want to go out emotional in the media. You can say you're pissed off, hey, I don't think we played good as a team, but talking about a back check and specific guys, then you just open up a can of worms. and you don't need that. I like that he went in a dress kneelander after, but to me, I'm like, grab him in the room right after the game. Don't even let him take his helmet off

and bury him in the room, and maybe he did. And that's the part we don't see, but don't run into the media after because you're upset and don't say anything. I've seen guys there, you know, you could see him coming to the room after a loss. They're upset. The media's coming to talk to him,

and they're mumbling to themselves. And it's like, just say what you feel right there. Just let it out before the media comes in. Let's just lay it all out. there and and and once you've said it okay it's all good we all love each other we're we're we're a group of teammates we're battling together it's fine to get mad at each other like i'm sure he was mad at kneelander would have yelled right at him for that play but yell at them get it out of your system and then once the media walks in it's hey we didn't play a great game uh and that's that

so jason do we give uh do we look at the edmonton oilers and say maybe somebody needs to say something to, I guess, I don't know, notoriously slow start again. Is that okay because we've seen this movie before out of the Oilers? Or, you know, does something like this inevitably catch up to them at some point? Bad starts. Yeah. And I guess my question is, do they have, you know, the depth that they've had in years past in the last two years specifically, like, is their team better than it was yet last year

or two years ago? and I'm not 100% sure. They're not healthy right now. I think once Zach Hyman's back and then Jake Wallman's back, I think that's going to be a big, big boost for this team. It's just always tough with Edmonton because, you know, I think I've been in media now two years ago

on my third and we're wrong on them all the time because you're like every time they look like there's just no way out, they find a way out. And then every time you think this is the greatest team alive, they just lose five, six straight. And I mean, they haven't looked great. at all this they can't get back to edmonton fast enough i mean this east coast swing has not been good and i did one of the the classic media twitter things i tried to protect evan bouchard

hoping he'd go and get two points last night and i'd look great told everybody to pound sand and gosh he didn't look good again and i think i i was like come on boo shelt me out here i know i know you're good enough so but it's just it's this it's this yeah it's just this this team, they're just so up and down. And, you know, I feel like they just do it differently than the Florida Panthers have done it the last years. And, you know, they haven't won a cup. So they're still missing something. But they're just a complete opposite of Florida. We're like, Florida tries to be this model of consistency and structure. And Edmonton's like, let's just roll the dice and see what happens. Game in and game out. And it'll work out because we have, you know, two of the best players in the game and some high offensive, you know, output players. So, but, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm always, like, measured expectations with Edmonton because they started off great playing defensively, and we're all like, they figured it out. They figured out the starts.

And now they're right back to where they were last year. So I'm like, let's see the next 10 games. And I think missing Hyman's big, too, though. I think it's bigger than people think he is the driver, the heartbeat of that forward group, and kind of drags a lot of those guys into the games because his work ethic. Do you have Edmonton?

One more on Edmondon? Yep, I was going to do Detroit. Yeah, can I just have one more from you on Edmonton? and that is Connor McDavid, no goals in six. And we saw a ton of energy. And I mean, whether or not Connor was affected with all this talk about will he sign, won't he sign, what kind of con, like whatever he felt through it, I can't speak of, but I just know the amount of oxygen it had around it.

Is that, does that play in now a little bit for you watching them have, no goals in six games. I feel it's more the question of he's kind of been very vocal this offseason about wanting to score more and wanting to shoot the puck. And I'm like, you know, anytime a guy says that, when I'm

like, you're doing pretty good. You know, you're a pretty good player. Maybe I don't mess with it. Yeah, I'm like, you're on, it's on easy mode for you and you're just now like figuring out these side quests and these challenges because this is like hockey's too easy for you

on an individual level. So I'm always like, just kind of go back to your game and the shots will present itself. And, you know, Connor pulls so many guys to him because he's, he just, he's so magnetic the way he plays for the defensive side of the puck because everybody's staring at him and they're mesmerized. So it leaves people open with opportunities to score. And that's just the way he is. And that's just a credit to his skill level and his speed and the way he's just able to influence the play offensively. So I'm just always like, just take what's coming to you. Like, don't, you know, don't think you got to score 50 to prove something to whoever

or maybe prove it to yourself. But just play your game. And at the end of the year, he'll be at 100 points and he'll be fine, whether it's 45, 50, 60 goals. So I just think that, him putting that out there a little bit is maybe he's just not looking for the plays that he's normally looking for. And he's looking to get into positions to shoot versus just getting into those natural positions that Connor McDavid gets into because he's so good and he's able to kind of just open up

things by the way he moves in and out of space. So I think it's more of that than the contract situation. I think that in itself, you know, maybe it lent a little bit of pressure to him. I think it's more pressure on the Oilers because, you know, he signs that deal team friendly, but it's like TikTok, like you got to find a way to get this guy the best possible team and get him finally over that hump and maybe that's kind of that has kind of played into his you know mindset to start the season but again i'm very measured expectations with the oilers i expected them to you know be not have a bet as good a team on paper as they had in the last few years so i expect them to struggle a little bit so the start of the season they look great defensively now i'm kind

like okay this makes sense they're missing two big pieces yeah and uh you know Connor's not scoring. So that's just, this is where we're at now. The side quest thing is so funny to me because I was trying to think of the only other guy in the league. Remember Sid every summer,

came back and was like, oh, I worked on a backhand or oh, I'm good at faceoffs now. It's like just creating their own missions within the year. It's like I hate you. Yeah.

It's like I hate you for doing that. Here I am just trying to learn how to skate and stand on my two feet and you're just figuring out how to score. Yeah, no, it's pretty ridiculous. So last one for me is a personal one. I was going to ask you about Detroit.

And, you know, the whole league at large. But, you know, for you, you said you're in year three now doing the media stuff. How much more do you know about the NHL now than when you played in the NHL as you're forced to kind of know about what's happening with every team at all times now? I would have played an extra 10 years, I think. Just all the inside information you get and learning about tendencies and stuff like that. But no, I mean, the Red Wing specifically, I mean, after game one, I think. everybody thought the world was crashing down, but we talked about it on the network. Me and Mike Grupp, and we were both like, we loved what Todd McCullin did.

You know, I think don't wait three, four games. Like, if your team comes out of the gate, you have all training camp, all summer. You should be your most excited and your most engaged in game one of the season. And, you know, they laid an egg. And I think he hit it nail on the head. I think it was perfect. You want to hold these guys accountable right away. And they've been great.

defensively. These young guys they brought in have been, you know, super, super important to this team. Emmett Finney has been a, you know, I'm part of the coalition of the seventh rounders. And he's just done a great job coming in and, you know, providing a spark. And I think Dylan Lark, it looks like he loves playing with him. You got, you got Nygaard, you got Sandy and Pelica. There's a lot to like from this Detroit team. And, you know, I think the biggest, and we kind of, we kind of poked around it. I think this John Gibson pickup is going to end up being one of the bigger significant

moves that happen this off season because I think goaltending-wise, him and Talbot are going to be very good down the stretch and they're going to be able to kind of keep each other, you know, not, I don't want to say accountable, they're going to keep each other. There's going to be a little competitiveness

there because it's two kind of older guys that sometimes get fatigued halfway through the season and now they got each other kind of playing off each other. So there's a lot to like from this team uh you know i think we all have had high hopes for a while now and i've talked about the the wiser plan and and i said why because the wiser plan and what's he what's he got cooking and it looks like he's found a good mix of guys now these these first six games of the season uh but i still think they're missing something on the back end but

overall i do really like what they've shown up front and and in that so it's it's interesting the Atlantic division with, you know, Florida missing Barkoff and missing Kachuk. There's an interesting, Tampa not playing great, not, you know, they just have not played, don't look like themselves. I think it's going to be very interesting, and we might be surprised at the end of the season or, you know, halfway through the year at how the, you know, the first three spots, the first three spots of kind of shaken out. He is the seventh round pick.

Jason DeMere's awesome stuff, bud. See how I caught that? Thanks, buddy. I caught that. You like that? I did like that. I like the seventh round drop in, buddy. I would have loved to been drafted the seven round.

That sounds great. Great stuff, okay? We're going to have you gone again real soon. Thanks for doing this, pal. Thanks, guys. Have great day. Thanks, appreciate it. That was fun.

Yeah. You were undrafted. Undrafted. I wasn't even good enough to be considered. I believe you have a book called that. have a book is available. Christmas is coming. Morning.

Your book? Yeah. Down and back? It's right. Of course. It's doing great. So just to go back a little bit, I think we'll go to break soon, but. Yeah, we should go to break soon.

Just, you know, the one thing that I, again, I look at the two-year deal by Connor McDavid. And I get five or five, four, four years. is a four-year deal would be like, okay, they could have a bad year and, you know, he's not going anywhere. But a two-year deal at the same amount of money has got now everybody going, okay, he has a subpar year,

Edmonton has a subpar year, like he's out of here, you know? Well, I mean. I think that's the pressure, though, of not a good start. or the pressure that he has upon himself to he needs to carry that this is a contending team all the time there's no wiggle room you know and i don't know what a slow start means because we've seen them dig themselves out of it but you can't keep going to the well on that and thinking oh we've done it before we're going to do it again i'm just my point in all of this is that anything sub has everybody leaning towards that's that's why he signed this deal so he can get the

heck out of here it's so true i i i hate that energy i i don't like that energy for him moving forward now he's o and six they're they're not doing well evan bouchard doesn't even have a point the guy's like minus five he not have a point no in six games i honest i didn't like that's 10 and a half million bucks yeah i just i hate that when if he's not having a good year or the oilers don't have a good year everybody just goes okay he ain't sticking around I just don't know what the solution that I would have been, though. Like, aside from a longer commitment. Yeah, that's it.

That's the solution. But yeah, okay, but like, if you don't want to commit somewhere that isn't going good, you know, this is, I guess, just the way it is. But he now, like, I'm sure he hates looking at the goose egg in six games. I don't even recall ever in the history of his life if he's ever gone six games. He's still going to score 50 times this year. I think it's, I think I saw that it was the first time in his career. He's gone.

Yeah, I did see that too. Is that right? You think he'll score 50. 50. What did you have last year? 30 something? You know, the funny thing about the DeMere's side quest joke is that he did the side quest thing, where he legitimately said, I'm going to score more goals this year a few years ago and he scored 60-some won the rocker shirt.

He scored 65, yeah. Yeah, he legitimately said. 64, sorry, my bad. And that he was like, all right, going to try to score more goals. He's going to get going, though. He scored 26 goals last year. Yeah. He scored 26 last year?

No, no, he had a horrible season for. I'll call it 40 this year. It was in 67 games. 50 is going to be hard. If you end up scoring one in like eight or nine games, man, that puts a ton of pressure on you. I mean, he does have seven apples in six games. Yeah, he's fine.

It's not bad. It'll be fine. He's Connor McDavid for that stage. I mean, I know we're going to commercial, but I can't get over the Leon fumble on the breakway down a goal against Detroit last. When did you ever seen that? But that's like, it almost makes me laugh because it's not indicative of something that's going to happen with the team or a failing.

It's like, ah, they just had a whoopsie, you know, like, This team is, it's not going how it usually goes. They'll be okay. Yep. I mean, I'm not as confident as I was last year that they're going to be good or great. I was the one last year digging in. Yeah. I don't think they're as good as last year.

Ask Jay Woodcroft about the slow starts. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He probably still thinks about them. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. Quick break. Let's do it.

All right, we'll break. And we return plenty more around the National Hockey League, including, I don't know, you didn't get to Detroit, right? I mean, no, I didn't. Pretty good start by Larkin. I would like to say that I quickly reversed course on that.

We weren't halfway through the year when I said they'd be bad. They played one game I said to be bad. I watched them play twice more. I was wrong. Stay with it. I don't believe it. It was my fault. I was like,

what's your hottest overreaction? And I was legitimately four days later. I was like, nope, had that wrong. Okay. We'll talk about Dylan Larkin, looking like Connor McDavid,

at least having the numbers that reflect a Connor McDavid. plus the LA Kings what do we think about the LA Kings I think they made a what I the Detroit thing I said before they made a mistake before the season even started Copter I will we will get into that as well after the break you're watching and listening to Real Kipper and Bourne hey it's Blake Murphy and I'm Matt Bonner

join us weekday mornings at 11 as we break down all things Toronto Raptors it's the Raptor show on Sportsnet 590 the fan wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the program. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKee. Before going a break, we mentioned the Detroit Red Wings. Nice victory over the Edmonton Oilers. They now have won five straight games.

since Justin Boren said they stink. Did I get it right? Yeah. To be fair, they were bad opening night. They were horrible. I watched them once. They stunk. They did stink when you made that comment.

So what is it, the goaltending? Is it Larkin? Well, those things, but I actually think their D move the puck and they skate way better than I thought they. would. That, uh, Sandine Pelica, I don't know, Polinka, Pelica. No, Pelica, you're right. Sandine Pelica. I like him all right. He moves it good. Some of these guys, they got a little pep in their step back there. This Finn.

Emmett Finney. Finney. Yeah. Yeah. Even the games that we watched, he did stand out to me. Yeah, he can move. Yeah, he can move. And he's playing, well, in the top line, right? Like, he's getting real opportunity for them, so. And he was, like, long shot. out of left bridge Alberta seventh round pick like de merr said

played his hockey and camloops The canloops blazers These are the things you need For it to turn around You know Like you need a couple of guys where you go Oh That guy's a player

Didn't know he'd be a player Red Wings had some pretty good luck With late round picks But yeah they have However they've had horrible luck In the draft lottery Where they continue to get bumped back every year So still early

Six games in Yeah, I'm not going to go ahead and get too thrilled about Detroit. But if you look at the Eastern Conference, we thought maybe there'd be another year where it's Tampa, Toronto, and Florida. And yet we sit and watch the Red Wings and the Montreal Canadiens sit atop. Early.

I'm asking you guys. So you're very convinced that we still will reverse this. The Buffaloes, the Montreals, the Detroit's, and the Ottawa's will still be in that mushy middle when it's all said and done. Here's what I think. I think right now the last two teams in the Eastern Conference are Ottawa and Tampa Bay. Those are not bad hockey teams. I don't think they're two and four, one, three, and two respectively.

I don't think those are bad hockey teams. I think they're going to be in the wild card race this year. So I think they're going to pull it together. Boston, not believing Florida's lost four in a row. So the door is undeniably open in the Atlantic for a Montreal Canadiens or Detroit Red Wings to do this here. But I think they're just okay. I don't think they're special.

The East is actually kind of soft. I would say that my radar is definitely up on the Panthers in terms of just continuing. I think they lost Mekla. the last game they played, like he went out. He's going to play, though. He's back. But like just, it feels like they've played so much hockey

and the injuries are piling up. And listen, they got a lot of pedigree there and they're clearly still a great team. But like, how many more guys can you just like lose? He's just got to get in. Yeah, that's it. I think I'm not like, but you say it's like a top three. Like I think they're a playoff team.

No get me wrong. But it just, Bennett, I think, is now back. I do have a concern about Tampa Bay and Vasilevsky. yeah that might be valid my you know i look at tampa bay and i just like my brain refuses to think a team with gensel braden point brandon hangle anthony sirelli yeah you know can be bad like they just have really good top end guys headman's still there but boy it's i just for me it's fastelowski posts pre-surgery post-surgery he's just a average to worse now they're just I just see pucks going through them now for a long time

that we just didn't, we weren't used to seeing. Everybody could have a bad game, but it just seems like the goals that go in now constantly for the last little while are goals that we're not used to seeing. Yeah. I was looking at their roster, there's a lot of Gonzalez and Pontus Holmberg

and Chafie and Curtis Douglas and, you know, J.J. Moser. Yeah, that's part of the roster. They're in trouble. What do you think of Marchand's antics against the Sabres? This is Marchand that we know and often at times like and

most often hate. I mean, I would hate to play against him. I'd want to rip his head off. Yeah. But nobody, he gets away with it. The helmet ripping thing is what I'm thinking about when I answer this question. and ripping out the ear flaps thrown into the crowd.

He had to wear somebody else's helmet. Because they didn't have, like, they don't have two helmets. And like, I don't want to suck as a guy. So I'm like, it's okay. It's okay. But like, I'll be honest. I hate it. Like, it bothers me.

It's just so tacky and childish and immature. I know that sucks. Yeah, that whole thing. It's like, yeah, but that's what he is. That's what works. All right. I don't have to like it. Well, I'm not, Doug.

Everybody's coming around. Well, I'm not, Doug. Yeah, it's like your body. who's like, he is who he is. Usually means he's not a great guy. Yeah. You know, oh, that's just, that's just Brad. That's what he does.

But part of that makeup also is part of what he does well in other areas. And listen, I got a cross check like that. I'd go after, you know, I'd go after him too a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. And then just turtling like that. Here's the thing with Dalian. It's just a bad Buffalo Sabre look. I'm sorry.

Dalian is, I mean, don't blame the rest of the sabers. They're trying to help him out. I know. No, no. I just meant. on Dahlene. He's no, he's not an innocent bystand. He's been greasy his whole

career. You cross-checked that guy and you don't know what's coming and then you just turtle. Well, he was already on the ice. He jumped on top of him. No, but Kipp's right. He's got to. Oh, no. But you never, listen, if you know, if you know you just cross-checked

like the snake, you don't take your foot off of them. You know what it reminds me of is recently when Yosi hit Brady-Guch. Kachuk, Kachosk goes into the boards, and Yossi's on a knee and Kachuk's skating at him. And you see Yossi go, he gets up immediately. He's like, I'm going to wear one if I just stand here. That's Dahlene there.

You know Marshand is coming back at you. If you had the helmet stuff and all that. That's the ideal. Like, that's what Brad Marshan's looking for. He wants you to be vulnerable. A guy that's like, I can look like I'm going to drop my gloves for once. And I'm going to jump on top of a guy who's vulnerable. Yeah.

Anyways. Hey, did you want to. I did. I just mentioned the Kings who are one, three and two right now. in six games it looks like Copatar's going to be out for a little while here and

they did a press conference prior to the season calling for Copatar's last season with the Kings and I just thought it was a huge mistake huge you hated this you brought this up a few times out why would you

make a major announcement like that when you are still most often than not, they're number one centerman. Do you think it's ticket sales? Sorry? Do you think it's related to ticket sales? Like come see them while you can?

I wouldn't put it past them. Maybe. But it's just, the focus now is a whole year of a guy who's just on this I don't know, retirement like parade.

And now out week to week. You know, one thing Gretzky the greatest player in our game waited until

three games before I think the season ended I think he made the announcement in Ottawa and then they had they were

they were racing to retire him on the last game of the season in Madison Square Garden that guy knew he was retiring well before the season

kept his mouth shut why would you attract all that attention. Fair enough. We got to play this, Ryan. Say this last name. Oh, yeah, Worsowski. Worsowski.

This is from, I believe, Saturday night. Sharks coach. Sharks coach, Ryan, we're saying it again. Sovsky. Thank you. Let's play it. Ryan, unfortunately, you've been a part of these slow starts here,

these last three, four years. I mean, how do you, this group, though, I mean, do you think it has sort of the resolve to sort of get back in it, maybe a little bit more so than previous years ago? Yeah, I think so. You know, again, a lot of new players, we've got to just keep working. I mean, keep teaching from the coaches.

We've got to keep preparing them. But, yeah, trust me, it sucks. Keep telling myself, there's got to be a reason why this keeps happening in a sense. You know, I'd give up one of my children's for a fucking win. So it's frustrated, I'm sorry if you're swearing. I just, we're very, very frustrated, and we need to keep working at it. He didn't even laugh after that. No, he was like, I would actively do that.

Will one of you take them and give us a win? How many kids does he have? He must have a baker's dozen, Bob. It's got to be talking about it's like second or third. You know, not the first two. The third, you could probably give away. I'd give up Blue Dog for a game seven win tonight, 100%. One thing that I believe early in the season matters that tells you a story is goal differential.

Carolina Hurricanes are plus 12 in five games. I think they're a good hockey team. Can I just ask an old guy question here for a second? Yeah, plus mine. When did F-bombs become so acceptable now? Hey, Schneider's press conference after Game 5 was wild. Billy Garen, now Ryan, like F-bombs, no problem at all. Buddy, there's no press code.

Nobody flinches. The world's a locker room. It used to be called locker room talk. Yeah, the world's the locker room. I don't know if I like it. I think that might stem from somewhere, but I'm not willing to say. Who don't get that out of here, that? Kipper, you used to say horse S on our show like twice a week.

Yeah, but after no one was listening. He tried to generate an audience. I was, I was also, like, removed from broadcasting, and I came back, and I forgot. In the broadcasting. What was the last time I dropped something? Been a while. It has been a while. Thank you.

Been a while. Yes, goal differential, really quick before you go. Carolina is very good. With Colorado Avalanche, jets, very good. Bad teams. Flames. Sharks. Senators.

Sends are minus 10. No other team in the East is worse than minus 5. Really good game in Vegas tonight. Carolina and Vegas. Ooh, all right. Fast. Don't go away. Don't effing go away.

I didn't say it. I know. Leaf addition of the real Kipprin Board next. Dolars stirring it up. That should be fun. Even though Blue Jays are sucking all the oxygen in this city, you people have a lot. to say on Stolar's comments, including yours truly, J.B. and Sammy, all coming up next with

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