Real Kyper & Bourne - So You're Telling Me There's a Chance...

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee open with the Leafs' Game 4 win last night to keep their season alive, better puck management, Jo Woll's stellar night, some desperately needed offensive production from the core, the game's officiating and Matthews playing predictable hockey. They are joined by Leafs Nation's Gord Stellick (46:59), who shows where he's at on the Hope-O-Meter, discusses the Leafs' stagnant offence, the Panthers' suffocating forecheck and how many games the Leafs need to win to prevent changes in the offseason. Next up, Kevin Lowe breaks down last night's Oilers / Golden Knights game, Pietrangelo's slash on Draisaitl, Nurse's suspension and the strength of the Oilers' powerplay (1:05:27). Finally, former Flyers player and current Flyers analyst - from the Snow the Goalie podcast - Chris Therien on Philadelphia hiring Keith Jones as team president, what type of role he will have and what will be his first order of business (1:25:26). The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

This is real Kipper and Bourne on Sportsnet 590 The Van. Listen. Listen. It's alive. It's alive. Clear the paddles. we have a pulse we found a pulse it's alive leaps down the floor it's alive it's alive it's alive it's alive how quick quick is Derek on that for you, JB? That's a nice pull. 2-1.

Win last night for the Toronto Maple Leafs to extend the Eastern Conference semifinal to a game five at the Scotiabank Arena on Friday night. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne, David Sissboomba, Derek Brandeo. Quick on that too

Derek nice job yeah well done Sammy McKee who we can predict woke up today with a glee of hope I'm thrilled what do you think

just Sammy just when I thought I was out they pull me back in don't you dare sammy don't you dare i we need you pessimistic they still gotta win three games here fellas i was i'm happy they got us a little couple more shows here of fun a couple more shows of hope but it's still a really really steep hill they're walking up. It is, and we're going to get through it, and we'll figure out reasons why they can do it or maybe reasons why they can't,

but that's going to be all part of the fun in the next few hours. Gord Stelic will join us in about 48 minutes. Leaf Nation pre- and post-game, former Leaf general manager. He's always got a great pulse on the Toronto Maple Leafs. And why not? He's lived it and breathed it his whole life. Kevin Lowe in the second hour.

Six-time Stanley Cup champion. He's going to talk to us about the Oilers and Vegas. An ugly incident at the end of that game has led to a NHL call for Alex Petrangelo. That in all probability will lead to a suspension. I would think so. So we'll get into that a little later. Chris Terrian, former Flyer defenseman. Snow the goalie of Flyers podcast.

He's also got a book, Road to Redemption. He's going to join us to talk about the hiring of Keith Jones as president out of the broadcast booth to the head honcho running the Philadelphia Flyers. That's fantastic news. So Bundy will be by to talk about that. He's also got a.com, JB, called BundyRecovery.com. Oh, cool. That will help people struggling with drug and alcohol addiction

to actually reach out to him. So I know that's near and dear to your heart. Yeah, my man. That's great. We'll check that out. We'll definitely give him a plug on BundyRecovery.com. But in the meantime, we talked this time yesterday about what Game 5 was all about for the Toronto Maple Leafs. I used words like respectability, accountability.

Saving face. Saving face. Mission accomplished for one game. accountability saving face saving face mission accomplished for one game definitely definitely think so you know I don't know that they did anything that different in that game aside from you know

keep Florida's transition chances down right they defended pretty well Florida went from 14 slot shots per game to six last night. And to me, that's the story of the game. The Leafs just really smothered Florida's offense and got a couple of bounces, Kip. Yeah, it's just so clear to the eye. I mean, the numbers I know support,

and sometimes they don't support. But for me, just the optics of watching the Leafs spend less time in their own zone, watching Florida have less sustainability on a four check made all the difference in the world. The Leafs had the puck a lot more, maybe more last night than they did in all three games yeah yeah no it's good they you know they they managed to play a little bit in the right end of the rink and just not much happened last night you know by and large which is not a terrible thing you know i got an article on sportsnet right now um about the idea of how like if it you know had they got the breaks in game two which they were probably the better team or the overtime game or whatever,

you'd feel good about the Leafs spot, right? Like there's a formula for them in terms of slowing down Florida, in terms of, you know, their best guys scoring a couple goals, Bobrovsky coming back to earth. Unfortunately, it's 3-1. You know, unfortunately, the way the games have fallen, you know, they're not in a great spot, but I like their odds. Like, I still think they're going to win Friday.

It's going to be hard for me to come out. You know, game six in Florida might be the one where I pump the brakes, but I still like them Friday. Well, I know going into the weekend, I talked to you guys, and for me, after watching four games i mentioned the minute and six seconds right yep and i think if you take away that minute and six seconds you could easily be looking at a 2-2 going home going home in which case you're a massive favorite you know based on the way the games have been played

and what's left in terms of, you know, your superstars have actually created, but it's just starting to go in the net and Bobrovsky and figuring out how to slow them down. Like, there are good things happening. But again, that minute and six seconds happened. So how about you, Sammy? What's the number one feel for you feeling a little better today after watching what you saw last night? I thought looking at the way the Florida Panthers played, to me they've been playing as an extreme underdog for however long,

like since the start of the Bruins series. And to me it looked like something that kind of flipped on a team where all of a sudden they were in a driver's seat and we've joked about it and talked about it on this show and it's one of the biggest cliches, but the fourth one is the hardest to win. To me, they looked a little tight. They didn't look like their usual free-flowing selves

where they're just forecheckingchecking their you know their offense is coming easy the leafs give the leafs a ton of credit for playing really well defensively and blocking a ton of shots but i thought for the first time it looked like a team that's been an underdog for a long time that feeling a bit of pressure and it showed to me you know one of the things that uh often gets mentioned with my with our stanley cup in 1994 was that we were up 3-1 and then vancouver came back the next two games and then there was a two-day break between six and seven and we're gonna have kevin low on later on in the show um and uh he's he's uh the perfect guy to talk about what that extra day did for our hockey club to regroup for something that many felt was unraveling.

Going Vancouver's way. And I think if we look at that extra day off that made us, unfortunately, have to repeat a lot of things for two shows in a row without games. Bad for us. Same show three days in a row, yeah. Bad for us, but great for the leafs last night i thought they were able to kind of rebound well giordano looked like that extra day felt a lot better for him tavaris had i think better legs he had three good chances to score yeah and you were able to calm Brody down in McCabe. You were able to ask Luke Shen to drop his minutes by four or five last night

and still be very effective. No question in my mind the extra day was all about the Leafs having a chance to regroup here. And for Florida, it was just another thought of, God, I don't want to go back to Toronto. Yeah, one of the things that I think has been a big advantage, Sammy's point about them playing the underdog card here on the way in, Kip, was like they're trying to make the playoffs, right? Everything was against them.

And so they were just playing and playing and trying, you know, trying to see if anything good can happen, you know, being up three Oh, and sitting on that for that extra day, it really did flip. And when you're the underdog and the score is zero, zero in a hockey game, I said this to Sammy yesterday, zero, zero, you feel like you're winning, right? The longer you hang on, keep it close. It's going your way. You're hanging around. That's good. When you're supposed to win, that's like, oh, we're not winning, we're supposed to put them away here, whatever. It's a much different mindset.

And I felt like through that game, the Leafs were in it for a while, then they got the bounce, right? They get the bounce off the ref's knee, and all of a sudden things turn for Florida. I don't know how long Florida is going to maintain this feeling of they're supposed to be the ones who put it away but certainly some of that pressure has flipped all right let's go to sheldon keith on his over overviews of uh of what he saw in game five and we'll react it's the first thing is that they care they care deep i thought from an effort standpoint i thought it was our best

effort of the season it's all the way through from start to finish. There was no real let up. Obviously, it's a very close game, but our competitiveness defensively and urgency defensively was best it's been all year. It was an unbelievable job by our guys here tonight. Not that they had great looks against Wall, but when they did, they either missed the net

or they didn't get through. The block shots, I think, were maybe two and a half or three to one in Toronto's favor. And for the first time in the series, they looked a little frustrated not being able to penetrate in the middle of the ice.

Yeah, and that's something that they have thrived on. We talked about transition plays for them, like goals within five seconds of a turnover. They didn't get that opportunity because the Leafs managed the puck better and protected the house better and kept them to the outside. So it's, you know, all year, statistically,

the Panthers have outperformed their expected goals because these quick strike attempts if the Leafs don't give them the puck in those spots they're not going to get them and it's going to look an awful lot like it did in game four all right let's go to uh keep on on his number one goaltender from here on in Joseph Wall our team in front of him uh gave him every opportunity for success today with how they competed in front of him. I mean, the number of blocked shots that we had here today,

keeping the puck away, but you're 100% right. Anything that did get through, he looked really confident and in control. So I was asked the question yesterday, if I considered Matt Murray for this start, and I gave a very short answer of no, but I wish I had elaborated at the time just to say that it wasn't a reflection or isn't a reflection of how we feel about Matt Murray. It's more about how we feel about Joe Wall

and his development over from you know over the last year uh is is frankly just well above what we had anticipated in terms of the timeline the matt murray part's interesting to me someone talked to him eh like kyle or someone was like you can can't go there and crap on the guy who's under contract next year. He's learning. I think he's just learning. It's still part of the experience, but

yeah, I mean, truth is, it's like, yeah, it's not a reflection on Matt Murray publicly, but behind the scenes it sure is. It's something that we haven't really looked at much. Right? Yeah.

Come on. It is a reflection. The guy's available. He was your starter to start the year. Yes. Big time reflection. And, I mean, I'm not sitting here patting ourselves on the back, but we had ample conversations about this guy maybe being called upon at some

point yeah and you know i i loved learning a little bit more about him yesterday talking with mckenna and hearing that you know no social media he kind of uh the story luke fox told about him or was it who said it was it lukeenna? Yeah. That said that he didn't know that Ryan O'Reilly was on the Leafs? Yeah. Yeah, I told that story. That was you. And Bukoskis yesterday, before the game, was talking about how he was doing, like, water therapy, like, swimming in the ocean or whatever.

There's clips of him playing the piano in the lobby. Like, he's a different cat, but this is great. I love the fact that he's kind of in his own world. I gotta think that that leaf nation will eventually get to him well right now without social media can you be reached is he in bubble wrap right now buried in a basement he's in the best position possible offline don't let him get to a gas station don't let him get groceries don't let him go for a walk

just get to the rink, tend the goal. You know, think he's a religious guy. He's got God in the post. He believes he's got that extra backing. It's all good. All good things with old JW. It is so abundantly clear, though, that just fundamentally he is like, there's no, if it's going in, it's going in,

but it isn't going in because he fell on his face or he's so true he's like the cpu by four inches yeah if you make a great shot you might beat him but he's probably going to be where he's supposed to be yes yeah that's it very seldom do you see him uh scrambling yeah we have maurice on him as well right well he got asked about you know trying to make a rookie goalie feel a little bit uncomfortable in the net or whatever. And this is how Paul Maurice responded. No, no, we want to use a rookie goalie. As you said, we just kept talking about that before the game and then invited, you know, want to make him feel comfortable in the league.

So, listen, they played well. They played hard. There's parts of the game I didn't love. Shots are 25, 25. I don't know. We might have 20 blocked and got blocked about nine of theirs. That's probably the difference in the game. Yeah, that's what we said.

Maurice is funny, though. He's like, you know, kind of trying to make a joke out of it. We had another clip. I don't know when you guys are. No, let's get into it. You brought it up. Paul Maurice after the game, probably a ton of emotion. I mean, he's been around a long time.

Trying to make it light. You could sense the emotion of him in this sequence. Let's have a listen. Good luck. You saw in the last round what happens when a team doesn't take advantage of their chances and when you're saying that i'm thinking of will ferrell you know exactly what i'm talking about that basketball movie when he's got yeah i get well that's exactly how i felt no emily go ahead finish your question i'm sorry i'm just i'm just telling you when you said that that's what flashed

through my head but i guess just what is what is the concern on on allowing a team to have life in a series well the opposite part of that idea is that you would expect a team with 112 points to have no life in a series or if you just did what you could easily do that this would be four and wouldn't think that any of you had predicted that. So we would expect, as the start, we'll go to game seven smiling. You know, we just lost a game today. That happens in the playoffs. I think to everybody so far. Okay, we're good.

We're okay. And we get to play the next one. I think we're all good with that. It wasn't so fabulous a win that they're. And we get to play the next one. I think we're all good with that. It wasn't so fabulous a win that they're not going to let us play the next one. Okay. No, no, go ahead. Keep them coming. Just try to hide your glee.

I'm with you. Relax. Relax. For fuck's sakes. You guys look like the coach's office. All right. Hey, what an amazing job of me editing that. I can't give Samsonov crap for dropping F-bombs and not give them to Maurice. I don't like it.

What the hell was he talking about? I don't even know what any of that is. Like, I think he wanted to be John Cooper and keep it kind of light and, like, funny. But it's a little bit on tilt. It just seems a little rattled to me. Unfocused. I thought he was, yeah, he just tried to go a little deeper in some spots when what would have been sufficient is we lost a hockey game in a best of seven. Yeah.

And it's okay. We're fine. We lost one. We're fine. We're okay. And we'll just move on. I mean, when you're talking about, you know, giving a team life and that happens within a hockey game. It happens within a period. It happens within a hockey game.

It happens within a period. It happens within a shift. You may lose momentum. There's ebbs and flows. That's just so common right now. Yeah. There's no, I think, I think Paul sat there and said, the media is trying to lead me into the fact that we've lost momentum in the

series and now it's all, it's all leafs. Yeah. You know, was that, was that the same quote when he mentioned a Hydra Glee or is that on? Yeah. Yeah. He said that.

Yeah. Hydra Glee. So, you know, here's Paul Maurice. He's in Florida. What's he got? Like three beat writers that follow him around all year.

Now he's staring in a room full of like 150 i tell you i think paul likes that it's fine but he also knows that like 175 of them are all like pro leafs when i say pro leafs i'm not saying that they're cheerleading them on but their stories about the leafs it's not about florida right so that's no one's writing about Carter Verhage's rush defense. And everybody gets accused of putting cheerleading on for the Leafs, but it's only natural, and we're

guilty of it, too. Their success means more work for us. It means more people will continue to follow. That alone. We got Leafs in our logo, Kip, though. Hockey Night in Canadaada same thing like yes they're cheering for the leafs why wouldn't they you don't want five million people watching you every night right you want to you want to lose that audience and go back to a million

sure yeah i get your point no one's to blame for the angles it's just the way it is but paul definitely has his backup at it i guess feeling like he knows how people want it to go. Yeah. That's right. Listen, I've cut a ton of audio this year from all different coaches and all different things. That is the most deranged clip I've ever cut. First off, what is the Will Ferrell, I guess, full tropic?

What movie was he talking about? I don't know. He was talking about Semi-Pro, but I have no idea what. I'm going to go look through the quotes quickly. Cursing at the end and hide your glee. And like we get to, I don't know. It was all. Anyway.

Yes. My point is that maybe he's a little flustered. I don't know. Maybe. His team stunk for long stretches of the year. And they stunk last night. Yeah. Right? Yeah. You they stunk last night. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. Florida? Yeah. Yeah, they didn't look right. Their energy was down. And the Leafs won a lot more battles along the walls. I thought Achari was terrific. I thought Ryan O'Reilly was good, too.

Yeah. Just very sound defensively. 15 seconds left, he wins a puck battle. That's just like only he can win. You know, the other thing that stood out for me, too, is I don't know what the final number was, but they won face-offs, which means that you win puck possession, which means that they can't forecheck you.

They can't pin you. Yeah, and, you know, what did you think of their their big four guys like i thought the best of the group personally was willie nylander i thought nylander again like he's got a lot of pop yeah for three straight games i didn't like him in game one but he's when he's coming back yeah and and back pressuring i know he's engaged i would say that is the biggest differentiating factor between good willy and bad willy when he's good willy he'll come back and be a part of it right and all of a sudden there's back pressure they turn pucks over and they go the other way which means he's not cheating right

he's not blowing the zone right he's supporting the puck yeah he's already lower yeah rather than standing at the far blue going well i didn't get it very much tonight no good good showing from him mitch gets one and one you like him last night you know he's the engine yeah they don't he doesn't show up like that they have no chance of winning yeah still turning the puck over a ton though fellas but he's got the puck a lot more and it it is a percentage thing with him but i him turning pucks over is not my biggest concern yeah that's just that's just a guy that he need he needs to have the puck he needs to make plays yeah i mean that if that goes gives him a little confidence and he gets going that changes things for me you know matthews had four shots last night tavarez had three as we mentioned two or

three good scoring chances like they weren't awesome they weren't awesome but that gives you more hope i think if you're a least fan that there's more there they forgive still they got the bounce off the official on the opening goal on a power play but what did you see on the other power plays that uh would have given them more breathing room it didn't happen until uh later on in the game with the marner goal but is that a concern for you at all are you seeing what you need to see on a power play you know what i want to see is more power plays and that's not a critique of the officials necessarily but boy you know this florida team is actually a very good five on five hockey team and in the regular season they were a you know bottom third pk team and not a very good power play and this has been so much five on five hockey i feel like nothing's getting called so if anything kip i feel like their their power plays out of

sync out of rhythm like they just don't look it was an awful power play before they scored that goal like awful and like a lot of of course leaf fans were bent out of shape about how they went that long without a penalty and they didn't get one throughout the first period but i didn't think that it was like a bad stretch of officiating like i really didn't think there was anything that was that bad to be called and what was the first one that ended up he was a high stick that he because on bunting right the bunting one where he's bleeding and they call it a minor instead of a double minor i thought that was black and white kipper were you surprised by that i i don't think i recall how much blood was drawn he was noticeably bleeding yeah you know not when he got up so much when he showed the linesman on the bench before

the puck was dropped he's clearly bleeding and so my only thought is did he give himself like an extra something to the area to get a little blood? Not above a player. That's not like tinfoil hat. I've bit my lip after getting high stick trying to get some blood to show the ref. And what about what drew a lot of emotion last night was the Gutis hit on camp, which was as hard as a hit. That's a car accident. Well, do you think that was as hard as mine?. That's a car accident. Well. Do you think that was as hard as Meyer?

It was close. It was close. It was as hard as the Meyer hit. If I had to choose which hit I receive, I take the camp one. Listen. But not by much. I give camp full credit for not bailing. On that play?

In the game. Oh, yeah. In the game. Well, you know what's funny? So he comes back. Warrior for coming back back yes comes back first touch of the puck he beats a d wide goes behind the net and gouda starts angling him off and he threw that thing back in the other corner someone else handled this thing like i i thought it should probably have been a two-minute penalty but like he the whistle it's not like he took four steps after the whistle.

He had the puck. The whistle goes. But it's a clear charge. It's a charge. But the whistle goes one second before he annihilates him. Like, I don't think it's a crime to hockey or anything, but it probably should have been a penalty. I saw Versteeg on Bunker saying, like, it's, you know, blindside,

intent to injure, violent, like really didn't like it. It's very clearly a minor penalty. Very clearly to me. I just saw a really hard hit. It was so hard. But it's Kip. He takes four, you know, there's camera angle of him accelerating four hard strides. He went hard.

He went hard. Ill intent on that. Just Kip or just agree it should have been a penalty. He rammed a guy into the boards. Could you call it boarding? Yes. Should it have been a penalty. He rammed a guy into the boards. Could you have called it boarding? Yes. Should it have been called boarding? Yes.

Come on, Kipper. Yes. Yeah, I'm not. Oh, come on. I'd like to see a Leaf hit a Florida Panther that hard. Yeah, that's all. That's what I'm asking. I like hard checking.

I do. I don't mind it at all. Thanks, John Cooper. He had the puck. He's coming up with it. Gutis hit him. Just chalk it up to a hard hit and move on. He got rocked.

He got rocked. And he kind of caught him underneath so he could turn him a little bit. Like, it's as hard as you can get hit. What do you think was harder, Meyer, Trubo, or that one? I think the Meyer one is worse. Like, I'd rather take the goodest hit, but... The way he hit the board. You got double impact, though, right?

One's just one impact. The other one's a double impact. But Meyer is face on. Yeah, I know. You know, like, at least you didn't hit your shoulder on the boards or something. Crash test dummy. Yeah, like no touch of the brakes in that one. And yeah, the fact that, like you said, Kampf stayed in the game.

Oh, yeah. And by the way, great hockey game by Kampf. He was lying there. He's been good. He's been good. When he was lying there after it first happened, I thought he was in like major trouble. Yeah, I thought he was in Narnia. Yeah. I thought he was so like, he was like looking up and he was just seemed so shocked by what had just

happened to him. That's the whistle. Part of it was just processing. Like, how did I end up here? Yeah. Yup. That's me.

Oh yeah. You know, the old record scratch. You're probably wondering how I got here. We want to go back to Keith on his big four. Did we play that? Let's play. Let's do it.

It's really good. We're getting there here. Yeah. First thing is that they care. They care deeply. Because of that, you give that type of effort. They didn't want to go quietly.

That's what we've been talking about. We were going to leave it all out there here today. Of course, from the coach side of it, now you're lucky to say, well, that's the standard. Like, that's where we've been trying to get to. That is what's required. So we can't have any let-up in that regard. But, yeah, I thought everybody played hard here today.

It's another close game. It turns out that Willie and Mitch end up getting the goals for us, and that's huge. But no matter who ends up putting the puck over the line, we have to play a team game, and I thought that we did that here today. In 2017-18 and 2018-19, the Tampa Bay Lightning lead the NHL in goals, go into the postseason and get mopped.

You know, they lose in round one, and it's because they just didn't defend at all. They change and they become the best defensive team in playoffs the next few years, and they go to the cup final. This, to me, is the Leafs. They used to be a very good run-and-gun team, one of the best offenses in the NHL. This version of them last night, how they played against

Tampa is a much more playoff able defense. Didn't they have that stretch without Morgan Riley where you went, holy moly, you can't get to the middle of the ice. And when you do, it's blocked. That's what it looked like last night. I've heard that comparison from a lot of people during their best run

this year. Now if you got Morgan going and skating well and picking his spots, and you have that element of a group defense, now can you rally around that? Which is why we started the show being like, if it's 2-2, you feel great. It's just that there's no room for error. And, you know, I don't know about you guys, but there's a lot of guys I haven't liked.

Even last night. Like, I thought McCabe last night, Kip, I thought he was bad. Listen, he's struggled. Yeah, I think his confidence has been shook since he threw the big hits, got scored on, and people went, maybe don't do that. And now he's kind of caught between. Go, don't do that. And now he's kind of caught between. Go, don't go. And once again, I thought Shen was able to buy some others some time to get it going.

Shen, by defensive metrics, only Jacob Slavin has been better defensively, like goals against per 60. It's like Slavin-Shen in the playoffs. So it's been heart and chart? Yes. That's insane. Yeah. And he made potentially a season-saving play.

That'll be a highlight if the Leafs ever do something. That was Verhege. For some reason, I was saying Barkov the last little while, but it was Verhege who's got a terrific shot and chose to take one more step around him. And just a perfectly timed uh just the mere fact that he's there yeah trying to block the shot still big enough guy to reach and get a stick and then it hops and gets out of the zone yeah it was just like i mean it's a game changer

essentially so yeah good good that they have some people going um you know but the the d pretty good hall leads the team in time on ice last night or the d for time on ice good hall yeah we got the good one for that's a good hall for one night that makes a big difference to their defending just the only question is now they've scored two goals six straight games you know i'm not worried about the d anymore it's like can they score oh my goodness that's can you imagine you asking that question in like a few months ago? Yeah. That that would be an issue?

If I said they played six playoff games and couldn't get to three goals. Well, how about two weeks ago? They scored five every game against the Lightning. It's really flipped here. But if I can go down the old hope road here for a second. Whoa. The thing that does potentially give me hope. Is a breakout game.

Exactly. Just one where they score five. That has to be Friday night. Eventually, Bobrovsky's not going to be all world. He's been one of the most inconsistent goalies in the world. He's hot, cold as they come. Maybe Friday night's the one where four or five go past him and they start to kind of have self-doubt.

If I'm going down the Hope Road, that's the bike I'm riding on. Maybe. I'd rather hang my hat on not that, to be honest with you. And I'm not saying that it can't happen, but people got to stop leaning towards that and just start focusing on more process, which they were process-driven last night for me. I look at goal scoring and, you know,

some people want to sit there and say, okay, the core four going into last night, they just only have one job, and that's to put the puck in the net. It's not true. That's the end result, but they were more process driven for me.

I'd rather focus on the process again Friday night than, oh, let's just hope Bobrovsky becomes the old Bobrovsky. I'm saying both things can be true here. No different than they can go okay, it's Joseph Wall.

Come on. I mean, he's a rookie. He's never been there before. He's going to crack. Like it's almost that there's two ways you can look at it here and I don't think Joseph Wall's going to crack and I don't think that Bobrovsky's going to fall off the face of the earth.

Both may happen, but again, we're into that probable or impossible. Yeah. Yeah, you know, so much of this now is like, you know, you play pretty much the same game you've played, and you get a couple of bounces last game. You know, what side are you going to be on come Friday and Saturday or Sunday night? It's just a matter of playing that same game and sticking to it, last game you know what side are you going to be on come come friday and saturday or sunday night it's just a matter of playing that same game and sticking to it and that's what i was talking about

at the top of the show about zero zero is not losing you are not falling behind by staying and being content i've talked about that a lot in these playoffs being comfortable in close games and being content and patient and waiting for the chances that florida will give you aaron ekblad's defensive statistics this year however this playoff season he's been pretty good but these guys will wear down mark stall gudis ekblad you know you're gonna get chances it's the process you're talking about being content anyway we also have keith on the mentality and you think that austin matthews might shoot a couple in the net at some point too that is very likely to happen so you got four three more games here hopefully you know if you can get three goals out of them in the next few games you have austin

matthews okay you want more you want absolutely what uh offense like i know he's been really good forget about end result though like what is it that's going to help him put the puck in the net sammy is it being a little bit more intense it just feels like he's not the same in terms of his offensive how dynamite how dynamite he usually is offensively it just doesn't seem like it's there where he gets like a rush like last night he's on that rush with yarn croc he's kind of caught between if you remember it but yarn crocs open he's like he's yarn croc i'm matthews i'm gonna keep this but he doesn't really get to a spot i see the exact same thing you do yeah for me it's he's really turned himself into a predictable hockey player where it's, there's sometimes he's over the blue line,

his head's buried, and he has, nobody in the building, especially Bobrovsky, thinks that he's going to pass the puck. The shot's coming. I think he's lost a little bit of a dimension here in terms of unpredictability. I do think that's lost a little bit of a dimension here in terms of unpredictability. I do think that's actually an interesting thought, that he is somewhat predictable. Yeah, I mean, it's not like Jaron Kroc's a goal scorer.

Marner's not a natural shooter. Like, it's not like there's, you know, someone he's going to give it to. You look at some of the top lines around the league that have, you know, whether Colorado last year, you got McKinnon and Rantanen or, you know, some of last year you got mckinnon and ranting in or you know some of the you know having a couple of shooters it is it's an interesting thought for sure trying like what i've noticed in the back half is how many wraparounds he tries you almost

scored on one last night yeah well he's tried he's had like 20 in the last two months and they're still highly unlikely yeah uh but to me those at times are really forced when he's big and strong enough where he can maybe take a next step or move the puck up high or start a different rotation just seems like he's forcing things so much right now including his shots do you think it it looks at all like injury it's not my theory i know bunk uh kind of thought that a little bit bx had brought that up on the panel too maybe a couple of days ago it does seem to be so i hate that because if you go back and look at people talking about the leafs every playoff loss over the past whatever someone hypothesizes about injuries that aren't there but there's just been a few moments where you're like god he usually gets a little something more on that or whatever so yeah you

know for me i think he's done a lot of good thing he wins pucks um you know defends well block shots all i think he's been good but the offensive absence of like okay he's taking it over you know like i i've still been waiting for that sometimes just the end of the game another hit hard hit on morgan riley how were you guys how did you see the the whole thing unfolding at the end of the game loved the response yeah leaf said two guys that will do something right mccabe and achari happy to be in there and throw punches i thought good on their part you know marner gets wrangled by kachuk they obviously know each other how excited was sam no sam bennett oh yeah sam bennett just lives for that exact moment he went flying in there jumps on top yeah those are just free

they look at it and say the game's over it's a freebie and he's superman punching mccabe in the face while he's like lying there on the ice bang bang marner doing his best matthews impression smiling after getting punched punched in the face. That was interesting. All right, we're going to sneak in the mentality that Keefe has on moving forward here after this win. Yeah. Well, you certainly enjoy it in the room, you know.

By the time we come out here, by the time we get on the bus, you know this is just one. You know, we've got a long way to go here. And we're certainly not satisfied and it certainly won't get any easier. But the job and the challenge that we had here today, the guys met and got it done.

And now we get to bring it back to Toronto and we have to have another same type of effort. Now the challenge is to bring it back here. We want to build positive momentum. I think we've done that here tonight. We want to bring it back to Toronto, and you want to make the opposition a little bit uncomfortable.

They've got to pack their stuff and fly to Toronto tomorrow, so we've done that. Now we need to work towards bringing it back here. Oh, yeah. Pack the bags. We're taking you with us. It's a depressing one. You pack your bags, go into the rink that night, probably, if you're Florida. I just hope that

the guys, obviously, it's led by the core four, but the whole roster knows that you're going to be 30 seconds into Friday night's first shift. And game five, or or game four is just a distant memory. You are right into what have you done for me, not lately,

the last 30 seconds. Yeah, you can get boot off the ice again, no problem. It's like you're not out of the woods by any stretch here. But I love that now it's bang bang bang in terms of games every other night like if they were to go on a run you know you have the you know young goalie is like a clear turning point yeah all of a sudden there's no more three day gaps and you get the chance to just bang bang bang these so friday nights big one so you're telling me there's a chance. Oh, boy. Yeah. Oh, boy.

Sammy is now. And no changes? No Samsonov? No Nyes? You want to get to a couple clips on those guys? It's just an update on both. So we'll go to Samsonov. Okay.

Maybe I didn't put those clips in. Here's the update he's uh not playing yeah samson yeah and nize feels better hasn't skated hasn't skated what do you do if uh if you're in a six or seven predicament he goes in the hockey game yeah he does go in the hockey game. Yeah, he does go in the hockey game. Yeah. I do a better job of protecting his minutes, though. Yeah, good point. I wouldn't thrust him back on with Marner and Matthews. Now, I don't know. You know how I feel about that. I'd probably just keep him away from the old butcher, Bennett.

Yeah. Then you feel better about it. It's crazy, right? Because, like, it's. They could still use him. Yeah, you don't want to put a guy in a bad spot by any means. But if he's cleared. Yes.

I mean, he's one of their best. I think he just. Yeah. You just find a way to kind of get him in the rotation. And depending on how the game goes or how pressed you are. If you're up to him, maybe he doesn't have to play. You move him up the lineup. But there's no question that he's proved that his game could help them right now.

But obviously that for me, you're, you're looking at six, if not seven for him, if he feels right. Yeah. But you gotta, your, your first thought is protecting the kid.

You want him to play for you for 10, 15 years. Yeah. That's the logical, correct answer. Yeah. Samsonov's MRI was negative. He does not have any...

He's day-to-day. So the assumption is just really sore. And maybe he'll be available. If he's available game six, he's healthy. Wolves won you two games. Buddy, have a seat.

After Samson, I was going to 920 all year. We're going to walk and wall with Joseph. Have a seat. Walk and wall, baby. Or go home. After all, you're my wonderwall. I'm going to

sing as well as I do. All right. Sam, are you ready for some picks? Yeah. It's time for Playoff Picks, fellas, presented by Bet365. You can visit the app for the latest odds. We're going to get into the Golden Knights and Oilers a little bit later. But I was surprised to see that the Golden Knights are a pretty big underdog now in the series.

They're up to plus 145. Yeah, I guess maybe it has to do with Aiden Hill and that, Golden Knights are a pretty big underdog now in the series. They're up to plus 145. Really? Yeah, I guess maybe it has to do with Aiden Hill and that. And their best goal or defenseman not being available? Yeah, but that was before anything was announced. But they're probably just assuming that he may be out for a couple games. Yeah, so it's plus 145 for the Knights to win the rest of the series. They still have the home ice advantage.

Pretty good value to me if you think that Vegas still has a chance in that. They won the division like 115 points or something. Yeah, so I just, and if you're betting on that, you just really hope that Jonathan Quick doesn't get in any of these games. I think the Oilers win, but I think that's a good bet. Okay. Just on that series, for those of you noting how that game ended, Darnell Nurse has been suspended for the next game,

one game for his game misconduct, instigator, and a game misconduct under five minutes to go to end a hockey game. So arbitrary. Jay Woodcroft has been fined ten thousand dollars sometimes we see that that penalty being rescinded with a change of heart on the call which is not uncommon in the past with a change of heart on the call like could they call the ref today and be like hey stripes they can They can take away the game misconduct. Huh.

Yeah. You've never heard that? I guess I have. It's just crazy to me that some guy could just change his mind and go, ah, you know what? Ah. You're fine.

Ah, you scamp. You're fine. Go on. You. So apparently Mark Stone said after the game that Nick Haig asked for the fight before the face-off oh no mark stone that's not helping so you thought maybe that might go into the into the decision-making process or whatever but i would be submitting that as evidence your honor

yeah i know they were waiting on vegas to return to have a hearing on Petrangelo's slash on dry sidles. So if that hasn't happened, it's going to happen really soon. Yeah. Okay. With the announcement of Darnell Nurse being suspended for one game on his game misconduct, there's no question that he's going to get hit with a one game suspension as well. Petro. Yes.

Yeah. So then it kind of balances out. But it doesn't balance out, right? I'm just telling you that's. Are we fitting in our Petro talk here? No, let's, let's, I got a couple other things. We'll go to break. We'll get into that slash a little later, but just to, that's,

that's the feeling out there. To quote Wes McCauley, you can't do that. Can't do that. Last couple of things here for you quickly. Carolina looking to close out the Devils tonight on home ice. Just a better team. And I like the minus a goal and a half, so that means they have to win by two. And over the total at five and a half, which has been a lock in this series,

that parlay pays plus 425. Dallas back at home tonight. I like a Joel Pavelski goal anytime. Plus 145. If you want to parlay that with a Stars win, you can get that to 210. Plus 210. So Carolina Hurricanes win 4-2 tonight. You win. Plus 425. There you go.

So that was playoff picks presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds, fellas. After the break, Gord Stelik, Leaf Nation pre and post, former general manager. We'll hear where Gordo is on his hopo meter. All right.

Let's do it. All right. After the break, more on the Real Kipper and Bourne Show. Nobody move. Nobody move. Where are you, precious? Do we? Everyone just remain seated.

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Now let's go to a guy who should be on Team Beat magazine covers. Gord Stelic. Gordo? I love the Stelic-tricity. I love the still electricity. I love it. Love it. Hey, now, do I have to get hooked up to the Hopal meter? Like, is that like a lie detector test?

Like, how does that work? Pretty much. Yeah. So where are you on the Hopal meter? By the way, I do remember Tiger Beat magazine. I don't think Justin Bourne does. And, you know, the Osmonds and all that were. And there was a group called the DeFranco family that were the Canadians version out of Welland, Ontario,

that would be on it. But I digress. At one time, they put John Candy on the cover of Teen Beat or Tiger Beat Magazine. Okay. He would be good. He would be good. There was an owl magazine that was like those.

I have no idea what's going on here. Okay, Hopemeter, give it to me. Okay, out of 10. Five out of 10, the Leafs win it all. If they win tomorrow, it's a seven out of 10. And if they win game six, it's like a nine out of 10. I got a five out of 10 chance right now, winning three in a row. That was for the series, to be clear.

You said win it all, and I was like, okay, for the series, okay. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, so 5 out of 10. 5 out of 10. Why is it only – Only? What 50% do you think would be the reason why they would lose tomorrow night? Tomorrow night's the key, Kipper and Justin,

in that I don't know what it is about teams struggling on home ice everybody throughout the playoffs, especially the Leafs. If they can't take advantage of the home ice tomorrow and they're not quite out of the woods yet in that, the loss in four, which would have been devastating. Now, if you lose in five and get the crap boot out of you and home ice because you lose poorly, you're kind of almost still in that boat.

I just think that tomorrow is the key, and if they get by that, then I really like their chances. That's why my hopometer, really the hopometer's weighted towards that game. After that, I feel pretty good. This has been a playoff of momentum. Florida did it to the Boston Bruins. The Devils did it to the New York Rangers.

It seems like once you seize momentum in a big way, if you keep playing the way you got it, you can take it and run with it. And that's where I'm looking at this. Gordo, what do you make of the Maple Leafs scoring two goals in six straight games given their offensive ability? Like they showed that they can defend in all that last game, but what's going on with that offense? Yeah, not good enough.

Not good enough. I mean, you know, you look at the Carolina Hurricanes, what they're doing without Tara Vining and Svetchnikov, I don't quite put Pat Sharedi in the same mix because he was a bonus add-on. He was just there for a couple of games, but other guys like Martin Kanat are finding the scoring. So, Justin, what is it, six games in a row uh scoring two goals uh the only way you can win is like you did last night two one and that's again when i talk about the hope of beater i'm

saying on friday okay now that again these new shackles that got created in this round you've kind of released them to some degree can you release the offense a bit more i mean we we want to give florida all kinds of credit about the way they've playing being aggressive checking hard the leafs actually did that last night as well when you pass up on a four on one and you can you got a no hope a shot up come on like you know these are the kind of things that i don't know i don't like are they uptight or what may be but they just don't have that that kind of that natural fluidity but you so you get lucky last night. You get

a fortuitous bounce, Nylander puts it in, and you get not a highlight real goal by Mitch Marner, who scored a ton of highlight real goals. So maybe just maybe that'll break the logjam. You know, earlier in the show, Gordo, our Sammy was still hoping out

that Bobrovsky would act like Bobrovsky at some point in this series and and fall off the uh the face of the earth here uh on the other side there's a lot of people that uh have not lost sleep over Joseph Wall coming in and taking over for Samsonov here and not a lot of evidence to support a theory that, you know, he can close this thing out. What is it about him that has so many people believing that he can do this? By the way, do you have like a 24 seven medical, someone in attendance for Sammy?

Yes. Sis Boomba and Derek are back there. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Good. Good. Anyway, they got basic first aid. Sammy, oh boy, oh boy. Hey, you know, the goaltending was the one question mark all season long, just about playing well in the regular season, but they rolled the dice in the summer, unproven playoff goaltender,

and here you got the forwards not scoring. You had the D, like Brody, being uncharacteristically ordinary. Giordano struggling. I'm talking before last night. Justin Hall having a terrible time, and the goaltending, whether it's Samsonoff and especially, you know, Justin Wall coming through. And, you know, I met the guy back in the Austin Matthews draft the second day. Very impressive.

I know, Justin, you would have met him as well and Kipper. But just, you know, he just was a really sharp. I really, he made an impression on me. That doesn't mean you're going to stop. My mom makes an impression on me, but I wouldn't put her in goal right now for the Toronto Maple Leafs. But, you know, I, I really liked his whole makeup, department, you name it. And what I've liked this year is they've, they haven't had a young goaltender up based on merit.

Basically it's been next guy up where he's short of body. And then watching him play for the toronto marlies this year he's battled so many injuries so the statistics are there but it's more it's more the eyeball test and even whatever the eight games or whatever number he played in the regular season that's the part i really really like you know beyond the statistics and that's been great that he's been able to do it in this almost almost two full games and it's nice that they gave him some support i think i think guys that's what was really disturbing in game number three that you got this guy coming in he makes a huge save early on and then you don't give him any support

the kind of support you gave him last night and that's the part that was really perplexing and distressing if you were a Leaf fan but it's it's it's it's nice to have a young goaltender being developed from within playing so well. One of the major struggles going after game one looked to be the handling of the Chuck Bennett-Cousins line. They've been pretty quiet offensively. They have two goals through four games between them, but they are a force physically, aren't they? What do you make of that line and

how toronto's handled them after the first game of the series yeah that last part there justin again it goes back every year the maple leafs have chosen not to be a force physically now this year they added like achari and a few things like that a few more components i mean luke shen man what he's been a real real plus but i think, to your point, that they have not had the statistics, but they played a very effective brand of hockey. They're really the whole of the Florida Panthers have, especially before last night's game. Leafs couldn't get out of their zone.

I mean, all of a sudden, one reason the forwards weren't going, you're not scoring, is you couldn't get out of your zone cleanly because of the aggressive forechecking of the Panthers. Early in game three, they were trying, we were trying some of the long passes that seemed to work for a bit, but you know, that's been a big part of it. They played that brand of that, that style, but all of a sudden now it's funny. You know, now it's some of the big leaf guns got some goals.

It's Matthew Kachuk hasn't got on the score scorecard and that he's drawing. I wouldn't say criticism, but just, okay. A little bit more expectation there in Florida, but I think they've team concept wise, they've played't say criticism, but just, okay, a little bit more expectation there in Florida. But I think team concept-wise, they've played the kind of, you know, what they brought Paul Maurice in for. They said they needed to play a different, a more better-suited playoff style of hockey after winning the President's Trophy. And they had a bit of an uneven regular season,

but they got that style together at the right time. In a lot of ways, it kind of mirrors what's been a criticism of the Toronto Maple Leafs over the years about not having as good a playoff style hub hockey as they have in the regular season. Gord, are you comfortable with the Leafs defensive group, seven of them? Questionable whether Giordano is going to be in the lineup or not, but I mentioned the extra day looking like it really benefited them. What did you see out of that blue line last night that you didn't see in the first three games?

Yeah, you know, I really wondered about that extra day as well, Kip. I thought it might be a negative. Like there's nothing more of a drag than being on the road and another loss and another day to kind of get it rehashed and all that. What I saw, Kipper, the compete factor. The compete factor that this team, you know, this team had a hell of a regular season. And, you know, and there was a lot of compete and there's a lot of willingness. There's a lot of guys that, you know, really play hard and try hard.

And to not see it the first three games. And Sheldon Keith, I think it was after game two, called it baffling. And join me in the club, like to be that baffled, to do things you don't normally do. And it started with just the, to me, the lack of compete, the lack of wanting to win the one-on-one battles. And, you know, and that was, I mentioned earlier that, you know, TJ Brody's been a steady D. Man, he was, he was, he struggled the first three games. He was very ordinary.

And a lot of the other D were as well. Justin Hall had a terrible time. And so I just saw that last night, keeping the play to the outside. What were they talking about? Two shots, a five-on-five from the scoring chances in total for the Florida Panthers. And you really saw the commitment to get their body in front, the stick in front. All those kind of things that I didn't see the first three games. You know, as they head into this, you know, crucial

fifth game for this series, how much do you think reputations, and not so much reputations, but I guess careers are on the line at this point. We talked about saving face going into last night. You know, is everyone going to get fired if they lose this game?

How many games do they have to win before people go boy game what of that round maybe they should run it back is that even possible to get there again you know that's funny because that's a great question justin i don't know does if they go to seven does that do it and because i don't know because if it was a hard-fought series that was two one after three like most like most series are, you know, that would be a little bit different. And also, we'd be learning about the Florida Panthers then. Like, at that point, we're just so disappointed in the Leafs play that you say, wait a sec, this is a Panther team that was the President Trophy

winners. They added Matthew Kachuk, you know, whatever. Now, we're kind of doing this a little bit on the later side. But, you know, it's funny, Justin, sitting with people watching the game, they're like, blow it up. Let's do a rebuild. And I'm going, do you know what a rebuild entails? I don't care. It's absurd.

When the season ends, it's not like, okay, everyone's gone right away. There certainly is. I have no idea what they think about the president, the general manager, the coach. Obviously, if it ends poorly, one or all three of them could very well be, you know, could pay the price. I don't know. But on the other side, okay, you say, oh, let's trade Neal.

They've got to trade one of the core four. Well, two of them are unrestricted free agents in a year. You're not going to trade Mitch Marner. You know, John Tavares is untradeable. Like, you know, okay, maybe Nealander if that placates you. You know, but with a year left on a deal, it's not a so whatever. It's not the solution. I think one thing I do

like, and don't get me wrong, it's not placating me nor should it anybody else about these playoffs. They got Joe Wall and Goal, and they got Matthew Nyes as forwards. They got two blue-chip players on entry-level contracts which provide some cap relief for Kyle Dubas or whoever the general manager is.

I mean, that's a positive moving forward. But, you know, like I said afterwards, like if you – I just can't, Justin and Kipper, today, thank God we're not listening to the dribble again. And it's not the guy saying it. It's I can't – please don't – please, please don't give me the process. Don't give me, oh, I'm sorry, social media, our players are taking – oh, please, stop, stop, It's I can't. Please, please, please don't give me the process. Don't give me. Oh, I'm sorry. Social media are players to take. Oh, please stop.

Stop. Stop. I can't take that anymore. Like, let's let's. And maybe if I have a criticism in the past, I don't think they were held more accountable in the summertime in the offseason. You know, I don't mean they should get skewered, but I think they were kind of given an easy pass that, oh, well, these things happen in the playoffs.

It's a process we're learning. No, they don't happen in the playoffs. that's why they happen again okay and that's where it's got to stop that's all i can tell you so whenever the post game pressing is going to be the same dribble count me out i'll be sitting with a tiger beat magazine i got one autographed by bobby sherman kipper and that's what i'll be doing okay these guys These guys don't know who Bobby Sherman is. I know Tiger Beat Magazine, I'm pretty sure, but Bobby Sherman, I got nothing. Hey, little woman's a song, you know. Is the tank named after him?

Hey, Gord, by chance they get on a little mini streak here and you are into a game six or game seven. Where would you be on how difficult the decision would be to put Matthew Nyes back in? Oh, I'd put him back in a heartbeat if he's cleared to play. I was one of the people very cautious. Stop expecting a guy coming out of college to be the difference maker in the playoffs.

And I still believe that because it's got to be your big guns to do it. But, man, he is just really – like his play when he saved that goal, right? They're down by three, so it looked like a play that was a great play that wouldn't matter against Tampa Bay. You know, when he went the extra mile. Well, they win that game. They tie and win it, and they're not here if that play doesn't happen.

So if he is ready to go, that's about the only must lineup change. I mean, I don't get excited about the 18th and 17th players and all that. You know, I know, Kippy, that was you for a big part of your career, so sorry about that. But anyway, you know, I just sort of trust what Sheldon does. I didn't mean that as a slight. I just meant, like, whatever Sheldon's feel is.

But that one, Matthew Nyes, is the guy that I'd have to get back in the lineup. Yeah, I've taken a 180 on 11 and 7. You're fine with it? Yes, I am. Just for the mere fact that I think you get your stars a lot more engaged. I like the chance to be like, okay, Matthew's in Marner. You get Nylander for a shift.

You get O'Reilly for a shift. I've enjoyed that, Gord. You feel the same way? No, no. Come on. You can do that, Gord. You feel the same way? No, no. Come on. You can do that anyway. It's not house league, okay? The parents aren't calling after each shift.

My fourth-line boy didn't get on. I don't get that. Taking the coaches to do whatever they want. You know, mix it up, double shift, play them more. Of course, you do that in the playoffs. So, I'm not against. I'm still not big on 11-7. No.

Like it. Gord, you're on fire today. You got a beat going right through your chest right now. Well, I'm heading to the tennis court right from here, Kippy, so it's mixed doubles too, so

it could be my wife Lisa and Kelly Hyatt that are going to endure my wrath. Alright, just a fair warning to the cricket club. Have the paddles ready. Well, make sure you have some for Sammy too, okay? Okay, we will. Gord Stelic, everybody. Thanks, Gordo. Leaf Nation pre and post.

Former general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Knows his stuff. Yeah, good stuff, Gordo. Alright. Do we get through all our clips, boys? We have worked our way through all our clips, yeah. We got them all. One of Mark Savard's greatest shows,

he used to do the Leafs Nation postgame. He did it for a year, and I worked closely with him and Gordo, and he always chirped Gordo for playing tennis, and instead of calling it doubles tennis, he'd always be like, are you playing triples tennis, Gordo? I can't imagine Gordo playing tennis. I love the guy. Fully entertaining.

He's good. Have you played with him? Yeah, I've seen him. Have you played him? I don't know if I've ever played him. We were members. I'm no longer a member there, but at the same tennis court. You're a tennis guy?

I played a little bit. Yeah? Yeah. You? You know played a little bit. Yeah? Yeah. You? You know, a little. I have a racket and play once in a while, but once a summer I'll play. I love it.

Oh, I went through a stretch where it was my Wimbledon watching days with Borg and Macaro. Yeah, only wearing white. That era, the inseam on your up the inseam on your shorts is three inches in that era that ball was out yes and then yeah i i don't really like watching tennis no no it's i i might offend some tennis fans here but i really feel like you kind of just you've seen one you've them all. It's kind of the same thing. There's some nights during the regular season I think I'm watching tennis in a hockey game.

Yeah, that's fair. But, you know, if it's a big high stakes thing where guys are going to break a record or there's a Canadian involved in a final, I'll get up for it. But outside of that, I just really can't care. And I'm sorry to our boy Devang who does all our social media here who absolutely loves tennis. I like watching, but it's got to be people I know. So that's 12 people. And our Canadians have never been better.

Yeah, we've got a lot of good Canadians. We're producing. Yeah, we've got good Canadians. One of them's going to break through again. Bianca Andrescu literally beat Serena Williams at the U.S. Open in the final. So that's tough to top when it comes to Canadian tennis. We're doing okay. Yeah, that's good. To quote our boy. So that's tough to top when it comes to Canadian tennis. We're doing okay. Yeah, that's good.

To quote our boy. You guys got all your tennis talk out of the way here. Buddy, this is the most tennis I've ever done on the radio. Now you want to talk sports that I play. Ping pong. Let's go. There's a table up on the fifth floor. I'll be up there after the show.

Oh, my God. Let's go. Now is a good time to go to break. Okay. Kevin Lowe, six-time Stanley Cup champion, Hall of Famer. We'll discuss oil in Vegas, a couple of suspensions. Texas tea, great slot machine.

Big slash. What's it going to get, Petrangelo? Also want to talk to him about an extra day off he had to help us win the Stanley Cup in 1994 and what it meant to him and what it meant to the Toronto Maple Leafs last night. Kevin Lowe, after the break, we know you're watching and listening. Give us a thumbs up on YouTube and give us a rating and review.

We'd love to hear from you. More after these words. Breaking down the biggest trends in hockey. The Hockey PDO Cast with Dmitry Filipovich. Be sure to subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Real Kipper and Born on Sportsnet 590 The Van. Love talking to our next guest kevin lowe six-time stanley cup champion and a guy that knows all too well what it's like to play this time of year and the emotions and the battles especially the one that we're seeing between the Oilers and the Vegas Golden

Knights. Lozi, how are you, pal? Hey, Kip. I'm doing great. Feeling better today than I did Tuesday morning after that debacle on Monday at Edmonton. But it's a very entertaining series and great to see some heavy hockey. Heavy hockey, emotional hockey, Losey, and one that ended up going to the league office after the game.

And I'm watching it. And Petrangelo, obviously, a ton of emotion towards Dreisaitl. I see this slash. And, you know, my first thought is, what's the big deal? I'd see three of those out of Kevin Lowe when he played. Maybe not quite so obvious, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think the nurse one was hard to avoid, although it wasn't really a terrible instigator, you know,

but he did have his gloves off before he went in there. I think the league probably had no choice. It would be interesting to see what they do with Petrangelo because although I don't think he hit him all that hard, I think just the optics doesn't look very good for the game of hockey, what he did. I don't know what he was thinking.

He obviously was trying to send a bit of a message, but I don't think he picked the right stage to do it no he's um he's been an interesting guy for me in this series because he's obviously a talented guy an important guy for vegas but you know how much credit do you give evander kane uh for getting under his skin the guy seemed to be playing hockey on tilt a little bit here. Well, Evander, I mean, what a blessing he's been for the organization since he's come to Edmonton. He's exactly, Jason, what the team needed. A guy that could play the game at a high level, could also play on the edge a bit, play a physical type of game.

He's taken some penalties in the playoffs and he probably regrets but but overall uh he's given the Oilers a new dynamic that's uh really given the organization a look like they can win a Stanley Cup you know Losey with your six Stanley Cups uh you know this as well as anyone but maybe you can reiterate to the to the listeners i mean that that fine line between sometimes uh pushing and and and and not pushing and biting your lip and turning the other cheek or taking a number or waiting for a better opportune time to to equal uh or at least uh send a message and that has to equal or at least send a message. And that has to be a constant this time of year, does it not? No question.

It was one of our golden rules of the playoffs, you know, initiate, do not retaliate. And it's tough, you know, when your reaction is you're in a high-pressured moment and it's physical and some guy gives you a cheap shot to not want to lash out at the person, but the consequences can be just so darn devastating for the team. And you learn that over time, you know.

The golden rule is very simple. Get the puck out, get it in, finish your checks, initiate, don't retaliate, and stay out of the penalty box. And when you have talent, you know, like the Oilers do, you play a good system and you abide by those golden rules, it's a recipe to win a cup. Well, you know, you don't want to be taking penalties against that Edmonton Oilers team.

What an unbelievable power play this year. Over 32% in the post season i think they're still at about 50 percent what do you see that makes them i know mcdavid is out there but what is it that makes that power play just so unbelievably unique well yeah if you compare it to the orders of the 80s have never got to that level of production i would say the biggest say the biggest difference is discipline. When I say discipline, I mean their power play is very choreographed. You know, they have a bunch of selections that they have.

They support one another greatly. They never try to throw any sort of gambling passes unless it's for a scoring chance. So they rarely give it up. They enter, I don't know what their percentage of entries with Connor carrying the puck or Leon, but they enter at a high percentage rate and they don't turn the puck over.

And it's hard for the penalty-killing team. You know, they don't want to attack them because they don't want to get out of position, so they have to be a little more passive. And eventually they're going to get a good shot option. And now with Bouchard hammering the puck the way he did, Tyson Berry was a very good power play quarterback for the Oilers, but he didn't quite have the shot that Bouchard has.

And now that's another option that's just, you know, taking them to another level. You know, the other thing for me, and we watched a pretty good power play all season long in Toronto, but it's the ability for me that I see the Oilers of disguising and, you know, much like anything else, if you have a tell, you give an opportunity to your opponent to read it and maybe get a jump on it whether you're a goaltender or someone that's going to block a shot but they're so they're so good at

disguising their next move or their next pass or the next shot yeah no question i mean you got you got Dreisaitl and Connor McDavid, two of the best players in the world. And then it's a step down. It's Ryan Nugent Hopkins, who's a darn good player in his own right. And then you got Zach Hyman, who's a perfect net front guy, who gives good screens, can play the bumper, can bang in a rebound. And then now Bouchard on the point.

It's a devastating group, no doubt. I doubt we'll ever see these kind of numbers again. They're just really at a level where they've got total comfort with one another. They're playing with house money now. You know, they go in and there's not much pressure on them to have to. I mean, they could go 0-20 and still have maybe one of the best power plays in the history of the NHL in the playoffs. So not that they want to, you know, not that they're going to do that or anything,

but they're just really got a lot of mojo right now and it's fun to watch. Kevin, I think you know my dad is Bob Bourne born played on the islanders teams back in the day and um you know we were talking about this leafs team that we're watching all the time and he said you know one thing it reminded him of with the superstars is that when all al al arbor wanted to do when their team played the the oilers was beat the hell out of gretzky he said that was the only thing he cared about our team doing when they would get in those finals and trying to make life hard on the superstars. I wonder if over your time with the Oilers, you have experience seeing all-stars like Gretzky or whoever

struggling a little bit in the playoffs, maybe some media backlash. It feels like it happens to a lot of the great players. It gets harder and maybe they don't produce at the same rate at first before breaking through. What are your thoughts on these guys kind of going through that process here in Toronto? Well, first of all, your dad was a great player. He was a big part of those championship teams.

And I know all too well it certainly takes the stars, but it takes players like your dad to win four Cups in four years. And he's right. No doubt the good teams in the playoffs target the Stars. And, you know, it all has to be done within the rules of the game. But there's much more attention put on the Stars, and they've got to learn to suck it up. They've got to learn

to play a little heavier hockey. They've got to learn to even see Leon a few times in the playoffs dry saddle. He's retaliated, and that's the worst thing he can do as a Star, is because then the other team knows they have you.

So I saw it happen a lot to Wayne. I mean, I saw it happen to Wayne as a teammate, and then I saw it happen to Wayne as an opponent when Esa Tickenham was chasing him all over the ice when he played for the Kings and we played for the Oilers. But, you know, the great players find a way. At the end of the day, the ultimate goal is the Stanley Cup. And, you know, they've really got to keep that in mind when they play.

And just, I mean, listen, I'm not cheering for the Leafs, but I was happy to see them win last night. I was happy to see Meyers score a goal. They're great players, and they're learning on the fly. And, you know, I hope that they can have success. I'd love to see an all-Canadian final. There's a few people under this roof that'll probably... I'd go over well here.

Yeah, we'd go okay here as well, Losey. Speaking of the Leafs, we were talking being down 3-0 and then having that extra day to maybe just recuperate a little bit more and come up with maybe another day of thinking about what needs to change going into game four. I kind of related it a little bit to our Stanley Cup final when we were up 3-1 and then found ourselves 3-3 and we had the extra day off.

And what it meant to maybe even a guy like you. Well, it meant a lot to me because I was 35 years old and just playing, we were playing in our second game seven in back-to-back series. Yeah. It made all the difference in the world. And, and I think it'll be helpful to the Leafs, no question, given time to, you know, digest the win and, and not, you know, and, and forget about it and get rested up. I believe there's

a better team. God bless the Panthers. They're playing lights out. I'd put big money on the Leafs winning tomorrow night and I think the extra day off will help them. Last one for me. Just want to get your thoughts on Leon. You mentioned him retaliating. Just a guy who rises up in the playoffs,

statistically up there with some of the greats in terms of points in his first however many playoff games. Have you seen, how do you compare what he does in the playoffs to some of the great playoff players of your own playing days? Wow, it's, yeah, what numbers he has. You know, he's only second behind Gretzky just ahead of Ariel Lemieux. And if there's anything he can be proud of is performing in the playoffs. And he's doing it so unbelievably.

He's a big, strong guy. He's a fiery guy. And I think the knock on players, the bigger players, I think of Frank Mahalvich and big stars in the past that sometimes in the regular season would be, the fans would get on them a little bit about not maybe looking like they're not giving it their all. And I'm not suggesting that Leon does that, but sometimes he seems to be a little disinterested in a regular season game but

he certainly knows playoffs i know he wants to win a cup bad and uh i mean the numbers are just i mean they're ridiculous but uh i really hope uh i hope these guys i know they're going to come out tomorrow night in in in vegas and and uh it's going to be a great game but i i i think they're the better team and i think they should go on to the semi-finals one more for me losey before we let you go um and you know hockey night in canada does a terrific job when it comes to uh you know maple leaf square and the oilers watch party where they constantly go out and they you see these massive crowds and i'm just just wondering what that scene would mean to you and if you ever envision seeing something like that maybe 25 years ago and what it means

to the community. It's so fantastic for the community. I mean, the game of hockey, you know, as Canadians, we're so blessed to have it as a sport that the country's fond of i mean playoffs are always so exciting i remember as a kid you know sitting in the basement watching the montreal canadians and the boston brunes and couldn't wait to go out and play a little street street hockey after the game and and now um you know watching it i think you know even though we didn't have the big watch parties outside the building you know i recall kip we we'd land at four o'clock in the

morning from some u.s city and there'd be a thousand fans at the airport cheering us on you know as um you know edmonton's always of course everybody knows about the leafs world and and and their loyal fans and it's it's's no different out here in Edmonton. It's really good to see. It's growing the game, you know, when you get not all the people, unfortunately, can afford to go to the games or get a ticket because the demand's so high, but at least when they're around the building and they're feeling a part of it amongst a group at a fun time of the year,

it's really good for the game. Well, hopefully we can see a few more between now and, I don't know, mid-June. How's that? Yeah, yeah. Fingers crossed. That would be great. It's time. We need to bring the Cup back to Canada.

All right, Losey. You did it six times or five times anyways in Edmonton. Thank goodness for one south of the border with me. Yeah, you appreciate that one. I appreciate that one too. Kevin Lowe, thanks for doing this, pal. Okay, guys. Good chatting.

Thanks so much. You too. Oh, my God. He played the game so hard. And he's a little string bean too. Is he? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, gosh. Yeah. You know, I blame my mother for my gentle, polite upbringing. I feel like I could have had a little more hardship in my life. Could have used a little more edge in my own hockey game. And I'm not overly exaggerating on the Petrangelo slash and some of the things that 20 years ago you got away with. I mean, yeah, there's one referee on the ice,

and then it was like it meant you would have to deal with the repercussions in a fiercer with. I mean, yeah, there's one referee on the ice, and then it was like, it meant you would have to deal with the repercussions in a fiercer way, I think, physically. You'd be fine with a one-game suspension? No. More? Yeah. Oh, gosh, no.

You're not losing Petrangelo for a potential series loss. That is the argument why he shouldn't be suspended is that Vegas really needs him. He can't do that. He can't skate the distance across the ice. Put your stick over your head and slash the second best player on earth in the wrist. You can, and it'll cost you a game.

To me, that is like, we can't allow that as a league. As much as I don't want to see Vegas, I want a fair series with two amazing Western Conference teams with the best players in it. But you can't allow that as a league. As much as I don't want to see Vegas, I want a fair series with two amazing Western Conference teams with the best players in it. But you can't do that. When I watch what I've watched already in that series, it also factors in for me. Well, then blame the league or the refs for letting me get there.

A hundred percent. Yeah. And it's on them. And push came to shove last night. And they're going to calm it down. They're taking two very important people out of each lineup for one game. And they say, now we're going to regain control. You watch the next game.

You watch the stuff that guys will not. I expect a fairly penalty-filled first first period if not first half of the game against edmonton and vegas just for the league and the officials to send a message is that we've we've had enough with this okay evander kane taking runs at the end of the game and and uh cross-checking up around the the head area that's. This to me is like you got jaywalking and assault with a deadly weapon and going, both guys got penalized. You know, we gave them both penalties. They're both going to stop doing it.

It's the same thing. It's like, no, you got to. Like, you know, Petrangelo isn't really that guy. His wires just crossed. Oh, listen to me. They've been all over him, man. Do you know how much he's been run at? That's what I mean. Right cross-checked. Finally, he just short-circuited. He earned that one. his wires just oh listen to me they've been all over you know how much he's been run at i mean

he's been cross-checked finally he just short-circuited he earned that one like he should deserve to get to do it because he's like i'm gonna get hurt here no one's protecting me here i'm taking matters in my own hands i've had enough that's what happened to him. Yeah. And I will say, Petrangelo is an intelligent guy. He didn't pick some 12th forward to give a chop to. He saw his opportunity. The best player on Edmonton in the playoffs so far this postseason, you know, whatever, quibble with McDavid. They get free shots on me.

I'm one of the best players on Vegas. I'm going after their best player. And to me, as a league, it's just like you think of how the NBA protects protects its stars or you know quarterbacks nfl you can't even touch the quarterback he's only gonna get one game is because that's protecting leon dry saddle no not leon they're they're also uh apologizing to alex for letting it get that far i'll hear that i'll hear that that's interesting oh yeah it's like you know what right. You're right. And if we did a better job of pulling the reins in in this series, we know you wouldn't have had to do that. You know which was the bad one to me is Kane,

like a second left in a period. That was horrible. Running in at Petrangelo. Like it's not. No, message sending. Right. They're not going to go play hockey the other way. It's just going in to be a, you so you can't allow that yeah and i agree with you under normal circumstances bad

job november december february that's two games all day long maybe three but that's two or three playoff games to me one darnell one i thought two i i think he's going to get two games for that. Yeah. I'll be surprised. Yeah. The Nurse one is really strange. I'd like to get it before we go off the air. You think we will? No, I don't think so. They'll put it close to puck drop.

I don't know. They had a late flight home, Sammy, so I don't know what time they were able to do it. To Lowe's point, like the force is not there in the Petrangelo one. Like he's given him a little one. It's not like he's full of rage. He breaks Leon's wrist. He's done for the series.

Yeah, if that. Petrangelo is done for the series. If Leon would have been done for the series, then all day long you don't get to play either. I think I'm okay with playing the results on this one because it's the intent you get you get one game for the intent and then if it's bad you know with the results i've seen baseball swings where a guy's completely missed a guy and you're like well you know you should still get penalized just because the guy

sucks at baseball doesn't mean you shouldn't be penalized. Just because you go 0-1 at the plate doesn't mean it's not suspendable. I'll just say that if it's less than two games, I think the NFL dropped the ball. You just can't allow your league to have guys getting chopped like that. Although, we are getting a guy called Bundy on next i don't think it's for polite play so we'll get his take on it you speak of course of chris terrian former flyer defenseman he played the game hard too uh i'm going to discuss with him momentarily about uh keith jones coming in to now save the Philadelphia Flyers. All right, let's bring him in. Chris Terrien, Bundy.

Snow the goalie, a Flyer podcast, and his book is called Road to Redemption. Also, I mentioned earlier in the show, Bundy, BundyRecovery.com. People that struggle with drug and alcohol addiction, a great way for them to reach out to you.

And I want to get into all of that. So thanks. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, Nick. Yeah. Thank you guys for having me on. Yeah. Yeah. Jonesy the savior. And that's, uh, you know, it's kind of like what, what flew out of left field. It seemed to kind of break yesterday, guys. And a lot of, there was a lot of rumors flying throughout the day, but people want to try to keep a secret in philadelphia uh it's it's not easily done it's just one of those big small towns and and things fly but uh you know what again as i look at jonesy guys coming in and it's like i'm thrilled uh as you know kipper too there's guys that you know i think at the end of what i

said is when you're done with hockey you know when you're done playing and your personality you tend to either go one way to the broadcasting side or to management and i think that's a lot dictated by your own personality of who you are as a player uh and i think jonesy got in there but the thing that i'm excited about now it's a job that i've shared with them we've worked together on the air i've done radio as well traveled for many years you know you meet everybody in the business you meet every agent you meet every gm every other president you know every single player in the league and have an understanding of the game and and and talent gauging so from that standpoint i'm really really excited because people that think oh they're just taking a color guy and doing this there's been a lot of guys that

have done it and had success dale talon john davidson's gone in made a splash for some years and some years he didn't but um again again, there's a method to this. And also, this is, as I've said to you guys through a couple years, this is a unique sports town. It's a unique market, and it needs a face. And I don't think for the last seven or eight years there's been a face to this at all. It certainly wasn't.

It was not Chuck Fletcher and the team. And it became torts a little bit more this year. But they needed a top, you know, a top compilation of guys to come in here and restructure things. And I believe that Jonesy is as good or better than almost anybody else that could have interviewed for that job. And, you know, I want people to know that, that there is a very intelligent hockey person in there, but there's a very serious person as well beyond, you know, the person that would be on the morning show here in Philadelphia or can, you know, wail out jokes as well as anybody. There's a serious person in there, and I'm excited about the future here. So, Bundy, what is the job?

You know, like, what does it consist of? How much hockey is involved? How much is community-centric? What's that role look like? You know what? That's an unbelievably good question. Someone asked me that last week. And from where I'm sitting, my answer was I said three things.

And I did. It was last about seven days ago. I said it's winning, winning, and more winning. That's it. If I'm the president of a hockey team, my job is to find out and to keep an eye on everybody below me to make sure that there's W's on the board and as many as possible through the year so you have a successful playoff run. Whether there's baby kissing involved, I have no idea if that's what they want. If there's more of a community relations,

I understand there's a part of that. Yes. Even with the hockey ops side of this, I do believe that the hockey side needs to make some amends as well with the fans in this city. So I think from a standpoint, they have a face to it. But I do believe there's still a lot of work left to do between the Flyers fans and the hockey team and the organization. And I thought there was a much better bridge last year, but this certainly now with some more stuff in concrete with Breer now having the interim tag off him

and then Jonesy coming in, I think it'll give people a good understanding now that that is the face. That's the guy who has to answer to a lot of things. But in terms of what that job description looks like, I don't know how they look at it, but I look at it as a job to make sure that this team is heading in the north direction and winning is the only theme to that team. Usually, though, Bundy, when we see someone step into a president of hockey ops,

it's at the top and then you get to work your way down. You get to pick your general manager. You get to pick your coach. That's not the case with Breer already there. That's not the case with Tortorella there. Are there some to suggest that the only way you take this job is if, if you listen to us and you have to keep these guys, or is there a real sense that the tag comes with the authority now to

reassess these guys in a year or a year and a half and, and have the power that usually comes with the job? Yeah, that's a really, really good point. And, and. And again, listen, I mean, they needed a figurehead. I really do believe they needed someone that fans could look at and relate to in a sense and have somebody to answer for it. They had Dave Scott before. Dave was not a sports guy. He was a business guy.

And he tried to work his way in as a hockey guy. Ed Snyder, no matter who you put in front of here. Sammy. Sammy. You want to reconnect, Sammy? The future. Yeah. There was a lot of weird stuff that went on in that hiring.

You know, running the main team for several years, which became more problem three years sammy we good all right we're gonna reconnect with uh chris terrian as we talk about uh the recent hiring of keith jones to the philadelphia flyers i listen i mean I've known Keith a long time, and he's a pro in everything that he does. I have no doubt in my mind he's going to do a great job there. But it is quite interesting that Tortorella's already entrenched there, and he wasn't going anywhere, and Daniel Breer had the interim that they've now lifted. But as far as a guy that can get a beat on what that organization needs,

yeah, Keith Jones all day long. I agree. It's interesting, you know, to have people recognizable as Philadelphia Flyers running the Philadelphia Flyers. I think the community can connect with that, right? Like that has value. And we've had Keith on the show a number of times and he's always impressed me by his thoughtfulness.

You know, I think sometimes guys think of like anyone who played a physical heavy role in the NHL is, you know, maybe not putting in the time to really think things through. He's a very intelligent guy. So, you know, lack of experience may be a criticism, but I certainly wouldn't put it past him to do a great job. Smart man. Yeah.

And there is a different feel and, you you know the one thing is abundantly clear too is that the league needs a healthy philadelphia flyer that market is fantastic yeah and a great sports town is the eagles and the phillies and uh 76ers have proven but they need their flyers going and they have not had it in quite a while right now. And it's, it's not healthy for the league. I'd be curious to know what the relationship with Breer and Tortorella is like,

you know, like Breer seems like such a soft spoken guy. All right, we got Bundy. All right. Sorry about that. Great. So great.

Not my fault. great self-service here in the new company no no worries you want to pick up where you left off or where do you want to go yeah I know I just just I just wanted to say guys like I really like it's out of the out of the box kind of signing but again Jonesy's been here a long time I love them as a teammate we broadcasted together and traveled for 15 years so I've been close to Keith Keith. But I do believe you guys know me well enough. Even if you're a friend and I thought they put you in there and you weren't equipped to do it, I probably would say so. I love it.

I'm proud of Jonesy. He's really worked his way from a lot of levels up to where he's gotten. And I think he's going to be a great face for this team. Let me ask you, Bundy, if you are Keith Jones for two minutes, where do you go first? Do you go community first, getting reengaged with the fan base, the season ticket holders? Do you go to Daniel Breer with a major signing?

Where does Keith Jones go first? Yeah, I assess what's left over from the Fletcher regime. That's the first thing I'm probably doing, like seeing what's in the office. It goes back even to Hextall and before that. So you have to look because there's been a pattern of a lot of losing here in a short period of time, going back to the lockout. So you have to do assessments with Danny. The second thing I do, guys, because this is a big market, you need to make a splash trade.

They need to come in here and do something for the fans to show them that they're serious. And that, to me, that's it. Community, there's a lot of good people in the area that can handle community relations in the process. But you know what? Yes, I believe there was a re-engagement last year between the fans. The business side, guys, last year was amazing. The building was great every single night.

And I was happy to go down, happy to cheer for the team, bring my kids down some nights. It was a really good experience. Now it's important for the fans to understand. This is the biggest thing for me. The fans don't yet believe this team can win, and they've been losing so long that in a lot of ways the emotion has left them. What they need to do is to believe again,

and I think that, in a sense, is what Jonesy is going to have to try to do. That will be the mastery of it is have the fans believe that this is heading in the right direction and that someday soon we will have something proud here in philly to cheer for again i'd be curious to know what the dynamic is like now so breers the gm and tortorella is kind of the guy right he's been there he's the the head coach, and I guess he's a strong personality. Is their relationship good? Should we expect any changes there in the years ahead, or is this something these three guys, there's going to be a synergy

with Jones and Breer and Tortorella? Well, I think everybody right now is probably singing Kumbaya by a campfire, but, you know, I've been around long enough to know that that doesn't always last but uh you know I yeah that's what it is now I'm sure there's a lot of love going around and let's go do it but yeah they got a lot of work to do here and they know that you know I've spoke to Danny at length you know we got we got work to do they got to make a lot of players I mean you have the head coach

you know saying last year like there needs to be a lot of subtraction here so you, that's been kind of laid out by the head coach at the end of the year. And certainly Danny evaluating where their team is and getting younger. And then, you know, getting, you know, the other thing too, guys, is, you know, you want to be able to in a couple of years, which is a big part of it, be able to get free agents. It's not like there's just a free agent automatically you get them. This isn't 1998 anymore where everybody wanted to come to philadelphia so you have to have a team that's good enough and capable enough to be able to recruit free agents that are going to be able to turn your team in the right direction and that i'm

telling you there's a lot of trickery and a lot of mastery that's involved with this and and i wish him luck it's going to be it's going to be he's got a heck of a job ahead of him but there's a lot of intricacies that need to be handled with this team, with the community, and the product on the ice. And until that's done, the fans are going to continue demanding excellence because they've had a lot of it. They've had a lot of good years. I know there's no cup back to 75,

but there's been a lot of successful Philadelphia Flyer eras since then, and it's a staple in this community, and it has to remain like that. We cannot have years like we had the last two or three. It's not sustainable. And it's not what Philadelphia Flyers fans have been accustomed to dealing with, nor should they. to even my era with guys like Tim Kerr, Poulin, Brian Propp, Mark Howe, to Eric Lindros. Right now, does that guy exist in the system at all? Can someone step up?

Morgan Frost, Scott Laughlin, or is it on the outside? Does Keith Jones and Breer have to go find him? Well, then again, I think that guy is found in the draft. That guy right now might be 16 years old. You know what I'm saying? We just don't know. And again, they're picking seventh. I think that would be another good thing.

How can you get up in the draft? How can you climb up and maybe make a thing to get the fans there? But I don't know. Scotty Lawton's a great player, but, I mean, realistically, on a Stanley Cup-winning team, he's a third-line player, you know, a checker. That's where you're going. So there's a lot of things. I like Morgan Frost a lot.

I have. I've been actually a champion for him and said they should just leave him alone and let him play, and I thought he had a great finish last year. There are young guys here, but in terms of that one person, that one marketable face that is the face of your player franchise, I don't think it exists here yet. All right, pal. Well, listen, just tell us about BundyRecovery.com.

I'd like to hear about it. Yeah. So I was, you know, one of the things I do is get people into treatment. You know, I talk to them. It's either mental health, addiction, alcohol, drugs. And what I do is people would try to, I'd say, Rob, reach out to me, get me on Facebook. And I finally said, you know what, let me put up BundyRecovery.com. And this way, there's a sheet there.

You can fill it in. If you want to talk, anything on your mind, if you're struggling, we'll get you placed. I don't care if you're located in Montana or in South Florida or in Edmonton. We'll be able to handle that for you. And it's just a way to get people the help they need when they're struggling. And certainly to get back on their feet after a battle with addiction is some of the hardest things to do. So I appreciate you guys letting me talk about it. That's awesome.

Impressive stuff. You know, I know we've talked about it before, but that was the first question I had when I wanted to get help was just, what does that mean? Where do you go? Who do you talk to? Good to give people a first step or that's that's great stuff man chris terrian thanks for joining us pal always a pleasure guys thanks and sorry for the breakup on the phone no problem snow the goalie a flyer podcast and he also has road to redemption on top of uh the great work he's now doing with bundy recovery.com awesome um yeah huh um i was told while i walked in the break into the newsroom here and uh luke my boy luke

new hire at sports at 590 the fan what's up luke he had did some investigative journalism on what paul maurice may have been talking about with the movie. Oh, we got the movie answer. So, and then producer of Fan Drive Time, evening host as well here, Mike Gentile, just texted me and said there's a little compilation in the system that we might want to play that could give a little

credence to what Paul Maurice might have been talking about. You guys ready? Very much so. Okay, here we go. You saw in the last round what happens when a team doesn't take advantage of their chances. And when you're saying that, I'm thinking of Will Ferrell. You know exactly what I'm talking about. That basketball movie when he's got, yeah. I get why.

That's exactly how I felt. We can't have anyone freak out out there, okay? We've got to keep our composure. We've come too far. Okay, okay, okay. I didn't know that was from SemiPro. It wasn't. Okay. Okay. Okay. That was from a semi-pro.

It wasn't. It was not from semi-pro. It was from, it was from, um, old school. Oh yeah. But they're like in a locker room. Right.

So like old hockey guy, you know, got a mixed up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's where it is. Shut up Luke.

That's a lot funnier. It did. Now it makes sense. We got to keep our composure. That's where if he's going to mention it in a post-game conference, he should have that ready. The PR department should have that ready to play. The basketball movie, it's easy.

It's in a locker room. Got to keep our composure. It's very – it's right. That's correct. There you go. He's talking about Dewey in my mind. No, he's easy. It's in a locker room. Got to keep our composure. It's very, it's right. That's correct. There you go. He's talking about Dewey in my mind. No, he's not. This is like when parents of my generation called every new gaming system Nintendo.

It's just all the same thing. It's all one movie. Nintendo's. Yeah. You play in your Nintendo? It's an Xbox, mom. You got the Nintendo's going. It's Atari.

Atari. Okay. It's an Xbox, mom. And then Nintendo is going. It's Atari. Okay? It's playing Pong. And that's after you threw away the Commodore 64. Couple of gaps in technology here. Okay, can we just say, like, we're thankful for the Coopers and the Paul Maurice's to keep us engaged like that. We've been very fortunate through two rounds.

What else was he going to do all day other than research Paul Maurice's movie? Luke? He's a busy guy. He's doing social. Twiddling his thumbs. He's editing audio. He's doing everything for us. He's looking up information on movies.

He's the type of guy that keeps his place afloat. If Paul Maurice does not reference another movie Friday night, I will be very disappointed. Yeah, it's mandatory. We should have Luke Fox grill him about what movie was tonight like after the lose for the second night in a row. The second game in a row. If you were to compare tonight to another Will Ferrell movie. I can't imagine a question that would get you in more trouble than this.

Hey, Ma! Who gets to be love? The only question is now, who references the Titanic at the end of this series? Oh, my God. Any thoughts on Carolina and New Jersey? Yeah, I got thoughts. If the tree falls in the woods, does anyone hear it? Right.

Four games and nothing's been within three goals so far. Can we get a match? The game's over before it starts. I know. That's usually, it's like, okay, kids in bed turn this on. It's 8 o'clock and yeah, game's over. Great. Thanks, guys. Can you give us a game tonight? That's my request. We'd like a game. That would be very fun.

Blue Jays aren't playing tonight. Some good NBA tonight, too. I'm going to have a big one night last night hey not much blue jay talk amongst us what the 21 and 16 they're bullpens what are we seeing out of the jays this year bad pen oh no yeah yeah it's killing them in a lot of games really not trustworthy the bats a little maybe not as much as much offensive depth as we thought originally. They're flawed, but they're still in it. I'm buried in the Leafs weeds, guys. I'm watching it.

I'm writing about it. I try my best to watch the Jays. I'm not consuming as much. It's tough right now. With the Leafs doing what they're doing. Yeah. Playing hockey in May. Fires at your kid's school you're putting out.

Literally imported my mother from Western Canada to help. Where does that fall into how busy you are? I would say that's a significant element of my life right now. All right. Just like that. The show is over. Get your rest. Sammy.

More pessimistic approach tomorrow. He believes. He believes. If the Leafs are going to extend this series, you got to stop believing, Sam. That's the word on the street. Ah. Our thanks to Gordon Stelic, Kevin Lowe,

Chris Bundy-Terry. And back tomorrow. Do it all over again. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Real Kipper and Bourne.