Real Kyper & Bourne - Tkachuk Brothers Unite in Sunrise + Darren Raddysh!

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee start the week by reacting to the Ottawa Senators' decision to trade Brady Tkachuk to the Florida Panthers. They share their thoughts on the Senators' return, the trend of American players pushing away from Canadian teams, and the pressure on Steve Staios to make another big move. Then, the newest Maple Leafs defenceman, Darren Raddysh (14:45), joins the show to discuss his decision to sign long-term in Toronto and his ties to the city. Later, Nick, Justin and Sam react to the Hockey Hall of Fame's class of 2026, share their thoughts on Raddysh's pricy contract, and break down the rumours around Sergei Bobrovsky, Connor Hellebuyck, Matthew Knies, and Darnell Nurse. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

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like two minutes on this stuff. And we can't afford to burn... You haven't burned a minute yet. Any more time because the news is fast and furious. Yeah. And of course, Sammy pulled us off the air on Thursday and Friday. I know. We're like, let us on.

We have... Let us on, Sammy. And he was like, guys, no way. No, we got a Blue Jane game. I know. No, no, we got a Blue Jay game. I'm like, Sammy. That is how I talk.

Painful. That is how I talk. This hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to by Bet36. Five, Nick Kiprios, Justin Boren, Sammy McKee, Derek Brandeo, Jake the Snake Shultz, and Chris Gallagher. We're now down to the fastest 58 and a half minutes here. Okay, boys, listen, I don't know where to begin, but we do know that Darren Radich, of course, the newest member of the Toronto Maple Leafs will join us in about 15 minutes. Very cool, yeah. So we'll get a couple of thoughts out of him.

In the meantime, the Leafs remain busy on. on the phones and we'll get into that as well. But the trade that I think everybody anticipated, correct me if I'm wrong, they anticipated a potential Brady Kachuk trade. We just didn't know it would come this early. Is that fair to say? Totally. I mean, every conversation we've had about potential big names that could potentially go

somewhere has involved the sentence, you know, could be Matthews, could be Brady, was one of the names. and sure enough, the Brady thing happened. I would say it happened fairly quietly without much conjecture around it. It just sort of happened. There was no like, oh, this talk is heating up. It happened.

The only thing that makes me think that some people really knew what was happening for a long time, our friend Doug McLean. Oh, May 19th, one month and three days ago. I think earlier than that, I think May 15th or 16th. Okay. No, no, don't give him love because his head will just explode.

I already put it on on Twitter. He retweeted it. follow me, by the way, but he did retweet it. He doesn't follow it. He doesn't follow me. That's rude. Okay. Do you want to hear it? This is a month ago, over a month ago, Mac on our show.

One final thing. Yeah. Think about this. Everybody's trying to get in the top 10. Florida has the ninth pick in the draft. Okay. Okay. Where is Brady Kachuk going to want to go?

Think about this. The ninth pick of the draft, the top 10 guys. Yeah. belongs to Florida. To Florida. Florida will never have another top 10 pick for two or three years. This is the time when you've got to move on Florida. You pick up a couple of quality players.

You pick up the ninth pick. And you know Brady wants to go to Florida. You know he's going to probably go there within it two years. Two years is the magic number. I heard you guys talking about that. The two playoff series. I wouldn't be surprised that Brady Kachuk is in Florida.

You've heard something. Look at that call. He heard something. So he's not telling us what he's heard. He's telling us what he knows? We had to switch around the saying? It's crazy that like the Florida Panthers had everything go wrong and finished with the ninth pick

and they turned that into Brady Kachuk. That's a pretty useful year. Four pieces in total, correct? Yes, four piece. Ninth pick this year? Yep. 25th. 25th this year?

Yeah. And then we jump to what? 209 first and 2027 second. Okay. I think the 2029 first is top 10 for day. Okay. Who wants to go first? You.

You. Okay. I believe the Ottawa senators got hosed. Whoa. What? Hosed. What are you talking about? Hosed.

Dude, three firsts for a. team that knew he only wanted to go to one place? Is this team thinking that they're contending for Stanley Cup? Florida? 100%. Oh, Ottawa. Ottawa?

I think, yeah, I think they want to be. I think they want... Okay, and when I say hosed, I'm talking about Ottawa. Okay, yeah. I don't think they got hosed at all. I think that's a decent return, even a good return. Okay. Is this a team that thinks that they're ready to compete for a Stanley Cup?

I'm unclear on that. Maybe, yes-ish. They think they're a play? team? Yes. Okay. Yeah, they want to be a contender. They lost their most valuable asset in his prime.

And when he's on, he's five tool guy, right? Skate, hit, fight, score, everything in his prime. We take him out of the lineup. Yep. And we put nothing back in. Yes. Zero. yet feathers okay not even a warm body yeah how are they're worse they're I mean first off feathers

also got zero zero zero in the postseason so that that they're already they're breaking even you can tell me all you want that he's not a good player I'm not I don't mean that for a second but that's not my implication but you have a stinky playoff but you but Kip they're not done they're not saying we're just going to draft these players and carry on. Like, I'm sure they intend to flip these assets versus a body. What are you flipping?

The 9th and 25th. You know, they're already, you're hearing Jason Robertson, I know it's not going to be a Robertson because he won't resign there. But like, I think they want to do something with these assets. Can you get McTavish? Hmm.

Jason McTavish? I mean, that doesn't feel very good. But what do you, what do you think? the ninth pick has teeth. It's got value. When you start jumping into the bottom half of a first round, then we're talking about serviceable players that can play... Mackie Saniskevich.

Thank you. Thank you. That's what you're looking at with that pick. At nine. No, not a nine. At 25. At 25. Okay.

Okay. Yep. So, all right, go get your San Francisco. go get whatever you want. You'll get a third line winger. Okay. Now you go to the 2029 first rounder. 2029.

The kid is just getting in from recess right now. Okay? He is. Yeah, okay. Murray? Yeah. If he develops, he'll be ready for the Ottawa senators in 233.

Yeah. That's useless to me. Yeah. Absolutely useless. It's useful in the way it was useful in acquiring Brady. Here's another thing we can do for you while we're sweetening the pot. That'll be great for the next GM. Okay?

But not Staeos. That does nothing for Steyos. I think the age of that roster, he has to know that they can't just go into next year and be like, Everyone, you know, the improvements coming from inside the room. No, it isn't. I can't believe they didn't get a roster player back. But they're going to. Please.

They're going to. They have to. Of course they have to, and they're going to try. But it won't even come close to a Brady Kachuk, is my point. Yeah, Brady Kachuk was a point-per-game regular season guy. It stings. Near 40-goal guy a couple seasons. It stings.

This sucks for Ottawa Senator fans. this trade. It is horrific. It stinks for a ton of reasons, yeah. It's just you put you in the corner and you buckled. Well, I think the question is, I think the corner is the question. Like, I mean, he had,

Staeos was painted into a corner by his captain that went out in the media and assured everybody that, you know, he's sick of the conversation about this very thing potentially happening. And then he has to go out there and make a trade with what? Was it four teams that he gave them that he would potentially go to? Well, yeah, but it sounds like he was going to Florida.

I mean, it's the stupid regular ones that we all have to deal with now. Those, I'll take offers in, but we all know. Doug McLean was right. Yeah, I'm only going to Florida. Wanted to go to Florida. Right?

So. I would have made him play again this year. I would have taken them for another year. You know, you sure. And then traded them in the last year. No, you wouldn't have. Because all this noise already, there was noise. around Kacham this year.

You're going to drag your whole organization through that. What I'm not doing is giving them away and getting nothing back. They got two first rounders this year too. Those are valuable pieces. Listen, they could have had the first rounder. They could have had the ninth overall pick and make them send me back something. They asked for Lendell. So you went from, okay, we can't get Lundell.

Then we'll take your 20-29 first rounder. That's where you went. I don't know. I mean, if they went to the 25th overall pick, that's different than 2029 first. I don't know. But like, Kip, we saw. Go get for a Hage.

Go get somebody. Go get somebody that can help. These guys. Top six, top four forward. I just think these guys with protection, you get nothing back. Florida's got you over a barrel. Why in the world would Bill Zito be like,

okay, I'll give up, Lundell. or give up Carter for Hagee, when he just doesn't have to. The players has total control, and he's only going there to go play with his brother. Like, it's, I agree. This thinks for the sentence fan who got a good owner who was willing to pay. And I don't want to, and I don't want to do this, because this isn't really what I am. But I actually am sick for sentence fans today because I know what they're going. Sammy, think bigger.

Be sick for Canadian teams. No, I'm telling you right now, it's no good. It's no good. It's a bad look. for the league, this stuff that's going on. I agree, bud. Bad look. We've turned into the NBA.

Yeah. I know that's the phrase that pays these days. The small little group get together and they just orchestrate whatever they want now. I think this is going to flop. That's what I think. I think all these players who want to go to the currently successful teams, everyone's all short-sighted. They're like, those teams win.

Oh, and they hear about how it's warm and it's tax-free. They go there. The rosters are already 30-plus, and they're so. stripping assets, they'll go all their first and everything. I think there's players that are going to be really frustrated on some losing teams within a few years that are in markets where the fans don't care and go, how do I get to Chicago and playing in front of 22,000 people? How do I play in Madison Square Garden?

I don't think this is the new way. I think this is the new bad and people are dumb. Players are dumb. That's what I think. But they know they have power. They do. And they know they have leverage and it's up against. Yeah, where they move to is May change.

You're going to lose me. You're going to lose me. me for nothing. Yeah. Right? No, but I, like, it's impossible to sit here and say this on Toronto radio without sounding like sour grapes. So I'm just going to say it.

Like, this, you know, what's been created in Florida and Vegas with these tax-free places with no pressure, it's impossible for anybody else to compete. Like, they just, every American guy, every guy, not even Americans, Canadians, Mariner wanted to go. All these guys just want. want to go there to their insulated little bubble where they have beer league pressure and they just get to play with their friends and golf and they don't have to worry about anything. I don't think it's going to play out like that.

I do. I don't. It's already playing out like this, J.B. I know it is. That's currently what is happening. And I just think that, you know, Major League Baseball has had no salary cap forever. And I understand the Dodgers have gone over the top and won the last couple years. But over the last 20 years, teams from all over Major League Baseball have won.

You know, like it's not like it's just a few teams that people want to go to are going to be good forever. I don't think that's the case. Well, in a few minutes, we're going to welcome in Darren Radish, who has gone from that Florida scene that Sammy. Up here to the tax haven of Toronto, up here to the palm trees, big city. A little bit more of attention. A couple extra shekels might help that tax. Few eyeballs. It'd be interesting to hear his take on all of this as well.

but yeah, there's a tremendous amount of pressure on Steve Stahos now, to your point to go out there, flip it, and get something back that can help us now. This becomes Carolina's rant and didn't want to stay. What do you do in your next trade? Can I ask you, like, all these images that are coming out now of that podcast where Brady's sitting in a room with Keith and Matthew covered in Florida Panthers gear talking about when he's,

Like, is there not? Well, making fun of the toughness of the senator's goalie. Is there not a tampering situation here? Like, can we not have the conversation? Like, does the league not look into that? No. How can there not be anything? There's no chance the Leafs could pin tampering on it.

Or the league could pin tampering on this. I mean, I don't think they can because what he, there was no express. Matthew, you'd ever said on any of those podcasts like, you have to come to Florida, leave Ottawa. Like, I know, man. It's just a little hints and subtleties that you can pretend you didn't say where all of us know you said it. We're all very aware that it was tampering.

It's just greasy. You can't pin it though. It was tampering. It really gritty. It rubs me the wrong way. Yeah. And a lot of people. Yeah.

And a lot of people. Let me ask. Okay. All right. We got Darren Radish on the line right now. The newest Toronto Maple Leaf. Darren, thanks for joining us. How are you?

I'm doing great. How are you guys? We're good. So tell us about your last, what, you know, 48 hours or so in terms of, you know, the decision on signing a long-term deal with the Leafs, at what point did you feel like, you know, something that you may be envisioned or fantasized became reality? Yeah, there was always some talk, you know, here and there

through the end of the season. And I think kind of on Thursday, it kind of hit me and came together. And, yeah, I'm really excited to be joining the Leafs and excited for what's to come. Yeah, and I know the market is. is really excited to have you here. You know, how much do, in terms of friends and family, what is your life like here? Is this where you spend your off seasons?

Tell us about your ties to the area. Yeah, I grew up in Georgetown until I was about 12 years old, moved to Caled in. And that's kind of where I've spent my summers every offseason. And, yeah, you know, that's kind of what my family has been. And, yeah, I haven't done too much. downtown yet with all that. But yeah, mostly outside of city

and excited to get down there and to meet everyone and get it all going. Darren, it's been quite a journey in your professional career challenged, of course, to maintain a spot in your 20s. And now you had a breakout season, last season with Tampa Bay.

What were the challenges, you know, in the last 10 years that eventually led you to having this amazing season? and this extraordinary contract of $68 million? I think it's, you know, the perseverance. You know, you're not handed anything and, you know, you always have to work for whatever you're doing. And I think that's, you know, kind of been my mindset.

That's kind of our whole family's mindset. And it's instilled from my grandmother. She says, oh, it's all you can do. And, you know, just make sure you're working hard doing the right things. And that's kind of what I've, you know, based my whole career on. And yeah, if you're doing those things, you know, good things will happen. And, you know, I was fortunate to get an opportunity last year to, you know, to play in the first power play and play a lot of minutes.

And, you know, just thankful for that opportunity. You know, certainly when you would have thought about coming up here, you would have looked at the roster some. Have you had, you know, any impressions from playing against this Toronto Maple Leafs team of what they have here? Or did they have to do a lot of convincing to get you to sign on? No, not a lot of convincing. You know, they're a great hockey team.

I know the last couple of years, we've always struggled against them. And, you know, they got a lot of good pieces. And like I said, I'm just excited to be joining them and trying to help them win and trying to, you know, just trying to get back to where they want to be. Have you had a chance, Darren, to meet some of your teammates. Are you friends with anyone on the roster already? Or is this something that will happen throughout the summer

and then obviously lead you into training camp. Yeah, some guys have reached out already. And, you know, not too many close friends on the team, but definitely guys I've played against in junior and throughout our careers. And, you know, even a few guys through my brother as well. So, yeah, you know, a lot of great guys on this team. And like I said, just looking forward to meeting everyone

and, you know, getting the season going. Well, welcome to Toronto. We wish you the best. Thanks for joining us, Darren. No problem. Thank you, much for having us. Yeah, thanks a lot. Appreciate your time.

Darren Radish, the newest member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Didn't even mention that off the top. Well, we mentioned it. We did. Yeah, we did get that in. Yeah. So, no, okay. Do you want to, do you have any more Brady before we go to this?

Before we go full leaves here? No, I'm okay. Yeah? I'm all right. Okay, no, no, one more. Okay, I knew you'd have one. Yeah, we're going to get back to Darren. Yeah, we're going to get to Radish in a second.

Okay. All right. Awesome deal. Ottawa just handed back, not only, Brady Kachuk, but their playoff spot. Well, that's what you think. They said, hey, we were in playoffs now here.

You go take it back. That's quite a way to look at it. Yeah. Did they not, like, put, their finishing touches on making sure that we all believe that they're going back to the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, back to the playoffs is an understatement.

Who can look at that roster and not think there. Without Brady Kachuk, I thought they were going to be going back to the playoffs. Fair enough. You got my point. who's coming out Ottawa it would be they yeah I mean were they the last to sneak in I mean you don't

don't take this the wrong way I love the city you know but you can convince me a couple different places Buffalo you could convince me on God almighty these had great seasons I know it's a competitive where we were talking about them now this is their time

they've waited five seven years they're going to lose talk and Byram and you know like I'm telling you It's in a competitive division. The Canadians shot the lights out and got unbelievable goal tending. Like anything could happen in the Atlantic next year. You could convince me every team. So you think Ottawa and Buffalo are in jeopardy now of missing the playoffs?

I think any. Tampa? Yeah, Tampa, yeah. Can I get the golden of Darren Radish now? Who are they adding? What's there? I don't know. Did Darren Radish and the thought of,

that hurts them. Of drafting McKenna now slide the league. Leafs ahead of Ottawa. I think leases still be in tough, man. And I don't even think the leaps are half done. Yeah, who knows what their roster is even going to look like? I don't think they're half done. By the way, as you guys were on the phone with Darren Radish there,

the Hockey Hall of Fame announced its class. The Kachuk. Keith's in it. Yeah, of course. Oh, man. What a week. That was part of the trade. You guys didn't know that?

No, I didn't know that. I didn't know. I didn't know that. Florida gets... This is good. Finally, we'll get the chance to get some Kachukes on a microphone. Finally, this is great.

That's going to be a hell of a speech. Are they going to let him in the country to go do his speech at the Hockeyole Bay? Patrice Berserang, Kerry Price, Pecorine, Keith Kichuk, Cindy Curley, and Brian Burke. Berkey got in.

Oh, Brian Burke. Congratulations. Burkey. Yeah. Fantastic. There you go. There you go. Long career for Brian Burke.

And very high. Very high. happy for him. Yeah, he was awesome. The man that traded for me to Hartford. That's why he got in. That's why he got in. He's in because of the Kip deal.

Yeah, exactly. So I guess we haven't talked about radish, right? Like we didn't, we were off on Friday. Yeah. So the other thing that we also don't have to play here, which we should have clipped, was you in like November or whatever being like, radish to the leaves is done. Book it.

You literally said the words book it. You're going to read the, going to read the. Okay. If we're going to give Doug McLean all this. This was, oh my, my phone's not working well here. It's like when my mom wants to show me a picture. That's very much what's happening. Oh, what's happened now?

Here we go. What will happen is that you go out, you move Morgan Riley, and then you sign Rattuck from Tampa Bay. Kiprio said on Real Kippermborn on February 4th. As far as I'm concerned, it's already done. It's already done. Oh, come on, Toronto boy, he's got a bomb of a shot. You haven't had that in years.

It's done. February 4th. It's that pre-Olympics? It's, okay, there was nowhere. There's no team that needed him more than the Leafs. And they were going to get him at whatever cost. And clearly, we all know that they overpaid. Yeah, I mean, to me, part of the asset you pay when you sign a free agent is a little couple more bucks.

Yeah, but it's like probably three million more than three and a half more than maybe Tampa. Her year? Oh, then Tampa. Then wanted to. Tampa then wasn't willing to be serious. Yes. Right? They had him at a certain price point and they let him go.

What really surprised me, again, when we watch the way Vegas behaves with Bruce Cassidy is the fact that, for me, the biggest surprise was Tampa didn't say, okay, you want him that badly? I want a second or third. Yeah. Not a fifth. A fifth. That wasn't pit. What are you doing, Tampa Bay? You're a division rival, and you give them the chance to bring the AV down on the eighth year,

and you only take a fifth? My thought on that is he was coming to Toronto regardless. That's great. And they knew it. But if it's a seven-year deal, now you've got to pay him $10 million, which hurts the Leafs cap a lot more. You'd rather the Leafs be up against the cap more than you have a fifth rounder probably. So you mentioned the AAV went down because of the extra year? Yes.

What do you think he would have gotten if he got to July 1st? From the leaves? Or just in general. Like would somebody have offered? Nobody was going to touch what the Leafs offered him. He's not here because he really wanted to be a Toronto Maple Leaf. He's here because he's 68 million. You cannot turn down $68 million.

Okay. That is reason number one. Reason number two may be, yeah, I want to be a Toronto Maple Leafs. But no one was going 68 large. You know, this is the sort of thing you do when you're trying to be serious. Like I think the Minnesota Wild looks at the Caprizov thing and said, you can either give him $17 million, you can not have them. And it's like, we want to have them.

So that's the raddish thing where it's like. Yeah, but he's not he's not Caprizo. He's not world class. He's got a really good shot. It's a really good shot. Yeah. Right? But he's not a number one defenseman.

No, and make no misconceptions. I mean, first of, he's not going to be paid like one over eight years. That's fair. Four years from now, top pair guys not making eight. That's fair. You know, I think it's a, to your point, it was such an obviously perfect fit. I said it in February. I would have done the same thing.

For sure, you just need him. And what is really crystal clear here is that the Leafs have to make the playoffs next year. No, no. Not close. They have to make the playoffs. Give me the or on that. Or this is a disaster of epic proportion. What's this?

The signing? No, no. Missing the playoffs. Yeah. Is it a disaster for the Leafs? It's not an option. Yeah. Disaster means what?

Means like Boston's gone? Yeah. Okay. Austin's gone. Yes. And then you go get your fourth picks and you wait five years for them to develop. Or you use them. Oh, for God's sake.

There's no using. There's no magic. Hey, we got four picks. I'm going to get a great player. Yeah, yeah. Where could you go get someone? Like, I don't know. Is Dylan Larkin available?

No, he's not. Well, not for the lease. He's not. But when you talk about Brady Kachuk going out and you want to attract another $10 million player, they ain't going to Ottawa. They're not signing as UFAs, but I don't think they have to include someone from playing there.

They've got either no moves or limited. no moves and Ottawa isn't on their list. Sure. You cannot, you don't get the same apples to apples with the rest of the leagues. It's a much tougher pool deficient. It's very tough. For sure.

Even if you have the picks, you don't know. I look at Toronto is different. You don't know who wants to go there. Yeah. So it's really difficult. There's a better chance that Stales will go get three, three million dollar players than one $10 million player. Yeah, it's brutal though.

Like you can't turn yourself. into Seattle. That's all you're doing. You can't go get. That's the challenge. Yeah, you can't go be Seattle. That's the challenge. So for the Leafs, I'm just saying that if you take a look at Kachuk, right? It should give you a feel on, you know, if you're at a point where Austin bails on you by the trade deadline or next summer, you know, it's a challenge to fill those. I do think that part of me is like if you do it sooner than later, like if there were four firsts out there for Austin, you know, and you look at the age of some of the young core guys you'd have and now with the McKenna thing, it would change things. So you said if they miss playoffs, it's a disaster, you'll lose Austin. I think you're looking at that scenario in January. If you're out of the playoffs in January, you're suddenly going, you can offer two playoff runs with this guy. I think the first four months of the season is crucial. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I just, everybody just seems to be convinced the exact same things to happen. with Brady and listen, I'm not going to sit here and I know what I'll tell you.

I won't be putting anything in writing, making fun of Brady Kachukh leaving Ottawa because it definitely feels extremely possible here. But like, I don't know, you don't think the least could make the playoffs I'm sure? Oh, yeah. I do. Yeah, I do. I think they're going to be right there in the thick of things with the rest of the three or four teams, Detroit, Buffalo, Ottawa.

They should be in the mix. They're going to sign Bob? They should. What? They should be in the mix. Okay, I thought that was for my Bob thing. Are they going to sign Bobrovsky? Do we have more leave stuff?

Or should we do, we should game time, go to break and then do more leave stuff on the other side? All right. Or do we other stuff too? Oh, I don't know, man. Do you have any? Jammed up. Yeah, okay, okay, let's do it.

There's sizzle in the grill right now. It's do game time. It's game time. It's set by Bet365. An official partner of the NHL must have a team plus. I'm Tara only. Please play responsibly. Let's just look at the J's.

J's got rained out yesterday. They didn't lose on a rain out. I will say electric Saturday. afternoon win for the Toronto Blue Jays at Wrigley Field, down 5-0, nothing, came back. Bombs. Kaz Okamoto hits a three-run, go-ahead, bomb. Louis Varland's six-out, save. Really stressful baseball game.

Anyways, back at home tonight, taking on the Houston Astros, Dylan ceased on the bump. Tonight, the Toronto Blue Jays' favorites, minus 110 on the money line. Houston has Hunter Brown, goes, a really good pitcher, plus 110 on the money line there. So, yeah, that's what's going on there.

I was quickly going to pull up the, the hockey stuff here. Did you guys watch the U.S. Open this weekend? Sure did. I did. And we were in a... What do we call it? The Miller Pool.

Yeah, Miller's majors. What's up to... What did you guys do? Were we won two for a while? Yeah, we came out of the gates leading this thing together. And I had it finished. I didn't finish in the moment.

And then we ended up with feathers. I didn't. Oh, that's too bad. But that is. Just like the... Windham blew it for me and several other people. Okay. Now was game time.

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All right. Okay. At the break, we mentioned the thought of Sergey Bobrovsky being out there. I had written on a buzz last week on Sportsnet.com. By the way, my trade, my latest trade board is out right now on Sportsnet.com. Take a look at it when you get a chance.

And there. Bobrovsky. He's in a position. I didn't have him on my trade board because he's pending UFA. Certainly his rights could be traded at any moment now. I'm not sure how surprised we will be. Considering that his contract demands for out of Florida remain really high to the point where I think he forgets he's 37 years of age.

Yeah. And may even forget that he had the worst season. 77. The worst season of his career. Yeah. So tell me, Sammy, from your perspective, and then we'll go to you, J.B., first and foremost, Sammy.

Bobroski, to the Leafs. Does that excite you and your friends? I'm treading lightly on this one. I listen to it. It does excite some of my friends, for sure, but some of my friends are dumb. I've seen some things that excite these guys. I think great.

No, but like, listen, I am done as well, and it does, there's part of me. Listen, it all just goes back to Eddie the Eagle. That's what it is. It's just like the older goalie, supposedly done, cup winner. That's like, oh, the twilight of his career. It's not going to work. He comes in. He's great at the end of his career.

That's a comparison everybody's making. That does entice me, but I don't think Eddie the Eagles going to get. Did he not, did he not do well here? He was amazing. That's my comparison, is that he was good in Dallas. and Kujo left and he came in and he was fantastic. Yeah, he was good. But I don't think he was going to get, I don't know,

a massive contract that he's getting paid. I don't know. He got at the time a really good contract to come. For sure, but I don't think it's a long-term one like Bob is maybe looking at. No interest. I'm out. And for that reason, I am out. Zero interest.

37 years old, terrible season last year. You know, what sort of track record is there? What history of goalies being awesome in years, 38, 3940. There are a few. Tim Thomas comes to mind. The list, I don't know how many names are on it. But I'm just skeptical.

I'm just skeptical that this guy is going to be better than Anthony Stolars and Actyamov or whatever other plan they have. I'm worried about the term they're talking about. It's already like, yeah, the TANF term was long, but

they'll figure out what to do with that. The Rattish term is long, but they'll figure out what to do with that. You know, like, we're doing this an awful lot. And eventually, you're, the problems pile up. It was a two year contract for Eddie Belfour, by the way. And just want to remind everyone. 13.5 million dollars. Stanley Cup winning goalies were Freddie Anderson and Brandon Boosie. Just reminding everyone. Yeah. There are other ways to do it. Then six year gambles on. What do you think? Yeah. I'm with J.B. It'd be a pass for me as well. And I appreciate that he's in amazing shape and he takes care of himself.

but what you cannot control is just that mother nature thing that eventually the reflexes start slowing down. All their time is undefeated. The other one too, when I talk to some of my ex-teamates, like even a Mike Richter, the eyesight goes too. That's 35 plus 37. You know, there's got readers on under the specs. It's a font on the jump-

Motron bigger? It's just, there's no amount of doing a treadmill or lifting weights that could help a goalie. And can I just say the most cynical thing ever? Yeah, do it. Did you know that Bob was this guy who took great care of himself prior to him needing a new UFA contract? Yeah. Yeah. I did.

Oh, no, no. He's a specimen. Yeah. I saw like three interviews on like, oh, he's up. He works for three hours before breakfast. And I was like, remember Reese in the show and he's like, he does it differently than anything. Like he's always kind of been like. That felt like an agent pushing some info out.

Here's what I'll say about him though. Plays. Place. Place. That's great. Played bad last year, but plays. Leaves have multiple goals who don't play. Would you be okay with a two-year deal?

Yes. And it wouldn't matter at eight or nine million dollars. Yes. Yes. You'd be okay? Yes. Yeah. Totally.

But it won't be a two-year deal. I mean, Eddie before signed a two-year contract at 37 years old on the Toronto Maple Leafs. I'm in. Just do it again. Short term. I guess I've heard this like, you want six years thing and that's, maybe that's their camp setting the parameter.

I'm out on that. No, out on that. But it's, he wants the Brad Marchand deal. You want to bring the AAV down. Right. Then we need six or seven years.

It's also funny. And then I'll take the six million. Who gets to where number 72? Oh, geez, is that a thing? But can I? Yeah. That's right.

Oh, no. Can't sign him for that reason alone. You can't have any conflicts in the room like that. Inspired by his favorite player, Jonathan Drew N. That's a bizarre one. Yeah. Sorry. It does.

It does lend to the Leafs focus clearly on the crease. And, you know, I'm the first one to raise my hand when I said, this is the deepest position they have. And they have options to trade somebody. We know that's Joseph Wall now, but it doesn't sound like they're happy with what they have as is. Like they might trade both guys, wool and Stolars, and then just UFA signs some goal. I don't think anybody wants Stolars. No. I think Solars is going to be here.

I like Stolars. I just think. And that's not to say he's still not a good goalie and he's incredibly talented. But I just don't see anybody having faith in his. ability to stay healthy is clear as that is. So, I mean, you're a lot if happier when he's maybe going to play 30 games with Sergei Barowski as a starting goal as opposed to playing 50 games as a starting goal. Again, he's just starting, I think, a $16 million contract.

Is he not? He hasn't started it yet. At three and a half, Sammy, what is the A.A.V? I think it's, isn't it four? Three and a half. Okay. So, I don't know, are they comfortable with Bob making eight, maybe on a short-term deal? He makes $3.75.

He's out $11 or $12 million to your goalies. And then you leave Actimov to cook again with the Marley's? Yeah, I don't know. I'm ready to put that kid as in a backup roll. I'd like to just have them up and see how it goes. Like, if you start with Stolar's and Actimov and let's see who's healthy, you know, come November. I'm better on that. And then going to win the playoffs, you're like, we're going to let this kid go right in.

Sammy, I'd rather, I'd rather, I'd rather, I'd rather, I'd rather address it finding out in the first five or ten games and moving forward than making an eight or ten million dollar mistake backwards. Fair. Can't disagree with that logic. But I think, I think going into the year, depending on Anthony Stollars and Apple is a horrifying line. Thus the Bebrowski talk. Yes. The Hildaby's thing is funny, right? Like, Hildaby was the dude.

Like, they literally would call him up because they, like, it felt like he was the guy and he kept playing well. And then, well, they got a couple options. Let's just see how these guys play before you do anything that costs $20 million. The top, that's not really how it works. Like, I mean, you can't. Well, you have enough guys to see, though, like, okay, all three of them are bad. And you're hooped. Yeah, you're hooped anyway.

Yeah. I don't know. Looking at your draft board, or is your trade board here. Yeah. The top name on the list is a goalie, and it's a rather sexy one. Connor Hellebuck.

Yeah. He's certainly in a position now where... Let me guess. Florida. Vegas. He doesn't want him to go anywhere, right? How could Florida have any assets to give anyone? I don't know what it would take, Sammy,

to get. them now in Florida. That nine pick, as Doug McLean alluded to, was the real candy in a trade. They went with Brady Kuchuk. Yeah, like Florida doesn't have a first until 2030. Right? Which is fun.

There is a lot of smoke around. It may not happen. Really? This week may not happen this summer. But I believe that there's enough smoke that I'm prepared to leave them there. And I think it may happen sooner than later, but it may be later too. Would Vegas do it?

Right? The Carter Hart? Well, they'd have to bail on Carter Hart. Yeah, which, I mean, after the way it went, the finals, probably wouldn't be the worst situation. No, they need to just get rid of Aiden Hill and his six and a half. But who's going to take that? Well, let's think about goalies, teams that need goalies right now.

The Leafs? Right? Okay, let's put the Leafs on there. Let's put Detroit on there. Let's put Buffalo on there. Yeah, there's options. That's too big a number to take a risk on a guy. How much is he?

6.2 until 2033 or something. I'm just off off. Yeah, he's in, I'm sorry, I'm just playing. Actually, 6.25 until 231. Yeah. You know? I mean, still, it's a lot. Goosey, too.

Anyways. Second on the list I don't like. I don't like. I'm not happy, but see Matthew and I is number two. Now, is the order based on any sort of like this is likely to happen? No, there's no order. There's no order. There's no order.

And the general consensus is that give me an offer I can't refuse. And we'll try to flip this into two or three pieces. Yeah. And I, unless Chica gets what he wants, right, an overpayment, an overzealous team, he stays. Would you take the Brady-Kichuk deal for him? Absolutely not. I would neither.

Absolutely not. I need warm bodies. Yeah. I need, I mean, I need hot bodies. Yeah. There you go. There you go. I don't know why.

Yeah. It's like this is not the time to trade. The contract looks unbelievable right now the way these guys are getting paid. There's a few guys out there. I have Owen Tippett out there, and he's being talked about. But again, for Daniel Breyer to put him out there

at a very friendly number on a long-term deal, you got to get warm bodies back that can play. You know, one of the things that struck me after the Brady-Kichuk deal was like, there's all these big names of people who are rumored to potentially be moving knives, maybe one of them, but it was like Robert Thomas and Jordan Cairo, and it was

Dylan Larkin, Matthew's name had come up. I forget exactly the top of my head, but there's a lot of big names that are potentially going to move. How many teams are there that want those guys and have the assets to get them? It has to be a pretty small pool of guys. And after that, it's like, I don't, you know, there's all these names, who's going to pay for Jason Robertson?

Yeah. There's only so many teams that have the assets to acquire these guys. I don't think we're going to see. Well, it didn't take long for Jason Robertson. Robertson's to be linked to Ottawa the moment Brady Kachuk left. And it took also the same amount of time after that to hear he would not sign a long-term deal in Ottawa, don't do it. That's the thing about everybody.

He's like, oh, just offer sheet them. An offer sheet requires two sides. The guy has to be like, yes, I will agree to that offer sheet to sign there. I don't think he's going to do that in Ottawa. But think about what Ottawa would have to pay on an offer sheet that Dallas wouldn't match. Okay, don't get into that Sebastian Ojo, Montreal, Canadians scenario where... Get him a favor.

Bergevan, like, offer sheeted him at 8.5, which was the easiest match ever. You're going to, like, blow it out of the water for a team to go, we're out. And Ottawa would need to get to almost 14. Right, for Dallas to just let him go. For Dallas to go. But the compensation on that. It's just four first rounders. You're right.

Dallas doesn't want four first rounders. No. Not interested. Okay? Because they do nothing to help me win now. So that's the challenge, man. You need pieces to fit like a puzzle. So it's hard.

You can have cap space. You can have draft capital. But finding the guy that's right for you is really hard. I just wonder if maybe less people. are going to change teams than we think. Like, who has expressly asked for a trade? Dylan Larkin. Yeah.

Do we think that Halebuck has asked? Darnel is ready. Nurse has asked. Has Hellebuck asked for a trade explicitly? We have not heard officially or, you know, there's not even one report out there. Right. That is, but it's not saying that he didn't. Yeah.

Right. Not saying he doesn't, but like. But there's noise. But like those guys have to get moved because you can't go back to the locker room. It is what it is in that direction. But like a lot of these guys, they're on the curb with a huge price tag for someone to buy. And they're just looking for people to say that to overpaid your point. So.

Thoughts on Bobby McMahon at almost 6 mil? Good for him. Yeah. I mean, he scored 29 times last year, didn't he? I mean, it's kind of forward radish. Right. Totally is forward radish. Is it not forward radish?

Yeah. Guy who like kind of came up, had a career year at the best. possible time and cashed in on it. Has some raw tools that should last, you know, for a few years at least. I mean, he's just, I don't know if there's ever been more of a perfect Seattle Cracken player than Bobby McCann. We do expect. What was it?

McCann. McMahon? McMahon. There's a McCann there, too. We do expect Mike Babcock and DJ Smith to be announced. Oh, is DJ going to join him? Apparently there was a bidding war on DJ Smith. Hiller and Babs?

Hiller and Babs. And he picked Babs? Babs won. Crap. And, you know, some are suggesting even Babbs dipped into his own salary to make sure he got him. Oh, really? Maybe. Yeah.

Wow. Maybe. That's what they say about Babbs. You know, there was Elliot. You wanted him bad. Elliot said something on the fan hockey show today with Marquesian feuds that was like, it was, the conversation that Babs had with McDavid and Drysidal, he was also asking those guys about their part in them, falling short in Edmonton, you know,

kind of grilling them a little bit about it. Like it's a two-way conversation, do we want to do this? Turn around and go, I'm hiring you. You don't get to ask that question. You got Hockey DB? Check out the playoffs the last five years, pal. I won the Kahn Smythe trophy, and we lost. We need more. But this is another huge gamble of epic proportion.

And they just gave. We've hired nitro glycerid as our coach. And they just committed $41 million. to Jason Dickinson and Connor Murphy the past 24 hours. They're spending that cap space they saved on Connor. Yeah.

Wait to Babcock gets the hold of a few of those guys there. What do they have for assets? Can they get weird this off season? Can Edmonton do a bunch of stuff? No, not really. They got no first the next couple years, 2020. Where are they going to send Darnell Nurse?

I hear Kyle, Dubus. Oh, they're going to fire up the phone lines again. They're totally going to do that. You know, I saw someone joking like, yeah, Edmonton should trade with Pittsburgh. That's gone well. Thinking about like the jari trade. Like how do you trade with him again? They're ready to give Jari another chance.

In Edmonton? Yeah. Maybe Pittsburgh's going to take them that. Yeah. They're not ready to rate that off yet. Can I ask you a very important question? Yeah. What choice do they have?

Fair point. He's under contract for multiple seasons. Like, they kind of got to give him a run. Go with a Jack Campbell route. Oh, yeah, I guess. But they won't do that. So he's 31. Jari's 31.

All right, okay. A couple years left at 5'3. Give him a crack. There's a lot of decisions that can be made by November. Since the season starts in September this year. I don't know if you guys. Oh, my God, it's too much hockey. Did you, uh, CJ, um, oh, before we go.

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