Real Kyper & Bourne - The Hottest Names on the Trade Market

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Former NHLer Garry Galley joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne (4:13) as players return to practice following the Olympic break. He shares his thoughts on the level of play in Milan, whether Canada should have regrets with their roster selection, and Macklin Celebrini stealing the spotlight. Then, he discusses the challenge of returning to NHL action after playing at the Olympics, Juraj Slafkovský's development, and the outlook for each Canadian team down the stretch. Later, Nick and Justin regroup with Sam McKee to discuss the Avalanche acquiring Brent Kulak from the Penguins for Sam Girard and a second-round pick before going through the names on Kyp's latest trade board, including Elias Pettersson, MacKenzie Weegar, Robert Thomas, and more. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

We go national on the real Kipper and Bourne show. We are live on Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, 960 in Calgary. And streaming always on Sportsnet Plus, Spotify, Apple Podcast at your convenience. While Sammy does the walk of shame. We haven't had jerseys to change, I don't think, right? So it's just been Canada left up there. Can you all on YouTube give Sammy a thumbs up for screwing up? Oilers.

There you go, Sammy. Oilers. Connor McKeon. I'm a big MVP. Clearly deep in thought. I actually was, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Thinking about some things lately. Why?

A couple things bouncing around the old bird brain recently, boys. This hour of Real Kippron Bourne. Brought to you by Bet365. In a few minutes, we'll welcome in Gary Galley, former National Hockey Lager, often on our show. Love his takes. Just finishing off the first hour,

we're talking about ratings. You said that south of the border, they set a record, they beat poker. What did they do? NBC 20.6 million viewers, 26 million at the time of the Golden Goal, the most viewers ever for a pre-9 a.m. sporting event. The numbers in Canada, I'm told, was 8.7 million, which I think is disappointing.

Well, is that spread across multiple networks, though, right? Like it was a lot of place. Yeah, but they're all accumulated together. That's the total? That's the total. It does seem low. In 2010, when you were there. When I was there.

Get Caprioz is on the broadcast. 17.9. And peaked at 26 million. A couple things relevant there. Time of puck drop. Sucked. Yeah. Really sucked.

So it wasn't me. 5 a. Well, no, no, no, no, no. You have your piece. You get a piece of that to puck drop time. You know, I feel of the people at West. It's a 5.10. That was brutal of West.

If you're listening in Vancouver right now, you know that you had to be up at 5 a.m. By the way, that is just a little bit of penance for your unbelievable luck with Spartans, start times otherwise. The West Coast is the best for sports. Couldn't disagree more. It's incredible. 4 p.m. hockey games start. Next games are on at 7 p.m. It's just the best.

And football? What do you do after 7 p.m.? What do you do to 7 p.m.? But football start times like 10 a.m. Big fan. Oh, Miller Lights for breakfast back then. What a life. I did that on Sunday.

Yeah, but there's a 1 VM here. No, I meant for the hockey game. Oh, yeah, that. I'm happy to get into this with Gary Galley, but as we start getting into that NHL frame of mind. It's tough getting there. If we look at all Canadian teams, like should we be worried about maybe having no teams?

in the playoffs. In Canada, we're going to welcome Gavin McKenna and Keaton Verhoff. And they're all coming north of the border, baby. Not in April. No, not in April. That's true. So tell me. Do you just say zero?

I'm sorry? Is there a chance? No. That will have zero representation from Canada in the Stanley Cup playoffs. I guess there's always a chance. So you're thinking the Oilers are going to crash. Montreal and Edmonton would have to take horrific days. Oilers lost their last three regs.

regular season games. Yeah. Regulation, no points. They start on the road, I think, in California. Okay, you've been thinking about this. You put some thought into this. I'm just... He's just saying there's a...

I did a hit last night for SportsNet Central, and I was talking to Faisal, and he asked me how many teams are making the Stanley Cup playoffs out of Canada. And I'm like... Last year we almost had six. I had to take a look going, I hope at least...

two, three. We'll start with Toronto. Was there about to get hot after the break? Toronto's a lock for sure. No, it's just, it's Montreal of Edmonton. Those two teams. Let's welcome in the voice of reason here.

Former National Hockey League defenseman, Gary Galley. Gals, how are you, my friend? I'm doing great. How are you guys? How was the break? It was kind of fun, but it got a little boring, a little bit early in the first.

week, but it got rather interesting in the last week here. And I'm going to, I'm not, you're not going to get lucky to dodge the, how many Canadian teams are we looking at to make the playoffs here? But give us your overall thought on, on, on what you witnessed out of Italy. You know what? It's, it's incredibly good hockey. I mean, anybody who's played the game at a, you know, at a level, a decent level can look at those games and go, holy crap, are they moving at not only a high speed, but the execution

of the plays at high speed. I thought the games were fantastic. Anytime you're in a one game elimination, it's like everybody's played in a game where a goaltender stole a game on you, right? Then you don't play them. I remember playing against in games, you know, Glenn Healy one time when I was at Bowling Green made like 70-something saves in a game. and beat us and they had no business beating us. Anytime you have a one-game elimination, anything can happen, anything. You don't have the opportunity to heal players

in a long seven-game series where maybe they miss game one and two but can come back for games five, you know, four, three through seven. You don't have that opportunity. Whoever's there is there, you've got to go with them. I thought it was a really exciting game. I like a lot of other people.

I think that Canada certainly did enough to win the hockey game, but Connor Hellebuck for two periods was absolutely stunning. And just, you know, when I see the thing end, I don't know, you guys tell me, winning is excitement and fervor and all the things that go along with that excitement when you win. Kip, you want a cup, you know what that feels like at the end. I see so much relief on the face of players now when they get into this situation where it's gold or nothing, or you're the favorite. And if it doesn't work out, you have to take it on the chin for four more years.

You just see so much relief on the face of the players. First, that excitement, and I was like, oh, man, you know, we're so happy that we got that done. And we'd have to listen to this for four years. So good on the U.S., congratulations. What a moment for the, you know, for, you know, for use. I mean, this is like, this guy is, it's blown off the charts. If you didn't know who he was in the world, you know who he is. now and his name is forever going to be

on the tip of the tongues of a lot of a lot of U.S. hockey fans and people in general about what he just did. It's funny you mentioned that relief part and it only it only hits the most on the stars right? Because they carry the most weight I'll never forget being on the ice for game seven winning the Stanley Cup and looking at Brian

leach and we're like I'm a idiot screaming and he had no time for it. All he said was, thank God that's over. That's what he told me on the ice. Thank God that's over. And that just speaks totally to the relief of having it over. And more importantly, him being on the winning side here. So what do you think it does for a guy like Connor McDavid going back to Edmonton who doesn't get that relief?

It obviously takes some of the shine off being in this moment. I think when you feel like it rests just on you. But remember, all these guys are stars. They're the top end of the cream of the crop, especially on Canada and the U.S. You look at these two teams that were in the gold medal game. These are the stars of stars. So yes, it will fall on a certain half dozen players still on that team. But at the end of the day, I just, like I said, I was really, that's the first thing I see

when you look is that relief. And you mentioned Brian Leach and those guys. I can't imagine the weight that they carry within a hockey game and within a series and within a playoff three, four, three months that you have to go through to be on that game all the time and knowing that if you're not, your chances of winning aren't there.

I do think like, yeah, you know, Taze misses an open net, McKinnon misses an open net. You know, the breakaway, McDavid, you know, just all the things that, you know, Celebrini, the breakaway, like all those things could have been the end of the United States in that game. And every time one didn't go in,

I just kept thinking of myself, you know, I've seen this rodeo before. I've been here. I bought the T-shirt. I've, you know, I've seen this thing where if you don't take care of business,

eventually it comes back to bite you. And unfortunately, it did. And again, I tip my hat to Canada. I thought they put a great effort forward played. They saved their best game of the tournament for the last one. They left nothing on the table there and they certainly should not, you know, feel like they let anyone down whatsoever. I know the silver is always tough because you get the silver and losing. The team that wins the bronze is always thrilled to have a medal, but the silver usually gets shunned a little

bit. I don't blame the guys for being disappointed, but I tell you, as an ex-player and a hockey fan, I was truly proud of them. One more for me anyways on Canada. And, I appreciate your, they left everything on the table comment, but you know, you were a defenseman. We watched Morrissey go down. God bless Drew Dowdy, but he couldn't come in and fill those minutes. And did Canada in your mind leave Bouchard or Schaefer on the table going into this thing?

I just think with Bouchard, I'm just not sure there was a total 100% buy-in that they felt like, like, you know, there was just too many gray area there, maybe as far as defensively. I know he's come a long way. And I know in so many parts of his game, he's super electric. But it's those other things that I think they just couldn't get around. Maybe at some point they will. And maybe they should.

You know, obviously Schaefer, a young kid, you think should he have been there? That's a lot to throw on a young kid's plate. You look at what I'm sure Kail McCariff thinks is an error in judgment going one way. You could imagine if that was Schaefer, what it could do to a young kid in his first year or whatever. I think McCar is going to handle that so much better and understanding that he brought a lot to the table in that game. He made a decision. He gets paid a lot of money and he's on that team to make decisions. He made the decision. It didn't work out. I'm not saying it was the wrong one. It just didn't work out. If he steps in there and picks that off and it goes the other way,

everybody's like wow what a great insane play but it didn't work out that way and that's why those guys are are there because they they methodically take the chances when they feel they're right and who's going to argue but it just didn't work out i can't imagine that happening to a young kid um in his first year and in that so i i don't doubtie i get it i think i i think for sure you could see that father time has caught up to him a little bit and and certainly he wasn't they weren't able to use him and you don't expect to lose morrisie right away but you know Morrissey has had problems staying healthy. Like last year and the year before in the playoffs, the poor guy seems to always, you know, can't get away from the injury bug. And when you lose a guy like that, a guy that they really felt like was going to be lugging some minutes

and someone they could count on, the power play, and in times in the game where they needed a guy they can count on, they didn't have them. And that certainly hurt them for sure. But, you know, every team in that tournament probably had things going on with players that, you know, that were injured and banged up. up and now you're coming back and can imagine LA, no Fiala.

Rantnan's going to be gone for a period of time. Morrissey, they're not sure what's going to happen with him. You know, so, yeah, headman looks like he's going to be okay, but we talked about this before, this whole thing went out there, that when they finally come back, this is a condensed schedule. This is going to be like every other night and then some till the end, and then you've got to lock and load for the attrition of the playoffs. There's going to be some wounded here moving forward,

and it could affect what people think our favorites coming down the stretch, it might be injuries may change a lot of things. Gals, easy thing to do when you don't win is to pick apart, you know, what else could we have done, should we have done? Who did you like? Who is someone that's a part of this for us to build on as we, you know, we go back at it in two years, get your mock lineups ready. You're it's almost time again.

I love that celebrating. Man. Yeah, right. Is he something? I mean, just that, like, could you imagine, like, you're 19 years old and you're coming in, like, I can imagine coming in. They paired me with, like, with Bobby Orr. So here, you're going to play with Bobby Orr tonight. Like, you know, it's like, are you kidding me?

Like, you know, I would lose myself. I would be, like, so caught up. Like, you put him with McDavid, you put him with Crosby. You put the kid with anybody. Or stick him on a line with a couple other guys. He makes it happen. He makes things happen. He brings you to the edge of your seat.

Those are the things. Those are the players that you remember through their careers when they're long gone and out of the game. Players that bring it to the edge of your seat every time they touch the puck when they're on the ice. Those are the things you remember about a player. And I think for Celebrini, I was really, really, I was impressed with them before. But then to see him up against the best of the best and full credit to John Cooper, he didn't hide them, man. He threw him right into it and said, son, it's time to swim. And boy, did he ever.

He was really good. I think the future looks really bright for that young man and being a leader for Canada and moving forward for many, many years for team Canada. That's the guy that really stuck out for me the most. You're watching and listening to Gary Galley, color analyst for Sportsnet, Hockey Night in Canada. Gals, if we say in particular,

the U.S. hockey team in terms of their last 72 hours and the challenge for some of them, including Austin Matthews to get ready to play tomorrow night. What can we truly expect out of some of these guys? You know the thing that I watched in that gold medal game especially? If you watched Austin Matthews and Jack Eichol, which are two of the prominent centermen in the U.S. hockey team and around the National Hockey League,

they are good solid 200-foot players. you know, Eichel really, I think, when he left Buffalo, was an excellent player, injuries held him back, but when he got to Vegas and the Cup and how he played and certainly a consmite candidate and maybe should have won it, who knows, but he has developed and respected both ends of the ice now where his effort level is going back and forth

through the whole ice, and so was Matthews. He's always kind of been that. He's been a really good 200-foot player, but I really, really liked the way that they played in that gold medal game. And those two guys really played hard at both ends. I think for Austin Matthews, I think for a lot of guys going back to their teams, winning a tournament like that is going to make you feel fantastic.

It's going to make you feel on top of the world. You're going to come back. I mean, you won, you know, this is the Olympics, the best in the world. And you have a gold medal. So certainly that's in your trophy case. You have the experience to dig down and grab from. You have all these players that you rubbed elbows with for three weeks. and that you have the rest of your life to walk around with and say,

hey, we did this together. But you have the knowledge of all those players, and you watch them get ready, and you watch them prepare, and you watch them practice, and you just learn from all that. These great players are incredible computers that upload data, and they just fire it in there, and then they get better and better and better. So I think that's really a real plus. The downside of it is you're going to come back

and you're going to feel like you're playing a minor hockey game, because it's just going to be like, not the same speed, not the same players. You know, your expectation level is going to be, it's going to be what just happened here. I liken it to like winning the Stanley Cup. And then the next year you come back and your first preseason game is like, you know, or your first, you know, regular season game,

it has nothing like the games that you've been playing for three months winning a Stanley Cup. So it's hard to get back and get yourself back in the group. But having one is going to be a lot easier for those guys than the guys who are come back from Canada and feeling the sting of not getting the gold. Hey, watching Yerai Slavkovsky for that Slovakian team was, I mean, I know he has taken a stride in recent years. We've seen him get better and better. It's just a reminder, though,

he almost looks even against the best teams, like the kid in minor hockey who's developed ahead of everyone. He's just bigger and faster, like just has these tools that other people don't have. He's something else right now. Yeah. You know, he's figuring it out. You know, like, it's not that guy who just stepped on the ice and just, you know, sheer talent, you know, the sexy sports car and away he went, right?

This is a kid that had to figure it out. They screamed to have him sent down to LaValle fans and some of the management, I think, thought might be a good idea. His coach stuck by him and said, no, I think we're going to keep him here. I want to keep him here. I think the player, you know, appreciated that. And I think you don't do that to a player unless the coach knows he works hard. He listens. he tries. He's a good kid. He's a good teammate. Those are the reasons why you do do that.

You know, if he was some kid who didn't work hard or didn't care. Yeah, I get it. You say, go to LaValle, figure it out. But Marty saw something in the kid. And I think the one thing I like about him when you hear him talk is he will pick other players in the league that he looks up to the way they play. And he looks at their size and their stats and everything. He goes, okay, I want to play like that. So he's trying to incorporate a Brady Kachuk in himself. He's trying to incorporate other players. in the league that he sees has his size and his physicality that he's capable. He's a big kid and he's really strong. And now you throw him into this power play with these dynamic players like Demadoff and

Hudson and Caulfield and Suzuki. He's the big body down low, causing havoc. And he can pass the puck. He's got great passing skills too. He has good skill sets. It's just a matter of putting it all together. And I still don't think it's all together yet, but I think it's coming. And I think when Montreal continues to add more pieces to this,

they're going to be really excited about some of these young guys that they selected and how they're growing. And that happens in a good environment with a good coach, good management team, good people surround, good teammates, and it grows, right? And he's growing for sure. Okay, gals, we've got to get everybody in the NHL mode right now. We're looking at the standings, and we definitely thought the majority,

of the season that Edmonton is the leader of the pack here in Canada to potentially be the best chance to bring a Stanley Cup on Canadian soil yet we look at the standings and it's not that comfortable for them especially when you consider Seattle and Anaheim right behind them and L.A. King's only four points behind them and then we go into the Eastern Conference and And where is Toronto and Ottawa on all of this? And Montreal, who's had a good season. No question, but Boston's right behind them as well. How nervous should Canadian fans be in general here by April?

Well, looking at it right now, we have two teams in. How many teams, I can't remember the last team that went to the Stanley Cup three consecutive years in a row after losing the first two years. You know, I just can't think of a team on the top of my head don't know if there is one. And that's what Edmonton would have to do. They would have to get to the Stanley Cup final for a third time, having lost to, and then try to change it at that point.

I think a lot of stuff came out before the Olympics, the dry cycle, and now Paul Coffey's coming into the mix. I think there's a lot of, it seems to be there's just a lot of uncertainty from their top end players to if they're on the right path. And do they have the right personnel? and do they have the right pieces they need to make this thing work? And I think it's starting to kind of come out a little bit, which could be healthy.

It could be healthy, too, right? It's not that it's not healthy. It could be healthy, but you've got to have the, you know, you've got to have the ability to fix and create that kind of positive atmosphere that you're moving into the playoffs with. So that's going to be a challenge for Edmonton. For Montreal, hey, they just keep going.

They, you know, they don't really think about the end result. They're just going along the process. Okay? I don't think anybody in Montreal went in there to start the season and said, hey, we're going to win the Stanley Cup. They're like, hey, we're going to come out here, build on what we did the year before. Our players are growing. They had playoff experience.

Let's go. So they're just running and going. I see them not having a problem. Now, Toronto and Ottawa, they've got some ground and makeup, and it's not going to be easy. And those are the only two Canadian teams that I feel like, you know, if they could get on a good run. And that would mean, obviously, Allmark and Ottawa playing a ton of games down there. the stretch and being lights out that whole time because this is a big strong team that can score and they're getting Kachuk back and Sanderson that just won a gold medal is going to be some

excitement and energy there so they've got to continue to go but all marks the key there he's got to come back and be really really good for them and he's done it before so he's capable of doing that for the Toronto Maple Leaf it just seems to be like you know when you when you least expect it that's when they give you their best and when you're expected it seems to fall off a little bit lately. So they've kind of got things running and going again a little bit. Again, Austin Matthews will come back with a lot of positive energy. And hopefully they can get on a bit of a run, get healthy. Everyone should be fairly healthy at this point.

And they're going to need all hands on deck. And they're going to need some guys in Toronto that have not played up to snuff are going to have to get there after this three-week break. And the three-week break does that too. It gives you an opportunity to kind of forget it about a little bit, let some things go, get hockey out of your head and hopefully in a roundabout way when you come back you feel a little more positive and you get at it. The thing that I am looking forward to seeing are the teams that have been on incredible roles. Can they keep it going? Can Buffalo keep this thing going?

They've been on this insane role and running along and I'm sure the Olympic break came at a terrible time for them. They just wanted to keep racking up points. It'll be interesting to see if teams like that can keep that thing going, just step back in and take off where they left. off. Last one for me, gals, just your thoughts were a little over a week to the trade deadline now. Do you think we're going to see a more active one? I was wondering if the time off of the GMs gave them more time to sort of work through some things with one another as we head into that time frame.

Yeah, I think over the next little while, I think there's going to be a lot of conversations as to where teams stand, obviously. Like, they're going to make decisions. Okay, even if we get in, this is not going to really be productive for us. So let's make some hard decisions and do it. We all know the Coleman and the cadres and all that. We all know the players in St. Luke. Everyone knows the names of the potential characters that are going to be thrown out there

and see if they can't help other teams. But I think teams are going to be really careful here. I think there's a lot of teams that are playing well that may just go into the playoffs going, hey, I think we're good. You know, I think we're good. I think we feel like we've got it all going here. And let's not bring something into the mix that might throw things off. But I do see a lot of action at the deadline because I do believe there's a lot of teams that are going to be thinking if I had a player to, maybe we can go from the bubble and put ourselves in.

Or maybe we can go from being back in the pack and get some energy and get our team going. You know, like Minnesota and Dallas guys, like they're playing each other. That's like they're known that. So you're preparing, I mean, unless something crazy happens, right? I mean, they're playing each other. And so they got all this time to prepare for that series and how they're going to win that first series and maybe adding a player that they feel like it's going to help him

in a situation like that. I mean, I think there's a couple of situations like that. I mean, for L.A., you lose Fiala, gun for the year. You picked up Panera and now you just lost Fiala. So they're certainly going to be in the hunt for some help, a player to try to relieve that loss of Fiala. So I do believe it'll be a busy deadline, but I think there's going to be some teams

that are going to shock some people. they're not going to do as much as they think. Gals, so happy to have you back on our show, man, talking to NHL hockey. All right, guys, much appreciated. We're back. Yeah, we are back. I got my first game on Saturday. It's been like, it feels like I'm starting the season over.

I know. I'm looking forward to hearing you, gals. All right, man. Appreciate it, guys. That is Gary Gally. Color analysts with SportsCent and Hockey Night in Canada. Getting ready to rock and roll this weekend. And as he's talking, Kipper's trade board drop.

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As I scroll over to the NHL On On Bed 365 We have NHL hockey lines On here. There's NHL hockey line scheduled for the NHL hockey games that are starting tomorrow night. I'm just going to go right ahead and look straight at the Toronto Maple Leafs.

What do you think the Toronto Maple Leafs the number is for them in Tampa tomorrow? Plus 160. They are plus 185 on the 180 line. They are pumping some Miller light into that line. As soon as I said that, I was like, yeah, it's two. Plus 185, the Tampa Bay Lightning are minus 2 25 favorites in that game tomorrow night. That is a big number. You never see the Leafs that big of an underdog.

you can understand why. I think I will. Maybe that's because they don't know if Austin's playing. Or because they know he is. Good point. I'm good to go again, coach. Cloud of cigar smells. 0.15.

The one that the late game, Oilers, I mean, man, for Connor McDavid, just flying right back into Anaheim to take on the Ducks. The Anaheim Ducks minus 105 in that game. they're definitely pumping a little bit of that into that game. Minus 1-15 for the Oilers on the other side. If anything, he's coming back sober and pissed. So I don't know if he's playing in that game. They might have to fly the other way around the globe.

That's a long... Yeah, that's a haul, man. That's a haul. So lots of lines for the games tomorrow night, which, yeah, like I said, they get back underway tomorrow, which we're all looking forward to. Tonight last open night in the evenings. I just had all these evenings off,

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And tarot only, please play responsibly. Kipper. Just to follow up, do we have to worry at all about at least having two teams in the Stanley Cup? No. Edmonton, you don't have to worry about them, do you? No, you don't.

You don't. You don't? You don't? Montreal? No. Montreal's got 72 points. I think the last playoffs, probably. Like, how many points? 69, pal. Yeah, 69.

No, they're fine. Three. They're fine. They're fine. They're a good team. They're a good team. They're a good team. Okay.

Two. Two out of seven. I like Ottawa, too. Oh. Yeah. But they're going to go like six. Can we get those standings back up again one more time? You like Ottawa?

I like Ottawa. But you don't like the Leaves, but you like Ottawa. And they have the exact same games played. and the exact same points. Well, in my defense, the nerd numbers like the Sends. Have a better team. And they like the nerd numbers like the Sends.

They just can't get a safe. The nerd numbers really like the Sends. Their goal tendons, their goal tendons been an abomination. And maybe with a month off to refresh. That's a purely statistical take. You're right. So I will say this,

whether you're the Leafs or Ottawa now, and you get on this hot streak, you don't want to play them in the first round. No. Neither team getting hot. If Allmark's really good or wool finds it or something. Leaves got to play Tampa in the first round.

No. No, Carolina. Oh. Buddy, Carolina. You hate Carolina. You hate Carolina. If your Leafs get in playing around 640 or 650, you're going to like their chances against Carolina. Matthew's playing well.

Nice. Yeah. Popping. Their D-course. Oh, buddy. Like, all that would have to be. They have the best goaltending as good as anybody. If they go on this.

They've traded for Doug Hamilton. Doug's back. I can't get Doug back. I can't get him going. You can't? Me? Yeah, I can't get you going. By the way, this trade board, there is a name.

I will say, I will say, right now and whatever the last day of the playoff, like the regular season are two very different Sammy's. And if they're in the playoffs, I'm clearly going to convince myself they're winning in the first round. Hey, obviously. Can the least get, I want to say one of these names you have on here. We saved it all? Yeah, we're saving it all. All right. Hit the break.

Let's go. Okay. my NHL trade board on Sportsnet.ca 4.0 up now. Get to it during the break and we'll discuss when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne. Everything you need to know about the Blue Jays, Blair and Barker. Be sure to subscribe and download the show on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. As a reminder, this hour of Real Kipper and Born brought to you by Bet365. Nick Kippoor is Justin Boren.

Mickey. Before we get to your trade board, I don't know people are anxiously waiting. Did you want to talk about the actual trade that happened today? Sure. Let her rip. Let me see here. Brett Kulak. Penguins trade Brett Kulak to the avalanche for Samuel Gerard and a second round pick. I believe that frees up a bunch

of cap space for the abs, if I'm not mistaken. Plus gets a pretty serviceable bottom pair of defensemen. A lot of people now. Saw a couple things on Twitter about people maybe cadre talk because you had mentioned that yesterday and them opening up a little bit of cap space maybe they're thinking about cadry reunion i'm told as many as six teams with offers on cadry right now yeah but what'd you think about that i mean that's a good trade for dubus i i think a second round pick dubus is on fire they traded

you know tristan jari's salary people weren't sure you're going to be able to move that without retaining or something he traded it for sam gerard who's 27 serviceable yeah decent contract two second round picks and stew skinner yeah and stew skinner i mean Obviously not perfect, but for a middling NHL team, a NHL goal that will play every night. Don't mind it at all. God. The Penguins have 20 picks in the first three rounds

over the next three years, most in the NHLs. I wonder if Dubas will get two NHLers into that. Yeah, the drafting record. Not so hot here. Everything's great. Sportsnet.com.ca. It's 4.0 coming out of the Olympics. What is the field?

today is going to drastically change in anywhere between five and seven days, guys. It's really, it's going to be a huge swing. Number one is, big games. More teams will join by the beginning of next week. And the market will change. Prices will change. They will come down. Teams are waiting.

But I think it's safe to say that we expect some of the, these names to have new homes at some point. You know, I'm going through this and the top name on your list is Elias Pedersen, and we will talk about that. Yeah. But down about four or five names is the name McKenzie Weeger.

Yeah. That one I haven't heard. Now, I think he's a right shot. He is definitely a right shot. Right-handed D that only makes 6.25 against the cap. Having a putrid year this year. Yeah. Tough year with... You can't not be.

there. And he plays all the minutes. With multiple years left on his deal, he's at a place now where he is attractive, yet is he outside the window for the Calgary Flames to think that he's a big part of the future. Yeah, I think the Flames aren't a playoff threat until 27, 28. I don't think that Calgary's shopping him.

I don't think that's where they want to go or their focus is on. But if teams like Ottawa are calling on them, You got to listen. Well, they're dying for a right-shot guy there, right? They've had great left-shock. So is Detroit. Chikron out. Detroit.

Yep. Yeah. It's funny, you know, it's so great one thing about the- I do like Weigar. I don't want to... Different spots. I mean, like, he's just not having a very good year. But, I mean, you put him in a better situation.

He's a guy that definitely could have an impact. I like him. And he's so rare to have an offensively capable right-shot guy. Teams fall all over themselves for a guy like that. Don't tell Trey. He's like, I could get another Calgary Flames defenseman. Let's go. Fire it up.

I'm okay. I'm okay. I could put him on the power play. See if you can do a little bit, something more. Yeah. I got Patterson. I think there's a 50-50 chance he could be gone. I believe that they'll happily keep him and push him in the offseason if they have to.

I don't believe for one second that he's got a long future in Vancouver. There's no rush, but this thing has a Quinn Hughes field for me. that you could just wake up one day and he's gone. Do you think he wants a fresh start? Yeah, I think at this point when you look at what the thought process was coming into this season and where they ended up and how they are in full rebuild mode. God, that lineup stuff. He could be in a position to look for a fresh start.

So I have L.A. out there, and his age is, so attractive, right? At 27, long term, it's not like you're dealing with the ages of Cadry or Ryan O'Reilly, where you've got to hit it in the next year or two. This guy can play for the next seven, eight years.

If you get half of the Quinn Hughes return first and a decent prospect or something. But you think he's got that type of value with that contract? Like he just hasn't shown anything close to what he was, pretty much since the day he signed that contract.

Yeah. Bit of a Monstar situation. It is. Detroit thinks he's had a pretty good run with Swedish players. They have. Good ones. And they're looking to shore it up big time. So you've mentioned now Detroit with Weger

and you've mentioned Detroit now with Petterson. Oh, yeah. You think it's good. Oh, yeah. Steve Y's coming out. You can't have a 20-year Izer plan. It's time. Yeah.

got a lot of picks, got a lot of prospects. At some point, you got to turn it up. They are loaded. They are loaded. They could easily make a move here or there that I take a run at the conference final. I was going to say. Anything else after that would be a bonus. stinks, guys.

Without, yeah, without Florida, it really does feel like it's anybody's conference. I know Tampa's fantastic. Don't give me it wrong, but like they've got a lot of guys. We've played a lot of games. Fassas. Injuries and. If Detroit trades for a couple of big. This is the hurricane here.

Carolina guys. Carolina can't get by Tampa Bay as is. They need help. They're fine with that. It's just cool, we'll waive and no trade to come to them. They try to get everyone. Yeah, I know.

I know. And they're going to keep trying. Yet another ratings bonanza for sports net with the Carolina, Tampa, Eastern Conference final. Thank, Gary. Thanks. Outside playoffs.

Philly, Toronto, the New York Rangers, Washington Capitals. It's like, come on. Boston clinging to a spot. Robert Thomas. Yeah. Was quoted. Yeah. The other day, Sammy. Yeah, he said.

He was aware of where they're at in the standings and what that means. He said the rumors, it's part of it. It's part of it. Which, Robert, it's not really part of it when you have a complete no move. And a great contract. Slugs like me and others that it's a part of. But you're supposed to be that guy that avoids it.

So what's going on here? Like it just sounds like this guy's ready to move. That's what I got out of this quote. Yeah, like would be willing to consider. You know, for St. Louis, I mean, if they don't think that it's a bright future coming up, God, Robert Thomas, though, he's only 25, right? Like, a young guy. I don't know.

is he? I think he might be a little older than that. I think he's 27 too. Hold on, let me check. He was a rookie in that 20... He was 26. 26. He's a good, great age, too. Good hockey player. He is, but can I answer me this? Okay. Okay.

Great second line guy or front line guy. I mean, I gotta believe he's a frontline guy. Are you going to win the cop with him as your number one center? Is he a 90.9. or a hundred point guy, or is he a solid 70 to 80 point guy? I mean, he's got an 86 point season under his belt.

But he is a dishwasher, although you like that out of your sentiment. I do. Often injured. That one to me is like somebody would really maybe overpay for him and then be a little bit disappointed with the results for me. Because, I mean, when they mentioned that they were going to trade them, I mean, some of the trade packages that people were talking about potentially having to give up for him, it's like, whoa, whoa.

Pittsburgh Penguins. They got a ton of assets. They want a pile of picks and Dubus would love a little, a little, little, no, not little. Again, right-handed defense at a premium.

I've got Justin Falk here. I got Connor Murphy, who's got the end of his deal, Ristelanin. Yeah. Ottawa, Dallas. Those are the teams interested. Logan Stanley's in there?

Logan Stanley's at the end of his deal. Some suggesting he's looking that $4.5.5 million next year. Whoa, really? That's barely got in the lineup last year, right? You can go upstairs right now and ask for a million dollars. I can do it. Sure. Can I?

Oh, yeah, you can do it. Okay, I'll try. Anybody can. Yeah, doesn't go great. Oh, okay. So those teams are still looking for depth there on that, with the right-handed side. Bobby McMahon,

Edmonton try to take a crack at him by flipping Mangiopani And? And? And, uh, Macelli. Micelli. Micelli. So, McMahon and Micelli? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

No, no, no. What's going on? No. Machelli for, uh, Mangeapani. That was, that was the deal one for one. Okay. Yeah. And then inquiries on McMahon.

Yeah. You got to give something there. The Manjipani contract is nothing but an anchor. Well, it's a flip at, what, $3 million each. Yeah. But I don't think the Leafs were interested in Manjupani. Doesn't help. Weren't they interested in him in the off season, if I'm not mistaken?

At the cost of no asset. And when he signed in, he signed in Emmetton, and then it was maybe some positive he didn't want to come here. Still tricky on the value of McMahon out there. whether or not he's a true first round worthy guy or a second and a third. If he was playing for some other team and the Leafs are trying to trade for McMahon, every single analyst would be like, he's a first round talent, no question. You've got to give up a first for him. And now as soon as the lease are selling it, I don't know.

I don't know. What else? It's the trade deadline. He's a big, fast winger that scores and makes. no money. In what world is he not a first round pick? Scott Lotton was a first and to me it's if you're trading him and you

get out of it and it's not a first round pick I'd be disappointed. Jordan Kairu's on your list as well. You were about to bring someone up. Yeah, I was going to stay with St. Louis. You went Cairo, I went, I was going to go Bennington. Oh, yeah. And how much did his performance

maybe have a few teams revisit? It's not a strong market out there. I believe that Edmonton made their decision. They're just going forth with what they got? I think so, guys. I don't, I don't see it. I don't see them making their move with Skinner.

You know what that is? And then going back again on Bennington. I don't see it. But that's not wanting to admit your wrong publicly. Because it's not working with Jarring. Or unless it's just impossible to play goaltender for the Edenton Oilers, in which case you've got bigger problems and it's just not going to work. But that's a much bigger admission than...

I can just picture it now. I think there's a chance to others can go to the final again. Like, they're this very similar... You know, they'll make a trade at the deadline. They'll go through the Western Congress, the lay-up line of the Pacific Division like they always have, maybe beat whoever in the conference finals. Go to the final.

And we're just going to be having the same conversations like we were with Pickard and Skinner. Is it Jari or Ingram tonight? It's game sick. Like, they're just... They just did the same thing with two different guys. But they're not sure. It's got to be different guys at least

Yeah, but they're just kind of both like equally men Bittington at least you know would be a starting goalie. Would Montreal look at Binnington? Ooh. So they're Montembo who's struggled badly. Dobish is not coming along yet. And their young kids, not quite ready. Fowler.

And then he has this year and next year, right? Bittington has a contract? He does. That's a nice little. And Bridge, would you have to maybe send one of the other goalies in the trade? with a Dobish or Monthambeau in the trade. Sure. Yes.

Right? Yes. If you're the blues, you're, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can convince herself that Dobish is a future guy. I love, I mean, I'd hate it. I don't know, they signed Bucie and Carolina, but they should look at Bennington, too. This feels like not a Carolina move at all. Nothing seems like a Carolina move, by the way.

It's not a Carolina move. Nothing, nothing. No, they don't think goalies matter. They just go with whatever. But they couldn't get Martin or they couldn't get Ranton. to stay. Nothing seems like Carolina's in on anything legitimate. No one chooses to be there, which by the way, it's a great place.

And I'm not just saying that. I know it is a great place. I don't really understand the aversion to Carolina. Well, because you have to play crazy hockey. Like, it's just such a frantic system that they play. It's like, guys go there and they're like, what? I don't think that's why guys don't go there. Well, I mean, it's like not a hockey market. Everyone that I talk to love and the people are so friendly. down there and it's just affordable and warm wonderful hospitality

you know it almost feels like the next place that do you remember the Panthers were like a laugh at place to go play for a while like it was like Florida was like dismissed yeah because they saw Carolina has been a wagon for but for a long time then people started going it's kind of great and a long ago was like can I go back

and that started happening I think that'll happen. Speaking of Florida like a few people who want to start throwing Bovrovsky's name out there was it McKee who said Edmonton. I was like, can't do that.

Why not? It was perfect. No. Oh my God, yeah. So they have had contract talks. So they want them back. But. Panthers want them back?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Panthers want them back. Didn't Valley say it or show you've done? No, I don't know. Valley said that. But I'm telling you that there've been some contract talks, but I don't think they're in the same ballpark. I hope they give them eight years of 12, 12 million per.

you know someone who watches the Leafs every night if I'm the Oilers you can't beat them you can't beat them join them so trade for them so if you're Bobroski and you just won two Stanley Cups you don't want to go to Edmonton you're really going to go chase one right now and live in

a hotel for two months no anywhere anywhere Sammy anywhere I mean if they asked them and probably wouldn't go you're right depends on that level of competitive fire I suppose

You've played one more season than any other goalie in the league, right? Pretty much. Oh, yeah. And I don't know. Why would you want to go anywhere? If it doesn't work out in Florida and you want to play next year, pick your spot in July. I don't know if he's on this list. I'm kind of just going through it.

Can I get Lafrenier out of the Rangers? No, you can't. You can try, but who's going to take that contract? Oh no, me, my team, whatever team I'm running, I would take it. I like him. Oh, you would take it full value? Was it $7 million? What's he, 24?

I want to look this up here. Buddy, that's a very big commitment. See what he has left on his deal. I am still, I still believe in that guy. He is 24 years old and he has a $7.4 million deal until 2032. A lot of years. Yeah. The best of his career years.

Can you get them to eat some of it? Listen, I'll take it off your hands. Wow. Yeah, I'll take it off your hands. He is, yeah, 6-1-195. He's had, is he had a season with some decent numbers? 60-point year with almost 30 goals. I'm doing it.

All right, it's 4.0 on Sportsnet.com. My trade board, have some fun with it, like we just did the last 10 minutes or so. 20, more like it. Yeah. Patrick Liney. I'll just say names as I go through here. Just trying to unload the money.

Shane Wright. By low and Shane Wright. They can, yeah, they can, he can be played. He can be had. There's some old like win as a playoff game guys here,

March or so, Braden Shinn, Ryan O'Reilly. Ryan O'Reilly. Like, his value to Nashville will never be as high as it is right now. So much like Cadre, got to unload. Got to unload.

You got to find a spot for him, though. That's the arrangement that you had with them is that... Where do you want to be? You got to make them happy. Yeah. I was going to say, do you, but you do. Yeah, you do. You got to hold that end of the bargain for sure.

What's going on with three on three in the Olympics, Sammy? Keeping it. Sticking around. What do you mean? They said. They did? They did. Three on three overtime isn't going anywhere.

They need a new they. Luke Tardeefe told the athletic Tuesday that international hockey will stick with its current extra time format. It's the best rules to fit in a tight schedule. You have to figure out 30 games for 11 days for men and women in 28 games, 13 days, blah, blah, blah, blah. Just make it for the final few events.

The semis and the final. Our thanks to Jim Ralph. Dopes. In the first hour of our program, and Gary Galley. One more sleep, Sammy, for you. and it's NHL hockey. Oh, I can't wait to watch my Leafies.

It's Micelli time. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. It's the Real Kippin-Born Show.