Real Kyper & Bourne - Summer Shake-Up with Elliotte Friedman

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne are joined in studio by Elliotte Friedman to discuss the Leafs' looming offseason decisions after today's locker clean-out day. He gets into what role new MLSE CEO Keith Pelley plays in the front office direction, Shanahan's future as president, Keefe's future as coach and how the Mitch Marner trade market is shaping out. Then, what to do with the Leafs' pending UFAs and a quick preview of the second-round matchups. Finally, they regroup with Sam McKee for news & notes - the coaching carousel after Bowness announced his retirement, the reigning champs get eliminated and Matthews is named a finalist for Selke.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

all right let's kick off the national hour on the real kipper and born show we are live on sports net sports at 650 in vancouver and sports at 960 in calgary this hour real kipper and born brought to you by bet 365 no hesitation now, because we are just crammed. Here we go. Here we go. Elliott Friedman, Hockey Night in Canada, 32 thoughts. Kicking off the second round, Elliott. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I got to tell you, I listened to the last hour. I was like, I'm surprised there's anything left of you guys to do another hour. That was one intense hour. Oh, my gosh. What's great now is we can just hand the ball to you and let you run, Freed. Holy smokes. Exit meetings for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Never a dull moment.

No, no. I mean, you know, it's, I don't know how you guys feel, but I just think that the more I think about it, it's not going to happen the way we all think. There is going to be... The Sammy McKee way, where you just fire everybody right away. Whether or not that happens, there's going to be something that they do

or something that pops up that none of us are going to see coming. There's going to be a curveball here. So you had mentioned in your 32 thoughts that you thought maybe that the MLSC could eliminate the president's jobs of basketball and hockey. I didn't say I didn't say, like I don't like to touch the basketball

stuff because I really don't know it as well as I did years ago. But I do think that that is one thing that has been discussed is the possibility that it's a GM who reports directly to Pelley so that would eliminate Brendan Shanahan you're saying entirely I'm not I'm saying that it would eliminate his role if they choose to move on from Shanahan I do think I mean look like you

guys work for Rogers I work for Rogers we know this company um And I will say this, I was told today across ownership, there is not unanimity in that belief, but it has been something, as we've talked about, it has been something that's been discussed is do they need this extra layer, this highly paid extra layer of management? And do you think then that they would wait for a decision like that

to make the concurrent decisions, whether it be on the coach or a trade of someone who makes a lot of money? Well, look, I look at it this way. Like, I don't think you should be making any decisions on Brendan Shanahan based on what you think of the position. You're keeping or not keeping Brendan Shanahan based on you think how he's done the job. I think if they decide that they're not going to keep Brendan Shanahan, I'm curious to see if they keep the position.

And again, as I was told today, that has been discussed is do they need that role? But look, I mean, you're not going to be making any big moves in the near future anyway, so you have time. But, you know, watching that Keefe media conference today, man, like I'm a human being. That was a tough media conference to watch. When you hear that a coach has kind of been given the option of do you want to be part of the exit interviews or not, like don't, I mean, you guys have been around. You guys both played at a high level.

Like what do you think that, what does that mean to you? I think it's pretty clear what it means. Yeah. You you know i think there's a decision that's been made there on on sheldon but maybe they do want to wait to see maybe the new president or if they did hire one would say i actually really like the guy why did we get rid of him he's better than who's available you know well i think that's actually if you were to go back to last year that's kind of what true living did when he got hired he looked When he got hired, he looked around. He spoke with Sheldon, but he looked around, and he kind of thought that the other options that were out there

were not as good as Keefe. I know I'm in the minority on this one. I really heard this today. I thought considering everything that happened this year, Keefe did actually a pretty good job. I agree. I think they had this kind of year at the wrong time. People don't want to hear

anymore. They overcame injuries on defense and didn't goal. People are just like, they lost again in the first round. That's all I care about. I think if Keefe goes somewhere else, I think he'll do well. But looking at him today and listening to him today, it struck me as a guy who thinks that his time,

his runway here is over. Do you think if there's a chance that they do get rid of Brendan or the president role, that they just happily go to Bradtree Living now and just have Brad report to Keith Pelley? I think that's a possibility. I think that's one like that's one of the things they discussed but like i said today nick someone told me today that they don't think the entire ownership is unanimous on that idea but there are some people who think are we talking

bell and rogers and tenenbaum like there's but larry's on his way out but he's still there and uh and uh he's still there and he's still got a voice. I was just told it's not unanimous, but it has been discussed. It has been. Larry's still there dapping up the boys after wins. He's in it. Keith Pelley, and as someone else said to me, he is the president of MLSC, and he likes to be involved,

but it is a big job. So we'll see where they go. But I think all of these different options are on the table. Question, and I know this is a bit of a curveball. We'll bring it back a big job. So we'll see where they go. But I think all of these different options are on the table. Question, and I know this is a bit of a curveball. We'll bring it back in one sec. But the Keefe thing, you know, there's all the rumors about Dubas and Pittsburgh and what's going on. Like he wanted to fire an assistant, and they got rid of one, I believe.

But Sullivan and him maybe were at odds. I don't think Mike Sullivan's going anywhere. No Sheldon Keefe to Pittsburgh. And I don't think Cooper's going anywhere either. I don't think so. I don't think Mike Sullivan's going anywhere. No Sheldon Keefe to Pittsburgh. I don't think Cooper's going anywhere. I don't think so. I don't think so, Nick. Boy, Julian Breezeball certainly looked like he slammed the door on that last week. Yes.

But I don't believe Sullivan's going anywhere. I had one guy who called me on the weekend and says, okay, here's my prediction. It's Sullivan to New Jersey, it's Berube to Toronto and it's Keefe to Pittsburgh and I'm like I understand why that makes sense to a lot of people but I'm under the impression that Sullivan and Dubas for however they may have felt about the assistant coaches I've heard they're on the same page about going together there is a sense that Ottawa went a little cheap with uh Travis. Maybe takes Berube out.

I don't think Berube's going to Ottawa. I heard on the weekend. No, no, no. It's green. It's going to be green. It's going to be green. But, you know, Berube would be looking at five times five. I can tell you Sens fans are not happy. You know, I saw that today.

I guess, I think I've learned over the years that I've seen coaching hires that were widely praised and turned out to be a disaster. And I've seen coaching hires that were panned and turned out to be really good. I think Travis Green, I think he's a better hire for Ottawa than I think some of the people are giving credit for. I like Travis. I like Travis. And I'll tell you this,

Travis can be, and I say this positively, Travis can be a bit of a prick, and they need that there. But I feel like in Ottawa, there was a sense when you got the new owners, spent all this money, and that they were going to be in the limelight team, and they'd get a name, you know? They'd get, not that Travis

isn't a name, but Groovy right now is the sexy big name, or someone that, you know, they would feel inspired by. I't a name but groovy right now is the sexy big name or someone that you know they would feel inspired by i don't feel like they're could the push on keith out quickly be because they're in a race for barubi for with new jersey i i nick i do believe that i believe that new jersey has real interest in barubi and uh if if Toronto wants him they better get moving. I do believe that. What about that New Jersey job? You think like a Jay Woodcroft might be an option there? I've heard they've spoken to a ton of people.

I just think and I've been saying this for a couple days and eventually I'm going to be right about this. If you want Craig Berube you better make the call. Yeah. Because he's going to have multiple people There has to be a reason why Berube, you better make the call. Yeah. Because he's going to have multiple people. There has to be a reason why Berube's waited this long. I think it was to wait for Toronto. See the awkward biz question on TNT the other night?

Yeah. I got to tell you, I would not. Did you ever fight Berube? Did you ever fight him? Bill McCreary saved my life one time. Did you ever receive punches fight Berube? Did you ever fight him? Bill McCreary saved my life one time. Did you ever receive punches from Berube? He was coming after me 1,000 miles an hour. And Bill McCreary just turns around and he throws him out of the game

and suspends him 10 games. Oh, my. For coming off the bench. Really? Beautiful. I'm like, boy, Bill, you saved me. If he ever gave me that look, I'd go running as far as I can. We were teammates at hershey

i got you know like nick you like i i've seen you interact with him before i i would defer to you on this one you guys were peers you know each other better i gotta think put it this way i gotta think he would be very intrigued by the devils because i think a lot of people think the devils are on the cusp of something big but you know you know, someone said to me today, do you think that Toronto is really a good job? I said, absolutely I do because the rewards are enormous. We've all been there. We've all been there.

Everybody talks about, hey, you want to win a cup here. And then, unfortunately, it doesn't happen for a lot of us. But, you know, I will say this. It's not for everybody, though i agree with that this market is not for everybody and it it's tricky and as sheldon found out over the years it's calculated what you want to say when you want to say it how you want to say it, how you want to say it, because you got guys like you and Sammy critiquing every last second, and I got to put up with it daily. It's a tough job, but it's not for everybody.

It's not for everybody, but if I was good enough to be an NHL coach, I would love to be the coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Do you think that a new president or a new authority figure in management would make it easier to go to John Tavares and Mitch Marner and talk about their no trade clauses. No, I don't. And here's why. You know, someone called me today and they brought up a good point.

I wish I would have remembered this. First of all, with Marner, he's represented by Darren Farris. Darren Farris' history is I take my guys right to unrestricted free agency. That's his philosophy, and he does that in a lot of cases. You know, you heard what Mitch Marner said today. Ultimately, like, he was given the no-move clause, and he can use it as he sees fit. You know, if the Maple Leafs want to play hardball with him

and say, okay, that's your choice, but you're not going to get the eighth year here and you're not going to get the same offer. I think one of the things that the Maple Leafs have to prove, Justin, is that they can hardball somebody in a negotiation. That hasn't always happened and that's been an issue for them. But the thing is, if Marner, if I know Darren, and I've dealt with him a lot over the years,

he's going to tell Marner, you go right to free agency. That's what I believe. That's what you do. What a year that would be. And the only thing for Marner that I, I know people got upset by his quote today about, I don't even know what it was exactly.

It doesn't bother me either. And you know what? In a lot of ways, like Marner should be a guy. Like you would think if it worked out properly, he should be a god in this town. It's like, you know, he's a Toronto kid who's playing for the Leafs. He cares a lot. I know people think he doesn't try.

I think that's BS. I think his problem is that he's wired too tight, to be honestly, in the playoffs. But I think he does care, and I think he's BS. I think his problem is that he's wired too tight, to be honestly, in the playoffs. But I think he does care, and I think he does try. For me, the biggest question is, if I was around him, I would just be asking, do you really, like, do you think, like, is it worth going through all of this again? Because, like, you can see the frustration,

and you see how much it hurts them i just wonder about i can appreciate darren ferris wanting to be an agent that wants to take him to the but it doesn't have to be that way you could speed up the process you we know he'll be he's looking for a raise yeah we know he's a legitimate 100 point guy every year yep the Yep. The number is the number, right? The cap's going up. Yep. You tell me what the number is, Elliot, for a guy like his stature.

Is it 12? He's going to want at least Willie. Is it 12 and a half? He's going to want at least Willie. 11 and a half, 12. 12, yeah. Okay, so I can tell you right now, I know there's teams out there

that have already put calls in for Mitch Marner. I believe that. Right? I believe that. Right? I believe that. So you don't need to wait another year. He's not getting his money here. The Leafs won't stroke a check for $100 million for the next eight years. So go and do the deal now. Yeah.

And he'll happily take the eight years off a new team. And I think if you look at who... The deal's this summer for Mitch Marner. You know what? And I agree with you because if Toronto wanted to play hardball, they would say you're not getting that eighth year here. The thing is, and Nick, and you know this, and this is part of me what part of the problem is with this whole situation,

is that the egos get involved. And there needs to be somebody here that if... Who's ego? Like, I think there's egos of the... Not Mitch? For what? For what? He's going to get his money he's gonna get it somewhere well but you know but the but the thing is like don't you think there's a little bit a little bit of this is i'm not gonna let them force me out i'm gonna do this on my own terms well he's not going to go to a team he doesn't want to go to when he's

a year away from unrestricted free agency but if the decision is we're going to wait a year and not go anywhere until then but it makes no sense elliot if he gets the number that he wants from a team that he wants to play for okay but at this point in time i don't believe they've shown any interest in doing that the leaves no the uh marner's oh but that's that's a formality okay we'll see it's a formality. Okay, we'll see. It's a formality. When it comes to Marner, I trust you 100%. You're closer to that than I am.

If he gets a number from a place that he can envision him being in the next eight years, the deal gets done this summer. The Leafs would have to be open to letting teams negotiate with Darren Ferris. 100%. Yeah, I think they would. 100%. I think they would. It's open.

It's open. It's open. Figure out the teams that would trade for him, which are the teams that could sign him long-term, and which are the teams that interest him. Yeah, give us a list. Well, sure. That's literally what I have here. But to this point, and again, Nick,

I will defer to you on this one. To this point, they've shown no interest in doing that, and I think that i like that's what i would do if i was the maple leafs i would go to him and say look where do you want to go yeah and we'll do whatever we can to make this deal 100 you know you look at teams who would want offense who might have something to trade her competitive you think of a team like nashville a team like vegas could have potentially say you want a guy? Justin, I think there would be 29 teams looking at him. The more I've thought about it, like, I mean,

I would give Mitch Marner the money you're talking about. It won't be hard to find, I think, a deal. 11 and a half. And now here's the other part of that. And this is a very big part of that, guys. Last summer when they had Willie out there before they signed him, they told people they were not losing this deal. They were getting a defenseman that they considered equal to

Nylander's status as a forward, or they weren't making it. Do you think the Toronto Maple Leafs, and I would be if I was in their shoes because I could sell it as creating the cap room, the Maple Leafs will have to be willing potentially to lose a Marner deal? Yeah, and I think when you say lose a Marner deal, it may be you're not factoring in the value of the space you get and what you do with it, right? That's what I mean.

So you trade the guy and you get back, oh, it's a defenseman and it's whatever, a 20-goal guy. You don't say, oh, we got worse. But then you're left with another $5 million to spend and you add another player. So cap space is a weapon. It is an asset that you can turn into a player. So you can justify it to yourself that way if you can't go.

Well, that's how you do justify it. But I think last year when they were talking about this, they didn't like that idea. Now they're going to have to be more interested in that idea. But the harder one for me is maybe going to your captain and saying you got to help us out here. I can't see any way he does it.

But just wouldn't it be a miserable experience for him? I understand that I agree. I don't think he would either. He's from here. He's got family here. I'm sure he'd love to be here longer. He can still play. He can still score 60 points. He's still like he had a huge amount.

Like people, I understand like he may not be an $11 million guy anymore, but it's only one more year at that number. And he's still. But you need the space. You could use that space too. Yes, you could. But the whole thing is you can't come back with all four of them. So the question is, does Marner allow you the flexibility

if you want to go down that road? And if not, then what do you do? You could revisit Tavares by next trade deadline too if you want to upgrade. You're going to say, hey, for two months, will you go play for Chicago? And we'll do this, whatever, have you back. I know that never happens.

Bachelor role, $500,000 a year for 20 years. What are you expecting Thursday out of management? Well, I'm sure we'll get clarity on Keefe. I'm sure we'll get clarity on what the structure, at least who's coming back or who isn't. You know, Nick, one thing I'm trying to figure figure out is is there anything they're up to right now that we just haven't figured out yet i had some people say to me like would they ask the nhl about coach quenville i i don't know i'm not sure about that specifically but i i would bet there's things like that going on, 100%. Well, outside of Quenville.

Yeah, I bet you they're looking around like who can we go out there and get? Like who would our targets be? Do you think the league's ready to let Quenville back in? I get mixed messages on it. Number one, I'll say this, Nick. I don't think talking about it, I don't think them talking about it is good for them. I don't think Bettman likes that.

Quenville going public? Yes. I don't think that's good for them. I don't think Bettman likes that. I have sensed at times that, um, the league has felt that they have, that, uh, that Bowman and Quenville pay faced a very significant punishment and that there was time that they be allowed to explain themselves and, and get another chance, but it's never happened. So at this point, so my answer to that, Nick, is it waivers.

There have been times I thought they would be coming back, and there have been other times I've thought that the league just isn't ready. But the one thing I've been kind of told by several different people is they don't think it's a good idea for these guys to have public campaigns for it. In terms of other people, potentially for the Leafs organization are there any players out there that you think would interest Toronto um I know you had mentioned on your podcast today I thought Seth Jones came up that's more me wondering about that yeah um well you know what like you look at the free agent defenseman like first for one thing is like I'm curious on this

blue line like are they going to bring back Edmondson? Are they going to try to extend McCabe? He would be, he's at 3-2 right now, Edmondson? He's going to get a raise. I don't know. He's not going to take a pay cut after pretty much showing people that he could still play. Yeah, you know, I would be curious to see what that would look like, but I bet you they have interest in bringing him back.

I think they're probably going to try to extend McCabe, and I would do that too. I thought he played great for them. I think they go after a Tanev or a Montour or a Brett Pesci. Tree Living will go right back, and they need, and I've said this for two and a half years now, they need two defensemen. Yeah, and he'll go after them.

They need not one, but two. So you go get Tanev, and you go get one other one, and you got a different look. I could see Montour Pesci being big on their radar. So how does Wall's last injury, like all bets are off on Joseph Wall right now. You know what? First of all, Nick, he signed to a great contract.

He's at 775 for another year. Great backup. Well, I really think they wanted him to prove that he was going to be their number one guy. But now the biggest question is if he can stay healthy. Look, Samsonov, to me today, that said that if he wants term, he's not really going to get it here. And do you see them coming back with Samsonov, Wohl next year? I think it's going to be Wohl, someone else.

It needs to be a veteran. It needs to be someone with some cachet. I'll tell you this. At the deadline, I heard they were asked a lot about Hildeby. So that leads me to think that he's going to be a player, but I don't think that's yet. No. You watch.

Everybody's going to start digging up Markstrom to Toronto. Yeah. You watch. But I can't see it. Out of the frying pan, out of the fire. Calgary. Calgary wouldn't trade Tanev here. How are they going to trade Markstrom to Brad Tree Living?

Yeah. Well, tomorrow is the NHL draft lottery. Oh, yeah. If I'm not mistaken. Yes, it is. And does that affect things on your schedule at all? Does anything happen around that time in terms of GMs discussing things? What's happening this time of year behind the scenes?

Well, now at least people will know where everybody's picking. You know, one of the teams that really interests me about where that where they end up in this lottery is is montreal i think they could be a really fascinating team this offseason yeah i they got a lot of prospects already and you can always add another one you can never have too many but i i wonder i look at them and and a first round pick and I wonder what they could cook up. They got a ton of picks. Like, is Utah going to get weird and try to make a splash with the new owner? That's a good one.

They got a ton of picks. You know, Ottawa's got a decision to make. They got to decide, are we keeping our pick or are we paying the penalty? So that's another one. God, that's tough. That's a really tough one there. I don't like that one for the Sanders at all. But there's, you know, I think at least we'll have an idea

of where everyone is. You're right. That's going to be one nervous lottery tomorrow night. That's Celebrini, man. He is something else. And Stan Jose, like, you know, I don't know what lucky charms are out in Northern California, but they're digging up all of them right now. Well, they should be good in eight to nine years,

so hopefully Celebrity enjoys the beach. Nice. We're getting a few text messages from Vancouver and Edmonton wondering if Hockey Night in Canada will get canceled now that the Leafs are out, or will you keep going? That's pretty funny. We're still going. I gotta tell you something.

My buddies, I obviously grew up here, I have buddies who really love the Leafs, and they say I'm not enough of a Leaf homer. And they were saying to me on Saturday night, they said to me, Elliot, we've never seen this before. Like, we actually thought you looked like you were going to cry on air.

I started laughing. I said, you know me, I root for the Canadian team. Like, I just want the Canadian teams to do so well. But that one was a gut punch for a lot of people. There's no question about that. Go Canucks. Go Oilers. Go Oilers, Canucks, who are you picking?

I like Edmonton. Yeah, I mean, who's their goalie? She loves. Is he? Buddy. He's confident. That would be a hell of a story. Oh my God. Incredible story. Yeah, like the kid.

Patrick Waugh all over again. Showed big brass ones last round. We look forward to your coverage, my friend. All right, guys. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Freed. L.A. Freedman, Hockey Night in Canada, 32 Thoughts. We'll take a quick break.

We'll bring back Sammy for game time, plus more from Real Kipper Unborn. Hey, it's Ben Ennis. And I'm Brent Gunning. We got you covered on all things Leafs, Raptors, and Blue Jays every weekday morning, 6 to 9. It's the Fan Morning Show. Sportsnet 590 The Fan and wherever you get your podcasts.

All right, let's welcome you back into the Real Kipper and Bourne Show. We'll let Sammy take it away with a little game game time it's game time presented by bet365 visit the app's latest to find out why it's never ordinary at bet365 it's 19 plus ontario only please play responsibly so we're on the precipice of the second round starting yes into the sad time in the playoffs already well first of all because these leads are usually out so that's sad for me but secondly snap out of it one or. One or two games a night now. When we were at the start of the first round, it's like 100 rounds. Just one tonight.

100 games a night. There's action everywhere. It's electric, and now it's down to one or two a night. The Boston Bruins and Florida Panthers get their second round series started this evening. The series line on that is the Florida Panthers are massive favorites. They're minus 220 favorites to win that series, plus 180 for the Boston Bruins. Feels like that's the right number to me,

especially for tonight, one night off right into a second round series. But yeah, I don't know where you guys are at with that series, but it feels like it might be a quick one. I do think it'll be a quick one. I florida's gonna mop them you do yeah i just you guys know how i've talked about the boston bruins i don't think they're that good swayman is you cannot you cannot tell me that swayman's gonna go from that you're right to a sweep you're right i i actually when I think of their team, because I'm just wired this way,

I fail to take the goal in sometimes. He was, like, off the charts. He was rock solid. I don't think he made a mistake the whole series. Can you name one bad goal he gave in? Oh, no. He did make a mistake when he completely mishandled the puck behind the net in game seven.

And Mitch Marner had too much momentum going this way and he picked up the puck. And everyone's like, everyone, you know, in defense of Mitch Marner, everyone's tweeting out the screenshot of him like standing behind the net with the puck. But he's going full speed the opposite way. It's like, anyways.

But yeah, he did make that mistake. But other than that, not really. Pretty limited. Yeah. Did he have a bad goal against him? I'm with you though like oh like he stopped like what was the save percentage in the series like 650 954 sorry i think 950 yeah like he was good they got they got goalied yeah that's certainly part of it okay it's gonna go

five or six so um the other series just quickly looking around here uh carolina and the rangers obviously the rangers up one zip in that series uh still just minus 125 favorites i think carolina's got a comeback in them plus 105 colorado and dallas tomorrow night getting underway boy that is going to be a hell of a playoff series colorado avalanche uh underdogs plus 105 going to that series. Vegas likes Dallas. And finally, our favorite series, our national hour series,

Edmonton Oilers versus the Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks are prohibitive underdogs heading into that series. Minus 260. Wow. For the Edmonton Oilers, if you want to bet on them to win that series, plus 210.

I think this is going to be a very close series. Just so people know, we're going to be all over this series. Oh, yeah. This hour is going to be Vancouver Oilers. Yeah. So, I mean, when we watch the third period in the morning, of course, because all the games will start at 10 p.m., but yeah. Well, even tonight, it's like 8 p.m.

Why 8 p.m.? American networks, that's why. What's wrong with 7 p.m.? I don't know. 7 p.m. is an p.m.? American networks. That's why. What's wrong with 7 p.m.? I don't know. 7 p.m. is an excellent time for a hockey game. Why do we let them do that to us? I don't know. It's late.

It's just a little bit too late. I get a little tired, dozy in the third period. Can't do 10.30 p.m.? I thought 8 was like when I was a little kid. That's when 8 was. So, yeah. I guess that was... Do you want me to do a quick...

a quick Conn Smythe check-in here? Give me one second as I pull it up. Do-do-do. The Conn Smythe favorite at the moment. Conn McDavid, of course, plus 600. Matthew Kachuk, the second favorite, plus 1,200. What do you have, eight points? Nine?

Nathan McKinnon, plus 1,200. Would he have eight points? Nine. Nathan McKinnon plus 1,200. Yeah. Shisterkin 16-1. Brobrovsky 16-1. Panarin 20-1. Kael McCarr 20-1. Not to bring this back to the Leafs, but I will. This one time, Sammy, on our national hour, I'll bring it back to the Leafs.

We just talked to Freed for an hour. Look at the stars and their points. A lot of them on the power play. From McDavid to Kachuk. Like, once you get into even strength points, they're all around, like, three. It's that tight. Zach Hyman had seven goals, four even strength, three power play.

Three power play goals, pretty good. Okay. Nachushkin had three power play goals. Yeah. And yeah, so I'm just quickly looking down the list here. Outside of the 20-1 guys, there's not a ton. Maybe if you think, yeah, no, I got nothing else. Right. Carter Verhage, 28-1.

There's a long shot for you. He had a good first round series, been clutch, scores a lot of big goals. The narrative, they love that. Little conspiration. My Freddie Anderson pick's not looking great. I mean, he's got better odds than Carter Rahe. He's 21 still. Doesn't sound like Sam Bennett will play tonight. No? Did they rule him out or I don't know. Anyways, that was

Game Time presented by Bet365. Visit the app for the latest odds and find out why it's ever ordinary. Bet365 must be 19 plus. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Let's see what I got on Bennett here. I don't think we're looking at... Won't play. Won't play. But I don't think we're looking at... Won't play. Won't play. But I don't think we're...

He's dealing with, say, like a... a cadre situation a few years ago. And remember he broke a finger? Yeah, Bennett took a slapper in the hand. He took a slapper. But I don't... I didn't hear anything on, like... Didn't Naz score an overtime winner with a broken finger?

With a... Against the Lightning? Didn't he take a pin out? didn't he have a pin and then pulled it out or something weird like that i do that is ringing a bell yes something but i don't think i don't think that's what i i heard on sam bennett so i think he's he's gonna see he's gonna see time in this series but i don't know how early but nice to have a guy like that a little bit hampered because he puts the licking on people. He does. He's a factor.

I'm sure if you're David Pasternak after getting hit by Joel Edmondson last game, you're like, I'm fine with Bennett being out. Yeah, that was one of the more beautiful hits of the playoffs for sure. Before we broke for the weekend, I did mention that Winnipeg may be looking for a new coach. That came to fruition today with the announcement of Rick Bonas and his retirement. Thoughts, JB? Yeah, I think we have a clip.

Do we have a bonus? Let's start with that. Let's go to that. You talked to me out of retirement two years ago, man. Judy and I are all set to call it a day at then. But if I was going to come back to coaching, I couldn't have picked a better place to come back to and to finish my career with.

There's a big draw here, obviously, because of our previous experience here. We know the people that run the organization are fantastic people. This is a great organization, and it's a great city to play hockey in. That I knew. We have a tremendous, passionate following here and

so I couldn't have picked a better place to come back to and to finish my career. I've got great players. I've been fortunate to have a great coaching staff and all the accolades, both the All-Star game and the nomination. Man, it's the players and it's the coaches that got me there. And like I said a couple of times, how many coaches can take the month of November off

and still be where we are? The coaches and the players deserve all the credit for that. But yeah, it's been my pleasure to come back. It's been a real honor for me to coach the Winnipeg Jets again. Almost four decades, 38 years, one of the longest serving coaches in history i don't coach that long in the league without so many people liking you i was gonna say people wanting you around as far as approval ratings go yeah you rarely find anyone that's not like he is my favorite guy i've ever met just people 100 approval rating i don't know maybe kipper knows

of a guy or two but i i've never heard a bad word about the man so you know he did great things the jets is here shame it ended the way it did but i think they probably exceeded expectations from the start of the season to how they finished i love the way it ended last year where he just went scorched earth which killed him respect exactly bang on they he said what he needed to say they kept around, and he coached him to another good year. And unfortunately, they ran into a buzzsaw. Oh, God, did they ever. Listen, two years from now, he's consulting Jacques Martin behind the NHL bench temporarily. That's a brand new gig that Jacques invented now.

Consulting. Coaching consulting. Oh, yeah. He's like, my advice is get rid of him. Put me in there. I've told you this before, I think, but when I was at the Toronto Marlies, after a game, three guys walked in the office

and it was Jacques Lemaire, Jacques Caron, and someone else. And I was like, what are they doing here? And someone was like, they work for the Leafs. Like, they're consultants. That's a good job. You just kind of hang around and tell people what you think because you know stuff. That's a good job. You just kind of hang around and tell people what you think

because you know stuff. That's a great gig to have. A consultant? Yeah. Until you get knocked out and then you've got to justify your existence. Yeah, what do you do? What exactly do you do around here? Also, I think bonus was a nice hire for a guy like Mark Chipman

who, you know, great relationship, I think, with the community. Like, it seems like a small town. I've just heard such good things about the ownership and the way that that community is all together. And Bonus is a good representative of that. So now that we've added Winnipeg to the list of needing a new coach, like, what are we at? Six?

It's so funny. Everyone's like, Berube's hired everywhere. Everyone's got him. How many teams, Sammy? I don't know. A few, for sure new jersey new jersey toronto oh you fired sheldon easy bud easy yeah easy wow there's a family involved what are you i know them well too i like them a lot what are you biz just uh okay toronto is still

tbd filled ottawa Jersey, Winnipeg. Anything else, anyone? St. Louis. St. Louis. Who's their interim? Bannister. Drew Bannister. Yeah, what about the Kings?

He's a... Hiller was a interim, right? I would think LA's looking. Yeah. So there's a few. There's lots of jobs out there. What did Columbus end up doing? Yeah, I don't know. I don't really pay a whole lot to Columbus. It's playoff time out there. What did Columbus end up doing? Yeah, I don't know.

I don't really pay a whole lot of Columbus playoff time, buddy. I'm not watching. No, I think they need one. Think so? I don't know. I will say Columbus was remarkably irrelevant this year. The only time they ever came up was when they did something horrific. Can I tell you something? I'm embarrassed we're talking about

them right now all right okay um just thoughts uh we talked about a little bit about watching dallas shut down vegas those last eight and a half minutes and ottinger you watched it didn't didn't look overly uh busy but it still was a bit of a nail biter once you get into that uh one goal up with 10 minutes to go but thoughts on a new stanley cup champion dallas wins four of five you know after vegas goes into their barn and wins the first two that's a pretty impressive feat wyatt johnston guys this guy's a player. But he's 21. Actually, you know what?

He's not 21 yet. He turns 21 next week. He's 20. Yeah. And you know who else is young, too, is that Thomas Harley? Yeah. He's another 21-year-old. Yeah.

And the Ninja Turtle, Stankoven, with those big old shoulder pads. He's young. He's contributing. Yeah. Meanwhile, Ben and Sagan, all right. I actually thought it was a bit of a turning point in the series when McNabb dusted the one guy and then Ben went, with those big old shoulder pads. He's young. He's contributing. Meanwhile, Ben and Sagan, all right. I actually thought it was a bit of a turning point in the series when McNabb dusted the one guy and then Ben went, So there is, you know,

and I picked Dallas to win the Stanley Cup, but, oh, easy. It's just one round. Okay, that's pretty good. But, They look pretty good. Is there a little, you worry about like the wear and tear

on Ben and say again, and Velski when it comes to like any shorter series to make sure that you're an old guy. I got to tell you, it's shocking. I played college against Pavelski. How is this guy? Really?

Yeah. Yeah. You're old. Oh buddy. I played golf yesterday. I can barely walk around. Here's the key there for them. What's that? Everybody. Yeah. Anytinger's the key there for them. What's that?

Everybody, Ottinger. Any goalie's the key, for sure. Can I bring it back to the Leafs for our national hour? No. Just keep doing it. Chris Tanev's so good. Yeah, he's good. He's so good.

He is a guy that, if the Leafs have Tanev in that first round series, it's a different thing. He is so good. I think he can get like five million bucks yeah and i'd give it to him i've watched him you know a lot a lot of watching a lot of canadian teams and i've watched that first round series i bet like i don't know what his fancy stats are but i bet you he's on the ice for a lot more goals than he's on against like he is a really great player he blocks love him love him rangers any surprise there at home game one carolina

and freddie i don't hand it over to this ready let's in what was the game-winning goal to panarin the bread man back breaker short side through him here's what i'll say it's a little different that it's happening in the second round so i mean's new for him. That's a new trick. But that's just quintessential. What I've always talked about him, where he is aesthetically one of the nicest goalies to watch in the league. Beautiful goaltender. Beautiful goaltender. Big, the way he moves around, smooth.

But there's always one greasy one that sneaks through you and kills you. He's the opposite of clutch in those spots. Yeah. And I would like, when you see that go in, when you see that go in and you're odd, you're like, oh boy. Oh boy. Like I. Let's go Chekhov up to his heel.

I was going to say, what's the chances you see another goalie in that series? It's not impossible. I still think Freddie, if he just faces the puck and it hits him enough, that Carolina team controls so much of the play. Even the Rangers did win that game but heavy control or the play was heavily controlled for carolina for long stretches that series is far from over with a single a single rangers victory i had mentioned last week too i didn't like this all this talk about brand uh

rod bernard moore's contract yeah contract. He still doesn't have one though. He doesn't. And last week there was reports about the owner, Dundon, pulling the contract off the table. Pulling the contract. So he made him an offer and said he didn't decide quick enough? He made him an offer he could refuse? Yeah.

That's literally it. What do you all think of a godfather? I don't think it's a million dollars that they're apart either yeah did you say like no less much less it's ridiculous somebody whispered to me it was ridiculous what they're nickel and diming over that's but i did hear today that the offer might be back on the table now oh but like i guess they just have the fact that he loves it there. He wants to be there. He's Mr. Hurricane.

They have that in their back pocket. They went to him. The Rangers went to him before LaViolette. Really? Yes. And he offered him five, and he could have got six if he wanted with that owner there, Dolan. Yeah. And no, no interest.

So Dundon knows he's not going anywhere. That's why this is playing out the way it's playing out. That's such bad. I mean, actually, it's brilliant business. But in my mind, it's just such bad. It's like, come on. He's dealing with people who he's such an important part of that community. I will say, so I've dealt with Caroline a little bit.

I had some discussions with him about doing some work for them. Oh really? Yeah. And, uh, they like dorks. That's perfect for you. The first,

the first summer it was like, there's not going to be money for this, but if it works out, we'll talk. Yeah. There's not going to be money for this. What league is this? You know,

it's a badly organization. Did they offer you an internship? Unpaid internship. Okay. Yeah. Pass on that. What? No way. And Travis Green

to Ottawa, I guess they just needed to lock something up now. What does that mean? I don't know. You didn't want to kind of wait it out here? Did I? I mean, we don't know. You didn't want to kind of wait it out here. Did I? I mean, we're all in agreement. We do like Travis Green, but yeah, you know, I do.

But I just it felt to me like it was, you know, this big fresh start where they didn't have the owner who, you know, tried to save money on things. And you just you were going gonna get a name higher here um i don't think that you can say that travis green is a name you know a couple couple people writing me about him but you know why did they the consensus is why did they wait this long to get a guy you know with a 434 winning percentage as a head coach like why were they maybe they thought they could get we're waiting for a bigger name and settled or doesn't feel like they got the guy they were after when you're the owner and it's like this new flashy owners i heard you guys touch on this

with frege like aren't you gonna want to be like here is big splash guy like here they had brought in jacques martin as like the weird retro coach that was the weirdest thing ever and you're like okay first off season here is craig berube here is quenville quenville here is john cooper i don't know whatever it is yeah like you make the big time splash it's like travis green okay like is he uh you know i've liked him i think he's defensively all right yeah i don't know his winning percentage isn't great i don't know like i know that's not everything it's the teams that you have or whatever yeah but i think a little better if you're ottawa but well now i guess they focus on a trade and what does that mean?

They need to shake up this tree. Stahels needs to shake it up. So, decor, obviously. I don't think they're going to commit to Jacob Chikrin, so. Would that be a potential landing spot? Would Marner want to stay in Ontario if they did a. They're not going to pay Mitch Marner 12. No.

No. And I don't think, if you're the Leafs. I know inter division stuff. That would be fun. Watch him go win a cup with Ottawa. Yeah, it'd be great to see him win the Art Ross with Ottawa. I'd really feel great about all my takes then. That'd be awesome. Finally, the guy that gets... He had to get into the playoffs the first time

ever, and then we know what happens there. Alright, we gotta talk about the big series here edmonton vancouver she loves gonna kind of is gonna ring 12 midnight soon or is he gonna keep going i i don't know man he's really confident you know he game six he was spectacular for them remember his comment last week it's my time to shine like it's so cool yeah you want a guy coming in just being like what do i have to lose this is So game six, he was spectacular for them. Just remember his comment last week. It's my time to shine. Love that. It's so cool. Yeah, you want a guy coming in just being like, what do I have to lose?

This is all gravy. Let's go out there and have a good time. I think that's dangerous. So give me Edmonds' power play versus Vancouver's penalty kill. I think, do you know that their PK is garbage or something? No. No, I don't, but I actually think it's pretty good. If I was a Vancouver fan, I would be extremely worried.

90% PK, 91. That. Where was that in the league? The Bruins and Oilers are 95-2, and the Oilers have not given up. No, Vancouver's penalty kill. Yeah, in the postseason. Yeah. Sorry.

This is the postseason. Oh, the postseason. Yeah, they're at 90%. Okay, how yeah in the post season yeah sorry this is the post season oh the post season yeah they're at 90 okay how about during the regular season boop a new button toggle that again they are at vancouver is 17th 79.1 yeah i thought it was better i thought it was better than that i would just be very worried you know, you get this great win in the first round where you're the focus of the team. It was very low scoring, low event, like these grinded out games. And then you just get hit of a title wave.

The circus comes to town. You're just like, yeah. McDavid's just firing them through. Spielob's in the first game. You lose 4-1. You're like oh jeez now that we're out of round one

for the last few years it's been built up that everybody gets shot out of a Canada it's the best hockey of the playoffs did we see that I actually think I like we were going to this no did we see high octane we saw some big hits we saw some tight

tight checking though some people say it was like watching paint dry some games coaches had more of an influence on that first round that i can never remember i can't remember so many games where teams got 12 13 15 shots like there was it was tight checking yeah in the first round which that's all you do as a coach is control that. There are some games I watched where it's like there's five goalies playing this shift. No one can get to the middle. Nobody can get a shot through.

We're seeing like 20 minutes, three shots on goal. Well, how about the game that Vancouver ended up winning in their game six in Vancouver? My eyes were crossing for half that game. It was such a slog. And then they hit with like a minute left. They trickle one over the goal line. Meanwhile, Colorado and Edmonton are juggling

and throwing bowling pins and flamethrowers out there, scoring eight a night. They're a different beast. They're really, you know, I'm sorry to my- We have to cap like teams to block shots, like 15, a period. You're only allowed 15 blocks. Only allowed 15 blocks.

Then you got to get out of the way. No? What do you think? I think Commissioner would have a tough time getting that one through, but... Commit to the... What was it? Commit to the pain?

Commit to the pain. That was Nashville's plan. Just like get in the way, and they blocked a zillion shots. You know, can you get the defibrillator and old Petey? Get him a little fresh start here, new round. Let's go, brother.

He looks, he just looks scared a lot of these games. There's this look in his eye. He just needs a night, right? He needs one night to get him going. Speaking of blocked shots, they announced the Selke finalists. Yes. Right? Barkov? Yes. Who's the second one austin's the

third austin matthews and who uh kobatar probably kobatar no no i don't think it's kobatar i have that information anyways because austin's in it because he blocks shots right block shots and takeaways tons Jordan Stahl. Stahl. Jordan Stahl, yeah. Yeah. Like, two are, Jordan Stahl and Barkov are, like, defense specialists, and Austin's a shot blocker. Yeah, I think, you know, Jordan Stahl is a defensive role.

It's kind of weird to me that a 69-goal score is up for a Selke. It's kind of weird for me. Sergei Fedorov, when he was doing it, did Mike Medano win one or not? But he used to get... Paves won one. I think that Fedorov won. Isn't he the only guy to ever win Selke and MVP?

I feel like he was unbelievable. He played defense sometimes. One of the coolest hockey players ever, Sergei Fedorov. But yeah, Matthews is an elite defensive forward kipper. He's really good. Elite shot blocker. No. What are we... He's an elite defensive forward kipper. He's really good. Elite shot blocker. No. What are we?

He's an elite defensive forward. He's not going to win it. No, he's not. But he's one of the three. Blocking shots. He's one of the three best defensive forwards in the league. He scored 69 goals. No, I can think of more.

We do not agree. He's really good. No, he blocks shots. Yeah. Yeah. He does. And that's a really good defensive thing that he does. And he scored 69 goals.

And he played on a broken leg. And Bobby Bond, the first guy. Yes. Christ, I'm done. And what did he say in his meeting? I got hurt. What was that? He got hurt blocking so many damn shots.

He's such a warrior. All right. Tony Reale right there. We solved nothing in two hours. Our thanks to Elliot Friedman for coming in. Sammy, get a good night's rest. Thanks for nothing. It's going to be a long week for you, Sammy.

Long week. We'll wait and wait and wait and see what happens with those Toronto Maple Leafs. Your Toronto Maple Leafs. Justin and I were with them winning tie all the way. Thanks for joining us, everybody. If you get a chance, give us a rating and review. We'd love to hear from you. Enjoy your second round.