Real Kyper & Bourne - The NHL's Off-Ice Evolution with Garry Galley

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

Former NHL defenceman and Hockey Night in Canada analyst Garry Galley (1:51) joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to discuss Matthew Schaefer's rapid rise, Morgan Rielly's struggles, how the off-ice part of the game has changed since his playing days, the Senators' outlook without Linus Ullmark, and the Panthers starting to round into playoff form. Later, Nick, Justin and Sam McKee reflect on Canada's semifinal elimination to Czechia at the World Junior tournament and whether Hockey Canada has lost its identity. Finally, the guys chat about Logan Stanley and John Beecher's 'sucker punches' on Brady Tkachuk and Michael McCarron, and Luke Hughes getting booed after a pair of own goals.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

All right, let's take it up a notch here on the National Hour, the Real Kippin-Borne show. We're live on Sportsnet, Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, Sportsnet 960 in Calgary, and streaming always on Sportsnet Plus. And if you miss our show, just download it on Spotify, Apple Podcast, and YouTube. Well, you can't see it on Spotify and Apple Podcast,

but you can probably see it on YouTube where Sammy forgets to change the jersey from the Leaf Hour edition to the National Edition of our program. I'm sorry. Do you know? No, I don't know. I don't. We were talking.

And... I'm not doing it. You know? It's Leaves National Hour today. Leaf National Hour for Sammy. Yeah, we could... Yeah, I'm just thrown off by it. I just, I don't know how I forget everything.

That's okay. I'm sorry. You got your blue j hat. It's just a, it's a total mental block that I cannot get past. And I set an alarm and it went off one day and Kipper made fun of me through the hats. I'm in the torture chamber with this day after. I'm in hell. I'm in hell.

If you're blowing through alarms at your age, what are you going to do? No, I set my alarm. And then you got mad at me. You're like, whoa, you're noise. Meanwhile, it's windshine McGee over here every day. I can't. Kipper is going to kill me. And the end of the Canadian World Juniors.

Oh, God, I just, tough night. In a couple of minutes, we'll welcome in Gary Galley, former National Hockey League defensemen, color analyst for sports debt and hockey night in Canada. As a reminder, also, this hour of real Kipper and Bourne, brought to by Bet, 365. Okay, we're going to get into that world junior stuff, but we got gals waiting for us right now.

Okay. All right. Let's do it. We good? Let's not keep him waiting because he's a real busy guy. Making pitcher collages, I think. Look at that. How are you, my friend? Happy New Year.

Happy New Year to you guys. The desanification process has started here in the galley home. So it has been a long, arduous day. So that's why I'm here waiting for you guys because I'm like, I'd rather be doing this than doing the other things. So, yeah, we have eight trees in our house. So it's a, it's a big undertaking. Okay. You know, you played, I think, close to 1,200 NHL games as a defenseman.

No one knows the challenges of this position more than you. Okay, what are we watching with Matthew Schaefer here? Because I've watched him a little bit, but not to the extent that I watched Saturday night. And I'm seeing something that I've rarely seen my whole career. the things that he's able to do at such a young age. But what did you see Saturday night? I think that he's somebody you have to see live to really appreciate him. I think you can watch him on television and you're going to see him play and he's going to get a lot of ice time.

You're going to see a lot of things. But when you see him live, you get to watch what he does away from the puck, not necessarily in the camera shop, but where his reeds are. He is a confident kid. I mean, you know, comfortable in his skin, who he is, with his big steps that he's taking. There's nothing that's too big for him. He just goes out there and he embraces the moment. It's the way his life is.

You know, he lost his mom and it's been a real difficult time for him. And he's learned how to move forward and go, that's maybe one of the toughest things I'll ever go through. This is nothing. I have the talent and the ability to do this. And I'm going to go and I'm going to do it. And it's just really special to watch him. The whole story is really engaging for me. I really, everything about him has really blown me off from the moment when he was drafted

by the Islanders and how he spoke the day of the draft. And when you hear Patrick Rois talk about him, I mean, he oozes about the kid. You know, Patrick doesn't throw out, you know, roses here. I mean, he oozes about this kid because this kid is the real deal. His numbers aren't lying. He's doing something really special. with his ice time and his ability to play. Could he have gone to the Olympics and played for Canada?

Yeah, he could have. There's no doubt about it. But Team Canada, you know, they take care of the people that have took care of them. And those guys that are going back have done a real good job. And they had a lineup that they felt comfortable with. And maybe it felt like, you know, maybe this is maybe a little bit too much to throw at the kid all at once. But anyway, I think if there's any injuries that happen going down the stretch to that eight, I think you will see him as the first add on.

One thing I'll just add, you know, for Canadian hockey fans, I don't know if people appreciate Adam Pellick, who Schaefer has been able to play with. Pelick is a really good defenseman last year. Maybe he wasn't his year. But I don't think he's that many D-Man removed from potentially being a Canadian candidate here when you're looking at more stay-at-home type D-Man. I liked the Islanders Defense Corps for a number of years here coming up, you know,

they made some changes now. But, I mean, they really had, you know, Pellick and Pallock. Those guys were solid guys. And when you have a guy like Schaefer, you want to put him with a guy that he doesn't have to worry about reading off of. He's going to know what he's going to do all the time. He's going to be a guy that you just know how he's going to play. And he's a good communicator. And he's going to let the kid do his thing.

I remember in Philadelphia when they came to me and they said, we're going to put Dimitriuskevich with you. And we want him to room with you. We want him to, you know, to be your partner. We want you to help him, you know, move over here to North America and play in the national hockey league. We really like this kid. We think he's going to be a real good player. And as I started playing with him, and I realized that I wasn't so much helping him. I mean, I was helping him in some of the things off the ice and things like that.

I'd make him order the room service. I'd make him do things so he'd have to speak English and get used to that. But he really trusted me. I trusted him. And people would say, well, you're really helping out Demetri. I said, well, Demetri's helping me because I'm not really worrying about him at all. He's playing so well, and he is such a good partner that I'm actually not really thinking about it one bit. I'm just being a good teammate and being a good defense partner.

And partners do make a difference. When you get a relationship with a guy that you play with for a long time, you can go back to Bukabum and Leach. You can go back to so many different pairings of guys together that once you find that pairing, you know, Taze and McCar. You can really, really feel a comfort on the ice. And the reeds are so much easier because you just, it's like you're living in the same skin as the other guy you're playing with. And it's really,

that's the way I felt with Dimitri. And I really enjoyed playing with him. You're watching and listening to Gary Galley, former National Hockey League, does a terrific job covering the NHL on Sportsnet and Hockey Night in Canada. As good as Matthew Schaefer felt gals Saturday night, just the opposite for a guy like Morgan Riley who ended up minus four

and if I'm not mistaken, minus 15 now for the season here what does it feel like for a guy of his stature to feel like everything he does out there ends up in his own net how does somebody dig himself out of that you know and do you ever experience anything like that I think every player who plays a good amount of time in the National Hockey League

a veteran guy in the league will have gone through some stints of what the hell's going on here. You know, everything's going wrong. You know, even when I think I'm doing something right, it's turning out wrong. The harder I try, the worse it gets. And sometimes, and as you guys know, you take this game home with you, you don't leave it at the rank. When you are a person that is relied upon, when you're a person that you feel the expectations are at a certain level, and you're having trouble meeting those, it's really frustrating.

And you think he's the only guy this year, the only veteran guy that's having a struggle. I could introduce you to a few Winnipeg Jets, and they'll tell you what a real struggle looks like. And it's like, what do you do? What can you say to him? You've got to figure it out on your own. Your teammates will always be positive.

Your coaching staff is probably going to be honest, but they're also going to be positive, trying to get you turned around. It's up to you to get back. into believing the things that you can do because right now you can get in the habit of always being a second too late because you're thinking too much you know and and you're always just not jumping using that you know that those years of experience uh to just jump on things and get ahead of things because you do have to do that in this game the game moves fast and you have to make reads and you've

got to take some chances in this game but they're calculated chances for him i think there's a lot you know, the hamster in the wheelhouse is running. And, I mean, that happens. It's hard to make decisions and you never feel comfortable with him. Well, it's a thankless position by and large. I'm looking at Luke Hughes for the New Jersey Devils who, you know, shoots two in his net essentially last game. And for all the good he's done, young kid, bright prospect,

a lot of points, big contract has one game where a couple of things go wrong. His home crowd is booing him. I mean, what do you suppose? The crowds are vicious. There's so much pressure play. You know, you watched the game last night. I don't know if you guys watched the game last night, the Pittsburgh Steeler game.

I mean, they're booing them in between downs. I mean, is it more of an exciting game than that? And the broadcasting, which is outstanding, they're saying they're kind of rationalizing with it. Well, you know, this is a really smart, you know, football crowd, and they know it's good and they know it's bad. And, you know, it's like, okay, well, but come on. Like, really?

Yeah, crowds can get on players and guys. and teams pretty quickly now. Seems to be, you don't have as much room to play with. What could you do for me today? That's kind of the way it is in a lot of things in this world today. But, hey, the fans have the right to let you know how they feel. And that's why more than ever, I will tell you that, and this is just my opinion, I'm not saying I have any scientific proof or anything.

I think we were a bit mentally stronger back in the day because, you know, we had a lot of stuff thrown at us, you know. you, you know, you can be cursed out. You could have a pop thrown on you. You could like, you could like be torn to shreds and, you know, just got to get right back out to the next shift and go. And it's like, it's like, you know, it's just really hard that the kids today maybe have a little harder time handling negativity, handling criticism, handling, because every player

back in the day, and you guys played too, they all were best on their teams growing up, top players, went to junior, we're the top scorers. But when you get to the NHL, you've got to find your way. You're not always going to be in the perfect spot. Some of these kids are getting great opportunities handed to them. And right away, you're getting to jump into this league and you're going to play 20 minutes a game. And along with that, sometimes it will catches up to you a little bit.

And it starts to beat on you a little bit. And that's why you really got to watch young guys in their first two or three years because sometimes it just gets taxing and it gets to be like the game. game doesn't stop every second night. And the night, I mean, you're like this with the Olympics. We're halfway through the schedule already. Man, you're a, you're a sophomore player this year and a bit of a sophomore jinks, sophomore slump.

I'm sorry, we're on game 42 and we're eight points out of the playoffs. We've got a leapfrog six, seven teams. How do you like me now? Like, it's not fun. Gals, it was all that training we had, you know, being kids and trying to get home without any bus money or change to make a phone call. I mean, those are challenging times. I used to say, I went home one time, and I told my dad, we were throwing crab apples at a dog,

and the guy came out and he cuffed me on the side of the head. And I went home and told my dad, I thought he was going to go take care of it. He cuffed me in the head, too. It's like, it's like, well, I can't win. And it's like, now if you go home and you say something, your teacher yells, you know, parents go in and they reprimand the teacher. It's like, you know, we're hardened a little bit more. And it's not to say it's right or wrong or whatever. wrong say it

we're a bit hardened we're a bit hardened like I said I can remember sitting at the end of my stall and Pat Quinn coming in the locker room he was so mad he took the stick back of the day and of course the guys are so much healthy that us we used to have pop in the middle of the room

on the table and Gatorade and whatever and the stick was like just a machine gun it went through the whole pile of pop and I went on to the ice you're in St. Louis and I had different colors on me orange grape or Coke whatever and one of the St. Louis players came up to

line up against me and he's like what the heck happened to you so I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it's not good but you got to go out there and go it's like got to play drop the puck gals do you think today coaches sit there and sometimes they don't even know if a camera

is on them taping a post game comment or you know like guys are in a position now where they can call a hotline not give their name and give it like do you think that's in the back of their minds now constantly i i just i just think coaches have to assume there's a camera on them all the time and a player has to assume there's a camera on them all the time even when they're out having dinner or even when they're going to have

a quick beer in a city right which is nothing you're 28 years old you can go have a beer you can go have a beer you can go sit down with a couple of your teammates and have a few beers yeah it's not the end of the world but there's cameras on you all the time now that's the one thing that we did not have in our time, which made enjoying the game a little bit more. Now the game's a little tighter, and I don't want to get into how much we enjoyed the game. But it was fun. You know, we stayed in cities after the game. We didn't jump on a private plane and fly to the next city, get in at two in the morning, get to the room, have to get, you know, nourishment and sleep and whatever, get going.

We stayed in the city and get to enjoy the, you know, the city, so to say, or the nightlife a little bit. And then, you know, you learned how to play guilty a little bit, right? You had to. You had to play. If you couldn't play guilty the odd time, if you were out a bit late with your teammates one night, your teammates wouldn't respect you. I mean, it was crazy how many times you knew a guy was out past curfew or was out at a bar one night, and he was your best player.

Yeah. You know, it's just nowadays these guys can't do it. The cameras and phones are everywhere. And, you know, so these guys are all more. I think they're more rested than we were. You know, it's funny as I ran into Ken Reed at a rink this weekend. He was with his boy who's, I don't know, 11, 12 years old, and the boy was up and asleep over until 2 or 3 in the morning.

Kenny's going, Borny, tell him about playing guilty and how you still got to show up the next morning. And, you know, like trying to drill home the old school hockey mentality to him. So, okay, let me take that and ask you a question about, like, hockey Canada today and the type of kids who are going to be our next great Canadian hockey and hockey players. Everyone is the best player. Everyone is sheltered and coddled a little bit.

And I and a lot of people worry that we're not going to produce guys. Kip, I don't know if your parents were millionaires when you were growing up. But like, you have to be to have so much money for these kids to put them in all the programs and everything. How are we going to generate the next Sam Bennett's and Tom Wilson's and the next generation of guys that got oomph to use Kipper's word from the first hour? First of all, if my parents were millionaires, they didn't tell me. I'm the last to know about that. You used to be able to, we would draw from a much bigger pool of Canadians. To me, it feels like we're drawing from a tiny pool now.

If my parents were millionaires, I'm really pissed off right now. Me and you would be on the eight pole somewhere. You know what? You look at the game now. The game now is, I mean, these guys are super talented. I mean, they're built differently. You know, they're built for speed and movement. We were built to be thick, strong, battle mode.

The game isn't as physical as the game used to be. You know, there is as many characters, and I mean that in a real positive way, how many characters that are in the game that you really love to watch on a nightly basis. The game is more the same in most cities. When you go and do a game, the games are relatively look alike. but it's who you know can go out and execute the best you know it's it's north-south hockey

it's speed it's launching the puck it's and deflecting it for checking and and getting funneling pucks to the net you know and getting to the net and getting in the goalie's face everyone blocks shots now that's the one thing they do more now than we did back in the day they block a lot more shots and it makes it harder to get pucks through but the game is changing and it's going to continue to change I don't see it going back anything. time soon to the way it was because it's just a different game. So I really do believe in when I watch these guys, I just look and see how talented they are.

I mean, guys that are playing on fork lines would be first and second line players as far as their skill sets and their skating ability. I mean, it's amazing how talented all these people are. And now the world juniors, you look at it and you're right. All these kids are the best in their programs. So the funnel is moving. That's what happens. All these kids are coming from all different places

and the funnel's getting tighter and tighter. And as it gets to the end, what are you looking at before you pick kids? You're looking at character. You're looking at how a player, the intangibles that a player has. And that's what teams and scouts have to figure out are the intangibles that a player has

that maybe you don't see it like on a bedded or something like that. But look at Schaefer. And this kid's got some intense. tangibles. I mean, crazy intangible. So it's out there and they just got you got to dig a little deeper to find it and it's not easy. You know, you see a lot of teams pick guys and year or two later. It's not working out. But certainly, certainly I like some of the young kids that are coming in and it's been really nice. Having McCar come in and really, you know, and play the way he has and even, you know,

when you awe Bobby Orr, that's pretty special. When Bob Yoror says, wow, this guy is, you know, that's pretty special stuff. And I think Schaefer is one of those kids that's coming along and he's making a few draws, jaws drop. And that's pretty special. Gals, halfway through the season and the story of the league pretty much is the mushy middle. And it could get mushyer tonight when the Ottawa senators entertain Detroit here. As far as the senators are concerned, I didn't think I'd see them, you know, where they are right now. Mark is no longer with the team. Part of our earlier conversation, I don't know, in terms of in our era, did we ever see so many guys kind of just disappear and then come back and leave and come back.

But Elmark is gone from the team right now and where Ottawa really stands here moving up. What do you see out of Ottawa here? Can they close the gap and start getting up there amongst the likes of Tampa Bay and Montreal? all right now? Well, three of the divisions of the four, I'll toss out to Central. The last place team is less, is ten points or less

from first place. So there is some jamming in there and some, you know, stacking and packing. But again, as we all know, you have to get by the teams in front of you. And if you're down the list, you have to leapfrog all these teams who are playing on a regular basis, so it's a lot

harder to do when you're at the bottom. Even if it is only seven or eight or nine points, A game like tonight for Ottawa, I mean, man, you beat Detroit tonight. You got three games at hand on them and you're five points behind them. So now you start to look at it and go, okay, this is good. We're starting to climb. We're getting close to that team that's in that spot we want to have. For a team like Winnipeg, it ain't happening.

So at least Ottawa is within striking distance, and that's a good thing. Losing Allmark, I mean, I mean, that's going to be really hard. I mean, that's going to be really tough on this team. I don't think the other goaltenders are of the caliber of Allmark, and especially if Allmark is on his game. So it's a real shame to have him gone at this juncture,

especially when they really need him the most. But, you know, your mental health is, as we all know, is something that the league and the players take very serious. I think this is a player who's had some mental health issues before in his time in the league. So, you know, if there's something going on there, and of course

nobody knows what's going on, but whatever is going on, certainly you have to give him his time and space to get himself back again and be able to come in and play the game. I think we're more in tune with players who are having mental health issues. It's hard because he's always a guy when you see him interviewed. He seems to be really happy-go-lucky and very positive. Even when things aren't going good, he always tries to silver-lining it.

I feel like things are coming. I feel like my game's going to come around. It will get better. I always seems to be that kind of guy. But sometimes those players, and I'm not saying this is Allmark, but sometimes that's how those players hide things too, right? They hide it trying to be that way,

but maybe it's bothering them more. I don't know. That's a weird one. I really don't, you know, I don't really don't think it's having four goals on 14 shots is the issue. I don't think he had four goals on 14 shots and all of a sudden this is why he's taken a personal leave.

It's got to be more to that. There's got to be more that's been going on. So hopefully he gets healthy soon and he certainly has the support of his team. and the organization in Ottawa here and hopefully he gets back as soon as possible. Gals, heading into last night, Colorado looked like,

I mean, different than the rest of the league. I've even seen some models that had them, you know, like a 50% chance to win the cup. You know, some crazy, I think, to get to the finals. They just seem far and away better than everyone.

Then they play Florida. Who got hurt? Gabe Landiscag gets hurt. And Florida wins. And Florida, you can kind of like squint and see this version of the Panthers in playoffs and what they're going to be like and see Bennett take one

to the net and jamming the rebound. It's like God, that's going to be Florida, isn't it? Do you feel like Colorado is still the runaway favorite? Do you think Florida's kind of right there with them? I don't think anyone gets to run away with it. I think that's going to be a battle to the end. I think that sometimes you get

out and you get on a run like Colorado is on this year and you win a whole bunch of games and then look what happened to Tampa that year. I mean, they looked like no one was going to touch them, and then Columbus dialed them in. It was like, it was like, what just happened? What just happened? So anything can happen in this game,

but you have to be impressed with, you know, I'm really impressed with the way Colorado's playing. I'm impressed with the way Dallas is playing, but Dallas tends to shoot themselves in the foot in the playoffs. Minnesota, I think, has really showed me that they're a team that's going to be tough to play against. But that's central division, we're going to lose a team right off the hop.

A really good team right in the first round. If Minnesota plays Dallas, bingo, that's the playoffs. And I love the Atlantic Division right now because, you know, yeah, Tampa's up top. But, you know, you got, you got teams in there now that Montreal and Detroit that are up-and-coming young teams that are getting a taste of having people chase them instead of them chasing. So now instead of you having to come into the locker room and you're catching up, catching up, catching up, you're playing ahead of yourself because you don't want teams to catch you. It's a different mindset and a different way to build confidence in your team. So I'm really, really looking forward to watching the Back 40 with Montreal and Detroit

and seeing if they can hold those spots as young teams and teams that are up and coming because I think that would be a really good story if they could. Gals, great stuff as always, man. Really appreciate always your contributions on the show. Get back to clean up your house. man oh man i was like i could i ran down the stairs for this interview i was like we can talk longer if you want yeah yeah yeah i could have started this morning at eight o'clock it would have really helped me awesome stuff pal thanks again all right guys take care thank you very jally

sports cent hockey name canada um yeah that's uh florida to me is just that and no seth jones yesterday. No Barkov. Matthew Kachuk's on the trip. Won't play against the Leafs tomorrow night, but he's going to, he's coming. Like if Colorado finishes with 138 points and it's the cup final

and they got Barkov and Kachuk and Jones and all those guys in the lineup, Colorado might be underdog. It would be, I think, plus 200 from Panthers. You think so? Yeah, I mean, depends who's hurt. Depends at the time. But they're just such a runaway train. Like, But that game looked like a cup final game.

Like it looked like two of the best teams in the league playing against each other. And Sam Bennett looked really good in that game. By the way, like the Florida jerseys. They do look better on, don't they? Yeah. Although that winter classic, I got to tell you, I tried, turned it on.

Yeah. I'll come back and see what the score is later. One of the things I checked in to see the look. Yeah, I didn't. I think Florida. Florida, Miami can kind of fall under the same umbrella as Vegas where you know they're going to go cheesy, right? Yeah.

And it's just... Remember the all-star game there? But it was just... Totally. Right? Totally. They're shooting pox at a surfboards and the All-Star game down there, remember that? Yeah, sure do.

Yeah. You know, the outdoor game where they got lounge chairs and umbrellas, like people are at the beach. Can I ask you? It's just, it's fine. It just works for them. Fine. As a guy who has one Lord Stanley's mug, what did you think about Barkov and Kachuk on stage?

Was it Barkov and Kachuk or somebody in Kachuk on stage dancing with the cup mid-season? It's theirs. It's theirs until someone takes it away from them. Eligible to do that. Eligible to do that. It's theirs. Just never seen that really, you never seen really halfway through season

it getting flaunted like that. I'm not sure how many guys would have been comfortable to do that. But Matthew Chuck's one. Yeah, they've won two in a row. I think you should do it all year long. I think that should be, you should bring it on the bench with you. That's an excellent. That is a great idea.

Who we are. Like the bell. Sammy, it's theirs. Okay. It is theirs. Because I just saw some blowback to that and I hadn't really thought of it. And I just thought I'd get your tape. No, take it away from me.

And then it's no longer in my possession. Did you guys want to talk one with the juniors or? Yeah, I'm fine with this. Then you get into the whole. no no yeah no we got a few minutes here because I watched like any casual fan would I didn't pay attention too much to it but by the way it's 3-2 Canada right now over Finland oh good okay so they showed up a little bit

I was supposed to put that on you know when you change a jersey I don't know if it's inclined to you know Brendan Shanahan now being like covering it with hockey Canada but that's more has to do with I think a review of a of what they're trying to figure out for junior hockey in Ontario, but maybe it is tied a little bit to where are we going with all of this and how are we going to keep up? Are there other programs that are,

obviously we've dominated, right, for such a long time, but are others just catching up and what can we do to stay ahead? Yeah, I think they're good questions. I truly believe this. There's fundamentally a lot of problems, I'm sure, with how people would like this whole thing to get sorted out for Canada. Look, we still are doing pretty good, right?

Like, we are still, you can only create so many great players out of a great nation. We just had Macklin-Celebrini and Matthew Schaefer's tough of league. We're not a bunch of bombs. Both of those young men eligible to play in this tournament. Exactly. We're doing pretty good.

And Ben, Senecki, who's dominating for the dogs. There's a... For sure, everyone else is getting better than the gap is narrowing. It's narrowing. Yesterday, for the first time, listening to the kids, it was like, that's the first time I really remember people looking the camera in the eye. And I don't know, they're very emotional.

They were crying. Oh, yeah. I mean, but it was like, yeah, they were better than us. They were better than us. That's what I got out of it. Yeah. Yeah. We got beat by a good team.

I just can't help but watch Chequia play versus. Canada in that game, and just be like, that's what we used to do. Yes. That's right. We used to be bigger, faster, strong, hungry. Like, there was an identity that we played with that no longer exists. And that is exactly the problem, and I think it's tied to, that basically it's the kids of one percenters or, you know, five percenters or whatever who can afford to play.

I think the sport is too expensive. I think it's too professionalized, too young. I have hated it. Watching, you know, these kids, oh, yeah, my kid's 70s on a skating treadmill in the summers. What are we doing? It costs $3,000 for 10 sessions. And I'm not a big fan of the crying, too.

Wow. What is that? They've cried forever. You don't want them to care about losing the thing that mattered most of them in their life? It's not the caring part. They've all cried forever. I know.

but you're you just got to handle it a little better that's all I don't want I don't want to sit there and listen to an interview while you're crying I'm sorry I don't well I didn't see the interviews I disagree with that maybe yeah listen sort the tears by the time you get there I think to your point a little bit a lot of these guys are used to having their own way and it they're not used to this well I mean there's something to that is tied to what I'm not used to it they're not used to failing they're not used to losing they're not used to anything This is going to be harsh, but it's a lot of silver spoon hockey. Totally.

That's what I see. That's tied into the crying part. Yeah, but I think they cried when they didn't have silver. It's like they're emotionally charged teenagers that have the biggest tournament of their life. And they lose in heartbreaking fashion to a rival that team that beat them three years in a row. I don't mind seeing some tears. If you went to represent Canada, didn't win. I would have done a quiet cry.

A single tier runs. I just, I don't, I don't know, like, I, because I want to be really passionate about this. And I, but I, I find myself just more sad about it than I'm mad about it. Yeah. Like, because in years past, I've been mad about it. I mean, I remember last year how mad you got at me for my Bud Light tweets about them losing to Latvia and how mad I was. I remember you got pissed off at me. But, yeah, I was tweeting.

Oh, I'm more specific. Because that happens a lot. No, it doesn't. You'd be surprised. But, uh, I just, I, I, I wish I could, I feel like it's just kind of gone. And that's the heartbreaking part. Like I still think that we're always going to be able to produce phenoms.

And we have three guys. Like, I mean, McDavid and McKinnon are something that no other country can create. That's just, those are quintessentially Canadian guys that I just think we'll always have that. But the under, what used to make us great is those guys plus the violence guys. The guys that were run you through a board on the, or like, I just remember world juniors of my youth having it be, you know, the two-toes of the world and the Tom Wilson's and they're... Eric Lindross. Well, no, just there's all these guys.

And it's just that doesn't seem to exist anymore. I don't know what they prioritize because, listen, I support the level of hockey. I go to these games. I watch junior hockey. It still exists. There's players that still are aggressive and they're still scrums and they still hit people. So it's out there. So maybe it's what hockey cana prioritizes for this team.

I'm not sure what it is. But like three years at this tournament, no medal. I mean, maybe they could win the Bronner. today, no gold medal is borderline unacceptable. Like that's, it's not a small sample eventually. No, it's a, it's a referendum time for me in terms

of what's going on here because we're it's best on best time. I am. We need to be good now. I am very interested in Brennan Shanahan's involvement in this review, I guess, and then ultimately a recommendation for junior hockey in Ontario.

Some people have maybe rolled their eyes at it, but I I think it's I want to know exactly where we've gone and headed in junior hockey and it's hard not to talk about this without mentioning David Branch David Branch who he lost OHL commissioner my OHL commissioner Really? Oh yeah I'm talking

How many suspensions did he give you? Yeah maybe one one or two maybe You can't remember you know what I remember most about David Branch is he presented me a Molson Cup, which is three star selections in junior hockey. Okay. And I remember him telling me the guys that win this play in the NHL. And I was like, whoa.

Really? He said that to you. Yes. That's amazing. What a story that is. And it stuck with me. I'm like, maybe I'm closer than I think. If you look at the list to people who've won that, so that'd be the most first stars or total stars ever. Most first stars in a game. I bet. every player there played in the NHL. That's a way to honor. He was the Ontario Hockey League Commissioner for 45 years. 45 years. Yeah. So our condolences to

Branch family. A good man. Just my point, going back to junior hockey, are we still doing it the right way? Junior B, do we have too many teams? What's happening with the kids that are playing

Junior B and what happens to them when they don't go to play junior hockey, do they end up going back to school? Do they fall off than the wayside? Like, there's a, junior being, junior A, got a college scholarship out of it. Yeah, but there's others that don't, right? And I think there's a lot of questions

to be answered for sure, including major junior A hockey. I can't think of something I would want to do less as a job than what Brendan Shanahan is apparently going to do, review the junior hockey. Okay, let me ask you this. Well, he's an important guy. First of all,

let me just say he is an important guy. Kentucky Canada lacks credibility right now. You should run hockey Canada. So go to a guy that's lived it, breathed it, run through the system. Absolutely. Right? But like if you were, I mean, maybe we don't have time for this conversation, but let's do it. We're way past.

But I mean, Ethan's slacking. He's not telling us to break it. But where do you start? Like what's your first day? You're like, hey, new job. First is like, what? It's just such a wide spread. They've done the reviews.

They've done a lot. of digging and research into it. I think Brendan's job isn't to start from day one. It's to consult on what they've found. Take whatever information that you've gotten and then see what you like, see what you don't like. And then you go back to the gatekeepers, the owners, the hunters in London or somebody that owns a junior B team and say,

you know, here are some maybe thoughts and recommendations. I do have some ideas. Well, I mean, the thing is, though, to your credibility point, shanny walks into a room and starts talking about hockey. There's not a lot of people that aren't going to listen to every single word that he says.

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What makes it a sucker? The sucker punch on the surface is someone that's not expecting something. You would go as far as to call them a sucker. Right? And they got punched. So both

situations were both all four players were involved. involved in a skirmish or of some capacity of a physical altercation, albeit. And we heard from Kevin B.XA saying, I think you mentioned I'd never do that, you know. And then probably you remember maybe one or two things over his career where it's like, it was pretty close maybe. But your thoughts, first of all, for Stanley and Kachuk, let's start there.

well i mean it's it's a bad play by stanley my god like you can't it was clear to to me that kachuk wasn't in a fight with him so you don't just get to bare knuckle a guy on on the jaw yeah however i mean he he does see stanley gloves off grabbing him yeah you try to shove him in your bench right what would he mean well brady brady brady was in a physical altercation and you actually attempted to push him in your bench right So there's not like this like, I can't believe he did that to me. It's like you're kind of in a thing. But yeah, you get suspended.

I get a game suspension. I'm okay with that. Me too. Right? The part that I'm... I think Marchand absolutely bearing Mike or was it Mike Matheson? No, Mike Madison isn't his name. Mike Mathes is somebody else.

Matheson on, is it Mike Manson? Yeah, it was Mattes. Yeah. With a little bit of a flying elbow to the brain. Yeah. I think that's way more dangerous than the sucker punch. No, no, no, no. Sucker punch is extremely dangerous.

It depends on where you landed. You can break a jaw so easily, Sammy, on a sucker punch. You can't do that to an unsuspecting guy with his head exposed. I'm just saying that... I just think it's inconsistency from the player. Don't shrug off a sucker punch. Well, I don't... I think you're interested in ringing up Marchand,

I think you're dismissing a pretty dangerous violent act here. Okay. You can follow through in your... I don't, I think that that Kachuk Brady has done that where he gets to jump on guys and he's fights guys and Logan Stanley was in already engaged with him and him saying that he didn't think it was coming or whatever. So this is, this is the gray area. I think that. This is the gray area. He was close to being eligible to be punched in my opinion.

And I'm, I believe in that as well. So you can, you can look at it and say, okay, hold on for a second. Okay, you know, and again, we're not pretty. to all the information here on on what goes on either what's been done or what's been said but my my belief is that you know if you speared me in the nuts all right let's just say i'm telling you which happens a lot okay and we're we get engaged in some capacity and you decide now to not look at me does that like put a bubble over you does that make you untouchable because if you just did that to me

and I feel like you got a cheap shot on me well then I'm sorry all bets are off it's coming and if you choose to look away to think that you're ineligible now for anything coming your way from me you are sadly mistaken I would not turn my back on you

I will say this it's the between whistle version of guys who get the puck in the corner see someone come and hit them and turn their back to the play say all you see my numbers you can't hit me now can't hit me because you see my numbers and then some guys just hit you in the numbers that happens sometimes and you're on the hook a little bit for putting yourself in a bad spot my point is it i don't think i'm not upset with him getting a game suspension that's

fine but in terms of what's dangerous and like player safety for him to get suspended and marchand to not get a hearing i think it's i think it just underlines the complete inconsistency with Department of Player Safety and that they are really just spitting a wheel. I don't understand any of the decisions they make. That's what it is. And they're supposed to protect the players and I'm supposed to be a fan.

There has been other altercations that kind of have mirrored that. And the league has turned around and said, you're at fault for not paying attention. So it can be confusing to some. Protect your stars a little bit. Do you think if it's Chuck on Stanley? Is it different?

If Brady's throwing that punch in Logan's. there's not a lot of people too sad to see a kachuk get hit like that i tweeted of that video i just tweeted that must have felt great um yeah i mean like everyone hates kachuk he's probably been running his mouth the whole game he just punched him i think brady's very lucky he didn't get seriously hurt there oh he is lucky absolutely that could have and at the end of the day at the end of the day so he gets suspended one day he's not even in your conference you're never going to see him again doesn't help your team any one game five games ten games, if you're eating out of a straw for the next four weeks, what do

you pair? There is something with suspensions where it should be against the team when you play them next or something, you know? It's like, doesn't help us if Stanley doesn't play against the next team they play. And Stanley comes in with a reputation. Don't ever take your eye off a guy like that.

Ever. Agree. We got lots to get to. Luke Hughes. I want to do Luke Hughes. I want to do Luke Hughes because I mean, you don't want to see a young guy like that in a position where your hometown's just ripping on you here.

I like the fact that everybody defended them as they should. We have a great Jake Allen clip. Let's hear it. He shot in his net twice. I'm a goalie. I'm the one that always gets the bad end of the stick. When I make mistakes, I've made so many mistakes to count.

I've had fans, boomie. I've had this and that, which, listen, I don't think he deserves. He's a kid that made two mistakes in a hockey game. whoever doesn't make mistakes I'd love to meet you you know but you know it's a tough situation for him

in a game like that probably something he's never felt before um listen he was not trying to do that he's a great kid that's you know playing a game that's made of mistakes and you know

I just want to pat him on the back and get back to it on Tuesday here um you know it's I was really hoping he's going to get a goal for his own sake just for a confidence win or loss just to, you know, get him back in the right spirits. But he's a mature kid, and he'll handle well.

It's pretty insane to boo the kid. Like, he's been a great player, young kid, bright star for the team. He's been struggling this year. Yeah, he's a great player. You still don't boo him because he did a whoopsie. I think it's just this perfect storm that. They wish he was Quinn. That's it.

Yeah. That's it. That they, that I, my theory is that, the team's not doing well and you're not the you're not the hues we want on the blue line really and I think they're frustrated

I think they honestly thought maybe they were going to get Quinn they didn't get them and they're taking it out on Luke I thought I saw something on Twitter day maybe Elliot mentioned like if I were Bill Garron I'd be you know just checking in on what's going on there or something if Luke Hughes is like I want out

in your Minnesota. I feel like all three of them are going to play for the wild. But I got to say, I love Jake Allen. Everything I hear, whenever I hear him talk, he's great when he does the stuff with us. I mean, that's a veteran leader standing up for your player and saying that stuff. Like, that's what you want in a teammate.

We got two other clips. One is Jason Robertson about the snubs and the other is Chevy about the Jets. Yeah, let's go Jets talk a little bit because Shepald Dayoff met the media today. I think... Did you have answers? No.

Let's play the... But it's... Okay, play it. Play it. Again, we're at the halfway point, and your record is your record, and all you can do is control what's in front of you. And, you know, again, adversity is part of this game.

It's part of life. The art in it is how you handle it. And I think that's the thing. You can choose, you know, any different direction. But, you know, when I woke up this morning, morning, you know, for me, the choice is put your head down and, you know, find a way to keep pushing this team to get better. And I think everybody has to adopt that mentality.

So that's good. That's good. The verbal version of the hang in there baby cat. It's poster. You know, it's, I just don't want to be accused of hiding. Yeah. Press conference. That was absolutely nothing.

That was the happy Gilmore, or sorry, the Billy, Madison answer. And shout out to J's signing a cool Japanese player doesn't strike out. Kazuma Okamoto doesn't strike out will fit right in. Isaiah Kiner Folef is old number 7. Oh, I'll really miss him. Mixing a slide, Isaiah.

Oh, he was great for them. Our thanks to Gary Galley, Hockey Night in Canada and Sportsnet. We lost Bob Pulford as well. Hockey Hall of Famer. Our condolences to the Poulford family. Agreed. Wonderful career, player, great coach general manager executive thanks for joining us everybody