Real Kyper & Bourne - Team USA Tweaks with Eddie O + Unraveling in Vancouver

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne welcome in TNT analyst and former NHLer Eddie Olczyk (4:23) to kick off the second hour. They get into what Olympic hockey does to 'grow the game,' why Kyle Connor should be a lock for Team USA, Matthew Knies' Olympic chances, and whether the holiday season can be a distraction for players. Later, Nick and Justin regroup with Sam McKee to listen back on Adam Foote's comments on Quinn Hughes trade talk creeping into the Canucks' locker room and discuss how the team should deal with the distraction.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Did he change the jersey? He did. Wow. The Lord knows what. Look at that sweater. What a start to the national hour on the real Kipper and Bourne show. And Sammy remembers to change A jersey.

It was, that's the very jersey that I famously flew down the wing and went backhand top corner to win our very important game at the Easter Seals tournament with Eric Lindrosst. Yeah. That's what I put up there. I enshrined it. You wore 97, eh? Did you ask to wear 97?

No, it was the last one. The coat. Nobody else wanted to touch it. No, it was the last jersey. Way to go, bud? I were number four. What a hero. He did live up to it, though, five points.

Not bad, eh. Right. wherever you're watching, listening, live on Sportsnet, Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, 960 in Calgary and streaming, always on Sportsnet Plus. We're happy you're joining us. You can always download us as well on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, this hour of Real Kipperman Bourne brought to by Bet365. Nick Pipperyl, Justin Bourne, our very own Sammy McKee, Eddie Olchuk, TNT, former national hockey leaguer, will join us momentarily as we try to figure out what the heck's going on. in your NHL standings. I have a quick thought before we get to Eddie

that I want to run past you guys because we just had Dan Boyle on and we were talking in early hour if you want to catch a podcast if you were listening to that. Yeah, he was good. We were talking about some hockey Canada stuff and going to the Olympics

and it naturally got me thinking about the rink and how every day I have to hear about well, if it's ready, if it's ready, like, you know, they were willing to like send, you know, they had these rinks that they put together for, you know, these outdoor games and all these, these different things and it's like they're the force feed the nchellers to those ones but as soon as

it's not perfectly and it's it that uh the olympic thing it's like you know they sent them to lake tahoe it's like mushy it's all bluff it's just you know they're pressing them i know but it's just like you don't have to say it every day people are really excited about this and it's like the board of government meeting every article in sports i thought yeah well if the ice is ready oh i don't know if the ice is ready it's like you sent him to a pool and Lake Tahoe, but now it's like, oh, it's not good enough for them? Yeah. I think, you know, we saw Gary Batman and Bill Daly and Winnipeg, right?

With talking about it. There's just a sense that we're not really thrilled about doing this, but we're doing it because that's what the players want. But I also feel like that's negotiating with the players, like to make it a thing that they're being given rather than something that daily and basically. Detman should acknowledge this is good for hockey, for the NHL and for global interests. I think a lot of people thought that 20 years ago. I don't think.

There's, it's hard to really. Okay. So you're on the league side. Definitely. You're on the league side. Look at this. Hold on. You just said last hour telling me that you can't measure Ryan Reeves value.

You can't measure the global impact. I don't know. It would be the most important event at the Olympics. Maybe, like, maybe. I don't know. Maybe there is data. out there to find out where all like i don't know what gary said at the meeting six point seven billion dollars like get the forensic team out there and figure out where the dollars are coming from

and can you definitely look at the olympics and say it's grown us no but you might be able to say hey germany wasn't this good or switzerland wasn't this is what i know for sure i shouldn't have brought this when you guys were in diapers kipper league over here i is mr league when you guys In 1998, it was about growing the game and how great this is going to be to grow the game. We're in the year 2025. We're still hearing the same thing. This will be great to grow the game. When do we stop growing?

At least twice as big as it was when you were playing. It's grown. It's growing. My point was that if they were doing their precious little World Cup in Milan, they'd be sending them there. It wasn't frozen yet. They'd be sending them. Like they would be like, anyway. Sorry.

Just drives me crazy. me here. Hockey analysts with DNT and former National Hockey leaguer and one of the good guys in the game. Edso. Okay. How many more years

do we have to say that this is going to really help grow the game? How many more years do we need? Well, I think Kippa, first off, Borny, Sammy. Nice to be with you guys. It was always great to see you guys.

All I know is that as you get old their thing shrinks. So I don't know about growing the game. So I hear there's, I hear there's medicine for that kind of stuff, Kipper. So I think you should maybe, I think you should maybe get on the blower there and work on that. So look at, I think you know, I think you always grow the game. I mean, I don't think that that will ever stop Kipper, to be quite honest with you. I think you're always trying to reach new fans in different ways. And, you know, you always have to assume at our game and look at I think we're a lot biased here right I think we we feel like we have the greatest game in the world and we need more people especially down here in the states to be able

to to tune in and now if we can get more eyeballs on the Olympics because of you know what happened last year at the four nations and obviously the big robbery you know between Canada and the US maybe that'll be you know maybe that'll be a positive going into the Olympics now a lot of people may not know the rules are a little bit different when it comes to Olympic competition than it is and when the National Hockey League and the Players Association have their hands on it and we saw what happened last year. So for me, I think you're right. It's always, that has always been the catchphrase, but I don't think that you ever, I don't think you ever stop growing the game because I think if you feel like you have or you don't try certain things or maybe open up the door to certain

areas than you know maybe it just plateaus okay but we do get the feeling that gary batman is as the commissioner of the league is is still it seems more of a favorite of the players than his philosophy of this is really going to put us over the top well i mean i don't think there's anything i don't think there's anything wrong with that i think that that you know with what he has said and how he has said it people could certainly read into uh it uh it read into it a lot of different ways. Yeah, the players, you know, very adamant. I mean, you look at the, you know, the CBA and not going through it with a fine-tooth comb, but, you know, I'll be honest with you.

Kipper and Borny, I was a little bit surprised that, you know, maybe the players weren't fighting for some of that expansion money that's going to come in here in the next, you know, a couple of years. I mean, I only can speak to what I lived as a player. and Kipper, obviously, I mean, we're, you know, we're, we're in that, that range of the time that we played together, is that, you know, I mean, I kind of thought that maybe the players would have fought a little bit harder for that. But again, it's all about give and take, and it's no different from the National Hockey League. The players wanted to play in the Olympics, and some of them have never gotten that opportunity for whatever reason, and here we are. So I think you should just pipe down a little bit on being worried about what the commissioner. I also think that...

I'm a little bit on the commissioner's side. Here's what. Here's why the commissioner needs to position... Look, look, he's worried about the national hockey league. I mean, at the end of the day, right? I mean, he works for the owners. He works, you know, he runs the national hockey league. He works for the owners, and he's worried about... I mean, really, at the end of the day, he's worried about one thing.

And that's getting these guys over there safely. You know, him and Commissioner Bill... Deputy Commissioner... Bill Daly, getting them over there to play, the ice, all that kind of stuff, get them home safely, and then get them back to the National Hockey League. He pulled it off. He pulled off of Four Nations.

Everybody loved it. Yeah. What do I need you guys for to build me a rink that you'll be lucky to get a dollar pleasure skating after we're out of here? But it's also, if Bettman was out there and he said, this is great for the growth of the game, we love this as the NHL,

it wouldn't be a concession that they get to trade. By saying, making it something they don't want to do, they get to concede to the player. Okay, you don't get expansion money, but we'll concede and let you guys go to the Olympics. It becomes a chip for the owner. So I feel like that's why they positioned the way they do. One thing I wanted to ask you, Edzo, is in terms of growth of the game, the growth of the American game in particular has exploded.

You yourself played at the Olympics in 1984, and now you see where it is. I did the U.S. lineup the other day. I think they're the favorites. Can you believe how far that's all come? Can I believe it? I can. I think that we've gotten to a point we being, you know, Team USA and being alum, as you mentioned, Borny, of the depth and always knowing that Canada, who has always been and always will be our greatest rival, let's just make it perfectly clear on that, that we could probably put two teams together. and be really, really, really competitive.

And that's the growth. And that's when you look at the depth of American born hockey players and see how far it's come. Because for Canada, I mean, obviously, you know, you could always say at any of the, you know, any of the tournaments. I mean, I was lucky to play in the Canada Cups back in the, you know, in the 80s and in the early 90s, you know, Canada could always, you know, put together two, you know, two full teams and sit there and say,

yeah, both those teams would have a chance to, you know, to win a Canada Cup or to win a, you know, a world championship or whatever it might be. So I think that's probably the greatest compliment is that the depth at every position, you know, the star quality that you have, the different type of players that you have, that's where it's really come a long way. And you got players coming from all over. I mean, obviously right there in Toronto with Austin Matthews, you know, a kid that grew up in Arizona and has become one of the great goal scores of this time.

So I think it's just, it's great, it's great to see. And when you look at the numbers of American board players playing in a national hockey league, it is, you know, the graph or the chart has gone up dramatically when you think about where it was just some, you know, just some 25 years ago. you're watching and listening to any old chuck hockey analyst tn tn t former national hockey leaguer and uh sole copyright owner of hey hey kipper ho heave ho hey kipper yeah buddy i saw you guys i was traveling and i saw you guys and you had your video there of you skating around there playing in a tournament or something there you were uh yeah it was it was for easter seals

we raised some money we did put the video on our show yeah i saw it and no no not only did you see it you text me like 10 seconds later. Yeah, not only did you see it, you're giving it shots. Well, it wasn't a shot. I just thought that, you know, maybe, you know, maybe could have sped up the video. We run this at 1.3 speed. That's a little piece of play. Barney, Borny and Sammy, I got to tell you, when I saw Kipper out there,

he had the hips going you know I had the shoulders going I don't think he had shoulder pads on because back in the day believe it or not well I should say believe it or not because back in the day anything really was a goal there were times when you know guys just were like nah you know what I'm not going to wear shoulder pads

for practice so when I saw Kipper I'm like yeah I've seen that look before hold on you guys actually wore no shoulder pads in practice oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah till kip started running into people in the drills and ruined it for everyone dick todd used to run into people yeah hey if hey barney when kipper would get to the front of the line there you know he was like here's the here's the line it's like one of

these things just doesn't belong there right it was it was mess leech covalev kip real scott kipper if you don't know don't go If you don't know, don't go. Get back to the line here with us other stiffs. If you don't know, don't go is a great practice line. Fake it until you make it. It never really worked for me. Hey, hey, I'll just, it works for me now.

I'm just going to tell you that. Good, good. All right, on this side of the ocean, are you surprised mid-December that we've seen such a small gap between top and bottom teams right now in the league? What do you mean? I mean, the standings and how tight they are.

I mean, is this? No, not at all. Is it closer than it's been in the past? Usually we see a little bit more separation by Christmas. No. No, I mean, I don't think so. I mean, look, I think because of how close the league is and all the three-point games,

I think that that certainly has a lot to do it. You know, there's a lot, there have been a lot of injuries, so I think that that has helped some, It's helped some teams maybe get up a little bit more than maybe there would be as if there was, you know, more time for practice and more time for rest. And we know that that's not the case this year. And that's just a hand that's been dealt. But I think that the, you know, the separation is much more difficult because, you know, how good teams are and the depth of the national hockey league. So, you know, Colorado and, you know, I mean, for as great and as awesome as Colorado is, you know,

been. They just kind of look over their shoulder and they see, you know, Dallas, all Dallas has got to do is win a game and tie a game and all of a sudden they're tied to the very top of the National Hockey League. I mean, Dallas, I think if you would ask people, you know, that follow the game, if you'd ask them, you know, who's right in behind Colorado when it comes to points and wins and all those type of things? When I saw that about maybe six or seven days ago, I just kind of took, it took me, I don't say it took me by surprise, but I was just sitting there. I was like, wow, man, they've really, really played well. And, you know, Jason Robertson, nobody's been hotter scoring goals in a national hockey league. So I'm not really, I'm not really

surprised Kipper and Borny, but at the end of the day, it's the best league in the world. And you just got to get in. It doesn't matter. Just give yourself to get in. Hey, if I can't, if I could jump in there, because I know Kipper, you got your agenda and you got your notes and your paper and all that kind of stuff. I'm a pro. If I could just, yeah, well, you got crayons there. Let me, if I can, I don't know where this all, I don't know where this all kind of started, but I don't know why people have thought or are thinking that Kyle Connor is a bubble guy

for Team USA. it was a mistake not to play him in the championship game last year. I don't think there's any doubt about it, especially when you think about Matthew Kachuk was 50-50 to play, and he was less than that to finish the game, considering the guy was playing on a half a leg. Chris Kreider, I mean, there wasn't a lot of confidence with Chris Kreider. So Kyle Connor, to me,

me, what is he, a top 15 score, top 12 score in a National Hockey League right now. He absolutely, I mean, he's not a bubble guy, enough for what it's worth. He ain't no bubble guy on my team. Like he, not a chance in hell that he doesn't make this team. And what would have happened? Again, it's fair. If he's, what happens if he is in that game? He's the type of player that needs how many chances to score a goal?

He needs one chance. Right. One chance. And he has scored and made plays and stuff. So I don't know where that all started. Now, I get it. The guy gets scratched. I understand that. No, look, I don't believe in the people that I've talked to. I don't think he was hurt. You know, maybe his feelings were hurt after the fact. But I thought that that was, I thought that was a miss for Team USA for sure. And I would be absolutely shocked and stunned if he's not on that team and he's not playing a huge. huge part because he is he is a game breaker does he i mean all players i mean there are very few players that are perfect a lot of them have blemishes kyle conner isn't a perfect player but you know what i'd want him on my team and i would be i would be just stunned if he's not playing for team u.s let me well what we're talking about is let me give you my changes i did a u.s roster yesterday i would be taking out, Crider, Trocheck, and Nelson, and I would be adding Caulfield, Nyes, Robertson, and Cutter Goce.

How do you feel about what I've done there? I know that's a lot to take in all at once. Nelson and the island? For Colorado? For Colorado, sorry, yeah. Yeah. You know, you're a former Islander. You think he's, yeah, I think he's good. I think he's really good.

He's having a great year. Definitely good player. Let me ask you this, Borny. What about, I mean, what about a guy like Tage Thompson? Yeah. Super tough to keep him off, right? All he does is score goals. I don't know, like, you know, looking at the roster there,

do you want him more than maybe Cole Cofield, just based a little bigger body, whatever? Cofield terrifies me. Routing for the Canadians, Cofield, every time he touches the puck, he's scaring big moments. Oh, he's in a mix, obviously, yeah. I mean, it just, I think it all depends. Look, I can't, I can't argue.

I mean, Trocheck, to me, like, he's a, he's a gamer. like he's he can play wing he can play center you can play him in a in a matchup type situation i mean you do have some big bodies so you know he he would be a guy that for me i would be really hard pressed to think that he's you know that he's on the outside looking in really you know i had mentioned nyes uh you know earlier in the year um for team usa so i think that there's, you know, I think there's every possibility and, you know, what kind of team are you looking for and how healthy are the guys that, you know, maybe that are banged up right now and, and, you know, in counting on them to, you know, to be there. And then, you know, also on the back

end, too. I mean, you didn't have, Team USA didn't have Quentin Hughes back, you know, last year. So, you know, who's going to end up, you know, end up coming out? I don't know what Fox's situation is right now but it's uh it's going to be interesting and i think too and i should know this because i'm going to be working for nbc down here in the states is that the rosters the actual game rosters are a little bit larger than they are in a national hockey league i think there's i think there's at least one extra skater maybe two 25 right morning one on each side one extra forward one extra d is the okay yeah so you can trust 20 skaters in a game now so Like that gives you, you know, if you want to, you know,

if you think a guy's unbelievable in a shootout or you need somebody in an overtime or whatever, yeah, sure, a Coughfield, why not? I mean, so I didn't look at it. I can't argue with the guys you mentioned because they would all be on my team, but you can't have everybody. And we go back to what you guys asked me initially. That's a great problem to have for the red, white, and blue.

Listen, I know you're doing the American thing with Bob Costas and Al Michaels and I don't know who else. Oh, riding an eagle and eating. Yes, exactly, with NBC. But, you know, we're Canada up here. You know what? You know what? I'm going to cut you off right here.

You know what? First off, I didn't hear you complaining for how many years did you play in the league? How many years? 14, 15 years? No, eight and change. But you played a lot in the States. Did you not? Yeah, most of the time, yeah.

Okay. I didn't hear you complaining about making the U.S. dollar all those years. I didn't hear of the U.S. dollars right now. You weren't complaining about the tax system. No, no, no, they were pretty good to me over my years. Yeah. Yeah, I could make a couple of their comments, but I'll call you personally and tell you

those directly what I kind of think to elaborate on that. Okay, as I was, he got quiet. As I was going to ask you is here in Canada, Would you put Tom Wilson in the same class as Kyle Connor in no-brainer for Canada? I thought Tom Wilson last year, I thought Tom Wilson for four nations last year. And I continue, look, he would be, if somebody was asked, yes, I would have him on, I would have him on Team Canada, yes, I would. Yeah, it's, it feels like that's consensus. Also, you mentioned, like, someone's going to kill penalties, someone's,

got to, you know, be out there protecting the lead. He can do all those sort of things. So, um, and a guy can, he can bounce up, you know, I mean, you got to find. And again, it's such a short window. We understand this. And there's only so much time. But I think boring, and I'm sorry, I didn't mean interrupt you, but like, I think that

that's, that's, that's, you have a guy that could play with a player. And then you could, he could go ahead and play with C or D player. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you need a, if you need a penalty kill or you need, you need a jolt or an energy. You don't have to tell a guy like Tom Wilson like, you know what? We got to change the momentum of this hockey game and he knows that. So look at, I know Canada won

and they got plenty of options there. I know that. But I thought last year, you know, I thought Adam Lowry last year, you know, would have been an interesting dynamic, you know, for Canada in the four nations as far as

you know, the, you know, the NHL style and NHL type. of tournament. Yeah. Edsel, last one for me, you know, we're talking about

the Olympics and that's in February. There's going to be a break in the season. I wanted to get your thoughts on Christmas. And if there's any effect on players around this time of year

where maybe you start getting distracted or looking ahead or whatever, you know, I know as a player, I was usually traveling back home and it was on my mind. Did you ever find in the NHL

that this started to have an effect on the games at all? I mean, I don't know on the effects. I think as you get a little bit older and if you have family and if you have kids and you know you get people traveling in I think as you get older

you realize that how important it is to have you know people around at that time of year and I think when you're younger I think you just I mean honestly Borny I mean I think it's just this it's like I don't I don't need to know about who's coming in and I'm not worried about getting to the airport before I go to practice

and all it's just like so I think you know selfishly when you're younger I think you just, you tune everything out. But as you get a little bit older and you get experience and you have family, you kind of put everything in perspective. So I don't think so. I mean, I think the players, I think they're very comfortable and not, you know, you know, not sitting there, you know, in between periods, you know,

thinking about I got to get to the airport at 5 o'clock tomorrow mornings for whatever. And I'll actually be in Toronto for the, what's that game at the Leafs are playing the Penguins, right? Is that the 23rd game? 23rd, 4 p.m. Yeah, yeah, 23rd. Yeah, I'm coming in for that game. I'll be doing that game for a TNT, Kipper.

I know you want to start dropping other names now, TNT, before you. I can't keep track of all your U.S. networks. I did just want to before we let you go say how cool it was to see you surprise your son, Nick, on air at the game on hockey fights cancer night. I cried watching it. That was really, that was really cool. And so obviously you guys got a close family. hopefully you get to be together on Christmas. That was a special moment.

I appreciate it, Borny. Yeah, the mammoth reached out and Craig Amazine there, the man in charge of broadcasting. Well, I've known for a long, long time, you know, kind of wanted to set it up and I was able to get the weekend off and to see Nick. I'll be honestly because the timing was perfect because he was talking about me and my battle

and all of a sudden I kind of walked into the shot. And the way that he looked at me, the only way I can explain it was, He was talking about me, and all of a sudden, I'm walking towards him. And Kim Becker, his partner on TV, and he looks at me. And the only way I could describe it is, he looked at me and was like, boy, this guy looks like my dad. And then obviously he lost it. So it was great.

And another great job at the National Hockey League and its Players Association of all of our great fans for celebrating, I think, the greatest initiative of the National Hockey League. So very proud to have been there. So thanks for that, Borny. I appreciate it. Edzo, besides you ripping me, I love having you on the show.

And I love you, Kipp. All right. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate you, buddy. And one of the good ones in our game. That was awesome. That was fun. Peace.

Buddy, I can't tell you how hard we laughed. And, you know, I was only with him fairly, you know, a couple of years, short seasons. But winning a Stanley Cup with that guy was a blast. Pretty cool. You know, just to confirm, he played on the Olympic team, you know, we're coming on. There's a jam this in the Google machine. And it mentioned that he played on what they called the diaper line in 1984 in the Olympic team with Pat Lafontaine, I believe. Yeah.

And I forget who the other guy was. Because he stunk. Oh, so I wish. you were here to defend yourself because they were young they were child children I get the connection now little fellas I'm just thinking about a very soiled diaper no

because he was good enough to represent his country at like 19 or something like I wish he stayed on the line long enough for me to that'll get back hear me say that I mean I don't know if he's like our guest Morrow Doug McLean who hangs out on the line to listen for slander

until 6 o'clock to make sure Edzo has a life but remember the one time we had Mac on and then we said something and they were like is he still there he's like yep and then he's like the end of the fair Ferris Bueller's day off where he's in the shower and he's like you're still here go home go home go home that's essential Bueller game time game time it's game time presented by bet three six five visit the app for latest odds and see why it's never ordinary bet three six five must be 19 plus

Ontario only please play responsibly so you were mentioning uh with edzo and you offended me deeply, saying that the USA would be the favorites at the Winter Olympics for hockey and the men's side? I bet you I'm right. I would bet you you're not. The Canadian... But it's good for your article.

For sure. I would help. But I mean, listen, it's close. So these are listed as the favorites. Canada is the favorite at plus 140. USA right behind them at plus 200. That's a pretty big jump. Sweden at plus 500. Finland at

plus 800, Czechia, 12 to 1, Switzerland, 18 to 1, Germany. I hate that, Sweden, plus 500. It's not an awful number at all. And, I mean, I, like, the thing that's exciting about this is we had best on best hockey, right, where it was the four teams, it was the four nations. But, you know, Czechia is not a push-old. Like, they've got great players, like, you know, and it's going to be nice to see dry-settlese, dry-stle, yeah, it'll be great to watch them lose 6-2 to Canada

where dry-settling, I assume he's German. I don't know. So, you know, I do agree with you, though, that. I'm surprised that Bet365 doesn't have the States as a favorite because of the way the roster looks and all the momentum around them. But, yeah, Canada, still the favorite at plus 140 on Bet 365. Some of the action on the ice tonight, I thought about looking at a Ryan Reeves goal for the Leafs, but I don't know if they have it posted. Yeah. I'm just seeing what the number is.

See if they even have it posted. There's no chance there's a Ryan Reeves number to score. It's not posted. They do have, oh, they do. Yeah, it's 11 to 1. Come on. have Henry Thrun against his former team at 12 to 1 if you want to bet on that. But how about a John Klingberg goal tonight?

There's some, there's some former guys, Lilligrin. So there's some, Lily's the one I want. Lilligrins. He has worse about odds than worse odds to score a goal. He's 10 to 1. We're going tonight. I feel like it's a night tonight that the stars are going to shine. Give me a Austin Matthews and Macklin Celebrini to score Parley at plus 430.

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Please play responsibly Hey quickly before we go I got my like An email from Golf Canada today And they did like my golf year So like they send you like all your stats or whatever It's unbelievable It is a very very cool feature

So I sent her to tweet about it And some guy tweeted me I forget the guy's name He had 166 rounds played How do you play a hundred and six six rounds played How do you play a hundred 166 rounds of golf one year. He lives in Florida.

36 holes a day, eight days a week. That's so many rounds of golf. Anyways, Shadow Golf Canada. It's really cool. I love it. Made one eagle all year.

45 birds. Not bad. There you go. Not bad. I wonder what the odds are, Jacob Fowler, who was making his NHL debut for the Montreal

Canadians to pitch a shadow tonight. Yeah, that's a good one. That, it's going to be an interesting scenario. We're going to go to break. I want to get your thoughts on if this is a good move by the Canadians or a desperate

move by the Canadians. You know, a year ago, roughly, they called up Dobish. And Dobish got a shutout in his first game. And I believe he won five straight after that, and the Canadians launched their playoff bid. To record a shutout tonight,

Jacob Baller is plus 1,400. So there you go. Wow. There you go. Big number. Okay. Also, after the break, we'll get into more Quinn Hughes. That name isn't going, isn't disappearing from the talk shows.

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Oh, yeah. I really love this. So we were talking with Edzo about how sometimes you guys would wear no shoulder pads in practice, which hilarious to me, because it was a rough or tougher era. Craig Simpson text us and said, in Edmonton, we didn't even wear helmets in practice when I first got there. When Slats was pissed about how we were playing and it was going to be a hard physical practice, he could tell us it was going to be a bucket practice.

Crazy, isn't it? That is unbelievable. All right, boys, it's a bucket practice today. Not a bucket practice, coach. I love that. Here we are in 2025, and now it's a bucket warm-up. Can't go bucket list unless you're in the league before 2019 or whatever it is. That's unreal.

That is. Great story. So it should be. It should be not at risk of getting harmed by your teammates in practice. It's not like the name Quinn Hughes is kind of calmed down in Vancouver. No. And it continues to run rampant. tonight they got the buffalo sabres you're going to be doing

regional's intermissions for that yeah that and some oilers Brock Besser I think is a game time decision yeah seeing that I think they mentioned appendicitis oh is that right yeah that's not cool how come they can just come out and just yeah they just tell us like oh that makes sense okay well he'll be back in two weeks or whatever the number is well I mean I got a email from the raptors about the R.J. Barrett's

knee. It was like a four-line breakdown of all the treatments they're doing on him. I'm like, can I don't know, see these guys talk? You're rakey. Yeah, I was like, what's going on? Thatcher Demko is going to, might start tonight. He is going to start. Yeah. There you go.

I'm not sure how many coaches you could sit out of 32 teams right now and say, I'm interested in his comments, especially post-game or just comments in general. We should. But Adam Foote is one of those guys

where I know, and I don't know him well but I know him well enough to go I love having a conversation with that guy because it's just not he's just

he's going to tell you what he thinks obviously as a head coach now there's certain boundaries you can go and not go but I have a ton of interest when this guy speaks God he's such a mean hockey player Adam Flett and he was

back when I worked at the score some of my most popular articles were beer ability rankings ranking the guys who would want you'd most want to go have a beer with Adam foot high beer ability Rick talk it was always a very high beer ability guys yeah and he's also we know him with TNT and his post game comments uh are always uh you know you're going to get as much as you can out of somebody that's all uh so why don't we listen to uh we have a clip from adam foot talking about this queen hugh stuff and how it just won't go away from yesterday yeah all right Just following up, Jeff's earlier question about just kind of the mood of the room and how the guys are handling the struggles.

There's also been a lot of talk in the last few days about Quinn's future. Is that something, I mean, the guys hear it. They know what's going on. Like, is there, is that having an impact as well on the room and just the mood of the guys? Yeah, I mean, I don't even think, you know, they obviously hear it, like you said. I think when I've been around things like that, you're not talking about it. You're not, you know, you're trying not. think about it but it's there and you can feel it certain days more than others i can feel it certain

days more than others and these guys are human they can feel it um it's it can affect for sure a locker room i have to give the guys credit like they're they're in a tough spot hearing the noise and uh they keep coming to work every day and keep keep doing their job and that's their pros that's what they're supposed to do but you know answer your question they can hear it And it probably affects some players more than others. But like I said, they give him a lot of credit for the way they're handling it, coming to work, coming to, try to win hockey games, like men to their job. Yeah.

Some coaches would just. Next question. Next question. Yeah, no comment. He's fine. That's just noise. We're focused on the game. Exactly.

You know, I was thinking about this whole scenario today. And everyone talking about the Quinn Hughes trade is talking about how, well, you got to get the most teams in as possible. You got to get to the deadline. You got to get to March. You got to wait until, you know, people know who's buyers and sellers and yada, yada. I think it's happening. Like people, like Quinn Hughes is at some point going to get traded.

It feels like maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like a foregone conclusion. No, no, no, no. He's not signing. He's not signing. So it's. Is it? Unless he wants to move. up today and changes his mind

and turns around and starts giving so much love to I want to work this out I want to be here we're going to get a deal done never happened with Marner and the Leafs it's not going to happen here it's not happening so to me it's like

they can't have a second straight season of pure toxicity they need to just do it if it's happening and they said to all the teams in the league don't come to us and say you didn't know we were going to trade him by January 15th we're going to make a decision get your offer in whatever this has got to happen we need to move on we need to start whatever our new next is and for me to just have another year where it's December 11th and we're going to drag this team through it and their fan based on March that won't happen I think if he if if the Vancouver Canucks hate what's out there they may stretch it to the summer oh like they can't this is what I'm saying you can't do that you can you can you can I guess you can't

There's a trade either that bad. If there's offers that are in your mind unacceptable. But the pushback for that with me, if I'm the Vancouver Canucks, I'm getting way more for them if I get two playoff runs as opposed to one full season with insecurity. Like if you trade with the devils in the summer, you know he's going to sign there. Right? Like that's how he's going, I want to play with my brother.

He gets to sign there. But like if you're trading him to the, let's say the caps. How about Carolina? Or Carolina or wherever. Like what's his no trade situation? You have zero trade protection. So you can take the highest offer that you're going to get two full playoff runs. I don't think they can't wait to the summer.

I think they got to push this in here. And if you got the coach and the media saying it's affecting, guys, I mean, what would the – I mean, I've never been in a locker room like that. But like, can you imagine your best player, the guy that's your captain? Every day in the media, there's a new report. There's a new team. That's got to be bringing the boys down so much, man. We just heard from Adam Foote, and I give him full credit.

for trying to be as honest as he can or humanize it. And it's great for us. For sure. For people to identify with the human aspect of this whole scenario. Jimmy Rutherford's another guy who's got a great reputation. If you have a conversation with him, if he's on after a game with, you know, hockey night in Canada, after hours, he's going to give you as much on. honesty as he can in saying that I think it backfired on him somewhat not a snowball's chance

that we're dealing with this today if last season he didn't volunteer Quinn Hughes with his brothers it was something that he did on his own it did not come out in the media it didn't It wasn't driven anywhere, but he started this. And with another year on his deal, the noise wouldn't be remotely this loud if he just didn't do that. You think so? I think he's got two things in mind there. For sure. In my opinion, anyways.

But you don't think, but he's right. And everybody probably knows that he wants to go to the devil. There's a big difference between thinking it with the media and then hearing some. who has inside information on it. To me, completely the guy in control. He soft launched something that was going to be an inevitability. He sees it coming and he's starting to get people prepared for this. If this was this time next year, okay, I get it.

But a year and a half, we've never seen it this far away this loud. Yeah. And, you know, it could be that that was his frustration that he wanted to move this along himself. if this guy, if he believed that Hughes doesn't want to be a part of what they're doing, then maybe that's part of his way as saying, well, then let's just rip the Band-Aid off and start this process.

I don't know. But it is unfortunate. Like, Kinnock's fans deserve a lot better than the way the last two years have gone. You know, there's a good article. Wasn't that long ago. Today in the athletic,

just about, you know, them sort of believing, though, that they were legitimate team a few years ago. But weren't they? Not really. Things kind of went really well at the right time. Like, they were fine. I thought they were a good team. Yeah, but they weren't cup contenders.

I don't know. But anyway, I just, this whole thing. But, like, coming off of that season into the next one, you would have thought that they were in the mix as a playoff team and a good team and wanted, like, to. With Quinn Hughes. Yeah. Patterson, who's a legit, 100-point guy.

It's funny. Demko, like Horvette instead of Miller, or sorry, Miller instead of Horvats. Probably where it starts. Yeah. You got to pick one of your centers. You trade Bo Horvatt. And then you usually both.

And then you got to move in both. That's the guy who stays doesn't work with PD. In the time warp where you keep Horvett and he gets along with PD, are you still good and Hughes sticks? I don't know. The star of Team Canada, TB, by the way. What did the J.T. Miller trade end up being? Like, what do they get?

He'll, that, uh, Heedle, man. They got, like, they didn't get a legit piece back. Like, I'm looking at Hughes and going, if the... Mancini, Heedle, and a draft pick. Ugh. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's an, ugh.

It is. It is. There's no way around it. No way around it. And Heidel had that reputation of he's one hit away. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

If I'm... And you took them. The Canucks. I'm saying, there's Noah Dobson. Dobson just went for two firsts in the next. draft plus a player that's our we start there obviously and then we need a lot more than that yeah and i look at what that did for the aisles organization in terms of feel and look and direction and hope and all that it happened quick they they have to do well in this trade

but again i do think that urgency is important for the fan base i think you're going to risk losing people and you can't you drag this till god knows june if you're calling other teams for Quinn Hughes. They can't be like there's untouchables. Like, there's no one. If you're trying, it's Queen Hughes. There's no untouchables in a trade if you're another team. I don't know if it's stemming out of Vancouver or what, but people want to now link Nico Hissure to

Quinn Hughes. And it's like a starting point. It's not happening. Why not? Why? Because if he wants to play with his brothers, I'm going to wait two years. Oh, okay. That's why. They're not their good players. Oh, okay. All right. That's why it's not happening. Okay, that makes sense.

could trade him anywhere he's going to go there anyway if i'm new jersey and i believe that and jimmy was right last year yeah then i'm not giving up that my captain i'll just wait it out yeah i mean and that's the danger but and that's why they're they got to create a market they got to go outside of new jersey because new jersey's sitting there going hey jimmy remember what you said old fittsy fitz he's not giving in i guess he only thing for New Jersey is just, you know, what do you think your timeline is? Like, can you afford to just pick the can for two years?

And not great. Is it ready? Are they ready? Jack Hughes, you know, stepped on a landmine or whatever happened there. He's in trouble. I do think that, though, if they get Quinn Hughes

and have Jack Hughes back in the second half of the season, they're going to take off like a rocket ship. Right? Like, I think they'll be pretty dangerous second half team if they had those two guys in the devils. Jacob Fowler tonight. Jacob Fowler, Montreal Canadiens. You tease that it's going to break.

Panicking. They're panicking. Montreal thought they were there. They're hauling up an awesome goalie. Oh, panic. He's 20. How is he? 22?

He's a kid. It's just rushing him up there. Oh, my God. Yeah, because all the other boys were hurt. They need a shot in the arm like Dennis. Oh, okay. The Hilda B is given the Leafs. Jacob Fowler, it basically said every record known to man.

you know, in college. He was the Division 1 goalie of the year last year. In the AHL, he's T2 and wins, first in shutouts, sixth and save percent. He's 21. Really, really, really good. They're goaltending right now, really, really, really bad. This is not more complicated than maybe we put in the good one

and take out the not good one. Can I ask you, though, like, are the HABs, you know, they've arrived? No. It's time. That's what I mean. What do you mean? Arrived? Well, that's what I mean.

They think they've arrived. They're talking about trading for cadre to put him over the top of the cup. That's what scares me. They're like calling up their goalie to save this mid-te. They're okay, but they're not there yet. And Lane Hudson is fantastic and he's upsides, great. He's not ready yet to win a Stanley Cup for the Montreal Canadians. I just, he's not.

I love that they're looking at where they're at in their standings and they're like, panic, panic button. I love it. But I think I, listen, he can be play great. You can be really good for them. But I just don't think that they're going to bring a 21-year-old goal. He's going to play every other night and he's going to be fantastic and they're going to go on some big run.

I just think it's a little bit of an early move. I do. Well, I mean, it's going to be fascinating to watch. I am curious to see if they make another move so they call him up. Are they going to make this trade for a center? Are they going to do something bigger here and try to... We've got to trade Christmas holiday freeze coming up. I'm just wondering if we're going to see anything before that.

Yeah, I don't know. A lot of talk. lock out there, not much action. When does that hit, usually? Maybe around the 17th or 18th. Yeah. I always remember being pissed off because Berkey would be like, I have an earlier one than everybody else.

It's like, no, just, you can trade too, Ryan. I was when I was a Leaf fan, I was young, I was a pissed. Oh, man, I had a chance to trade for Sidney Crosby, but I had that freeze. Yeah, yeah, you know, it was just that I had the extra days that I put in there, the fake one, but he was a good guy. So, sorry, Berkey. That always drove me crazy.

Yeah, we got six. Canadian teams in action tonight. Vancouver Connects are at it. You guys are going to the Toronto Maple Leafs. San Jose game. San Jose game. We'll text you. Yeah, I appreciate that thing. Yeah. I'll be here. A lamb chop. Not that I don't like being here.

You guys go to the alumni booth tonight. We'll drop by the alumni. You've been in there. Kippur would be too embarrassed to take me in there. It depends. No, no, no. Listen, there's still... Hey, hey, I won't be embarrassed as long as you still have time to go home and change. Oh, shut.

Well, unlike you, Kipper, I was going to wear a lease jersey. Oh, my gosh. I'm like, unlike you, I'm not going to put on my suit to go to the lease game. I got a nice jacket. You know, I got a nice peak coat that I'll wear. I got a nice leaf hat. I'll change up a little bit. Like, you know.

Face painting tonight? No time, man. No time to face paint. No time. So what do you got? You got a prediction for tonight? The lease? Yeah.

They better win. Must win. Must win. Can't lose. You have completely invalidated those sayings for the rest of the season. Shut out. Oh, my God. The Hill the Beast.

No, I think. With his 930, what, what is he? 930, save percentage? I think Leifes win three or four, two. Macklin-Selbrini has a goal. Awesome, Matthews has a goal. And I don't know who else is going to score. There you go.

Buffalo Van, you got a prediction for the Canucks? Pain. They're both going to lose. No, it's going to turn around for the Canucks. They're getting a win tonight. Oh, Scratch and score tonight, for sure. Scratch and score. Robertson.

Fun show today. Yeah, good show, boys. Yeah. Dan Boyle, if you didn't catch us in our Leaf Hour edition, give us a download. Spotify, Apple, or YouTube.

He was really good, particularly around the power play. And Eddie Olchuk, of course, hockey analyst, TNT. A plethora of games tonight. Pick yours. Is that a word? Oh, yeah.

Have a good night, everybody.